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XFaCEDaemonFC: Yes is yes. :SJan 15 00:00
DaemonFCuntil they make you a citizen, you're there because they let you stay thereJan 15 00:00
XFaCEDaemonFC: That's pretty obviousJan 15 00:00
DaemonFCand why should the US be any different?Jan 15 00:00
MinceRXFaCE: sure, but how do they relate to immigrants?Jan 15 00:00
MinceR(i don't know, that's why i'm asking)Jan 15 00:00
XFaCEMinceR: They bitch, but then they accept it in timeJan 15 00:00
MinceR:)Jan 15 00:00
XFaCEMinceR: Quebec's immimgrant population is almost bigger than the native pop nowJan 15 00:00
MinceRicJan 15 00:01
XFaCENo wonder why Montreal is so interestingJan 15 00:01
XFaCEIt saved itself by not being TorontoJan 15 00:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: 406 days of banking blockade, Assange: 403 days detained - no charge, Manning: 600 days in jail - no trial https://t.co/OrcGw137Jan 15 00:01
schestowitzXFaCE: how so?Jan 15 00:01
XFaCEToronto isn't bad because of immigration, Toronto is bad because its Toronto :PJan 15 00:01
XFaCEschestowitz: It's a Canadian thingJan 15 00:01
XFaCEToronto is our whippinig boyJan 15 00:02
cubezzzjust wait until Toronto does it's own Linux distro: Maple Linux :)Jan 15 00:02
MinceRwhat's bad about Toronto?Jan 15 00:02
XFaCEcubezzz: It'd be Maple LinuxsJan 15 00:02
XFaCEMinceR: It's just so... TorontoJan 15 00:02
schestowitzI heard Toronto is divided into ethnic regionsJan 15 00:02
cubezzzthe garbage guys go on strike all the time :)Jan 15 00:03
XFaCEschestowitz: Indeed, that is a cool part about itJan 15 00:03
DaemonFCIndiana has some immigration lawsJan 15 00:03
schestowitz[from a  friend who grew up in TO all his life]Jan 15 00:03
XFaCEschestowitz: Chinatown in Toronto is interestingJan 15 00:03
DaemonFCthey're specifically designed to work within the boundaries of the federal laws thoughJan 15 00:03
DaemonFCI think they're pretty reasonableJan 15 00:03
XFaCEDaemonFC: It's more of a culture thingJan 15 00:03
schestowitzGreater Manchester is a bit like thatJan 15 00:03
DaemonFCillegal immigrants can't get state contractsJan 15 00:03
DaemonFCor state jobsJan 15 00:03
DaemonFCemployers who have state contracts must use E-verifyJan 15 00:04
XFaCEDaemonFC: Do you understand the concept of a mosaic vs the melting pot?Jan 15 00:04
schestowitzYou might not need to see a name on an envelope to see the ethnicity, just the postcodeJan 15 00:04
DaemonFCillegal immigrants are ineligible for state welfareJan 15 00:04
DaemonFCor for state ID or drivers licensesJan 15 00:04
DaemonFCIndiana does not recognize drivers licenses or state IDs issued to illegal immigrants from other statesJan 15 00:04
cubezzzmosaic sounds more separatedJan 15 00:04
XFaCEcubezzz: Not exactlyJan 15 00:04
XFaCEThe concept of a mosaic is that we aren't trying to make you CanadianJan 15 00:04
cubezzzah okJan 15 00:05
XFaCEWe accept that culture enrish an existing tapestryJan 15 00:05
XFaCEan infusion of new ideasJan 15 00:05
XFaCEand new ways of doing thingsJan 15 00:05
cubezzzI'm sure the Leafs will win the cup this year.... hahahahaJan 15 00:05
XFaCEThe concept of a Canadian, therby, is in fluxJan 15 00:05
XFaCEAlways evolvingJan 15 00:05
DaemonFCIndiana won't participate in any welfare programs with federal funding, where the funding is contingent on covering illegal immigrantsJan 15 00:06
XFaCEof course, all this stuff may dissapear when Heil Harper is doneJan 15 00:06
DaemonFCI'm not sure there are any though, but that's the lawJan 15 00:06
XFaCEbbl supperJan 15 00:06
schestowitzcan uv duhJan 15 00:06
cubezzzoh well you can't blame me, I voted NDP :)Jan 15 00:07
schestowitzNational Dem Party?Jan 15 00:07
cubezzzclose... New Democratic PartyJan 15 00:08
schestowitzwhat happend to old one?Jan 15 00:08
schestowitzThere's "new labbour' in the UKJan 15 00:08
schestowitzrebranding crapJan 15 00:08
cubezzzNDP's been around a whileJan 15 00:09
cubezzzsince 1961Jan 15 00:09
cubezzzok, I promise not to make a distro called "New Linux" :)Jan 15 00:11
cubezzzNew CokeJan 15 00:12
cubezzzNew MicrosoftJan 15 00:12
MinceRNew MathJan 15 00:12
cubezzzyeah new math didn't work out too wellJan 15 00:15
MinceR"it won't do you a bit of good to review math"Jan 15 00:15
cubezzzhigher levels of abstraction should come later, not earlierJan 15 00:15
cubezzznew math was a bit before my timeJan 15 00:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] #Android Design - Welcome http://goo.gl/mraFaJan 15 00:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[faither/@faither] Why did no one report on the #wine 1.3.37 release? :PJan 15 00:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Post Collapse Barter: The Rest of the Story, by D.T.R. - SurvivalBlog.com http://goo.gl/4uBFn #preppersJan 15 00:33
DaemonFCschestowitz: https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions#/!/response/combating-online-piracy-while-protecting-open-and-innovative-internetJan 15 00:40
DaemonFCresponse to the veto SOPA petitionJan 15 00:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Preserving #Food in a Grid-Down Situation - Modern Survival Blog – surviving uncertain times http://goo.gl/W2zPe #preppersJan 15 00:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] How To Prepare For The Difficult Years Ahead http://goo.gl/iwwLY #preppersJan 15 00:44
MinceR"fuck freedom" in so many words...Jan 15 00:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] The Crisis of Civilization (video) | COLLAPSENET http://goo.gl/w0RXS #collapseJan 15 01:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Greek Debt Talks Halted, Appear Close to #Collapse | COLLAPSENET http://goo.gl/RRMRO #eu #greeceJan 15 01:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] voted for "Yes"Jan 15 01:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] #Iran Has Evidence of #CIA-Led Assassinations | COLLAPSENET http://goo.gl/1gv9J #usa #stateterrorism #wwiii http://goo.gl/MD5lTJan 15 01:09
MinceRgnJan 15 01:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Finally in bus to #lca2012Jan 15 01:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mattl/@mattl] Shaved my beard off... not sure if to grow it back or not... Plus bonus cat photo. http://i.imgur.com/AdkJF.jpgJan 15 01:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mattl/@mattl] Comparison shot -- http://i.imgur.com/CFhnS.jpg (no cat)Jan 15 01:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mattl/@mattl] That you presume I'm not a giant is rather charming.Jan 15 01:41
XFaCEMinceR: WTF is the point of these surveysJan 15 01:49
XFaCE"Moving forward, we will continue to work with Congress on a bipartisan basis on legislation that provides new tools needed in the global fight against piracy and counterfeiting, while vigorously defending an open Internet based on the values of free expression, privacy, security and innovation. Again, thank you for taking the time to participate in this important process. We hope you’ll continue to be part of it."Jan 15 01:49
XFaCEDurrrr, tanks for datJan 15 01:49
XFaCEAll of them, including the one who wrote this propaganda, should be placed in a vat of manure for 72 hoursJan 15 01:50
XFaCEAnd then tagged, and released in the Northwest TerritoriesJan 15 01:51
XFaCEDaemonFC: The US can stop dictating the world nowJan 15 01:52
XFaCEDo all the protectionist schemes, isolate from the worldJan 15 01:52
XFaCEWe all winJan 15 01:52
XFaCEor at least the majority does. :)Jan 15 01:52
DaemonFCwell, she was a Bush appointment from back in 2008 before he left officeJan 15 01:52
XFaCESpeaking of DurrrrJan 15 01:52
DaemonFCthat position is defined as a lifetime civil servant positionJan 15 01:53
DaemonFCso Obama couldn't remove her if he wanted toJan 15 01:53
DaemonFCunless the law was changedJan 15 01:53
XFaCEDaemonFC: In a goo0d world, that wouldn't matterJan 15 01:54
XFaCEBecause that law would only effect the USJan 15 01:54
XFaCEthe fact I have to give a shit about such a US gov't positions hows a pretty big flaw in the worldJan 15 01:55
palmer1tru datJan 15 01:55
*palmer1 is now known as DDRPJan 15 01:55
*XFaCE gives voice to DDRPJan 15 01:55
DaemonFCyou only have to deal with it to the extent that your government accepts whatever the US demandsJan 15 01:55
DaemonFCI'm automatically fucked when my government makes such a hostile and repressive lawJan 15 01:56
XFaCEDaemonFC: You only have to deal with it to the extent that your government accepts whatever the US *corporations* demand.Jan 15 01:56
XFaCEFixed that for yaJan 15 01:56
DaemonFCwell, they must be paying off your government officials as wellJan 15 01:56
DaemonFCor your government would tell them to go fuck themselvesJan 15 01:57
XFaCEDaemonFC: Why else would the CRTC exist in its current form?Jan 15 01:57
DaemonFCso I think there's more direct corruption of your government at work here than what you're implyingJan 15 01:57
DDRPThere was a story this week about a UK citizen having a judgement that he should be extradited to the US because they own us, or somthing... due to copyright infringement Jan 15 01:57
XFaCEDaemonFC: Oh I don't need to imply at all. Harper implies just fine.Jan 15 01:57
XFaCEThere's no reply at all, but there's definitely implyJan 15 01:58
XFaCEDaemonFC: Adblock plus has been forked BTWJan 15 02:00
XFaCEDaemonFC: Trueblock plusJan 15 02:00
schestowitzJoindiaspora  is borked againJan 15 02:04
schestowitzshowing old posts onlyJan 15 02:04
DaemonFCI was one of the people calling for Adblock Plus to be forkedJan 15 02:06
DaemonFCWladimir Palant is corrupt and mad with powerJan 15 02:06
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XFaCEDaemonFC: The trolls told me that's was Roy is.Jan 15 02:22
schestowitzouchJan 15 02:22
schestowitzauto-postsJan 15 02:22
schestowitzcya 2morrowJan 15 02:22
XFaCEschestowitz: see ya!Jan 15 02:22
XFaCE:)Jan 15 02:23
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DaemonFCfewt's Linsux people call him ShitzferwitzJan 15 02:39
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DaemonFCTwo MP3 patents expire this monthJan 15 02:44
DaemonFC5,384,811 and 5,736,943Jan 15 02:45
DaemonFCboth of them are encoding patentsJan 15 02:46
DaemonFCtwo more will expire this yearJan 15 02:47
DaemonFC5,341,457, which will expire on October 16thJan 15 02:47
DaemonFCwhich is an encoding related patentJan 15 02:47
DaemonFCand 5,455,833, which is a decoding related patent needed for error detection in the bitstream, expires on October 3rdJan 15 02:48
DaemonFCthey're dying off, just not fast enoughJan 15 02:49
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DaemonFCThis leaves 5,321,729, which expires April 26, 2013, 5,559,834 which expires Septermber 24, 2013, RE39,080 which expires on May 6, 2014, 5,706,309 which expires January 6, 2015. 5,701,346 which expires February 2, 2015, 5,742,735 which expires April 21, 2015, 5,812,672 expires September 22, 2015, 5,579,430 expires November 26, 2016, 6,185,539 on February 19, 2017, 6,009,399 on April 16, 2017, 5,924,060 on August 29, 2017, and finally 5,703,999 on Jan 15 02:54
DaemonFCDecember 30, 2017Jan 15 02:54
DaemonFCso MP3 is emcumbered by at least 16 patents, by the end of this month that will be down to 14, and on December 30, 2017 MP3 will be freeJan 15 02:56
DaemonFC5 years, 11 months, and some changeJan 15 02:56
DaemonFCMP3 will be 24 years old when it is freeJan 15 02:57
DaemonFCI will be 34Jan 15 02:58
DaemonFCand this assumes that none of them get an extension or MP3 could be encumbered for years beyond thatJan 15 02:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Yes, I need to build a new client library. Tiresome.Jan 15 03:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Rupert Murdoch is his usual sleazeball self http://ur1.ca/7i09mJan 15 03:24
XFaCEDaemonFC: And by then, MP3 will hopefully be deadJan 15 03:33
XFaCEDaemonFC: Ogg players and allJan 15 03:33
XFaCEOr even better, Flac playersJan 15 03:34
XFaCE:DJan 15 03:34
XFaCEwith a terrabyte of spaceJan 15 03:34
XFaCEDaemonFC: By 2017, methinks we'll be worrying about more things than MP3 patentsJan 15 03:34
scientesi try not to think about patentsJan 15 03:50
scientesbetter for the brainJan 15 03:50
scientesinfact i don't even have to tryJan 15 03:51
scienteshowever in order for this stance to be in line with the order of the world, I have to be ready, when any random person brings up patents in any semi-serious way, to smack them in the jaw without flinchingJan 15 03:51
scientesfor even thinking such evil thoughtsJan 15 03:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jrepin/@jrepin] RT @araceletorres Calligra on Android - http://ur1.ca/7ftbwJan 15 04:03
scienteshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRGEnakrx9oJan 15 04:03
scientesPrint Me If You DareJan 15 04:04
scientesFirmware Modification Attacks and the Rise of Printer MalwareJan 15 04:04
scientesNetwork printers are ubiquitous fixtures within the modern IT infrastructure. Residing within sensitive networks and lacking in security, these devices represent high-value targets that can theoretically be used not only to manipulate and exfiltrate the sensitive information such as network credentials and sensitive documents, but also as fully functional general-purpose bot-nodes which give attackers a stealthy, persistent foothold inside tJan 15 04:04
scienteshe victim network for further recognizance, exploitation and exfiltration.Jan 15 04:04
scientesWe first present several generic firmware modification attacks against HP printers. Weaknesses within the firmware update process allows the attacker to make arbitrary modifications to the NVRAM contents of the device. The attacks we present exploit a functional vulnerability common to all HP printers, and do not depend on any specific code vulnerability. These attacks cannot be prevented by any authentication mechanism on the printer, and cJan 15 04:04
scientesan be delivered over the network, either directly or through a print server (active attack) and as hidden payloads within documents (reflexive attack).Jan 15 04:04
scientesIn order to demonstrate these firmware modification attacks, we present a detailed description of several common HP firmware RFU (remote firmware update) formats, including the general file format, along with the compression and checksum algorithms used. Furthermore, we will release a tool (HPacker), which can unpack existing RFUs and create/pack arbitrary RFUs. This information was obtained by analysis of publicly available RFUs as well as Jan 15 04:04
scientesreverse engineering the SPI BootRom contents of several printers.Jan 15 04:04
scientesNext, we describe the design and operation a sophisticated piece of malware for HP (P2050) printers. Essentially a VxWorks rootkit, this malware is equipped with: port scanner, covert reverse-IP proxy, print-job snooper that can monitor, intercept, manipulate and exfiltrate incoming print-jobs, a live code update mechanism, and more (see presentation outline below). Lastly, we will demonstrate a self-propagation mechanism, turning this malwaJan 15 04:04
scientesre into a full-blown printer worm.Jan 15 04:04
scientesUsing HPacker, we demonstrate the injection of our malware into arbitrary P2050 RFUs, and show how similar malware can be created for other popular HP printer types. Next, we demonstrate the delivery of this modified firmware update over the network to a fully locked-down printer.Jan 15 04:04
scientesLastly, we present an accurate distribution of all HP printers vulnerable to our attack, as determined by our global embedded device vulnerability scanner (see [1]). Our scan is still incomplete, but extrapolating from available data, we estimate that there exist at least 100,000 HP printers that can be compromised through an active attack, and several million devices that can be compromised through reflexive attacks. We will present a detaiJan 15 04:04
