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| schestowitz | LOL the Lin*** folks http://omgcheesecake.net/index.php?/topic/1948-schestowitzcom/ | Feb 23 08:22 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/91035763 | Feb 23 09:48 |
| TechrightsSocial | @Jose R Rodriguez (metztli)'s status on Thursday, 23-Feb-12 09:34:00 UTC - Identi.ca: How #Greece Could Take Down Wall Street http://ur1.ca/8bljr " #Greeks are going hungry to protect a rigged $32 trillion #WS casino" #OWS | Feb 23 09:48 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120221/03323417826/techdirt-deemed-harmful-to-minors-germany.shtml | Feb 23 09:51 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Techdirt Deemed Harmful To Minors In Germany | Techdirt .::. Size~: 179.16 KB | Feb 23 09:51 |
| MinceR | turrism? | Feb 23 09:52 |
| MinceR | oh i see, some fascist in germany dislikes what techdirt had to say | Feb 23 09:54 |
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| schestowitz | PIRACY!! | Feb 23 10:08 |
| schestowitz | Now there's a new term I saw in some site | Feb 23 10:08 |
| schestowitz | "plagiarism" | Feb 23 10:08 |
| schestowitz | apparently sounds worse than piracy | Feb 23 10:08 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/91037066 | Feb 23 10:21 |
| TechrightsSocial | @frogfall's status on Thursday, 23-Feb-12 10:11:42 UTC - Identi.ca: I guess malware always comes with popularity. Blaming OSS is a bit rich tho. | Feb 23 10:21 |
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| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: http://mashable.com/2012/02/22/mike-daisey-interview | Feb 23 15:37 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Apple Investigator Has His Doubts About Nightline's Foxconn Report [INTERVIEW] .::. Size~: 124 KB | Feb 23 15:37 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: http://mashable.com/2012/02/22/foxconn | Feb 23 15:39 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: 10 Staggering Facts Behind Apple's Foxconn Factory .::. Size~: 129.88 KB | Feb 23 15:39 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: what do you make of it? | Feb 23 15:45 |
| qu1j0t3 | it's obviously a PR campaign. | Feb 23 15:46 |
| qu1j0t3 | they have the cash to put whatever they want in the media | Feb 23 15:46 |
| qu1j0t3 | also, positive spin about Foxconn benefits all the other US importers | Feb 23 15:46 |
| qu1j0t3 | so... | Feb 23 15:46 |
| qu1j0t3 | which means every pretty much US corporate, at this point | Feb 23 15:47 |
| qu1j0t3 | so to run material like this is a no-brainer for Cook | Feb 23 15:47 |
| qu1j0t3 | who organised it | Feb 23 15:47 |
| qu1j0t3 | they admit it | Feb 23 15:47 |
| qu1j0t3 | "Apple asked us to do this. Oh, and btw they have very close ties to our owner." | Feb 23 15:47 |
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| MinceR | http://narf-archive.com/pix/aa7c24da70261a8e342e4ea334b19a8e620e99ce.jpg | Feb 23 16:02 |
| TechrightsSocial | Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type | Feb 23 16:02 |
| qu1j0t3 | when apple executives are quoted as saying "profits over people" then there is a big problem, spin or no spin. | Feb 23 16:03 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: the daisey article has some interesting analysis of profit margins. | Feb 23 16:03 |
| schestowitz | they actually said explicitly;y profit over peoople? | Feb 23 16:06 |
| qu1j0t3 | an exec was quoted saying people don't care about chinese workers -- they care about their new ipad | Feb 23 16:09 |
| qu1j0t3 | or "our customers care more about getting a new ipad than chinese workers" | Feb 23 16:09 |
| qu1j0t3 | and now cook's come out and said "any suggestion we don't care about every worker in our supply chain is OFFENSIVE" | Feb 23 16:09 |
| qu1j0t3 | as if only someone unbalanced would suggest it | Feb 23 16:10 |
