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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/1136048 "Jan 06 00:04
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schestowitzEven programmes are ads.Jan 06 00:04
schestowitzThe Simpsons is just an ad telling everybody that it's O.K. to be an average Joe.Jan 06 00:04
schestowitzThis assists in maintaining a working level of production units.Jan 06 00:04
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qu1j0t3schestowitz: David Ogilvy published some shocking statistics for the advertising impressions experienced in the 1960s -- counts, etc. The figures for today must be 10-100x that.Jan 06 00:38
qu1j0t3schestowitz: I'll look them up.Jan 06 00:38
schestowitzChomsky read some books that says advertising it now a trillion+ dollar busines a year in the US aloneJan 06 00:43
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schestowitzqu1j0t3: http://www.prwatch.org/news/2012/01/11215/indiana-workers-stand-push-anti-labor-laws-called-right-work-less-and-alec-agendaJan 06 10:46
TechrightsSocialTitle: Indiana Workers Stand against the ALEC Agenda and the Anti-Labor Bill Called the "Right to Work" (for Less)  | Center for Media and Democracy .::. Size~: 58.82 KBJan 06 10:46
schestowitzhttp://gregor.us/forecast/a-punch-to-the-mouth-food-price-volatility-hits-the-world/Jan 06 10:48
TechrightsSocialTitle: A Punch to the Mouth - Food Price Volatility Hits the World | Gregor.us .::. Size~: 30.88 KBJan 06 10:48
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/1140665Jan 06 11:57
schestowitz"Jan 06 11:57
schestowitzIt raises the question "should I be paid for intellectual work as well as physical work" and draws the distinction between hardware and software. Obviously you shouldn't be charged to cut your own grass and you can volunteer to cut your neighbours grass, but isn't it entirely reasonable to build a business trimming lawns and tending flower beds?Jan 06 11:57
schestowitzTo me, the issue isn't whether we should pay for software or not - clearly if someone builds a business creating software that people want to use then they should be able to be paid to do so. The issue instead is oppressive/stupid restrictions built in that take away the 'reasonable' rights of an owner of the thing they purchase.Jan 06 11:57
schestowitzIn a way, I wonder if this expectation of continual 'free stuff' and always wanting our goods cheaper while increasing wages (if we actually have jobs?!) is one of the subtle things that's helped undermine the present world financial system. One could draw a direct link between the idea that everyone has a right to everything they want and the sub-prime mortgage crash that started this particular round of changes and protests.Jan 06 11:57
schestowitz Obviously this is enormously simplified, but if we want all things 'free' then everyone has to buy into the system (pun partially intended).Jan 06 11:57
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schestowitz"Duh, I misread #ide as #kde and thought kdevelop was having a revival." "which text editors do you fancy?" https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1140684 kate is using (K)parts of kdevelop, so I usually use just thatJan 06 11:59
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/1140684Jan 06 12:33
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schestowitz""Jan 06 12:33
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schestowitz"Jan 06 12:33
schestowitzAlways a #VI + complier user now with #python it does the runtime compile for meJan 06 12:33
schestowitzI said VI because I used looooong time before VIM was bornJan 06 12:33
schestowitznever used an ideJan 06 12:33
schestowitz"Jan 06 12:33
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/keithccurtis/status/155263348047478784?iid=am-133564127713258526419015303&nid=4+status_timestamp&uid=26603208Jan 06 12:35
TechrightsSocial@keithccurtis: @schestowitz Here's an article you should post to your readers: http://t.co/LBoAIMNrJan 06 12:35
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schestowitzObama is doing what his backers wanted him to do, Too bad the financial backers were not members of the public but corporations.Jan 06 12:37