scientesled breakdown of the geographical and organizational distribution of observable vulnerable printers in the world.Jan 15 04:04
scientes*We have also unpacked several engine-control processor firmwares (different from the main SoC) and are currently attempting to locate code related to tracking dots. Perhaps we will have some results by December. In any case, HPacker will help the community to do further research in this direction, possibly allowing us to spoof / disable these yellow dots of burden.Jan 15 04:04
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ziggyfish_hello allJan 15 04:20
DaemonFCvxworks is what NASA used on the Mars roversJan 15 04:21
scienteswhat is it?Jan 15 04:22
scientesa RTOS?Jan 15 04:22
DaemonFCvxworks itself is proprietary, but its Ada implementation is GNU AdaJan 15 04:23
DaemonFClicensed under the GPLJan 15 04:23
DaemonFCso free software on MarsJan 15 04:23
DaemonFCcoolJan 15 04:23
scientesis it a kernel?Jan 15 04:23
DaemonFC:)Jan 15 04:23
DaemonFCit is a real time operating systemJan 15 04:23
DaemonFCit is microkernel basedJan 15 04:23
DaemonFCIntel has owned Wind River Systems since 2009Jan 15 04:24
DaemonFCso vxworks is now owned by IntelJan 15 04:24
DaemonFCbut it wasn't at the time NASA used it on the Mars roversJan 15 04:24
DaemonFCI edited the vxworks article just nowJan 15 04:27
DaemonFCto remove the term Intel 64 and replace it with X86-64Jan 15 04:27
DaemonFC(→Design: Intel64 is Intel's marketing name for the 64-bit x86 extensions made by AMD as AMD64, I believe it would be better to use the generic name of the arch to avoid free advertising for Intel over something they did not create.)Jan 15 04:27
scienteshttp://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2012/01/apple-invents-an-ingenious-security-system-for-the-iwallet-era.htmlJan 15 04:28
DaemonFCthere really are differences between Intel 64 and AMD64, but they are minorJan 15 04:29
scientesyou mean EMT64Jan 15 04:29
DaemonFCalmost every compiler uses the features that are supported by both (which is more or less the entire thing)Jan 15 04:29
DaemonFCno, they renamed it againJan 15 04:29
DaemonFCtheirs is Intel 64 nowJan 15 04:29
scientesgod damnJan 15 04:29
DaemonFC:PJan 15 04:29
scientesand what is itanium called?Jan 15 04:30
scientesfor x86_64/amd64Jan 15 04:30
DaemonFCItanium is IA-64Jan 15 04:30
DaemonFCIntel's Itanium IA-64 architecture is fully incompatible with x86, period. It required either an x86 CPU embedded into the Itanium CPU or software emulation of x86 (Itanium 2) to run x86 executablesJan 15 04:31
DaemonFCIntel never intended to extend x86 to 64-bit, they wanted to make everyone keep using x86-32 with Physical Address Extension, which is their name for 36-bit memory addressingJan 15 04:31
DaemonFCwhich would have only solved the problem until you needed more than 64 GB of memoryJan 15 04:32
DaemonFCthat way it would still be viable for the desktop, but anyone that needed more than 64 GB would have toi buy an Itanium from Intel for thousands of dollarsJan 15 04:32
DaemonFC:)Jan 15 04:32
DaemonFCWoW64 for Windows (Windows on Windows 64-bit) was originally made for the Itanium so that it could direct x86-32 software to use either the x86-32 core on Itanium or the software emulator for x86-32, which was written by Microsoft and IntelJan 15 04:33
DaemonFCthe version of WoW64 that you see on Windows for x86-64 is a trimmed down version of it that only has to switch the processor from one context to another as needed in x86-64 Long ModeJan 15 04:34
DaemonFC:)Jan 15 04:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Brilliant :- XDA to Go Dark on Jan 18th at 8AM; Won't come back up until 50K users call their local gov reps ! http://... http://b1t.it/avvwJan 15 04:34
DaemonFCAnd they would have gotten away with it to, if it weren't for AMD, and that pesky dog!Jan 15 04:34
DaemonFCmuahahahaaaaa!!!Jan 15 04:35
*DaemonFC twirls mustacheJan 15 04:35
DaemonFCsince AMD has patents on x86-64, they used it as leverage to extend their license for x86 itself (from Intel) Jan 15 04:36
DaemonFCso what you have now is cross licensingJan 15 04:36
DaemonFCthat was the primary reason for AMD coming up with X86-64, to give them some leverage over IntelJan 15 04:37
DaemonFCI can't say I blame them either, Intel is the Microsoft of CPUsJan 15 04:37
DaemonFCMicrosoft liked it because it meant that you have full speed and flawless backward compatibility with x86-32 applications and the CPU itself can act as an x86-32 CPU if you run an x86-32 OS on itJan 15 04:38
DaemonFCit made the migration more or less transparent to the end userJan 15 04:39
DaemonFCand Microsoft no longer had to maintain a port of Windows to a niche architectureJan 15 04:39
DaemonFCof course, Linux was ported to x86-64 before the hardware was even available to anyone outside of AMDJan 15 04:39
DaemonFC:)Jan 15 04:39
DaemonFCit took until around 2010 for most x86 Windows users to be using x86-64Jan 15 04:40
DaemonFCaccording to Smolt, which is primarily representative of Fedora and OpenSuse users, x86-64 has been the majority since around 2007 on LinuxJan 15 04:40
DaemonFCand x86-64 users on Linux now outnumber x86-32 Linux users by 4-1Jan 15 04:41
DaemonFCactually, that's not fair to x86-64, I rounded downJan 15 04:42
DaemonFCit's actually somewhere between 4-1 and 5-1Jan 15 04:42
DaemonFCand less and less Linux users even need the backward compatibility with x86-32 unless they want to run Windows applications on Wine or somethingJan 15 04:43
DaemonFCor several pieces of proprietary software with no x86-64 portJan 15 04:43
DaemonFCsome games from the Humble Bundle jump out at meJan 15 04:43
DaemonFCand so is that new Corel AfterShot ProJan 15 04:44
DaemonFCI dug around and noticed that the x86-64 DEB was actually x86-32 bit software with some path names changed aroundJan 15 04:44
DaemonFCsince Debian and Ubuntu violate the Filesystem Hierarchy StandardJan 15 04:45
DaemonFCand RPM distributions don't violate the standardJan 15 04:45
DaemonFCthere only needed to be one RPM Jan 15 04:45
DaemonFC:)Jan 15 04:45
DaemonFCthat's also the reason why some of those Humble Bundle games have a 64-bit DEB but only a 32-bit RPMJan 15 04:46
DaemonFC32-bit software in a DEB for 64-bit Debian based operating systemsJan 15 04:47
DaemonFCsince Debian is a standard violatorJan 15 04:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Quoth the raven, nevermore. #POEtryJan 15 05:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] #SOPA #PIPA #BLACKOUT http://ur1.ca/7i23sJan 15 05:09
DaemonFCWhat gets me is all these freaks in Utah with their 12 wives and 10 concubines preaching about how it's wrong to be gayJan 15 05:15
DaemonFCthey get their own TV shows and use them as a soapbox Jan 15 05:15
DaemonFC"Sister Wives", how far down have we fallen when we start doing reality shows about a guy with like, literally, a wife and family and house for each day of the week?Jan 15 05:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Shared a post "Because we were just discussing this. And BTW, I pirated this picture off Google Image Search." https:/... http://b1t.it/avwxJan 15 05:19
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Finally at #lca2012. Liking the contents of the swag - a keep cup (http://www.keepcup.com/) and http://ur1.ca/7i2yx. Nice. #fbJan 15 06:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Check out my result from Speedtest.net! http://ur1.ca/7i3ey using Optus mobile broadband #fbJan 15 06:49
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DaemonFChttp://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=98326Jan 15 07:41
DaemonFCI ran into thatJan 15 07:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Anti-Băsescu protests: Police clash with protesters in #Romania http://ur1.ca/7i48s http://ur1.ca/7i48t #video #ows #cnnJan 15 07:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxconfau/@linuxconfau] #LCA2012 t-shirt not a good fit? We'll be doing swaps from Wednesday at Rego Desk, but not before - need to get people registered first!Jan 15 07:51
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxconfau/@linuxconfau] Registration is now closed until 8am tomorrow morning - Accommodation is still open so you can get your key etc etc #LCA2012Jan 15 08:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @x11r5: @lnxwalt280 Say... You belong to me, my home timeline again << a dedication of love = true :DJan 15 08:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @x11r5: @corenominal, today i have a better medicine for more more drama: "my battery's dying! My battery's dyiJan 15 08:03
DaemonFChttps://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/trueblock-plus/Jan 15 08:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxconfau/@linuxconfau] RT @_mig5: Confirmed 19:08 train to Ballarat cancelled and replaced by buses <-- yep, busses still replacing trainsJan 15 08:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxconfau/@linuxconfau] We now have an Issues Register - if there's an issue, and we know about it, it's listed on this page. Feel free to list others. #LCA2012Jan 15 08:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxconfau/@linuxconfau] Issues Register here: http://bit.ly/zqyExk #LCA2012Jan 15 08:16
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amarsh04http://theater.nytimes.com/2011/10/18/theater/reviews/the-agony-and-the-ecstasy-of-steve-jobs-review.htmlJan 15 09:20
schestowitz"There was one somewhere, but I can't recall exactly where. I'll keep an eye out. "  "Here are two different points of reference, all on the first Google search page: http://tinyurl.com/82ljcbr http://projects.propublica.org/sopa/ Sorry for being so long. I had to make a cup of tea. "  https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1182422Jan 15 09:28
schestowitz"Thank you, I will be passing these on. " "Heh, no problem and thank you. I will be passing these on. "Jan 15 09:28
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schestowitzGentoo  https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1184730Jan 15 10:45
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*amarsh04 has been tinkering getting his old fidonet software running under dosbox now that he has a faster motherboardJan 15 11:09
amarsh04the number of places I had com port 2 hard-wired rather than using a variable for it set once was amazingJan 15 11:10
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/1184730 "Jan 15 11:21
schestowitzCentOS should be Red Hat. Fedora as well (redhat). OpenSUSE is interesting operating system, but all the Linux OSs what you have mentioned are good for servers or workstation (development).Jan 15 11:21
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schestowitzi am just user. i don't need so robust operating system like Fedora, CentOS or OpenSUSE. i need just simple and minimal Linux with lightweight GUI (blackbox derivate) and apps what i need. it's funny that CommodoreOS (Mint Linux) is taking after boot more than half gigabyte of RAM. yes yes, the CommodoreOS is nice looking and ready for users which don't like to thinking about some special usage. there is Firefox, Chrome, Skype, XChat, Jan 15 11:21
schestowitzand some necessarily applications (everything what is needed today). becouse the Commodore OS is specialized in emulation (of commodore old computers), wine (support for windows apps) and virtualization (virtualbox). i am testing the CommodoreOS two weeks and i am very pleased with this distro, everything what is need the CommodoreOS is 2GB RAM and more.Jan 15 11:21
schestowitzbut futuresound of good Linux distribution is ArchLinux (for our computers). we doing templates of archlinux for different usage (for powerusers). for usual consumers we using Debian/Ubuntu/Mint distributions.Jan 15 11:21
schestowitzwhat i would like to try and play with it, is the Hurd Linux and NetBSD. but i need free time, like everyone :DJan 15 11:21
schestowitz"Jan 15 11:21
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schestowitz"i am comming from Slovakia, so my english can have some bugs in grama. i am still learning. thanks for understanding. " https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1184730Jan 15 11:24
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schestowitz"i am realy happy for VLC player. is multiplatform and have megapossibilities (not only play a multimedia files;) " https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1184727Jan 15 11:27
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] movie trivia: two stars of #Trainspotting were also in #HarryPotterJan 15 11:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxconfau/@linuxconfau] A huge shout out to our amazing Volunteers for all their efforts today - you're all amazing and very much appreciated! #LCA2012Jan 15 11:49
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schestowitz"Totally agree. But it's not only the best PDF viewer for Linux - there is no better PDF viewer even for Windows or Mac." "There's no problem with pdf viewers in the Linux environment these days. What's needed is a little more work on pdf editors."Jan 15 11:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] 'Standard' duty? More US battle ships head to Persian Gulf — RT #iran http://goo.gl/v1uLe #usa #israel #stateterrorismJan 15 12:15
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schestowitzhey, ziggyfish_Jan 15 12:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Why It’s Justified to be a Contrarian http://ur1.ca/7i8az #opinionJan 15 12:22
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ziggyfish_schestowitz, hey, haven't been here for a while, I thought I might see how bn was doingJan 15 12:22
*amarsh04 wonders whether "Standard" duty meant Standard Oil or that .us military always hangs around when oil is involvedJan 15 12:22
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schestowitzBN was a successJan 15 12:23
schestowitzNovell is deadJan 15 12:23
ziggyfish_nice, I was reading the result of the partition today, very interestingJan 15 12:24
ziggyfish_he is right though, the people behind these partitions need to explain the economic reasons why software patents should not exist.Jan 15 12:25
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amarsh04Wouldn't Obama know of Benjamin Franklin's stove - deliberately not patented, and President Taft getting the safety match patent bought out, both cases where the public good was better served by not having patents?Jan 15 12:28
ziggyfish_amarsh04, but Obama isn't the one who makes the law, he is just the face of the party in powerJan 15 12:29
amarsh04true, but he can vetoJan 15 12:29
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[docufoundation/@docufoundation] One more week to apply for hosting the LibreOffice Conference 2012: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/CallforLocation !libo !tdfJan 15 12:32
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ziggyfish_amarsh04, he has better things to do than to look at every single issue in the US, thats the responsibility of the delegates in the party to tell him what needs to be done.Jan 15 12:32
ziggyfish_over in the Aus we call them ministers, don't know what you call them in the USJan 15 12:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] AST NIGHT I wrote a response to a very dear person (for whom I also took the picture above). It was long and somewhat p http://ur1.ca/7i8azJan 15 12:33
