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| DaemonFC | so you can't contribute code from another project that would otherwise have a compatible license | Jan 13 00:00 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @lwnnet Organizing Open Source Efforts at NASA (Linux.com) http://ur1.ca/7ge35 | Jan 13 00:00 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Organizing Open Source Efforts at NASA (Linux.com) [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 8.29 KB | Jan 13 00:00 |
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| DaemonFC | it would be better if they just used the Apache 2.0 license | Jan 13 00:00 |
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| DaemonFC | every time a new license is created, you run the risk of making new mistakes in the language and using something that has not been tested in court | Jan 13 00:01 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @x11r5: @sandersch I am trying to say that it's not dead already google buzz is scheduled to be something i have fits.. :D | Jan 13 00:02 | |
| DaemonFC | you're better off finding an existing license that accomplishes what you are trying to do | Jan 13 00:02 |
| schestowitz | yes, but.. | Jan 13 00:03 |
| schestowitz | you exaggerated a bit | Jan 13 00:04 |
| schestowitz | just checking some flights | Jan 13 00:04 |
| schestowitz | and running a browser over ssh to see if they do upselling | Jan 13 00:04 |
| schestowitz | turns out they don't, based on locations | Jan 13 00:04 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: what SE do you use? | Jan 13 00:06 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Vîrsta de plumb: 64 de ani de la abdicarea forţată http://ur1.ca/7geb9 #romania #monarchy #history #europe #royal | Jan 13 00:08 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Vîrsta de plumb: 64 de ani de la abdicarea forţată - Istorie recentă - Observatorcultural.ro .::. Size~: 63.52 KB | Jan 13 00:08 |
| DaemonFC | SE? | Jan 13 00:17 |
| DaemonFC | search engine? | Jan 13 00:17 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.privacylover.com/encryption/analysis-is-there-a-backdoor-in-truecrypt-is-truecrypt-a-cia-honeypot/ | Jan 13 00:24 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/rcweir/status/157614244584624130?iid=am-8072429913264131392991124&nid=4+status_timestamp&uid=26603208 | Jan 13 00:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Analysis: Is there a backdoor in Truecrypt? Is Truecrypt a CIA honeypot? | Privacy Lover .::. Size~: 37.82 KB | Jan 13 00:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @rcweir: @schestowitz I think we put patents to good use, not only for our stockholders, but to defend open source and open standards. | Jan 13 00:24 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻@ioerror German court confirms that ISP cannot be ordered to manipulate DNS servers to block gambling sites (in DE) ur1.ca/7gem9 | Jan 13 00:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] RT! ♻ @mlinksva: My blog post on Microsoft's anticompetitive new #UEFI secure boot policy for ARM: http://ur1.ca/7gbzj | Jan 13 00:25 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft confirms UEFI fears, locks down ARM devices - SFLC Blog - Software Freedom Law Center .::. Size~: 8.69 KB | Jan 13 00:25 |
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| DaemonFC | I'd be wary of packaging and distributing something for which the authors wish to remain anonymous | Jan 13 00:26 |
| schestowitz | IMHO, a "good" patent is one that's never filed for, i.e. one that leaves knowledge in the hands of the public. What's behind the IBM-Google handovers? | Jan 13 00:26 |
| schestowitz | It would be good PR for IBM if they said they move patents to Google to defend | Jan 13 00:26 |
| DaemonFC | for all kinds of reasons | Jan 13 00:26 |
| DaemonFC | that alone should be enough to keep it out of Fedora no matter what the license claims to be | Jan 13 00:26 |
| DaemonFC | a good patent is one that is registered, but then given a worldwide irrevocable license for anyone to use | Jan 13 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | it keeps hostile parties from registering the patent instead and keeping it all to themselves | Jan 13 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | not registering a patent won't make the bad patent system go away | Jan 13 00:30 |
| DaemonFC | it just leaves the door open for a Microsoft, Oracle, Apple, etc. to come claim it instead and use it anticompetitively | Jan 13 00:30 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: As long as the system is rigged to favor gangster criminals like the MPEG LA, the only thing that can be done is to hack around it however you can | Jan 13 00:34 |
| DaemonFC | in fact, that's what the GPL is there to do | Jan 13 00:34 |
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| schestowitz | That's the other angle | Jan 13 00:35 |
| schestowitz | But... | Jan 13 00:35 |
| schestowitz | IBM has a lot of political power | Jan 13 00:35 |
| schestowitz | and it could help us squash swpats | Jan 13 00:35 |
| schestowitz | curently it does nothing towards that, only the opposite | Jan 13 00:35 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Probably best not to walk under a ladder today! | Jan 13 00:36 |
| schestowitz | Friday the 13th? | Jan 13 00:36 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: yep | Jan 13 00:36 |
| schestowitz | I was told this before | Jan 13 00:36 |
| schestowitz | Earlier today, by someone I love | Jan 13 00:36 |
| sebsebseb | what the ladder thing? | Jan 13 00:36 |
| schestowitz | no | Jan 13 00:36 |
| schestowitz | to be careful | Jan 13 00:36 |
| DaemonFC | "A POX ON YOU!!!!" | Jan 13 00:37 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: you mean today as in FRiday | Jan 13 00:37 |
| sebsebseb | or yesterday asi n Thursday? | Jan 13 00:37 |
| schestowitz | she's superstitious to some extent | Jan 13 00:37 |
| DaemonFC | Al Bundy: "Yeah...like I'd notice!" | Jan 13 00:37 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Jan 13 00:37 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: oh some girl from the gym? | Jan 13 00:37 |
| schestowitz | no | Jan 13 00:37 |
| schestowitz | I don't go into personal life on these channels | Jan 13 00:37 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: you did like once or something with goblin her as well | Jan 13 00:37 |
| sebsebseb | Friday the 13th wikipedia page is good | Jan 13 00:37 |
| sebsebseb | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friday_the_13th | Jan 13 00:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Friday the 13th - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 72.37 KB | Jan 13 00:38 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] !linuxlibre 3.2.1-libre, 3.1.9-libre, 3.0.17-libre and 2.6.32.54-libre2 sources are now available | Jan 13 00:43 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @bramalab: Zapraszamy na warsztat #Arduino dla początkujących: ur1.ca/7gf1x | Arduino workshop for beginners: ur1.ca/7gf2c | Jan 13 01:00 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] RT @thistleweb #Microsoft now paid royalties on 70% of US #Android smartphones http://goo.gl/tvWkC MS are fucking parasites | Jan 13 01:03 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/rcweir/status/157626338470141952 | Jan 13 01:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @rcweir: @schestowitz My personal opinion: I'd prefer a world without guns, but second best is to have a big one. | Jan 13 01:08 |
| schestowitz | IBM is like the NRA :-) | Jan 13 01:09 |
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| scientes | why is my internet connection sucking? | Jan 13 01:12 |
| scientes | i can't figure it out | Jan 13 01:12 |
| schestowitz | Gremlins | Jan 13 01:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Roșia Montană: „Este incredibil de ușor să cumperi un om” http://ur1.ca/7gfjt #romania #rosiamontana #gold #gmc #corruption #politics | Jan 13 01:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RIAA - thoroughbred morons! http://ur1.ca/7gfk8 | Jan 13 01:13 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Scrisoarea unei roșience: Este incredibil de ușor să cumperi un om | TOTB.ro - Think Outside the Box .::. Size~: 409.56 KB | Jan 13 01:13 |
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| scientes | Speed(Down/Up): 224 / 768 Kbps | Jan 13 01:13 |
| scientes | WTF!!! | Jan 13 01:14 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @tekk I know, just you were speculating about a program to filter content. I realize you weren't born then, but have you seen Max Headroom? | Jan 13 01:18 | |
| formic_ | that does suck | Jan 13 01:19 |
| formic_ | got wifi? check your router for connections that are out of place | Jan 13 01:20 |
| formic_ | even wpa can be cracked | Jan 13 01:20 |
| scientes | thats from the router! | Jan 13 01:21 |
| scientes | and there is no wifi | Jan 13 01:21 |
| scientes | I don't get it, did the ISP cut me off? | Jan 13 01:22 |
| formic_ | did you do a speedtest? | Jan 13 01:22 |
| formic_ | have you used torrents recently? perhaps your isp is throttling you for it | Jan 13 01:22 |
| formic_ | mine seems to do that sometimes | Jan 13 01:23 |
| scientes | no, that is what my dsl modem is telling me | Jan 13 01:23 |
| scientes | very punative | Jan 13 01:23 |
| scientes | what ISP do you have? | Jan 13 01:23 |
| formic_ | bell | Jan 13 01:24 |
| formic_ | they have a monopoly on shit | Jan 13 01:24 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @jxself Restricted Boot slowly becoming a reality: http://ur1.ca/7gana | Jan 13 01:25 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft confirms UEFI fears, locks down ARM devices - SFLC Blog - Software Freedom Law Center .::. Size~: 8.69 KB | Jan 13 01:25 |
| scientes | poor old dennis richie | Jan 13 01:26 |
| scientes | formic_, same here | Jan 13 01:26 |
| scientes | no matter how many pieces you break at&t up into it always comes back to gether | Jan 13 01:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Microsoft #UEFI !Linux lock-out on ARM strategy, #WarOnGeneralComputation as anvisioned by @doctorow ur1.ca/7gbzj | Jan 13 01:28 | |
| scientes | I cant really look up other testimonies of blocking cause my internet is too damn slow..... | Jan 13 01:29 |
| scientes | http://www.gametrailers.com/user-movie/cingular-at-t-merger-explained/35939 | Jan 13 01:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Cingular & AT&T Merger Explained | Video Clip | Game Trailers & Videos | GameTrailers.com .::. Size~: 58.87 KB | Jan 13 01:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] I think you'll like it... my son did. Ot was on when I was in college; every guy was mad for Theora (and ogg Theora is named for her :) | Jan 13 01:32 | |
| formic_ | you have bell? or at&t? | Jan 13 01:34 |
| schestowitz | There's still Bell in the US? | Jan 13 01:34 |
| formic_ | I like to compare at&t with the t1000 from terminator 2 | Jan 13 01:34 |
| schestowitz | as an ISP? | Jan 13 01:34 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fsmag/@fsmag] Ping! | Jan 13 01:35 | |
| DaemonFC | -8 degrees Celsius | Jan 13 01:39 |
| DaemonFC | chilly | Jan 13 01:39 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jan 13 01:39 |
| DaemonFC | I better go make some coffee | Jan 13 01:39 |
| DaemonFC | that should warm me up | Jan 13 01:39 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/teradyne/statuses/157549993841008640 | Jan 13 01:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @teradyne: @dragonarchitect Sadly... Granted, I hear Techrights is organizing a boycott of Apple. Maybe they can get RIAA and MPAA added to that. | Jan 13 01:40 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/teradyne/statuses/157551265264574464 | Jan 13 01:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @teradyne: @dragonarchitect http://t.co/dASCbiz0 That's a link to the article itself. Warning: Avoid the comments unless you want your brain to hurt. | Jan 13 01:40 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/teradyne/statuses/157551348181766144 | Jan 13 01:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Jan 13 01:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @teradyne: @MateuMDX http://t.co/dASCbiz0 That's the article. | Jan 13 01:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Jan 13 01:40 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I found that I can save a little bit of money by only heating the side of my apartment opposite Dawn's | Jan 13 01:43 |
| DaemonFC | she keeps her apartment at like 80 degrees anyway | Jan 13 01:43 |
| DaemonFC | so it stays pretty warm just from what comes through the wall | Jan 13 01:43 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jan 13 01:43 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: schestowitz http://www.softwarefreedom.org/blog/2012/jan/12/microsoft-confirms-UEFI-fears-locks-down-ARM/ | Jan 13 01:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft confirms UEFI fears, locks down ARM devices - SFLC Blog - Software Freedom Law Center .::. Size~: 8.69 KB | Jan 13 01:45 |
| sebsebseb | scientes: ^ | Jan 13 01:45 |
| DaemonFC | that's the third time I saw someone post that | Jan 13 01:47 |
| DaemonFC | for what it's worth, the US Copyright Office has declared a DMCA exception for jailbreaking | Jan 13 01:48 |
| DaemonFC | so at least whoever figures out how to pry Vista8 off their ARM system in favor of free software is not breaking the law | Jan 13 01:48 |
| scientes | "Disabling Secure [Boot] MUST NOT be possible on ARM systems." [sic] | Jan 13 01:48 |
| scientes | how does it work? | Jan 13 01:48 |
| formic_ | anything microsoft makes security wise can be broken | Jan 13 01:49 |
| scientes | the only boot loader i've used on ARM is uboot | Jan 13 01:49 |
| scientes | formic_, but it's exactly like apple's shit, which i would NEVER buy | Jan 13 01:49 |
| scientes | and that is why they think they can get away with it on ARM | Jan 13 01:49 |
| formic_ | im not convinced | Jan 13 01:49 |
| DaemonFC | formic_: If they're going to put any effort into making something tough to break, it will be to keep themselves safe from the user | Jan 13 01:49 |
| formic_ | its like like every arm system automatically becomes a microsoft product | Jan 13 01:49 |
| DaemonFC | not to keep the user safe from malware | Jan 13 01:49 |
| formic_ | not like * | Jan 13 01:50 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft is trying to wall off the kernel as much as possible. It won't prevent the typical malware you see now from running. | Jan 13 01:50 |
| DaemonFC | There will still be keyloggers and malware that launches porn ads and shit like that | Jan 13 01:50 |
| formic_ | it wont be hard to build your own x86 or arm based system | Jan 13 01:50 |
| formic_ | http://www.raspberrypi.org/ | Jan 13 01:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Raspberry Pi | An ARM GNU/Linux box for $25. Take a byte! .::. Size~: 44.49 KB | Jan 13 01:51 |
| formic_ | just one example | Jan 13 01:51 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, if it gets as bad as they say it will, I may have to just buy the components for my next PC and put it together myself | Jan 13 01:51 |
| scientes | (or, hypothetically, Vista) | Jan 13 01:51 |
| formic_ | if you want a free software system, don't buy one preloaded with windows 8 | Jan 13 01:51 |
| scientes | LOLOLOLOL, soooo true | Jan 13 01:52 |
| DaemonFC | it beats buying one premade and hoping you can disable Secure Boot after the fact | Jan 13 01:52 |
| scientes | formic_, it's still lock-in | Jan 13 01:52 |
| formic_ | guess what | Jan 13 01:52 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Did you see this? http://slated.org/bbc_censoring_open_source | Jan 13 01:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: BBC Censoring Open Source | Slated .::. Size~: 26.23 KB | Jan 13 01:52 |
| formic_ | you buy a blueray player and its "locked in" | Jan 13 01:52 |
| DaemonFC | I wouldn't even object to Secure Boot as long as the user could install their own keys | Jan 13 01:52 |
| scientes | and an anti-feature http://wiki.mako.cc/Antifeatures | Jan 13 01:52 |
| DaemonFC | but we all know it won't work like that | Jan 13 01:52 |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: oh I think I got onto that from you actsualley on Identica | Jan 13 01:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] #j18 anti #SOPA blackout - could we also have it as anti #ACTA one? just add this link on your blackout page: http://lqdn.fr/noacta | Jan 13 01:53 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: [video] ACTA: Get Informed & Take Action! | La Quadrature du Net .::. Size~: 27.38 KB | Jan 13 01:53 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: yes, I am going to write about it too | Jan 13 01:54 |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: ok :) | Jan 13 01:54 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: apparnatly the actsual guy used the word open source though in the speech | Jan 13 01:54 |
| scientes | http://wiki.mako.cc/Antifeatures#Coke_Retail_Fridges | Jan 13 01:55 |
| scientes | holy shit | Jan 13 01:55 |
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| DaemonFC | "The CPU came in two flavours... cheap and slow vs fast and 'spensive. " | Jan 13 01:56 |
| DaemonFC | Intel still does that | Jan 13 01:56 |
| DaemonFC | AMD's CPU range is more reasonable | Jan 13 01:57 |
| DaemonFC | for price of CPU vs performance you can expect from it | Jan 13 01:57 |
| scientes | DaemonFC, they way they turn off cores and such | Jan 13 01:57 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: and you read about Corel releaseing a propritary for sale, graphics app, to Linux as wel right? | Jan 13 01:57 |
| scientes | and now that they have gated core power there is no reason not to have more, always | Jan 13 01:57 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: I mean having it for Linux as well | Jan 13 01:57 |
| formic_ | I don't think secure boot will really effect anyone who is willing to do what it takes to get a free software based computer | Jan 13 01:57 |
| DaemonFC | I've found that when Intel does that, it's usually nothing wrong with the CPU, they jsut need to make more crippled CPUs to sell as Celerons or Pentium Ds or something | Jan 13 01:58 |
| DaemonFC | whatever they call their crippled CPUs now | Jan 13 01:58 |
| sebsebseb | formic_: true | Jan 13 01:58 |
| formic_ | it just effects people who want to buy a cheap computer from a cheap oem | Jan 13 01:58 |
| scientes | market segmentation | Jan 13 01:58 |
| DaemonFC | when AMD does it, it usually is because that core was defective | Jan 13 01:58 |
| sebsebseb | formic_: ,but the main stremae it could effect, and without them knowing | Jan 13 01:58 |
| scientes | that the official word | Jan 13 01:58 |
| scientes | DaemonFC, not really | Jan 13 01:58 |
| sebsebseb | formic_: and then one day, if things get locked down etc, some may want to go Linux, and then not just be able to install a distro of course | Jan 13 01:58 |
| sebsebseb | formic_: onto that computer/device | Jan 13 01:58 |
| sebsebseb | that's the thing | Jan 13 01:58 |
| scientes | there are AMD motherboards with "core-unlock", that are very popular | Jan 13 01:58 |
| formic_ | people who want linux will get real computers | Jan 13 01:59 |
| scientes | all all the Phenom II's are either 4 or 6 core | Jan 13 01:59 |
| scientes | and they sell alot of 3-core, 2core "athlon", etc | Jan 13 01:59 |
| sebsebseb | formic_: or Macs? | Jan 13 01:59 |
| sebsebseb | for some | Jan 13 01:59 |
| sebsebseb | and I mean to put Linux on there as well | Jan 13 01:59 |
| scientes | formic_, cheap computer's arn't bad | Jan 13 01:59 |
| formic_ | people who want to *try* linux can get still get virtualbox | Jan 13 01:59 |
| scientes | I have always used ECS motherboards for example, cheap shit | Jan 13 02:00 |
| formic_ | ECS sucks balls | Jan 13 02:00 |
| sebsebseb | formic_: yep and maybe Wubi can work with this secure boot stuff, some how, for example | Jan 13 02:00 |
| formic_ | the most defective motherboards i've ever seen in my life | Jan 13 02:00 |
| DaemonFC | Intel Pentium G6951 | Jan 13 02:00 |
| DaemonFC | Intel started to limit its processors capabilities by requiring users to pay extra $50 to enable some of the already-included (but disabled) features. | Jan 13 02:00 |
| DaemonFC | This will probably require all users of this processor to install proprietary software on their computers to be able to make use of their hardware and it will limit GNU/Linux users' abilities. | Jan 13 02:00 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 13 02:00 |
| DaemonFC | well, that is what you'd expect from Intel | Jan 13 02:00 |
| formic_ | DaemonFC - Intel doesn't hate Linux | Jan 13 02:01 |
| scientes | "accepting only regionnally bought cartridges (HP zoned the world the same way as DVD !!) " | Jan 13 02:01 |
| DaemonFC | the software that flips on those capabilities is only available for Windows | Jan 13 02:01 |
| scientes | motherfuckers | Jan 13 02:01 |
| DaemonFC | and has to be running for it to work | Jan 13 02:01 |
| formic_ | https://meego.com/ | Jan 13 02:01 |
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| formic_ | meego was moblin, which was started by Intel | Jan 13 02:02 |
| scientes | "Usually contracts for IBM-compatible mainframes explicitly requested the range of MIPS for the hardware, a mainframe with a lesser range being penalised as that implied a major upgrade would be required sooner. " | Jan 13 02:04 |
| scientes | alot of motherboard also turn off virtualization features by default | Jan 13 02:05 |
| scientes | and some don't even let you turn them on | Jan 13 02:05 |
| scientes | http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/advantages/resiliency/datadriven/cuod.html | Jan 13 02:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: IBM System z - Business resiliency: Data Driven - CUoD .::. Size~: 26.83 KB | Jan 13 02:06 |
| formic_ | thats why you buy a motherboard you can use to build your own computer | Jan 13 02:06 |
| DaemonFC | Amarok | Jan 13 02:07 |
| DaemonFC | The Amarok Player Development Team implemented a feature which downloads covers of Albums from amazon.com on the fly. Amazon forced the amarok team to implement a feature which deletes the downloaded copies of the cover art work after a week. | Jan 13 02:07 |
| DaemonFC | DAMN IT | Jan 13 02:07 |
| formic_ | they won't disappear off the shelves without the companies that make them going out of business | Jan 13 02:07 |