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Aurele_D/status/155237325604003841Jan 06 12:39
TechrightsSocial@Aurele_D: @schestowitz That is a really good news! Maybe some corporate will follow the movement of Freedom :-)Jan 06 12:39
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/omfgthelife/status/155232109420744704Jan 06 12:39
TechrightsSocial@omfgthelife: I wish Canonical had called it the UPad @schestowitz Canonical announcing Ubuntu “concept” device at CES http://t.co/hFpJ7kC7 #ubuntu #linuxJan 06 12:39
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MinceR:>Jan 06 12:39
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/l0q0/status/154730031371923456Jan 06 12:39
TechrightsSocial@l0q0: @schestowitz Ideally designers and developers should work together, balancing each other. Form AND function.Jan 06 12:39
MinceRthen someone could make a non-debian-derived distro for it and call it the NoUPadJan 06 12:39
schestowitzHehe https://identi.ca/notice/88192976Jan 06 12:40
TechrightsSocialCould not fetch identi.ca pageJan 06 12:40
schestowitzWell, posts will resume shortly, too fast for the trolls to heckleJan 06 12:40
oiaohmReally designers and coders are normal enemiesJan 06 12:40
oiaohmBecause code and user layout normally need up being different.Jan 06 12:40
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/88081527Jan 06 12:40
schestowitzhis legacy is an "i" in front of wordsJan 06 12:40
TechrightsSocial@satipera (satipera)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jan-12 13:38:59 UTC - Identi.ca: @Schestowisaitz As my Granddad  said to me there is nothing as strange as people. SJ is as he was. He did his little bit and now he is dead.Jan 06 12:41
MinceRoiaohm: well i design UI and write code. does this make me my own enemy? :>Jan 06 12:45
oiaohmMinceR: Most cases yes.Jan 06 12:45
oiaohmMinceR: Its a rare person who can do both and keep the User interface design ahead cutting a gui coner to match up to code under it.Jan 06 12:46
oiaohmMinceR: Ok you might be one of the rare people who can do it.Jan 06 12:47
MinceRdunnoJan 06 12:47
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/keithccurtis/status/155268558698463233?iid=am-156194753213258538840106774&nid=4+status_timestamp&uid=26603208 << utter nonsense from a Microsoft trollJan 06 12:47
TechrightsSocial@keithccurtis: @schestowitz Seems like you care when Bush does something, and make excuses it when Obama does.Jan 06 12:47
MinceRif i generate the UI from code, am i designing the UI or coding? :>Jan 06 12:47
schestowitzwhat if you design and export as code?Jan 06 12:48
schestowitzlike glade doesJan 06 12:48
oiaohmMinceR: That is normally being a coder.  A designer will design the GUI then match the code to it.Jan 06 12:48
oiaohmMinceR: ie that is where the confit comes from.Jan 06 12:48
oiaohmBoth look at the problem from two different directions.Jan 06 12:48
MinceRit's possible to design the GUI while writing the code which generates the dialog.Jan 06 12:59
oiaohmMinceR: designers normally put more homework into how the user will require it to operate as wellJan 06 13:00
oiaohmMinceR: Its not really possible todo it properly in the code development stage in most cases.Jan 06 13:00
oiaohmBasically coder is good if you need a interface in a hurry.Jan 06 13:01
oiaohmdesigner is good if you need that interface to be faster and effective to use.Jan 06 13:01
oiaohmMinceR: same problem two different points of viewJan 06 13:02
oiaohmLeading to massive arguements.Jan 06 13:02
MinceRyou can think in advance, make mockups, rearrange the layout later, etc.Jan 06 13:03
oiaohmThink in advance doing mockups of the interface before coding to far in is a designers path.Jan 06 13:04
oiaohmCoder point is you can do the layout and you can change it latter.  Problem is this does cause other issues.Jan 06 13:05
oiaohmWhen users have been using a interface with stuff in the wrong place.Jan 06 13:05
oiaohmMinceR: Of course some people can manage to split the two logics.Jan 06 13:05