*amarsh04 is in oz alsoJan 15 12:34
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ziggyfish_schestowitz, your in the US?Jan 15 12:34
amarsh04the .us president still has to sign new legislation and if he vetos it, the congress has to get a 2/3 majority to get it past the presidential vetoJan 15 12:35
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ziggyfish_amarsh04, the biggest problem with software patents is the life of the patent, 25 years is a long timeJan 15 12:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] The Best #PDF Viewer for Linux http://goo.gl/19MLo #flosstools #gnulinux vi@schestowitzJan 15 12:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] My Most Common Blogging Platform http://ur1.ca/7i8ue #palmJan 15 12:55
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] LOT of people may not know this, but most of my blogging I actually do from a proprietary operating system, Palm OS. I http://ur1.ca/7i8ueJan 15 13:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Who Created WordPress? http://ur1.ca/7i90e #WordPress #GPL #b2Jan 15 13:05
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] #Iran Air Flight 655 - Wikipedia http://goo.gl/8BNSG who's the terrorists? #usa #stateterrorismJan 15 13:12
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxconfau/@linuxconfau] Toilets in C building now much less reeky and more usable. Many thanks to @RealityAnomoly for all her efforts #LCA2012Jan 15 13:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Who's the thief here, #Tesco? http://gu.com/p/34yvjJan 15 13:39
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iophkRe: "My Most Common Blogging Platform: Palm OS", is that a bluetooth keyboard or how is it connected?Jan 15 13:39
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/88690155Jan 15 13:40
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schestowitziophk: Universal ConnectorJan 15 13:40
schestowitzI think it's obsolete by now, Palm moved to USB laterJan 15 13:40
iophkthanks.Jan 15 13:41
schestowitzThe one in the photo is a Dell keyboardJan 15 13:41
schestowitzpat of my computer at my older office (manchester computing)Jan 15 13:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Mr. Fitness 2012 http://ur1.ca/7i9p6 too cold for practice today, so re... http://b1t.it/avKgJan 15 13:44
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Failed !football coaching scheme cost taxpayers £6m http://goo.gl/OXsioJan 15 13:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] HE Mr. Fitness 2012 competition kicks off tomorrow and I’ve signed up to participate in it. I am in a good positi http://ur1.ca/7i9p6Jan 15 13:54
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Greenpeace, Misereor und Bundesärztekammer lehnen Gen-Patente ab - http://bit.ly/yiTj5U striking alliance #genepatents (v @FFII)Jan 15 13:57
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/88691395 http://identi.ca/notice/88688558Jan 15 14:00
TechrightsBot-tr@Gordon Sinclair (thistleweb)'s status on Sunday, 15-Jan-12 13:49:54 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz oogle? sounds like a search engine for voyeurs - yer missing first letters in dentsJan 15 14:00
TechrightsBot-tr@Gordon Sinclair (thistleweb)'s status on Sunday, 15-Jan-12 12:37:17 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz is this a subtle #SOPA protest? miss the first letter of each dent? ;)Jan 15 14:00
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schestowitz"Goof comments AmiBoy, point are well taken. I like a full distro such as Ubuntu and its clones, which provide many options and configurations. I like modify configurations and customize the O/S so Ubuntu offer many more solutions. I als0 have a Android tables which has worked out so well; it has replaced my laptop. #linux #ubuntu "Jan 15 14:03
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/1184730Jan 15 14:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] INYURL used to be one among few services that shortened long URLs for people (snipurl was another). These services woul http://ur1.ca/7i9zbJan 15 14:09
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] RT @identica Identi.ca will be offline to protest #SOPA on 18 Jan 2012 from 8AM-8PM EST. http://ur1.ca/7hrxcJan 15 14:27
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schestowitz"I use Okular via [KPartsPlugin](http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KParts+Plugin?content=125066) in Firefox to view most PDF files, it's simply great and I got rid of the Adobe stuff ages ago. And Okular also excels in viewing #comics, gotta love it. :)" https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1184740Jan 15 14:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] RT @denis608 Desktop based on KDE. http://razor-qt.org/ http://ur1.ca/7ian4Jan 15 14:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[torproject/@torproject] Our progress report for December 2011 is now available: https://blog.torproject.org/blog/december-2011-progress-reportJan 15 14:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Linux-Based EverSense, A Smart Thermostat http://ur1.ca/7iasr #linuxJan 15 14:52
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] Why does my list of followers come up different every time? !identicaJan 15 14:57
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fewtDaemonFC: I saw your comment on shitzferwitz so I did a search: No results found for 'shitzferwitz'.No results found for 'shitzferwitz'.Jan 15 15:17
fewtTook it to google thinking it would give me a better view, the only links to that slur point back here.Jan 15 15:18
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schestowitz> Hello Friend!Jan 15 15:46
schestowitz> Jan 15 15:46
schestowitz> World is destroying itself! Remember!Jan 15 15:46
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schestowitz> http://www.infoworld.com/d/computer-hardware/windows-8-arm-you-can-look-you-cant-touch-184164Jan 15 15:46
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schestowitz> http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4234628/Windows-on-ARM-will-not-be-terribly-successful-says-analyst-Jan 15 15:46
schestowitz> www.infoworld.com/d/the-industry-standard/apple-loses-first-round-in-itc-case-against-motorola-184162Jan 15 15:46
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schestowitz> <http://www.infoworld.com/d/the-industry-standard/apple-loses-first-round-in-itc-case-against-motorola-184162>Jan 15 15:46
schestowitz> http://www.theverge.com/2012/1/13/2706226/ftc-expanding-antitrust-probe-to-include-google-says-bloombergJan 15 15:46
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schestowitz> http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/12/malicious-software-attacks-security-cards-used-by-pentagon/?src=me&ref=technologyJan 15 15:46
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schestowitz> <http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/12/malicious-software-attacks-security-cards-used-by-pentagon/?src=me&ref=technology>Jan 15 15:46
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schestowitz> http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/jan/15/microsoft-word-processing-literature-naughtonJan 15 15:46
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] USS Liberty Dead in the Water (Full Movie) Americans Murdered by #Israel - YouTube http://goo.gl/WtkBN #falseflag #usaJan 15 15:55
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schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/mgeist/statuses/157847667127492608Jan 15 15:56
TechrightsBot-tr@mgeist: .@MinTimUppal just announced via Twitter that the government is dropping the ban on early transmission of election results.Jan 15 15:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] #IRAN: US/Israeli False Flag Attack May Be Underway | Veterans Today http://goo.gl/MsdTt #falseflag #usa #israel #wwiiiJan 15 16:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] The History of #MIT’s Blatant Suppression of Cold Fusion | Veterans Today http://goo.gl/44ZbI #energy #nwoJan 15 16:22
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Good example of smear and retraction, after the damage is done, against Assange http://t.co/h3leloCyJan 15 16:32
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Peppermint OS Two Review http://ur1.ca/7ics6 #mint #ubuntu #gnu #linucJan 15 16:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] SOPA Will Ultimately Be Our Fault http://goo.gl/fkiJn "As was the DMCA "As was The Patriot Act As was The NDAA."Jan 15 16:50
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schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/FFII/statuses/158542934801793025Jan 15 16:56
TechrightsBot-tr@FFII: Greenpeace, Misereor and German Chamber of Medicines oppose Gene patenting http://t.co/zajwdDcDJan 15 16:56
schestowitzgene patentingJan 15 16:56
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schestowitzwhat have we come to..?Jan 15 16:56
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cubezzzseems like things are getting worse? Jan 15 16:59
schestowitzin some ways--yesJan 15 16:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dyfet/@dyfet] This looks like it will be another release weekend, with minor updates for #coastal-qt and GNU SIP Witch #sipwitchJan 15 17:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] RT @bkuhn Thanks to @tmarble for taking the lead on the !FOSDEM Legal & Policy Issues DevRoom. Its schedule is now up: http://ur1.ca/7h5j8Jan 15 17:04
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scienteseek, gnome-shell=100SHR, 220 RESJan 15 17:09
scientesMB!Jan 15 17:09
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/1184804 "It's got a bad learning curve.. :("Jan 15 17:12
schestowitzBSD has a hard time selling itself against LinuxJan 15 17:12
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schestowitzthere's a nairobi LUG?Jan 15 17:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #MPAA Response to White House Position on Anti-Piracy Legislation - http://bit.ly/yCdbtj utter tosh (v @jmcest @jmcest) #sopaJan 15 17:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Para que serve a #pl118? Para pagar viagens de taxi de França até Portugal! http://goo.gl/n66J5Jan 15 17:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dyfet/@dyfet] http://ur1.ca/7idgj national internet for closed societies coming to the United StatesJan 15 17:20
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cubezzzBSD is goodJan 15 17:25
cubezzzI've spent quite a bit of time with itJan 15 17:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jankusanagi/@jankusanagi] #Dianara just got some nice FreeDesktop.org notifications http://ur1.ca/7idm2Jan 15 17:28
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cubezzzthere's more development on the linux side of courseJan 15 17:29
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cubezzzUltrix and SunOS came from BSDJan 15 17:30
cubezzzBSD actually was an add-on to Unix v6Jan 15 17:34
dyfetI remember the early sunos labs at Berkeley....it seems the sun has set on that era, though....Jan 15 17:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellogauthor/@kernellogauthor] RT @djrbliss Here's libplayground, a simple framework for developing #Linux #kernel heap exploit techniques: https://t.co/EtzNECygJan 15 17:35
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cubezzzdyfet, I still run Ultrix Jan 15 17:35
dyfetCool!Jan 15 17:35
cubezzzbut I like checking out old operating systemsJan 15 17:35
cubezzzporting stuff to Ultrix 4.5 isn't hardJan 15 17:36
cubezzz1024x868x8 framebuffer :)Jan 15 17:39
cubezzznot too shabby for 1995Jan 15 17:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] "Stopping piracy means stopping privacy. Because pirating is just communicating." /!q from #Slashdot user Pieroxy.Jan 15 17:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] YAY! :) ♻ @jankusanagi: #Dianara just got some nice FreeDesktop.org notifications http://ur1.ca/7idm2Jan 15 17:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @telecomix: Stockholm subway adblocked AFK by @plankanu http://t.co/GjqEqPKrJan 15 17:48
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scientesI would prefer the GPLJan 15 17:50
scientesif linux was under BSD it never would have taken off the way it didJan 15 17:50
scientesa testamont to the kernels power is that android, which suffers extreme GPL avoidance, still used the kernelJan 15 17:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] #NASA open-sourced aircraft design software - #OpenVSP! Yay! ur1.ca/7ie1p !freesoftwareJan 15 17:52
dyfetscientes: The GPL helps keep people focused on a common destiny as fully equal participants.  This I agree is why the Linux kernel succeeded.  BSD licensing allows some to become "more equal" than others by not sharingJan 15 17:53
scientespreciselyJan 15 17:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Dear !lazyweb, any suggestions as to best !cc licensed background/inspiring music for programming/working?Jan 15 17:55
scientesand it takes alot to get driver writers to release their source code, we need all the persuasion we can getJan 15 17:55
scientes(also, PREEMPT and other goodies...)Jan 15 17:55
dyfetLook at the time and talent became waisted and BSD development was lost in just BSDi (BSD/OS), the main proprietary BSD fork, for just one example...Jan 15 17:57
scientesthere is nothing wrong with BSD, but it just doesn't develop as fastJan 15 17:57
dyfetBSD can develop fast, but changes can also be removed or otherwise lost in proprietary ghettos....Jan 15 17:58
scientesnow, OpenBSD has a user space crypto way before linux---which has needed it ever since GeodeJan 15 17:58
scientesbut i guess geode just never gained traction, as soon as the sheevaplug became big, BAM we get user-space crypto APIJan 15 17:59
scientesyou still have to compile a module for openssl support, but it's pretty quick, and works well now :)Jan 15 18:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] #Iran Wars Episode 1: The gulf menace — RT http://goo.gl/aZqMO #wwiiiJan 15 18:08
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schestowitzhi, dyfetJan 15 18:10
scienteswelcomeJan 15 18:11
dyfethiJan 15 18:11
schestowitzscientes: he's a major devJan 15 18:11
schestowitzof a skype rival for  freedom advocatesJan 15 18:11
schestowitzI recently read about Skype back doors that Microsoft makes available for governmentsJan 15 18:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mattl/@mattl] I think it might be a Lemote. It was a while ago. The shirt is http://identi.ca/url/64671067Jan 15 18:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] #Russia: Attack on Tehran is Attack on Moscow - Israel National News http://goo.gl/ZNB7I #iran #wwiiiJan 15 18:12
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dyfetAnd given this is Microsoft we are talking about, I am equally concerned about the ones they would have for themselves, too....Jan 15 18:12
dyfetThey have been known to use various illegitimate means to harrass people...Jan 15 18:12
scientescompatible or SIP-based?Jan 15 18:12
schestowitzFor long-distance calls, encrypted comms with FOSS is also more private than a BT phone line, which I always assume to be potentially wiretapped. In the UK there have always been reports about all phones calls bound to be recorded and stored (telephone lines).Jan 15 18:12
scienteswait, compatible doesn't exist cause it centralizedJan 15 18:13