| scientes | http://www.boingboing.net/2010/09/19/intel-drm-a-crippled.html | Jan 13 02:09 |
| scientes | creepy | Jan 13 02:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Intel + DRM: a crippled processor that you have to pay extra to unlock - Boing Boing .::. Size~: 32.38 KB | Jan 13 02:09 |
| scientes | its like processor-id | Jan 13 02:09 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder if there are other cover art plugins for Amarok | Jan 13 02:09 |
| DaemonFC | Wikipedia has a pretty good collection of album covers | Jan 13 02:09 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] You can beat the WikiLeaks banking blockade http://t.co/grzvfZym | Jan 13 02:12 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Jan 13 02:12 |
| DaemonFC | [21:09] <DaemonFC> Kevin_Kofler: Got a question for you about Amarok | Jan 13 02:14 |
| DaemonFC | [21:10] <DaemonFC> Is it true that Amarok deletes cover art from your hard drive after a week because Amazon asked them to? | Jan 13 02:14 |
| DaemonFC | [21:10] <DaemonFC> If so, is there a way Fedora could consider patching it to remove that limitation? | Jan 13 02:14 |
| DaemonFC | [21:12] <Kevin_Kofler> AFAIK, Amarok doesn't use cover art from Amazon anymore, it fetches it from last.fm now. | Jan 13 02:14 |
| DaemonFC | [21:12] <Kevin_Kofler> Amazon doesn't allow music players to use their cover art anymore at all. | Jan 13 02:14 |
| DaemonFC | [21:12] <DaemonFC> oh, well it doesn't say anywhere where it gets it from | Jan 13 02:14 |
| DaemonFC | [21:12] <DaemonFC> perhaps I came across some old info | Jan 13 02:14 |
| DaemonFC | I decided to check into that in #fedora-kde | Jan 13 02:14 |
| formic_ | interesting | Jan 13 02:15 |
| sebsebseb | formic_: this is interesting | Jan 13 02:17 |
| sebsebseb | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/12/drone_consoles_linux_switch/ | Jan 13 02:17 |
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| scientes | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EURion_constellation | Jan 13 02:19 |
| scientes | interesting | Jan 13 02:19 |
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| scientes | DaemonFC, I met someone using amazon for the online catalog of their library | Jan 13 02:20 |
| scientes | (physical library) | Jan 13 02:21 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻@Asher_Wolf FBI's computer technician claims he can't retrieve emails. No problem getting into Manning's computer tho http://t.co/lpudLbGc | Jan 13 02:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @wikileaks: You can beat the WikiLeaks banking blockade http://t.co/grzvfZym | Jan 13 02:22 | |
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| scientes | formic_, computers depend on interoperability | Jan 13 02:26 |
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| formic_ | don't buy a locked down computer | Jan 13 02:26 |
| scientes | microsoft blocking installing just adds to the number of things that don't work because of greedy companies and allocated monopolies | Jan 13 02:26 |
| scientes | as was said before in here | Jan 13 02:26 |
| scientes | allocated monopolies are the source of many of our problems | Jan 13 02:27 |
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| formic_ | I don't submit to fear | Jan 13 02:29 |
| formic_ | Don't worry about me, I plan to file monopoly complaints if I'm wrong | Jan 13 02:30 |
| formic_ | All the Canadian authorities need is proof that you can't get a computer unless it has monopoly software on it. | Jan 13 02:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxconfau/@linuxconfau] Missed out on the Observatory tour on Friday 20th? Second tour for Monday 16th announced! #LCA2012 http://bit.ly/yaeUOU | Jan 13 02:33 | |
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| scientes | "Mains Water | Jan 13 02:34 |
| scientes | I have a 96 year old neighbour who still remembers when mains water first arrived in our suburb. He said at the time, that the government wouldn't allow people to build water tanks for their houses, because they wanted people to use mains water. Ah the irony... " | Jan 13 02:34 |
| scientes | lol | Jan 13 02:34 |
| formic_ | there is a difference there though | Jan 13 02:34 |
| formic_ | the UN requires that be centralized | Jan 13 02:34 |
| scientes | formic_, agreed that it is quite differn't | Jan 13 02:35 |
| formic_ | I don't have any evidence that centralization of operating systems is needed | Jan 13 02:36 |
| formic_ | its not in the UN dox i've read | Jan 13 02:36 |
| DaemonFC | https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_alpha3 | Jan 13 02:37 |
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| formic_ | if we see governments start making free software illegal, then ill start worrying | Jan 13 02:38 |
| formic_ | im more worried about software patents than I am about secure boot | Jan 13 02:39 |
| formic_ | software patents mean microshaft will earn money on stuff they never wrote | Jan 13 02:39 |
| formic_ | microsoft makes money from samsung and lg now for android | Jan 13 02:42 |
| formic_ | they could give up windows phone, and make more money than they would with their phone | Jan 13 02:42 |
| formic_ | daemonfc - mageia is gonna get better very soon | Jan 13 02:44 |
| formic_ | mandriva is going down the tubes, less competition | Jan 13 02:44 |
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| scientes | fedora doesn't even have wget by default | Jan 13 03:07 |
| formic_ | yum install wget | Jan 13 03:08 |
| scientes | you have to use curl with redirection | Jan 13 03:08 |
| scientes | yes i know | Jan 13 03:08 |
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| DaemonFC | http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?68199-Intel-Wants-YOUR-Linux-Questions-Feedback&p=246721#post246721 | Jan 13 03:30 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ piratepartyca: RT @embedprivacy: Concerned about "lawful access" legislation? Visit our NEW site http://ur1.ca/7gi8j to http://ur1. ... | Jan 13 03:32 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] How Much Do Music and Movie #Piracy Really Hurt the U.S. Economy? http://www.ur1.ca/7gi8n !copyright #spin #slantedstatistics !CDNpoli | Jan 13 03:33 | |
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| DaemonFC | Not buying anything from them is the same as "piracy" in their world. | Jan 13 03:34 |
| DaemonFC | They have to blame someone for sales dropping year over year, and it can't be that the quality of their products has gone down | Jan 13 03:34 |
| DaemonFC | They make piracy their whipping boy for everything they do to hurt their own sales | Jan 13 03:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] The writer who made millions by self-publishing online http://gu.com/p/34jzc #SelfPublishing | Jan 13 03:35 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The writer who made millions by self-publishing online | Books | The Guardian .::. Size~: 251.3 KB | Jan 13 03:35 |
| DaemonFC | "Maybe nobody wants Windows Vista. Damned pirates!" | Jan 13 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | "Maybe nobody wants to listen to Justin Bieber! Fucking pirates!" | Jan 13 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | it's getting to where all you have to do is laugh and wonder if they believe their own lies or not | Jan 13 03:36 |
| brendyn | i wouldnt be a lie if they believed it | Jan 13 03:37 |
| DaemonFC | sure it would | Jan 13 03:38 |
| DaemonFC | the labels have shareholders | Jan 13 03:38 |
| DaemonFC | I think the labels lie and blame piracy for everything to save their own jobs | Jan 13 03:39 |
| DaemonFC | shareholders realize that the management is really that incompetent, and heads start rolling | Jan 13 03:39 |
| brendyn | but the one believing it isn't the liar | Jan 13 03:39 |
| DaemonFC | at least that's my thoughts on it | Jan 13 03:39 |
| DaemonFC | brendyn: There's a term for it | Jan 13 03:40 |
| DaemonFC | people that have lied so much they start believing the lie themselves | Jan 13 03:40 |
| brendyn | i'm interested in knowing it | Jan 13 03:40 |
| brendyn | either way, it's no longer a lie if they believe it | Jan 13 03:40 |
| brendyn | lying is knowlingly deceiving | Jan 13 03:41 |
| DaemonFC | http://extratorrent.com/article/637/riaa+recouped+only+2+5+spent+on+litigation+in+2008.html | Jan 13 03:41 |
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| DaemonFC | they're not even breaking even with their legal fees | Jan 13 03:41 |
| DaemonFC | their victims usually have to give up and file bankruptcy | Jan 13 03:42 |
| DaemonFC | and the RIAA's lawyers still have to be paid | Jan 13 03:42 |
| DaemonFC | the lawsuits were never about profit, they were an attempt at creating a terror | Jan 13 03:42 |
| formic_ | finanical terrorists | Jan 13 03:43 |
| DaemonFC | they're tired of setting $10 million a year on fire in legal fees | Jan 13 03:44 |
| DaemonFC | and that's just the RIAA | Jan 13 03:44 |
| DaemonFC | so that's why they want SOPA so badly | Jan 13 03:44 |
| DaemonFC | they turn over the liability and fees of policing the web to US taxpayers | Jan 13 03:44 |
| scientes | http://revealingerrors.com/images/fb_deal_fail.jpg | Jan 13 03:45 |
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| DaemonFC | I consider the idea that you save money by spending money to be amusing | Jan 13 03:46 |
| DaemonFC | spending money is the opposite of saving money | Jan 13 03:46 |
| scientes | yes, but this is even funnier | Jan 13 03:47 |
| DaemonFC | http://it.slashdot.org/story/12/01/12/0438226/symantec-sued-for-running-fake-scareware-scans | Jan 13 03:52 |
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| DaemonFC | "But Symantec certainly has a history of exaggerating threats to boost sales. In one message that Symantec showed in 2010 to users whose antivirus subscriptions expired, it warned that ”Any second now a virus might infect your computer, malicious malware might be installed, or your identity may be stolen. Maybe things will be OK for a while longer. Then again, maybe cybercriminals are about to clean out your bank account. The choice is yours: | Jan 13 03:54 |
| DaemonFC | Protect yourself now, or beg for mercy.”" | Jan 13 03:55 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Jan 13 03:55 |
| scientes | "$monitor = array( '42107457' => 1, '9359890' => 1); | Jan 13 03:57 |
| scientes | / Put baddies (hotties?) in here | Jan 13 03:57 |
| scientes | Stored in central db on profile_views. | Jan 13 03:57 |
| scientes | Helpful for law enforcement to monitor stalkers and stalkees. */" | Jan 13 03:57 |
| scientes | from facebook source code | Jan 13 03:57 |
| scientes | http://revealingerrors.com/show_me_the_code | Jan 13 03:57 |
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| scientes | http://www.slashgear.com/nvidia-opposes-sopa-publicly-12209096/ | Jan 13 04:26 |
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| scientes | http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-57358082-501465/the-daily-show-host-jon-stewart-says-hell-brush-up-on-sopa/ | Jan 13 04:26 |
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| scientes | http://www.extremetech.com/computing/113275-the-pirate-bay-is-immune-to-sopa | Jan 13 04:27 |
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| scientes | "Nevada State AFL-CIO is supporting two bills before Congress: the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) in the House and the Protect Intellectual Property Act (PROTECT-IP) in the Senate" | Jan 13 04:27 |
| scientes | corrupt ass fuckers | Jan 13 04:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @thistleweb The writer who made millions by self-publishing online http://www.ur1.ca/7gj7d !SelfPub #Hocking | Jan 13 04:30 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @deejf ♺ @selfpubreview: New Post: Authors Need Analytics for Ebooks http://www.ur1.ca/7gj8f !selfpub | Jan 13 04:32 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Self-Publishing Review | Blog | Authors Need Analytics for Ebooks .::. Size~: 46.49 KB | Jan 13 04:32 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] some dark foresty photos: http://tumblr.com/ZMDc9xEhPdvG | Jan 13 04:43 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] winter is coming: http://tumblr.com/ZMDc9xEhPDye ... http://tumblr.com/ZMDc9xEhOwJo ... http://tumblr.com/ZMDc9xEhOHeD | Jan 13 04:45 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxconfau/@linuxconfau] Going to the #LCA2012 Monday night BBQ? Help @xrobau by ensuring you sign up so he knows numbers! http://bit.ly/yGd5cU kthxbai | Jan 13 04:47 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.psdisasters.com/2008/05/gq-gentlemen-prefer-bobbleheads.html | Jan 13 04:55 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Time is why things don't spontaneously assemble (All Kinds Of Time blog): http://bit.ly/xkNek1 | Jan 13 05:00 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Enough already! There should be a limit till when you can wish someone "happy new year ". #fb | Jan 13 05:02 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.psdisasters.com/2012/01/top-10-photoshop-disasters-of-2011.html | Jan 13 05:07 |
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| formic_ | I want raspberry pi | Jan 13 05:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] I'll accept your numbers b/c I'm mathematically challenged, @parlementum I think the point would be to enjoy #AroundTheWorldin80Books :) | Jan 13 05:25 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] The Cyclic Nature of Time (All Kinds of Time blog): http://bit.ly/xoeszh | Jan 13 05:27 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Microsoft warns of lower profits as PC sales shrink http://gu.com/p/34jdt aww diddums, not much sympathy when they force you to buy | Jan 13 05:43 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] maybe #Microsoft could try something new, like creating a product people actually WANT to use and pay for.....oh wait, too radical | Jan 13 05:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Reader’s Picks Debian is now the most popular Linux distribution on web servers UK Government Betrayal of Open St http://ur1.ca/7glp5 | Jan 13 05:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] RT @ Reader’s Picks Debian is now the most popular Linux distribution on web servers UK Government Betrayal of Open St http://ur1. ... | Jan 13 05:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] A brief history of time keeping (All Kinds of Time blog): http://bit.ly/xr3zbE | Jan 13 05:58 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @rysiek: I'M IN UR BASEMENT HACKING UR SPACE! /at Warsaw Hackerspace @hackerspacepl :) | Jan 13 06:00 | |
| scientes | <formic_> I want raspberry pi | Jan 13 06:01 |
| scientes | what are you going to use it for? | Jan 13 06:01 |
| scientes | the sheevaplug is available now, and is reasonable priced in comparison on the watts/$, MIPS/$, RAM/$ ratios | Jan 13 06:02 |
| scientes | however does the rasberry pi have a VFP unit? they said they can't support ubuntu cause it is moving to armhf debian base | Jan 13 06:03 |
| DaemonFC | they can't support Ubuntu because Ubuntu can't support Ubuntu | Jan 13 06:07 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jan 13 06:07 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: RT @NeelieKroesEU: @CH232 yes, also on google+ my team posts for me there http://p.ost.im/p/eaDSQ3 | Jan 13 06:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: RT @DigitalAgendaEU: The @EU_Commission public consultation "Lighting the Future" - Take part until 29.02.2 http://p.ost.im/p/eaPXvS | Jan 13 06:12 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] I think you answered your own question. | Jan 13 06:13 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] RT @evan .ispent185000dollarsandalligotwasthislousytld | Jan 13 06:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] It's pretty much a boot stamping on a human face forever. | Jan 13 06:20 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Also, I'm sick of getting SOPA-rolled from you. I can't get past your political nagware to read your blog. My only consolation is that... | Jan 13 06:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] ...once SOPA passes infohippie bloggers like you will be the first ones up against the wall. | Jan 13 06:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ | Jan 13 06:23 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] ...and once I figure it out, *I* am the headline quote. Awesome. | Jan 13 06:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @evan Hate to interrupt awesomeness, but search is dead: "client version is higher than daemon version (client is v.1.25, daemon is v.1.22)" | Jan 13 06:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Let the record show that I don't _actually_ support infohippie ethnic cleansing. | Jan 13 06:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @speeddefrost: Thanks to @evan, my new favorite word: infohippie | Jan 13 06:58 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellogauthor/@kernellogauthor] New #longterm #linux #kernel are out: 2.6.32.54 http://bit.ly/xqFghQ 3.0.17 http://bit.ly/zWjtLh | Jan 13 07:10 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellogauthor/@kernellogauthor] New #stable #linux #kernel are out: 3.1.9 http://bit.ly/w9mios 3.2.1 http://bit.ly/yFZB9a Note: 3.1 will be EOL soon, so switch to 3.2! | Jan 13 07:12 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] Apparently @OrangeKenya's 21mbps is not countrywide, hell even some Nairobi suburbs aren't covered ... | Jan 13 07:15 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @kevie: Good morning !identiverse !tzag :) | Jan 13 07:23 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellogauthor/@kernellogauthor] Nice: Some merge messages now often land in git, too; see http://bit.ly/z5v9Wd for an example and http://bit.ly/zmSzjW for some background | Jan 13 07:50 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] RT @thistleweb #Microsoft warns of lower profits as PC sales shrink http://gu.com/p/34jdt aww diddums, not much sympathy when they force ... | Jan 13 07:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] RT @thistleweb The writer who made millions by self-publishing online http://gu.com/p/34jzc #SelfPublishing | Jan 13 07:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] RT @laurelrusswurm How Much Do Music and Movie #Piracy Really Hurt the U.S. Economy? http://www.ur1.ca/7gi8n !copyright #spin #slantedst ... | Jan 13 07:52 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Last time this week I have to travel to central London....I really hate commuting. | Jan 13 08:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Indian computer tablet could herald an internet revolution - http://bit.ly/AosuwM mentions #Apple but *not* #android - typical guardian bias | Jan 13 08:30 | |
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| schestowitz | morning all | Jan 13 08:31 |
| schestowitz | so my overnight experiments went so-and-so.. | Jan 13 08:31 |
| schestowitz | Happy Friday the 13th | Jan 13 08:34 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Andaman Islanders 'forced to dance' for tourists - video http://goo.gl/s4AEs | Jan 13 08:35 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Steve Bell on video of US marines urinating on dead Taliban fighters – cartoon http://gu.com/p/34k7t | Jan 13 08:37 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Steve Bell on video of US marines urinating on dead Taliban fighters – cartoon | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 242.71 KB | Jan 13 08:37 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @sweet "Eben 'Spying for Free' Moglen" glol!!! !fsf !gnu !humor #nicknames #apodos http://ur1.ca/7fmr4 | Jan 13 08:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Simply SimplyMEPIS 11.0 http://is.gd/UWThVr #SimplyMEPIS #gnu #linux | Jan 13 08:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Kernel Log: 15,000,000 lines, 3.0 promoted to long-term kernel http://is.gd/OsczX2 #kernel #linux | Jan 13 08:43 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] Are there any Free Software web developers in Spain that would like to work on OpenERP or TYPO3 for a Swiss company? Drop me a line. | Jan 13 08:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Raspberry Pi makes the sub-$100 PC a reality http://is.gd/DIcW5b #linux #economics | Jan 13 08:55 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Gentoo 12 review – the product of an established community http://is.gd/7h1QZg #gnu #linux | Jan 13 08:57 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] MT @ggreve Are there any Free sw web developers in Spain that would like to work on OpenERP or TYPO3 for Swiss company? Drop me a line. | Jan 13 09:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Scotland Yard Report Finds British Citizen Was Tortured in Secret CIA Site - http://bit.ly/xiqnC0 nice US bullying too (v @WLLegal) #torture | Jan 13 09:13 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Witcher 2 Devs Abandon Games Piracy Shakedown - http://bit.ly/yMUMr3 rightly decides reputation with fans more important | Jan 13 09:17 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Leaked screenshots reveal new details on #Nokia #N9 #MeeGo update http://is.gd/9Imidb #linux | Jan 13 09:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] why, @x11r5, are you trying to get rid of me? | Jan 13 09:20 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Leaked screenshots reveal new details on Nokia N9 MeeGo update - Engadget .::. Size~: 88.26 KB | Jan 13 09:20 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @glynmoody Scotland Yard Report Finds British Citizen Was Tortured in Secret CIA Site - http://bit.ly/xiqnC0 nice US bullying too (v ... | Jan 13 09:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @thistleweb @inscius never underestimate the power of greed | Jan 13 09:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @muelnet Just watched a youtube ad that was longer than the video it preceded. #annoyed | Jan 13 09:22 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] !tzaf !identiverse | Jan 13 09:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Tizen OS alpha released, may debut on Samsung I9500 smartphone http://is.gd/70ysDR #tizen #linux | Jan 13 09:23 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "Kenyan media has been awash with reports that cyber cafes are ditching proprietary software" http://is.gd/UIdFYz #kenya #linux | Jan 13 09:27 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Wikimedia Foundation Report, December 2011 - http://bit.ly/xTET4s interesting facts, good news on finance #wikipedia | Jan 13 09:28 | |