oiaohmMinceR: and use the right one for the task at hand.Jan 06 13:06
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/1140684Jan 06 13:38
schestowitz"Jan 06 13:38
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schestowitzWait a second. o_OJan 06 13:38
schestowitzCoding on tablets, wtf (and I mean serious "big project multiple programmers involved" coding)!? This statement makes it quite hard for me to take the author of the linked article serious.Jan 06 13:38
schestowitzA tablet is wonderful for consuming content, but its limits are too severe for content creation. At work I have two 24" widescreen monitors and they are quite necessary for comfortable coding. I would probably run amok if he took my monitors away and replaced them with a wennie tiny 10" tablet that doesn't even have good multitasking functions.Jan 06 13:38
schestowitzSure, adding comments, checking commits, viewing unit test results, etc... this can work well with a tablet. But actual coding? Not if you're trying to get serious work done.Jan 06 13:38
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schestowitzI agree entirely. Some people replace power with sleek.Jan 06 13:38
oiaohmReally does he not know android.Jan 06 13:40
oiaohmAndroid 4.0 is quite nice pluged into  a 60 inch screen.Jan 06 13:40
MinceRfinding a tablet computer that can control multiple external displays at the same time might prove challenging, thoughJan 06 13:44
MinceRthen again, he technically could display stuff running on the tablet on an arbitrary number of displays using VNC or similar technology...Jan 06 13:45
schestowitzoiaohm: well, only with the right equipment existsJan 06 13:50
oiaohmschestowitz: right equipment exists in protos.Jan 06 13:55
schestowitzthere was a demo a short while back (LG IIRC) where they put Android on massive screens at high resJan 06 14:01
schestowitz!google android screen lg oevrheadJan 06 14:01
TechrightsSocial[1] - Amazon.com: LG Prime Prepaid GoPhone (AT&T) with $15 Airtime ... | http://www.amazon.com/LG-Prime-Prepaid-GoPhone-Airtime/dp/B003SNJ8X6Jan 06 14:01
TechrightsSocial[2] - Google explains why Android animation speed is only now catching ... | http://9to5google.com/2011/12/05/google-explains-why-android-animations-lag-behind-butter-smooth-ios-interface/Jan 06 14:01
TechrightsSocial[3] - How to Remote View and Control Your Android Phone - How-To Geek | http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/42491/how-to-remote-view-and-control-your-android-phone/Jan 06 14:01
TechrightsSocial[4] - Samsung Droid Charge – Verizon Wireless (Review) | Skatter Tech | http://skattertech.com/2011/07/samsung-droid-charge-verizon-wireless-review/Jan 06 14:01
schestowitz!google android big screen lg Jan 06 14:01
TechrightsSocial[1] - LG Cell Phones - Smartphones, Touch Phones - LG Revolution ... | http://www.lg.com/us/mobile-phones/view-all-phones/index.jspJan 06 14:01
TechrightsSocial[2] - Android Based Mobile Phone, Android Mobile ... - LG Electronics | http://www.lg.com/in/mobile-phones/all-phones/LG-smart-phones-GT540.jspJan 06 14:01
TechrightsSocial[3] - LG Nitro HD: Big Screen, Bright Colors, HD Video | NJ.com | http://www.nj.com/jjournal-weeklies/index.ssf/2011/12/lg_nitro_hd_big_screen_bright.htmlJan 06 14:01
TechrightsSocial[4] - Press - Official LG Phone Forum | http://www.lgforum.com/press_releasesJan 06 14:01
schestowitz!google android 60 inchJan 06 14:01
TechrightsSocial[1] - LightPad Creates Up to a 60-inch Projection of Your Smartphone ... | http://phandroid.com/2011/12/19/lightpad-creates-up-to-a-60-inch-projection-of-your-smartphone-screen/Jan 06 14:01
TechrightsSocial[2] - 60-inch | Android and Me | http://androidandme.com/tag/60-inch/Jan 06 14:01
TechrightsSocial[3] - Project Your iPhone or Android Onto An 11″ or 60″ Screen with ... | http://www.jacehallshow.com/blog/project-your-iphone-or-android-onto-an-11-or-60-screen-with-lightpad/Jan 06 14:01
TechrightsSocial[4] - Lenovo LePhone A60 3.5 inch Android 2.3 3G Dual Sim smartphone ... | http://www.merimobiles.com/Lenovo_LePhone_A60_3_5_inch_Android_2_3_3G_Dual_p/meri0699.htmJan 06 14:01
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/1140758 "Santorum will have none of this. "Jan 06 14:09
