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schestowitzLOL the Lin*** folks http://omgcheesecake.net/index.php?/topic/1948-schestowitzcom/Feb 23 08:22
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/91035763Feb 23 09:48
TechrightsSocial@Jose R Rodriguez (metztli)'s status on Thursday, 23-Feb-12 09:34:00 UTC - Identi.ca: How #Greece Could Take Down Wall Street http://ur1.ca/8bljr " #Greeks are going hungry to protect a rigged $32 trillion #WS casino" #OWSFeb 23 09:48
TechrightsSocial-> Title: Ellen Brown: How Greece Could Take Down Wall Street .::. Size~: 291.37 KBFeb 23 09:48
schestowitzMinceR: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120221/03323417826/techdirt-deemed-harmful-to-minors-germany.shtmlFeb 23 09:51
TechrightsSocialTitle: Techdirt Deemed Harmful To Minors In Germany | Techdirt .::. Size~: 179.16 KBFeb 23 09:51
MinceRturrism?Feb 23 09:52
MinceRoh i see, some fascist in germany dislikes what techdirt had to sayFeb 23 09:54
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schestowitzPIRACY!!Feb 23 10:08
schestowitzNow there's a new term I saw in some siteFeb 23 10:08
schestowitz"plagiarism"Feb 23 10:08
schestowitzapparently sounds worse than piracyFeb 23 10:08
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/91037066Feb 23 10:21
TechrightsSocial@frogfall's status on Thursday, 23-Feb-12 10:11:42 UTC - Identi.ca: I guess malware always comes with popularity. Blaming OSS is a bit rich tho.Feb 23 10:21
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qu1j0t3schestowitz: http://mashable.com/2012/02/22/mike-daisey-interviewFeb 23 15:37
TechrightsSocialTitle: Apple Investigator Has His Doubts About Nightline's Foxconn Report [INTERVIEW] .::. Size~: 124 KBFeb 23 15:37
qu1j0t3schestowitz: http://mashable.com/2012/02/22/foxconnFeb 23 15:39
TechrightsSocialTitle: 10 Staggering Facts Behind Apple's Foxconn Factory .::. Size~: 129.88 KBFeb 23 15:39
schestowitzqu1j0t3: what do you make of it?Feb 23 15:45
qu1j0t3it's obviously a PR campaign.Feb 23 15:46
qu1j0t3they have the cash to put whatever they want in the mediaFeb 23 15:46
qu1j0t3also, positive spin about Foxconn benefits all the other US importersFeb 23 15:46
qu1j0t3so...Feb 23 15:46
qu1j0t3which means every pretty much US corporate, at this pointFeb 23 15:47
qu1j0t3so to run material like this is a no-brainer for CookFeb 23 15:47
qu1j0t3who organised itFeb 23 15:47
qu1j0t3they admit itFeb 23 15:47
qu1j0t3"Apple asked us to do this. Oh, and btw they have very close ties to our owner."Feb 23 15:47
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MinceRhttp://narf-archive.com/pix/aa7c24da70261a8e342e4ea334b19a8e620e99ce.jpgFeb 23 16:02
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qu1j0t3when apple executives are quoted as saying "profits over people" then there is a big problem, spin or no spin.Feb 23 16:03
qu1j0t3schestowitz: the daisey article has some interesting analysis of profit margins.Feb 23 16:03
schestowitzthey actually said explicitly;y profit over peoople?Feb 23 16:06
qu1j0t3an exec was quoted saying people don't care about chinese workers -- they care about their new ipadFeb 23 16:09
qu1j0t3or "our customers care more about getting a new ipad than chinese workers"Feb 23 16:09
qu1j0t3and now cook's come out and said "any suggestion we don't care about every worker in our supply chain is OFFENSIVE"Feb 23 16:09
