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| schestowitz | Also a classic (before kc&jojo) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tv1ibpyYHA&feature=related | Jan 09 00:02 |
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| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/88357527 | Jan 09 14:25 |
| TechrightsSocial | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Monday, 09-Jan-12 14:13:04 UTC - Identi.ca: #JoinDiaspora has been broken for well over a day now. Since the co-founder died it has been flaky and unreliable. Sad. | Jan 09 14:25 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/omfgthelife/status/156377919206334465 | Jan 09 14:25 |
| TechrightsSocial | @omfgthelife: On a sopa box @schestowitz: The business model of Facebook is the very opposite of what the Web was intended to achieve http://t.co/dGabTYeT | Jan 09 14:25 |
| TechrightsSocial | @: | Jan 09 14:25 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwG9pDNSAXA&feature=related | Jan 09 17:58 |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/JazzyWhit/statuses/156391459547906048 | Jan 09 18:00 |
| TechrightsSocial | @JazzyWhit: Microfinance the Lesser-known Dark Side of the Gates Foundation | Techrights http://t.co/vCXDdqH0 | Food for thought on the great Gates | Jan 09 18:00 |
| TechrightsSocial | @: | Jan 09 18:00 |
| schestowitz | Grear? | Jan 09 18:00 |
| schestowitz | Gates is Not Great | Jan 09 18:00 |
| qu1j0t3 | lol | Jan 09 18:01 |
| qu1j0t3 | sounds sarcastic | Jan 09 18:01 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Jan 09 18:01 |
| schestowitz | I need to press on with coding today | Jan 09 18:02 |
| schestowitz | deadline for conference coming up, not done much recently, overslapt every day | Jan 09 18:02 |
| schestowitz | *slept | Jan 09 18:02 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LjpqeZirDqU | Jan 09 18:03 |
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| schestowitz | I like this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_R-SjC3lTWk&feature=related | Jan 09 18:04 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Christopher Hitchens AT HIS BEST .. Drops the Hammer! .. (TheUKatheist) - YouTube .::. Size~: 129.37 KB | Jan 09 18:04 |
| schestowitz | pwning chopra the "charlatan" http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=g0B-cUSX57Q#! | Jan 09 18:17 |
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| schestowitz | seen one like him in Friday... arrogant liar | Jan 09 18:17 |
| schestowitz | kc&jojo disappeared after making 3 identical songs with different lyrics.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41GHAV-HG4U&feature=relmfu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1IBB3rgt6o&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXvMT_mVbqw&feature=relmfu | Jan 09 18:27 |
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| TechrightsSocial | Hello World! I'm TechrightsSocial running phIRCe v0.53 | Jan 09 19:12 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Main Page - Techrights .::. Size~: 39.01 KB | Jan 09 19:13 |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: can we just ban the web gateway already? | Jan 09 19:14 |
| MinceR | it doesn't put info on whether the real host is a tor exit node, so it's very difficult to ban trolls as it is now | Jan 09 19:14 |
| schestowitz | some legit users use it | Jan 09 19:14 |
| MinceR | well, they should get a real client | Jan 09 19:15 |
| schestowitz | and you'd let the troll win by blocking it for legit people | Jan 09 19:15 |
| MinceR | or maybe if they can identify and get a cloak then they wouldn't have the web gateway cloak, i'm not sure | Jan 09 19:15 |
| MinceR | in any case, phirce could automatically ban anyone saying the trolls' favorite website | Jan 09 19:18 |
| MinceR | instead of echoing the title | Jan 09 19:18 |
| MinceR | (that four-letter .in site) | Jan 09 19:18 |
| MinceR | just not printing all the titles from a single line of URLs could help a lot to mitigate the attacks | Jan 09 19:19 |
| MinceR | or we could just set the channel to +m, give all regulars voice on the access list, and present ops could voice unknown people when they're here, and devoice on abuse | Jan 09 19:20 |
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| schestowitz | Did you change channel mode? | Jan 09 19:28 |
| schestowitz | To registered only? | Jan 09 19:28 |
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| TechrightsSocial | Hello World! I'm TechrightsSocial running phIRCe v0.53 | Jan 09 19:35 |
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| MinceR | no | Jan 09 19:39 |
| MinceR | i wasn't even there | Jan 09 19:39 |
| MinceR | btw, maybe quieting *!*@*/gateway/* and voicing people one by one could help a lot | Jan 09 19:39 |
| MinceR | if one can really talk while voiced and quieted (i think they can) | Jan 09 19:40 |