| qu1j0t3 | so yeah in one corner we have billionaire Cook, and on the other, a Chinese earning $1/hour and eyeing suicide nets. | Feb 23 16:10 |
| qu1j0t3 | fuck that shit. | Feb 23 16:10 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: these quotes are sourceable; the people-over-profit one was, i think, anonymous though. | Feb 23 16:15 |
| qu1j0t3 | "unnamed exec" | Feb 23 16:15 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: http://www.google.ca/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=tim+cook+offensive+foxconn | Feb 23 16:16 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: tim cook offensive foxconn - Google Search .::. Size~: 143.4 KB | Feb 23 16:16 |
| MinceR | apparently crApple execs think offensive things, then :> | Feb 23 16:16 |
| qu1j0t3 | yes, apparently they do. | Feb 23 16:16 |
| MinceR | they should get offended by themselves | Feb 23 16:16 |
| qu1j0t3 | and that's a problem. | Feb 23 16:16 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: so, the cook 'offensive' spin is another front in the PR war. | Feb 23 16:17 |
| schestowitz | did the American channel with Apple ties do a whitewash piece there? | Feb 23 16:31 |
| schestowitz | Remember what I said recently, the US folks want to justify these abuses | Feb 23 16:32 |
| schestowitz | "we treat China this way because they steal from us" | Feb 23 16:32 |
| schestowitz | "Black people are poor because they are not smart" < another common self-justification | Feb 23 16:32 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: yes. whitewash. | Feb 23 16:36 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: they even say 'conditions at foxconn would never be tolerated by americans.. but this doesn't matter' | Feb 23 16:36 |
| schestowitz | It's not just an Apple issue | Feb 23 16:51 |
| schestowitz | It's an ethical issue and a globalisation matter | Feb 23 16:51 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: right | Feb 23 17:03 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: and apple's PR campaign is taking us backwards | Feb 23 17:03 |
| schestowitz | Let me see if I follow this line of reasoning | Feb 23 17:10 |
| schestowitz | So if Apple was to try and take people off its back | Feb 23 17:10 |
| schestowitz | it would: | Feb 23 17:10 |
| schestowitz | 1) describe or pose this as a "they do it too" scenario | Feb 23 17:10 |
| schestowitz | 2) change the vocabulary, e.g. the nets are there to "protect" them (from themselves) | Feb 23 17:11 |
| qu1j0t3 | that was done | Feb 23 17:11 |
| qu1j0t3 | foxconn say that | Feb 23 17:11 |
| schestowitz | 3) the offensive party is that which points the finger at us | Feb 23 17:11 |
| qu1j0t3 | tim cook said that | Feb 23 17:11 |
| qu1j0t3 | on the record | Feb 23 17:11 |
| schestowitz | so that makes you and I the "poisonous" ones | Feb 23 17:11 |
| qu1j0t3 | yes. | Feb 23 17:11 |
| schestowitz | anti-capitalist | Feb 23 17:11 |
| schestowitz | and "offensive" | Feb 23 17:11 |
| schestowitz | I love this old line of excuse | Feb 23 17:11 |
| schestowitz | [common] | Feb 23 17:11 |
| schestowitz | "If we didn't give us those jobs, they would starve" | Feb 23 17:12 |
| schestowitz | "We actually do them a favour, they could so $param instead" | Feb 23 17:12 |
| schestowitz | $param = drugs, prostitution are common | Feb 23 17:12 |
| schestowitz | For ones that are hard to defend | Feb 23 17:12 |
| schestowitz | me: maybe it would have been better if they just did $param | Feb 23 17:13 |
| schestowitz | Apple: what are you, a pedophile? | Feb 23 17:13 |
| schestowitz | or: | Feb 23 17:13 |
| schestowitz | Me: Maybe getting paid less and actually having a life (no 15-hour working day) would be more rearding to them | Feb 23 17:13 |
| schestowitz | Apple: THey would make less money. Money comes first. | Feb 23 17:14 |
| schestowitz | PR drone/counch potato: Apple is right, they do them a favour and help those people make money | Feb 23 17:14 |