qu1j0t3as if only someone unbalanced would suggest itFeb 23 16:10
qu1j0t3so yeah in one corner we have billionaire Cook, and on the other, a Chinese earning $1/hour and eyeing suicide nets.Feb 23 16:10
qu1j0t3fuck that shit.Feb 23 16:10
qu1j0t3schestowitz: these quotes are sourceable; the people-over-profit one was, i think, anonymous though.Feb 23 16:15
qu1j0t3"unnamed exec"Feb 23 16:15
qu1j0t3schestowitz: http://www.google.ca/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=tim+cook+offensive+foxconnFeb 23 16:16
TechrightsSocialTitle: tim cook offensive foxconn - Google Search .::. Size~: 143.4 KBFeb 23 16:16
MinceRapparently crApple execs think offensive things, then :>Feb 23 16:16
qu1j0t3yes, apparently they do.Feb 23 16:16
MinceRthey should get offended by themselvesFeb 23 16:16
qu1j0t3and that's a problem.Feb 23 16:16
qu1j0t3schestowitz: so, the cook 'offensive' spin is another front in the PR war.Feb 23 16:17
schestowitzdid the American channel with Apple ties do a whitewash piece there?Feb 23 16:31
schestowitzRemember what I said recently, the US folks want to justify these abusesFeb 23 16:32
schestowitz"we treat China this way because they steal from us"Feb 23 16:32
schestowitz"Black people are poor because they are not smart" < another common self-justificationFeb 23 16:32
qu1j0t3schestowitz: yes. whitewash.Feb 23 16:36
qu1j0t3schestowitz: they even say 'conditions at foxconn would never be tolerated by americans.. but this doesn't matter'Feb 23 16:36
schestowitzIt's not just an Apple issueFeb 23 16:51
schestowitzIt's an ethical issue and a globalisation  matterFeb 23 16:51
qu1j0t3schestowitz: rightFeb 23 17:03
qu1j0t3schestowitz: and apple's PR campaign is taking us backwardsFeb 23 17:03
schestowitzLet me see if I follow this line of reasoningFeb 23 17:10
schestowitzSo if Apple was to try and take people off its backFeb 23 17:10
schestowitzit would:Feb 23 17:10
schestowitz1) describe or pose this as a "they do it too" scenarioFeb 23 17:10
schestowitz2) change the vocabulary, e.g. the nets are there to "protect" them (from themselves)Feb 23 17:11
qu1j0t3that was doneFeb 23 17:11
qu1j0t3foxconn say thatFeb 23 17:11
schestowitz3) the offensive party is that which points the finger at usFeb 23 17:11
qu1j0t3tim cook said thatFeb 23 17:11
qu1j0t3on the recordFeb 23 17:11
schestowitzso that makes you and I the "poisonous" onesFeb 23 17:11
qu1j0t3yes.Feb 23 17:11
schestowitzanti-capitalistFeb 23 17:11
schestowitzand "offensive"Feb 23 17:11
schestowitzI love this old line of excuseFeb 23 17:11
schestowitz[common]Feb 23 17:11
schestowitz"If we didn't give us those jobs, they would starve"Feb 23 17:12
schestowitz"We actually do them a favour, they could so $param instead"Feb 23 17:12
schestowitz$param = drugs, prostitution are commonFeb 23 17:12
schestowitzFor ones that are hard to defendFeb 23 17:12
schestowitzme: maybe it would have been better if they just did $paramFeb 23 17:13
schestowitzApple: what are you, a pedophile?Feb 23 17:13
schestowitzor:Feb 23 17:13
schestowitzMe: Maybe getting paid less and actually having a life (no 15-hour working day) would be more rearding to themFeb 23 17:13
schestowitzApple: THey would make less money. Money comes first.Feb 23 17:14
schestowitzPR drone/counch potato: Apple is right, they do them a favour and help those people make moneyFeb 23 17:14
