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schestowitzThe vacation is ending here right about Wednesday, which means everyone goes back to usual work routines (I only work properly 3 times a week even though I am paid as full time). The coming week will therefore be easy and playful, it was sunny today, so  went running for a couple of hours, then went to jacuzzi and sauna. It was similar two days ago when I went cycling with a friend for half a day. It's not too cold here Jan 03 00:35
schestowitzfortunately.Jan 03 00:35
schestowitzwas also trying to stay calm when the g/f pulled the wrong plug outJan 03 01:04
schestowitzit's like she killed my puppyJan 03 01:04
schestowitzwe had an argument later, she's probably moving outJan 03 01:05
schestowitzpuppy=PCJan 03 01:06
schestowitz:-)Jan 03 01:07
qu1j0t3schestowitz: oh no!Jan 03 01:10
qu1j0t3schestowitz: that's terribleJan 03 01:10
XFaCEschestowitz: It's a shame, pruigro can actually have some constructive conversations with enderJan 03 01:10
XFaCEschestowitz: An arguement doesn't mean the realtionship has to endJan 03 01:11
XFaCEYou know what? Screw relationships, the world's overpopulated as it is.Jan 03 01:12
XFaCEqu1j0t3: And I'm pretty sure that's a similar view to Bill Gates, on eugenicsJan 03 01:13
qu1j0t3heheJan 03 01:13
schestowitzI am actually happy about itJan 03 01:15
schestowitzIt was her ides to move in to begin with. Either way, let's leave personal discussions aside.Jan 03 01:16
qu1j0t3schestowitz: :< okJan 03 01:18
XFaCEkJan 03 01:20
*XFaCE is now playing: Genesis - Supper's ReadyJan 03 01:20
XFaCEA flower!Jan 03 01:20
schestowitzrockin'Jan 03 01:22
schestowitz((ono)Jan 03 01:22
XFaCEqu1j0t3: Go listen to some Genesis so you know what's going onJan 03 01:26
qu1j0t3XFaCE: oJan 03 01:28
qu1j0t3XFaCE: okay, when I get home. url?Jan 03 01:28
MinceRsince ender insists on trolling, i don't think he belongs on the channelJan 03 06:32
schestowitzbrandon is trolling https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1126842Jan 03 10:32
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/1126842 "Not surprised that you love Bertrand Russell - Being one of the tools of the NWO."Jan 03 10:32
TechrightsSocial@: Jan 03 10:33
schestowitz"I've been thinking of trying BodhiLinux on my old PC. :)" "Debian + Enlightenment + Bodhi Theme is good enough" https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1126842Jan 03 10:33
TechrightsSocial@: Jan 03 10:35
TechrightsSocial@: Jan 03 10:35
schestowitzi kicked diablo, no idea why someone (I think xface) give him op in the first placeJan 03 11:06
schestowitz> Who's the dickweed with the handle Diablo-D3 on IRC?Jan 03 11:10
schestowitzSome guy who used to troll and lie about Techrights, then joined the channel and added obscenities to it. He was never a decent person.Jan 03 11:10
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29Jan 03 11:25
TechrightsSocialTitle: Troll (Internet) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 100.68 KBJan 03 11:25
schestowitz[11:21] <dddd> you just banned someone isnt that censorship?Jan 03 11:26
schestowitz[11:23] <dddd> are you being attacked in the channel right now?Jan 03 11:26
schestowitz[11:23] <dddd> u just banned someone, waht happenedJan 03 11:26
schestowitz[11:24] <schestowitz> i banned disabloJan 03 11:26
schestowitz[11:24] <schestowitz> he's a trollJan 03 11:26
schestowitz[11:24] <dddd> is a troll someone that doesnt agree with you?Jan 03 11:26
schestowitz[11:24] <dddd> what did he doJan 03 11:26
schestowitz[11:24] <schestowitz> noJan 03 11:26
schestowitz[11:25] <schestowitz> trying to disrupt the channeklJan 03 11:26
schestowitzJan 03 11:26
schestowitz[11:25] <dddd> by disagreeing with youJan 03 11:26
schestowitz[11:25] <dddd> what did he doJan 03 11:26
schestowitz[11:25] <schestowitz> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29Jan 03 11:26