| schestowitz | Alter-ego: I wonder if jumping off this roof would actually be more rearding then working here | Feb 23 17:14 |
| schestowitz | COmmon saying: death is the most terrible thing | Feb 23 17:15 |
| schestowitz | Intelelctuals: there are worse things than death, like a void life without purpose of identity | Feb 23 17:15 |
| schestowitz | Chinese: we are people with feelings | Feb 23 17:15 |
| schestowitz | Westerner: they're CHinese. There's like a billion of them, who cares? | Feb 23 17:16 |
| qu1j0t3 | the Daisey article covers some of your points | Feb 23 17:17 |
| qu1j0t3 | 'why apple' | Feb 23 17:17 |
| schestowitz | why Apple? | Feb 23 17:20 |
| schestowitz | Why Intel? | Feb 23 17:20 |
| schestowitz | Why Nintendo? | Feb 23 17:20 |
| schestowitz | Why anyone? | Feb 23 17:21 |
| schestowitz | Just forget the issue. | Feb 23 17:21 |
| qu1j0t3 | exactly. there's no profit in human rights. | Feb 23 17:21 |
| qu1j0t3 | change of subject. http://www.quora.com/Is-Microsofts-platform-prohibitively-expensive-for-large-scale-web-deployment/answer/Simon-Willison | Feb 23 17:27 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Simon Willison's answer to Is Microsoft's platform prohibitively expensive for large scale web deployment? - Quora .::. Size~: 67.42 KB | Feb 23 17:27 |
| qu1j0t3 | good answer :D | Feb 23 17:27 |
| qu1j0t3 | http://www.salon.com/2012/02/23/there_is_no_ethical_smartphone/ | Feb 23 17:36 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: There is no ethical smartphone - Apple - Salon.com .::. Size~: 139.99 KB | Feb 23 17:36 |
| qu1j0t3 | 'Wood’s dilemma extended far beyond the well-publicized abusive working conditions at Foxconn, the Taiwanese manufacturing giant that assembles Apple’s iPhone, along with countless other consumer electronic devices. Labor and environmental abuses are endemic throughout the global electronics industry, from the mining of the minerals used to make the basic components, through their | Feb 23 17:36 |
| qu1j0t3 | assembly and all the way up to (and beyond) the disposal of last year’s obsolete model. There’s no getting around the hard truth: right now, there is no such thing as an “ethical smartphone.” | Feb 23 17:36 |
| qu1j0t3 | 'At a talk at the TED conference in 2010, founder and president Auret van Heerden made it clear that he saw multinational corporations as the only vehicle capable of ensuring lasting improvement in workplace conditions in the developing world — “the only transnational actor with real power to affect people’s lives” — something that may seem strange to those who see multinational | Feb 23 17:37 |
| qu1j0t3 | outsourcing and offshoring strategies as one of the major forces undermining the standards of living for workers in the developed world. (And indeed, Heerden immediately surprised and dismayed Apple’s critics by gushing about how great Foxconn’s factories were.) | Feb 23 17:37 |
| schestowitz | [17:36] <TechrightsSocial> Title: There is no ethical smartphone - Apple - Salon.com .::. Size~: 139.99 KB | Feb 23 17:45 |
| schestowitz | answer: | Feb 23 17:45 |
| schestowitz | not production in the West, it'll never fly | Feb 23 17:45 |
| schestowitz | just less consumerism | Feb 23 17:45 |
| schestowitz | if you can reuse or fix something, do it | Feb 23 17:45 |
| schestowitz | would benefit planet Earth, too | Feb 23 17:46 |
| qu1j0t3 | right | Feb 23 17:50 |
| qu1j0t3 | that's what wasn't said. i was tempted to say that in comments. | Feb 23 17:51 |
| qu1j0t3 | the problem is, Reduce/Reuse/Recycle are offensive to capitalistas | Feb 23 17:51 |
| qu1j0t3 | "BUT THE ECONOMY" | Feb 23 17:51 |
| schestowitz | Well, too bad, eh? They are judged by quarters | Feb 23 17:51 |
| schestowitz | Not of a century | Feb 23 17:51 |
| schestowitz | so if they use up all the metals, that's OK, they will have retired by the time it's all exhausted | Feb 23 17:52 |
