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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @t1mdp drink nog wat water, of je graakt er morgen niet uit #protipFeb 10 00:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @ignacioanibal Felipe me ha enseñado estaFeb 10 00:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Washington Post Op-ed by @jimmy_wales & @mindspillage on #SOPA and #PIPA: "We are the media, and so are you" https://eff.org/r.1RZFeb 10 00:14
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] How To Install Appmenu For KRunner In Kubuntu http://identi.ca/url/66306216Feb 10 00:17
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Assange appeal significant for human rights says legal expert http://t.co/oDvi8TdPFeb 10 00:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] .@wikipedia founder op-ed explains that it's users, not corporate interests, who won the #SOPA #PIPA fight. https://eff.org/r.1RZFeb 10 00:22
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Government Uses Anti-Terror Laws to Crush Dissent and Help the Too Big to Fail Businesses | ZeroHedge http://goo.gl/gYhrxFeb 10 00:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Google couldn't even roll out the "new" Google bar on my machines for the last few months. And now they announce the n... http://b1t.it/aMyMFeb 10 00:24
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Dear USPTO. When a jury finds the two Eolas patents invalid - would you mind admitting your rubberstamping examination... http://b1t.it/aMyOFeb 10 00:29
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] 60 Fantastic Free #Android Apps - Datamation http://goo.gl/4S8vLFeb 10 00:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Economic Historian: '#Germany Was Biggest #Debt Transgressor of 20th Century' - SPIEGEL ONLINE http://goo.gl/wSGiyFeb 10 00:46
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] A Very Different Take On The "#Iran Barters #Gold For Food" Story | ZeroHedge http://goo.gl/uN8yTFeb 10 00:52
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scienteshows it going in here?Feb 10 01:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @quaid ♺ @ovirt: In case you missed the #oVirt 3.0 first community release announcement: http://bit.ly/xVZPdg Also: http://bit.ly/oVi ...Feb 10 01:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @sirmacik: #diaspora has pushed big update full of really cool stuff (;Feb 10 01:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] Having YA cup of originally-intended-for- @armijn #teaFeb 10 01:22
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*DaemonFC is listening to Devil By His Side by Jerry Cantrell on Boggy Depot [Amarok]Feb 10 01:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] !linuxlibre 3.2.5-libre-lemote and 3.0.20-libre-lemote binaries for !gnewsense !yeeloong now availableFeb 10 01:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Mortgage settlement is a step in the right direction http://is.gd/FVlPXw [NYT], but flawed b/c it doesn't pay victims' full losses.Feb 10 01:46
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DaemonFChttp://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120208/05014817703/canadian-muslim-who-sends-text-urging-his-employees-to-blow-away-competition-arrested-as-terror-suspect.shtmlFeb 10 01:52
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prurigrolol!Feb 10 01:53
DaemonFCBLOW THEM AWAY!!!Feb 10 01:53
DaemonFCBLOW THEM AWAY!!!Feb 10 01:53
DaemonFCPRAISE ALLAH!!!Feb 10 01:53
DaemonFCheheFeb 10 01:53
DaemonFChttp://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111227/14482217207/senator-joe-lieberman-follows-up-his-report-blog-as-terrorist-letter-asking-twitter-to-block-pro-taliban-feeds.shtmlFeb 10 01:54
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prurigrololFeb 10 01:54
prurigrothere's been a lotta that latelyFeb 10 01:54
DaemonFCthis douche almost ended up becoming Vice President of the United StatesFeb 10 01:54
prurigrohttp://www.pcworld.com/article/249052/twitter_terror_uk_pair_barred_from_united_states_over_jokey_tweet.htmlFeb 10 01:54
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DaemonFCLieberman doesn't even give lip service to the constitutionFeb 10 01:55
prurigrowhat leader does?Feb 10 01:55
DaemonFCwhenever something comes up that would allow the government to suppress free speech, he's all over it like a dog in heatFeb 10 01:55
prurigroits just something used to pump people up at ralleys these daysFeb 10 01:55
DaemonFCeven before all the others sign onFeb 10 01:55
DaemonFCJoe Lieberman is at it again. And by "it," I mean throwing around the word "terrorist" as an excuse to further sanitize the web for our "protection." Having already talked Google into allowing users to flag Youtube videos as "terrorist," Lieberman went a step further, asking for the "Report as Terrorist" option to be applied to Blogger as well.Feb 10 01:56
DaemonFCwe should all get together and report everything on Youtube and Blogger as "terrorist"Feb 10 01:56
DaemonFCas a gagFeb 10 01:56
DaemonFCmake the flag useless because it's on everythingFeb 10 01:56
prurigrospeaking of treating netzians as terrorists http://torrentfreak.com/elite-anti-terror-police-went-after-megauploads-kim-dotcom-120207/Feb 10 01:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Governo grego fecha acordo- Europa - Jornal de negócios online http://goo.gl/KA4sHFeb 10 01:57
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DaemonFCprurigro: Lieberman is not just a garden variety doucheFeb 10 02:01
DaemonFChe's a real douche's doucheFeb 10 02:01
DaemonFCeven his grin is douchy Feb 10 02:01
DaemonFC:)Feb 10 02:01
DaemonFChttp://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120209/12372417713/major-label-owned-vevo-caught-publicly-streaming-nfl-game-off-rogue-site.shtmlFeb 10 02:01
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prurigrololFeb 10 02:03
prurigrovivo eh?Feb 10 02:03
prurigroand word, yea, I find a lot of those politicians seem extra smug these days, I dunno if its just my imagination or notFeb 10 02:03
DaemonFCI'm voting in the Republican primary this year for Ron PaulFeb 10 02:07
DaemonFCwe need someone that has a track record of not being corruptFeb 10 02:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] 10 Things to do before The Economy Collapses - YouTube http://goo.gl/W1w6c #ferfal #preppersFeb 10 02:07
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brendyni thought both your parties were just as bad?Feb 10 02:08
DaemonFCas a rule of thumbFeb 10 02:09
DaemonFCthere's a couple on either side that aren't bought and paid forFeb 10 02:09
DaemonFCbut it's a rarityFeb 10 02:09
brendyni heard jill stein was good?Feb 10 02:10
DaemonFCthe green party doesn't even have ballot access in IndianaFeb 10 02:11
brendynlol, nice democracyFeb 10 02:12
prurigroDaemonFC, you know, ron paul isn't perfect-- but he's definitely the best I've seenFeb 10 02:13
DaemonFCin 2008, the Republicans were paying people in high unemployment regions of the United States, $9 an hour to go door to door getting signatures for them so they could get on ballots in all 50 statesFeb 10 02:13
prurigroworst that could happen is that he's as corrupt as everyone elseFeb 10 02:13
DaemonFCthey couldn't get volunteers so they fell back to paying people to go door to door for themFeb 10 02:13
brendyni heard that obama was a bunch nicer before he got in power but then magically changed his opinionsFeb 10 02:14
DaemonFCI knew someone who took a job going door to door shilling for McCainFeb 10 02:15
DaemonFChe just filled in a bunch of garbage on the forms they gave him and handed that back in and got paidFeb 10 02:15
DaemonFC:)Feb 10 02:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Very interesting: Sex, Assange & Sweden| Nordic News Network http://t.co/diutVZM8 (PDF) #svpol more: http://t.co/Hc6tZY41Feb 10 02:21
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DaemonFChttp://www.mesa3d.org/relnotes-8.0.htmlFeb 10 02:30
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scientesmmmm CokeFeb 10 02:57
scientes-colaFeb 10 02:57
brendynyou like that junk?Feb 10 03:01
scientesusually noFeb 10 03:02
scientesit was the peer pressure, i swearFeb 10 03:02
brendynspit it out. feel disgusted :)Feb 10 03:03
prurigrothe white man's colaFeb 10 03:05
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brendynevery mans cola really, its all over the bloody worldFeb 10 03:09
brendynif coke had a condom packed with ever can of coke they could probably single handly stop every sti ever :PFeb 10 03:10
prurigrowell back in the dayFeb 10 03:11
prurigrothey'd have coke machines on the white side of a restaurant, and pepsi on the black sideFeb 10 03:11
brendynlolFeb 10 03:11
prurigroor if there was coke on the black side, it'd be more expensiveFeb 10 03:11
prurigroso I've read, at leastFeb 10 03:12
brendynit is funny how people develop a taste for one or the other, and then engage in religous wars which is betterFeb 10 03:12