schestowitzLong-distance, the only way to communicate securely is therefore the Internet with protocols other than those of the colluding cabal, like MicrosoftJan 15 18:13
dyfetscientes: we are using the eXosip2 library and zrtp for media security....Jan 15 18:13
scientesi tried to set up sipwitch before, but i got overwhelmedJan 15 18:13
scientesyes zrtp, that is the shit, when i read about itJan 15 18:13
dyfetI agree sipwitch needs to become simpler to deploy and useJan 15 18:14
scientesI don't get why so many people use skypeJan 15 18:15
scientesthey arn't thinking, they are just asking for another AT&TJan 15 18:15
scientesand everyone that sells SIP, hides it---vonage for exampleJan 15 18:16
scientesbut that is changing--vonage supports any SIP device for exampleJan 15 18:16
scientesso you are trying to make it easy to deploy?Jan 15 18:18
dyfetyep :)Jan 15 18:19
scientesprecosely what we need :)Jan 15 18:20
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scientessupport in SIP devices would be hotJan 15 18:21
scientesare all those VoIP phone propritary?Jan 15 18:21
scienteslike cisco, etcJan 15 18:21
dyfetWe directly support standard compliant sip devices, and sipwitch can be embedded....Jan 15 18:21
scientesa CC around here replaced all these simple phones with super-expensive looking VoIP phones, so you can no longer call local numbers for free to arrange rides, etcJan 15 18:22
scientesanyways, thank you, this is exciting and very important stuff!Jan 15 18:27
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scienteshttp://wiki.freeswitch.org/wiki/ZRTPJan 15 18:29
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schestowitzI think the idea is,Jan 15 18:29
schestowitzproviders need simple to use codeJan 15 18:29
schestowitzto assemble devicesJan 15 18:29
schestowitzthat people like myself and scientes, and even the common Joe and Jane, can useJan 15 18:29
schestowitzand purchase at the shop for secure in-business comms or even house-to-house comms, not that the govt. would like it.Jan 15 18:30
dyfetor use your existing general purpose computing device....Jan 15 18:30
schestowitzwith a packageJan 15 18:30
schestowitzlike freedomboxJan 15 18:30
schestowitzwhich is still hard to set up,, Sam Tuke told meJan 15 18:31
scientesdyfet, what sort of phone hardware exists, for like usb?Jan 15 18:31
schestowitzIt requires people to understand notions like port numbers, it's not plug-and-playJan 15 18:31
scientesalot of people like turning off their computers....Jan 15 18:31
scientesmy sheevaplug would be great, as it has aes-128 accelerationJan 15 18:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] RT @identica Identi.ca will be offline to protest #SOPA on 18 Jan 2012 from 8AM-8PM EST. http://ur1.ca/7hrxcJan 15 18:32
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scientesschestowitz, the freedombox wiki seemed a little slow to meJan 15 18:32
schestowitzthat's possible, they're underfunded AFAIKJan 15 18:33
schestowitz60k IIRCJan 15 18:33
dyfetfreedombox, sheevaplug, etc, all do offer important possibilities too....what do you mean by usb phone hardware?  you mean to connect to pots lines?Jan 15 18:33
schestowitzMaybe exceeded 100k, for a team of severalJan 15 18:33
scientesdyfet, AFAIK sheevaplug was the prototype hardware for freedomplugJan 15 18:33
scientesactually i read that talk, it WASJan 15 18:34
scientespot lines==old style phones?Jan 15 18:34
dyfetI now do recall that.......pots = plain old telephone service, yes :)Jan 15 18:34
scientesand do those have real rings, i.e. no power required?Jan 15 18:34
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schestowitzPOTS went digitalJan 15 18:37
dyfetyes...there used to be computer usb adaptors for single pots lines, too, made by quicknet, I recall.  They had a micro-telco project for a number of years early last decadeJan 15 18:37
scientes1.rotary, 2.touch tone, 3.digital?Jan 15 18:37
scientesconsidering the success of skype however, using a regular computer is OKJan 15 18:38
scientesbut also, vonage was very successful, and other SIPJan 15 18:38
scientesI was really depressed when i found out microsoft bought skype :(Jan 15 18:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @sirmacik: US Military spy drones switch to GNU/Linux after embarrassing malware infection. #USDoD http://is.gd/Jo7n57Jan 15 18:47
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dyfetI saw it as a further setback, but skype was always proprietary and had the means to be used for mischief already...Jan 15 18:47
scientestrue trueJan 15 18:48
scientesespecially since people get a false sense of security with itJan 15 18:52
scientesthe basica fact is that computerized things make survilence much easier, as it can be done without human intervention, automated. so unless a computerized system is deliberately designed around security, it will hurt your privacy more than doing things without themJan 15 18:53
dyfetI think there is a new law in that ;)Jan 15 18:54
dyfetbrb...Jan 15 19:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Scarcity Is A Shitty Business Model - http://bit.ly/AqkMdt this man is really getting it #abundanceJan 15 19:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Keystone XL Tar Sands Pipeline is Not Jobs Plan, But Oil Export Plan - http://bit.ly/zFJizW "Oil Goes to China, Permanent Jobs Go to Canada"Jan 15 19:15
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DaemonFCschestowitz: I noticed you linked to that Internet Explorer advertisementJan 15 19:18
scientesglymoody .. eek not in ircJan 15 19:18
scientesneways, its all going back to product placementJan 15 19:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] MIT Media Lab opposes #SOPA, #PIPA - http://bit.ly/ylXi4a that's good (v @petersuber)Jan 15 19:18
scientesthat was the old way of financingJan 15 19:18
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scientes(and propaganda)Jan 15 19:18
DaemonFCthanks to Google, even linking to something you disagree with is dangerousJan 15 19:18
scientesand will be the new wayJan 15 19:18
DaemonFCbecause you can inadvertently cause a rise in its page rankJan 15 19:19
scientesyou can use nofallow attributeJan 15 19:19
scientesDaemonFC, Jan 15 19:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] How the Internet of things could make the world safer and greener - http://bit.ly/zoAOSf intriguing vision #internetofthingsJan 15 19:20
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scienteshmmmm yesJan 15 19:22
DaemonFCthat Cut The Rope game claims it complies with standardsJan 15 19:22
DaemonFCthen tells you to come back in IE Jan 15 19:23
scienteslike olympic coverage 2008Jan 15 19:23
scientesfucking blewJan 15 19:23
DaemonFCso it's really no better than those Apple Safari demosJan 15 19:23
scientesI ended up watching canadian broadcast TV cause us coverage was so badJan 15 19:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] New Animal Virus Takes Northern Europe by Surprise - http://bit.ly/vZeibl eeek, don't like the sound of thisJan 15 19:23
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scientesand the sports that ESPN didn't give a shit about, those were the only ones you could get good coverageJan 15 19:23
DaemonFCthe US broadcasters were all paid off to make people install Silverlight when they didn't otherwise want or need itJan 15 19:23
DaemonFC(Silverlight failed anyway, even though Microsoft used Windows Update to foist it on people like they do most things people don't want or need)Jan 15 19:24
scientesDaemonFC, I didn't install itJan 15 19:24
scientesoh wait, how did i watch thoseJan 15 19:24
scientesit was a bunch of shitJan 15 19:24
DaemonFCI don't know, Canadian sites complained I wasn't in CanadaJan 15 19:24
DaemonFC(they used Flash)Jan 15 19:24
scientesDaemonFC, lived next to canadian borderJan 15 19:25
DaemonFCand Moonlight is broken bullshit that is never on par with SilverlightJan 15 19:25
DaemonFCand wouldn't play the US onesJan 15 19:25
scienteswonder what london stuff is going to be likeJan 15 19:25
DaemonFCprobably broadcast in Flash since Microsoft isn't going to be paying them to use Silverlight this time aroundJan 15 19:25
scientespeople used moonlight to get patent-protected codecsJan 15 19:26
DaemonFCencumberedJan 15 19:26
DaemonFC"protected" means it is protecting someone from competingJan 15 19:26
DaemonFCwhen used to describe patentsJan 15 19:26
DaemonFCanyhow, Moonlight still didn't play those sitesJan 15 19:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Help wanted at LWN - http://bit.ly/Atb6Sv great to see #lwn expanding... #jobsJan 15 19:27
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DaemonFCeven when you got the patent encumbered nonfree binary codecs from MicrosoftJan 15 19:27
DaemonFCthere is no "new Microsoft"Jan 15 19:27
DaemonFCtheir only involvement with "open source" has been to try to hijack it to make it just the best way to write Windows softwareJan 15 19:28
DaemonFCthey tried to do that to Firefox and Blender a while backJan 15 19:28
DaemonFCgranted Firefox's Linux port is not great, but Microsoft wanted them to DEPEND on so many Windows features that it would cease to work at all on anything elseJan 15 19:29
DaemonFCthey don't care how you develop your software as long as it only works on WindowsJan 15 19:29
DaemonFCor steers people to use Windows or something they can taxJan 15 19:29
DaemonFCif a site needs IE, I don't need that siteJan 15 19:29
DaemonFCif a site needs Silverlight, I don't need that siteJan 15 19:30
cubezzzfirefox works fine in linux or bsdJan 15 19:30
DaemonFCsort ofJan 15 19:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Underwater Noise Disturbs Whales 120 Miles Away - http://bit.ly/AhttLx “it’s man-made junk in the wate"; bad usJan 15 19:30
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Underwater Noise Disturbs Whales 120 Miles Away | Wired Science | Wired.com .::. Size~: 65.89 KBJan 15 19:30
DaemonFCthey've been "optimizing" it for WindowsJan 15 19:30
cubezzzI can compile itJan 15 19:30
cubezzzI even compile icecat for fc1Jan 15 19:30
DaemonFCWindows builds got PGO in Firefox 2Jan 15 19:31
DaemonFCLinux didn't get it until 3.5Jan 15 19:31
DaemonFCWindows builds got hardware acceleration in 4.0Jan 15 19:31
DaemonFCLinux still doesn't have it, even in the Firefox 12 nightliesJan 15 19:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Trial delayed in Oracle's Android lawsuit against Google - http://bit.ly/zGwDhB not exactly storming away, that lawsuit, eh Oracle?Jan 15 19:32
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Nokia Sells More Than 450 Wireless Patents To Patent Troll - http://onforb.es/w2SUm3 can't imagine who they might be used againstJan 15 19:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] http://bit.ly/zKyYOqJan 15 19:37
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Slightly Right of Centre: McKinnon vs O'Dwyer .::. Size~: 114.34 KBJan 15 19:37
scientesDaemonFC, firefox works GREAT on Linux, what are you talking aboutJan 15 19:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] McKinnon vs O'Dwyer - http://bit.ly/zKyYOq good comparison of casesJan 15 19:38
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scientesyou can even copy your profile, and it JUST WORKS(tm)Jan 15 19:38
scientesits friggen awesomeJan 15 19:38
scientesall your plugins, etcJan 15 19:38
scientesfirefox is one of the best multi-platform apps aroundJan 15 19:39
scientes*extentionsJan 15 19:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @telecomix: Obama Administration Supports #SOPA http://t.co/dZB1KheCJan 15 19:42
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schestowitz[19:18] <DaemonFC> schestowitz: I noticed you linked to that Internet Explorer advertisementJan 15 19:44
schestowitzWhere?Jan 15 19:44
DaemonFCthe Cut The Rope gameJan 15 19:45
DaemonFCit makes you get IE to play the whole gameJan 15 19:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Unique life form is half plant, half animal - http://bit.ly/xDDY7c endosymbiosis commoner than we thought?Jan 15 19:45
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Zoologger: Unique life form is half plant, half animal - life - 13 January 2012 - New Scientist .::. Size~: 57.97 KBJan 15 19:45
schestowitzCut the Rope?Jan 15 19:45
schestowitz!google Cut the RopeJan 15 19:45
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - App Store - Cut the Rope | http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/cut-the-rope/id380293530%3Fmt%3D8Jan 15 19:45
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Cut the Rope - Apps on Android Market | https://market.android.com/details%3Fid%3Dcom.zeptolab.ctr.paid%26hl%3DenJan 15 19:45
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Cut the Rope | http://www.cuttherope.ie/Jan 15 19:45
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Cut the Rope - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cut_the_RopeJan 15 19:45
schestowitz!google Cut the PopeJan 15 19:45
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Pope cut out of Orange History | http://www.fantompowa.net/Flame/pope_cut_out_of_.htmJan 15 19:45
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Falsity implies anything | http://www.cut-the-knot.org/do_you_know/falsity.shtmlJan 15 19:45
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Freak storm forces pope to cut youth vigil speech - USATODAY.com | http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2011-08-20-Pope-Benedict-God-World-Youth-Day_n.htmJan 15 19:45
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - PhotoBlog - Thunderstorm forces Pope to cut speech | http://photoblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/08/20/7427524-thunderstorm-forces-pope-to-cut-speechJan 15 19:45
DaemonFCyou linked to someone elses blog that linked to cuttherope.ieJan 15 19:46
DaemonFCwhich is the Microsoft Internet Explorer demoJan 15 19:46
schestowitzwhere?Jan 15 19:46
DaemonFCwhich makes you download IE 9 once you get to a certain point in the gameJan 15 19:46
schestowitzmaybe the gurst editor?Jan 15 19:46
schestowitz*guestJan 15 19:46
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] EFF to ask for sanctions against copyright trolling astrologers - http://bit.ly/xbNz50 serves 'em right...Jan 15 19:47
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DaemonFChttp://techrights.org/2012/01/15/fedora-contest/Jan 15 19:47
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Links 15/1/2012: Wine 1.3.37, Fedora Contest | Techrights .::. Size~: 126.54 KBJan 15 19:47
DaemonFCPlay Cut the Rope on Internet Explorer, Chrome, FirefoxJan 15 19:47
schestowitzahJan 15 19:47
DaemonFCafter you reach a certain level, it says come back with IEJan 15 19:47
DaemonFCand there's a big IE ad on the game itselfJan 15 19:48
schestowitzblechJan 15 19:48
cubezzzhehJan 15 19:48
cubezzzbig fat IE!Jan 15 19:48
schestowitzdo you need IE9 to reach the level where a big sweaty monkey throws chairs at you?Jan 15 19:48
DaemonFCMonoposoft Idiot ExploiterJan 15 19:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is jpope from micro.jpope.org with 99 dents!Jan 15 19:48
DaemonFCschestowitz: I believe Ballmer has been making guest appearances in video games for a while, schestowitzJan 15 19:48
DaemonFCI remember this big fat gorilla throwing barrels at MarioJan 15 19:49
DaemonFC:)Jan 15 19:49
schestowitzNot DonkeySteve?Jan 15 19:49
DaemonFCDonkeyBallmer, he throws chairs and shouts "FUCKING GOOGLE!!!", beats his chest, throws some more chairs, says "I'M GOING TO FUCKING KILL FUCKING GOOGLE!!! BLARGH!!!!!!"Jan 15 19:50
DaemonFC:)Jan 15 19:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] How #DNA contamination can affect court cases - http://bit.ly/xk0OA2 this is going to become a big problemJan 15 19:50