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| MinceR | http://io9.com/5887014/meet-thiotimoline-the-chemical-compound-isaac-asimov-invented-to-spoof-boring-science-writing | Feb 23 20:06 |
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| schestowitz | > Let's make some short note public. | Feb 23 20:30 |
| schestowitz | What type of note did you have in mind? A report addendum? | Feb 23 20:30 |
| schestowitz | ^^ moving on to next project perhaps | Feb 23 20:30 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1332944 | Feb 23 20:32 |
| TechrightsSocial | @atomjack@poddery.com: we need the wood  #cross #wood | Feb 23 20:32 |
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| MinceR | :) | Feb 23 20:32 |
| schestowitz | "Here try this live CD " https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1333814 | Feb 23 20:53 |
| TechrightsSocial | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Rank your Linux-Nerd Level http://jeffhoogland.blogspot.com/2012/02/rank-your-linux-nerd-level.html #linux | Feb 23 20:53 |
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| MinceR | why would a "god" pray? | Feb 23 20:55 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: http://mashable.com/2012/02/23/foxconn-apple-respond-to-abc-report | Feb 23 21:45 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Foxconn and Apple Respond to ABC Report .::. Size~: 136.55 KB | Feb 23 21:45 |
| schestowitz | ABC=>Jobs | Feb 23 21:51 |
| schestowitz | Foxconn is an ally of Apple | Feb 23 21:51 |
| schestowitz | The headline is all wrong | Feb 23 21:51 |
| schestowitz | NOBODY ASKS THE EMPLOYEES WHAT THEY THINK | Feb 23 21:51 |
| qu1j0t3 | :) | Feb 23 21:52 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: turns out communism has nothing to do with unionisation and workers' rights after all. | Feb 23 21:52 |
| *qu1j0t3 giggles | Feb 23 21:52 | |
| schestowitz | They assume that people will fall for "Foxconn"=employees, not just board/spokespeople | Feb 23 21:52 |
| qu1j0t3 | right | Feb 23 21:54 |
| schestowitz | ABS speaks only to job creators, now pawns | Feb 23 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Pawns have no money | Feb 23 22:01 |
| schestowitz | Hence they have not a clue, they reckon | Feb 23 22:02 |
| schestowitz | They should ask SIr Bill Gates what he thinks of this Foxconn fiasco | Feb 23 22:02 |
| schestowitz | You know, to balance things off | Feb 23 22:02 |
| qu1j0t3 | ohhhh did u notice, Cherie Blair is suing 'somebody' over phone hacking./ | Feb 23 22:02 |
| schestowitz | PC vs Mac - Gates vs Jobs | Feb 23 22:02 |
| schestowitz | i.e. lower class vs upper class | Feb 23 22:03 |
| schestowitz | Right vs Left | Feb 23 22:03 |
| schestowitz | Evil vs Good | Feb 23 22:03 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: re B'liar, he reckons that other dude is a criminal; he and his mate Rupe have got the tapes to prove it ;-) | Feb 23 22:04 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: Huff Po is advertising BIll | Feb 23 22:26 |
| schestowitz | http://gateskeepers.civiblog.org/blog/_archives/2011/11/30/4949767.html | Feb 23 22:26 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Gates Keepers :: Swell biking to work at the Gates Foundation .::. Size~: 21.54 KB | Feb 23 22:26 |
| schestowitz | "But when recently I accepted a position as a communications coordinator at the Gates Foundation, I knew my cushy biking days had ended. Gates has a beautiful new campus on Lower Queen Anne, just four miles from my house, but no free parking for employees. Their brand new parking garage is for the staff members who opt to pay for a spot, and for the super important people (like Bill and Melinda)." | Feb 23 22:26 |
| schestowitz | HuffPo | Feb 23 22:26 |
| schestowitz | You pay | Feb 23 22:26 |
| schestowitz | we make placements | Feb 23 22:26 |
| schestowitz | Like the Fox motto | Feb 23 22:26 |