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| schestowitz | #https://identi.ca/notice/88576894 | Jan 13 09:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Friday, 13-Jan-12 09:22:04 UTC - Identi.ca: #Canonical seeking testers for Unity 5.0 http://is.gd/cH1Bew #ubuntu #gnu #linux | Jan 13 09:30 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Coming soon: a world without #money and #banks - http://bit.ly/AcWZPU so ways the Governor of the Bank of England | Jan 13 09:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] AdaCamp aims to boost women's participation in open tech http://is.gd/hlOuTh #AdaCamp | Jan 13 09:30 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Forscher finden einfachste Wege zur Klimakühlung - http://bit.ly/xcHubr that's good #climatechange | Jan 13 09:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #FreeBSD 9.0-RELEASE Announcement http://is.gd/Wf7goc #bsd #unix | Jan 13 09:33 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] MT @ggreve Are there any Free sw web developers in Spain that would like to work on OpenERP or TYPO3 for Swiss company? Drop me a line. | Jan 13 09:43 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] wow. http://ur1.ca/7gr19 | Jan 13 10:08 | |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: http://uk.pc.ign.com/articles/121/1216416p1.html | Jan 13 10:13 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Batman must sure hate Lisp... ur1.ca/7grga !lol | Jan 13 10:33 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Hm. This is weird. Is the internet sick or is sth strange happening in the background? Traffic dropped significantly, ... http://b1t.it/aulf | Jan 13 11:18 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Jan Wildeboer - Google+ - Hm. This is weird. Is the internet sick or is sth strange… .::. Size~: 53.31 KB | Jan 13 11:18 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #techrights log #boycottnovell log #boycottnovell-social log #techbytes log Enter the IRC channels now | Jan 13 11:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] RT @ #techrights log #boycottnovell log #boycottnovell-social log #techbytes log Enter the IRC channels now | Jan 13 11:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Google, what were you thinking? - http://bit.ly/A08Bqi #google being somewhat evil in #kenya (v @PeteDotAscian) | Jan 13 11:23 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] whoops - Google in Kenya story also via @StormySan | Jan 13 11:27 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] A few Polish NGOs are considering joining the #j18 #SOPA blackout with our own #ACTA blackout. msg me if interested /cc @telecomix | Jan 13 12:13 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] MY EYES! THE GOGGLES DO NOTHING! http://ur1.ca/45cl2 !lol !webdev | Jan 13 12:35 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Like someone slowly going senile, my old (read: backup) work laptop keyboard is sloly losing its ability to produce Q's and W's. | Jan 13 12:37 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fsmag/@fsmag] What happens when somebody offers music under a free license, and then the license gets swapped later? http://fsmsh.com/3663 | Jan 13 12:52 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mattl/@mattl] Another 7:35 start... coffee time. | Jan 13 12:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fsmag/@fsmag] Video editing with Blender VSE: "It's complicated" http://fsmsh.com/3675 | Jan 13 12:58 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mattl/@mattl] Interesting read: http://identi.ca/url/64544882 | Jan 13 13:02 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @evgenymorozov: Busted: Google gets caught scraping Kenya’s biggest business listings database http://t.co/NeRH5hRH | Jan 13 13:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Truly amazing. http://ur1.ca/7gun9 | Jan 13 13:03 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mattl/@mattl] It's always coffee time. | Jan 13 13:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mattl/@mattl] Wrath of Newt!: http://identi.ca/url/64545016 via @m413com | Jan 13 13:05 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Why #Apple Will Not Be Part Of The Real #Tablet Revolution - http://bit.ly/znd30E but will still make loads of dosh #education | Jan 13 13:08 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Microsoft confirms UEFI fears, locks down ARM devices - http://bit.ly/wBCeti Software Freedom Law Center follows up the story | Jan 13 13:13 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ piratepartyca: Re Previous article: We disagree that piracy is a problem; it's forcing a 19th century model of limited http://ur1. ... | Jan 13 13:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ piratepartyca: RT @CopyrightLaw: “Copyright Sage Bill Patry On What Content Owners Should Do Now” http://t.co/p1uKMLeH | Jan 13 13:15 | |
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| oiaohm | There windows lock down plans on UEFI on arm kinda will require more serous look at building Linux only devices | Jan 13 13:24 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] RT @glynmoody Microsoft confirms UEFI fears, locks down ARM devices - http://bit.ly/wBCeti Software Freedom Law Center follows up the story | Jan 13 13:25 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft confirms UEFI fears, locks down ARM devices - SFLC Blog - Software Freedom Law Center .::. Size~: 8.69 KB | Jan 13 13:25 |
| iophk | ""Disabling Secure [Boot] MUST NOT be possible on ARM systems." [sic] Between these two requirements, any ARM device that ships with Windows 8 will never run another operating system," | Jan 13 13:32 |
| oiaohm | Secure boot is possible in Arm | Jan 13 13:38 |
| oiaohm | Lot of mobile phones are done that way. | Jan 13 13:38 |
| oiaohm | Reason why breaking them is a prick. | Jan 13 13:38 |
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| cubezzz | why must disabling secure boot on arm system not be possible? | Jan 13 13:56 |
| cubezzz | never understood that part | Jan 13 13:56 |
| MinceR | because m$ collectively shits themselves at the thought of having to compete in that market | Jan 13 13:57 |
| MinceR | so they'll try to coerce all OEMs into being vista8-only | Jan 13 13:57 |
| MinceR | maybe they keep telling themselves that this way not having any applications whatsoever won't kill them | Jan 13 13:58 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: Its like trying to disable secure boot on a xbox 360 | Jan 13 13:59 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, that's interesting but I | Jan 13 13:59 |
| cubezzz | I | Jan 13 13:59 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: the code embeded in the chip | Jan 13 13:59 |
| cubezzz | I'd never buy a microsoft xbox | Jan 13 13:59 |
| oiaohm | Where you cannot change it. | Jan 13 13:59 |
| cubezzz | now if Toshiba was secure boot or Panasonic I'd really worry | Jan 13 13:59 |
| cubezzz | I expect Microsoft made junk to do stupid stuff | Jan 13 14:00 |
| MinceR | also, m$ probably believes that they can get away with it on ARM more easily | Jan 13 14:01 |
| cubezzz | two Lenovo laptops, X60 and T60 are coreboot compatible now | Jan 13 14:01 |
| MinceR | since it's sort of accepted in some ARM-based devices | Jan 13 14:01 |
| cubezzz | so I'll probably just get a used Lenovo | Jan 13 14:01 |
| cubezzz | well, that's why we need hackers :) | Jan 13 14:01 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Typing at 255 WPM shouldn't cost $4000: Plover, the open source steno system | http://red.ht/wxjYwd | Jan 13 14:02 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Typing at 255 WPM shouldn't cost $4000: Plover, the open source steno system | opensource.com .::. Size~: 56.46 KB | Jan 13 14:02 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: really the good part is foss based hardware is starting to appear. | Jan 13 14:02 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, such as..? | Jan 13 14:02 |
| cubezzz | Kim-1? :) | Jan 13 14:02 |
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| MinceR | i think we need people who will make these people understand that this sort of shit will not fly | Jan 13 14:03 |
| MinceR | ballmer wants global fascism, but i do not | Jan 13 14:04 |
| cubezzz | oh and an eprom burner/reader for Linux would be nice | Jan 13 14:04 |
| cubezzz | no like windows exe files for bios updates | Jan 13 14:05 |
| cubezzz | you can extract the cab file using cabextract and boot with grub though | Jan 13 14:06 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: http://rhombus-tech.net/faq/ Group aiming to follow raspberry pi | Jan 13 14:06 |
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| cubezzz | is rasberry shipping? | Jan 13 14:09 |
| cubezzz | raspberry | Jan 13 14:09 |
| iophk | `not yet. it's in production already. | Jan 13 14:10 |
| iophk | http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/509 | Jan 13 14:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: We’ve started manufacture! | Raspberry Pi .::. Size~: 557.77 KB | Jan 13 14:11 |
| iophk | If I understand correctly the first units should be rolling out of the factory in about 3 to 4 weeks. | Jan 13 14:11 |
| iophk | It's not possible to pre-order. | Jan 13 14:13 |
| cubezzz | which distro are you using on your Lemote? | Jan 13 14:14 |
| iophk | I have OpenBSD on one chip and gNewSense on another. | Jan 13 14:14 |
| iophk | Both work well. | Jan 13 14:14 |
| cubezzz | ah that's good | Jan 13 14:14 |
| iophk | I haven't tried the 3G modem on either yet, but the wireless works just fine. | Jan 13 14:15 |
| cubezzz | gentoo linux might also work | Jan 13 14:16 |
| iophk | Probably Debian, too, but I haven't tried. | Jan 13 14:16 |
| cubezzz | and Plan 9 :) | Jan 13 14:17 |
| cubezzz | it would be cool to have a Plan 9 lappy :0 | Jan 13 14:17 |
| iophk | There are two dislikes I have with the design. One is that various brands of notebooks and netbooks have not standardized the location of fn and ctrl on the keyboard and it is inconvenient to switch between different models and still touch type. Another is that even when inserted 'fully' the SD chip still sticks out a good 1.5 cm and can snag on things when moving around. Other than that the form factor is wonderful. It's small with rounded corner | Jan 13 14:19 |
| iophk | I wish they made a 15" model. | Jan 13 14:19 |
| oiaohm | iophk: I hate the keyboards on most laptops I am a proper touch typer. | Jan 13 14:23 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[torproject/@torproject] Liked our #28C3 talk? Think the work we do is important? Please consider making a donation: https://www.torproject.org/donate/donate.html | Jan 13 14:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[docufoundation/@docufoundation] Find a date for the next LibreOffice hackfest: http://www.mail-archive.com/libreoffice@lists.freedesktop.org/msg21355.html !libo !tdf | Jan 13 14:23 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fsf/@fsf] #ThankGNU for Deke K. Clinger -- http://ur1.ca/6v57o Join the !FSF today: http://fsf.org/jfb | Jan 13 14:42 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mattl/@mattl] A variety of music, crudely linked by the week's news -- http://identi.ca/url/64549133 @superstardj | Jan 13 14:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Tim O’Reilly: Why I’m fighting #SOPA - http://bit.ly/wHp75H good arguments put cogently by @timoreilly | Jan 13 14:43 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Microsoft confirms UEFI fears, locks down ARM devices http://ur1.ca/7gana #microsoft #uefi #arm #censorship #software #hardware | Jan 13 14:52 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Six Great Desktop Linux Features You May Take for Granted http://ur1.ca/7gwkb #gnu #linux #desktop #software #windows | Jan 13 14:55 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Six Great Desktop Linux Features You May Take for Granted | The VAR Guy .::. Size~: 91.68 KB | Jan 13 14:55 |
| amarsh04 | wish me the best, another bios upgrade on the way | Jan 13 15:01 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] SFLC: Microsoft confirms UEFI fears, locks down ARM devices http://ur1.ca/7gwor | Jan 13 15:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Război împotriva calculatoarelor (9-15 ian. 2012) http://ur1.ca/7gwp4 #sopa #doctorow #cenosorship | Jan 13 15:02 | |
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| iophk | cubezz: Another thing about the lemote bios, it can read EXT2 formatted partitions. | Jan 13 15:04 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @glynmoody Tim O’Reilly: Why I’m fighting #SOPA - http://bit.ly/wHp75H good arguments put cogently by @timoreilly | Jan 13 15:10 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ piratepartyca: Mighty Google is mixing private and public info again. Latest "tweak" raises many questions. http://t.co/4wqh9k6a | Jan 13 15:12 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @raycorrigan TV Shack copyright case: O'Dwyer loses extradition hearing but gets ok to appeal judiciary.gov.uk/Resources/JCO/… | Jan 13 15:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] thanks, the libre-planet binaries are now live at http://ur1.ca/3gnuv ♻ @aurele: Just finish to build !linuxlibre 3.2.1 .deb | Jan 13 15:22 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ piratepartyca: RT @torproject: Liked our #28C3 talk? Think the work we do is important? Please consider making a donati http://ur1. ... | Jan 13 15:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ piratepartyca: RT @techdirt: Over 120,000 People Sign Petition Asking EA To Officially Come Out Against SOPA http://t.co/DMKHgsDu | Jan 13 15:38 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Eve teasing in India: Assault or harassment by another name http://goo.gl/KNNog #womensrights #sexualharrassment #legalfail | Jan 13 15:43 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ piratepartyca: An excellent article on the flaws of copyright. http://t.co/hEPyBXO1 | Jan 13 15:45 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Ex-Apple boss Sculley sets record straight on Jobs http://goo.gl/pcJzP | Jan 13 15:47 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @glynmoody: Tim O’Reilly: Why I’m fighting #SOPA - http://bit.ly/wHp75H good arguments put cogently by @timoreilly | Jan 13 15:57 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Don't be evil, Google? This is truly saddening. If true. http://ur1.ca/7gvyi | Jan 13 15:58 | |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/Asher_Wolf/status/157762106018631680 | Jan 13 15:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Asher_Wolf: I got a rejection email. Whatever. RT @schestowitz: AdaCamp aims to boost women's participation in open tech http://t.co/mDNs3C4R #AdaCamp | Jan 13 15:58 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Wolfram|Alpha, along with STATS, set up a dedicated service for delivering on-the-fly football stats: http://bit.ly/zUWmMi | Jan 13 16:02 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] "Emergency" NYC Tech Meetup called to protest PIPA (SOPA equiv in the Senate), to be held outside Senators' offices: http://bit.ly/xSNKFP | Jan 13 16:15 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Xbox 360 for 300 Suicides http://is.gd/IA01D5 #xbox #microsoft #china | Jan 13 16:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Xbox 360 for 300 Suicides http://is.gd/IA01D5 #hardware #xbox360 | Jan 13 16:18 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Ooh la la... Now? http://ur1.ca/7gyyu | Jan 13 16:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @jwildeboer: Don't be evil, Google? This is truly saddening. If true. http://ur1.ca/7gvyi | Jan 13 16:23 | |
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| DaemonFC | if Microsoft made a response to that it would be that they were totally unaware of that and will look into it | Jan 13 16:25 |
| DaemonFC | then nothing changes | Jan 13 16:25 |
| DaemonFC | same thing Apple does | Jan 13 16:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] BBC Deletionism of Open Source http://is.gd/OkqEpz #msbbc #bbc #uk | Jan 13 16:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] BBC Deletionism of Open Source http://is.gd/OkqEpz #microsoft #censorship | Jan 13 16:30 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Microsoft blocks Linux from booting on ARM hardware (Computerworld UK): http://bit.ly/A4AL5x | Jan 13 16:33 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] So two years later, after creating a foundation, after a succesfull kickstarter campaign that brought in 80k US$, where is the FreedomBox? | Jan 13 16:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Typical MSFT behaviour http://ur1.ca/7gz4y | Jan 13 16:35 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] This puts things into proper scale: The Scale Of The Universe - http://ur1.ca/72asp #fb | Jan 13 16:38 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft Extortion Up Another Notch With LG http://is.gd/QO4YcO #lg #microsoft | Jan 13 16:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Microsoft Extortion Up Another Notch With LG http://is.gd/QO4YcO #swpats #linux #android #apple #oracle | Jan 13 16:45 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Think I've found a great new Wordpress Theme for Openbytes! | Jan 13 16:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Judge orders Zucotti Park barriers removed, jubilant Occupiers return http://identi.ca/url/64555166 #occupy | Jan 13 16:55 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] !EFF to ask for sanctions against copyright trolling astrologers http://identi.ca/url/64555177 | Jan 13 16:57 | |
| DaemonFC | opposing the federal reserve, making statements suggesting you have rights, having more than 7 days worth of food in your house | Jan 13 16:57 |
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| DaemonFC | = Terrorist | Jan 13 16:57 |
| DaemonFC | that's why I keep less than 6.99 days worth of food in my house at all times like a good American should | Jan 13 16:58 |
| DaemonFC | more than 7 days, you start speaking Arabic | Jan 13 16:58 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 13 16:58 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] With IBM Executive Running the USPTO, IBM Tops Patent Monopolists List http://is.gd/rNvjpK #ibm #swpats | Jan 13 17:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] With IBM Executive Running the USPTO, IBM Tops Patent Monopolists List http://is.gd/rNvjpK the @uspto is a parasite residing in the US | Jan 13 17:02 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/paul-to-congress-someone-who-has-guns-ammunition-7-days-of-food-can-be-considered-a-potential-terrorist_12052011 | Jan 13 17:02 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR: You have too much coffee, comrade | Jan 13 17:02 |
| DaemonFC | only a person who expects not to be at the camps next week has a month's worth of coffee | Jan 13 17:03 |
| DaemonFC | you'd better come with us | Jan 13 17:03 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 13 17:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: RT @NeelieKroesEU: can't set data protection rights in stone & then find out they don’t make sense in pra http://p.ost.im/p/eauLV8 | Jan 13 17:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: RT @NeelieKroesEU: Some thoughts on data protection reform: http://t.co/UrwZBU90 #privacy #cloud http://p.ost.im/p/eaA4uH | Jan 13 17:03 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.shtfplan.com/emergency-preparedness/terrorism-update-fbi-targets-preppers-and-preparedness-supplies-in-latest-bulletin_08112011 | Jan 13 17:08 |
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| DaemonFC | I actually approve of the way they handled the Branch Davidian compound | Jan 13 17:09 |
| DaemonFC | it's a shame they don't send tanks and napalm after some of the more dangerous cults | Jan 13 17:09 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.answers.com/topic/1000-best-games-for-windows | Jan 13 17:10 |
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| DaemonFC | I used to buy stuff like that | Jan 13 17:10 |
| DaemonFC | a $5 CD with a bunch of shareware/freeware on it | Jan 13 17:10 |
| fewt | Sounds totally 1991 | Jan 13 17:11 |
| DaemonFC | looking through the contents of some of those discs now, I see that they even managed to violate the GPL on more than one occasion | Jan 13 17:11 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Raspberry Pi, Allwinner, and CuBox in the Linux hardware race to tiniest and cheapest by @suehle | http://red.ht/xoLoPf #openhardware | Jan 13 17:12 | |
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| DaemonFC | fewt: You'd think if they were going to violate the GPL by not offering the source code and their customer support not even knowing what you're talking about, that they would also remove gpl.txt and COPYING from the binary distribution | Jan 13 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | right? :) | Jan 13 17:12 |
| fewt | meh - I'm more concerned about companies violating the GPL like Pandigital than a CD released in 1998. | Jan 13 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | the GPL only protects you as much as the copyright holders bother to enforce it | Jan 13 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | violations have been typical over the years | Jan 13 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | everything from game compilations for Windows to distributions of Android | Jan 13 17:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] FreeBSD 9.0 released http://ur1.ca/7gzx6 | Jan 13 17:13 | |
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| DaemonFC | fewt: That's the thing. There's enough GPL-licensed code in Android that thousands of people and dozens of companies small and large could petition a court to get an injunction against those no name Android tablets that violate it | Jan 13 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of the time, those manufacturers don't even have the source code | Jan 13 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | because instead of paying for the SDK, they just copied the binaries from another tablet and called it their own firmware | Jan 13 17:15 |