scientes<brendyn> if coke had a condom packed with ever can of coke they could probably single handly stop every sti ever :PFeb 10 03:12
scienteslolFeb 10 03:12
scientesthey could stop the human race!Feb 10 03:12
brendyntheir doing that already via the slow route of diabetiesFeb 10 03:13
*brendyn is doing great for spelling mistakesFeb 10 03:14
*scientes watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1jWe5rOu3gFeb 10 03:14
prurigroever since I found out coke has coca leaves in it, my imagination tells me I taste more quality in cokeFeb 10 03:14
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prurigroI used to like pepsi more thoughFeb 10 03:14
brendyni dont drink them at all, everFeb 10 03:14
brendyni stick with water and sometimes juiceFeb 10 03:15
brendynand teaFeb 10 03:15
scientesi've always stuck to waterFeb 10 03:15
scientesas i said, peer pressureFeb 10 03:15
brendynpeer pressure sucksFeb 10 03:15
DaemonFChttp://img856.imageshack.us/img856/4596/snapshot35.pngFeb 10 03:16
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brendyni solved it by removing the peers (hohoho)Feb 10 03:16
brendynmmm kde skins up nicelyFeb 10 03:17
prurigrobrendyn, msb would get angry at you for the fluoride intake =DFeb 10 03:17
brendynmsb?Feb 10 03:18
*XFaCE gives voice to DaemonFCFeb 10 03:18
prurigroyarFeb 10 03:19
brendynohFeb 10 03:20
prurigrohe's not a fan of fluorideFeb 10 03:24
brendynwhy?Feb 10 03:26
prurigroits toxic in large quantitiesFeb 10 03:26
brendyndon't have large quantities then?Feb 10 03:26
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brendynare their large quiantities in tap water?Feb 10 03:27
prurigroits an extremely small quantity that they say has been put in our water to kill bacteria in our mouths, and has studies suggesting tooth decay has fallen a huge amount since we threw it inFeb 10 03:28
prurigromsb thinks there might be an ulterior motive howeverFeb 10 03:28
prurigroto keep the population from reaching their potentialFeb 10 03:28
prurigroand more complacentFeb 10 03:29
brendynwell its been around for decades upon decades?Feb 10 03:29
prurigroI think since the 50sFeb 10 03:29
prurigrothere was also a city that had a lot of complaintsFeb 10 03:29
brendyni was a war movie that had itFeb 10 03:29
prurigroso they told everyone they'd put it in when they hadn'tFeb 10 03:30
prurigroand got a ton of complaints from people claiming to be ill and all these different supposed health problemsFeb 10 03:30
prurigrothen they put it in for real a month or two laterFeb 10 03:30
prurigroand had no complaintsFeb 10 03:30
prurigroapparently people were pissed off when they found out for some reason though :)Feb 10 03:30
brendynright...Feb 10 03:30
brendynis there anything scientific on this?Feb 10 03:31
prurigroabout it being bad for you?Feb 10 03:31
prurigro(in the doses we have it taken in?)Feb 10 03:31
brendynyeahFeb 10 03:31
prurigronopeFeb 10 03:31
prurigroeverything simply points to a reduction in dental problemsFeb 10 03:31
brendynwhat about the effects of large doses?Feb 10 03:32
prurigroI think it poisons you in the body (I don't believe it crosses the blood brain barrier)Feb 10 03:32
brendyn5 have denta3 *r6b3e0s btw and wtf Feb 10 03:33
brendynit appears my fn key is lockedFeb 10 03:33
prurigroen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoride_toxicityFeb 10 03:33
brendyn have no idea what buttons i pressed to make this happenFeb 10 03:34
prurigrolol, what had you meant to say?Feb 10 03:35
prurigro(my internet just died and Im on my phone now)Feb 10 03:35
brendyni have dental probles btwFeb 10 03:35
prurigrooh word- tooth decay related?Feb 10 03:35
brendynyeahFeb 10 03:36
brendynyou seem to use 'word' in strange placesFeb 10 03:36
XFaCERinse with Plax to prevent plaque!Feb 10 03:36
XFaCEBTW, don't "whitestrips" actually cause tooth damage?Feb 10 03:37
brendynturns out its just the numlock key :DFeb 10 03:37
brendynall this time and ive never bumped it beforeFeb 10 03:37
XFaCEbrendyn: It's just a substitute for "cool" or interesting or niceFeb 10 03:37
prurigrobrendyn: lol, north american slan for 'insert word here'- used similar to 'true' in new zealand (dunno if that carries to australia)Feb 10 03:37
brendynXFaCE: almostFeb 10 03:38
XFaCEOr in your case, "yikes"Feb 10 03:38
brendyni think its more like "well said"Feb 10 03:38
brendyngood lordFeb 10 03:38
brendynyikes is very differentFeb 10 03:38
XFaCE[22:34] <brendyn> i have dental probles btwFeb 10 03:38
XFaCE[22:35] <prurigro> oh word- tooth decay related?Feb 10 03:38
XFaCE<prurigro> oh [yikes[- tooth decay related?Feb 10 03:38
brendynwell this is ridiculous usageFeb 10 03:39
prurigrohaha, yikes is more of a shocked thing no?Feb 10 03:39
brendynyesFeb 10 03:40
prurigrooh true - tooth decay related?Feb 10 03:40
brendynturns out urban dictionary agrees with meFeb 10 03:40
prurigrooh shizzle - tooth decay related? (snoop dogg style)Feb 10 03:40
brendynnone of them are like wordFeb 10 03:40
prurigrobtw http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoride_toxicityFeb 10 03:41
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Fluoride toxicity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 97.01 KBFeb 10 03:41
prurigroand hmm- what does urban dic say?Feb 10 03:41
scientesthat shit is horribleFeb 10 03:41
scientesthey put in in the water in alot of placesFeb 10 03:41
prurigroI just know because of the colloquialFeb 10 03:41
prurigrouseFeb 10 03:41
prurigroscientes, ahh youre with msb then?Feb 10 03:41
*prurigro gives channel operator status to scientesFeb 10 03:41
DaemonFCprurigro: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/crackpotFeb 10 03:43
DaemonFC:)Feb 10 03:43
TechrightsBot-trTitle: crackpot - Wiktionary .::. Size~: 23.77 KBFeb 10 03:43
scientesthe flouride they put in water is not the same flouride they put on your teeth at the dentistFeb 10 03:43
prurigroDaemonFC, I really like that first definition :)Feb 10 03:44
prurigro"Time will tell whether he is a crackpot or a genius for promoting that sort of idea."Feb 10 03:44
prurigrorather, the exampleFeb 10 03:45
prurigroscientes, go on?Feb 10 03:45
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DaemonFCthey gave jono too much fluoride and he has been promoting Ubuntu ever since Feb 10 03:48
prurigrolol, poor jonoFeb 10 03:49
prurigroscientes, what's the difference between the fluoridation?Feb 10 03:49
scientesprurigro, flouridated water is basically a way to pawn off industrial waste that would otherwise cost companies lots of money.Feb 10 03:49
scientesto get rid ofFeb 10 03:49
DaemonFCfor what it's worth, I have been drinking tap water my whole life and I think the fluoride scare is promoted largely by the bottled water industryFeb 10 03:49
DaemonFCwhose product contains benzene and worseFeb 10 03:50
prurigroscientes, but what of the documented reduction in tooth care problems?Feb 10 03:50
scientesthats bull DaemonFC Feb 10 03:50
prurigrooh man, bottled water is terribleFeb 10 03:50
scientesprurigro, you can buy flouride drops at any drug storeFeb 10 03:50
scientesyou can put them on a young persons 2nd-growth teeth at night before sleepFeb 10 03:50
scientesa couple times a week, that is what I gotFeb 10 03:51
prurigroscientes, but now I don't need to-- not to mention it likely kills a lot of the potential toxins rather than needing chlorineFeb 10 03:51
DaemonFCthe stated goal of the bottled water industry is to convince people their product is safer or cleaner than tap water when it has several hundred deadly chemicals in it from the plastic bottles aloneFeb 10 03:51
scientesand the stuff you buy for teeth is a totally differn't compoundFeb 10 03:51
prurigrowell it couldn't be totalyl differentFeb 10 03:51
scientesprurigro, like the bacteria of your gutFeb 10 03:51
prurigroif it was to be called fluorideFeb 10 03:51
scientesprurigro, have you ever had metallic sodium?Feb 10 03:51
DaemonFCto say nothing of the fact that the FDA has 1 inspector that is responsible for monitoring compliance with the bottled water sources before it goes into plastic bottles which leech all those chemicals into itFeb 10 03:51
jonololFeb 10 03:52
Formic_[22:49] <scientes> prurigro, flouridated water is basically a way to pawn off industrial waste that would otherwise cost companies lots of money.Feb 10 03:52
Formic_pretty accurateFeb 10 03:52
scientesor take for example the difference between chlorophyll (green plants) and hemoglobin (red/blue blood)Feb 10 03:52
scientesor even copper blood of crabsFeb 10 03:52
DaemonFCthe EPA mandates that any source of water that serves more than 50 people has to meet certain standards, AND be tested every three months for safetyFeb 10 03:52
Formic_it was Rumsfeld that was financially involved with some of those aluminum corpsFeb 10 03:53
scientesthey are all basically the same proteinFeb 10 03:53
DaemonFCI think I trust the tap water a lot moreFeb 10 03:53
scientesbut they act totally differn'tFeb 10 03:53