TechrightsBot-trTitle: How DNA contamination can affect court cases - science-in-society - 13 January 2012 - New Scientist .::. Size~: 55.69 KBJan 15 19:50
scientesIE9 doesn't even work on XPJan 15 19:50
DaemonFCNintendo decided they'd keep it family friendlyJan 15 19:50
DaemonFCand just changed it to a generic gorilla that is throwing barrels and doesn't speakJan 15 19:51
DaemonFC:)Jan 15 19:51
DaemonFCthey did something similar for Wolfenstein 3d on the Super NintendoJan 15 19:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxconfau/@linuxconfau] Breakfast in Building U Cafeteria from 7.30am to 9am if you included brekky in your rego #LCA2012. Just over the bridge.Jan 15 19:52
scienteshttp://boingboing.net/2012/01/13/eff-to-ask-for-sanctions-again.html rediculous shitJan 15 19:52
TechrightsBot-trTitle: EFF to ask for sanctions against copyright trolling astrologers  - Boing Boing .::. Size~: 29.63 KBJan 15 19:52
DaemonFCyeah, a bunch of fraud artists (astrologers) suing a small open source project that actually does good for a lot of peopleJan 15 19:53
schestowitzDaemonFC: right you are...Jan 15 19:53
schestowitzBut the gorilla tosses patent lawsuitsJan 15 19:53
DaemonFCschestowitz: Occasionally someone tosses a patent lawsuit back at themJan 15 19:54
DaemonFC:)Jan 15 19:54
DaemonFCMicrosoft Product Activation got them sued several timesJan 15 19:54
schestowitzFelta lawsuit?Jan 15 19:54
DaemonFCand they ended up paying out over $800 million for patent violations from Activation Jan 15 19:54
DaemonFCof course they don't admit Activation is a failureJan 15 19:54
schestowitzIf your dad had his patents assigned to him personally, maybe he could troll MSJan 15 19:55
DaemonFCeven when it has not only not stopped piracy, but has directly COST them almost a billion dollarsJan 15 19:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] even more strangeness ... http://ur1.ca/7igi0Jan 15 19:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The BBC ponders charging UK iPlayer users to watch archived content - http://tnw.co/zzC3nT that won't be popularJan 15 19:55
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DaemonFCto be clear, that's a BILLION dollars, with a BJan 15 19:55
DaemonFCor, almost enough money to fund 5 seconds of the Iraq WarJan 15 19:56
DaemonFC:)Jan 15 19:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Indian Government to Kill Aakash Tablet? To Dump Tablets to Rural India - http://bit.ly/zVZTBr really? #india #androidJan 15 19:57
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cubezzzI'm still waiting for Microsoft TidyBowl Blue Loo of Death (tm)Jan 15 19:57
DaemonFCcubezzz: You're not the first one to think of thatJan 15 19:58
schestowitzBlue Lue of UeJan 15 19:58
DaemonFCI think the closest toilet bowl cleaner to the shade of the BSOD is actually Ty-D-Bowl (the in tank disk) from Dollar TreeJan 15 19:58
schestowitz"in a few lines... what are their main differences? honestly I don't know much about BSD... " https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1184804Jan 15 19:59
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DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9dfREH95_M&feature=relatedJan 15 20:00
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DaemonFCthis has to be the bestJan 15 20:00
schestowitzI remember thatJan 15 20:02
schestowitzI watched this programme over 1000 timesJan 15 20:02
DaemonFCThey have yet to make a sitcom that beats Married With ChildrenJan 15 20:03
DaemonFCI want to know how they got past all those layers of political correctness the first time Jan 15 20:04
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scientesdoes joindiaspora.com have invites?Jan 15 20:07
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DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPeV8zNIkyIJan 15 20:08
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] how @carlmalamud suffered at the hands of youtube's flawed three strikes system - http://bit.ly/wwiHdW & #sopa would be far worseJan 15 20:08
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Carl Malamud - Google+ - Judge Paul Called Me a Thief I Was Tried In Abstentia,… .::. Size~: 69.63 KBJan 15 20:08
DaemonFCit's illegal in the US to try someone without them present Jan 15 20:09
DaemonFCdon't worry, they'll find youJan 15 20:09
DaemonFC:)Jan 15 20:09
DaemonFCunless they need to justify a trillion dollar war with "he's still out there"Jan 15 20:09
DaemonFCthen they'll just kill you 10 years laterJan 15 20:10
DaemonFChttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_%28Go_to_Him%29Jan 15 20:11
TechrightsBot-trError processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 403 ForbiddenJan 15 20:11
DaemonFCAl Bundy needed Google and WikipediaJan 15 20:11
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DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihsfVEFvrxAJan 15 20:14
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DaemonFCor YoutubeJan 15 20:14
scientesi killed gnome-shell and the respawn is burning 100% cpu...Jan 15 20:14
DaemonFCwhy are you using GNOME's HellJan 15 20:15
DaemonFC:)Jan 15 20:15
scienteswtf, compiz --replace, same storyJan 15 20:18
cubezzzDaemonFC, how about this joke?Jan 15 20:18
cubezzzMicrosoft Powers Hell :)Jan 15 20:18
scientesmetacity --replaceJan 15 20:19
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scientesahh, reliefJan 15 20:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] The 'Prometheus' Movie: The Alien Gospel Deception http://goo.gl/89dPE #xfilesJan 15 20:22
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DaemonFCMetacity is going to be droppedJan 15 20:25
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DaemonFCas soon as they get the shell working under software rendered OpenGLJan 15 20:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxconfau/@linuxconfau] A huge thanks to our Miniconf organisers today - @slyall, @chrisjrn, @jonoxer, @geekscape, @tserong, @Loquacities + Shane, Martin #LCA2012Jan 15 20:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @charlesschulz "10 reasons the U.S. is no longer the land of the free - The Washington Post" http://ur1.ca/7ih2l Jan 15 20:30
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DaemonFChas anyone gotten Flixster to work on LinuxJan 15 20:31
DaemonFCit says it only needs Flash but I can't get it to show anything other than a black screenJan 15 20:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @glynmoody how @carlmalamud suffered at the hands of youtube's flawed three strikes system - http://bit.ly/wwiHdW & #sopa would be fa ...Jan 15 20:32
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Carl Malamud - Google+ - Judge Paul Called Me a Thief I Was Tried In Abstentia,… .::. Size~: 76.07 KBJan 15 20:32
scientescarl malmud on Google+, yuckJan 15 20:36
DaemonFCusers of HTTPS Everywhere should switch to the 2.0 development oneJan 15 20:36
DaemonFCit includes about 400 new rulesJan 15 20:36
scientesconsidering all his privacy stuff in relations to the courts not fallowing their own rules, I thought he would be above Google+Jan 15 20:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Interesting thought. Definitely true, in my experience. http://ur1.ca/7ihbqJan 15 20:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] !linuxlibre 3.2.1-libre-lemote, 3.1.9-libre-lemote, 3.0.17-libre-lemote and 2.6.32.54-libre2-lemote .debs for !gnewsense !yeeloong are outJan 15 20:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Linux Kernel Grows Past 15 Million Lines of Code http://ow.ly/8u8gpJan 15 20:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Murdoch doesn't understand links - http://bit.ly/ymsSBd "against more than just #piracy. He is against fundamental architecture of the web"Jan 15 20:43
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Murdoch doesn't understand links.... · jeffjarvis ·  Storify .::. Size~: 68.88 KBJan 15 20:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Presenting Mitt #Romney's Top Campaign Contributors | ZeroHedge http://goo.gl/lWV36 - say no more! #usaJan 15 20:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] a list of AAP members who have publicly disavowed the AAP position on #RWA - http://bit.ly/zBEqGA more needed... #openaccessJan 15 20:45
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scienteswas a good postJan 15 20:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Government could strip citizenship from Americans under Enemy Expatriation Act — RT http://goo.gl/NOxHN #ndaa #eea #usa #policestateJan 15 20:48
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DaemonFCI sent an email to the EFF asking if there were any plans to support Firefox MobileJan 15 20:50
DaemonFCright now it doesn'tJan 15 20:50
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DaemonFCin HTTPS Everywhere, that isJan 15 20:51
scienteshttp://singularityhub.com/2012/01/14/raspberry-pi-is-about-to-be-served-%E2%80%93-manufacturing-has-begun-for-the-35-computer/Jan 15 20:51
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Raspberry Pi is About to be Served – Manufacturing Has Begun for the $35 Computer | Singularity Hub .::. Size~: 64.87 KBJan 15 20:51
DaemonFCit's probably more important to have HTTPS Everywhere now than everJan 15 20:51
DaemonFCespecially with the US government going in the direction they've been going over the last ~10 yearsJan 15 20:52
DaemonFCbut in the last few years, especiallyJan 15 20:52
DaemonFCwith Obama claiming that law enforcement doesn't need warrants anymore and ISPs like AT&T voluntarily turning over customer's activity logsJan 15 20:53
scienteshttp://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120113/06103117399/german-court-isp-must-not-block-access-to-foreign-sites-even-if-they-are-illegal.shtmlJan 15 20:53
TechrightsBot-trTitle: German Court: ISP Must Not Block Access To Foreign Sites, Even If They Are Illegal | Techdirt .::. Size~: 50.52 KBJan 15 20:53
DaemonFCif you think you're not a criminal, you're wrongJan 15 20:54
DaemonFCFederal law alone is so bloated and ambiguous that almost everyone could be committing at least a crime every day without realizing itJan 15 20:54
scientesAlways remember: if you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to loose ;)Jan 15 20:54
DaemonFCscientes: Federal law is such that it even regulates activity by US citizens in other countriesJan 15 20:55
DaemonFCyou could be committing a US federal felony in another country even if you are abiding by their laws while you are thereJan 15 20:55
scientesDaemonFC, there is no federal law anymore, the NDAA is a declaration of war on all US citizensJan 15 20:55
DaemonFCthere's something fishy about the US claiming that they have jurisdiction over me, even when I am in another countryJan 15 20:56
schestowitzThey are a top enemyJan 15 20:56
schestowitzWell armedJan 15 20:56
schestowitzand aware of how they are being screwedJan 15 20:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] #CNN contributor salutes Marines for urinating on dead Afghans (AUDIO) — RT http://goo.gl/XViiy #idiotJan 15 20:57
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schestowitzEven Fox 'news' covered it http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/01/02/aclu-others-slam-obama-for-signing-defense-bill-that-includes-detainee/Jan 15 20:57
TechrightsBot-trTitle: ACLU, Others Slam Obama For Signing Defense Bill That Includes Detainee Provisions | Fox News .::. Size~: 61.54 KBJan 15 20:57
schestowitzand span it against Obama aloneJan 15 20:57
schestowitzGOP crapJan 15 20:58
DaemonFCif Americans are going to another country to take advantage of that country's lax laws on something (let's say drugs, for example), it should be the responsibility of that country to deal with thatJan 15 20:58
DaemonFCif they even consider it a problem worth dealing withJan 15 20:58
schestowitzWatch sidebar: "Should the U.S. use military force to stop Iran's nuclear development?"Jan 15 20:58
schestowitzWhat's next? Should Obama be assassinated... push p9ollingJan 15 20:59
schestowitzMaybe they'll push some Murdoch propaganda in the article/body next to this pollJan 15 20:59
DaemonFC"Torvalds himself criticised the growing complexity of the kernel in a recent interview"Jan 15 20:59
schestowitzAnd then the "No Spin Zone" will use it to claim popular support for military strikeJan 15 20:59
DaemonFCPerhaps Torvalds should tell hardware vendors to stop making new stuffJan 15 21:00
DaemonFC:)Jan 15 21:00
DaemonFCabout 2/3rds of the growth is usually hardware driversJan 15 21:00
scientesDaemonFC, thats not what he was talkinga boutJan 15 21:00
DaemonFCschestowitz: I'm not in favor of an invasionJan 15 21:01
DaemonFCbut, harassment is another thing entirelyJan 15 21:01
scientesHe is being real frank, which you never get from crap-producing propritary companiesJan 15 21:01
DaemonFCsince it's cheap and much less riskyJan 15 21:01
scienteslike Intel BIOS malware for exampleJan 15 21:01
scientesthey will never call it thatJan 15 21:01
scientesinfact, they don't even use the word BIOS, cause it has such a bad nameJan 15 21:01
DaemonFCuEFI doesn't necessarily replace the BIOSJan 15 21:01
scientesits not uEFIJan 15 21:02
DaemonFCon an x86 PC, it only partially replaces the BIOSJan 15 21:02
scientesi'm talking about their management platform that goes in the BIOSJan 15 21:02
DaemonFCso you end up with bothJan 15 21:02
scientesgiving you remote access to the computersJan 15 21:02
scienteseven when they are "off"Jan 15 21:02
scientesits _really_ creepy shitJan 15 21:02
DaemonFCI don't like this uEFI, it sounds to me like a huge layer of crap riding on top of the existing BIOS, which still has to so the power on self test and bring up the hardwareJan 15 21:03
DaemonFCso like 90% of the BIOS's job will still be done by the BIOSJan 15 21:03
DaemonFCthen uEFI's job is mainly to be a persistent malwareJan 15 21:03
DaemonFCthat is always loaded and runningJan 15 21:03
DaemonFCand has veto power over the OSJan 15 21:03
DaemonFCand can be used to control whether an OS even bootsJan 15 21:04
DaemonFCand it has an internet connection of its ownJan 15 21:04
DaemonFCit's not a good thingJan 15 21:04
DaemonFCRed Hat and Canonical are both members of the uEFI forum, you have to pay to get a seat at the table, and even then you have no control over where it goesJan 15 21:04
DaemonFC(but Microsoft does)Jan 15 21:05
scientesthe whole thing is a butload of crapJan 15 21:05
scientesI couldn't believe RedHat was thereJan 15 21:05
DaemonFConly the "Promoters" have control over the specificationJan 15 21:05
scienteseither stick with BIOS or go to corebootJan 15 21:05
DaemonFCRed Hat and Canonical don't even get a voteJan 15 21:05
scientesthey should drop out on the grounds that no "replacement" for BIOS could do any betterJan 15 21:06
scientesas the whole concept is flawed---you always end up with an operating systemJan 15 21:06
scienteswhich is exactly what you don't wantJan 15 21:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] #UFO Religions » Review of Leslie Kean’s UFOs http://goo.gl/oCgxW #books #xfilesJan 15 21:07
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DaemonFC"Ability to boot from large disks (over 2 TiB)"Jan 15 21:07
DaemonFCYou don't need uEFI for thisJan 15 21:07
DaemonFCmy BIOS recognizes GUID Partition TablesJan 15 21:08
DaemonFCthe only change in uEFI is that it becomes mandatoryJan 15 21:08