TechrightsSocialTitle: Troll (Internet) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 100.68 KBJan 03 11:26
schestowitz[11:25] <dddd> what did he doJan 03 11:26
schestowitz[11:25] <schestowitz> he banned a valued member, or kicked himJan 03 11:26
schestowitzJan 03 11:27
schestowitz[11:26] <ddd> i thought this was your channel how can diablo ban someoneJan 03 11:27
schestowitz[11:26] <schestowitz> someone gave him op, mistakenlyJan 03 11:27
schestowitz[11:27] <ddd> 'gave him op'?Jan 03 11:28
schestowitz[11:28] <schestowitz> operator privilegesJan 03 11:28
schestowitz> Ok.  Thanks for solving the channel problem.Jan 03 11:40
schestowitzI have seen this problem for a while, I should have removed that op ages ago. It's not the first time diablo does this after xface gives him op.Jan 03 11:40
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/1127573 "Panel fans rejoice"Jan 03 11:41
TechrightsSocial@: Jan 03 11:42
schestowitz> I notice that I am now an operator.  I'm reading up on that in the IRCJan 03 11:46
schestowitz> FAQ.  Is there anything that I should be doing?Jan 03 11:46
schestowitzIf trolls taunt someone, you can kick them to keep things civil.Jan 03 11:46
MinceRhttp://artoftrolling.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/chatroulette-trolling-untitled1.pngJan 03 13:52
TechrightsSocialNot a web page! Aborting image/png typeJan 03 13:52
schestowitzHeheJan 03 16:42
schestowitzI have just been told that Darwin said "man came from monkey"Jan 03 16:42
schestowitznot ancesotorsJan 03 16:42
qu1j0t3lulJan 03 16:42
schestowitzThere's lots of stuff that lies about Evolution to discredit itJan 03 16:42
qu1j0t3man came from plant, tooJan 03 16:42
schestowitzNot reallyJan 03 16:42
schestowitzbut Jan 03 16:43
schestowitzThey share a common ancestorJan 03 16:43
schestowitzI told her..Jan 03 16:43
qu1j0t3yeahJan 03 16:43
qu1j0t3sighJan 03 16:43
schestowitzToo much tor grasp for one day\Jan 03 16:43
qu1j0t3i woudln't even go thereJan 03 16:43
qu1j0t3there's no pointJan 03 16:43
schestowitzYes, I knowJan 03 16:43
schestowitzUnnecessary arguments based on emotion and not logicJan 03 16:43
qu1j0t3it seems people either live in a pre-Enlightenment or post-Enlightenment world, and only revolution moves between themJan 03 16:43
qu1j0t3French figured it outJan 03 16:43
schestowitzWell, those who are less enlightened tend to have more kids to indoctrinateJan 03 16:44
qu1j0t3LOLJan 03 16:44
schestowitzSo evolution pegged itselfJan 03 16:44
qu1j0t3what indoctrination they leave out, the TV completesJan 03 16:44
qu1j0t3yayJan 03 16:44
schestowitzyupJan 03 16:44
schestowitzpretty muchJan 03 16:44
MinceRhungary had a few revolutions and yet it's currently in a pre-enlightenment stateJan 03 16:44
qu1j0t3still, nothing else seems to workJan 03 16:44
schestowitzMinceR: remember the old Iran revolutionsJan 03 16:44
schestowitzWhere religion coming in was the revolutionJan 03 16:44
qu1j0t3schestowitz: the USA had a great deal to do with thatJan 03 16:45
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schestowitzit's like a hijacking of termJan 03 16:45
qu1j0t3schestowitz: they practically engineered the theocratic takeover of Iran.Jan 03 16:45
qu1j0t3schestowitz: and now we see how useful it wasJan 03 16:45
schestowitzWhat about if renaissance came to mean "realisation God exists"Jan 03 16:45
qu1j0t3schestowitz: at gunpoint.Jan 03 16:45
qu1j0t3schestowitz: you can't make people believe, or disbelieveJan 03 16:45
schestowitzyeah, based modality ofm thinkingJan 03 16:46
schestowitzSee, some people say:Jan 03 16:46
schestowitzthat I decnstruct too much or use logic too muchJan 03 16:46
qu1j0t3LOLJan 03 16:46
schestowitzLike logic is not a merit but a weaknessJan 03 16:46
schestowitzAnd reason is opposite of moralsJan 03 16:46
schestowitzI see this a lotJan 03 16:46