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/1141030 "Jan 06 15:14
schestowitzDr. Roy I really appreciate all the interesting posts , like this one, that you share here.Jan 06 15:14
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schestowitzThanks!Jan 06 15:14
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schestowitzSo nice to hear thatJan 06 15:14
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/1140782 "Facebook is evil"Jan 06 15:16
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schestowitzI must tell you, an hour ago I spent time in a spiritual event that my friend had dragged me to. There was a famous speaker from  India (Daddi Junki if I recall correctly, bar the spelling) and she spoke about all sorts of issues at a very abstract and religious level. While I may not agree with totally *everything* she says, the ideas can be generalised and applied to oneself at another level; broadly speaking, I do try to Jan 06 22:31
schestowitzlearn the moral delivery that spiritual/religious groups have. The open-mindedness gives broad room for inspiration.Jan 06 22:31
schestowitzBut she also said a lot of nonsenseJan 06 22:32
schestowitzIt was funnyJan 06 22:32
schestowitzThe man who managed the event ensured there were no hecklers in the audienceJan 06 22:32
schestowitzPeople with/under "false pretences"Jan 06 22:32
schestowitzSo I didn't ask hard questionsJan 06 22:32
MinceRDaddy Junky?Jan 06 22:37
MinceR:>Jan 06 22:37
schestowitzYeha, I thought the sameJan 06 22:49
schestowitz!google daddi junyJan 06 22:49
TechrightsSocial[1] - Tarpon: Voodoo Daddy and Poons of June | http://chiwulff.com/2011/07/19/tarpon-voodoo-daddy-and-poons-of-june/Jan 06 22:49
TechrightsSocial[2] - Soul Daddy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soul_DaddyJan 06 22:49
TechrightsSocial[3] - Father's Day - MY DADDY IS BEAUTIFUL | http://mydaddyisbeautiful.com/fathers-dayJan 06 22:49
TechrightsSocial[4] - Soul Daddy Shutters Los Angeles Location, Too - Reality Shutter ... | http://eater.com/archives/2011/06/15/soul-daddy-shutters-los-angeles-location-too.phpJan 06 22:49
schestowitzwait, let me check the spellingJan 06 22:49
schestowitzDaddy's Junkie - noJan 06 22:49
schestowitzNot daddy's junk, eitherJan 06 22:49
schestowitzDadi JankiJan 06 22:50
schestowitzI think it's this thing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahma_Kumaris_World_Spiritual_UniversityJan 06 22:50
TechrightsSocialTitle: Brahma Kumaris World Spiritual University - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 208.85 KBJan 06 22:50
schestowitz"Millenarianist New Religious Movement"Jan 06 22:50
schestowitzFormed 1930Jan 06 22:50
schestowitzSo hey, just call yourself a religionJan 06 22:51
schestowitzIt was interesting seeing the members there, who were actually quite normalJan 06 22:51
schestowitzMy friend told me I was not spiritual enough, so she took me thereJan 06 22:51
schestowitzI'v Jan 06 22:58
schestowitzjust received an E-mail from my friend Joey (or Kim, hisJan 06 22:58
schestowitzMalaysia name), who becomes my business partner. Last year I seriouslyJan 06 22:58
schestowitzthought about moving to Asia for my career. I think the West (AmericaJan 06 22:58
schestowitzand Europe) are on the decline and I get along well with people fromJan 06 22:58
schestowitzAsia. They're calm like me. Some people don't understand this, but it'sJan 06 22:58
schestowitzreally their own loss. In fact, I try not to worry too much about whatJan 06 22:58
schestowitzother people think, unless it's family or someone whom I love.Jan 06 22:59
schestowitzif ythey offered an academic appointment in Asia, that would be cool...Jan 06 22:59
schestowitzOne of the profs among us got a one year placement in SingaporeJan 06 22:59
schestowitzMinceR: just seen https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1143848Jan 06 23:04
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schestowitztoo divisive to reshare in diaspora Jan 06 23:04
MinceR:DJan 06 23:06
MinceRnice comparisonJan 06 23:06
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