schestowitzAlter-ego: I wonder if jumping off this roof would actually be more rearding then working hereFeb 23 17:14
schestowitzCOmmon saying: death is the most terrible thingFeb 23 17:15
schestowitzIntelelctuals: there are worse things than death, like a void life without purpose of identityFeb 23 17:15
schestowitzChinese: we are people with feelingsFeb 23 17:15
schestowitzWesterner: they're CHinese. There's like a billion of them, who cares?Feb 23 17:16
qu1j0t3the Daisey article covers some of your pointsFeb 23 17:17
qu1j0t3'why apple'Feb 23 17:17
schestowitzwhy Apple?Feb 23 17:20
schestowitzWhy Intel?Feb 23 17:20
schestowitzWhy Nintendo?Feb 23 17:20
schestowitzWhy anyone?Feb 23 17:21
schestowitzJust forget the issue.Feb 23 17:21
qu1j0t3exactly. there's no profit in human rights.Feb 23 17:21
qu1j0t3change of subject. http://www.quora.com/Is-Microsofts-platform-prohibitively-expensive-for-large-scale-web-deployment/answer/Simon-WillisonFeb 23 17:27
TechrightsSocialTitle: Simon Willison's answer to Is Microsoft's platform prohibitively expensive for large scale web deployment? - Quora .::. Size~: 67.42 KBFeb 23 17:27
qu1j0t3good answer :DFeb 23 17:27
qu1j0t3http://www.salon.com/2012/02/23/there_is_no_ethical_smartphone/Feb 23 17:36
TechrightsSocialTitle: There is no ethical smartphone  -   Apple - Salon.com .::. Size~: 139.99 KBFeb 23 17:36
qu1j0t3'Wood’s dilemma extended far beyond the well-publicized abusive working conditions at Foxconn, the Taiwanese manufacturing giant that assembles Apple’s iPhone, along with countless other consumer electronic devices. Labor and environmental abuses are endemic throughout the global electronics industry, from the mining of the minerals used to make the basic components, through their Feb 23 17:36
qu1j0t3assembly and all the way up to (and beyond) the disposal of last year’s obsolete model. There’s no getting around the hard truth: right now, there is no such thing as an “ethical smartphone.” Feb 23 17:36
qu1j0t3'At a talk at the TED conference in 2010, founder and president Auret van Heerden made it clear that he saw multinational corporations as the only vehicle capable of ensuring lasting improvement in workplace conditions in the developing world — “the only transnational actor with real power to affect people’s lives” — something that may seem strange to those who see multinational Feb 23 17:37
qu1j0t3outsourcing and offshoring strategies as one of the major forces undermining the standards of living for workers in the developed world. (And indeed, Heerden immediately surprised and dismayed Apple’s critics by gushing about how great Foxconn’s factories were.)Feb 23 17:37
schestowitz[17:36] <TechrightsSocial> Title: There is no ethical smartphone  -   Apple - Salon.com .::. Size~: 139.99 KBFeb 23 17:45
schestowitzanswer:Feb 23 17:45
schestowitznot production in the West, it'll never flyFeb 23 17:45
schestowitzjust less consumerismFeb 23 17:45
schestowitzif you can reuse or fix something, do itFeb 23 17:45
schestowitzwould benefit planet Earth, tooFeb 23 17:46
qu1j0t3rightFeb 23 17:50
qu1j0t3that's what wasn't said. i was tempted to say that in comments.Feb 23 17:51
qu1j0t3the problem is, Reduce/Reuse/Recycle are offensive to capitalistasFeb 23 17:51
qu1j0t3"BUT THE ECONOMY"Feb 23 17:51
schestowitzWell, too bad, eh? They are judged by quartersFeb 23 17:51
schestowitzNot of a centuryFeb 23 17:51