qu1j0t3LOLJan 03 16:46
qu1j0t3belief in the usefulness of Gates is a Faith thing.Jan 03 16:46
schestowitzAnd there's not much hope changing those perception on a one-by-one basisJan 03 16:46
qu1j0t3since no evidence bears it outJan 03 16:46
schestowitzOthers suggest schizoJan 03 16:46
schestowitzI.e. being logical at work, then becoming superstitious afterwardsJan 03 16:47
schestowitzLike it's leaving one's brain in a jar,as one well known scientitist once put it (can't recall who)Jan 03 16:47
schestowitzqu1j0t3: for gates, the clergy is journalistsJan 03 16:47
schestowitzlike kristoffJan 03 16:47
schestowitz"Look at those wise sage men, they like Gates. You should too [they are paid by gates]"Jan 03 16:48
qu1j0t3schestowitz: here's a very confused thread. http://www.quora.com/How-can-parents-teach-their-children-to-reject-materialist-and-consumerist-valuesJan 03 16:48
TechrightsSocialTitle: How can parents teach their children to reject materialist and consumerist values? - Quora .::. Size~: 237.58 KBJan 03 16:48
qu1j0t3schestowitz: and the worshippers at the altar of moneyJan 03 16:49
schestowitzHeh. SickeningJan 03 16:50
schestowitzI guess many people are too finely tunedJan 03 16:50
qu1j0t3there's some pretty hair-raising answersJan 03 16:50
schestowitzJust not adjusted to the reality which is outside the distortion fieldJan 03 16:50
qu1j0t3rightJan 03 16:50
qu1j0t3Quora is like thatJan 03 16:50
qu1j0t3yet, there are some real progressives on thereJan 03 16:51
qu1j0t3follow Fred LandisJan 03 16:51
schestowitz"Complete rejection of materialism or consumerism is a delusion. The international economies of the 21st century depend on the production and consumption of goods and services. Nevertheless, I realize, people continue to subscribe to the belief that they can live and teach their children to live totally austere lifestyles with a perfect balance of the needs of an ascetic, rejection of all of their wants, and contentment in Jan 03 16:51
schestowitzsimplicity. "Jan 03 16:51
schestowitz"By not buying them everything they want, because you can't afford it."Jan 03 16:51
schestowitzOr take a credit cardJan 03 16:51
schestowitzJoin the slave tradeJan 03 16:51
qu1j0t3A DELUSIONJan 03 16:52
qu1j0t3i almost repliedJan 03 16:52
qu1j0t3let's NOT CHANGE THE STATUS QUOJan 03 16:52
qu1j0t3typical american answerJan 03 16:52
qu1j0t3intellectual FUDJan 03 16:52
qu1j0t3"don't trust that madman who says X"Jan 03 16:53
qu1j0t3"stay close, to the shepherd, old Rupert"Jan 03 16:53
schestowitz[16:52] <qu1j0t3> let's NOT CHANGE THE STATUS QUOJan 03 16:53
schestowitzYes, I hear thisJan 03 16:54
schestowitzLittle by little, change happensJan 03 16:54
qu1j0t3all the timeJan 03 16:54
schestowitzAsk slaves and ffeministsJan 03 16:54
qu1j0t3exactlyJan 03 16:54
schestowitzNovell too is dead nowJan 03 16:54
qu1j0t3but it's deniedJan 03 16:54
qu1j0t3constantlyJan 03 16:54
schestowitzWe had a massive effect on them in BN.comJan 03 16:54
qu1j0t3"Protest never changed anything."Jan 03 16:54
qu1j0t3LOLJan 03 16:54
schestowitzheh. GoDaddy!Jan 03 16:54
qu1j0t3"Give up."Jan 03 16:54
qu1j0t3they don't even say "You're wrong."Jan 03 16:54
schestowitzDeafitism is a powerful toolJan 03 16:54
schestowitzMorale gamesJan 03 16:55
qu1j0t3they just say "Give up, protest is stupid."Jan 03 16:55
schestowitzMS does this to LinuxJan 03 16:55
qu1j0t3yes.Jan 03 16:55
schestowitz"Give up on Linux, it's just 1%"Jan 03 16:55
schestowitzNow see AndroidJan 03 16:55
schestowitz!google ballmer android oha words on paperJan 03 16:55
TechrightsSocial[1] - Linux FUD and Android FUD | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2011/07/18/linux-fud-and-android-fud/Jan 03 16:55
TechrightsSocial[2] - The Androidisation of GNU/Linux | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2011/04/10/pathways-to-digital-freedom/Jan 03 16:55