| fewt | Pandigital distributes busybox etc in their tablets. | Jan 13 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | fewt: Pandigital's site runs on Windows and uses ASP.NET | Jan 13 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | and is down more than half the time | Jan 13 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | if that doesn't tell you that you probably don't want to buy Android devices from them, I'm not sure what would | Jan 13 17:17 |
| fewt | Completely different sections of the business with different management and budgets. I wouldn't base a decision on that. | Jan 13 17:17 |
| fewt | but .. I've personally asked for the source several times and have been ignored | Jan 13 17:18 |
| fewt | I was interested in creating a custom ROM, but their devices are crap anyway. | Jan 13 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | well, they're still using Android 2.0, 2.1, 2.2, and 2.3 depending on your device | Jan 13 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | not all of them even get an upgrade to 2.3 | Jan 13 17:18 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] #Microsoft to Start 2012 With More Layoffs http://is.gd/Zvbhy4 | Jan 13 17:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft to Start 2012 With More Layoffs http://is.gd/Zvbhy4 #desktop #linux #thailand | Jan 13 17:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Microsoft making the GUI only optional for Windows Server 2008 (Redmond): http://bit.ly/yu6pzE | Jan 13 17:18 | |
| fewt | yep | Jan 13 17:18 |
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| DaemonFC | and they've locked the user out of Google Market | Jan 13 17:18 |
| fewt | You can put it back | Jan 13 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | and force them to use an app store called GETJAR | Jan 13 17:19 |
| fewt | I have a couple of how-toos on SlateDroid | Jan 13 17:19 |
| fewt | s/too/to/ | Jan 13 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | the screen resolution is very low | Jan 13 17:19 |
| fewt | They do that to avoid the google license fee | Jan 13 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | even on their largest and most expensive tablet | Jan 13 17:19 |
| fewt | I have a Nova - 800x600 | Jan 13 17:19 |
| fewt | pretty crummy | Jan 13 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | Android is getting a bad name | Jan 13 17:20 |
| fewt | I'll probably pick up an ASUS Transformer or an ACER tablet soon. | Jan 13 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | because you can walk into a pharmacy and buy a COBY tablet for $99 | Jan 13 17:20 |
| DaemonFC | and it will say it is Android | Jan 13 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | and so people start to associate the inferior hardware with the system software itself | Jan 13 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | which is not even Google certified | Jan 13 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | if they don't quit screwing around, they might even lose their trade mark on Android | Jan 13 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | the lax enforcement is to get their numbers up | Jan 13 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | but it's causing an influx of bad devices with crippled firmware | Jan 13 17:22 |
| fewt | Well - if they do crack down on it people will view them as being as "evil" as Apple. | Jan 13 17:23 |
| DaemonFC | I liked the idea that Google should stop serving advertisements to non-certified devices | Jan 13 17:23 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] "Robots will steal your job, but that's ok" - an IndieGogo campaign for a book under #CC BY-NC-SA http://bit.ly/uECbMO | Jan 13 17:23 | |
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| DaemonFC | then app developers will start checking to see whether the system is Google certified before the app can run | Jan 13 17:23 |
| fewt | I'm not sure I like that idea because it is a restriction of freedom | Jan 13 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | let app developers who don't want to hand out ad-free freeware apps do the police work | Jan 13 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | Android isn't about freedom, it's about open source | Jan 13 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | they don't do anything to fend off proprietary software, they encourage it | Jan 13 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | they don't try to kill DRM with fire, they have their own DRM APIs | Jan 13 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | so before you go talking freedom and Android, understand that Android is not about freedom, it's about the open source development model only | Jan 13 17:25 |
| DaemonFC | of course the same is true of FreeBSD | Jan 13 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | they encourage proprietary drivers and even bundle some | Jan 13 17:26 |
| DaemonFC | I guess it's up to the user to decide if they think that having blob code in their kernel is OK or not | Jan 13 17:26 |
| fewt | exactly right, it's up to the user to decide. | Jan 13 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | so, why would Google be going too far to deny ads to non certified devices? | Jan 13 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | the apps that display ads are nonfree software | Jan 13 17:27 |
| fewt | because they would be interfering with the business models of companies with apps in market. | Jan 13 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | giving out the source code and letting people make their own version without the ads would undermine that model anyway | Jan 13 17:28 |
| fewt | Basically it would be viewed as punishing them for someone else's wrong. | Jan 13 17:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] !Tzag Identizens. Apologies for my previous dent I do not know what came over me. | Jan 13 17:28 | |
| DaemonFC | Google owes it to themselves to do something about the bad Android devices, now | Jan 13 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | to say nothing about the users that are being deceived | Jan 13 17:29 |
| fewt | IMHO - Google certified should appear on any device that's properly licensed google's products | Jan 13 17:29 |
| fewt | They aren't being decieved, they just need better education. | Jan 13 17:29 |
| fewt | like a commercial with the $99 Android device vs the $200 Google certified tablet. | Jan 13 17:29 |
| fewt | but that's just my opinion of course | Jan 13 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, the ones that go to the trouble of making good devices with real Android aren't displaying that clearly enough | Jan 13 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | I have an Archos tablet with certified Android, it is very nice | Jan 13 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | they should take some pride in their product | Jan 13 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | and advertise that theirs is certified | Jan 13 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | and won't lock you out of the Google Market like some others will | Jan 13 17:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | it does | Jan 13 17:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | but very few android devices carry the full google android distro | Jan 13 17:31 |
| DaemonFC | they hid the google certification in their FAQ | Jan 13 17:31 |
| DaemonFC | I'm saying they need to push that out into the advertising material | Jan 13 17:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | one of the perks, btw, of having that is being able to deploy the android market app on wifi-only devices | Jan 13 17:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | normally its restricted to cell phone devices only | Jan 13 17:31 |
| DaemonFC | the whole point of an advertisement is why the user should buy yours when they have other options | Jan 13 17:31 |
| DaemonFC | promising not to sell them crippleware like Pandigital does is a good point to bring up | Jan 13 17:32 |
| DaemonFC | I consider any Android device that won't let the user install apps and app stores that they choose to use or do business with to be crippled | Jan 13 17:33 |
| DaemonFC | not worth buying | Jan 13 17:33 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 8 is going to be like that | Jan 13 17:33 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft's own store is the only place to get native apps from | Jan 13 17:33 |
| fewt | I don't think that will be the case. Microsoft wouldn't kill their own business like that. | Jan 13 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | everyone that wants the freedom to make software and distribute it to users who choose not to use the Microsoft store will be stuck making old style applications | Jan 13 17:34 |
| fewt | It'll probably end up as just another option like the store in OSX and Ubuntu. | Jan 13 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | and anyone that wants to make native Windows 8 software will have to pay Microsoft 30% just for hosting it | Jan 13 17:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | apple is killing their own business | Jan 13 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | the way I saw it, there will be operating system facilities that are off limits to anything that's not in the Microsoft store | Jan 13 17:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | 10.8 is supposed to be very iOS-like | Jan 13 17:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | 10.7 has begun that transition | Jan 13 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | so that doesn't treat non-Microsoft store apps equally | Jan 13 17:35 |
| fewt | The backlast would be pretty significant. You thought GNOME 3 people were angry? ;) | Jan 13 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | in fact, it basically says if you want your app to fit in with Windows, you must pay Microsoft 30% of your income | Jan 13 17:36 |
| fewt | s/people/haters/ | Jan 13 17:36 |
| fewt | I'm going to have to google that, it doesn't sound right. | Jan 13 17:36 |
| *schestowitz has 4 more new posts, saves them for later (9 in a row too much) | Jan 13 17:36 | |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: POAST FASTAR | Jan 13 17:36 |
| DaemonFC | if the Microsoft store was just one option and application developers felt a 30% tax was worth it to them to get better exposure to users, then I wouldn't have a problem with it | Jan 13 17:36 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: NEED MOAT C)0F#$ | Jan 13 17:37 |
| schestowitz | *Diablo-D3: | Jan 13 17:37 |
| fewt | @all NEED MOAR $HILLS /joke | Jan 13 17:37 |
| DaemonFC | but since applications that don't use that store are going to be called "legacy" apps and denied access to the new Windows features, it's obvious that Microsoft is bullying developers | Jan 13 17:37 |
| schestowitz | C0F33 mskes m3 ji55ery | Jan 13 17:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | Sorry, we're all stocked up on shills here. | Jan 13 17:37 |
| fewt | lol | Jan 13 17:37 |
| DaemonFC | Android, at least Google Certified Android, lets the user install software from wherever they decide to get it from | Jan 13 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | the official marketplace is only one option | Jan 13 17:38 |
| fewt | It's possible that they are, but I don't have a horse in that race so I wouldn't really care. | Jan 13 17:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] The Author of SOPA Is a Copyright Violator http://identi.ca/url/64503527 !eff | Jan 13 17:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Reddit user ventures to the Daily Show, gets Jon Stewart to talk SOPA on air http://identi.ca/url/64557260 !eff | Jan 13 17:38 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The Author of SOPA Is a Copyright Violator | VICE .::. Size~: 55.66 KB | Jan 13 17:38 |
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| DaemonFC | The main reason I didn't consider an ipad, other than being twice as expensive for a comparable model | Jan 13 17:39 |
| DaemonFC | was that it's either Apple's way or the highway | Jan 13 17:39 |
| DaemonFC | single source for software is bad for the user, it is bad for the developer | Jan 13 17:39 |
| fewt | I got rid of my iPhone because it was too restricted for me. Jailbreaking helped - but you shouldn't have to jailbreak a device to get basic functionality. | Jan 13 17:39 |
| DaemonFC | Apple probably loves being able to dictate what will or won't run and taking an obscene cut off what is allowed | Jan 13 17:39 |
| DaemonFC | but they're the only winners on iOS | Jan 13 17:40 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Oakland cops complicit in covering name-badges at Occupy protests disciplined http://identi.ca/url/64557294 !eff | Jan 13 17:40 | |
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| schestowitz | hey _Goblin | Jan 13 17:40 |
| schestowitz | glad you came, I was gonna ask about photo | Jan 13 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | fewt: Google Market is attractive to developers because there are no upfront costs | Jan 13 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | Apple makes you pay them $100 a year just for an account | Jan 13 17:40 |
| DaemonFC | even if all your apps are free | Jan 13 17:40 |
| _Goblin | :) | Jan 13 17:41 |
| schestowitz | and also an intro that says bytes media and whatever, for the coming episodes. I can record now. | Jan 13 17:41 |
| _Goblin | read your msbbc article... | Jan 13 17:41 |
| schestowitz | homer'\s | Jan 13 17:41 |
| schestowitz | mostly | Jan 13 17:41 |
| _Goblin | saw Homer's orignal.. | Jan 13 17:41 |
| schestowitz | he noticed it anyway | Jan 13 17:41 |
| _Goblin | one thing that hasn't been considered.... | Jan 13 17:41 |
| DaemonFC | Jamie Zawinski gave up and let Apple pull down all his freeware | Jan 13 17:41 |
| schestowitz | Glyjn wrote earlier on about how open source is inadequate to say there | Jan 13 17:41 |
| fewt | DaemonFC: It isn't just a $100 fee, you also need to buy a Mac, and then pay the fee. | Jan 13 17:41 |
| DaemonFC | because he only ended up hosting a few apps and didn't want to pay the $100 renewal fee | Jan 13 17:41 |
| schestowitz | So I suspected this may have been why the BBC changed it | Jan 13 17:41 |
| schestowitz | But I don't know for sure | Jan 13 17:42 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] LINK: Microsoft to Start 2012 With More Layoffs http://ur1.ca/7h0h4 | Jan 13 17:42 | |
| _Goblin | what if in the BBC's watered down way they merely decided to change open source to flexible so that more people would understand? | Jan 13 17:42 |
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| schestowitz | maybe | Jan 13 17:42 |
| schestowitz | but.. | Jan 13 17:42 |
| fewt | I had some ideas for apps, but after looking at the cost of entry and the risk of the app being denied - I decided it wasn't worth it. | Jan 13 17:42 |
| schestowitz | seb told me that open source was a quote | Jan 13 17:42 |
| _Goblin | open source might not mean much to the mainstream | Jan 13 17:42 |
| schestowitz | from the source | Jan 13 17:42 |
| _Goblin | ah | Jan 13 17:42 |
| _Goblin | fair enough | Jan 13 17:42 |
| schestowitz | whoever the CIO or whatever was | Jan 13 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | I believe Google charges you $1 a year just to have contact information verified for you from your credit card | Jan 13 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | which is effectively free | Jan 13 17:42 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: Homer has high s/n ratio in COLA | Jan 13 17:42 |
| fewt | You can go Mono on iPhone, but the cost of entry there is high too. | Jan 13 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | and then even if your app is freeware, you can put a small ad window in it and make money | Jan 13 17:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | do people actually read COLA? | Jan 13 17:43 |
| schestowitz | It's s shame he plays hardball with Mark for not agreeing about Star Trek | Jan 13 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | that way you aren't limited to users who feel your app is worth $1, $5, $10, etc. | Jan 13 17:43 |
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| DaemonFC | there's no such option with iOS | Jan 13 17:43 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: some do, I still read it every day | Jan 13 17:43 |
| schestowitz | filtered | Jan 13 17:43 |
| schestowitz | in knode | Jan 13 17:43 |
| fewt | The barrier to entry on Android is really low. I started looking at Android, but then I started working on Fuduntu and no longer had time for anything else. | Jan 13 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | the barrier to the developer is very low | Jan 13 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | the barrier to the user amassing a collection of high quality apps is also very low | Jan 13 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | a small unobtrusive ad window | Jan 13 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | gets you free apps and video games | Jan 13 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | OK, that's fair | Jan 13 17:44 |
| fewt | Install Eclipse - install the SDK - and start developing. Simple. | Jan 13 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | some give you a choice, most do actually | Jan 13 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | the Angry Birds games are 99 cents each for ads free | Jan 13 17:45 |
| schestowitz | I'll take another vacation next month | Jan 13 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | or free with the ads | Jan 13 17:45 |
| _Goblin | DaemonFC: never been such an over loved simple premise.... | Jan 13 17:45 |
| _Goblin | shows one thing... | Jan 13 17:46 |
| _Goblin | a mainstream consumer will buy anything... | Jan 13 17:46 |
| DaemonFC | _Goblin: Well, all I can say is that for apps alone with iOS, I'd be in it well over $200 by now for comparable apps | Jan 13 17:46 |
| _Goblin | anything that is, it seems but WP7. | Jan 13 17:46 |
| fewt | Angry Birds is brilliant imho | Jan 13 17:46 |
| DaemonFC | and I've paid, less than $10 on Google's market | Jan 13 17:46 |
| DaemonFC | I think the ads pay the developer per thousand impressions in Android | Jan 13 17:47 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: did you speak to BBC Rory? | Jan 13 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | so they're still making money off it, less than if the user paid $1 for the app most likely, but this lets them get the people that didn't feel like paying for the app and just want it now and wouldn't have made them any money | Jan 13 17:48 |
| schestowitz | You said he added you in G+, I think he really dislikes me | Jan 13 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | so they end up making more in theory | Jan 13 17:48 |
| schestowitz | fewt: overrated | Jan 13 17:48 |
| schestowitz | I tried it on an hypePhone (the overrated phone) | Jan 13 17:49 |
| schestowitz | it's worms/scortched earth ripoff/toon machine maybe | Jan 13 17:49 |
| fewt | schestowitz: I disagree, it was simple, easy to play, and designed to kill a few minutes without demanding a lot of time to play. | Jan 13 17:50 |
| schestowitz | Was anyone else here addicted to this series? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Incredible_Toon_Machine | Jan 13 17:50 |
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| fewt | It is a perfect fit for a mobile device. | Jan 13 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | it's meant to draw in people who don't usually play games | Jan 13 17:50 |
| schestowitz | fewt: depends | Jan 13 17:50 |
| schestowitz | some people use mobiles on a long journey | Jan 13 17:50 |
| _Goblin | Was it Rory.....can't remember now... | Jan 13 17:50 |
| schestowitz | Cellan | Jan 13 17:50 |
| _Goblin | I thought it was the other twit | Jan 13 17:50 |
| _Goblin | can't think of his name... | Jan 13 17:51 |
| _Goblin | let me check | Jan 13 17:51 |
| schestowitz | tweet or twit? | Jan 13 17:51 |
| _Goblin | twit | Jan 13 17:51 |
| _Goblin | whats the other guy called...the one with his eyes too close together? | Jan 13 17:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] 'Booth babes' stir controversy at 2012 CES (BBC): http://bbc.in/w3WIkX (rt @ashleymilnetyte ) | Jan 13 17:52 | |
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| _Goblin | can't see him in there now...nothing sticks out... | Jan 13 17:52 |
| _Goblin | cool! | Jan 13 17:52 |
| _Goblin | I've got Joe Wilcox in there...never realized! | Jan 13 17:53 |
| _Goblin | and the semi famous Singer/Songwriter Indiana Gregg | Jan 13 17:53 |
| _Goblin | cool | Jan 13 17:53 |
| _Goblin | Ive spoken to her via email btw...very nice lady | Jan 13 17:53 |
| _Goblin | very well in the music industry now....her husband is involved in the Piracy debates. | Jan 13 17:54 |
| _Goblin | Ian Morrow...I think... | Jan 13 17:54 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Big protests, all over #Romania, on the #bill that attempts to destroy the national #health system http://ur1.ca/7h0ui #ows #occupy | Jan 13 18:02 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/12/01/13/1618241/tsa-makes-400k-annually-in-loose-change | Jan 13 18:04 |
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| DaemonFC | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/12/01/13/1455242/windows-admins-need-to-prepare-for-gui-less-server | Jan 13 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Jan 13 18:06 |
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| fewt | + | Jan 13 18:07 |
| fewt | it's about time. | Jan 13 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | the amount of security problems introduced by their shell and things like the multimedia framework and Internet Explorer...... | Jan 13 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | that's probably what brought this on | Jan 13 18:08 |
| fewt | Media player, Solitaire - though I think these two I'm adding have been optional for a while. | Jan 13 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | well, there was Server Core but that was crap | Jan 13 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | it left a lot of the GUI code running and intact, so you ended up with a system that couldn't be used as a desktop but wasn't a proper server either | Jan 13 18:09 |
| fewt | Ahh. | Jan 13 18:10 |