schestowitzso if they use up all the metals, that's OK, they will have retired by the time it's all exhaustedFeb 23 17:52
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MinceRhttp://io9.com/5887014/meet-thiotimoline-the-chemical-compound-isaac-asimov-invented-to-spoof-boring-science-writingFeb 23 20:06
TechrightsSocialTitle: The fake chemical compound Isaac Asimov invented to punk science writers .::. Size~: 95.76 KBFeb 23 20:07
schestowitz> Let's make some short note public.Feb 23 20:30
schestowitzWhat type of note did you have in mind? A report addendum?Feb 23 20:30
schestowitz^^ moving on to next project perhapsFeb 23 20:30
schestowitzMinceR: https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1332944Feb 23 20:32
TechrightsSocial@atomjack@poddery.com: we need the wood ![we need the wood](http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxyqu6FDrV1r2fr72o1_500.jpg) #cross #woodFeb 23 20:32
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MinceR:)Feb 23 20:32
schestowitz"Here try this live CD " https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1333814Feb 23 20:53
TechrightsSocial@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Rank your Linux-Nerd Level  http://jeffhoogland.blogspot.com/2012/02/rank-your-linux-nerd-level.html #linuxFeb 23 20:53
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MinceRwhy would a "god" pray?Feb 23 20:55
qu1j0t3schestowitz: http://mashable.com/2012/02/23/foxconn-apple-respond-to-abc-reportFeb 23 21:45
TechrightsSocialTitle: Foxconn and Apple Respond to ABC Report .::. Size~: 136.55 KBFeb 23 21:45
schestowitzABC=>JobsFeb 23 21:51
schestowitzFoxconn is an ally of AppleFeb 23 21:51
schestowitzThe headline is all wrongFeb 23 21:51
schestowitzNOBODY ASKS THE EMPLOYEES WHAT THEY THINKFeb 23 21:51
qu1j0t3:)Feb 23 21:52
qu1j0t3schestowitz: turns out communism has nothing to do with unionisation and workers' rights after all.Feb 23 21:52
*qu1j0t3 gigglesFeb 23 21:52
schestowitzThey assume that people will fall for "Foxconn"=employees, not just board/spokespeopleFeb 23 21:52
qu1j0t3rightFeb 23 21:54
schestowitzABS speaks only to job creators, now pawnsFeb 23 22:01
schestowitzPawns have no moneyFeb 23 22:01
schestowitzHence they have not a clue, they reckonFeb 23 22:02
schestowitzThey should ask SIr Bill Gates what he thinks of this Foxconn fiascoFeb 23 22:02
schestowitzYou know, to balance things offFeb 23 22:02
qu1j0t3ohhhh did u notice, Cherie Blair is suing 'somebody' over phone hacking./Feb 23 22:02
schestowitzPC vs Mac - Gates vs JobsFeb 23 22:02
schestowitzi.e. lower class vs upper classFeb 23 22:03
schestowitzRight vs LeftFeb 23 22:03
schestowitzEvil vs GoodFeb 23 22:03
schestowitzqu1j0t3: re B'liar, he reckons that other dude is a criminal; he and his mate Rupe have got the tapes to prove it ;-)Feb 23 22:04
schestowitzqu1j0t3: Huff Po is advertising BIllFeb 23 22:26
schestowitzhttp://gateskeepers.civiblog.org/blog/_archives/2011/11/30/4949767.htmlFeb 23 22:26
TechrightsSocialTitle: Gates Keepers :: Swell biking to work at the Gates Foundation .::. Size~: 21.54 KBFeb 23 22:26
schestowitz"But when recently I accepted a position as a communications coordinator at the Gates Foundation, I knew my cushy biking days had ended. Gates has a beautiful new campus on Lower Queen Anne, just four miles from my house, but no free parking for employees. Their brand new parking garage is for the staff members who opt to pay for a spot, and for the super important people (like Bill and Melinda)."Feb 23 22:26