prurigroscientes, I understand the point you're trying to make, but we're still not talking totally different compoundsFeb 10 03:53
scientesFormic_, thank you for backing me upFeb 10 03:53
scientesprurigro, yes we are---look up chelationFeb 10 03:53
scientestotal for example has iron filings in it---that can kill youFeb 10 03:53
DaemonFCbottled water is just a scam to take less than a penny's worth of tap water and sell it to people for $1 or more for the same amountFeb 10 03:53
Formic_actually im a bit off, Rumsfeld had financial interest in AspertameFeb 10 03:54
DaemonFCand the damage it causes to the environment from the plastic waste is hugeFeb 10 03:54
scientesif you crush up total in water, and put a magnet in it, you will see just how much iron is in totalFeb 10 03:54
Formic_a different poisonFeb 10 03:54
DaemonFCthe sooner people realize what it is, the betterFeb 10 03:54
prurigroscientes, staring at the wikipedia pageFeb 10 03:54
scientesand male have no way to get rid of excess ironFeb 10 03:54
scientesprurigro, I HAVNT EVEN LOOKED AT THAT WIKIPEDIA PAGE------EVER IN MY LIFEFeb 10 03:54
Formic_prurigro - wikipedia is not a credibal sourceFeb 10 03:54
prurigroits usually a good startFeb 10 03:54
Formic_prurigro - wikipedia is not a credible*Feb 10 03:54
prurigrousuallyFeb 10 03:54
scientesI know this cause I was part of the group that campaigned against those bastards that wanted to pawn off flouride industrial waste on my townFeb 10 03:55
Formic_no, when it comes to conspiracies its very inaccurateFeb 10 03:55
scienteswith paid signature-getters and a massive mis-information campaignFeb 10 03:55
prurigrowell this isn't supposed to be a conspiracyFeb 10 03:55
DaemonFCcompanies want to make you pay top dollar in exchange for killing you Feb 10 03:55
prurigroI thought I was looking up information on a chemicalFeb 10 03:55
DaemonFCif you want to drink bottled water, start smoking while you're at itFeb 10 03:55
prurigrowhich wikipedia is quite good forFeb 10 03:55
Formic_wikipedia has such strict rules that only a smoking gun conspiracy would be allowed on thereFeb 10 03:55
scientesI know about water problems---there is a city in this county where the cancer levels are off the roof because of runoff of pesticides for a certain fruit to kill a certain wormFeb 10 03:55
prurigrowait though, what am I supposed to be looking at?Feb 10 03:56
scientesand if you test the soil, it all is positive for DDT-originated compounds, from 30+ years ago, cause DDT never ever breaks downFeb 10 03:56
prurigrowell, I live in a city with last I checked somewhere around the second highest quality water in the worldFeb 10 03:56
scientesprurigro, have you read Silent Spring, by Rachael Carson?Feb 10 03:56
prurigronopeFeb 10 03:56
Formic_prurigro - the standard for highest quality is set by who?Feb 10 03:56
prurigrogood question-- I think it was some international committeeFeb 10 03:57
Formic_yeah, a governmentFeb 10 03:57
scientesit is credited with launching the environmental movement---and is critical for thinking about unintented consequences of technologyFeb 10 03:57
Formic_the same government that made it legalFeb 10 03:57
prurigrowhich government is that?Feb 10 03:57
scientesyou really should read Silent Spring prurigroFeb 10 03:57
Formic_for you, the canadian governmentFeb 10 03:57
Formic_with a national health service to help track the poisonous effectsFeb 10 03:57
DaemonFCthe Clean Water Act needs to be expanded, I'll admit that much, but bottled water is barely even regulated and is known to contain deadly chemicals leeched from the plastic bottles itselfFeb 10 03:57
prurigroI don't think the canadian government would have been the one doing the testing unless it was completely by flukeFeb 10 03:58
DaemonFCand it was more or less all bottled tap water to begin withFeb 10 03:58
prurigrobut the average health in this city is pretty amazingFeb 10 03:58
Formic_well you don't get a study done in Canada without grants from the canadian governmentFeb 10 03:58
Formic_if they dont like where you are going you don't get the moneyFeb 10 03:58
prurigroI believe it was one of the Nordic countries that wonFeb 10 03:58
DaemonFCthis is the price we pay for letting for profit companies raid and steal our national assetsFeb 10 03:59
Formic_such standards tests wouldn't say ottawa has the second highest if fluoride was part of what makes water badFeb 10 03:59
DaemonFCand sell it back to usFeb 10 03:59
prurigroand I don't believe toronto was very highFeb 10 03:59
Formic_toronto is 0.7ppmFeb 10 03:59
Formic_the us is averaged at 1.0ppmFeb 10 04:00
prurigrointerestingFeb 10 04:00
Formic_the places with the highest ppm have the biggest issuesFeb 10 04:00
DaemonFCif you had been paying attentionFeb 10 04:00
DaemonFCthe new recommended amount in the US is 0.7 ppmFeb 10 04:00
prurigroOttawa is .7 tooFeb 10 04:00
prurigrohttp://ottawa.ca/en/env_water/water_sewer/water_wells/quality/facts/fluoride/Feb 10 04:00
Formic_[22:57] <DaemonFC> the Clean Water Act needs to be expanded, I'll admit that much, but bottled water is barely even regulated and is known to contain deadly chemicals leeched from the plastic bottles itselfFeb 10 04:00
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Formic_yeahFeb 10 04:00
DaemonFCbut it's up to local governments to decide how much to addFeb 10 04:00
DaemonFCor if they even do it at allFeb 10 04:01
Formic_Canada did one thing good, its banning BPAFeb 10 04:01
DaemonFCsome still don'tFeb 10 04:01
scientesthe first drink of plastic, tin, or even glass, or horribleFeb 10 04:01
Formic_bisphenol A can cause birth defects and helps feminize boysFeb 10 04:01
Formic_due to xenoestrogenFeb 10 04:01
scientesbut plastic is the most scary--especially thinking of what happened with BPAFeb 10 04:01
DaemonFCbiphenol A has estrogen-like effects on the human bodyFeb 10 04:01
scientesprecisely Formic_ ^^Feb 10 04:01
DaemonFCyeahFeb 10 04:01
scientesSAY HELLO TO THE MAN-TITSFeb 10 04:02
Formic_the CBC (im surprised) did a very good documentary on BPAFeb 10 04:02
DaemonFCoh hell, that's not what causes man tits in the USFeb 10 04:02
Formic_man tits in the US is caused by McDonaldsFeb 10 04:02
DaemonFCthat would be deep fried lardburgers from fast food placesFeb 10 04:02
prurigroscientes, so you agree that plastic water is terrible?Feb 10 04:02
Formic_deep fried assholes on a stickFeb 10 04:02
DaemonFCit's all part of a plan to kill people after a life time of work, but before they can claim their Social Security checkFeb 10 04:03
scientesprurigro, its redicilous from every single possible variable, its a marketing scamFeb 10 04:03
DaemonFCthat's what all of this isFeb 10 04:03
prurigroscientes, good stuffFeb 10 04:03
scientesget a carbon filter, and no longer taste the chlorine in your waterFeb 10 04:03
Formic_23:03] <DaemonFC> it's all part of a plan to kill people after a life time of work, but before they can claim their Social Security checkFeb 10 04:03
Formic_bingoFeb 10 04:03
prurigroI dunno if any of you noticed, but bottled water typically has a single ingredient addedFeb 10 04:03
prurigrosalt-- to make you thirstier :)Feb 10 04:03
scientesand not one of those with planned breakable analagous to shaver-and-blades modelFeb 10 04:04
Formic_no governments that I'm aware of has enough money to even cover pension for everyoneFeb 10 04:04
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV1lZMTCqf8&feature=relatedFeb 10 04:04
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Formic_China had to stop using fluoride in 1983 because it caused too much dental fluorosisFeb 10 04:06
Formic_I guess not enough capitalist dentists to keep it legalFeb 10 04:06
prurigromy last blade's lasted me for about a year nowFeb 10 04:07
Formic_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ythrdCsOFJUFeb 10 04:07
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Formic_i'm an anti-dentiteFeb 10 04:07
prurigroFormic_, erm, dental fluorosis?Feb 10 04:07
Formic_prurigro - its when fluoride puts little holes in the front/back of your teethFeb 10 04:08
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prurigro"Despite claims to the contrary, the studies confirm that there is no credible scientific evidence to suggest adverse health effects related to water fluoridation."Feb 10 04:08
prurigroFormic_, sounds like they were adding too muchFeb 10 04:08
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDO6HV6xTmI&feature=fvwrelFeb 10 04:08
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Formic_yeah, because studies that prove otherwise don't get fundedFeb 10 04:08
Formic_or are written off as fringe scienceFeb 10 04:08
Formic_in science, paycheques guide studies to their conclusionsFeb 10 04:09
Formic_i might believe the studies if they didn't have corporations funding them that didn't benefit from fluoride being in the waterFeb 10 04:10
prurigrolol, well 1. empirical evidence: noone seems any worse for the wear, 2. universities do research: these are independently funded by students' tuition to a large extentFeb 10 04:10