| fewt | I haven't had any real Windows server exposure in about 6 years. | Jan 13 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | a server shouldn't assume that the user can even interact with it locally | Jan 13 18:10 |
| fewt | Contrary to popular rumors - I don't spend much time with Windows. :) | Jan 13 18:10 |
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| DaemonFC | fewt: You run Ubuntu Server and you've got a fast system with little overhead | Jan 13 18:11 |
| DaemonFC | you run Windows Server and need the desktop? | Jan 13 18:11 |
| DaemonFC | you're stuck with everything that was already mandatory in Windows 7 | Jan 13 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | but more | Jan 13 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | it all goes back to their insane claim that what was once just optional software is now a part of the system | Jan 13 18:12 |
| fewt | Servers should be nothing more than the kernel and whatever minimal toolchain that's required to perform basic admin and needed functionality. | Jan 13 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | "Mandatory Internet Explorer has been updated, reboot your server" | Jan 13 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | wtf? :) | Jan 13 18:13 |
| cubezzz | Internet Explorer, what is that? :) | Jan 13 18:13 |
| fewt | Actually - what I just said is my area of expertise so I guess I am a minimal Linux server $hill. :D | Jan 13 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: It's COM and OLE run amok | Jan 13 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | and welded onto the OS | Jan 13 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | it's something Windows users have to suffer with | Jan 13 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 13 18:14 |
| cubezzz | all hail abaco :) | Jan 13 18:14 |
| fewt | They do have some really good technologies though, like RDP. | Jan 13 18:14 |
| cubezzz | no wait, all hail links 2.2 :) | Jan 13 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | fewt: There's free software implementations of that | Jan 13 18:15 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Security updates for Friday http://ur1.ca/7h14g | Jan 13 18:15 | |
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| DaemonFC | and alternatives to it for that matter | Jan 13 18:15 |
| fewt | Sure, I'm just saying I think it's pretty good tech. | Jan 13 18:15 |
| cubezzz | RDP, a proprietary protocol .... | Jan 13 18:15 |
| cubezzz | >:-( | Jan 13 18:15 |
| fewt | taking oss vs css out of the mix - the technology is sound. | Jan 13 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | after it was already reverse engineered, Microsoft documented it and put it under the Open Specification Promise | Jan 13 18:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | RDP is a known protocol however | Jan 13 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | which is how they do a lot of things | Jan 13 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | and that promise is misleading | Jan 13 18:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | its also inferior to VNC for most tasks | Jan 13 18:16 |
| fewt | VNC? no way. | Jan 13 18:16 |
| cubezzz | uh oh, flame war time :) | Jan 13 18:16 |
| fewt | lol | Jan 13 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | open source software can be, and often is, used and sold commercially | Jan 13 18:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | RDP's only big feature is on vista and 7 it can pop out native windows to remote desktop | Jan 13 18:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | but you need an RDP client that supports that | Jan 13 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | you should say commercial to mean proprietary | Jan 13 18:17 |
| fewt | meh - ICA had that capability in 1996 | Jan 13 18:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | and none do except microsoft's | Jan 13 18:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | X had it in 1982. | Jan 13 18:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | so ymmv. | Jan 13 18:17 |
| fewt | + | Jan 13 18:17 |
| cubezzz | hold on, X started in 1984 :) | Jan 13 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | uhhm, X1 was in 1984 | Jan 13 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 13 18:17 |
| cubezzz | but I guess there was W before X | Jan 13 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | performance under W was terrible | Jan 13 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | that's what prompted development of X | Jan 13 18:18 |
| fewt | VNC compares more towards PC/Anywhere and RDP to X protocol. | Jan 13 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | NeWS wasn't bad | Jan 13 18:18 |
| fewt | NX is pretty good | Jan 13 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | but it was too closed for its own good | Jan 13 18:19 |
| fewt | but also closed | Jan 13 18:19 |
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| fewt | The free variant wasn't up to snuff last time I toyed with it. | Jan 13 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NeWS | Jan 13 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | Sun eventually made a display server that implemented NeWS on top of X | Jan 13 18:19 |
| cubezzz | it's faster to do everything in text mode | Jan 13 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | performance was terrible | Jan 13 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | but, being a hardware company.... | Jan 13 18:20 |
| fewt | I wonder if this Windows 8 server will come with openssh | Jan 13 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 13 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | they get to use their bad performance to sell you new hardware | Jan 13 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | like Windows and Intel | Jan 13 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | only worse | Jan 13 18:20 |
| cubezzz | the history of the X Window System is interesting, I'm currently researching it | Jan 13 18:21 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] So everytime the Eurozone situation is getting a bit better, the US rating giants downgrade. I smell a pattern. | Jan 13 18:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] CC Finland's Herkko Hietanen is running an IndieGogo campaign for a Powerpoint plug-in for CC images: http://bit.ly/z4tCPw | Jan 13 18:21 | |
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| DaemonFC | it's a question of being extensible vs. ease of use | Jan 13 18:22 |
| fewt | I fear Wayland | Jan 13 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | NeWS dictated how things werre done where X window managers have the freedom to decide for themselves | Jan 13 18:22 |
| fewt | I don't want to run things like network X protocol in compatibility mode | Jan 13 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | fewt: Then don't | Jan 13 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 13 18:23 |
| fewt | Don't see any value in throwing out Xorg | Jan 13 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | the X server is not being thrown out | Jan 13 18:23 |
| fewt | Certainly seems like it from what I had read. | Jan 13 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | it will retain the ability to run the display if you choose not to use Wayland | Jan 13 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | it will have to anyway | Jan 13 18:24 |
| cubezzz | Xorg, I still use XFree86 sometimes :) | Jan 13 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | proprietary display drivers require X | Jan 13 18:24 |
| fewt | old school | Jan 13 18:24 |
| cubezzz | and dxwm :) | Jan 13 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | so a Linux distribution that includes Wayland will have to detect those and start X instead | Jan 13 18:24 |
| fewt | That's a problem. | Jan 13 18:24 |
| cubezzz | just pick a distro that uses Xorg | Jan 13 18:25 |
| fewt | Apps would have to support both Wayland and X | Jan 13 18:25 |
| fewt | 2x the work | Jan 13 18:25 |
| DaemonFC | fewt: No | Jan 13 18:25 |
| DaemonFC | toolkits will | Jan 13 18:25 |
| fewt | ok, fair | Jan 13 18:25 |
| DaemonFC | not applications | Jan 13 18:25 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: I can come visit you around Jan. 31st...? | Jan 13 18:25 |
| DaemonFC | Qt and GTK+ will be ready for Wayland by the time it sees actual use | Jan 13 18:25 |
| fewt | cubezzz: I'm in a pretty good position to be able to do that. heh | Jan 13 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | applications written in them won't generally need to care that it's Wayland and not X | Jan 13 18:26 |
| fewt | Still - sounds like sprawl. | Jan 13 18:26 |
| fewt | Comes across as being unclean | Jan 13 18:26 |
| cubezzz | anyway, the xlib/motif stuff I've written works on Xorg and XFree | Jan 13 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | unless the point of the application it to do something to the X server directly, which is, uncommon | Jan 13 18:26 |
| fewt | but - I'll give it the benefit of the doubt. | Jan 13 18:26 |
| cubezzz | I test it on everything | Jan 13 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | all of KDE and GNOME will migrate to Wayland seamlessly | Jan 13 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | and anything written in GTK+ 3 or Qt 5 | Jan 13 18:27 |
| cubezzz | but I still use Qt 3 | Jan 13 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | KDE 5 will be out months before Wayland could seriously be deployed | Jan 13 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: rootless X server for you | Jan 13 18:28 |
| DaemonFC | booo! | Jan 13 18:28 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 13 18:28 |
| DaemonFC | I intend to be running the latest stable versions of all software applications that could possibly be affected by the switch anyway | Jan 13 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | if not newer | Jan 13 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | so I doubt I will seriously be affected | Jan 13 18:29 |
| cubezzz | are their distros that run X rootless now? | Jan 13 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | no, OS X does it | Jan 13 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | as XQuartz | Jan 13 18:29 |
| fewt | DaemonFC: +1 | Jan 13 18:29 |
| cubezzz | Fedora doesn't, last time I looked | Jan 13 18:29 |
| cubezzz | there | Jan 13 18:30 |
| fewt | I'm surprised, but pleased that just about everything out there still builds against GTK+ 2. | Jan 13 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | GTK+ 2 will be a problem under Wayland | Jan 13 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | by problem I mean, it will work | Jan 13 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | but Wayland will have to spawn an X Server for it | Jan 13 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | at this point I'll probably just avoid anything that could cause an X Server to spawn | Jan 13 18:31 |
| fewt | Hopefully GNOME 3 will become useful before Wayland matures. ;) | Jan 13 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | it's inelegant | Jan 13 18:31 |
| cubezzz | don't like gnome 3 | Jan 13 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | KDE 5 | Jan 13 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Jan 13 18:31 |
| fewt | I don't really know anyone that does like GNOME 3. | Jan 13 18:32 |
| cubezzz | xfce or kde 3.5.10 or trinity for me | Jan 13 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | KDE 5 won't be really disruptive | Jan 13 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | there will be a Qt4 compatibility class | Jan 13 18:32 |
| fewt | I have XFCE 4.8 @ Fuduntu | Jan 13 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | the Qt3 compatibility class will be dropped | Jan 13 18:32 |
| fewt | Still like GNOME 2 better. | Jan 13 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | applications using the Qt4 compatibility class will be able to run under Wayland just fine | Jan 13 18:33 |
| fewt | I think XFCE will mature quickly though. | Jan 13 18:33 |
| cubezzz | there's always motif :) | Jan 13 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | but applications still using the actual Qt4 won't | Jan 13 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | the purpose of having a compatibility class is to support deprecated Qt APIs that were commonly used in the last major version | Jan 13 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | to make it easy to transition | Jan 13 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | GTK+ has nothing like that | Jan 13 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | when GTK+ has a new major version, it is a clean break | Jan 13 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | deprecated API is dropped then and there | Jan 13 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | you'll see more users with GTK+ 2 and 3 than you will with Qt 4 and 5 | Jan 13 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | Qt4 itself will probably be dropped, as shared libraries anyway, from most distributions, within 6 months to a year of Qt 5 being included | Jan 13 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | obviously applications that include their own static copies of Qt4 will work | Jan 13 18:36 |
| schestowitz | tessier: something very strange happened on the server just now | Jan 13 18:37 |
| tessier | oh? | Jan 13 18:37 |
| schestowitz | can't even run commands like reboot | Jan 13 18:37 |
| schestowitz | I noticed load declining, for a while I could run top altight | Jan 13 18:37 |
| tessier | Checking it out... | Jan 13 18:38 |
| schestowitz | ls | Jan 13 18:38 |
| schestowitz | oops | Jan 13 18:38 |
| schestowitz | wrong window | Jan 13 18:38 |
| schestowitz | and wrong keyboard, too | Jan 13 18:38 |
| fewt | file_1 file_2 another_file this_is_also_a_file | Jan 13 18:38 |
| fewt | :D | Jan 13 18:38 |
| tessier | hmm....appears to be some sort of disk error or something... | Jan 13 18:38 |
| schestowitz | it happened minutes ago without intervention | Jan 13 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.nongnu.org/backbone/screenshots.html | Jan 13 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.nongnu.org/backbone/systems.html | Jan 13 18:40 |
| tessier | Yeah, the SAN this thing and a few other VMs are on is apparently having some issue. Might be intermittant downtime for the next hour or so. I'm on it. | Jan 13 18:41 |
| schestowitz | thanks, tessier, can I help in any way? | Jan 13 18:42 |
| tessier | No, thanks. Just stand by while I check ti out. | Jan 13 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/6391/snapshot15.png | Jan 13 18:48 |
| fewt | what version of KDE is that? | Jan 13 18:49 |
| schestowitz | Thanks, I'll fetch Google Cache of the main page just in case DB rollback is needed | Jan 13 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | 4.8 RC2 | Jan 13 18:52 |
| fewt | I'm digging that. | Jan 13 18:52 |
| fewt | I may need to investigate replacing GNOME 2 with KDE after all. | Jan 13 18:52 |
| schestowitz | by default? | Jan 13 18:53 |
| fewt | longer term | Jan 13 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/5840/snapshot16j.png | Jan 13 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | not the Dolphin default | Jan 13 18:53 |
| fewt | I'm always looking at options. | Jan 13 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | I find it easier to use in the configuration shown | Jan 13 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | pressing F4 can bring up a Konsole kpart at the bottom | Jan 13 18:53 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: are you still on the Tuxera issue? | Jan 13 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | not recently | Jan 13 18:54 |
| schestowitz | Peter Penz | Jan 13 18:54 |
| fewt | Dang it, now I'll end up spending my weekend building a Fuduntu KDE spin as a POC. | Jan 13 18:55 |
| schestowitz | Your Dophin doesn't look good | Jan 13 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | the konsole kpart will follow you around to any folder you are in, in Dolphin | Jan 13 18:55 |
| schestowitz | do you use the OSX-esque icon set? | Jan 13 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/4605/snapshot17m.png | Jan 13 18:55 |
| schestowitz | and why not use the default ocygen window decorator? | Jan 13 18:56 |
| schestowitz | Your KDe looks like GNOME2 in Mint | Jan 13 18:56 |
| DaemonFC | but I also have Yakuake | Jan 13 18:56 |
| DaemonFC | which uses the Konsole kpart as well | Jan 13 18:57 |
| schestowitz | Today I changed all the defauly searches in all browsers to Scroogle | Jan 13 18:57 |
| schestowitz | Inc. the address bat in firefox (through about:config) | Jan 13 18:57 |
| DaemonFC | http://img809.imageshack.us/img809/8078/snapshot18m.png | Jan 13 18:57 |
| schestowitz | Scroogle feeds the user 100 results | Jan 13 18:57 |
| schestowitz | it's fast and it doesn'e spy on clicks, usage, etc. | Jan 13 18:57 |
| cubezzz | do you hear about the new microsoft product? | Jan 13 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | fewt: bonus for free video driver users | Jan 13 18:58 |
| cubezzz | Microsoft Powers hell | Jan 13 18:58 |
| cubezzz | ;-) | Jan 13 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | kwin_gles | Jan 13 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | which is what I'm using as my window manager | Jan 13 18:58 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: there are console/konsole plasmoids | Jan 13 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Jan 13 18:58 |
| schestowitz | they're better than aquake-style one | Jan 13 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | but I like it to scroll down to me when I hit F12 | Jan 13 18:58 |
| schestowitz | you havem krunner for this already | Jan 13 18:59 |
| fewt | bonus for free video driver users? | Jan 13 18:59 |
| schestowitz | or lancelot | Jan 13 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | and scroll back up and hide itself when I click on something else | Jan 13 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | fewt: nonfree video drivers don't support OpenGL ES | Jan 13 18:59 |
| fewt | oh, gotchya | Jan 13 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | FGLRX doesn't even support the OpenGL 2 backend for kwin | Jan 13 18:59 |
| formic_ | Schestowitz I'm getting 503 on the site with a varnish cache server error | Jan 13 18:59 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: Or when you frag an orc | Jan 13 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | it gets the legacy OpenGL 1.x one | Jan 13 18:59 |
| fewt | I don't have anything with NVidia or ATI, I try to stick to the Intel cards. | Jan 13 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | it would be interesting if the kwin developers just dropped OpenGL entirely | Jan 13 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | and used ANGLE if the user has nonfree video drivers | Jan 13 19:00 |
| fewt | embedded chipsets I mean | Jan 13 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | but the only backend kwin would have to deal with is OpenGL ES 2 | Jan 13 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | fewt: recent Intel will use OpenGL ES 2 | Jan 13 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | as long as you have the mesa libraries for it | Jan 13 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | which are a dependency of kwin_gles anyway | Jan 13 19:01 |
| fewt | Should, I'm shipping xorg from Fedora 16 in Fuduntu today. | Jan 13 19:01 |
| fewt | had to upgrade to support my Thinkpad 420 and ASUS U56 | Jan 13 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | pull in their Mesa stack and LLVM if you could | Jan 13 19:01 |
| fewt | already have | Jan 13 19:01 |
| fewt | ;) | Jan 13 19:01 |
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| fewt | There isn't much Fedora 14 left. | Jan 13 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | LLVM 2.9 gave the Mesa implementation of GLSL a nice kick in the butt | Jan 13 19:02 |
| fewt | wait, I'm still using LLVM 2.8 | Jan 13 19:02 |
| fewt | looks like I have some work to do. :D | Jan 13 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | some shader operations in r600g have gone up by up to 40% | Jan 13 19:03 |
| formic_ | DaemonFC: I thought you disliked fuduntu | Jan 13 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | if the user has LLVM 2.9 | Jan 13 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | I see the Linsux people using it | Jan 13 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | so I have my reservations | Jan 13 19:03 |
| robb4n | Anyone here who have tried reaver-wps latest version? | Jan 13 19:04 |
| fewt | I'm a "linsux" people | Jan 13 19:04 |
| fewt | lol | Jan 13 19:04 |
| *DaemonFC has Fedora | Jan 13 19:04 | |
| formic_ | fewt: What's the difference between fedora and fuduntu | Jan 13 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | they include nonfree software | Jan 13 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | they're still shipping GNOME 2 | Jan 13 19:04 |
| fewt | GNOME 2, non free software | Jan 13 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | neither of which I would call a plus | Jan 13 19:05 |
| fewt | I licensed Flash and Fluendo MP3 for distribution. | Jan 13 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | take GNOME 2 out back, give it both barrels | Jan 13 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | ship a recent KDE | Jan 13 19:05 |
| formic_ | Lol | Jan 13 19:05 |
| fewt | lol - I actually like GNOME 2 | Jan 13 19:05 |
| formic_ | I like gnome2 better than 3 | Jan 13 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, software with no upstream = not good | Jan 13 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | not tenable | Jan 13 19:06 |
| formic_ | I'm a kde person though | Jan 13 19:06 |
| fewt | Fuduntu isn't intended to be better than Fedora or any other distro. | Jan 13 19:06 |
| MinceR | well, there were some recent releases that make gnome2 look good | Jan 13 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | I mean there's no legal reason why you can't go on using it | Jan 13 19:06 |
| fewt | It wasn't intended to be anything at all really, but it is. | Jan 13 19:06 |