schestowitzHuffPoFeb 23 22:26
schestowitzYou payFeb 23 22:26
schestowitzwe make placementsFeb 23 22:26
schestowitzLike the Fox mottoFeb 23 22:26
schestowitzMelinda preaches women on their shagging habits http://psihealthylives.com/2011/11/melinda-gates-shows-support-for-family-planning.htmlFeb 23 22:27
TechrightsSocialTitle: Melinda Gates Shows Support for Family Planning | Healthy Lives .::. Size~: 25.58 KBFeb 23 22:27
schestowitz#1 ladyFeb 23 22:27
schestowitzwho, unlike lady obama, will retain this position without electionsFeb 23 22:27
qu1j0t3schestowitz: yes, HuffPo syndicated Bill for years.Feb 23 22:27
qu1j0t3schestowitz: you never noticed?Feb 23 22:27
schestowitzand continue to buy some 'awards' for credibility in this areaFeb 23 22:27
schestowitzqu1j0t3: I didn't notice, noFeb 23 22:28
qu1j0t3hahaFeb 23 22:28
qu1j0t3i used to talk about itFeb 23 22:28
schestowitzI only read it when people link to itFeb 23 22:28
qu1j0t3you must have forgottenFeb 23 22:28
schestowitzI am trying to use humour about this nowFeb 23 22:28
qu1j0t3how do you think i figured out the HuffPo plays for the wrong team?Feb 23 22:28
schestowitzI'm past the point of being serious about these criminalsFeb 23 22:28
qu1j0t3rightFeb 23 22:29
qu1j0t3you're where i was a couple of years ago :)Feb 23 22:29
schestowitzhttp://goo.gl/GC0ulFeb 23 22:29
TechrightsSocialTitle: Tell Microsoft: Stop sponsoring the Kochs' climate lies .::. Size~: 14.13 KBFeb 23 22:29
schestowitzhttp://gateskeepers.civiblog.org/blog/_archives/2011/12/2/4950906.htmlFeb 23 22:31
TechrightsSocialTitle: Gates Keepers :: Does the Gates Foundation fund Koch's climate lies? .::. Size~: 20.72 KBFeb 23 22:31
schestowitzqu1j0t3: my father thinks that moving to less developed countries permanently is a Bad Idea {tm}Feb 23 22:32
qu1j0t3.b 14Feb 23 22:32
schestowitzHe gave some compelling reasons, tooFeb 23 22:32
qu1j0t3schestowitz: LOLFeb 23 22:32
qu1j0t3schestowitz: such as?Feb 23 22:32
schestowitzIt's not the same as Gates getting off some jetFeb 23 22:32
qu1j0t3schestowitz: has he ever lived in one?Feb 23 22:32
qu1j0t3schestowitz: if not, his opinion may be worthlessFeb 23 22:32
schestowitzto touch a black kid, wash up, and hop back to KirklandFeb 23 22:32
schestowitzqu1j0t3: he hasn't, noFeb 23 22:32
qu1j0t3well....Feb 23 22:32
schestowitzhe thought about itFeb 23 22:32
schestowitzIndia for exampleFeb 23 22:33
schestowitzBut for different reasonsFeb 23 22:33
qu1j0t3schestowitz: i married someone from this background (pretty low social status); and lived in such a country for some time.Feb 23 22:33
schestowitzanyway, I decided to try in DecemberFeb 23 22:33
schestowitzand see if I like itFeb 23 22:33
qu1j0t3schestowitz: their status was low enough that canada would never, ever grant them a visa. i.e. lower middle classFeb 23 22:33
schestowitzI'll give that a go, you can only regret the things you DON'T try, they say...Feb 23 22:34
qu1j0t3schestowitz: i learned a lot about immigration through all thisFeb 23 22:34
qu1j0t3schestowitz: absolutelyFeb 23 22:34
schestowitzspent some hours with OH looking at estate sitesFeb 23 22:34
schestowitzhouses are so cheapFeb 23 22:34
schestowitzfor the money earned hereFeb 23 22:35
schestowitznot sure about safetyFeb 23 22:35
schestowitzlike, armed robberiesFeb 23 22:35