| schestowitz | Melinda preaches women on their shagging habits http://psihealthylives.com/2011/11/melinda-gates-shows-support-for-family-planning.html | Feb 23 22:27 |
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| schestowitz | #1 lady | Feb 23 22:27 |
| schestowitz | who, unlike lady obama, will retain this position without elections | Feb 23 22:27 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: yes, HuffPo syndicated Bill for years. | Feb 23 22:27 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: you never noticed? | Feb 23 22:27 |
| schestowitz | and continue to buy some 'awards' for credibility in this area | Feb 23 22:27 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: I didn't notice, no | Feb 23 22:28 |
| qu1j0t3 | haha | Feb 23 22:28 |
| qu1j0t3 | i used to talk about it | Feb 23 22:28 |
| schestowitz | I only read it when people link to it | Feb 23 22:28 |
| qu1j0t3 | you must have forgotten | Feb 23 22:28 |
| schestowitz | I am trying to use humour about this now | Feb 23 22:28 |
| qu1j0t3 | how do you think i figured out the HuffPo plays for the wrong team? | Feb 23 22:28 |
| schestowitz | I'm past the point of being serious about these criminals | Feb 23 22:28 |
| qu1j0t3 | right | Feb 23 22:29 |
| qu1j0t3 | you're where i was a couple of years ago :) | Feb 23 22:29 |
| schestowitz | http://goo.gl/GC0ul | Feb 23 22:29 |
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| schestowitz | http://gateskeepers.civiblog.org/blog/_archives/2011/12/2/4950906.html | Feb 23 22:31 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Gates Keepers :: Does the Gates Foundation fund Koch's climate lies? .::. Size~: 20.72 KB | Feb 23 22:31 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: my father thinks that moving to less developed countries permanently is a Bad Idea {tm} | Feb 23 22:32 |
| qu1j0t3 | .b 14 | Feb 23 22:32 |
| schestowitz | He gave some compelling reasons, too | Feb 23 22:32 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: LOL | Feb 23 22:32 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: such as? | Feb 23 22:32 |
| schestowitz | It's not the same as Gates getting off some jet | Feb 23 22:32 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: has he ever lived in one? | Feb 23 22:32 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: if not, his opinion may be worthless | Feb 23 22:32 |
| schestowitz | to touch a black kid, wash up, and hop back to Kirkland | Feb 23 22:32 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: he hasn't, no | Feb 23 22:32 |
| qu1j0t3 | well.... | Feb 23 22:32 |
| schestowitz | he thought about it | Feb 23 22:32 |
| schestowitz | India for example | Feb 23 22:33 |
| schestowitz | But for different reasons | Feb 23 22:33 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: i married someone from this background (pretty low social status); and lived in such a country for some time. | Feb 23 22:33 |
| schestowitz | anyway, I decided to try in December | Feb 23 22:33 |
| schestowitz | and see if I like it | Feb 23 22:33 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: their status was low enough that canada would never, ever grant them a visa. i.e. lower middle class | Feb 23 22:33 |
| schestowitz | I'll give that a go, you can only regret the things you DON'T try, they say... | Feb 23 22:34 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: i learned a lot about immigration through all this | Feb 23 22:34 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: absolutely | Feb 23 22:34 |
| schestowitz | spent some hours with OH looking at estate sites | Feb 23 22:34 |
| schestowitz | houses are so cheap | Feb 23 22:34 |
| schestowitz | for the money earned here | Feb 23 22:35 |
| schestowitz | not sure about safety | Feb 23 22:35 |
| schestowitz | like, armed robberies | Feb 23 22:35 |
| schestowitz | I said, if I can continue working remotely, that would be ideal | Feb 23 22:35 |