Formic_show me an independently funded studyFeb 10 04:10
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prurigroa university funded study?Feb 10 04:10
Formic_sureFeb 10 04:10
prurigroI just happen to have access to my university's research paper libraryFeb 10 04:10
Formic_a university that doesn't receive donations from corporationsFeb 10 04:10
prurigroa university that has all research papersFeb 10 04:11
scientesprurigro, that whole idea of making that stuff propritary at all is insane and stupid and form of fraudFeb 10 04:11
prurigroscientes, which stuff?Feb 10 04:12
Formic_the amusing thing is that the answer for water is neither bottled or tap waterFeb 10 04:12
scientesuniversity papersFeb 10 04:12
Formic_poison in the plastic, poison in the tapFeb 10 04:12
Formic_I have a theory that the water used in soda has to be consistent in flavour and that they probably use filtered water.Feb 10 04:13
prurigroscientes, if they can't sustain themselves as a purchased brand, they fall into someone else's pocketFeb 10 04:13
prurigroI've thought about it, and it seems like the only way to do it in a capitalistic society like oursFeb 10 04:13
Formic_prurigro - what do you think are the effects of fluoridated water being used for showers as vapour, being inhaled and absorbed in the skinFeb 10 04:15
Formic_prurigro - there is also the big coincidence with aluminum and barium being sprayed in the atmosphere, with fluoride being something that increases aluminum absorbtionFeb 10 04:16
prurigroFormic_, showers usually wake me upFeb 10 04:16
Formic_plus, monsanto recently patented aluminum resistant seedsFeb 10 04:16
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNMOnS70vB4Feb 10 04:16
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Formic_Bill Gates is Dr Droom, Monsanto is the Legion of DoomFeb 10 04:18
Formic_the way I see it, at a minimum, dentists want people to get little holes in their teeth, and dental fluorosis is their meal ticketFeb 10 04:20
DaemonFCPoison food, Poison water, and a Microsoft PC on every fucking desktop!Feb 10 04:20
DaemonFCFuck yeah!Feb 10 04:21
Formic_my dentist said even brushing 3 times a day, you can get cavitiesFeb 10 04:21
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DaemonFCWhat the FUCK are you laughing about? Go take your fucking 500 pound 8 year old to fucking McDonalds, those bitch tits don't grow themselves you knowFeb 10 04:22
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DaemonFCpump them up with preservatives and hormones, and genetically mutated cornFeb 10 04:22
Formic_poison food, poison water and poison air, don't you forgetFeb 10 04:22
DaemonFCsome pink slime treated in ammonium hydroxide.....Feb 10 04:22
Formic_get sick? how about some poison vaccineFeb 10 04:22
Formic_depopulation isn't going to start itselfFeb 10 04:23
DaemonFCor if you're there for breakfast, get some McDonalds hash browns! Or what I like to call, semen dipped maggots in salt and ketchup!Feb 10 04:24
prurigrominimum safe level intake of fluoride 0.05 mg/kg/dayFeb 10 04:24
Formic_prurigro - source ?Feb 10 04:25
DaemonFCI dare anyone to prove scientifically, that McDonalds hash browns are not made of semen dipped maggotsFeb 10 04:25
prurigroFormic_, I'll have to export to pdfFeb 10 04:25
prurigroThe rate of prevalence of fluorosis is higher in adolescent girls and females than adolescent boys and males residing in high fluoride endemic areas.Feb 10 04:26
DaemonFCof course you'd have to get past the hundreds of chemical preservatives they mummify all their food in before you could prove WHAT it's actually made ofFeb 10 04:26
prurigro(this study is talking about fluorosis in other countries)Feb 10 04:26
prurigrotamil and south india have problems as wellFeb 10 04:26
DaemonFCat some part in this process, a cow MIGHT be involved in their hamburger meatFeb 10 04:26
Formic_im pretty sure i wont be convinced a poison is good for meFeb 10 04:27
prurigrowe're seeing if its bad for youFeb 10 04:27
prurigrowe already know it does goodFeb 10 04:27
Formic_does it kill you to have such clean teeth? ;)Feb 10 04:28
prurigrohmm, this is very interestingFeb 10 04:29
prurigrowho had talked about the killing the old people theory again?Feb 10 04:29
Formic_I also don't give a shit about my teeth if my IQ suffersFeb 10 04:29
Formic_DaemonFC brought it upFeb 10 04:29
Formic_I agree with himFeb 10 04:29
prurigroyour IQ suffers if your teeth are poor too :)Feb 10 04:30
Formic_not at allFeb 10 04:30
prurigrosomething as simple as flossing can increase your IQ by a couple of pointsFeb 10 04:30
Formic_that doesn't make senseFeb 10 04:31
Formic_any gain would be gone after you got used to doing it every dayFeb 10 04:31
Formic_if it actually did thatFeb 10 04:31
Formic_what science needs to do is one of two things for the prevention of tooth decayFeb 10 04:33
prurigroyou're looking at it from the wrong angleFeb 10 04:33
Formic_1) invent a way to kill plaque, nobody seems to really be working on thisFeb 10 04:33
prurigrowithout flossing the health of your gums is slightly reducedFeb 10 04:33
prurigroand you get microtears in the tissueFeb 10 04:33
prurigrocausing tiny amounts of blood to leak out, which bacteria grabs ontoFeb 10 04:33
Formic_2) find a way to coat teeth once matured that will prevent acid from wearing down your teethFeb 10 04:34
Formic_2 is probably closer to realityFeb 10 04:34
prurigrotravelling into your system, your immune system easily kills it off, however, your immune system is also constantly being aggravated, and the energy used to maintain this state comes from the unnecessary functions of the most energy-consuming organ in your body: your brainFeb 10 04:34
Formic_there is toothpaste that claims it helps with thisFeb 10 04:34
prurigrothey already have a coating you can getFeb 10 04:35
Formic_available to normal people and not movie stars?Feb 10 04:35
prurigroI got itFeb 10 04:35
Formic_my dentist never recommended itFeb 10 04:35
prurigroits done wondersFeb 10 04:35
Formic_do you still have to brush your teeth?Feb 10 04:36
prurigromaybe-- its hard to say, I mean, I definitely do for good breathFeb 10 04:36
prurigrobut I've skipped years of flossing without issueFeb 10 04:36
prurigrothen again, I also always seem to lack live plaque culturesFeb 10 04:36
Formic_i dont floss but i have a toothbrush that goes under the gumlineFeb 10 04:37
prurigrohttp://diastopia.tk:88/Fluoride%20in%20Drinking%20Water:%20A%20Review%20on%20the%20Status%20and%20Stress%20Effects.pdfFeb 10 04:37
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Formic_i tend to use the fluoride thats already in the waterFeb 10 04:37
prurigroyou need between the teeth tooFeb 10 04:37
prurigrothough you'll know if your gums bleed at the dentist'sFeb 10 04:37
prurigroread thatFeb 10 04:37
prurigroI feel like it'll make people on either side of the debate thinkFeb 10 04:38
Formic_the dentist never has to do much with my teeth after getting this electric oneFeb 10 04:38
prurigrothey do typically recommend electricFeb 10 04:38
Formic_I have an Oral B oneFeb 10 04:38
Formic_its really goodFeb 10 04:38
Formic_I had not been to the dentist in years and they barely had to clean at all, said my teeth were superbFeb 10 04:39
prurigroword, good stuffFeb 10 04:39
prurigrothat's pretty typical though, reallyFeb 10 04:39
prurigrothese daysFeb 10 04:39
Formic_yet I avoid toothpaste with fluoride in itFeb 10 04:39
prurigroyea, I don't use that eitherFeb 10 04:39
prurigroI feel like the stuff in the water is plentyFeb 10 04:39
Formic_yes it isFeb 10 04:39
Formic_0.7 ppm is insaneFeb 10 04:40
prurigrohaha, that seems debatableFeb 10 04:40
Formic_thats an application of toothpasteFeb 10 04:40
prurigroI mean, one million parts waterFeb 10 04:40
prurigro.7 part fluorideFeb 10 04:40
Formic_daemonfc is right about the US going down to 0.7Feb 10 04:40
Formic_but it was 1.0 like less than a year ago im pretty sureFeb 10 04:41
prurigrowordFeb 10 04:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @x11r5 i wouldn't need any time to relax is when your cover of being a villainFeb 10 04:41
DaemonFCit wasFeb 10 04:41
prurigrodid you read the abstract on that paper yet?Feb 10 04:41
prurigroscientes, you should read it too, if you're still aroundFeb 10 04:41
Formic_Im glad Canada is banning BPAFeb 10 04:41
Formic_but ironically, they don't ban exporting asbestosFeb 10 04:41
prurigrololFeb 10 04:41
prurigrowell that's themFeb 10 04:41
prurigrothis is USFeb 10 04:41
Formic_I guess as long as we're not using itFeb 10 04:41
prurigrous*Feb 10 04:42
prurigro:)Feb 10 04:42
Formic_and someone else isFeb 10 04:42
prurigrowe're pretty terrible to third world countries, just like the USFeb 10 04:42
Formic_yeahFeb 10 04:42
Formic_we started paying this eco tax on electronics, and we still ship the trash to ChinaFeb 10 04:42
Formic_nothing changed, except that we pay for it insteadFeb 10 04:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] You can relax, @x11r5 .... no villains in these here parts.... muah ha haaaa....Feb 10 04:42