| MinceR | unity and gnome3 come to mind | Jan 13 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | but eventually you'll come across bugs that will never be fixed | Jan 13 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | and there won't be new features | Jan 13 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | etc. | Jan 13 19:06 |
| fewt | I agree with that. | Jan 13 19:07 |
| formic_ | DaemonFC: Not true for a long time | Jan 13 19:07 |
| formic_ | Rhel ships gnome2 | Jan 13 19:07 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: and what do you think about MATE? | Jan 13 19:07 |
| formic_ | Red hat will be fixing it for years | Jan 13 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | I think it will need to have more than 3-4 people behind it before I'll consider it | Jan 13 19:07 |
| fewt | RHEL will support GNOME 2 for a few more years - security and bug fixes. | Jan 13 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | GNOME 2 had hundreds | Jan 13 19:07 |
| fewt | I don't think MATE will take off. | Jan 13 19:08 |
| MinceR | i'll probably just stay with XFCE :> | Jan 13 19:08 |
| cubezzz | I use a variety of DMs | Jan 13 19:08 |
| formic_ | Rhel also ships kde 4.3 :/ | Jan 13 19:08 |
| cubezzz | icewm, xfce4, kde, trinity and gnome 2 | Jan 13 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think a handful of people can properly support something that the original development team of hundreds or thousands of people have abandoned | Jan 13 19:08 |
| cubezzz | oh and rio sometimes :) | Jan 13 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | you see what happens with that, with Trinity | Jan 13 19:09 |
| fewt | Depends on who picks it up, but you are largely correct there. | Jan 13 19:09 |
| formic_ | DaemonFC: Redhat has customers it is required to support | Jan 13 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | KDE 4 has more people maintaining just kwin alone, than the entire Trinity team | Jan 13 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | trying to maintain their fork of all of KDE 3 | Jan 13 19:09 |
| fewt | Maintanance is hard. Just being a package maintainer is a ton of work. | Jan 13 19:10 |
| cubezzz | so how many people support xfce? | Jan 13 19:10 |
| fewt | Adding development etc - painful. | Jan 13 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | We all know that Red Hat likes to break out their patches and tell you how to apply....oh wait, shit.... | Jan 13 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Jan 13 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Jan 13 19:10 |
| cubezzz | no reason why a DM can't be supported by a small team | Jan 13 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | what I meant to say was how Red Hat has this habit of throwing out source RPMs with whatever patches they used already applied | Jan 13 19:11 |
| formic_ | Red hat is good with patches | Jan 13 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | and not help anyone who is trying to figure out what they did, at all | Jan 13 19:11 |
| formic_ | You are talking kernel patches | Jan 13 19:11 |
| formic_ | The license doesn't require hand holding | Jan 13 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | the way Red Hat does things, is above their obligations under the GPL. That's true. It's so nobody can possibly accuse them of being out of compliance. | Jan 13 19:12 |
| fewt | They have more FOSS contributors than any other company. | Jan 13 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | At the same time, they don't have to break out their patches, so unless you're cloning RHEL and don't care, it won't help you at all | Jan 13 19:13 |
| fewt | They don't have to break out their patches though, that's true. | Jan 13 19:13 |
| fewt | The GPL doesn't require it. | Jan 13 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | fewt: There's a difference between working upstream and giving you the recipe for RHEL | Jan 13 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora is way more open than RHEL is | Jan 13 19:13 |
| fewt | I'm not disagreeing with you. | Jan 13 19:14 |
| fewt | Fedora also exists because of RedHat, I'm only saying that the community at large would be in a much worst position without RedHat - that's all. | Jan 13 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | a version of a patch will go upstream to Linux, but at the same time, it wil lbe backported to RHEL's version of the Linux kernel | Jan 13 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | getting the patch from upstream doesn't mean it will apply cleanly to a 2.6.32 kernel | Jan 13 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | so to get the advantage of a patch, you have to be using a mainline kernel, or a RHEL kernel | Jan 13 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | it's smart | Jan 13 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | sneaky | Jan 13 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | dastardly | Jan 13 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | disgusting | Jan 13 19:16 |
| MinceR | or know kernel development enough to merge it :> | Jan 13 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | but legal | Jan 13 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 13 19:16 |
| formic_ | Well it only fucks over SCOracle | Jan 13 19:16 |
| fewt | meh - I wouldn't call it disgusting or dastardly lol | Jan 13 19:16 |
| formic_ | I don't mind | Jan 13 19:16 |
| formic_ | Cent os and other clones don't care | Jan 13 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think Oracle Linux is a good replacement for RHEL anyway | Jan 13 19:16 |
| MinceR | and if a version goes straight upstream, i don't really see the problem | Jan 13 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | they have their own kernel which is tweaked to run their own products very well | Jan 13 19:17 |
| fewt | Their kernel is optional | Jan 13 19:17 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: that would be great | Jan 13 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | but at the cost of running other workloads poorly | Jan 13 19:17 |
| fewt | and not included by default (at least in Oracle ENT 5) | Jan 13 19:17 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: btw: what do you think of the new look Openbytes? | Jan 13 19:17 |
| fewt | I use Oracle Linux - it's cheap and I can support it myself. | Jan 13 19:17 |
| schestowitz | new looks? Seen no change ysterday | Jan 13 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | Oracle 6 comes with both | Jan 13 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | defaults to theirs | Jan 13 19:18 |
| schestowitz | oh | Jan 13 19:18 |
| schestowitz | cool! | Jan 13 19:18 |
| schestowitz | Looks better now | Jan 13 19:18 |
| fewt | ahh, well in that case I would agree with you. | Jan 13 19:18 |
| schestowitz | http://www.openbytes.tk/ | Jan 13 19:18 |
| fewt | I haven't moved up to 6 | Jan 13 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | I've tried it out | Jan 13 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | I think more highly of Scientific or CentOS | Jan 13 19:18 |
| formic_ | I'm running scientific | Jan 13 19:19 |
| formic_ | Yay gnome2 | Jan 13 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | distributions based on Fedora tend to be higher quality than ones based on Debian or Ubuntu | Jan 13 19:19 |
| fewt | CentOS has a terrible track record, I'm on board with Scientific though. | Jan 13 19:19 |
| fewt | +1 | Jan 13 19:19 |
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| DaemonFC | each Ubuntu release does something that is horribly broken | Jan 13 19:19 |
| fewt | +infinity | Jan 13 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | that they show no interest in fixing | Jan 13 19:20 |
| fewt | ;) | Jan 13 19:20 |
| fewt | Last time I said something like that people had lots of fun names for me heh | Jan 13 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | fewt: This time it's multiarch | Jan 13 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | which violated the FHS | Jan 13 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | and made Wine uninstallable | Jan 13 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | (Ubuntu 11.10 and Debian Sid/Testing) | Jan 13 19:20 |
| fewt | Maintenance of debian packages is a nightmare | Jan 13 19:20 |
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| fewt | why have a system where you edit 12 files to build a package instead of 1? | Jan 13 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora does things in a way that complies with the FHS | Jan 13 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | I've never had problems isntalling the 64-bit and 32-bit x86 packages side by side | Jan 13 19:21 |
| formic_ | 12 files for deb?? | Jan 13 19:21 |
| formic_ | Insane | Jan 13 19:22 |
| fewt | I'm exaggerating slightly | Jan 13 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | after having multiple problems with Debian/Ubuntu multiarch I gave up trying to make Kubuntu Oneiric work | Jan 13 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | and just decided to go after Fedora 16 | Jan 13 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | it isn't just Wine | Jan 13 19:22 |
| fewt | You have - control, changelog, preinst, postinst, prerm, postrm, rules what's missing | Jan 13 19:22 |
| fewt | hmm | Jan 13 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | but Wine is the most broken victim of multiarch | Jan 13 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | the 32-bit version can't be installed, because it depends on packages that don't exist | Jan 13 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | and the 64-bit version installs, but can't run any 32-bit Windows software | Jan 13 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 13 19:23 |
| fewt | oh yeah - compat control dirs and docs | Jan 13 19:23 |
| fewt | all of which RedHat managed to put into one spec file. | Jan 13 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | I guess you could build Wine yourself from source | Jan 13 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | but then again, it's Ubuntu | Jan 13 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | you're supposedly not going to have to build anything from source | Jan 13 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | because everything has an easy button | Jan 13 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Jan 13 19:25 |
| fewt | heh | Jan 13 19:25 |
| fewt | Do I smell a rant coming on? | Jan 13 19:25 |
| fewt | I'll let you borrow GarbageSaladTM | Jan 13 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | I could write an encyclopedia of things that Ubuntu has done to piss me off | Jan 13 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | and the work arounds to a lot of it as well | Jan 13 19:25 |
| formic_ | DaemonFC: Write an ebook :) | Jan 13 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | The Ubuntu Hater's Handbook | Jan 13 19:26 |
| formic_ | Yeah | Jan 13 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | I don't need anyone else, I can just write every chapter myself | Jan 13 19:26 |
| fewt | My experience with Ubuntu is so far dated now that I don't bother anymore. I got some hatemail about Jupiter and some legacy stuff I was doing in the deb package which was still in subversion - so I just removed the old debian package cruft. | Jan 13 19:26 |
| fewt | problem solved. | Jan 13 19:27 |
| formic_ | fewt: Hate mail?? | Jan 13 19:27 |
| DaemonFC | You don't need support. You need help. | Jan 13 19:27 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Jan 13 19:27 |
| fewt | I get lots of hate mail lol | Jan 13 19:27 |
| fewt | not as much as in the past, but I still get it. | Jan 13 19:28 |
| DaemonFC | don't say you can support Ubuntu | Jan 13 19:28 |
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| fewt | I don't | Jan 13 19:28 |
| DaemonFC | if Ubuntu can't support Ubuntu, you can't either | Jan 13 19:28 |
| formic_ | fewt: What are people do mad about | Jan 13 19:28 |
| fewt | Webupd8 does, but I don't. | Jan 13 19:28 |
| fewt | oh I dunno, various topics. | Jan 13 19:29 |
| fewt | Some of it is constructive some of it isn't. | Jan 13 19:29 |
| fewt | let me find a recent example | Jan 13 19:29 |
| formic_ | Got any ones that made you laugh? | Jan 13 19:29 |
| fewt | all of them? ;) | Jan 13 19:29 |
| fewt | I'll look | Jan 13 19:30 |
| fewt | I had one that said "stop doing this to my system" | Jan 13 19:30 |
| fewt | uh, what? | Jan 13 19:30 |
| fewt | lol | Jan 13 19:30 |
| formic_ | Lol | Jan 13 19:30 |
| fewt | Lately I've been getting patches so I really can't complain. | Jan 13 19:31 |
| fewt | Someone even offered to port Jupiter to python. | Jan 13 19:32 |
| fewt | which is in process (I approved that) | Jan 13 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | you should probably make it clear that you aren't using Ubuntu and direct them to the people who are sending you patches for Ubuntu support | Jan 13 19:32 |
| fewt | That's normally what I do. | Jan 13 19:32 |
| fewt | I have a good upstream downstream relationship with Webupd8 | Jan 13 19:32 |
| fewt | They provide Ubuntu packages and support, I provide them bug fix assistance when they need it. | Jan 13 19:33 |
| fewt | win / win | Jan 13 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora has standards, Ubuntu is a bunch of pack rats who are afraid to tell anyone no | Jan 13 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 13 19:34 |
| fewt | Jupiter moving to Python from C# will probably help with adoption. Some people seem to have it in their heads that I wrote it using Mono because I love Microsoft, but I really wrote it in C# because I only knew GUI development using C#. lol | Jan 13 19:35 |
| fewt | I find that especially funny. | Jan 13 19:35 |
| MinceR | http://www.pidjin.net/2012/01/13/dont-stop-me-now/ | Jan 13 19:35 |
| DaemonFC | as long as Mono is not included in the default desktop, I'm alright with it | Jan 13 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | don't make me use it | Jan 13 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | don't make me go through trouble to get rid of it | Jan 13 19:36 |
| fewt | Mono is still there in Fuduntu, I really like Tomboy and Banshee. | Jan 13 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | I just don't want to touch it, period | Jan 13 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | if someone out there does, fine, make it available to them | Jan 13 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | Have you tried a recent build of Rhythmbox? | Jan 13 19:37 |
| fewt | but - it's there because I like Tomboy and Banshee, and I knew c# so it made my life easier. Not because of any other reason. | Jan 13 19:37 |
| formic_ | In the end it's freedom of choice | Jan 13 19:37 |
| fewt | I haven't, I probably should though. | Jan 13 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | I think the newer GTK 3 builds are pretty good | Jan 13 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | it's starting to settle down / come together | Jan 13 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | the port off of GTK 2 really upset things for a while | Jan 13 19:38 |
| fewt | I also don't want to be like Ubuntu where I change all the defaults every release (though I did at first while I was figuring out what worked best for everyone). | Jan 13 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | changing the defaults doesn't mean you havet odisrupt current users | Jan 13 19:38 |
| fewt | That's true. | Jan 13 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | it just means that people who install from scratch get the new setup | Jan 13 19:38 |
| fewt | I've tried to make sure that's the case - at first I didn't, but that was a learning curve thing for me. | Jan 13 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | also, were you to change to KDE, there's Amarok 2.5 | Jan 13 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | which I think is quite a lot better than Rhythmbox or Banshee | Jan 13 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | it ZOMGDOESMORESTUFF | Jan 13 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 13 19:39 |
| fewt | To quote omgcc :problem: | Jan 13 19:40 |
| MinceR | i'm sticking with Audacious for now | Jan 13 19:40 |
| fewt | heh | Jan 13 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | Amarok has a ffmpeg-based transcoder now | Jan 13 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | and a tagger that uses Musicbrainz | Jan 13 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | it doesn't handle ripping, but K3B does that well | Jan 13 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | Banshee rips but it doesn't transcode | Jan 13 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | I find transcode more valuable than rip | Jan 13 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | rip assumes most people still use CDs....pffft | Jan 13 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 13 19:42 |
| fewt | I don't even know where my CDs are XD | Jan 13 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | sometimes I download FLAC files just because nobody has bothered providing something in Ogg | Jan 13 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | so I convert them myself and toss the FLAC files | Jan 13 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | the choice it do it that way or just settle with a media codec that was bad in the 1980s and makes even less sense now (MP3) | Jan 13 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | *is | Jan 13 19:44 |
| formic_ | I keep the flac files | Jan 13 19:44 |
| formic_ | I'm ditching ogg | Jan 13 19:44 |
| fewt | I'm still using MP3, I buy a lot of music from Amazon. | Jan 13 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | MPEG 1 audio does what it does because ZOMGNOBODYCANAFFORDA486!!!!! | Jan 13 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Jan 13 19:45 |
| formic_ | I think my 4tb raid can handle the size of flac | Jan 13 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | what is this? 1992? | Jan 13 19:45 |
| fewt | 1992 I think I still had a 386 :/ | Jan 13 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | fewt: People who use MPEG audio have a terrible choice | Jan 13 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | MP3 will be public domain soon, but it's crap | Jan 13 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | AAC isn't crap, but won't be in the public domain until the 2030s | Jan 13 19:46 |
| iophk | MP3 is horrible sound quality. It's not worth the effort to encode it. | Jan 13 19:46 |
| fewt | I'm not disagreeing with you there. | Jan 13 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | given the choice, I guess I'd rather use MP3 | Jan 13 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | because it is less encumbered | Jan 13 19:47 |
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| formic_ | Alac is open now | Jan 13 19:47 |
| _Goblin | funny you should say that... | Jan 13 19:47 |
| formic_ | M4a | Jan 13 19:47 |
| iophk | What's holding back from Ogg Vorbis or FLAC? | Jan 13 19:47 |
| _Goblin | ogg.....open...great.... | Jan 13 19:47 |
| _Goblin | no good to me. | Jan 13 19:47 |
| _Goblin | doesn't play on my dvd player | Jan 13 19:48 |
| _Goblin | mp3 does... | Jan 13 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | the MPEG-4 container itself is patent encumbered iirc | Jan 13 19:48 |
| formic_ | DVD player?? It's 2012 | Jan 13 19:48 |
| _Goblin | therefore as far as I'm concerned. its ogg thats the closed format.....can't play it. | Jan 13 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | what else can you put ALAC in, and does ALAC even work on non-Apple stuff even in an MPEG container? | Jan 13 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | if not, then what good is it? | Jan 13 19:48 |
| formic_ | Get ps3 media server goblin | Jan 13 19:48 |
| formic_ | Don't be a noob | Jan 13 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | now, ALAC itself is not dangerous, because Apple has licensed it under the Apache 2 license | Jan 13 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | which protects anyone who gets a copy from being sued by Apple or whoever Apple's patents end up with for using it | Jan 13 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | but given that we already have FLAC, what good is ALAC? | Jan 13 19:49 |
| iophk | The Apache 2 LIcense covers sw patents? | Jan 13 19:49 |
| _Goblin | formic_: I'm not talking about ps3 | Jan 13 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | ALAC was developed behind closed doors, is not as widely supported, and the fiels are larger than FLAC | Jan 13 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | iophk: Yeah | Jan 13 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | it has a patent grant in it | Jan 13 19:50 |
| _Goblin | formic_: I'm talking about the toshiba dvd player | Jan 13 19:50 |
| schestowitz | thanks, tessier | Jan 13 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | so you can't give out code then sue whoever takes it | Jan 13 19:50 |
| formic_ | Goblin why are you using an obsolete DVD player to listen to music | Jan 13 19:50 |
| formic_ | Use your ps3 | Jan 13 19:50 |
| _Goblin | formic_: I'm not, its the dvd player upstairs... | Jan 13 19:50 |
| _Goblin | formic_: thats downstairs | Jan 13 19:51 |
| schestowitz | gotta run to salsa class.. :-p | Jan 13 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | things that are developed behind closed doors already have a strike against them as far as I'm concerned | Jan 13 19:51 |
| _Goblin | formic_: and I don't think my death metal music is appropriate to play in front of kids in the front room | Jan 13 19:51 |
| formic_ | You can't blame ogg because your using old 90s tech | Jan 13 19:51 |
| _Goblin | formic_: no agreed... | Jan 13 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | if they don't take public input while they're designing it, there's a good chance that they've overlooked use cases that people will want to use it for | Jan 13 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | after the spec is frozen, it's too late to consider fixing it | Jan 13 19:52 |
| _Goblin | formic_: but I'm not going to fork out for a new dvd player, when this one works perfectly, just to have an open format playing upstairs | Jan 13 19:52 |
| formic_ | Goblin maybe the metal will burn out their energy faster | Jan 13 19:52 |
| iophk | Not voting with your wallet? | Jan 13 19:52 |
| _Goblin | it plays everthing else fine | Jan 13 19:52 |