| schestowitz | almost no expenses, incoming an order of magnitude higher than those | Feb 23 22:35 |
| qu1j0t3 | i would never live in a gated community | Feb 23 22:36 |
| schestowitz | some risks are worth taking | Feb 23 22:37 |
| schestowitz | part of interesting lives | Feb 23 22:37 |
| qu1j0t3 | i think so. | Feb 23 22:38 |
| qu1j0t3 | getting married is a 'risk' in some people's eyes. | Feb 23 22:38 |
| schestowitz | "What is the Gates Foundation doing in Zimbabwe anyway?" http://gateskeepers.civiblog.org/blog/_archives/2011/12/5/4952639.html | Feb 23 22:42 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Gates Keepers :: Poor choice of site for the Gates Foundation foray into Zimbabwe .::. Size~: 22.07 KB | Feb 23 22:42 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: not getting married yet, but it also depends to whom anyway | Feb 23 22:43 |
| schestowitz | it's very risky when you spoil someone or wed someone spoiled, then it becomes all about money | Feb 23 22:43 |
| schestowitz | and kids too | Feb 23 22:43 |
| schestowitz | you'd only ever hear from there when they need something, usually money | Feb 23 22:43 |
| schestowitz | maybe gifts - when they're very young | Feb 23 22:43 |
| schestowitz | "Health has lost a leader. Has global development gained one?" http://gateskeepers.civiblog.org/blog/_archives/2011/12/6/4953281.html | Feb 23 22:45 |
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| schestowitz | yuck, those enthusiastic reports are clearly PR | Feb 23 22:45 |
| schestowitz | No substances in then | Feb 23 22:45 |
| schestowitz | just sheerleading | Feb 23 22:45 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: sometimes you can't predict. it's a leap of faith. | Feb 23 22:47 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: people drift apart. | Feb 23 22:47 |
| schestowitz | The plutocrats think they're perfect | Feb 23 23:02 |
| schestowitz | unlike other people | Feb 23 23:02 |
| schestowitz | In my view, people have neither flaws nor imperfections. people have characteristics. If we were all impeccable, we would all be identical and thus the world would be a boring place. | Feb 23 23:02 |
| qu1j0t3 | to me it's more complex. | Feb 23 23:03 |
| qu1j0t3 | we can choose to aspire to something | Feb 23 23:03 |
| qu1j0t3 | being civilised , for example. | Feb 23 23:03 |
| qu1j0t3 | of course, we're a mess | Feb 23 23:04 |
| qu1j0t3 | but we can aspire to civisation | Feb 23 23:04 |
| qu1j0t3 | it's not achieved anywhere | Feb 23 23:04 |
| qu1j0t3 | will we sacrifice for it? | Feb 23 23:04 |
| qu1j0t3 | will i sacrifice a new iPod for an ideal that humans should not be treated like machines | Feb 23 23:04 |
| schestowitz | some people strive for wealth gains | Feb 23 23:04 |
| qu1j0t3 | sure they do | Feb 23 23:05 |
| schestowitz | it's another score to keep | Feb 23 23:05 |
| qu1j0t3 | we call these people 'assholes' | Feb 23 23:05 |
| schestowitz | to a mage, being a warrior is not a goal | Feb 23 23:05 |
| qu1j0t3 | bad parenting, i guess, combined with bad culture | Feb 23 23:05 |
| schestowitz | A warrior needs no mana either | Feb 23 23:05 |
| schestowitz | not jusy bad paenting | Feb 23 23:05 |
| schestowitz | or abuse | Feb 23 23:05 |
| schestowitz | expectations of wealth | Feb 23 23:05 |
| schestowitz | the measures by which the parents assess "success" | Feb 23 23:06 |
| qu1j0t3 | Tiger Mom | Feb 23 23:06 |
| schestowitz | competition with aunts, uncles, cousins, etc,. | Feb 23 23:06 |
| schestowitz | Status symbols | Feb 23 23:06 |
| qu1j0t3 | 'imma treat u like an asshole so u get rich and look after me , gimme a comfortable old age' | Feb 23 23:06 |
| schestowitz | aggregate wealth vs ethics | Feb 23 23:06 |
| qu1j0t3 | then they do it to their kids, and so on | Feb 23 23:06 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: guy here on irc was defending beating children the other day | Feb 23 23:06 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: 'helped me' | Feb 23 23:06 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: 'now it's illegal damn it' | Feb 23 23:06 |