DaemonFCenvironmental taxes have nothing to do with environmental protectionFeb 10 04:43
Formic_no, environmental taxes are put there to "scare people away" from harmful activitiesFeb 10 04:43
prurigrowell I'm more talking about going in and ruining cultures to steal their resources, type direction :)Feb 10 04:43
DaemonFCit's better if you remove the "environmental" part and just think of it as any other taxFeb 10 04:43
prurigroa lot of the time the environmental tax ends up hurting the environmentFeb 10 04:43
prurigrocutting down trees to plant CO2 consuming weedsFeb 10 04:44
prurigroetcFeb 10 04:44
Formic_its not there to help the environment, its to collect on the fear and make government and corps richerFeb 10 04:44
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] I recognise some Kenny Rogers lyricsFeb 10 04:44
Formic_they should be cutting down trees to replace them with young CO2 eating treesFeb 10 04:44
Formic_old trees don't do itFeb 10 04:45
DaemonFCif every inch of the Earth was covered in trees, it wouldn't put a dent in what humans are doingFeb 10 04:45
Formic_right, because they aren't even making a dentFeb 10 04:46
Formic_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eScDfYzMEEwFeb 10 04:47
TechrightsBot-trTitle: George Carlin - Saving the Planet       - YouTube .::. Size~: 130.09 KBFeb 10 04:47
DaemonFCwe need sequestration programs, where we take abandoned salt mines and throw the rich people in them, and slam the door shut and lock itFeb 10 04:47
DaemonFCB-)Feb 10 04:47
prurigromaybe those trees are necessary for important eco systems thoughFeb 10 04:47
prurigrothere are other waysFeb 10 04:47
prurigrothat are equally as dangerous, yet wouldn't take that riskFeb 10 04:47
Formic_25 species that were here today are gone tomorrowFeb 10 04:48
prurigrodue to cutting down rainforestsFeb 10 04:48
prurigrothat you want to replace with weeds :)Feb 10 04:49
Formic_regardless of human behaviorFeb 10 04:49
Formic_environmentalists don't give a shit about the planet, they just want a clean place to live, their own habitatFeb 10 04:49
Formic_the planet is fine, the people are fuckedFeb 10 04:49
prurigroenvironmentalists to a large extent are uneducated on the issues they're upset aboutFeb 10 04:50
Formic_the planet will just shake us off like a bad case of fleasFeb 10 04:50
prurigrolike the seal huntFeb 10 04:50
prurigrothose products just got banned in russiaFeb 10 04:50
Formic_perhapsFeb 10 04:50
Formic_perhapsFeb 10 04:50
prurigrothe planet might not actually be fineFeb 10 04:50
Formic_Dinosaurs discovered fossil fuels too, and the planet got pissed offFeb 10 04:50
prurigroin the short runFeb 10 04:50
prurigrowhose to say in the long runFeb 10 04:50
prurigroVenus went pretty badFeb 10 04:51
prurigroonce it naturally warmedFeb 10 04:51
Formic_Gaia! Goddess of Nature!Feb 10 04:51
prurigrodid you read that paper?Feb 10 04:51
Formic_in 2 minutes?Feb 10 04:51
Formic_LOLFeb 10 04:51
prurigrololFeb 10 04:53
prurigrokkFeb 10 04:53
prurigroI think you'll be interested when you readFeb 10 04:53
prurigroDaemonFC, you should check it out tooFeb 10 04:53
XFaCEhi msb Feb 10 04:54
Formic_Xface, right channel?Feb 10 04:54
XFaCEFormic_: err yeahFeb 10 04:54
XFaCEmsb is here...Feb 10 04:54
Formic_oh he is, didnt noticeFeb 10 04:55
Formic_he hasn't said a wordFeb 10 04:55
Formic_msb you thereFeb 10 04:56
prurigromsb, you might actually like that study too if you are here, it actually backs up your feelings on fluoride in some ways..Feb 10 04:56
brendyndinosours discovered fossil fuels, ?Feb 10 05:05
Formic_brendyn its a theoryFeb 10 05:07
Formic_CO2 levels were high back thenFeb 10 05:08
Formic_perhaps SUV's?Feb 10 05:08
brendynohFeb 10 05:08
Formic_or advanced human societies ;)Feb 10 05:08
Formic_lost city of atlantis type shitFeb 10 05:08
brendynlike the one from stargate?Feb 10 05:09
Formic_the one stargate ripped offFeb 10 05:09
brendynwhere does it originate from?Feb 10 05:09
prurigrohahaFeb 10 05:09
prurigroI dunno if its a ripoff even if it is actually historyFeb 10 05:09
Formic_even the guys who made the tv show ripped off the guys who made the movieFeb 10 05:09
brendynpretty sure the stargate one can top lightspeed, broFeb 10 05:09
prurigrodidn't they purchase the brand?Feb 10 05:09
Formic_lolFeb 10 05:09
brendynprurigro: yes its genuine proper history, where you been :P?Feb 10 05:10
Formic_MGM had a licenseFeb 10 05:10
prurigrololFeb 10 05:10
Formic_the guys who made the movie, want to make 2 more movies that have no connection to the showFeb 10 05:10
prurigroso those boxes with the moving pictures-- those are historical accounts?Feb 10 05:10
prurigroall this time!Feb 10 05:10
Formic_with Kurt RusselFeb 10 05:10
brendynyes, the teletype doesnt lieFeb 10 05:10
XFaCEI have nothing to say Daniel JacksonFeb 10 05:11
Formic_Daniel Jackson was a pussyFeb 10 05:11
Formic_Jonas Quinn could kick his assFeb 10 05:11
Formic_and had advanced DNA to back his shit upFeb 10 05:11
Formic_in real life, the guy who played Daniel Jackson was a whiney bitch tooFeb 10 05:12
Formic_he redeemed himself by sleeping with every chick on the showFeb 10 05:12
Formic_He had a real life child with his wife from SG1Feb 10 05:14
Formic_he also had one with a costar on AndromedaFeb 10 05:14
Formic_Not quite Neil Patrick Harris, but ganstaFeb 10 05:15
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prurigroFormic_, catch that article yet? ;)Feb 10 05:21
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Formic_what article?Feb 10 05:25
prurigrothe one I sent a while back that you were gonna read ;)Feb 10 05:25
prurigroabout fluorideFeb 10 05:25
Formic_the pdf?Feb 10 05:26
prurigroyarFeb 10 05:29
Formic_i downloaded itFeb 10 05:31
Formic_dont have time atmFeb 10 05:31
prurigrohaha wordFeb 10 05:33
prurigroits a quick read, the abstract says it allFeb 10 05:33
Formic_busy reading about thermite and its role in the 9/11 attacksFeb 10 05:34
brendynprurigro: do you have ssl working with your znc?Feb 10 05:34
Formic_though I think that project bluebeam was really used to make hologram planesFeb 10 05:34
prurigrobrendyn, yupFeb 10 05:34
brendyncan you teach me?Feb 10 05:35
Formic_there were no planes, it was a visual illusionFeb 10 05:35
brendyndo i need to make a key or anything?Feb 10 05:35
prurigroumm, do you have a domain?Feb 10 05:35
brendyni get tls handshake failedFeb 10 05:35
brendynyesFeb 10 05:35
prurigrowhat's the ending?Feb 10 05:35
brendynthe tld?Feb 10 05:35
Formic_ "/server localhost username:password"Feb 10 05:36
brendyn.meFeb 10 05:36
prurigrowordFeb 10 05:37
prurigrostartssl.comFeb 10 05:37
prurigroFormic_, ?Feb 10 05:37
brendyn0.oFeb 10 05:38
brendynwhats this all about?Feb 10 05:39
Formic_oh SSLFeb 10 05:41
prurigrobrendyn, sorryFeb 10 05:47
DaemonFCuuuggghFeb 10 05:47
DaemonFCApple LosslessFeb 10 05:47
DaemonFCI don't care if it is free software nowFeb 10 05:47
DaemonFCI cringe whenever I see itFeb 10 05:47
prurigrothis'll give you an official certificate for free, so you don't get ssl errors every time anyone tries to connect to your stuff, and so you don't need to generate one on your ownFeb 10 05:47
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prurigroDaemonFC, haha, yea, I can't think of anything I have against apple lossless, but I always wonder why someone wouldn't use flacFeb 10 05:48
Formic_daemonfc - why, just convert it to flacFeb 10 05:48
Formic_prurigro - if you own an ipodFeb 10 05:49
prurigroFormic_, vlc runs em nicely-- though I'll admit, typically I just go smaller format or streamFeb 10 05:50
Formic_not as nicely as the built inFeb 10 05:50
brendynDaemonFC: whats with it?Feb 10 05:51
Formic_vlc requires a jailbreak which some users are scared to do, its easy enough but doesn't fit allFeb 10 05:51
Formic_I'm happy people use apple lossless, at least it isn't mp3Feb 10 05:51
Formic_it should work for apple users and linux users perfectlyFeb 10 05:52
DaemonFCapple lossless doesn't compress as well as FLACFeb 10 05:52
DaemonFCit takes more CPU time to decodeFeb 10 05:52
DaemonFCand it was proprietary software until last yearFeb 10 05:52
Formic_thats fine but then you loss that whole group of people with the most popular music player that also happens to be lacking flac supportFeb 10 05:52
DaemonFCthe extra step of converting it to FLAC is obnoxiousFeb 10 05:52
brendynwhats the point of it then if it doesnt help apples lock-in?Feb 10 05:53
Formic_its an open source format, usable by anyoneFeb 10 05:53
DaemonFCnothing from Apple actually plays FLAC unless you replace the firmware with something decent like RockboxFeb 10 05:53
Formic_daemonfc - you can jailbreak the iOS based ones and use vlcFeb 10 05:54
prurigroDaemonFC, you're also losing quality when you convert to flacFeb 10 05:54
DaemonFCthat's the only reason someone might use apple lossless, they made poor hardware buying decisionsFeb 10 05:54
DaemonFC;)Feb 10 05:54
Formic_nothing wrong with at least the ipod touchFeb 10 05:54
