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| schestowitz | 100% Linux Myself | Jan 05 00:05 |
| schestowitz | 1 Desktop machine on Arch Linux | Jan 05 00:05 |
| schestowitz | 1 Home file and media server of Arch | Jan 05 00:05 |
| schestowitz | 1 Laptop on Arch | Jan 05 00:05 |
| schestowitz | 1 Kids desktop on LInux Mint 10 | Jan 05 00:05 |
| schestowitz | 1 Wife's Laptop on Linux Mint 10 | Jan 05 00:05 |
| schestowitz | Also serve as tech support for wifes MacBook Pro | Jan 05 00:05 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1133763 | Jan 05 00:05 |
| TechrightsSocial | @: | Jan 05 00:05 |
| schestowitz | For me it's Linux on the laptop, the home server, the desktop, the Web server, the VOIP phone, but not the Palm PDA. | Jan 05 00:06 |
| schestowitz | GIF Animations in LATEX http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2012/01/05/gif-animated-latex/ needing #LATEX advice | Jan 05 00:59 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1133763 " | Jan 05 00:59 |
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| schestowitz | 1 desktop with #LMDE | Jan 05 00:59 |
| schestowitz | 1 router #E3000 with #DDWRT | Jan 05 00:59 |
| schestowitz | 1 server with #xubuntu | Jan 05 00:59 |
| schestowitz | was wondering if buying the new #nokia #n9 was a good option but I think it lacks a lot of features yet | Jan 05 00:59 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 05 00:59 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 05 01:00 |
| schestowitz | Gotta jump in with this one. | Jan 05 01:00 |
| schestowitz | 1. Desktop - Ubuntu 10.04 | Jan 05 01:00 |
| schestowitz | 2. Acer Netbook - Crunchbang | Jan 05 01:00 |
| schestowitz | 3. Dell P3 - Smoothwall 3.0 | Jan 05 01:00 |
| schestowitz | 4. Sager laptop - Qimo | Jan 05 01:00 |
| schestowitz | 5. Chumby - Linux kernel ;-) | Jan 05 01:00 |
| schestowitz | 6. Micro-Itx - Xubuntu for ssh tunnel | Jan 05 01:00 |
| schestowitz | Sadly not 100%. Compaq laptop bought with XP | Jan 05 01:00 |
| schestowitz | for VPN stuff for wife's work. Older Xp Gaming | Jan 05 01:00 |
| schestowitz | rig and it works with gifted HP printer. Some day I will get | Jan 05 01:00 |
| schestowitz | to 100%. Hopefully soon. | Jan 05 01:00 |
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| schestowitz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Fockers was kind of crap | Jan 05 02:16 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Little Fockers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 67.97 KB | Jan 05 02:16 |
| schestowitz | Alba won worst supporting actress | Jan 05 02:16 |
| schestowitz | Linux on "Phone, HP tablet, both my notebook and my spouse's and the media centre. " https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1133763\ | Jan 05 02:26 |
| TechrightsSocial | @: | Jan 05 02:26 |
| MinceR | for gaming, he might want to try Xonotic too | Jan 05 06:19 |
| schestowitz | http://extratorrent.com/article/1846/techrights+outfit+called+to+boycott+apple.html | Jan 05 09:24 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Techrights Outfit Called To Boycott Apple - ExtraTorrent.com The World's Largest BitTorrent System .::. Size~: 24.63 KB | Jan 05 09:24 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/l0q0/statuses/154730031371923456 | Jan 05 09:25 |
| TechrightsSocial | @l0q0: @schestowitz Ideally designers and developers should work together, balancing each other. Form AND function. | Jan 05 09:25 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/directhex/statuses/154735457945665536 | Jan 05 09:25 |
| TechrightsSocial | @directhex: Breaking news from Boycott Novell groupie Twitter: "Microsoft surrenders .NET". Reality: link to 2009 release of .NET Micro under Apache2.0 | Jan 05 09:25 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1133763 | Jan 05 09:34 |
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| schestowitz | desktop, Ubuntu Unity | Jan 05 09:34 |
| schestowitz | desktop, Lubuntu | Jan 05 09:34 |
| schestowitz | desktop, Kubuntu | Jan 05 09:34 |
| schestowitz | ibook, MintPPC 11 (Debian testing) | Jan 05 09:34 |
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| schestowitz | "https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1136048 | Jan 05 11:26 |
| TechrightsSocial | @: | Jan 05 11:26 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 05 11:26 |
| schestowitz | The mechanistic aspect comes from the world view that if everything can be put into formulae, then everything is deterministic, which raises some ethical questions and issues. | Jan 05 11:26 |
| schestowitz | As far as I can logically deduce, the question if free will exists is correlated with the question if infinity exists (be it macro- or microscopic). | Jan 05 11:26 |