| schestowitz | hehe | Feb 23 23:06 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: and so it goes, forever... | Feb 23 23:06 |
| schestowitz | I like it when they say it | Feb 23 23:06 |
| schestowitz | it's funny | Feb 23 23:07 |
| schestowitz | sadistic | Feb 23 23:07 |
| schestowitz | !google hitchens pastor beat me I deserved it | Feb 23 23:07 |
| TechrightsSocial | [1] - The Hitchens Transcript -- News & Features | http://www.portlandmonthlymag.com/arts-and-entertainment/category/books-and-talks/articles/christopher-hitchens/ | Feb 23 23:07 |
| TechrightsSocial | [2] - Hitchens Watch | http://christopherhitchenswatch.blogspot.com/ | Feb 23 23:07 |
| TechrightsSocial | [3] - Et tu, Mr. Destructo?: Burn in Hell, Christopher Hitchens | http://www.mrdestructo.com/2011/12/burn-in-hell-christopher-hitchens.html | Feb 23 23:07 |
| TechrightsSocial | [4] - Christopher Hitchens, militant pundit, dies at 62 » Evansville Courier ... | http://www.courierpress.com/news/2011/dec/16/christopher-hitchens-militant-pundit-dies-62/ | Feb 23 23:07 |
| qu1j0t3 | the obvious response is, "yes, you should be able to kill your own kids if you want to. after all , they're yours; they don't belong to a nanny state" | Feb 23 23:07 |
| schestowitz | I can't find it now | Feb 23 23:07 |
| schestowitz | he debated some religious guy | Feb 23 23:07 |
| schestowitz | the panelist said he was spanked as a kid | Feb 23 23:07 |
| schestowitz | and he said that he deserved it | Feb 23 23:08 |
| schestowitz | "it all worked out for the best" | Feb 23 23:08 |
| schestowitz | the way the human mind words | Feb 23 23:08 |
| schestowitz | the failures were "a good lesson", a trajectory | Feb 23 23:08 |
| qu1j0t3 | lol, ye | Feb 23 23:09 |
| schestowitz | people are blinded to how they do this all the time | Feb 23 23:09 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm showed me a good new video about it | Feb 23 23:09 |
| schestowitz | from LCA (audtrlia) this yar | Feb 23 23:09 |
| schestowitz | worth watching http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV1iUmDVsM4 | Feb 23 23:10 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Keynote - Paul Fenwick - YouTube .::. Size~: 99.22 KB | Feb 23 23:10 |
| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Fenwick | Feb 23 23:10 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Paul Fenwick - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 57.19 KB | Feb 23 23:11 |
| schestowitz | I didn't even know who he was... | Feb 23 23:11 |
| schestowitz | oh, wrong guy... | Feb 23 23:11 |
| schestowitz | http://www.cnbc.com/id/46500872 | Feb 23 23:20 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Migrants Flock to Foxconn Jobs Despite Labor Probe - U.S. Business News - CNBC .::. Size~: 157.93 KB | Feb 23 23:20 |
| schestowitz | holy crap | Feb 23 23:20 |
| schestowitz | *that's* the news? | Feb 23 23:21 |
| qu1j0t3 | LOL | Feb 23 23:21 |
| *qu1j0t3 sighs | Feb 23 23:21 | |
| schestowitz | Can you imagine????? breaking: negros happy coming to America | Feb 23 23:21 |
| schestowitz | "The land of the free" | Feb 23 23:21 |
| qu1j0t3 | they never will understand conditions are different elsewhere | Feb 23 23:21 |
| qu1j0t3 | i found that north americans basically have a lot of trouble with the concept of hardship if they've never actually experienced it. | Feb 23 23:22 |
| schestowitz | again the justification | Feb 23 23:22 |
| qu1j0t3 | most never will | Feb 23 23:22 |
| schestowitz | "We're doing them a favour/" | Feb 23 23:22 |
| qu1j0t3 | yes. | Feb 23 23:22 |
| qu1j0t3 | "it's practically charity" | Feb 23 23:22 |
| schestowitz | Josh, let's buy another model, the 4S, then dump the 4 on some bum | Feb 23 23:22 |
| schestowitz | Gates does this a lot | Feb 23 23:22 |