scientes"It seems to me that the indifference from users is an even bigger challenge than legislative threats. Convince an NRA-sized voting bloc that any restriction on general purpose computing is a threat to society, and we'd be in good shape. But, at the moment, the vast majority of people just don't care. "Jan 15 21:09
scienteshttp://www.readwriteweb.com/cloud/2012/01/the-four-horsemen-of-the-gener.phpJan 15 21:09
scientespreciselyJan 15 21:09
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scientesNRA of free softwareJan 15 21:10
DaemonFCwell, to be fair about the Microsoft/Secure Boot/ARM situation.....Jan 15 21:12
DaemonFCI'm unaware of any ARM tablets that do allow the user to configure their boot firmwareJan 15 21:13
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cubezzzahem, zaurus?Jan 15 21:15
scientesI can upgrade my uBootJan 15 21:16
scientes(but its not a tablet)Jan 15 21:16
cubezzzoh right, tabletJan 15 21:16
cubezzzwell I don't use tabletsJan 15 21:16
scienteshow do i pass a gateway on the linux command line?Jan 15 21:25
scientesi.e. in the bootloaderJan 15 21:26
scientesi got the ipaddress, but its setting gw=255.255.255.255Jan 15 21:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxconfau/@linuxconfau] Photo competition: Photo competition is now running! See http://bit.ly/zW7fhC for more details. #LCA2012Jan 15 21:40
DaemonFChttp://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Lilupophilupop-infects-a-million-URLs-1404812.htmlJan 15 21:40
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DaemonFChttp://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/PC-BSD-9-0-released-1413126.htmlJan 15 21:42
DaemonFClolJan 15 21:42
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DaemonFC"Mac users will find PC-BSD now supports installation to BootCamp partitions of Mac OS X systems"Jan 15 21:42
DaemonFCThey'll also find that their RadeonHD is a framebuffer device under PC-BSDJan 15 21:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] "There is no honor in this" - 1 Marine vs 20 cops ur1.ca/7iiea #OWSJan 15 21:43
DaemonFChttp://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Canonical-seeking-testers-for-Unity-5-0-1409919.htmlJan 15 21:44
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DaemonFChttp://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/01/unity-5-0-ready-for-testing/Jan 15 21:45
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DaemonFCI wonder if it still sucksJan 15 21:45
DaemonFC:)Jan 15 21:45
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=m8ejt5vXTekJan 15 21:46
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxconfau/@linuxconfau] Voting for best-ofs: Have your say about the talks you'd like to see again at Friday's best-of slots http://bit.ly/xlKS0h #LCA2012Jan 15 21:47
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DaemonFCI might try it after it gets pulled into a Live CDJan 15 21:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @telecomix: SOPA/PIPA illustrated in a meme: http://t.co/LZQD7moHJan 15 21:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxconfau/@linuxconfau] We've had a minor hiccup with the accommodation pickup busses this morning - busses en route now! #LCA2012Jan 15 21:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxconfau/@linuxconfau] Power in Caro: If you need a Powerboard, go up the stairs at Caro and use the balcony seats. #LCA2012Jan 15 21:57
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] And now something completely different, a story of some Good Cops and a Bank Protester ur1.ca/7iiqk #OWSJan 15 22:17
DaemonFChttp://torrentfreak.com/square-enix-eidos-other-game-giants-all-demand-cash-from-pirates-120115/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Torrentfreak+%28Torrentfreak%29&utm_content=FaceBookJan 15 22:17
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DaemonFCwhat a disgusting way to make moneyJan 15 22:17
DaemonFCgay porn producers were using the same tacticsJan 15 22:17
DaemonFCupload your own work to pirate sitesJan 15 22:18
DaemonFCmonitor who takes a copyJan 15 22:18
DaemonFConly the pay up or else scheme probably worked better for gay pornJan 15 22:18
DaemonFCpeople that don't want their wife finding out or somethingJan 15 22:18
DaemonFCI'm sure less people would be embarrassed for copying a video game, but it's still extortionJan 15 22:18
DaemonFCI might go back to Comcast at the end of this DirecTV contractJan 15 22:21
DaemonFConly, just for internet this timeJan 15 22:21
DaemonFCcable/satellite TV has lost a lot of its value Jan 15 22:21
DaemonFCit's not longer worth the $60-$80 chunk of the monthly bill that it generatesJan 15 22:22
DaemonFC*noJan 15 22:22
DaemonFCComcast has made a couple of moves that put them in a better position for my business than AT&T is inJan 15 22:22
DaemonFCDNSSEC, ipv6 deployment, and the cap is 100 GB larger per month than AT&T'sJan 15 22:23
DaemonFCAT&T is dodging the question of ipv6Jan 15 22:23
DaemonFCso either I'll need to buy new networking equipment that is aware of ipv6 if they ever do switch over, or more likely, keep using ipv4 through NATJan 15 22:24
DaemonFCsince it would be cheaper for them to do that than roll out proper ipv6 support, I think it's what they'll doJan 15 22:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] » ‘ #Obama ready to give #Iran strike order’ http://goo.gl/dhHXn #usa #stateterrorism #wwiiiJan 15 22:25
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DaemonFCthe reason I might head back to Comcast with my tail between my legs is I'm not sure if Metronet is going to like my credit reportJan 15 22:27
DaemonFCand Comcast is not that pickyJan 15 22:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] USL cere membrilor săi să alăture paşnic protestelor http://ur1.ca/7iiua #romania #bucharest #revolt #revolution #ows #occupyJan 15 22:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Waiting for #lca2012 opening keynote.Jan 15 22:30
schestowitzHey _GoblinJan 15 22:31
_Goblinhi!Jan 15 22:31
*ChanServ gives channel operator status to _GoblinJan 15 22:31
schestowitzcan I come on the 7th in the afternoon/other time?Jan 15 22:32
schestowitzmaybe 5pm?Jan 15 22:32
schestowitzto see my goddaughter, too :-)Jan 15 22:32
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DaemonFChttp://digg.com/newsbar/worldnews/meltdown_cop_flips_out_when_told_he_can_t_search_car_without_warrant_2Jan 15 22:33
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_Goblinyep!Jan 15 22:33
_Goblinthat sounds good to me!Jan 15 22:34
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DaemonFClmaoJan 15 22:34
schestowitzgood video, DaemonFCJan 15 22:35
schestowitzhow did the police come to release it?Jan 15 22:36
schestowitzDid the driver complain about being cursed at?Jan 15 22:36
DaemonFCTime for Officer Friendly to go home, kick the dog, and beat his wifeJan 15 22:36
schestowitzIf he did, they can see the policeman behaving badlyJan 15 22:36
schestowitzhe called him "cock sucker"Jan 15 22:36
DaemonFCschestowitz: That's what I was wonderingJan 15 22:36
schestowitzHomophobia in US policeJan 15 22:36
DaemonFCnormally they just delete the video and claim they don't have it and that's not how it happenedJan 15 22:37
schestowitzthese days many phones are video camsJan 15 22:37
_Goblinthats a little bit whiffy that vid....Jan 15 22:38
DaemonFCthey'll suspend him for 2-3 daysJan 15 22:38
schestowitzIt's entertainingJan 15 22:38
DaemonFCmake him see an anger management counselor Jan 15 22:38
_Goblinso we are expected to believe that footage from a patrol car was released to the public?Jan 15 22:38
schestowitzcause the offcer gets pwned by his own temperJan 15 22:38
_GoblinI think its a fakeJan 15 22:38
DaemonFCmeaningless punishmentJan 15 22:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] USL strânge semnături pentru înlăturarea lui Traian Băsescu! http://ur1.ca/7iixl #romania #revolt #occupy #usl #ows #revolution #bucharestJan 15 22:38
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schestowitz_Goblin: you mean:Jan 15 22:38
schestowitz expected to believe that footage from a patrol car WHERE THE POLICE actsa BADLY was released to the public?Jan 15 22:39
_GoblinyepJan 15 22:39
schestowitzIn the US they have TV shows like Police ChasesJan 15 22:39
_Goblinin fact....Jan 15 22:39
schestowitzmaybe it got leakedJan 15 22:39
_GoblinhmmmJan 15 22:39
_GoblinI'd be surprised if the average joe police employee had access to the material, it should be secure in the case of evidential valueJan 15 22:40
schestowitzwhy would they stage cursing like this?Jan 15 22:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Reprezentanți ai societății civile sibiene la Săvârșin http://ur1.ca/7iiyj #romania #europe #royal #monarchyJan 15 22:40
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schestowitzAnd also, would it not be a violation to be impersonating for film staging as police?Jan 15 22:40
_Goblina little like that fired MS employee video....remember that? Because he didn't say the word "Bing" right.?Jan 15 22:40
schestowitzheheJan 15 22:40
_Goblinalso...Jan 15 22:41
schestowitzbut it was just a testimonialJan 15 22:41
schestowitznobody in MS uniform thereJan 15 22:41
schestowitzand police has special rulesJan 15 22:41
schestowitzabout fakingJan 15 22:41
_Goblinin the US the stop and search policy is similar to the Uk..........there doesn't need to be a warrant......just reasonable grounds to suspect offence...Jan 15 22:41
schestowitzup to 5  years in prison by NY standardsJan 15 22:41
_Goblinotherwise nobodys vehicle would ever get searched as it would be a mad dash to a court room every time a cop wanted to search a carJan 15 22:42
schestowitzMan: "officer, what is your reasonable ground?"Jan 15 22:42
schestowitzOfficer: "Your dark skin"Jan 15 22:42
_Goblinif he had been that "corrupt" a cop....Jan 15 22:42
schestowitzMan: "Alrighty then, go ahead"Jan 15 22:42
_Goblinhe could have said "Sniff, sniff, is that cannabis I can smell" - then searched the car.Jan 15 22:42
_Goblin"reasonable grounds".....Jan 15 22:42
_Goblintry proving that the cop didn't think he smelt cannabisJan 15 22:43
schestowitzmaybe the driver likes the odour and keeps one of those scent thingies that small like d00biesJan 15 22:43
schestowitzwell, that's a loophole thenJan 15 22:43
schestowitzWith such loopholes, the law becomes meaninglessJan 15 22:43
schestowitzTHe the state siezes control whereas the public loses civil liberties.Jan 15 22:44
_Goblinif that is to highlight misuse of power, then its a bad video.... if it is genuine it merely highlights incivility, not abuse of power, because afterall the cop didn't search the car.Jan 15 22:44
schestowitzcivil liberties protect us from rogue regimesJan 15 22:44
schestowitzso that I, for instance, cannot be jailed on no grounds or mere suspicionJan 15 22:44
schestowitz_Goblin: yes, but it's a fun video to watcnJan 15 22:45
_GoblinI think that video proves civil liberties.....cut out the little wobbly and the cop abided by law....didn't search the vehicle, didn't have grounds.Jan 15 22:45
schestowitzmost citizens are not taught their rightJan 15 22:45
_Goblinthats true...Jan 15 22:45
schestowitzand the Miranda will be shoved down the toilet soon, if not alreadyJan 15 22:45
schestowitzpolice can fool people and exploit their lack of knowledge of the lawJan 15 22:45
schestowitzAnd they are educated about the tricksJan 15 22:46
schestowitzWhile the public is not taught the reactionary tricksJan 15 22:46
schestowitzso it's not quite so fairJan 15 22:46
_Goblinthat happens though in every walk of life....buying a PC, buying a car....law....it happens everywhere.Jan 15 22:46
schestowitzand law vary from state to state, country to country, which complicates thingsJan 15 22:46
_Goblinhey.....buy Vista....its greatJan 15 22:46
schestowitzCops can exploit those differences to trick the suspectJan 15 22:46
_Goblin"they work for a Tech Retailer so they must be right"Jan 15 22:46
_GoblinorJan 15 22:46
cubezzzVista? What is that? :)Jan 15 22:46
schestowitzVist, blechJan 15 22:46
cubezzzme no know VistaJan 15 22:47
_GoblinBBC Click says Vista is good so it must beJan 15 22:47
schestowitzcubezzz: VistAJan 15 22:47
schestowitzGood stuffJan 15 22:47
schestowitzFOSSJan 15 22:47
schestowitzThe BBC Clique is former MS UK employeesJan 15 22:47
schestowitzat ,least in managementJan 15 22:47
cubezzzughJan 15 22:48
schestowitzMSBBCJan 15 22:48
schestowitzPaid for byBill GatesJan 15 22:48
_Goblinmaybe that explains why Sky News flattens BBC news on ratings.....the bad MS management has transferred to the BBC....nobody wants MS products, people don't want to watch BBC news.Jan 15 22:48
cubezzzthat's not goodJan 15 22:48
schestowitzTwice last yearJan 15 22:48
schestowitzAbut $30 million the first time around AprilJan 15 22:48
_Goblinhe was had over....I don't think many take the BBC seriously anymore.Jan 15 22:49
cubezzzI couldn't stream the London year end championships which was a bit of a pisserJan 15 22:49
schestowitzSky does not cover Linux eitherJan 15 22:49
_Goblinno...but then theres no real dedicated tech show on Sky that I'm aware of.Jan 15 22:49
schestowitz[19:55] [Notice] -TRIdentica to #techrights- [glynmoody[19:55] [Notice] -TRIdentica to #techrights- [glynmoody/@glynmoody] The BBC ponders charging UK iPlayer users to watch archived content - http://tnw.co/zzC3nT that won't be popular/@glynmoody] The BBC ponders charging UK iPlayer users to watch archived content - http://tnw.co/zzC3nT that won't be popularJan 15 22:49
DaemonFCschestowitz: US Constitution, 4th amendment and Indiana Constitution Article 1, section 11Jan 15 22:49
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cubezzzBBC (and others naturally) lock out out-of-country streamingJan 15 22:49
DaemonFCbut yes, it does piss the police off when you do thatJan 15 22:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Romania protests spread despite health bill withdrawal http://ur1.ca/7ij2c #romania #revolt #bucharest #revolution #protestJan 15 22:50
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DaemonFCnormally they just pepper spray you, search anyway, and claimed they smelled something and when they went to take a look, you assaulted themJan 15 22:50
DaemonFC:)Jan 15 22:50
_Goblinso there you go....Jan 15 22:51
_Goblinbad language aside, he's abided by law.Jan 15 22:51
_Goblinalthough the language and behaviour is nearly as bad...Jan 15 22:52
_Goblinno excuse for that.Jan 15 22:52
_Goblinat the end of the day, badge or not, he's a public servant....... the clues in the name.....Jan 15 22:52
DaemonFC_Goblin: First they usually try to trick you into consenting to the searchJan 15 22:52
DaemonFCif you do that, then the search is legal and anything they find during the search is admissible as evidence Jan 15 22:53
_Goblinof course.  Makes sense...Jan 15 22:53
_Goblinotherwise...Jan 15 22:53
DaemonFCif you don't consent, a lot of them will stick their nose in and claim they thought they smelled marijuanaJan 15 22:53
DaemonFC:)Jan 15 22:53
DaemonFCthen the search is legal because they had probable causeJan 15 22:53
_Goblinyou could shoot someone, say to an officer...."Please search my car" and then get off with the offence when the murder weapon is foundJan 15 22:53
_Goblin"probable cause" - Thats what I was looking for.... In the UK its "reasonable grounds to believe".......Jan 15 22:54
DaemonFCif you know you have something illegal in the car, obviously you should do anything you can to keep them outJan 15 22:54
_Goblinwhats reasonable though?Jan 15 22:54
_GoblinMicrosoft thought Vista was reasonable.Jan 15 22:54
DaemonFCbut don't physically assault them, obviouslyJan 15 22:54