| schestowitz | All in all, I believe one day we will find that science and spirituality are the two sides of the same coin. | Jan 05 11:26 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 05 11:26 |
| schestowitz | "That did not deter the organizers, who late last month announced their eight nominees for this year, including Prime Minister Vladimir V. Putin of Russia and Bill Gates, the founder of Microsoft. But a posting appeared on the Web site of the Ministry of Culture last Tuesday saying that the prize would be canceled and that the group offering it would be disbanded." | Jan 05 14:42 |
| schestowitz | http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/02/world/asia/competing-confucius-award-bares-discord-in-china.html? | Jan 05 14:42 |
| TechrightsSocial | Missing content type. Ignoring. | Jan 05 14:42 |
| qu1j0t3 | LOL | Jan 05 15:03 |
| schestowitz | PR stunt called off | Jan 05 15:04 |
| qu1j0t3 | Putin and Gates. | Jan 05 15:04 |
| qu1j0t3 | Ministry of Culture. | Jan 05 15:05 |
| schestowitz | !google microsoft most ethical company | Jan 05 15:05 |
| TechrightsSocial | [1] - Microsoft Wins 'Most Ethical' Award--Google, Facebook, Apple Don't ... | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/17/microsoft-most-ethical-company_n_837003.html | Jan 05 15:05 |
| TechrightsSocial | [2] - Microsoft lands on list of world's “most ethical” companies | http://www.techflash.com/seattle/2011/03/microsoft-lands-on-most-ethical-list.html | Jan 05 15:05 |
| TechrightsSocial | [3] - Is Microsoft one of the world's most ethical companies? (Forbes ... | http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/2011/03/16/is-microsoft-one-of-the-worlds-most-ethical-companies-forbes/ | Jan 05 15:05 |
| TechrightsSocial | [4] - Microsoft Makes Ethisphere's 110 Most Ethical Companies List ... | http://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/bentley/microsoft-makes-ethispheres-110-most-ethical-companies-list/%3Fcs%3D46023 | Jan 05 15:05 |
| qu1j0t3 | LOL @ Forbes | Jan 05 15:05 |
| qu1j0t3 | well, we know what Forbes is. | Jan 05 15:05 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Jan 05 15:05 |
| schestowitz | he has lists of "good people" | Jan 05 15:05 |
| qu1j0t3 | a giant trojan horse | Jan 05 15:05 |
| schestowitz | Admire them! | Jan 05 15:05 |
| schestowitz | They succeeded, you failed | Jan 05 15:05 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: but the lists are completely arbitrary | Jan 05 15:05 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: they're chosen to serve various ends | Jan 05 15:05 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: a lot of people will never ever be listed because they have arrangements -- the ones who pull the strings at forbes | Jan 05 15:06 |
| qu1j0t3 | so we see a selected subset that is supposed to give a certain impression | Jan 05 15:07 |
| schestowitz | royal families? | Jan 05 15:10 |
| qu1j0t3 | whoever | Jan 05 15:14 |
| qu1j0t3 | but yeah, that's an obvious candidae | Jan 05 15:14 |
| qu1j0t3 | te | Jan 05 15:14 |
| qu1j0t3 | we can assume that Forbes list is a tip of the iceberg designed to distract from the reality | Jan 05 15:15 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: for example, those whose fortunes are derived from arms .. where are they on the list? drugs? | Jan 05 15:15 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: we can also assume all the estimates are suspect | Jan 05 15:15 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1136048 | Jan 05 20:22 |
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| schestowitz | " | Jan 05 20:23 |
| schestowitz | This style of thinking we get from Descartes, through Bacon and Newton. It permeates our educational programme and detemines the biased direction of science. | Jan 05 20:23 |
| schestowitz | We are persuaded that everything is made up of analysed units and this creates a fragmented, mechanised viewpoint of the world. | Jan 05 20:23 |
| schestowitz | We need to understand, as Quantum Theory has taught us, that the connections are actually more important in a network, for example, than the nodes. | Jan 05 20:23 |
| schestowitz | The current style of thought has brought us a long way, technologically, but the fragmented, alienating viewpoint it instills has created division within ourselves, between each other and between us and our environment. | Jan 05 20:23 |
| schestowitz | When a more wholistic viewpoint can gain predominance, we will keep all our current and future technologicak achievements, but finally be in a position to employ them productively, instead of being a race of beings traveling through endless space, systematically destroying the spacecraft we rely on for survival, with an aggressively violent attitude toward each other and divorce statistics that generally trend to being | Jan 05 20:23 |