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| _Goblin | infact in terms of handling exotic codecs its damn good | Jan 13 19:53 |
| formic_ | I love ps3 media server | Jan 13 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | The Vorbis spec wasn't frozen until more than 10 years after the MP3 spec was frozen | Jan 13 19:53 |
| chips | Hi all, its me Chips_B_Malroy, but I am not on my main computer | Jan 13 19:53 |
| MinceR | 204828 <@_Goblin> therefore as far as I'm concerned. its ogg thats the closed format.....can't play it. | Jan 13 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | so it's safe to say they were able to see where MP3 went horribly wrong and had good opportunity to avoid that | Jan 13 19:54 |
| MinceR | no, it's your dvd player that's crap. :> | Jan 13 19:54 |
| _Goblin | DaemonFC: and this is a problem....speak to the consumer ask them if they know what ogg is....its a vicious circle....the mp3 works fine for them so they don't demand anything else, the manufacturers don't bother with ogg because the user is not demanding it. | Jan 13 19:54 |
| MinceR | some manufacturers do bother | Jan 13 19:54 |
| chips | Have you all seen this? http://softwarefreedom.org/blog/2012/jan/12/microsoft-confirms-UEFI-fears-locks-down-ARM/ | Jan 13 19:54 |
| MinceR | including cowon and archos | Jan 13 19:54 |
| _Goblin | MinceR: very true, but then its a theoretical point of view.... | Jan 13 19:54 |
| MinceR | chips: yes, it's disgusting, but business as usual from m$ | Jan 13 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | _Goblin: Ogg Vorbis and FLAC don't need a lot of mindshare to be widely supported | Jan 13 19:54 |
| formic_ | Consumers might be good with alac, works on their iPods | Jan 13 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | portable media players sold at Walmart support them | Jan 13 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | because it costs nothing to add support for them | Jan 13 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | and will gain you at least SOME more sales | Jan 13 19:55 |
| fewt | Is that different than the bootloader lockdown with most Android devices? (I haven't read the article) | Jan 13 19:55 |
| _Goblin | DaemonFC: but then if its not demanded is it something the manufacturers would do. | Jan 13 19:55 |
| MinceR | at the very least, it's a few extra bullet points on the package :> | Jan 13 19:55 |
| chips | http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/microsoft-to-lock-out-other-operating-systems-from-windows-8-arm-pcs-devices/10132 "Journalist Glyn Moody dug around Microsoft’s Windows Hardware Certification Requirements for Windows 8 client and server systems and found on page 116 that will Windows 8 Secure Boot can be disabled: on Intel systems, “Disabling Secure [Boot] must not be possible on ARM systems.” | Jan 13 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | if Off Vorbis and FLAC cost $1 each per device, or more, like MPEG codecs do, they would have never been implemented as widely as they are | Jan 13 19:55 |
| MinceR | fewt: it's made mandatory by m$ | Jan 13 19:56 |
| MinceR | on vista8 devices at least | Jan 13 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | _Goblin: Sandisk Sansas have supported Ogg Vorbis in the default firmware for some time now | Jan 13 19:56 |
| fewt | meh, I don't see a difference. | Jan 13 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | ever since around 2007 | Jan 13 19:56 |
| MinceR | (though i wonder which oem will be stupid enough to get into it) | Jan 13 19:56 |
| chips | yes, its the winmodem all over again | Jan 13 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | as well as FLAC | Jan 13 19:56 |
| formic_ | _Goblin / DaemonFC : sometimes you just have to ask for the support | Jan 13 19:56 |
| fewt | but I haven't read the article. | Jan 13 19:56 |
| chips | its worse than the winmodem | Jan 13 19:56 |
| _Goblin | DaemonFC: lovely....but I refuse to add to the junk in landfill by throwing away a piece of tech that for most other things is great. | Jan 13 19:56 |
| formic_ | I got winrar to support 7z | Jan 13 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | of course, Rockbox works on many devices that were never meant to play Ogg Vorbis or FLAC | Jan 13 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | including older models of Sansa | Jan 13 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | and Apple ipods | Jan 13 19:57 |
| chips | With the winmodem, MS used patented (or maybe copyrited) software to replace a $5 rom chip on the modem itself in order to lock in users to Windows. | Jan 13 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | if no manufacturer supported what I wanted to do with my device, I'd just pick something that Rockbox said it supports | Jan 13 19:57 |
| chips | *copyrighted | Jan 13 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | the nice thing about replacement firmware is that what the manufacturer intended for you to do with your property is irrelevant | Jan 13 19:58 |
| formic_ | DaemonFC: iPod users could be convinced to use alac, it's open and works in their device | Jan 13 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | formic_: Yes, and it's possible to convert ALAC to FLAC and FLAC to ALAC | Jan 13 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | and since they're both lossless, there's no good reason not to | Jan 13 19:58 |
| formic_ | Yes exactly | Jan 13 19:58 |
| fewt | Microsoft? Wasn't the Winmodem created by Rockwell? | Jan 13 19:58 |
| chips | In time programmers from open source community were able to create some drivers for some of the winmodems for other OS | Jan 13 19:59 |
| fewt | Wasn't the winmodem created to reduce the cost of the modem by moving the firmware to the driver so it could compete with other modems? | Jan 13 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | fewt: The term Winmodem jsut comes from the fact that the official drivers only tended to support Windows and there was never much documentation from the manufacturer to make proper drivers for anything else | Jan 13 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft didn't have a hand in that | Jan 13 19:59 |
| fewt | Sure I remember | Jan 13 19:59 |
| fewt | Right, Microsoft wasn't involved with that. | Jan 13 19:59 |
| chips | Not to mention, that the winmodem software driver by MS was buggie as h**l. | Jan 13 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | there were a few reverse engineered Linux drivers | Jan 13 19:59 |
| MinceR | except proper modems tended to use standard interfaces | Jan 13 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | none of them worked very well | Jan 13 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | some of them panicked the kernel | Jan 13 20:00 |
| MinceR | serial link, Hayes command set, etc. | Jan 13 20:00 |
| formic_ | I hated winmodems | Jan 13 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | they were all out of tree | Jan 13 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | you were better off buying a real modem either way | Jan 13 20:00 |
| formic_ | I still have an external us robotics | Jan 13 20:00 |
| fewt | I was burned by a winmodem because the box wasn't marked and I bought a "cheap" 14.4K modem for my BBS. | Jan 13 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | because they killed your computer's performance, even if you used Windows | Jan 13 20:00 |
| formic_ | Fewt awesome, bbs's rocked | Jan 13 20:00 |
| chips | What MS is doing here is turning computers into "wincomputers" just like what they did with the winmodems. But this lockin will be near impossible to break. | Jan 13 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | fewt: I bought a ZOOM 56k modem to replace a Lucent winmodem in my PC in the late 90s | Jan 13 20:01 |
| fewt | I wrote an internet version of a BBS for Linux in 2000 :D | Jan 13 20:01 |
| fewt | Source is still available | Jan 13 20:01 |
| fewt | That was my first GPL project. | Jan 13 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | as soon as I found out the Lucent garbage didn't work on Linux, it went in the trash | Jan 13 20:01 |
| chips | MS is creating computers that will become bricks, and about as useful. | Jan 13 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | it was one of those el cheapo things that came with the PC | Jan 13 20:01 |
| formic_ | I know some bbs's that converted to telnet | Jan 13 20:01 |
| MinceR | chips: not exactly like that, as this time they're using DRM for lockin | Jan 13 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | it wasn't an enjoyable experience even under Windows | Jan 13 20:01 |
| MinceR | back then it was just secret specificationms | Jan 13 20:01 |
| MinceR | s/nm/n/ | Jan 13 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | it monopolized so much of the system resources, that Windows slowed to a crawl and sometimed just crashed | Jan 13 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | due to the modem driver | Jan 13 20:02 |
| fewt | I doubt the how-tos are out there, but I even worked through some of the advanced stuff like running BBS doors in dosemu. :D | Jan 13 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | I think Windows users got a bad deal with those things | Jan 13 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | and Linux users couldn't even get them to work at all | Jan 13 20:02 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: how could you tell it was due to the modem driver, though? :> | Jan 13 20:02 |
| fewt | They definitely did get a bad deal out of it. | Jan 13 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Modem picks up the phone line, Windows blue screens | Jan 13 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | hmm | Jan 13 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder what did that | Jan 13 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 13 20:03 |
| MinceR | :) | Jan 13 20:03 |
| fewt | minicom | Jan 13 20:03 |
| fewt | +++ | Jan 13 20:03 |
| fewt | crickets | Jan 13 20:03 |
| fewt | +++ | Jan 13 20:03 |
| fewt | crickets | Jan 13 20:03 |
| chips | I remember buying a cheapo all in one PCchips motherboard, with a PCTEL winmodem on it. It came with Milliumin on it to make matters worse. It worked fine on the internet for about 45 minutes and would totally lock up. Only pulling the power cored saved it. | Jan 13 20:03 |
| fewt | :D | Jan 13 20:03 |
| MinceR | +++ATH | Jan 13 20:04 |
| fewt | winmodem says I don't think so | Jan 13 20:04 |
| formic_ | Pcchips are trash to begin with | Jan 13 20:04 |
| chips | memory leak actually, I put a 16 bit isa hardware modem in it and disabled the onboard winmodem on it and it worked fine then. | Jan 13 20:04 |
| MinceR | i've never heard of pcchips, pctel or milliumin | Jan 13 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | Zoom still makes modems | Jan 13 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | DSL and cable ones anyway | Jan 13 20:05 |
| chips | PCchips made very low end boards | Jan 13 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | but it's not the same company | Jan 13 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | they went bankrupt and their name was picked up at auction | Jan 13 20:05 |
| formic_ | Worse than low end | Jan 13 20:05 |
| fewt | lolpcchips | Jan 13 20:05 |
| fewt | :D | Jan 13 20:05 |
| chips | yes | Jan 13 20:05 |
| formic_ | A massive defect rate | Jan 13 20:05 |
| chips | cash strapped back then | Jan 13 20:05 |
| chips | but I had good luck with two of their boards from ebay | Jan 13 20:06 |
| formic_ | I won't go more cheapo than asrock | Jan 13 20:06 |
| formic_ | Asrock is low end says | Jan 13 20:07 |
| formic_ | Asus | Jan 13 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | I was using AMD even in the 90s | Jan 13 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | I've only went with Intel once since 1995 | Jan 13 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | and I wasn't thrilled with that Core 2 Duo system | Jan 13 20:07 |
| chips | I will never buy an new Intel board | Jan 13 20:08 |
| formic_ | I had a pentium 2 300 that outperformed a k62 450 | Jan 13 20:08 |
| fewt | I did a lot of breakfix work in the 90s so I stuck with Intel, with some minor exceptions. | Jan 13 20:08 |
| formic_ | I was pissed when I got the k62 | Jan 13 20:08 |
| fewt | I grew up via 6502 though. | Jan 13 20:09 |
| fewt | heh | Jan 13 20:09 |
| chips | http://www.osnews.com/story/25507/Microsoft_Forces_OEMs_To_Lock_Devices_Into_Windows_8_Using_UEFI | Jan 13 20:09 |
| formic_ | Athlons were good | Jan 13 20:09 |
| chips | This ufei lockout of other OS'es by Microsoft is the end result of using patents to enforce and create monopolies to block any competiton. | Jan 13 20:10 |
| chips | I have to paste in a comment by Andre for Goblin. | Jan 13 20:11 |
| formic_ | chips: Build your own | Jan 13 20:11 |
| chips | http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/microsoft-to-lock-out-other-operating-systems-from-windows-8-arm-pcs-devices/10132 | Jan 13 20:11 |
| chips | "Microsoft is doing the right thing I am sick of having to fix computers that users decided to install Linux on then turn around and want to reinstall Windows on after they realize their mistake. So, I think this is a very good decision. ZDNet Gravatar adacosta38" | Jan 13 20:12 |
| formic_ | chips: Or support a local pc shop and get one custom made | Jan 13 20:12 |
| chips | MS shill dollars at work | Jan 13 20:12 |
| fewt | meh, opinions != shill dollars | Jan 13 20:13 |
| chips | I always build my own desktop computers. Never have bought one complete. Buy of course, laptops are different case. | Jan 13 20:13 |
| fewt | though that rule doesn't apply 100% of the time | Jan 13 20:13 |
| chips | *M$ shill dollars at work [12:1 | Jan 13 20:13 |
| chips | Andre, aka adacosta38, is a M$ shill | Jan 13 20:14 |
| formic_ | I know people who are windows zealots and aren't getting paid | Jan 13 20:14 |
| chips | he is up to 38 now | Jan 13 20:14 |
| formic_ | Da vista is a shill | Jan 13 20:14 |
| formic_ | Andre davista | Jan 13 20:15 |
| chips | Andre Da Costa | Jan 13 20:15 |
| formic_ | Vista joke | Jan 13 20:15 |
| chips | yes, he loved Vi$ta | Jan 13 20:15 |
| formic_ | He's not doing a good job hiding it | Jan 13 20:16 |
| chips | But then he is only one of the many M$ Shills that haunt the posts of SJVN | Jan 13 20:17 |
| fewt | SJVN could be considered a $hill imho | Jan 13 20:17 |
| formic_ | Who knows though | Jan 13 20:17 |
| chips | MS can't handle the truth, so they employ shills to try to delute it | Jan 13 20:17 |
| formic_ | Davista might just hate cause of his hate email | Jan 13 20:18 |
| formic_ | After getting that laptop | Jan 13 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | fewt: If that is an honest opinion, it is a misguided one | Jan 13 20:19 |
| chips | I do believe that an antitrust case will be brought against MS sometime this year | Jan 13 20:19 |
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| DaemonFC | I don't believe that "Secure Boot" will stop malware | Jan 13 20:19 |
| DaemonFC | it might stop some of the less able malware writers | Jan 13 20:19 |
| chips | since MS left DOJ antitrust oversite they have become even worse | Jan 13 20:19 |
| formic_ | I think secure boot is for piracy, not Linux | Jan 13 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | eventually malware will hack past Secure Boot and will do whatever it likes anyway | Jan 13 20:20 |
| chips | whatever its for, its not for free choice | Jan 13 20:20 |
| fewt | DaemonFC - I stopped following him years ago. IMHO He only cares about clicks, like Phoronix. | Jan 13 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | while Linux distributions that can't go that far can't be installed | Jan 13 20:20 |
| formic_ | People used mbr hacks to pirate vista and vista7 | Jan 13 20:20 |
| MinceR | most likely they'll use secholes in vista8 itself | Jan 13 20:20 |
| formic_ | Malware didn't | Jan 13 20:20 |
| fewt | Then again, everyone can be considered a shill to some degree. | Jan 13 20:21 |
| chips | most windows malware are not rootkits | Jan 13 20:21 |
| DaemonFC | fewt: Phoronix is frequently misleading or just outright exageration or nonsense | Jan 13 20:21 |
| fewt | + | Jan 13 20:21 |
| DaemonFC | but occasionally it points me in the direction of something interesting | Jan 13 20:21 |
| chips | and I am not sure that all windows rootkits would be stopped by secure boot | Jan 13 20:21 |
| fewt | Don't say that on the internet though, or you'll be a shill ;) | Jan 13 20:21 |
| DaemonFC | fewt: Of course Michael Larabel is a Clickwhore | Jan 13 20:22 |
| formic_ | I think Microsoft considers mbr hacks for piracy as the same thing as malware | Jan 13 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | he posts the same exact article 20 times over | Jan 13 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | then screams at people who use ad block software | Jan 13 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 13 20:22 |
| fewt | He doesn't like me much. | Jan 13 20:22 |
| formic_ | Considering nobody really wants to buy windows | Jan 13 20:22 |
| fewt | Can't say I blame him though. | Jan 13 20:22 |
| MinceR | i don't think m$ minds malware nearly so much as people replacing m$ crap with better software | Jan 13 20:22 |
| chips | yes | Jan 13 20:23 |
| MinceR | if they minded malware so much, they would have done something effective about it, one may presume :> | Jan 13 20:23 |
| formic_ | I don't think ms should have a say, they don't make hardware | Jan 13 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | he's even latched onto a couple of issues I've noticed and brought up and wouldn't drop them until he got every click penny they were worth | Jan 13 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | he's just a leech | Jan 13 20:24 |
| fewt | + | Jan 13 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | then of course he demands ad money for linking to the real news | Jan 13 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | gee thanks, I could never have looked up the development mailing lists for that project with Google.....oh wait | Jan 13 20:25 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 13 20:25 |
| chips | secure boot will not be as easy to hack, if it can be hack at all, as people think | Jan 13 20:26 |
| fewt | After my article though, I noticed he stopped calling the ASPM patch a "regression". :) | Jan 13 20:26 |
| DaemonFC | then he likes to partially quote people to make scandals out of innocuous material | Jan 13 20:26 |
| fewt | + | Jan 13 20:26 |
| DaemonFC | like Qt Commercial cherry picking some patches out of the development head | Jan 13 20:26 |
| DaemonFC | ZOMGOPENCORE!! | Jan 13 20:26 |
| DaemonFC | not so much | Jan 13 20:26 |
| formic_ | Lol | Jan 13 20:26 |
| MinceR | chips: even if it will be cracked, most likely people will end up keeping the m$ crap around and partially loading it, then using it as a chainloader for a real OS, if this shit goes through | Jan 13 20:27 |
| formic_ | I guess redhat is evil under those standards | Jan 13 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | I've been using Qt 4.8 for a while now | Jan 13 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | ever since the technical preview | Jan 13 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | it's not bad | Jan 13 20:27 |
| chips | IMO. Windows 8 is going to disappoint a lot of people. And people that buy Windows 8 Arm tablets are going to throw away their money on a brick. | Jan 13 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | well, if they expect their existing Windows software to work | Jan 13 20:28 |
| DaemonFC | they're in for a major let down | Jan 13 20:28 |
| MinceR | well, they'll expect applications | Jan 13 20:28 |
| MinceR | and they aren't going to get any | Jan 13 20:28 |
| DaemonFC | that always has been Microsoft's major selling point | Jan 13 20:28 |
| DaemonFC | that your existing software will probably work, unless it doesn't.... | Jan 13 20:28 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Jan 13 20:28 |
| chips | exactly, they will expect their exsisting windows pirated software to run | Jan 13 20:28 |
| MinceR | worse, they will have winblows software they've actually given money for ;) | Jan 13 20:29 |
| chips | On windows, most people have at least some software running that has been infringed | Jan 13 20:29 |
| formic_ | Old versions of windows will be one reason ppl will still be able to get non secure boot | Jan 13 20:30 |
| chips | like XP | Jan 13 20:30 |
| MinceR | not from m$ | Jan 13 20:30 |
| MinceR | they're like "pretty please just stop using xp already" | Jan 13 20:30 |
| MinceR | "here, use these even crappier never versions instead. oh, and pay for them too." | Jan 13 20:31 |
| MinceR | s/ever/ewer/ | Jan 13 20:31 |
| chips | XP is crappy once you use GNU/Linux for awhile | Jan 13 20:31 |
| MinceR | it's crappy even if you don't | Jan 13 20:31 |
| chips | ok | Jan 13 20:31 |
| formic_ | Well | Jan 13 20:31 |
| formic_ | Unless you have more than 2 cores | Jan 13 20:31 |
| formic_ | Xp sucks on quads | Jan 13 20:32 |
| chips | but many windows users since are convinced that XP is better than Vista/Seven, and they are probably right. | Jan 13 20:32 |
| chips | *since=still | Jan 13 20:32 |
| MinceR | i still think xp is less bad than vista[7] | Jan 13 20:32 |
| MinceR | for example, it actually manages to unmount removable volumes most of the time | Jan 13 20:32 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 13 20:32 |
| chips | Vista was an attempt by MS to lock down the system and secure it by DRM to control what media the user is able to play (pay). | Jan 13 20:34 |
| chips | UAC is a joke of an improvement | Jan 13 20:34 |
| chips | a cruel joke on the users | Jan 13 20:34 |
| MinceR | especially in vista7 | Jan 13 20:34 |
| chips | yes | Jan 13 20:34 |
| chips | they basically undid a lot in UAC | Jan 13 20:35 |
| chips | Seven seems to be less secure than Vista out of the box | Jan 13 20:35 |
| MinceR | they basically hand admin rights to anyone who drops an executable, without asking the user | Jan 13 20:35 |
| cubezzz | a pity I have no experience with seven :) | Jan 13 20:37 |
| MinceR | no, that's luck | Jan 13 20:37 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 13 20:37 |
| cubezzz | I figured it was just another level of bloat from win2k | Jan 13 20:37 |
| chips | Seven is just warmed over Vista with a new coat of paing | Jan 13 20:37 |