Formic_the iOS ones are fineFeb 10 05:54
brendynwhat quality is lost?Feb 10 05:55
Formic_losslessFeb 10 05:55
DaemonFCthis isn't even Apple losslessFeb 10 05:55
Formic_no quality is lost other than issues caused by your driveFeb 10 05:55
DaemonFCstupid fucksFeb 10 05:55
DaemonFCit's AIFFFeb 10 05:55
Formic_not ALAC?Feb 10 05:55
Formic_lolFeb 10 05:55
Formic_sounds like an mp3 to flac conversionFeb 10 05:56
brendynFormic_: no, prurigro said somethin is lost when its convertedFeb 10 05:56
brendynfrom flacFeb 10 05:56
DaemonFCAIFF is just PCM audio, like WAVFeb 10 05:56
Formic_nopeFeb 10 05:56
Formic_flac and alac are both lossless, nothing is lostFeb 10 05:56
DaemonFCApple is given credit for it, but it was actually created by SGIFeb 10 05:56
brendyni knowFeb 10 05:56
Formic_it would be like converting bmp to png and backFeb 10 05:56
brendynmaybe its not quite that simpleFeb 10 05:57
brendynprurigro: ?Feb 10 05:57
Formic_do you lose anything converting from rar to zip?Feb 10 05:57
DaemonFCApple changed AIFF recentlyFeb 10 05:57
brendynFormic_: settle downFeb 10 05:57
Formic_losslessFeb 10 05:57
DaemonFCit used to be big endian, they changed it to little endianFeb 10 05:57
DaemonFCboth versions use the aiff extensionFeb 10 05:58
DaemonFCany decent multimedia framework will play bothFeb 10 05:58
brendyni understandFeb 10 05:58
Formic_alac, flac, bmp, png, zip, rar, 7z, bz2, tar, etc are all lossless compression formatsFeb 10 05:58
DaemonFCso naturally, older versions of OS X don't understand the new filesFeb 10 05:58
brendynFormic_: i know. please stopFeb 10 05:58
DaemonFC(which are silently converted when you import them into iTunes on OS X 10.5Feb 10 05:58
Formic_DaemonFC (which you can silently turn off)Feb 10 05:58
DaemonFCRAR is not losslessFeb 10 05:59
DaemonFCyou lose your freedom when you use RARFeb 10 05:59
Formic_...Feb 10 05:59
brendyngood pointFeb 10 05:59
Formic_lolFeb 10 05:59
Formic_im perfectly free to compile a free unextractor with my free compilerFeb 10 05:59
brendyntar isnt a compression formatFeb 10 05:59
Formic_what's the problemFeb 10 05:59
Formic_archive formatFeb 10 05:59
prurigroyoFeb 10 05:59
prurigrolets find outFeb 10 06:00
DaemonFCtar.lzma or 7zip with LZMA are usually the right choiceFeb 10 06:00
DaemonFCXZ is generally a bad choiceFeb 10 06:00
brendynwhy?Feb 10 06:00
Formic_lets find out what is mathematically impossible!Feb 10 06:00
DaemonFCway too much CPU time to compress or decompressFeb 10 06:00
brendyni used lrzip a little bitFeb 10 06:00
DaemonFCand the ratio is not much better than lzmaFeb 10 06:00
prurigroop, there you go- lossless to lossless is the exception, Formic_ is correctFeb 10 06:00
prurigroits simply a painFeb 10 06:00
DaemonFCbz2 is a pain in the ass tooFeb 10 06:01
prurigrohaving to reach for the jFeb 10 06:01
Formic_bz2 is at least fastFeb 10 06:01
prurigroI like xzFeb 10 06:01
prurigrobetter compressionFeb 10 06:01
prurigronot too much difference in timeFeb 10 06:01
Formic_better than 7z?Feb 10 06:02
brendynare there a super duper conclusive compression benchmark statistics somewhere?Feb 10 06:02
Formic_7z supports lzma and lzma2Feb 10 06:03
brendynand passwordsFeb 10 06:04
DaemonFCthen again, these AIFF files are a bit smallFeb 10 06:04
DaemonFCcan you stuff alac into aiff?Feb 10 06:04
prurigroapparently xz is the best, but lets tryFeb 10 06:05
Formic_.xz and .7z should be the sameFeb 10 06:05
Formic_both are lzma2Feb 10 06:05
DaemonFCwhy can't people do the right thing?Feb 10 06:05
Formic_.xz supports only one file thoughFeb 10 06:06
Formic_hence tar.xzFeb 10 06:06
DaemonFCsplit tracks, FLAC, with CUE file for people who want to burn an exact copyFeb 10 06:06
Formic_.CUE?Feb 10 06:06
Formic_fuck that shitFeb 10 06:06
Formic_figure it out yourselfFeb 10 06:06
Formic_I'm not supporting CDRWIN by advocating .CUEFeb 10 06:07
prurigroFormic_, 7z is betterFeb 10 06:07
brendynhuh?Feb 10 06:07
prurigroat least for a folder of source codeFeb 10 06:07
brendynmicrosoft uses 7z :pFeb 10 06:07
Formic_everyone who is smart uses 7z or xzFeb 10 06:07
prurigrodid they invent it?Feb 10 06:08
brendyndunnoFeb 10 06:08
Formic_http://7-zip.org/Feb 10 06:08
TechrightsBot-trTitle: 7-Zip .::. Size~: 9.14 KBFeb 10 06:08
DaemonFCoh and tagsFeb 10 06:08
DaemonFCfucking tag your shitFeb 10 06:08
DaemonFCjesusFeb 10 06:08
DaemonFCB-)Feb 10 06:08
Formic_alac supports album artFeb 10 06:08
DaemonFCso does FLACFeb 10 06:09
DaemonFCso does VorbisFeb 10 06:09
DaemonFCactually, Vorbis Comment does, which is used by bothFeb 10 06:09
Formic_hmm never seen anyFeb 10 06:09
DaemonFCmost people don't do itFeb 10 06:09
DaemonFCbut you can do itFeb 10 06:09
prurigroDaemonFC, I am also OCD about tags :)Feb 10 06:09
brendynalbum art embeded in each file is kinda ickyFeb 10 06:10
Formic_a song is already 50mbFeb 10 06:10
DaemonFCright, it bloats the filesFeb 10 06:10
DaemonFCif you're talking FLAC, it doesn't make much difference thoughFeb 10 06:10
DaemonFCmost players know what folder.jpg is thoughFeb 10 06:10
Formic_so it goes from 50mb to 51mbFeb 10 06:10
DaemonFCMTP can also store album artFeb 10 06:11
DaemonFCbut it's MTP, yuckFeb 10 06:11
Formic_I converted 562 flac to alac in about 15 minutesFeb 10 06:12
Formic_4 cores, a song per coreFeb 10 06:13
brendynhttp://ck.kolivas.org/apps/lrzip/README.benchmarksFeb 10 06:13
TechrightsBot-trNot a web page! Aborting text/plain typeFeb 10 06:13
DaemonFCI've used AIFF before for rips, but it was on an IRIX systemFeb 10 06:14
brendynapparently similar to 7z with default settings but faster do to threadingFeb 10 06:14
brendyndueFeb 10 06:14
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DaemonFChttp://www.cbsnews.com/2300-504083_162-5747894.html?tag=contentAux;cbsPostCarouselFeb 10 06:25
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Mo. teen gets life in prison for murder of 9-year-old girl Pictures - CBS News .::. Size~: 33.47 KBFeb 10 06:25
DaemonFCWhen emos attackFeb 10 06:25
brendyni read that the other dayFeb 10 06:27
brendynyour missing out tooFeb 10 06:27
brendynthat one doesnt seem to have her diary entryFeb 10 06:27
brendynhttp://www.theweek.co.uk/world-news/45092/it-was-ahmazing-wrote-teen-after-stabbing-girl-death DaemonFC Feb 10 06:30
TechrightsBot-trTitle: 'It was ahmazing' wrote teen after stabbing girl to death|  News | The Week UK .::. Size~: 90.72 KBFeb 10 06:30
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Formic_mmm deep fried bandaid doritosFeb 10 06:57
*DaemonFC is listening to You by Switchfoot on The Legend of Chin [Amarok]Feb 10 06:58
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prurigroL Ron, you've failed me!Feb 10 07:09
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DaemonFCnot the blessed hubbard?Feb 10 07:17
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brendynsomeone famous had their messages listened to by someone else. they called it "phone hacking"Feb 10 07:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @pmkovacs2 Daily 360 is out! http://www.ur1.ca/830in ▸ Top stories today via @crowdsourcing_ @icdk @laurelrusswurmFeb 10 07:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Bucharest’s blues http://ur1.ca/830ki #romania #bucharest #politics #europeFeb 10 07:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] !Tzag Identizens.Feb 10 07:29
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prurigroword, did you all get that message?Feb 10 07:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] unfortunately Hollywood *is* paying attention @wilw, and trying to legislate backward time travel #TPP #ACTA #SOPA #PIPA !C11 #DEActFeb 10 07:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Conservative home website is telling government to change NHS reforms. Not because they think it is wrong to hand NHS over to private ..Feb 10 07:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] .. vulture medical companies but as it is unpopular. #SavetheNHS.Feb 10 07:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] !tzag and good morning @satiperaFeb 10 07:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ACTA scoate în stradă, sâmbătă, peste 70.000 de protestatari http://ur1.ca/830tq #acta #internet #web #politics #romania #censorshipFeb 10 07:37
brendynnup?Feb 10 07:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[freenodestaff/@freenodestaff] Good morning! We're currently experiencing issues due to a DOS attack, and are working with our sponsors to rectify the issue. !freenodeFeb 10 07:41
DaemonFCI might make a pot of coffeeFeb 10 07:42
*DaemonFC really should sleep, but...oh wellFeb 10 07:42
DaemonFC:)Feb 10 07:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Harsh IMF approach courts disaster in Romania http://ur1.ca/830yf #romania #reuters #imf #economy #bucharest #politicsFeb 10 07:42