| schestowitz | greater than those of marriage. | Jan 05 20:23 |
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| schestowitz | "@Weaver if you're talking to me, I'm talking to Dr Schestowitz ;-) " https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1136048 "O.K., now that Dr. Schestowitz knows, he's in a position to reply. Stand by! ;) " | Jan 05 22:27 |
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| schestowitz | It was a bit of a rant about people to whom thinking about how things work and deconstructing them is a Bad Thing{tm} whereas believing in things without evidence is a Great Idea{tm}. | Jan 05 22:29 |
| qu1j0t3 | LOL | Jan 05 22:33 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: shut up and keep shopping | Jan 05 22:33 |
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| schestowitz | I do | Jan 05 22:43 |
| schestowitz | I shop for food | Jan 05 22:43 |
| schestowitz | Sainsbury's and Aldi (big chains sadly) | Jan 05 22:43 |
| qu1j0t3 | Aldi. | Jan 05 22:53 |
| qu1j0t3 | foreign owned | Jan 05 22:53 |
| qu1j0t3 | should be illegal | Jan 05 22:53 |
| oiaohm | qu1j0t3: and where does most of the food come from. | Jan 05 22:54 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: same problem | Jan 05 22:55 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: importing food staples is ludicrous | Jan 05 22:55 |
| qu1j0t3 | but let's shut down Aldi first | Jan 05 22:55 |
| qu1j0t3 | and IKEA | Jan 05 22:55 |
| qu1j0t3 | and all the rest | Jan 05 22:55 |
| qu1j0t3 | chase them out of town with sticks | Jan 05 22:55 |
| qu1j0t3 | confiscate all assets | Jan 05 22:55 |
| oiaohm | qu1j0t3: I remember a case where they took a standard house and removed everything that was from china here in Australia | Jan 05 22:56 |
| oiaohm | Result was shocking. | Jan 05 22:56 |
| oiaohm | by the time they were finished the house was just a frame. | Jan 05 22:57 |
| oiaohm | Internal wall panels and all had come from china. | Jan 05 22:57 |
| oiaohm | qu1j0t3: the problem is how to go forwards. Really shutting down the stores will not solve the problem of not producing what you require. | Jan 05 22:59 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: well yes | Jan 05 23:01 |
| oiaohm | qu1j0t3: here is the killer Aldi here in Australia is more likely to have Australian product on shelf than than the 2 big Australian supermarkets | Jan 05 23:01 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: If you find yourself in a home, stop digging. | Jan 05 23:01 |
| qu1j0t3 | hole* | Jan 05 23:01 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: so, make laws about that. | Jan 05 23:01 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: outlaw foreign franchises. outlaw more than say 10% of imports. | Jan 05 23:01 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: and tariff imports aggressively. | Jan 05 23:01 |
| qu1j0t3 | done. | Jan 05 23:01 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: it's the reasons why this /hasn't/ been done, that need investigating. :) | Jan 05 23:02 |
| oiaohm | Really there is a big problem. | Jan 05 23:02 |
| oiaohm | You have product retaging. | Jan 05 23:03 |
| oiaohm | Product is shiped in bulk from one country to another. | Jan 05 23:03 |
| oiaohm | Then the country it packaged in comes it source. | Jan 05 23:03 |
| schestowitz | [22:53] <qu1j0t3> foreign owned | Jan 05 23:04 |
| schestowitz | [22:53] <qu1j0t3> should be illegal | Jan 05 23:04 |
| schestowitz | why? | Jan 05 23:04 |
| oiaohm | So I can see a product that says Australia but it be from china if you removed the packaging. | Jan 05 23:04 |
| schestowitz | they also sell German foods, the EU is a EU-wise market, like US states | Jan 05 23:04 |
| schestowitz | but most of the food is from the UK | Jan 05 23:05 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: many countries have such laws. | Jan 05 23:05 |
| oiaohm | First thing fix up before worry about is the store foreign owned | Jan 05 23:05 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: foreign franchise is always locally parasitic. | Jan 05 23:05 |
| schestowitz | [23:01] <qu1j0t3> oiaohm: and tariff imports aggressively. | Jan 05 23:05 |
| schestowitz | This I can agree with | Jan 05 23:05 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: the only reason they are tolerated is because the system is corrupted. | Jan 05 23:05 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: India has a 50% local ownership law. | Jan 05 23:06 |
| schestowitz | to limit how much fuel is spend moving around food that we can waste less energy on relocating | Jan 05 23:06 |