TechrightsSocial[3] - Blogrunner: Google Enters Phone Market | http://www.blogrunner.com/snapshot/news/6/3/google_enters_phone_market/Jan 03 16:55
TechrightsSocial[4] - Google Android Just a Press Release, Says Ballmer | PCWorld ... | http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/139421/google_android_just_a_press_release_says_ballmer.htmlJan 03 16:55
schestowitzsee [4]Jan 03 16:55
schestowitzTechrights dominates these resultsJan 03 16:55
qu1j0t3schestowitz: "you'll never amount to anything"Jan 03 16:55
qu1j0t3schestowitz: the old strict father againJan 03 16:55
schestowitz"Join the real world"Jan 03 16:56
qu1j0t3schestowitz: "You can't win"Jan 03 16:56
schestowitz"why can't you live a simple life?:"Jan 03 16:56
qu1j0t3"Go with the flow"Jan 03 16:56
qu1j0t3"Accept reality"Jan 03 16:56
qu1j0t3"You're dreaming"Jan 03 16:56
schestowitzBeen having this conversation all day here at the dinner tableJan 03 16:56
qu1j0t3:/Jan 03 16:56
schestowitzTrying to "normalise" me.... normal=obedientJan 03 16:56
qu1j0t3yesJan 03 16:57
schestowitzSome people don't appreciate those thingsJan 03 16:57
qu1j0t3"Don't rock the boat"Jan 03 16:57
schestowitzSome doJan 03 16:57
schestowitzOr just pretend toJan 03 16:57
qu1j0t3i was raised as an activist, but indirectlyJan 03 16:57
schestowitzI guess it depends on their own value and judgment or scoring paradigmJan 03 16:57
qu1j0t3i was never ever told to be an activistJan 03 16:57
qu1j0t3but my parents left the door openJan 03 16:57
schestowitzcoolJan 03 16:58
schestowitzgood stuffJan 03 16:58
schestowitzit's a lot more fulfillingJan 03 16:58
qu1j0t3i'm not a very good activistJan 03 16:58
schestowitzfeeling involved, not feeling like a cogwheeklJan 03 16:58
qu1j0t3:)Jan 03 16:58
schestowitzYou areJan 03 16:58
schestowitzCOmpared ot someJan 03 16:58
qu1j0t3nah, i'm not patient enoughJan 03 16:58
schestowitzI see wannabesJan 03 16:58
schestowitzThey give up too earlyJan 03 16:58
schestowitzTomorrow word resumes... :/Jan 03 16:58
schestowitzI didn't manage to do as much activism re Gates FOundies like I had planned toJan 03 16:59
schestowitz> I'm still rather new to IRC.  How do I (or should I) elevate myJan 03 17:03
schestowitz> account to operator status after having disconnected?Jan 03 17:03
schestowitzMinceR: do you remember how to auto-op?Jan 03 17:03
MinceRi doJan 03 17:05
schestowitziophk wants thatJan 03 17:05
MinceRat least i remember enough to know where to start looking up in help, so i'm looking at the help nowJan 03 17:05
MinceR/cs access #channel add Nick opJan 03 17:06
schestowitzaccess list or something, IIRC, by channel creatorJan 03 17:06
MinceRyes, you can also list themJan 03 17:06
schestowitz /cs access #techrights add  iophk opJan 03 17:06
MinceRthat would be itJan 03 17:07
MinceRif /cs doesn't work then /chanserv or /raw chanserv or /quote chanserv or /msg chanservJan 03 17:07
schestowitzI tried both alreadyJan 03 17:08
schestowitz[17:07] [Notice] -ChanServ- Invalid template name given, use /msg ChanServ TEMPLATE #techrights for a listJan 03 17:08
schestowitzdpmeJan 03 17:08
schestowitzdoneJan 03 17:08
schestowitzwith msgJan 03 17:08
MinceRraw and quote might need a colon prefix on the last argument, i'm not sureJan 03 17:09
schestowitz[17:08] [Notice] -ChanServ- 1     schestowitz            +votsriRfAF [modified 1 year, 37 weeks, 2 days, 20:39:40 ago]Jan 03 17:09
schestowitz[17:08] [Notice] -ChanServ- 2     tessier_               +votriA [modified 30 weeks, 1 day, 10:05:48 ago]Jan 03 17:09
schestowitz[17:08] [Notice] -ChanServ- 3     MinceR                 +votriA [modified 30 weeks, 1 day, 10:05:31 ago]Jan 03 17:09
schestowitz[17:08] [Notice] -ChanServ- 4     cubezzz                +votriA [modified 30 weeks, 1 day, 10:05:24 ago]Jan 03 17:09
schestowitz[17:08] [Notice] -ChanServ- 5     _Goblin                +votriA [modified 30 weeks, 1 day, 10:03:14 ago]Jan 03 17:09