brendynhow many weeks have you been awake for?Feb 10 07:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] And a good morning to @Skpl and @Coyo.Feb 10 07:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] I have learned in the last week that there is a certain masochistic pleasure in pottering about in the command line. Even at my level ..Feb 10 07:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] .. of knowledge.Feb 10 07:46
prurigrofreenode is getting DDoS'dFeb 10 07:48
brendyni got the memoFeb 10 07:48
brendynim still trying to work out this ssl crapFeb 10 07:48
prurigroDaemonFC, do you sleep for days when you finally do?Feb 10 07:48
prurigrobrendyn, did you get startssl?Feb 10 07:48
brendyni had no idea what that wasFeb 10 07:49
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DaemonFC[02:42:10] * Callek looks for our mac usersFeb 10 07:50
DaemonFC[02:42:21] <Callek> (specifically the one(s) who can compile)Feb 10 07:50
DaemonFC[02:43:44] <DaemonFC> well, you can probably save yourself the trouble and just give upFeb 10 07:50
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DaemonFCblagh!Feb 10 07:51
DaemonFC[02:49:56] <Callek> DaemonFC: you'd be surprisedFeb 10 07:51
DaemonFC[02:50:12] <Callek> the problem is *I* don't have a mac, so my actual ability to test mac patches is slimFeb 10 07:51
DaemonFC[02:51:09] --> shedammit has joined this channel (shedammit@moz-A95F12B1.members.linode.com).Feb 10 07:51
DaemonFC[02:51:14] <DaemonFC> so if they are no good as testers and can't be bothered to compile source code, they're not worth having as users (of course that's my completely subjective opinion)Feb 10 07:51
DaemonFC[02:51:23] <DaemonFC> (and it probably covers most Windows users too)Feb 10 07:51
brendynwhat does it do?Feb 10 07:52
brendynstarsslFeb 10 07:53
DaemonFCstartcom ssl?Feb 10 07:53
brendynstartssl.comFeb 10 07:53
prurigrobrendyn, startssl gives you your certsFeb 10 07:54
prurigroand registers them as a trusted authorityFeb 10 07:54
prurigroand its the only one that does the basic end of this service for freeFeb 10 07:54
prurigroif you generate your own, everything will complain when you attempt to visit your site using httpsFeb 10 07:55
DaemonFCtheir basic certificates (class 3) are freeFeb 10 07:55
DaemonFCI have oneFeb 10 07:55
prurigroword, =DFeb 10 07:55
DaemonFCthey also have reasonable prices on higher trust certificates Feb 10 07:55
DaemonFCan EV certificate lets you sign kernel modules for Windows btwFeb 10 07:56
DaemonFCjust in case anyone was wonderingFeb 10 07:56
DaemonFCthose are $140 from StartcomFeb 10 07:56
DaemonFCand $200 from VerisignFeb 10 07:56
prurigrooh wordFeb 10 07:59
prurigrojust like that?Feb 10 07:59
DaemonFCyeahFeb 10 07:59
DaemonFCyou can sign kernel modules and Windows will load themFeb 10 07:59
DaemonFCas long as you have an EV certificate from a certificate authority that Windows recognizesFeb 10 08:00
DaemonFCStartcom is one of themFeb 10 08:00
prurigroso its all a matter of paying?Feb 10 08:00
prurigroI figured there'd be some kinda code checkFeb 10 08:00
DaemonFCnopeFeb 10 08:00
DaemonFCyou c an sign something that's totally malicious and Windows will load itFeb 10 08:01
DaemonFC:)Feb 10 08:01
prurigrololFeb 10 08:01
prurigrowhat's the point of thatFeb 10 08:01
DaemonFCthe certificate can be revoked, Windows can be updated to distrust that certificate, and the extended validation theoretically identifies you personally so they know who to send law enforcement afterFeb 10 08:02
brendyni dont understand why i need to give all my personal details to these people just to use znc with sslFeb 10 08:02
prurigrobrendyn, you can use the certs with any service on your linodeFeb 10 08:02
prurigrohttpsFeb 10 08:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Miliţia online a PDL, prinsă în flagrant delict http://ur1.ca/8317o #romania #revolutie #politics #pdl #uslFeb 10 08:02
prurigrossl encrypted email via imapFeb 10 08:03
brendynif i get them from startssl doesnt it mean that have the private key too?Feb 10 08:03
DaemonFCin practice, Windows has so many security problems that it's easier for malware writers  to exploit a hole to gain kernel access than it is to try to sign something Feb 10 08:03
brendynthey are demanding my personal details thoughFeb 10 08:03
prurigrobrendyn, they're the 'trusted authority'Feb 10 08:03
brendyni dont even know themFeb 10 08:04
prurigroif they give out a key, they stop being trusted and their business failsFeb 10 08:04
prurigrothey're pretty defacto due to their free plansFeb 10 08:04
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brendynseems like a bad ideaFeb 10 08:04
DaemonFCkernel code signing is just a roadblock (and a paywall) for legitimate kernel module developersFeb 10 08:04
DaemonFCalso, feel good crapFeb 10 08:05
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DaemonFCthere's another feel good crap, paywall, roadblock called Windows Hardware Quality Labs CertificationFeb 10 08:05
DaemonFCtechnically if you have too many driver crashes, you can get your WHQL certification yanked by Microsoft and get kicked out of Windows Update, but they never do itFeb 10 08:06
prurigrobrendyn, if you're not comfortable with your personal information, put fake information or leave info out if you're allowedFeb 10 08:06
DaemonFClook how many crashes that kernel modules with WHQL certification from Windows Update causeFeb 10 08:06
prurigroDaemonFC, yea, a paywall is what it feels like-- I guess the idea is that someone making a hack could be traced back to this way too?Feb 10 08:06
DaemonFCthey almost never remove the certification and give you the boot from WIndows Update unless you've compromised their DRM or product activationFeb 10 08:07
DaemonFCthere's enough ways into the kernel that code signing isn't going to stop a single malware writerFeb 10 08:08
DaemonFCmalware will simply ram its way in no matter how it has to do itFeb 10 08:08
prurigroDaemonFC, not to mention that nothing is signed these days, so everyone's used to clicking 'next, next'Feb 10 08:08
DaemonFClegitimate kernel module writers have to dick around with signing their codeFeb 10 08:08
DaemonFCwell, userspace software doesnt have to be signedFeb 10 08:09
DaemonFCWindows will warn the user that it came from ZOMGTHEINTERNETZOMGFeb 10 08:09
prurigrobrendyn, just make sure your domain is correct-- that's the part you wanna lock inFeb 10 08:09
DaemonFCbut that's the one where burnout has taken effect and users click NEXT NEXT NEXTFeb 10 08:10
DaemonFCbecause it has been doing that since XP SP2Feb 10 08:10
prurigroDaemonFC, yea, if you don't make a proper system, where all trusted stuff will also register and fly right through, then its basically useless, tooFeb 10 08:10
DaemonFCkernel module that are unsigned will display a rather scary warning message on 32-bit WindowsFeb 10 08:10
DaemonFCbut 64-bit Windows will refuse to load them at allFeb 10 08:10
DaemonFCMicrosoft would have provided more security by removing the Alternate Data Streams from NTFS completelyFeb 10 08:12
DaemonFCthat's what they're using to mark where a file came fromFeb 10 08:12
DaemonFCbut malware likes to hide in themFeb 10 08:12
DaemonFCbecause the user only sees the file they want to run, not the malicious software that is piggybacked on it and cloaked by an alternate data streamFeb 10 08:13
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DaemonFChttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fork_%28file_system%29Feb 10 08:14
DaemonFCnothing like this exists in Linux file systemsFeb 10 08:15
DaemonFCand for good reasonFeb 10 08:15
DaemonFCthey're dangerousFeb 10 08:15
prurigroerm, my dad's 64bit systemFeb 10 08:15
prurigroaccepted unsigned driversFeb 10 08:15
DaemonFCMicrosoft uses data stream forks in NTFS for metadata when they were designed to be used for dataFeb 10 08:15
DaemonFCthe closest thing Linux file systems have are extended attributesFeb 10 08:15
DaemonFCwhich were designed for metadataFeb 10 08:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] !KDE #PIM meeting here I come... this will be fun. http://is.gd/QDWgvJFeb 10 08:16
DaemonFCprurigro: starting with Vista x64, signing was mandatoryFeb 10 08:17
DaemonFCit wasn't on XP x64Feb 10 08:17
prurigrothis is 7 x64Feb 10 08:17
prurigroI'm trying to remember what the driver was for...Feb 10 08:17
DaemonFChmmmFeb 10 08:17
prurigrowell, I know at leastFeb 10 08:19
prurigrothat I installed the virtualbox tools on a 64bit copy of 7Feb 10 08:19
prurigrothe other dayFeb 10 08:19
prurigroin a VMFeb 10 08:19
prurigroit came up with the unsigned warning, and I clicked throughFeb 10 08:19
DaemonFCoddFeb 10 08:21
DaemonFCnot only that it let you, but that Oracle couldn't be bothered to sign itFeb 10 08:22
prurigrodoes it last for a year or two like certs?Feb 10 08:24
scienteswhere is 1 and 9 on a 9 pin COM/serial port?Feb 10 08:26
prurigroI'd guess bottom left and top rightFeb 10 08:27
prurigrobut I don't actually know :)Feb 10 08:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] congrats :) great to see plasmoids like this getting written, and glad you found the process rewarding too!Feb 10 08:27