| oiaohm | qu1j0t3: and schestowitz the tariff imports does not work. | Jan 05 23:06 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: brazil has 100% duty on many imports. | Jan 05 23:06 |
| oiaohm | Dirty trick. | Jan 05 23:06 |
| qu1j0t3 | absolutely necessary | Jan 05 23:06 |
| oiaohm | Send in bulk cheap as you can. | Jan 05 23:06 |
| qu1j0t3 | oh, you LIKE the status quo? | Jan 05 23:06 |
| oiaohm | Re package it in the country. | Jan 05 23:06 |
| qu1j0t3 | hehe | Jan 05 23:06 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: that's the status quo. | Jan 05 23:07 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: hello China | Jan 05 23:07 |
| schestowitz | it's unfair competition to locals | Jan 05 23:07 |
| oiaohm | So now that overseas product appears to be Australian. qu1j0t3 | Jan 05 23:07 |
| schestowitz | like importing Spanish crops where farmers are paid less | Jan 05 23:07 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: and THAT is the problem. that all has to stop. | Jan 05 23:07 |
| oiaohm | That is all you have done by pushing the tariff up. | Jan 05 23:07 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: yes! | Jan 05 23:07 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: no | Jan 05 23:07 |
| schestowitz | Which kills British agra and makes us dependent on import for survival, literally | Jan 05 23:07 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: you actually enforce it | Jan 05 23:07 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: and lock people up | Jan 05 23:07 |
| oiaohm | You have to fix the truth in labeling before you can push up tariff | Jan 05 23:07 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: all the West is, now. and they sold their agricultural land. | Jan 05 23:08 |
| oiaohm | Otherwise you are fixing nothing. | Jan 05 23:08 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: so fix both. | Jan 05 23:08 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: FIX SOMETHING. | Jan 05 23:08 |
| schestowitz | my friend and I keep saying that in case of war there can be famine here, we're not self sufficient when it comes to food | Jan 05 23:08 |
| schestowitz | Spain and China are | Jan 05 23:08 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: of course | Jan 05 23:08 |
| oiaohm | qu1j0t3: Just fixing labeling has a big effect | Jan 05 23:08 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: most countries are in this boat... | Jan 05 23:08 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: in the west. | Jan 05 23:08 |
| schestowitz | China is also more resistant to things like nuclear strikes | Jan 05 23:08 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: not sufficient. | Jan 05 23:08 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: nowhere close. | Jan 05 23:08 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: why? profit. | Jan 05 23:08 |
| oiaohm | qu1j0t3: you basically don't see prawn from china any more in Australia | Jan 05 23:08 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: you have to close the profit opportunities or the incentives are backwards. | Jan 05 23:08 |
| oiaohm | Because all seafood has to be labeled correctly here. | Jan 05 23:09 |
| schestowitz | here, one main part of the infrastructure (power, water, food) goes down, we can't cope to survive, clans would rule | Jan 05 23:09 |
| oiaohm | qu1j0t3: basically if the population of most countries have a option between true local and overseas | Jan 05 23:09 |
| oiaohm | in product | Jan 05 23:09 |
| oiaohm | They will take the local. | Jan 05 23:09 |
| schestowitz | [23:08] <qu1j0t3> schestowitz: in the west. | Jan 05 23:10 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: not enough | Jan 05 23:10 |
| schestowitz | US is self-sufficent | Jan 05 23:10 |
| schestowitz | except for electrics and toys | Jan 05 23:10 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: remember they're not trained to do this. Wal-mart. | Jan 05 23:10 |
| oiaohm | qu1j0t3: 20 tons per year to zero. | Jan 05 23:10 |
| qu1j0t3 | 20 tons is nothing | Jan 05 23:10 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: now check Aldi | Jan 05 23:10 |
| oiaohm | To the australian population. | Jan 05 23:10 |
| oiaohm | That does not eat much sea food | Jan 05 23:11 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: they're trained to buy cheap | Jan 05 23:11 |
| oiaohm | That is massive. | Jan 05 23:11 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: without caring where it comes from or the costs. | Jan 05 23:11 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: why? profit. | Jan 05 23:11 |
| qu1j0t3 | (hidden costs) | Jan 05 23:11 |