DaemonFCdo things like, verbally refuse the searchJan 15 22:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Romania Protest against President Băsescu http://ur1.ca/7ij48 #romania #revolution #revolt #politics #bucharest #owsJan 15 22:55
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DaemonFCif they tell you to get out of the car, get out and then quickly lock the door and shut itJan 15 22:55
DaemonFCan open door is an invitation for them to stick their head in and claim they saw or smelled somethingJan 15 22:55
_Goblinthat would make no difference here......force can be used to gain entry to: Detect offences, save life or limb....detain persons unlawfully at large etc etcJan 15 22:56
DaemonFCof course, if you know for sure you don't have anything illegal and are trying to be submissive in the hope of buttering them up to get out of a ticket....Jan 15 22:56
_GoblinYou could still get a "woft" of cannabis as the door shutJan 15 22:56
DaemonFCyou may just want to humor themJan 15 22:56
DaemonFCit's their own time they're wastingJan 15 22:56
_Goblinnot reallyJan 15 22:56
_Goblinyou are paying the hourly wageJan 15 22:57
_Goblinso its your moneJan 15 22:57
_Goblin*moneyJan 15 22:57
DaemonFCsure, but otherwise they'd be using that time to harass someone elseJan 15 22:57
cubezzzwhat if I don't own a car? :)Jan 15 22:57
DaemonFCso tying them up with you is a better use of your moneyJan 15 22:57
DaemonFC:)Jan 15 22:57
_Goblinso you pay for them to harass you?Jan 15 22:57
*cubezzz is safeJan 15 22:57
DaemonFCmy car is a mess, but there's nothing illegal in itJan 15 22:58
_GoblinDaemonFC: Get yourself into COLA then if you are into that...you can get harassed by Wintrolls for free.Jan 15 22:58
DaemonFCif they want to go digging through junk mail, mcdonalds wrappers, bottles of oil and antifreeze, etc. let themJan 15 22:58
_Goblinah.... so its dangerous condition then...Jan 15 22:58
DaemonFCof course, watch them hurt themselves on something in there and then sue meJan 15 22:59
DaemonFC*sigh*Jan 15 22:59
_Goblintalking of which....Jan 15 22:59
_GoblinI'm not sure if the law is the same in the US but....Jan 15 23:00
scientes<_Goblin> whats reasonable though?Jan 15 23:00
scientes<_Goblin> Microsoft thought Vista was reasonable.Jan 15 23:00
scienteslololJan 15 23:00
_Goblin"You are responsible for persons on your property either lawfully or not"Jan 15 23:00
DaemonFCthe law is usually meant so that when the state makes a problem, it is your problemJan 15 23:00
_GoblinSo billy burglar that breaks his leg can sue you.Jan 15 23:00
scientes_Goblin, that has happenedJan 15 23:00
scientesand succeededJan 15 23:00
_Goblinyep....Jan 15 23:01
DaemonFC_Goblin: Indiana has stand your ground and castle lawJan 15 23:01
_Goblinnow at first it doesn't seem fair or make sense....Jan 15 23:01
_Goblinhowever....Jan 15 23:01
DaemonFCyou are permitted to use reasonable force to stop a crime against your person or propertyJan 15 23:01
_Goblinimagine this scenarioJan 15 23:01
DaemonFCand there is no obligation to attempt to fleeJan 15 23:01
_GoblinYou come into my shop.....I've not kept the floor in good order, you fall through and break your neck....Jan 15 23:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Protesters gather for fourth straight day in Romania http://ur1.ca/7ij6q #revolt #romania #protest #bucharestJan 15 23:02
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_Goblinnow if that law doesn't exist..whats to stop me saying "Well he was not welcome in my shop"?Jan 15 23:02
_Goblinergo absolving myself of liabilityJan 15 23:02
DaemonFCyou break into my apartment, I whack you across the head with a baseball batJan 15 23:02
DaemonFCit's your own damned faultJan 15 23:02
_Goblinah....now you are changing the goal posts.Jan 15 23:02
DaemonFCif you live, I hope you learned somethingJan 15 23:02
_Goblinin the UK...if you have an honest held belief that you or another is in imminent danger then you can use as much for as is reasonable.Jan 15 23:03
_Goblinbut shooting billy burgler in the back as he leaves with your TV is a no no in the UKJan 15 23:03
_Goblinhardly falls into the spirit of "reasonable"Jan 15 23:03
DaemonFCin Indiana, there's never been a successful case where a burglar sued the property owner for injuries sustained during the burglaryJan 15 23:03
_GoblinI can only speak for the UK....Jan 15 23:04
DaemonFCjuries here just tend to say that if you're there to rob or murder someone, it's at your own riskJan 15 23:04
_Goblinbut as far as Ive seen....the US invented the sueing culterJan 15 23:04
_Goblin*cultureJan 15 23:04
DaemonFCthe UK has us beat from the sound of itJan 15 23:05
_GoblinNot so sure....Jan 15 23:05
DaemonFCsomeone on your property to commit a crime should have no right to sue if they injur themselvesJan 15 23:05
DaemonFC* injure Jan 15 23:05
_Goblinfrom my reading, your courts are far more welcoming of civil cases.Jan 15 23:05
_Goblinand far more encouragingJan 15 23:05
DaemonFCit dependsJan 15 23:06
_GoblinDaemonFC: in reality, it doesn't happen that often....Jan 15 23:06
DaemonFCwhat state you're inJan 15 23:06
DaemonFChas the owner of the property been quick to settle with other fraudsters?Jan 15 23:06
DaemonFCetc.Jan 15 23:06
_Goblinanother sweeping statement from me.....Jan 15 23:06
schestowitz"The Joe Horn shooting controversy refers to the events of November 14, 2007, in Pasadena, Texas, United States when local resident Joe Horn shot and killed two men burgling his neighbor's home. Publicized recordings of Horn's exchange with emergency dispatch indicate that he was asked repeatedly not to interfere with the burglary because the police would soon be on hand."Jan 15 23:06
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Horn_shooting_controversyJan 15 23:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Desura adds free adventure games! | Gaming On !Linux http://goo.gl/aCGW2Jan 15 23:07
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_Goblinthe USA seems to excel in out of court settlements thus making sure no caselaw ever gets passed.Jan 15 23:07
DaemonFCWalmart's policy is that they don't settle with customers who hurt themselves on their propertyJan 15 23:07
DaemonFCthey fight it out in court to the endJan 15 23:07
_Goblinor offer them a Kin from the bargain binJan 15 23:07
scientesto drain them of cashJan 15 23:07
DaemonFCthey also fight unemployment claims aggressively Jan 15 23:07
schestowitzhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/tonymartinJan 15 23:07
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DaemonFCand worker's compJan 15 23:07
_Goblinand thats the other "unfair" part of the USA...unless I'm mistaken you don't have legal aid for civil cases.Jan 15 23:08
DaemonFCwe doJan 15 23:08
_GoblinI stand correctedJan 15 23:08
DaemonFCif you can prove you're poor enough to need itJan 15 23:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Confruntările dintre jandarmi şi grupurile de protestatari s-au răspândit în tot centrul #Bucureştiului http://ur1.ca/7ij9f #romaniaJan 15 23:08
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_Goblinhow do you do that? ;)Jan 15 23:08
_Goblintell em you are still running XP?Jan 15 23:09
DaemonFCthere are groups of lawyers that will donate their time on certain casesJan 15 23:09
_Goblinyou've had to get a WP7 because MS was giving it awayJan 15 23:09
schestowitz"1-15 of 92 for Tony Martin murder case"Jan 15 23:09
DaemonFCor who will work on contingency Jan 15 23:09
DaemonFCif you lose, they'll waive their feeJan 15 23:09
schestowitzMicrosoft is shooting Android in the backJan 15 23:09
_Goblinyou mean no win no feeJan 15 23:09
schestowitz"self defence"Jan 15 23:10
scientes_Goblin, the one good thing the US has is class action suitsJan 15 23:10
schestowitzDefending from more MS layoffsJan 15 23:10
scientesthey started in the USJan 15 23:10
_Goblinscientes: yes, agreedJan 15 23:10
DaemonFC_Goblin: It motivates them to win the case if they want paid, doesn't it?Jan 15 23:10
schestowitza tax on the systemJan 15 23:10
_Goblinbut then I am wondering what examples in the UK have required them when a resolution has not been found with alternative methodsJan 15 23:10
_GoblinBunsfield for exampleJan 15 23:11
DaemonFC_Goblin: I've noticed under Indiana law you can sue in small claims court to get GPL enforcementJan 15 23:11
DaemonFCthe law considers the GPL not only to be a license, but a contract with the end userJan 15 23:12
DaemonFCso violation of the GPL is considered a breach of contract hereJan 15 23:12
_GoblinI would expect to be able to do that here.....(I'll have to check though)Jan 15 23:12
_Goblinthat may well be a first for many UK civil courts.Jan 15 23:12
DaemonFC_Goblin: It's what got Samsung to give up and post their GPL/LGPL covered firmware bits for my blu ray playerJan 15 23:12
schestowitzDaily Fail http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2082716/Sarah-McKinley-Teen-mom-shoots-dead-intruder-Justin-Shane-Martin-looking-prescription-drugs.htmlJan 15 23:12
DaemonFCat first they were blowing me offJan 15 23:13
schestowitzCan't stand their styleJan 15 23:13
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scientesclass action suits are critical for consumer rights casesJan 15 23:13
schestowitzALL CAPS in some headline wordsJan 15 23:13
DaemonFCso I told them that if they continued, I would sue themJan 15 23:13
_Goblinover here though the small claims court only deals up to a value of £500 Jan 15 23:13
DaemonFCwithin the next week, they had the firmware zipped up and hosted ontheir siteJan 15 23:13
_Goblin(or certainly around that)Jan 15 23:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Romanian protests against austerity turn violent http://ur1.ca/7ijbj #romania #bucharest #protest #revolt #revolutionJan 15 23:13
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_Goblinalthough contractually......and I've always wondered this....Jan 15 23:13
DaemonFCit also means that the only way you can get standing to sue is to actually buy an infringing deviceJan 15 23:13
_Goblinhow/what loss would you prove from a GPL violation?Jan 15 23:14
DaemonFCwhich is a bummerJan 15 23:14
DaemonFC_Goblin: I wouldn't be suing them to get moneyJan 15 23:14
_Goblinfor example....I take your code, release my own fork but don't comply with the GPLJan 15 23:14
DaemonFCI would be trying to get a court order for them to turn over the source codeJan 15 23:14
DaemonFCor be in contemptJan 15 23:14
_GoblinDaemonFC: that wasn't the question as if you were not suing for cash then the court here would merely send you awayJan 15 23:14
DaemonFCthen the court can fine them for every day they are not in compliance with the orderJan 15 23:14
_Goblinbut whats the loss in your claimJan 15 23:15
_Goblin?Jan 15 23:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Install Emerald In !Ubuntu 11.10 Oneiric Ocelot Via PPA http://identi.ca/url/64683176Jan 15 23:15
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_Goblinhow can they put a value on harm etc without some point of reference..?Jan 15 23:15
DaemonFCif they were in contempt, they could be fined up to $2,500 per day they ignored the court orderJan 15 23:15
_Goblincontempt would be turning up to a court with a half baked caseJan 15 23:15
_Goblinthats not contemptJan 15 23:16
DaemonFCcontempt is also ignoring a civil court's orderJan 15 23:16
_Goblinthats breach of court orderJan 15 23:16
_Goblinvery differentJan 15 23:16
_Goblinmaybe its a US/UK differenceJan 15 23:16
_Goblincontempt is the disruption of a court (in basic terms)Jan 15 23:16
_Goblinnot paying fines or complying with order is breach of court orderJan 15 23:16
schestowitzWho grants the court power?Jan 15 23:17
DaemonFCthey do it in child support cases a lotJan 15 23:17
schestowitzgovernment or monarchy?Jan 15 23:17
_GoblincrownJan 15 23:17
DaemonFCguy can't pay, so they fine himJan 15 23:17
DaemonFCguy can't pay the fine either so they throw him in jailJan 15 23:17
DaemonFCguy loses job, guy can't pay, guy goes back to jailJan 15 23:18
schestowitzyou skipped a stepJan 15 23:18
DaemonFCchild support cases are slanted so far towards the womanJan 15 23:18
schestowitzloses job, gets hungry/homeless, commits crime, back to jailJan 15 23:18
_Goblinhe applies to work for Microsoft? ;)Jan 15 23:18
DaemonFCthat along with alimony (some states)Jan 15 23:18
DaemonFCit really does undermine feminism you knowJan 15 23:19
DaemonFCwomen that claim to not need men, then they rely on that check every monthJan 15 23:19
_Goblinwhat about the ones that don't get it?Jan 15 23:19
_Goblinwhat about the relationships where the woman earns far more than the man?Jan 15 23:19
DaemonFCalimony laws should be repealedJan 15 23:20
DaemonFCperiodJan 15 23:20
_Goblinyour premise suggests that women can't earn more.Jan 15 23:20
DaemonFCwomen want to say they don't need a man, they shouldn't be living off one while they say thatJan 15 23:20
scientesor the fact that a woman can get an abortion but a man can'tJan 15 23:20
_Goblinwhen the man is partially responsible when children are involved.....Jan 15 23:20
_Goblin*wellJan 15 23:20
DaemonFCthat's differentJan 15 23:20
DaemonFCalimony happens even when they didn't have childrenJan 15 23:20
schestowitzDaemonFC: Jan 15 23:21
schestowitzSometimes the women are not the victim here. Some have managed to gain so much without having to tolerate hard labour. They have used emotional extortion toJan 15 23:21
_Goblinbut then a woman usually changes her surname for a man, so thats not very equal.Jan 15 23:21
DaemonFCI said alimony, not child supportJan 15 23:21
schestowitzscare the kids (like implicit threats of suicide andJan 15 23:21
schestowitzsuch). They sometimes also hurt the spouse in ways they wish/choose not to comprehend  and continue to play as though they are the victim.Jan 15 23:21
DaemonFC_Goblin: There's no legal requirement for the woman to change her surnameJan 15 23:21
DaemonFCit's usually just doneJan 15 23:21
_GoblinI know but it is sort of a "tradition" for want of a better word...whether thats don't to social pressure or merely habbitJan 15 23:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Romanian police fire tear gas in 3rd day of anti-government protests against austerity cuts http://ur1.ca/7ijfb #romania #protestJan 15 23:22
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schestowitzDaemonFC: Law enforcement in the world is a joke in some areas for two reasons; 1) extortion and blackmail -- even physical violence -- are not taken seriously if the complaining spouse is male; 2) women are assumed to have financial entitlement that despite all that they sought in feminism, which was supposed to guarantee them equal opportunity and wage, is now a sham.Jan 15 23:22
_GoblinI'd be interested to see a case where the women earns more than the man.....Jan 15 23:22
DaemonFCschestowitz: I'm pro-equality and against special rightsJan 15 23:22
schestowitzDaemonFC: To play the cards for self-portrayal as a poor victim is shameful, especially if the spouse's position is a lot worse based on the same standards.Jan 15 23:23
schestowitzDaemonFC: rightJan 15 23:23
scientes_Goblin, I know _alot_ of women that either keep their surname, or combine the twoJan 15 23:23
DaemonFCthe two positions are not incompatible Jan 15 23:23
scienteshowever their kids usually adopt the father's surnameJan 15 23:23
scientes(at birth)Jan 15 23:23
_Goblinscientes: yes, but I think its fair to say the majority (for whatever reason) go with the "flow"Jan 15 23:23
schestowitz_Goblin: it's socially frownd upon for a woman to date someone who earns lessJan 15 23:23
schestowitzor doesn't workJan 15 23:23
DaemonFCschestowitz: A woman should be given the same pay as a man would make in her line of workJan 15 23:23