schestowitzI said, if I can continue working remotely, that would be idealFeb 23 22:35
schestowitzalmost no expenses, incoming an order of magnitude higher than thoseFeb 23 22:35
qu1j0t3i would never live in a gated communityFeb 23 22:36
schestowitzsome risks are worth takingFeb 23 22:37
schestowitzpart of interesting livesFeb 23 22:37
qu1j0t3i think so.Feb 23 22:38
qu1j0t3getting married is a 'risk' in some people's eyes.Feb 23 22:38
schestowitz"What is the Gates Foundation doing in Zimbabwe anyway?" http://gateskeepers.civiblog.org/blog/_archives/2011/12/5/4952639.htmlFeb 23 22:42
TechrightsSocialTitle: Gates Keepers :: Poor choice of site for the Gates Foundation foray into Zimbabwe .::. Size~: 22.07 KBFeb 23 22:42
schestowitzqu1j0t3: not getting married yet, but it also depends to whom anywayFeb 23 22:43
schestowitzit's very risky when you spoil someone or wed someone spoiled, then it becomes all about moneyFeb 23 22:43
schestowitzand kids tooFeb 23 22:43
schestowitzyou'd only ever hear from there when they need something, usually moneyFeb 23 22:43
schestowitzmaybe gifts - when they're very youngFeb 23 22:43
schestowitz"Health has lost a leader. Has global development gained one?" http://gateskeepers.civiblog.org/blog/_archives/2011/12/6/4953281.htmlFeb 23 22:45
TechrightsSocialTitle: Gates Keepers :: New President for Global Development at the Gates Foundation .::. Size~: 22.2 KBFeb 23 22:45
schestowitzyuck, those enthusiastic reports are clearly PRFeb 23 22:45
schestowitzNo substances in thenFeb 23 22:45
schestowitzjust sheerleadingFeb 23 22:45
qu1j0t3schestowitz: sometimes you can't predict. it's a leap of faith.Feb 23 22:47
qu1j0t3schestowitz: people drift apart.Feb 23 22:47
schestowitzThe plutocrats think they're perfectFeb 23 23:02
schestowitzunlike other peopleFeb 23 23:02
schestowitzIn my view, people have neither flaws nor imperfections. people have characteristics. If we were all impeccable, we would all be identical and thus the world would be a boring place.Feb 23 23:02
qu1j0t3to me it's more complex.Feb 23 23:03
qu1j0t3we can choose to aspire to somethingFeb 23 23:03
qu1j0t3being civilised , for example.Feb 23 23:03
qu1j0t3of course, we're a messFeb 23 23:04
qu1j0t3but we can aspire to civisationFeb 23 23:04
qu1j0t3it's not achieved anywhereFeb 23 23:04
qu1j0t3will we sacrifice for it?Feb 23 23:04
qu1j0t3will i sacrifice a new iPod for an ideal that humans should not be treated like machinesFeb 23 23:04
schestowitzsome people strive for wealth gainsFeb 23 23:04
qu1j0t3sure they doFeb 23 23:05
schestowitzit's another score to keepFeb 23 23:05
qu1j0t3we call these people 'assholes'Feb 23 23:05
schestowitzto a mage, being a warrior is not a goalFeb 23 23:05
qu1j0t3bad parenting, i guess, combined with bad cultureFeb 23 23:05
schestowitzA warrior needs no mana eitherFeb 23 23:05
schestowitznot jusy bad paentingFeb 23 23:05
schestowitzor abuseFeb 23 23:05
schestowitzexpectations of wealthFeb 23 23:05
schestowitzthe measures by which the parents assess "success"Feb 23 23:06
qu1j0t3Tiger MomFeb 23 23:06
schestowitzcompetition with aunts, uncles, cousins, etc,.Feb 23 23:06
schestowitzStatus symbolsFeb 23 23:06
qu1j0t3'imma treat u like an asshole so u get rich and look after me , gimme a comfortable old age'Feb 23 23:06
schestowitzaggregate wealth vs ethicsFeb 23 23:06
qu1j0t3then they do it to their kids, and so onFeb 23 23:06