| MinceR | +r is a good idea while an attack is ongoing, though | Jan 09 19:41 |
| MinceR | oops, i meant *!*@gateway/* | Jan 09 20:08 |
| schestowitz | > Hi, Roy, | Jan 09 20:09 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 09 20:09 |
| schestowitz | > I was almost fast enough with the ban. I was able to kick the troll a | Jan 09 20:09 |
| schestowitz | > few times while I looked up the syntax. Unfortunately I took a few | Jan 09 20:09 |
| schestowitz | > tries to get it right and did the name rather than the IP address range. | Jan 09 20:09 |
| schestowitz | The problem was addressed just seconds before I hit "kick" (after I had opped myself). I think the trolls knew that they had limited time. They did a test run yesterday and I noticed this. Now we're better prepared and a whole bunch of trolls just wasted their time. They try to get some attention, so we should give them none. | Jan 09 20:09 |
| schestowitz | Jan 09 20:09 | |
| schestowitz | > When the bot goes off line or is not responding, you're the only one who | Jan 09 20:09 |
| schestowitz | > can start it, right? | Jan 09 20:09 |
| schestowitz | I made some changes to it and put it back online. | Jan 09 20:09 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I know some people who use the gateway for legit stuff, let's leave it as it is for now, trolling is nowhere as bad as it was in 2009 | Jan 09 20:09 |
| MinceR | we can manually voice those people, if i got it right | Jan 09 20:09 |
| MinceR | and i think trolling will get a lot more scarce once we start using _effective_ means of curbing it | Jan 09 20:10 |
| schestowitz | but trolling is veyr rare | Jan 09 20:10 |
| schestowitz | maybe once in months | Jan 09 20:10 |
| MinceR | instead of having a bot that hands them an easy-to-use tool to flood by proxy | Jan 09 20:10 |
| schestowitz | the vandals don't use the gateway | Jan 09 20:10 |
| schestowitz | and the gateway gives away their IP anyway | Jan 09 20:11 |
| MinceR | except today's vandal did use the gateway | Jan 09 20:11 |
| MinceR | and s*it uses it too | Jan 09 20:11 |
| MinceR | and if they use a proxy without the gateway, freenode either doesn't even let them on or at least marks them with a cloak that makes them easier to manage | Jan 09 20:12 |
| MinceR | they get around this by using the web gateway as long as we are unwilling to do anything about the web gateway cloak itself | Jan 09 20:12 |
| schestowitz | if they had no gateway, they'd use other means | Jan 09 20:13 |
| schestowitz | it's like the "War" on "pirvacy" | Jan 09 20:13 |
| schestowitz | oops, interesting typo there | Jan 09 20:13 |
| schestowitz | although the word is fitting, both of them | Jan 09 20:13 |
| MinceR | and we'd find ways to fight them | Jan 09 20:14 |
| MinceR | not fighting the current means doesn't keep them from finding more | Jan 09 20:14 |
| schestowitz | >> The problem was addressed just seconds before I hit "kick" (after | Jan 09 20:29 |
| schestowitz | >> I had opped myself). | Jan 09 20:29 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 09 20:29 |
| schestowitz | > How did you do that? I saw you ban but when I went back through the | Jan 09 20:29 |
| schestowitz | > list of bans, the IP-based ban did not show up, only the user/nickname | Jan 09 20:29 |
| schestowitz | > bans that I had done too late. | Jan 09 20:29 |
| schestowitz | I was AFK when it happened. Usually I'm faster. I have alarms set though. | Jan 09 20:29 |
| schestowitz | >> I made some changes to it and put it back online. | Jan 09 20:29 |
| schestowitz | > | Jan 09 20:29 |
| schestowitz | > It seems one must be a skilled programmer to have any chance of | Jan 09 20:29 |
| schestowitz | > running and IRC channel. | Jan 09 20:29 |
| schestowitz | Tony and Toby did most of the work on the bot (they are in Toronto). | Jan 09 20:29 |
| qu1j0t3 | i didn't do any hardening on it. was it exploited? | Jan 09 20:30 |
| MinceR | it was | Jan 09 20:30 |
| qu1j0t3 | heh | Jan 09 20:30 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: if you want to describe the problem i can fix it | Jan 09 20:31 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: just send me an email | Jan 09 20:31 |
| schestowitz | it wasn't exploited | Jan 09 20:37 |
| schestowitz | it was just lured into parsing many URLs | Jan 09 20:37 |
| schestowitz | So it's more like DOS attack | Jan 09 20:37 |
| MinceR | didn't they take advantage of the fact that if multiple urls are on a line then the bot will print one line for each url? | Jan 09 20:37 |
| MinceR | afaik no other title bot does this | Jan 09 20:37 |
| qu1j0t3 | MinceR: they need to do it, and yes, others do. | Jan 09 20:44 |
| qu1j0t3 | MinceR: it's quite common | Jan 09 20:44 |
| qu1j0t3 | common in lines pasted | Jan 09 20:44 |
| qu1j0t3 | however, throttling etc is easy. | Jan 09 20:44 |