_Goblinschestowitz: thats my chances with Nigella Lawson out the window then :(Jan 15 23:24
schestowitz_Goblin: or rent for that matterJan 15 23:24
DaemonFCA woman who is equally qualified for a job should be given the same consideration as a male applicantJan 15 23:24
schestowitzspeaking from experienceJan 15 23:24
DaemonFCalimony should be repealedJan 15 23:24
scientesI look at the majority of feminism pretty simply:Jan 15 23:24
scientesas a result of changing demographicsJan 15 23:24
DaemonFCchild support should only go by which spouse has the kids and what the other's share should rightfully beJan 15 23:24
scientesmassive increase in life expectancyJan 15 23:24
scientesmassive drop in childhood mortalityJan 15 23:24
DaemonFCwhich spouse gets the kids should not depend on their genderJan 15 23:24
scientesand massive drop in death at childbirthJan 15 23:24
DaemonFC(but it often does and leads to the bias in favor of the woman when child support comes to be an issue)Jan 15 23:25
scienteswhich results in equal (or close) economic output, and consequently a "need" (or ability to demand) rights, esp. "expensive" ones like educationJan 15 23:25
DaemonFCon the other hand, there is RADICAL feminismJan 15 23:25
DaemonFCyou hold the door for a woman, and she slaps you and calls you a pigJan 15 23:26
schestowitzDaemonFC: the irresponsible whacky behaviour is often indicative of the fact that one gave up on playing fair. People in this position should just stop acting like a victim by omitting context from events and distorting the facts. They would make a terrible lawyer.Jan 15 23:26
DaemonFC:)Jan 15 23:26
schestowitzDaemonFC: Felta must have felt a pinchJan 15 23:26
scientesso to get bitter about its existance is stupid---its the normal change in norms fallowing a very significant change in demographicsJan 15 23:26
scientesand should be treated as suchJan 15 23:26
schestowitzI'm all for feminismJan 15 23:27
DaemonFCschestowitz: The judge ordered myself, and my dad to go to counseling after my mom flagrantly flaunted her disgusting extramarital affair with the sleazeball truck driverJan 15 23:27
scientes^^^^Jan 15 23:27
schestowitzit can be good for men, if it was genuine feminismJan 15 23:27
scientes<schestowitz> I'm all for feminism < agreedJan 15 23:27
schestowitzi.e. equal expenses, equal payJan 15 23:27
DaemonFCand made off with more than half the assets and less than half of the debtJan 15 23:27
schestowitzUsually iy's not that in practiceJan 15 23:27
DaemonFCthe court was unfair against my dad in that caseJan 15 23:27
DaemonFCand meJan 15 23:27
schestowitzSome people call themselves "traditional" or "conservative" or whateverJan 15 23:27
scientesmen's rights is greatJan 15 23:27
scientestooJan 15 23:27
DaemonFCI didn't need counseling, I'm STILL angry at my motherJan 15 23:28
schestowitzAnd cling on to old conventions when it suits them, and ONLY when it suits them.Jan 15 23:28
scientesthere is also the guilty until proven innocent shit on sexual assult shitJan 15 23:28
scientesshitJan 15 23:28
scientesits so stupidJan 15 23:28
DaemonFCthe judge should rightly have thrown her out on her ass with nothingJan 15 23:28
DaemonFCafter what she didJan 15 23:28
schestowitzDaemonFC: good luck with the US court systemJan 15 23:28
scienteslots of women play that gameJan 15 23:28
DaemonFCthis legal system in the US is so fucked upJan 15 23:29
schestowitzI bet the lawyers cost a bundle, tooJan 15 23:29
scientesmen that are told they can't go to their own house (that they own outright)Jan 15 23:29
scientesand other stupid shitJan 15 23:29
schestowitzyeahJan 15 23:29
schestowitzspoke to a mate todayJan 15 23:29
schestowitzhis family had that done to itJan 15 23:29
DaemonFCschestowitz: I spoke to the judge about herJan 15 23:29
DaemonFCduring the divorceJan 15 23:29
schestowitz"think of the children"Jan 15 23:29
DaemonFCI spoke in court about her Jan 15 23:29
scientesthe judges and police state just likes the power it gives themJan 15 23:30
DaemonFCI told the court everything I saw and heardJan 15 23:30
scientesand women and them build off each otherJan 15 23:30
DaemonFCand then in return, it made no differenceJan 15 23:30
DaemonFCand they ordered me into counselingJan 15 23:30
DaemonFCthat's "Justice"Jan 15 23:30
DaemonFCno it's notJan 15 23:30
schestowitzso she cheated on Felta, got the house, and got both ends of the stickJan 15 23:30
schestowitzWelcome to the USAJan 15 23:30
DaemonFCthey can call it whatever they likeJan 15 23:30
schestowitzand the kids are left with the dadJan 15 23:30
schestowitzbecause the spender won't shareJan 15 23:30
scientesschestowitz, that is a case where it is appropriate to use the word "bitch"Jan 15 23:31
DaemonFCI don't know what's in it for the man in marriageJan 15 23:31
schestowitzthat seems to be why marriages in the US are fallingJan 15 23:31
schestowitzmany marriages there seem to go along those linesJan 15 23:31
schestowitzORJan 15 23:31
DaemonFCfor the woman it's an early retirement planJan 15 23:31
DaemonFCshe can do her time and then divorce him and take everythingJan 15 23:31
scientes"marriage" doesn't mean ANYTHINGJan 15 23:31
schestowitzThe situation serves as a deterrence so couples stay forcibly together... as it would be more expensive to go separate waysJan 15 23:31
scientesgoogle "statutory rape"Jan 15 23:31
schestowitz"MAD marriage" :-)Jan 15 23:32
schestowitzMA.D.Jan 15 23:32
scienteswait "marital rape"Jan 15 23:32
schestowitzwaitJan 15 23:32
DaemonFCschestowitz: there's people I know who want a divorce but their financial situation is such that neither would end up aheadJan 15 23:32
schestowitzthat's like saying beautiful beaty?Jan 15 23:32
DaemonFCand the costs to get one are too muchJan 15 23:33
schestowitzthat's like saying beautiful beauty?Jan 15 23:33
DaemonFCso they just unofficially separate Jan 15 23:33
DaemonFCon paper, the marriage is ongoingJan 15 23:33
schestowitzyes, states like marriagesJan 15 23:33
DaemonFCit makes for better statistics for religious groupsJan 15 23:33
schestowitzit keeps their stats sheet betterJan 15 23:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] co-sponsor of anti-open access bill, defends NY publishing industry - http://bit.ly/z1nnjS delusional at every level (v @Copycense) #oaJan 15 23:33
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scienteshttp://theredpillroom.blogspot.com/2011/12/marriage-30-31-311-32-33-34-and-beyond.htmlJan 15 23:33
TechrightsBot-trTitle: The Red Pill Room: Marriage 3.0, 3.1, 3.11, 3.2, 3.3, 3.4 and beyond: Yes, We're All Screwed Now. .::. Size~: 122.39 KBJan 15 23:33
schestowitzand helps raise more kids with more wardens in the houseJan 15 23:33
schestowitz=more taxpayersJan 15 23:34
scientestheredpillroom.blogspot.com/2011/12/marriage-10-and-11-real-story.htmlJan 15 23:34
scienteshttp://theredpillroom.blogspot.com/2011/12/marriage-20-21-and-22-muffin-years.htmlJan 15 23:34
TechrightsBot-trTitle: The Red Pill Room: Marriage 2.0, 2.1 and 2.2: The Muffin Years .::. Size~: 103.45 KBJan 15 23:34
schestowitzmore troops, more people to pay back national debt over timeJan 15 23:34
schestowitz"If Marriage 1.0 was about male fitness and prowess and Marriage 1.1 was about herd management and wealth-in-cows, Marriage 2.0 was about Wealth-in-real-estate-and-muffins."Jan 15 23:35
scientes"Jan 15 23:35
scientesIt turns out that most Paleomarriages were the result of 1) short life expectancy/high infant mortality 2) hunter/gatherer/fisher economy and 3) availability of protein in the diet."Jan 15 23:35
schestowitz"That’s where the real Marriage 2.0 came into play, the Agricultural Marriage. "Jan 15 23:35
scientes"short life expectancy/high infant mortality" <--what i was saying earlier about feminismJan 15 23:36
scientesmeans women neccicarily spend all their life raising kids just to keep the species aroundJan 15 23:36
schestowitz"Inheritance becomes a huge issue in Marriage 2.0 -- indeed, it's a defining characteristic. A man who farms (or owns some farmers) wants to ensure that his children are really his, and that his accumulated wealth will be distributed fairly to avoid feuds and bloodshed among his descendents. Since accumulated wealth is measured in bushels and acres, real estate is suddenly the most important thing in the world."Jan 15 23:36
schestowitz"Back in Marriage 1.0, you only had a few kids to divide up your personal effects; your stock-in-trade, skill as a hunter/fisher, is non-transferable, unless you count magic. Add in cows and it gets somewhat complicated, but not much more. But when it comes to real estate and the relative arability of a piece of land, then accumulated wealth becomes a very, very big deal. "Jan 15 23:37
schestowitz"The variant is Marriage 2.2, the Upper Class. Marriage is different for those of the aristocracy. Marriages are de facto unions of power blocs and economic empires. They aren’t expected to be romantic in the slightest, and are often barely sexual – as long as they produce a few legitimate heirs, they’re successful no matter how much they fight and scheme."Jan 15 23:37
schestowitz"Note the emphasis on fewer children – which means an institutional consolidation of power, as opposed to a dilution of power with every generation. Rich families have a few kids that they lavish attention on, instead of a lot of kids that they can support, but who will someday fight over the economic empire you’ve created. "Jan 15 23:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] GALERIE FOTO Protestatarii din Piaţa Universităţii cer demisia lui Traian Băsescu http://ur1.ca/7ijkh #romania #bucharest #protest #owsJan 15 23:38
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scientes"For example some island-bound tribes restrict the wife's ability to have sex with her husband for SEVEN YEARS after the birth of her child, "Jan 15 23:39
DaemonFCschestowitz: Al Bundy shouted at a police officer :)Jan 15 23:39
DaemonFC"If I paid taxes, I'd be paying your salary!"Jan 15 23:39
DaemonFC:)Jan 15 23:40
DaemonFChttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_IndianaJan 15 23:40
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schestowitzAlm Bunday>FoxJan 15 23:40
schestowitzFox>Murdoch> non taxpayersJan 15 23:41
DaemonFCWind energy is currently the fastest growing form of energy production in the stateJan 15 23:41
DaemonFCof course, the production capacity for wind will only cover about 3-4% of the total demandJan 15 23:41
schestowitzthat's okayJan 15 23:42
scientesmuffinsJan 15 23:43
schestowitzwill it make up for the energy spent building wing power collecting facilities?Jan 15 23:43
DaemonFCwell, sureJan 15 23:43
DaemonFCeventuallyJan 15 23:44
schestowitz"I like the unified control center in OpenSuse. The repository is lacking, and when you start bringing others in. OH MY GOSH, so much heck can happen when there's dependency hell and it wants to uninstall X11 to install something you might want. " https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1184730Jan 15 23:44
TechrightsBot-tr@: Jan 15 23:44
schestowitzopensuse seems flaky based on some stuff I readJan 15 23:44
DaemonFCan alarming number of KDE developers are using itJan 15 23:44
scientesgnome3 has a unified control centerJan 15 23:44
schestowitzDaemonFC: some of the opponents say the contrary about solar energyJan 15 23:44
DaemonFCI didn't see one of them using Kubuntu or FedoraJan 15 23:44
DaemonFCthat kind of scares meJan 15 23:44
scienteseek dependancy hell, I've not seen that at all since i've moved to linuxJan 15 23:45
DaemonFCbroken multiarch was what chased me away from Kubuntu 11.10Jan 15 23:45
DaemonFCI'll see where things are at in 12.04Jan 15 23:45
scientesgranted, emdebian is not perfect, but is getting betterJan 15 23:45
DaemonFCit probably won't be badly broken since they're more cautious about LTS releasesJan 15 23:45
scientesDaemonFC, i'm using 11.10, and i can install programs from i386 right from synapticJan 15 23:46
DaemonFCI still strongly disagree with how they're doing multiarchJan 15 23:46
DaemonFCit's wrong, it's a standards violationJan 15 23:46
scientes(granted i havn't done it, nor reason)Jan 15 23:46
DaemonFCbut, fuck it if they can make it work, I guessJan 15 23:46
scientesDaemonFC, how?Jan 15 23:46
scientesI've read the whole proposal, it makes senseJan 15 23:46
scientesDaemonFC, you want /lib64 ?Jan 15 23:46
DaemonFCit violates the Filesystem Hierarchy StandardJan 15 23:46
scientesthats whorribleJan 15 23:47
scienteslets add /libarm /libfooJan 15 23:47
DaemonFCFedora can have 32-bit and 64-bit RPMs installed side by sideJan 15 23:47
scientesthats obviously a much woorse messJan 15 23:47
DaemonFCwithout conflicting with each otherJan 15 23:47
scientesso can debianJan 15 23:47
DaemonFCnoJan 15 23:47
scientesjust not binariesJan 15 23:47
DaemonFCwith multiarch, it's one or the otherJan 15 23:47
scientes*just not executablesJan 15 23:47
DaemonFCwhich totally blowsJan 15 23:47
scientesDaemonFC, you can have 32-bit and 640bit of same libraryJan 15 23:47
scientesjust not the executableJan 15 23:47
scientesit enables upgrades from 32-bit to 64-bitJan 15 23:48
DaemonFCwell, X86-64 is always going to be more of a hybrid than a pure 64-bit architectureJan 15 23:48
_Goblinright im off v.tiredJan 15 23:48
scientesor armel to armhfJan 15 23:48
*_Goblin has quit (Quit: Leaving)Jan 15 23:48
DaemonFCbecause you'll need backward compatibility in most casesJan 15 23:48
scientesDaemonFC, my system doesn't even have any 32-bit libs installedJan 15 23:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] rotestele din România ocupă spații largi în presa internațională http://ur1.ca/7ijny #romania #protest #bucharestJan 15 23:48
scientesthat i am using right nowJan 15 23:48
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Protestele din România ocupă spații largi în presa internațională dcnews.ro .::. Size~: 56.46 KBJan 15 23:48
TechrightsBot-trthat i am using right nowJan 15 23:48
scientes<TechrightsBot-tr> that i am using right nowJan 15 23:49
scienteseekJan 15 23:49
DaemonFCyou can run the CPU in long mode using only X86-64 binaries and librariesJan 15 23:49
DaemonFCbut you're not going to be using WineJan 15 23:49
DaemonFCor a lot of 32-bit only Linux software with no native portJan 15 23:49
DaemonFCthe overhead for 32-bit compatibility is smallJan 15 23:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Protestele din România ocupă spații largi în presa internațională http://ur1.ca/7ijny #romania #protest #bucharestJan 15 23:50
DaemonFCbut Debian and Ubuntu have managed to fuck up their implementationJan 15 23:50
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DaemonFCthere's crazier distributions out there thoughJan 15 23:51
DaemonFCPCLinuxOS which thinks 32-bit with PAE is an acceptable answerJan 15 23:51
DaemonFCit isn'tJan 15 23:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Miting împotriva lui Băsescu. Protestele din Piaţa Universităţii ÎN IMAGINI http://ur1.ca/7ijr3 #photo #romania #protest #bucharestJan 15 23:55
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Miting împotriva lui Băsescu. Protestele din Piaţa Universităţii ÎN IMAGINI - Gandul .::. Size~: 135.13 KBJan 15 23:55
DaemonFChmmm, not only is the Kubuntu daily ISO still oversized, it's gotten largerJan 15 23:56
DaemonFCI could still use a DVD thoughJan 15 23:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Kobo store ebook restrictions and #DRM | NeverFriday http://ow.ly/8ubWJJan 15 23:57
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Kobo store ebook restrictions and DRM | NeverFriday .::. Size~: 18.69 KBJan 15 23:57

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