qu1j0t3schestowitz: guy here on irc was defending beating children the other dayFeb 23 23:06
qu1j0t3schestowitz: 'helped me'Feb 23 23:06
qu1j0t3schestowitz: 'now it's illegal damn it'Feb 23 23:06
schestowitzheheFeb 23 23:06
qu1j0t3schestowitz: and so it goes, forever...Feb 23 23:06
schestowitzI like it when they say itFeb 23 23:06
schestowitzit's funnyFeb 23 23:07
schestowitzsadisticFeb 23 23:07
schestowitz!google hitchens pastor beat me I deserved itFeb 23 23:07
TechrightsSocial[1] - The Hitchens Transcript -- News & Features | http://www.portlandmonthlymag.com/arts-and-entertainment/category/books-and-talks/articles/christopher-hitchens/Feb 23 23:07
TechrightsSocial[2] - Hitchens Watch | http://christopherhitchenswatch.blogspot.com/Feb 23 23:07
TechrightsSocial[3] - Et tu, Mr. Destructo?: Burn in Hell, Christopher Hitchens | http://www.mrdestructo.com/2011/12/burn-in-hell-christopher-hitchens.htmlFeb 23 23:07
TechrightsSocial[4] - Christopher Hitchens, militant pundit, dies at 62 » Evansville Courier ... | http://www.courierpress.com/news/2011/dec/16/christopher-hitchens-militant-pundit-dies-62/Feb 23 23:07
qu1j0t3the obvious response is, "yes, you should be able to kill your own kids if you want to. after all , they're yours; they don't belong to a nanny state"Feb 23 23:07
schestowitzI can't find it nowFeb 23 23:07
schestowitzhe debated some religious guyFeb 23 23:07
schestowitzthe panelist said he was spanked as a kidFeb 23 23:07
schestowitzand he said that he deserved itFeb 23 23:08
schestowitz"it all worked out for the best"Feb 23 23:08
schestowitzthe way the human mind wordsFeb 23 23:08
schestowitzthe failures were "a good lesson", a trajectoryFeb 23 23:08
qu1j0t3lol, yeFeb 23 23:09
schestowitzpeople are blinded to how they do this all the timeFeb 23 23:09
schestowitzoiaohm showed me a good new video about itFeb 23 23:09
schestowitzfrom LCA (audtrlia) this yarFeb 23 23:09
schestowitzworth watching http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV1iUmDVsM4Feb 23 23:10
TechrightsSocialTitle: Keynote - Paul Fenwick       - YouTube .::. Size~: 99.22 KBFeb 23 23:10
schestowitzhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_FenwickFeb 23 23:10
TechrightsSocialTitle: Paul Fenwick - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 57.19 KBFeb 23 23:11
schestowitzI didn't even know who he was...Feb 23 23:11
schestowitzoh, wrong guy...Feb 23 23:11
schestowitzhttp://www.cnbc.com/id/46500872Feb 23 23:20
TechrightsSocialTitle: Migrants Flock to Foxconn Jobs Despite Labor Probe - U.S. Business News  - CNBC .::. Size~: 157.93 KBFeb 23 23:20
schestowitzholy crapFeb 23 23:20
schestowitz*that's* the news?Feb 23 23:21
qu1j0t3LOLFeb 23 23:21
*qu1j0t3 sighsFeb 23 23:21
schestowitzCan you imagine????? breaking: negros happy coming to AmericaFeb 23 23:21
schestowitz"The land of the free"Feb 23 23:21
qu1j0t3they never will understand conditions are different elsewhereFeb 23 23:21
qu1j0t3i found that north americans basically have a lot of trouble with the concept of hardship if they've never actually experienced it.Feb 23 23:22
schestowitzagain the justificationFeb 23 23:22
qu1j0t3most never willFeb 23 23:22
schestowitz"We're doing them a favour/"Feb 23 23:22
qu1j0t3yes.Feb 23 23:22
qu1j0t3"it's practically charity"Feb 23 23:22
schestowitzJosh, let's buy another model, the 4S, then dump the 4 on some bumFeb 23 23:22
schestowitzGates does this a lotFeb 23 23:22