| schestowitz | aldi is not the only problem, and BTW it's cheaper than the British pair, Tesco and Sains' | Jan 05 23:11 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: CHEAPER IS NOT RELEVANT. | Jan 05 23:11 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: don't you get it? cheaper is the problem. | Jan 05 23:11 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: walmart is in Mexico and INdia! | Jan 05 23:11 |
| schestowitz | ASDA beats them on price too, and ASDA is American now. Asda is Wltons | Jan 05 23:11 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: Price does not matter. | Jan 05 23:12 |
| oiaohm | I guess aldi has more local than Tesco and Sains have. | Jan 05 23:12 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: it's relevan | Jan 05 23:12 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: everything is underpriced. | Jan 05 23:12 |
| schestowitz | race ro the bottom | Jan 05 23:12 |
| schestowitz | at producers' expense | Jan 05 23:12 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: prices have to go up. tariffs have to go up. and a whole lot of businesses have to be run out of britain. | Jan 05 23:12 |
| oiaohm | qu1j0t3: The australian locals there name brand stuff is all produced in china. | Jan 05 23:12 |
| schestowitz | by relevant we mean opposite things | Jan 05 23:12 |
| schestowitz | it's exactly the point | Jan 05 23:12 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: I KNOW. | Jan 05 23:12 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: just fix SOMETHING. | Jan 05 23:12 |
| oiaohm | Even when it says Australia. qu1j0t3 | Jan 05 23:12 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: or you just get the status quo forever, amplified year by year. | Jan 05 23:12 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: so FIX IT. | Jan 05 23:12 |
| schestowitz | Asda sort of pretends to be British, but it's Wal-mart wit a British label | Jan 05 23:13 |
| oiaohm | Aldi on the other hand does try to source locally. | Jan 05 23:13 |
| schestowitz | *with | Jan 05 23:13 |
| schestowitz | camouflage | Jan 05 23:13 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: who cares? shut them down and make laws about local product. | Jan 05 23:13 |
| oiaohm | Because with food that is the better quality product due to less travel. | Jan 05 23:13 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: would change things pretty quick if a few people went to jail. | Jan 05 23:13 |
| oiaohm | Really no | Jan 05 23:13 |
| schestowitz | the vegs and fruit in aldi comes from abroad | Jan 05 23:13 |
| schestowitz | even south americsa | Jan 05 23:13 |
| schestowitz | either because of the climate here or because British farming ceased to exist healthily | Jan 05 23:14 |
| qu1j0t3 | of course | Jan 05 23:14 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: they source the cheapest, etc. | Jan 05 23:14 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: the real costs are not passed on. ever. | Jan 05 23:14 |
| schestowitz | the eggs are British, but they're made in prison-like conditions | Jan 05 23:14 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: it's about today's profit. | Jan 05 23:14 |
| oiaohm | qu1j0t3: In fact no. | Jan 05 23:14 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: ok, so you like the status quo, don't bother fixing it. | Jan 05 23:14 |
| *qu1j0t3 doesn't have time. goes back to work. | Jan 05 23:14 | |
| oiaohm | qu1j0t3: the bad package I have a big issue. | Jan 05 23:14 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: until laws are made, nothing will change. | Jan 05 23:14 |
| schestowitz | apple's stickers are there to mark countries, the English ones often cost more | Jan 05 23:14 |
| oiaohm | aldi has show at least they are worth leaving along for a bit. | Jan 05 23:14 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: and there's no political will to make the necessary laws. | Jan 05 23:15 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: period. | Jan 05 23:15 |
| schestowitz | Colombia has stuff exported | Jan 05 23:15 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: because the political class profits by status quo. | Jan 05 23:15 |
| schestowitz | the farmers there are so 'cheap' that the boat trip is worth the expense | Jan 05 23:15 |
| qu1j0t3 | anyway i gotta work. | Jan 05 23:15 |
| schestowitz | happy farming | Jan 05 23:15 |
| oiaohm | Before aldi where I was I had got to the point I could not buy anything australian from a supermarket. | Jan 05 23:15 |
| schestowitz | [rms: happy hacking] | Jan 05 23:15 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: see: make laws. | Jan 05 23:15 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: obv that has to be fixed. | Jan 05 23:16 |