| schestowitz | "Free shots" | Feb 23 23:23 |
| schestowitz | "We save lives" | Feb 23 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Free patne | Feb 23 23:23 |
| schestowitz | patents | Feb 23 23:23 |
| schestowitz | clinical trials | Feb 23 23:23 |
| schestowitz | "but they are happy" | Feb 23 23:23 |
| schestowitz | "FREE shots" | Feb 23 23:23 |
| schestowitz | let's put that patent tab on the Bill | Feb 23 23:23 |
| schestowitz | And then make a press release about "donation" | Feb 23 23:23 |
| schestowitz | Bill arranges clinic^H^H^H^HDONATES $5-0000000000000000000 worth of bogus patents) | Feb 23 23:24 |
| schestowitz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/02/23/foxconn_underage_workers/ | Feb 23 23:27 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Foxconn allegedly hid underage workers from inspectors • The Register .::. Size~: 26.82 KB | Feb 23 23:27 |
| schestowitz | notice who gets the blane | Feb 23 23:27 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: yes you can see this in the articles .. "I expected workers to be around 13 but everyone i saw was in the late teens" | Feb 23 23:27 |
| qu1j0t3 | "I'm just reporting what I saw -- being objective" | Feb 23 23:28 |
| qu1j0t3 | "I went to Iraq -- all I saw was Americans helping people" | Feb 23 23:28 |
| qu1j0t3 | "I went to Iraq and saw troops building a hospital... so the conclusion is: " | Feb 23 23:28 |
| schestowitz | the reporters get selected | Feb 23 23:30 |
| schestowitz | then steered where allowed | Feb 23 23:30 |
| schestowitz | like BP did | Feb 23 23:30 |
| schestowitz | or reporters in s american when the US was shredding it to pieces | Feb 23 23:30 |
| schestowitz | i think pilger may have spoken about these issues as well | Feb 23 23:30 |
| qu1j0t3 | yes | Feb 23 23:38 |
| qu1j0t3 | i have his older book "Distant Voices" | Feb 23 23:38 |
| schestowitz | s america? | Feb 23 23:47 |
| schestowitz | Australian, "terrorist", like Julian Assange | Feb 23 23:48 |
| qu1j0t3 | apparently | Feb 23 23:48 |
| schestowitz | you are too | Feb 23 23:51 |
| schestowitz | terrorists sympathiser you devil you | Feb 23 23:52 |
| schestowitz | they create a binary field | Feb 23 23:52 |
| schestowitz | if you're in the middle, you're with "them" | Feb 23 23:52 |
| schestowitz | or "you help them" | Feb 23 23:52 |
| schestowitz | or "you make us look bad" | Feb 23 23:52 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/dcparris/statuses/172797425495441408 | Feb 23 23:53 |
| TechrightsSocial | @dcparris: @schestowitz Actually, I would like to download my history. | Feb 23 23:53 |
| schestowitz | Google history | Feb 23 23:53 |
| schestowitz | I thought the same thing, Facebook can be demanded a copy of your secret profile, many pages worth (depending on the country) | Feb 23 23:54 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ircolle/status/172719831613837312 | Feb 23 23:55 |
| TechrightsSocial | @ircolle: Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6.2 vs. Oracle, CentOS, Scientific Linux Benchmarks http://t.co/Ku5uAWWu #gnu #linux #HPC via @schestowitz | Feb 23 23:55 |
| TechrightsSocial | -> Title: [Phoronix] Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6.2 vs. Oracle, CentOS, Scientific Linux Benchmarks .::. Size~: 19.8 KB | Feb 23 23:55 |
| schestowitz | Intel enters the software business for precompiled stuff for x86 | Feb 23 23:55 |
| qu1j0t3 | !! | Feb 23 23:56 |
| schestowitz | Intel distributes LO now | Feb 23 23:56 |
| schestowitz | OpenOffice.org, I suspect, is more stable though | Feb 23 23:56 |
| schestowitz | http://www.prwatch.org/news/2012/02/11316/wisconsin-gop-goes-after-equal-pay-equal-work | Feb 23 23:58 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Wisconsin GOP Goes After Equal Pay for Equal Work | Center for Media and Democracy .::. Size~: 49.5 KB | Feb 23 23:58 |
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