schestowitz"Free shots"Feb 23 23:23
schestowitz"We save lives"Feb 23 23:23
schestowitzFree patneFeb 23 23:23
schestowitzpatentsFeb 23 23:23
schestowitzclinical trialsFeb 23 23:23
schestowitz"but they are happy"Feb 23 23:23
schestowitz"FREE shots"Feb 23 23:23
schestowitzlet's put that patent tab on the BillFeb 23 23:23
schestowitzAnd then make a press release about "donation"Feb 23 23:23
schestowitzBill arranges clinic^H^H^H^HDONATES $5-0000000000000000000 worth of bogus patents)Feb 23 23:24
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/02/23/foxconn_underage_workers/Feb 23 23:27
TechrightsSocialTitle: Foxconn allegedly hid underage workers from inspectors • The Register .::. Size~: 26.82 KBFeb 23 23:27
schestowitznotice who gets the blaneFeb 23 23:27
qu1j0t3schestowitz: yes you can see this in the articles .. "I expected workers to be around 13 but everyone i saw was in the late teens"Feb 23 23:27
qu1j0t3"I'm just reporting what I saw -- being objective"Feb 23 23:28
qu1j0t3"I went to Iraq -- all I saw was Americans helping people"Feb 23 23:28
qu1j0t3"I went to Iraq and saw troops building a hospital... so the conclusion is: "Feb 23 23:28
schestowitzthe reporters get selectedFeb 23 23:30
schestowitzthen steered where allowedFeb 23 23:30
schestowitzlike BP didFeb 23 23:30
schestowitzor reporters in s american when the US was shredding it to piecesFeb 23 23:30
schestowitzi think pilger may have spoken about these issues as wellFeb 23 23:30
qu1j0t3yesFeb 23 23:38
qu1j0t3i have his older book "Distant Voices"Feb 23 23:38
schestowitzs america?Feb 23 23:47
schestowitzAustralian, "terrorist", like Julian AssangeFeb 23 23:48
qu1j0t3apparentlyFeb 23 23:48
schestowitzyou are tooFeb 23 23:51
schestowitzterrorists sympathiser you devil youFeb 23 23:52
schestowitzthey create a binary fieldFeb 23 23:52
schestowitzif you're in the middle, you're with "them"Feb 23 23:52
schestowitzor "you help them"Feb 23 23:52
schestowitzor "you make us look bad"Feb 23 23:52
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/dcparris/statuses/172797425495441408Feb 23 23:53
TechrightsSocial@dcparris: @schestowitz Actually, I would like to download my history.Feb 23 23:53
schestowitzGoogle historyFeb 23 23:53
schestowitzI thought the same thing, Facebook can be demanded a copy of your secret profile, many pages worth (depending on the country)Feb 23 23:54
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ircolle/status/172719831613837312Feb 23 23:55
TechrightsSocial@ircolle: Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6.2 vs. Oracle, CentOS, Scientific Linux Benchmarks http://t.co/Ku5uAWWu #gnu #linux #HPC via @schestowitzFeb 23 23:55
TechrightsSocial-> Title: [Phoronix] Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6.2 vs. Oracle, CentOS, Scientific Linux Benchmarks .::. Size~: 19.8 KBFeb 23 23:55
schestowitzIntel enters the software business for precompiled stuff for x86Feb 23 23:55
qu1j0t3!!Feb 23 23:56
schestowitzIntel distributes LO nowFeb 23 23:56
schestowitzOpenOffice.org, I suspect, is more stable thoughFeb 23 23:56
schestowitzhttp://www.prwatch.org/news/2012/02/11316/wisconsin-gop-goes-after-equal-pay-equal-workFeb 23 23:58
TechrightsSocialTitle: Wisconsin GOP Goes After Equal Pay for Equal Work | Center for Media and Democracy .::. Size~: 49.5 KBFeb 23 23:58

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