| schestowitz | why? | Jan 05 23:16 |
| schestowitz | Rich folks love it | Jan 05 23:16 |
| schestowitz | cheap>good :-) | Jan 05 23:16 |
| qu1j0t3 | cheap is profitable. rich don't buy cheap. | Jan 05 23:16 |
| schestowitz | see the high cost of wal-mart... there's a film about it | Jan 05 23:16 |
| oiaohm | qu1j0t3: You don't know what was going on here. | Jan 05 23:16 |
| qu1j0t3 | why should they? | Jan 05 23:16 |
| schestowitz | societal cost/externality | Jan 05 23:16 |
| oiaohm | Australia produces high quality food. | Jan 05 23:16 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: well i only lived there for 35 years. | Jan 05 23:16 |
| schestowitz | but those who make then rules are Waltons | Jan 05 23:16 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: i know the entire west is a fuckin basketcase thanks to China | Jan 05 23:16 |
| oiaohm | So it was package up and sent overseas | Jan 05 23:16 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: fix it. | Jan 05 23:16 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: yes i know, and the land was sold | Jan 05 23:17 |
| oiaohm | And replacement crap was brought back in. | Jan 05 23:17 |
| qu1j0t3 | to foreign interests | Jan 05 23:17 |
| oiaohm | Why that is more profitable | Jan 05 23:17 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: yes, that's the same everywhere. | Jan 05 23:17 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: I KNOW. | Jan 05 23:17 |
| oiaohm | And consumer could not see the difference. | Jan 05 23:17 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: so how are you fixing it? | Jan 05 23:17 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: I KNOW. | Jan 05 23:17 |
| schestowitz | "Ah! Søren Kierkegaard's 'Leap of Faith'. Otherwise known as 'The Lemming Syndrome'." https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1136048 | Jan 05 23:17 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: i know what has occurred throughout the west. how are we fixing it? | Jan 05 23:17 |
| oiaohm | Really I am pushing as prime requirement is truth in packaging. | Jan 05 23:17 |
| *qu1j0t3 has to work. bbl | Jan 05 23:18 | |
| schestowitz | people like foreign too | Jan 05 23:18 |
| schestowitz | the assumption it's brought from where it's made best | Jan 05 23:18 |
| oiaohm | Get that then consumers can see what is going on. | Jan 05 23:18 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: It is sometimes true. | Jan 05 23:18 |
| schestowitz | and it's a bit like travel in reverse--showing off to friends about the number of miles you or the stuff inside your stomach travelled for hie/her highness | Jan 05 23:18 |
| oiaohm | Classic case is the so call french mable that is in our parlement house. | Jan 05 23:19 |
| oiaohm | If you trace it back it was mined in Australia sent to france and finished. | Jan 05 23:19 |
| oiaohm | Yep world tour that stuff got. | Jan 05 23:20 |
| TechrightsSocial | @: | Jan 05 23:20 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1136048 | Jan 05 23:45 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 05 23:45 |
| schestowitz | In the case of the US I have a theory about this. This trend has gone along with a tendency to not question and a dramatic decline in critical thinking skills particularly amongst college students (this from personal observation). The reason, I believe, has to do with the overwhelming dominance of TV in peoples lives over the last 20 years or so. If you watch a lot of tv in the US, there is always somebody telling you what to | Jan 05 23:45 |
| TechrightsSocial | @: | Jan 05 23:45 |
| schestowitz | think, what to feel, how to dress, how to speak etc People have just began to defer to these authorities, celebrities etc After so many hours of that you get conditioned to accept the views of your authorities/celebrities/personalities/marketers, whomever they may be. | Jan 05 23:45 |
| schestowitz | TV is also just marketing and in the US people live in a sea of marketing messages. I'd characterize the US as a Marketer dominated or Marketer subservient society. Marketing is really about obeying and accepting authority; the marketing message, without thinking too much about it. We now have a couple of generations of Americans who have grown up immersed in that culture. So they have learnt to accept not to question. | Jan 05 23:45 |
| schestowitz | Thankfully this has began to change now and we can also see a trend in young people getting involved in politics and various causes again. | Jan 05 23:45 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 05 23:45 |
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