schestowitz[17:08] [Notice] -ChanServ- 6     amarsh04               +votriA [modified 30 weeks, 1 day, 10:02:37 ago]Jan 03 17:09
MinceRdoesn't seem to have iophk on the listJan 03 17:09
schestowitzHow would you rewrite the command?Jan 03 17:10
MinceRnot sureJan 03 17:10
schestowitzdiablo is misbehavingJan 03 17:10
MinceR/msg chanserv access #techrights add iophk opJan 03 17:11
MinceRshould workJan 03 17:11
MinceRif it doesn't, their help is outdated and i'll look up how to do it with flagsJan 03 17:11
qu1j0t3wait, 11 ops can't handle him? :/Jan 03 17:12
schestowitziophk asked for opJan 03 17:12
schestowitzhe's a  friend, tooJan 03 17:12
qu1j0t3schestowitz: you need a Taser?Jan 03 17:12
schestowitzPepper spray is more fun a weaponJan 03 17:12
schestowitzMultiple targetsJan 03 17:12
MinceRif it still complains about the template, you could try "aop" instead of "op"Jan 03 17:13
MinceRor /msg chanserv flags #techrights iophk aopJan 03 17:14
schestowitzah, that did it.Jan 03 17:16
schestowitz[17:16] [Notice] -ChanServ- Entry Nickname/Host          FlagsJan 03 17:16
schestowitz[17:16] [Notice] -ChanServ- ----- ---------------------- -----Jan 03 17:16
schestowitz[17:16] [Notice] -ChanServ- 1     schestowitz            +votsriRfAF [modified 1 year, 37 weeks, 2 days, 20:47:12 ago]Jan 03 17:16
schestowitz[17:16] [Notice] -ChanServ- 2     tessier_               +votriA [modified 30 weeks, 1 day, 10:13:20 ago]Jan 03 17:16
schestowitz[17:16] [Notice] -ChanServ- 3     MinceR                 +votriA [modified 30 weeks, 1 day, 10:13:03 ago]Jan 03 17:16
schestowitz[17:16] [Notice] -ChanServ- 4     cubezzz                +votriA [modified 30 weeks, 1 day, 10:12:56 ago]Jan 03 17:16
schestowitz[17:16] [Notice] -ChanServ- 5     _Goblin                +votriA [modified 30 weeks, 1 day, 10:10:46 ago]Jan 03 17:16
schestowitz[17:16] [Notice] -ChanServ- 6     amarsh04               +votriA [modified 30 weeks, 1 day, 10:10:09 ago]Jan 03 17:16
schestowitz[17:16] [Notice] -ChanServ- 7     iophk                  +voOtA (AOP) [modified 40 seconds ago]Jan 03 17:17
schestowitz[17:16] [Notice] -ChanServ- ----- ---------------------- -----Jan 03 17:17
MinceRit added different flags than before...Jan 03 17:17
MinceRyou might want to allow him to use unban, invite and getkey commands via /msg chanserv flags #techrights iophk +riJan 03 17:18
MinceRand you might want to disable auto-op on join via /msg chanserv flags #techrights iophk -OJan 03 17:18
MinceR(dunno if we want auto-op on join)Jan 03 17:18
schestowitz /chanserv op #techrights nick would doJan 03 17:21
schestowitzMinceR: doneJan 03 17:22
*schestowitz is now known as wowJan 03 17:22
*wow is now known as schestowitzJan 03 17:22
MinceR:)Jan 03 17:22
schestowitzkonversation has the nick thing next to the textarea of messageJan 03 17:23
schestowitzIt's a god thing I rarely start sentences with "Douche"Jan 03 17:23
MinceRlolJan 03 17:26
qu1j0t3schestowitz: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/01/03/1345250/eu-proposal-would-encourage-web-users-to-flag-suspicious-web-pages?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29Jan 03 17:27
TechrightsSocialTitle: EU Proposal Would Encourage Web Users To Flag Suspicious Web Pages - Slashdot .::. Size~: 146.37 KBJan 03 17:27
schestowitzI'd flag the EU's web site firstJan 03 17:42
schestowitzI reckon they're some dodgy Big Borther siteJan 03 17:42
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schestowitz> Interesting response:Jan 03 21:40
schestowitz> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1903869Jan 03 21:40
schestowitzThom was FOSS-hostile, which makes this rather important.Jan 03 21:40
TechrightsSocialTitle: Be Free !!! - Ubuntu Forums .::. Size~: 58.18 KBJan 03 21:40

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