| schestowitz | yeah, that would help, but... | Jan 09 20:46 |
| schestowitz | if the parsing is serialised, then delays may lead to lack of context | Jan 09 20:47 |
| schestowitz | brb | Jan 09 20:47 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: were the requests coming from the same nick? | Jan 09 20:49 |
| MinceR | qu1j0t3: i've seen a couple and none of them did | Jan 09 20:49 |
| qu1j0t3 | MinceR: it's not only done by other bots, it's important functionality. | Jan 09 20:49 |
| MinceR | yes, there was one abuser with one nick flooding | Jan 09 20:50 |
| qu1j0t3 | MinceR: it is very common for lines to have multiple URLs. | Jan 09 20:50 |
| MinceR | qu1j0t3: and those lines lead to a lot of spam | Jan 09 20:50 |
| qu1j0t3 | if it all comes from one nick then just throttle by nick... throttling isn't difficult. | Jan 09 20:50 |
| qu1j0t3 | MinceR: it's a feature that I want. | Jan 09 20:50 |
| qu1j0t3 | MinceR: i'll deal with the spam in other ways. | Jan 09 20:50 |
| MinceR | that said, some domain names could be blocked outright | Jan 09 20:50 |
| qu1j0t3 | besides 1 url per line doesn't help | Jan 09 20:50 |
| MinceR | it does, it turns 10x multiplication of a flood into 1x | Jan 09 20:50 |
| qu1j0t3 | i don't care; i want that feature. the spam can be addressed in other ways. | Jan 09 20:51 |
| qu1j0t3 | HOWEVER | Jan 09 20:51 |
| MinceR | it also keeps the bot from flooding for a long time after the abuser was kicked already | Jan 09 20:51 |
| qu1j0t3 | we could have a limit of say 3 or 4 URLs per line. | Jan 09 20:51 |
| qu1j0t3 | the normal case is 1-3 | Jan 09 20:51 |
| qu1j0t3 | MinceR: the bot can handle that itself. | Jan 09 20:51 |
| MinceR | that reduces the magnification of the flood to 3x..4x, so it's an improvement | Jan 09 20:51 |
| qu1j0t3 | MinceR: the bot can refuse to sniff links if the paster is gone. | Jan 09 20:51 |
| MinceR | or the bot could put those urls in one message, resulting in again a factor of 1 | Jan 09 20:52 |
| qu1j0t3 | it has no features to combat abuse right now, that's easily fixed. | Jan 09 20:52 |
| MinceR | that would be good too | Jan 09 20:52 |
| qu1j0t3 | as long as i have a description of the abuse. | Jan 09 20:52 |
| qu1j0t3 | which i sort-of have, now. | Jan 09 20:52 |
| MinceR | :) | Jan 09 20:52 |
| qu1j0t3 | so thankyou everyone. sigh. i wish i had more time. :< | Jan 09 20:53 |
| qu1j0t3 | working 6 days SUCKS | Jan 09 20:53 |
| MinceR | don't we all | Jan 09 20:53 |
| qu1j0t3 | fuck all this leisure time | Jan 09 20:53 |
| qu1j0t3 | that we're supposed to have | Jan 09 20:53 |
| MinceR | (wish we had more time, that is) | Jan 09 20:53 |
| schestowitz | I've just realised that we lost touch with what happens to FOSS in SE Asia | Jan 09 21:23 |
| schestowitz | I used to write a lot about the Philippines in the context of IT. There is one journalist there, called Chin Wong, whom I followed closely because he wrote in English and did some splendid journalism that inspired mine and provided me with the required information to help the country attain digital autonomy. | Jan 09 21:23 |
| schestowitz | Wong was based in Manila, AFAIK, which I think is almost closest to Taiwan and Japan among the large cities in the Philippines. I know the area fairly well, but I have never been there (expensive flights). My sister was in Thailand recently, but that's further up and she only visited the tourists' areas. | Jan 09 21:23 |
| schestowitz | Been checking a bit about teaching there... | Jan 09 21:24 |
| schestowitz | Seems like a good opportunity | Jan 09 21:24 |
| schestowitz | But they don't have well ranked unis | Jan 09 21:24 |
| schestowitz | > If you were interested to study and learn you can check the websites of | Jan 09 21:24 |
| schestowitz | > all the Universities,aren't you not tired of studying? I mean base in | Jan 09 21:24 |
| schestowitz | > all the achievements,degrees and doctorate you have you still counting | Jan 09 21:24 |
| schestowitz | > on? :-) Personally what you have learned and studied in Manchester is | Jan 09 21:24 |
| schestowitz | > more advance and more competitive than anywhere else. :-) | Jan 09 21:24 |
| schestowitz | Where I work right now (CS) is ranked 15th in the world (there are thousands in total) | Jan 09 21:25 |
| schestowitz | But by working in less renowned place it becomes easier to climb up the career ladder. | Jan 09 21:26 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: remember that the bot has a kicker ability | Jan 09 22:24 |
| schestowitz | the obscenity filter can be used, once accommodated | Jan 09 22:24 |
| MinceR | :) | Jan 09 22:27 |
| MinceR | can it ban too? | Jan 09 22:27 |
| schestowitz | I don't think that it can do that without modification of core code, but should be simple, simply issuing the ban command instead of kick | Jan 09 22:32 |
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