| chips | *paint | Jan 13 20:37 |
| MinceR | and a less secure UAC, and copious assertions that it is indeed a brand new version, just trust us | Jan 13 20:38 |
| MinceR | :> | Jan 13 20:38 |
| cubezzz | yeah I think even Gates admits it's a warmed-over Vista | Jan 13 20:38 |
| DaemonFC | fewt: Are you building your own kernels in Fuduntu? | Jan 13 20:38 |
| cubezzz | but I'm having too much fun with plan 9 and *nix to really notice windoze | Jan 13 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | actually, how much of the system is built vs. just taking Fedora binaries? | Jan 13 20:39 |
| chips | ok, whats next on Pinky (Ballmer) and the Brain (Gates) 5 year plan? Once they use secure boot to secure their monopoly from Android/Linux do they move on to forcing users to buy only software in windows 9 from the windows market? | Jan 13 20:40 |
| chips | *3 year plan | Jan 13 20:40 |
| cubezzz | we'll counter that with open hardware | Jan 13 20:40 |
| MinceR | signs point to yes | Jan 13 20:40 |
| tessier | Open hardware is proving very difficult. | Jan 13 20:41 |
| MinceR | where are we going to get open, high-performance CPUs and GPUs? | Jan 13 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | it's better to just say their "whenever the next version appears after years of delays, cost overruns, and scuttled features" when you're talking about Microsoft | Jan 13 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | and omit the "plan" part entirely | Jan 13 20:41 |
| MinceR | hopefully vista8 will fail along with uefi restricted boot | Jan 13 20:41 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: they do have plans, but only regarding world domination | Jan 13 20:41 |
| cubezzz | it's ironic, the 70s was more open that now | Jan 13 20:41 |
| cubezzz | than | Jan 13 20:42 |
| cubezzz | but there's Lemote, and a few others | Jan 13 20:42 |
| MinceR | i wonder how far could we get building an open laptop using a 3d printer, readily available electric components and FPGAs | Jan 13 20:42 |
| chips | users do not have the money to buy all their software from windows market in windows 9, if that is the case. But I believe that is where MS wants to be. 30% commission on all non MS software. And they will use the excuse of doing it to stop malware and piracy as reasons | Jan 13 20:43 |
| cubezzz | uh, I don't have a malware prob though | Jan 13 20:43 |
| cubezzz | there's barely anything I want to buy really | Jan 13 20:43 |
| abeNd-org | you just pirate it all ;) | Jan 13 20:44 |
| cubezzz | yeah I'm "pirating" plan 9 and unix v7 :) | Jan 13 20:45 |
| cubezzz | and Linux isos | Jan 13 20:45 |
| chips | just use foss | Jan 13 20:45 |
| cubezzz | I'm a bit disappointed in gnash | Jan 13 20:45 |
| chips | GNU/Linux, its better and free in many ways | Jan 13 20:45 |
| cubezzz | but it's getting better | Jan 13 20:45 |
| cubezzz | chips, Microsoft is getting a big 0% from me | Jan 13 20:47 |
| DaemonFC | SCO open sourced a bunch of ancient UNIX code | Jan 13 20:47 |
| cubezzz | I'm not buying any Android devices unless I'm positive microsoft gets zero | Jan 13 20:47 |
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| chips | Ballmer maybe be gone as the scapegoat who caused MS to go back into antitrust this year. Consider the Kin, WP7, WP7.5, Bing failures. | Jan 13 20:48 |
| fewt | DaemonFC: yes I build our kernels. | Jan 13 20:48 |
| abeNd-org | so now Sco is a champion of the free? :P | Jan 13 20:48 |
| cubezzz | it's Bell Labs really | Jan 13 20:48 |
| cubezzz | SCO had nothing to do with v7 or before that | Jan 13 20:49 |
| DaemonFC | fewt: If you build kernels, then you could toggle some module option defaults from there | Jan 13 20:49 |
| DaemonFC | without having to pass them along to the kernel from grub | Jan 13 20:49 |
| DaemonFC | one of them I use is to use PCIE 2.0 bus speeds for my RadeonHD card | Jan 13 20:50 |
| chips | So if Ballmer is leaving MS, it would stand to reason that (a) he and bill agreed that he should leave and (b) that he try to get in as much lockin for the ms before he leaves as MS can later blame him for the antitrust problems in court should it need to | Jan 13 20:50 |
| *DaemonFC installs this for cubezzz https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/Ms_xenix.png | Jan 13 20:50 | |
| cubezzz | I have Xenix 2.3.4 actually :) | Jan 13 20:51 |
| fewt | DaemonFC: I do set a few options when I build the kernel, like the deadline scheduler. | Jan 13 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | why deadline? | Jan 13 20:52 |
| chips | well, later all, was good chatting with you folks | Jan 13 20:53 |
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| fewt | cfq will leave writes in memory for an indefinite period of time, so if your hard drive is asleep (battery) it will just wake it up. | Jan 13 20:54 |
| fewt | deadline seemed more appropriate for portables, but I didn't spend a lot of time testing it. I read a lot of RedHat performance guides and it seemed to be a good fit. | Jan 13 20:55 |
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| fewt | That is a good point though, I haven't spent much time tweaking module options. | Jan 13 20:58 |
| fewt | Now that Fuduntu is a complete fork and not just a remix, there's a lot more work to do. I knew that would be the case when I decided to split though. | Jan 13 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | do you think there's a possibility of rebuilding Mesa with float texture upport? | Jan 13 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | or do you think SGI would bother to go after you for that? | Jan 13 21:00 |
| DaemonFC | Arch does it | Jan 13 21:00 |
| DaemonFC | but Ubuntu and Fedora don't | Jan 13 21:00 |
| fewt | What are the politics behind it? | Jan 13 21:00 |
| fewt | I'm not familiar with it. | Jan 13 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | SGI asserts that they have a patent that covers it | Jan 13 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | but to my knowledge they've never sued over it | Jan 13 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | Nvidia and AMD both use it without a license | Jan 13 21:01 |
| fewt | hmm | Jan 13 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | it's a compile time option | Jan 13 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | which assumes you don't want float texture support unless you specify you do | Jan 13 21:02 |
| fewt | I couldn't honestly say one way or the other without researching SGI's history. Have they claimed they have a patent, but it's OK to use, have they threatened to sue anyone? | Jan 13 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.opengl.org/registry/specs/ARB/texture_float.txt | Jan 13 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | SGI owns US Patent #6,650,327, issued November 18, 2003. SGI | Jan 13 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | believes this patent contains necessary IP for graphics systems | Jan 13 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | implementing floating point (FP) rasterization and FP framebuffer | Jan 13 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | capabilities. | Jan 13 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | SGI will not grant the ARB royalty-free use of this IP for use in | Jan 13 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | OpenGL, but will discuss licensing on RAND terms, on an individual | Jan 13 21:03 |
| fewt | heh rock on | Jan 13 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | basis with companies wishing to use this IP in the context of | Jan 13 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | conformant OpenGL implementations. SGI does not plan to make any | Jan 13 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | special exemption for open source implementations. | Jan 13 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | Contact Doug Crisman at SGI Legal for the complete IP disclosure. | Jan 13 21:03 |
| fewt | No, I probably wouldn't enable it | Jan 13 21:04 |
| fewt | SGI does not plan to make any special exemption for open source implementations. | Jan 13 21:04 |
| fewt | definitely wouldn't. | Jan 13 21:04 |
| DaemonFC | RPM Fusion is considering a mesa-freeworld configured for float texture support | Jan 13 21:04 |
| DaemonFC | so far, they haven't | Jan 13 21:04 |
| DaemonFC | they do provide the s3tc library though | Jan 13 21:04 |
| DaemonFC | fewt: It's one reason I'm hoping OpenGL ES grows more popular | Jan 13 21:06 |
| fewt | I don't include technologies that don't allow distribution like dvdcss and a lot of proprietary codecs. | Jan 13 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | as far as I know, nothing has unresolvable patent problems in it | Jan 13 21:06 |
| fewt | Unless of course I can receive permission to distribute like I did with Flash, and the MP3 codec. | Jan 13 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | you can ask SGI | Jan 13 21:07 |
| fewt | That's true. | Jan 13 21:07 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora doesn't ask for patent licenses, even if it is possible the patent holder would say yes | Jan 13 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | so I doubt this case is any differnet | Jan 13 21:08 |
| fewt | OIC, If the patent holder would grant permission I would have no issue with distributing it. | Jan 13 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | *different | Jan 13 21:10 |
| DaemonFC | it just happens that I don't use anything that needs float textures so I have no reason to care at the moment | Jan 13 21:10 |
| DaemonFC | but it's a requirement of a compliant OpenGL 3.0 implementation | Jan 13 21:10 |
| DaemonFC | fewt: The main problem I have with the proprietary drivers is that they're buggy beyond the point of being supportable | Jan 13 21:12 |
| DaemonFC | Sabayon yanked them because of that recently | Jan 13 21:12 |
| fewt | I tried pulling them into Fuduntu at one point, but they never worked right. | Jan 13 21:12 |
| DaemonFC | I have no idea what your policy is about that but I'd hope you wouldn't slap something in that crashes and burns a lot of the time | Jan 13 21:13 |
| fewt | I forked the drivers from rpmfusion and spent a lot of time building newer versions but ultimately it was a failed effort. | Jan 13 21:13 |
| fewt | I dropped them some time ago. | Jan 13 21:13 |
| fewt | My policy is stable | Jan 13 21:13 |
| fewt | We have a package promotion policy, things go through a development and test cycle before becoming stable. | Jan 13 21:13 |
| fewt | If anyone needs the proprietary ATI or NVidia drivers, the best place to get them is the manufacturers website. | Jan 13 21:14 |
| fewt | I didn't include any of them by default, so it was never a problem for anyone other than people that went out of their way to install them from the repo. | Jan 13 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | Catalyst crashes the 1.11 X server | Jan 13 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | whenever anything laods and tries to use Xv | Jan 13 21:15 |
| fewt | Ouch - I have the 1.11 X server | Jan 13 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | that's why I immediately got rid of it this time | Jan 13 21:15 |
| fewt | A couple of users reported good luck with the latest ATI driver, but I have no hands on with it. | Jan 13 21:16 |
| fewt | I trust Intel cards, since they are really good about their Xorg support. Plus I don't play games so I don't need anything better. | Jan 13 21:17 |
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| MinceR | Xonotic 0.5 runs fine on my tablet PC with an Intel GPU :> | Jan 13 21:18 |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Jan 13 21:28 |
| MinceR | hay | Jan 13 21:29 |
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| DaemonFC | fewt: Intel isn't using Gallium3d | Jan 13 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | at least in the case of every other driver that went from Classic Mesa to Gallium3d, performance went up and number of bugs plummeted | Jan 13 21:49 |
| DaemonFC | but I don't use Intel so I'm not going to venture a guess at what their driver is up to | Jan 13 21:49 |
| DaemonFC | Gallium's major selling point is that it's not limited to OpenGL | Jan 13 21:50 |
| DaemonFC | it can accelerate many other APIs too | Jan 13 21:50 |
| DaemonFC | including, in theory, DirectX 10/11 | Jan 13 21:50 |
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| DaemonFC | I'm taking surveys to get facebook credits | Jan 13 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | but just filling them with garbage/random stuff | Jan 13 22:14 |
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| DaemonFC | Microsoft is offering facebook credits to install IE 9 | Jan 13 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | blecth | Jan 13 22:45 |
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| DaemonFC | it gave me 5 facebook credits just for visiting the IE site | Jan 13 23:06 |
| DaemonFC | http://politics.slashdot.org/story/12/01/13/2222203/dns-provision-pulled-from-sopa | Jan 13 23:06 |
| DaemonFC | they're watering down SOPA so that they can pass what's left without fierce opposition | Jan 13 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | fewt: It was my understanding that you didn't need anyone's permission to distribute the binary form of Fluendo MP3 | Jan 13 23:12 |
| DaemonFC | but in binary form it is not free software | Jan 13 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | there's MIT X11 licensed source code, but if you compile that yourself, you don't get the patent license | Jan 13 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | as for Flash, I don't think there's anything that says you can or can't distribute it | Jan 13 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | so I'd lean towards thinking you can unless they contact you and tell you to stop | Jan 13 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | but it's not hard for the user to install either of those things themselves | Jan 13 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | thankfully, Flash is on the way out though | Jan 13 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | give it 2-3 more years and I don't think anyone will care whether it's there or not | Jan 13 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | in the absence of standards, bullshit like Flash crops up | Jan 13 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | *sigh* | Jan 13 23:29 |
| DaemonFC | Seamonkey still moves faster than Fedora cares to package it | Jan 13 23:30 |
| brendyn | this new mint is terrible | Jan 13 23:30 |
| brendyn | crashes all the time and gnome doesnt seem to even have printer or blutooth config. dad cant get jack shit done | Jan 13 23:31 |
| brendyn | i guess kubuntu is my next try but its a big change | Jan 13 23:32 |
| cubezzz | give Proteus 1.1 a try | Jan 13 23:32 |
| brendyn | what reasons do you have for it? | Jan 13 23:32 |
| cubezzz | it's fast and not bloated | Jan 13 23:33 |
| cubezzz | if you're feeling adventurous try OpenBSD :) | Jan 13 23:33 |
| brendyn | no | Jan 13 23:34 |
| brendyn | the priority is to just be able to get things done | Jan 13 23:34 |
| brendyn | and not take minutes to boot | Jan 13 23:34 |
| brendyn | like mums windows xp | Jan 13 23:34 |
| cubezzz | uh, openbsd boots a lot faster than most distros | Jan 13 23:34 |
| cubezzz | but you might like Proteus | Jan 13 23:34 |
| brendyn | clearly bsd is a bit off track | Jan 13 23:35 |
| brendyn | its not needed to be portable either | Jan 13 23:37 |
| cubezzz | not an old Unix person then? :) | Jan 13 23:37 |
| brendyn | not old | Jan 13 23:38 |
| brendyn | but he needs typical things like flash, as bad as i feel giving it to him | Jan 13 23:38 |
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| scientes | RMS agrees with larry edison: ". | Jan 13 23:42 |
| scientes | The real meaning of “cloud computing” is to suggest a devil-may-care approach towards your computing. It says, “Don't ask questions, just trust every business without hesitation. Don't worry about who controls your computing or who holds your data. Don't check for a hook hidden inside our service before you swallow it.” In other words, “Think like a sucker.” I prefer to avoid the term." | Jan 13 23:42 |
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| brendyn | on the other hand he doesnt actually use any kde apps | Jan 13 23:43 |
| DaemonFC | who ya gonna call? | Jan 13 23:43 |
| DaemonFC | Ghostbusters! | Jan 13 23:43 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jan 13 23:43 |
| scientes | just install a common GNU/Linux with flash | Jan 13 23:43 |
| scientes | and gstreamer-plugins-ugly | Jan 13 23:44 |
| scientes | thats pretty straight forward | Jan 13 23:44 |
| brendyn | i did, mint, and everything broke | Jan 13 23:44 |
| cubezzz | I don't like swf too much | Jan 13 23:44 |
| brendyn | because of all these interface changes going on | Jan 13 23:44 |
| scientes | brendyn, did you use the 64-bit version of flash? | Jan 13 23:44 |
| scientes | if its a 64-bit os | Jan 13 23:44 |
| cubezzz | ok, well Fedora 14 works pretty good, I have one laptop that runs it | Jan 13 23:44 |
| brendyn | no | Jan 13 23:44 |
| cubezzz | don't like 15 or 16 | Jan 13 23:45 |
| scientes | I think ubuntu is still using that shitty wrapper to use the 32-bit version | Jan 13 23:45 |
| scientes | of course, when I install flash, I like to install a _really_ old version; and you cant do that if you install the 64-bit version | Jan 13 23:45 |
| cubezzz | why really old flash? | Jan 13 23:46 |
| scientes | also, youtube supports HTML5, but it wont "just work" with non-flash, which is quite a political point | Jan 13 23:46 |
| scientes | if you use their new embed code, it will work on other pages | Jan 13 23:46 |
| scientes | cubezzz, video sites support old flash, but it holds back a platform i wouldn't want to push | Jan 13 23:47 |
| scientes | and the new flash stuff has great free software support as well | Jan 13 23:47 |
| scientes | (very newest) | Jan 13 23:48 |
| scientes | i forget what the problem is called | Jan 13 23:48 |
| scientes | *program | Jan 13 23:48 |
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| cubezzz | gnash? | Jan 13 23:48 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGNn9-9hCJ4&feature=related | Jan 13 23:48 |
| scientes | cubezzz, no | Jan 13 23:48 |
| scientes | http://lightspark.github.com/ | Jan 13 23:50 |
| scientes | LLVM based | Jan 13 23:50 |
| brendyn | i guess ill just go back to the old version of mint | Jan 13 23:50 |
| scientes | brendyn, how did it break? | Jan 13 23:51 |
| brendyn | it suddenly stopped loading the interface and had some process eating up cpu | Jan 13 23:51 |
| brendyn | i found out that it did the same thing after the upgrade | Jan 13 23:51 |
| brendyn | and realise that deleting his old config fixed it | Jan 13 23:51 |
| brendyn | i dont know which config | Jan 13 23:52 |
| brendyn | just all the .directories | Jan 13 23:52 |
| scientes | just use htop | Jan 13 23:52 |
| scientes | to see whats having trouble | Jan 13 23:52 |
| brendyn | it was gvfs | Jan 13 23:52 |
| brendyn | i tihnk its called | Jan 13 23:52 |
| scientes | hmm | Jan 13 23:52 |
| scientes | gvfs is great | Jan 13 23:52 |
| brendyn | hyphen something | Jan 13 23:52 |
| scientes | i use it all the time (doesn't mean you didn't have a problem) | Jan 13 23:53 |
| brendyn | no idea what it was doing on dads computer | Jan 13 23:53 |
| scientes | its part of default gnome | Jan 13 23:53 |
| scientes | lets you put something like ssh://user:password@host/directory in nautilus | Jan 13 23:53 |
| scientes | or webdav, etc | Jan 13 23:53 |
| brendyn | well he doesnt need it | Jan 13 23:54 |
| scientes | and the .gvfs lets POSIX programs use it via FUSE | Jan 13 23:54 |
| scientes | evolutions support of groupware uses it | Jan 13 23:54 |
| brendyn | he uses evolution | Jan 13 23:55 |
| scientes | but not exchange, etc--so probably doesn't need it | Jan 13 23:55 |
| scientes | but reseting it isn't a problem | Jan 13 23:55 |
| scientes | wierd | Jan 13 23:55 |
| scientes | ... | Jan 13 23:55 |
| brendyn | currently all his email settings are borked after i presented them to the new version and it said it had to update the database/config to the latest version | Jan 13 23:55 |
| scientes | eek | Jan 13 23:55 |
| brendyn | i have backups though | Jan 13 23:56 |
| brendyn | er.. a backup | Jan 13 23:56 |
| scientes | evolution also has a backup functionality | Jan 13 23:56 |
| brendyn | yeah i figured just rysncing the whole home folder would do the trick | Jan 13 23:56 |
| scientes | i've never had trouble upgrading, except for when pulseaudio was just stupid for the nice audio card I had | Jan 13 23:56 |
| brendyn | well i think going back to the LTS is wise anyway | Jan 13 23:57 |
| scientes | ^definitely | Jan 13 23:57 |
| brendyn | ill try put everything neatly back where i got it | Jan 13 23:57 |
| brendyn | and hope he can continue on without much trouble | Jan 13 23:57 |
| fewt | DaemonFC: You have to fill out a form and get approval from Adobe to distribute Flash. You can't legally distribute it without one. Also, similar for Fluendo. You have to go to the store, and do a zero cost purchase, that gives you distribution rights for one year. They are there for simplicity sake, but you are right users could install it themselves. Integrating it, and fixing common problems out of the box though improves the | Jan 13 23:57 |
| scientes | althouigh the new one is coming out in only 3 months.... | Jan 13 23:57 |
| brendyn | well i need it yesterday | Jan 13 23:57 |
| scientes | what a mess | Jan 13 23:58 |
| brendyn | and even so, god knows what the new one is going to be like | Jan 13 23:58 |
| brendyn | gnome 3? | Jan 13 23:58 |
| scientes | i havn't used mint, but when my mom hired someone to install linux on her new computer that guy installed mint on there | Jan 13 23:58 |
| brendyn | its going to be a disaster no matter what | Jan 13 23:58 |
| scientes | no problems yet however (I havn't _touched_ the machine) | Jan 13 23:58 |
| scientes | brendyn, ubuntu will use unity (with gnome 3 but no gnome-shell) | Jan 13 23:59 |
| scientes | it still has evolution | Jan 13 23:59 |
| scientes | I am using gnome-shell right now and liking it | Jan 13 23:59 |
| scientes | and integration of evolution calendar, and empathy | Jan 13 23:59 |
| brendyn | its will max out his computer | Jan 13 23:59 |
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