scientesargggggFeb 10 08:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] blogged⇒ Double Standard: Bill C-11 http://www.ur1.ca/831rz !copyright !CDNpoli !CanadaFeb 10 08:27
scientesthere is nothing in wikipediaFeb 10 08:28
scienteseverything else, but the numbering schemeFeb 10 08:28
prurigrowhoops, top left and rightFeb 10 08:28
scienteswhich makes all these pinout diagrams totally uselessFeb 10 08:28
prurigrohmmFeb 10 08:28
prurigroI wonder if I have any notesFeb 10 08:28
prurigroon the matterFeb 10 08:28
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prurigroohh, pdfgrep sounds like a fun utilFeb 10 08:29
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prurigroscientes, still there?Feb 10 08:32
scientesyepFeb 10 08:33
prurigrohttp://diastopia.tk:88/serial.pngFeb 10 08:33
prurigrothat help?Feb 10 08:33
scientesvery much prurigro Feb 10 08:33
prurigro:)Feb 10 08:33
scientesthank you alotFeb 10 08:33
prurigrono probFeb 10 08:33
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scienteswould a RCA cable be a suitable one for connecting (i only need 2 of the serial portr wires)Feb 10 08:45
scientesand how should i connect to that port when i don't have a plug for itFeb 10 08:45
prurigrowhat exactly are you doing?Feb 10 08:45
scienteshooking up a GPS and AIS recieverFeb 10 08:45
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prurigrooh word-- interesting, I don't know much about cables, but it seems to me that if its the correct style of cable, it doesn't matter if it was pulled out of a bigger one?Feb 10 08:45
DaemonFCfor a cruise missileFeb 10 08:45
*DaemonFC hits his Senator Lieberman approved Report Terrorist buttonFeb 10 08:45
prurigrohttp://monoprice.com/ has a lot of cable connection type partsFeb 10 08:45
prurigrofor a consumer siteFeb 10 08:45
prurigromight be worth getting the correct hookupFeb 10 08:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Analişti Reuters: Abordarea dură a FMI poate fi dezastruoasă în România http://ur1.ca/832m4 #romania #imf #fmi #economie #revolutieFeb 10 08:54
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Humble Indie Bundle now available for !Android cc @eebrah @manu254 @kelzokoFeb 10 08:59
DaemonFCwork on Banshee has slowed down a lotFeb 10 09:00
scientesthe GPS is pretty hot but the AIS is prooving to be a pain in the adssFeb 10 09:02
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DaemonFChttp://www.clementine-player.org/downloadsFeb 10 09:02
DaemonFCClementine 1.0 is outFeb 10 09:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] How can you not to subscribe to someone with an ID like @madgoldfish? How? #ff #statusnetFeb 10 09:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Time for a bacon banjo.Feb 10 09:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Presa germană, despre Guvernul Ungureanu: Teatru absurd la București http://ur1.ca/832sg #romania #germany #bucharest #politics #economyFeb 10 09:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] #debian and derived !gnu #linux users can use "reportbug -k" to participate in #ilovefs http://ur1.ca/832pk !fsfe !fsFeb 10 09:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Nach dem Rücktritt von Rumäniens Premier Geheimdienstchef soll Regierungschef werden http://ur1.ca/832un #romania #germany #politicsFeb 10 09:04
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Rumänien: Absurdes Theater in Bukarest http://ur1.ca/832wt #romania #germany #politicsFeb 10 09:07
*DaemonFC is listening to Free by Switchfoot on Hello Hurricane [Amarok]Feb 10 09:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] U Washington's best-of-breed 3D printing lab shuts down knowledge sharing after admin introduces patent-grab - http://bit.ly/yG8csZ twitsFeb 10 09:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Yes! This! You decide :-) http://ur1.ca/832ysFeb 10 09:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] RT @kirschner #debian and derived !gnu #linux users can use "reportbug -k" to participate in #ilovefs http://ur1.ca/832pk !fsfe !fsFeb 10 09:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Usiniletee na usinibebee, psshhht. msheew!Feb 10 09:11
DaemonFCohhhhFeb 10 09:11
*DaemonFC likes the new ClementineFeb 10 09:11
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prurigroDaemonFC, good?Feb 10 09:12
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DaemonFCyeahFeb 10 09:13
DaemonFChmmmFeb 10 09:14
DaemonFCKopete sees what Clementine is playingFeb 10 09:14
DaemonFCbut Konversation doesn'tFeb 10 09:14
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Bro to Cuz: Bado uko Kahawa? Keja yako haiku sink?Feb 10 09:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Bro: Form ni gani,sasa? Cuz: 2 ama 3Feb 10 09:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @glynmoody U Washington's best-of-breed 3D printing lab shuts down knowledge sharing after admin introduces patent-grab - http://bit. ...Feb 10 09:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] "Just got to 5000 signatures at http://ur1.ca/7nq6p and not long ago the number of mathematicians passed 1000" - http://ur1.ca/8337j yayFeb 10 09:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @nj3ma How can you not to subscribe to someone with an ID like @madgoldfish? How? #ff #statusnetFeb 10 09:16
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @nj3ma Humble Indie Bundle now available for !Android cc @eebrah @manu254 @kelzokoFeb 10 09:17
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @nj3ma I bought the #HumbleIndieBundle (because angry birds is boring) and now I wonder if will work when replace Android with CyanogenFeb 10 09:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] This is why asylums exist >> RT @Dennismungai A pounding in Salem #PornTitlesWeShouldSeeIn2012Feb 10 09:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @sandersch @jwildeboer Luckily there isn't a Debian one where he pulls up his kilt to show his tattoo.Feb 10 09:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Nevada police beat the hell out of man immobilized with diabetic shock, screaming "Do not resist, motherfucker!" - http://bit.ly/wCrlrRFeb 10 09:30
DaemonFChttp://img833.imageshack.us/img833/953/snapshot37q.pngFeb 10 09:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] Reviewing a presentation titled "Understanding open source". It's a .pptx file. Sigh.Feb 10 09:30
MinceRgeekingsFeb 10 09:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] Google will swap you a box of crisps for your online privacy http://ur1.ca/833kbFeb 10 09:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Economist debate on #sharing - http://bit.ly/zbGyWl short summary of why we share by @jeffjarvisFeb 10 09:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] K Wachira na Alternate entertainment will be at The Office, M-Road today from 5. Mpango umejipa nini? @kelzoko @perpetuahsugarFeb 10 09:30
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DaemonFCAnother glorious day in the People's Democratic People's Republic of Hungaristan?Feb 10 09:31
DaemonFCWhere there is no unemployment and the streets are paved with goldFeb 10 09:32
MinceRyesFeb 10 09:32
MinceRyou forgot a couple of "national"s, thoughFeb 10 09:33
DaemonFCAnother glorious day in the People's National Democratic National People's National Socialist Democratic National Socialist Republic of Hungaristan?Feb 10 09:34
DaemonFC(named by the coalition government)Feb 10 09:35
DaemonFC:)Feb 10 09:35
MinceR:)Feb 10 09:35
MinceRthat's more accurateFeb 10 09:35
DaemonFCall other countries have inferior potassium Feb 10 09:35
MinceR:DFeb 10 09:36
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pv5jLsLoYcEFeb 10 09:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Office cocktail party tonight. Hakuna muratina. #ikodownFeb 10 09:37
DaemonFChe has a new movie coming out soonFeb 10 09:38
DaemonFCmust remember to see itFeb 10 09:38
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vb3IMTJjzfo&feature=relatedFeb 10 09:38
DaemonFCthrow the jew down the well, so my country can be free (so my country can be free), you must grab him by the horns.....Feb 10 09:40
DaemonFC*cough* sorryFeb 10 09:40
DaemonFC:)Feb 10 09:40
MinceR:)Feb 10 09:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Reader’s Picks Hardware Who really benefits from putting high-tech gadgets in classrooms? Something sounded famil http://ur1.ca/833zcFeb 10 09:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] RT @ Reader’s Picks Hardware Who really benefits from putting high-tech gadgets in classrooms? Something sounded famil http://ur1. ...Feb 10 09:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[serk01/@serk01] καλημερα κόσμεFeb 10 09:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Facebook is the guys you went to school with. Identi.ca is the guys you wish never went to school. Didn't get that right, no?Feb 10 09:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] If you ever needed a sign of just how broken the patent system is, look no further: http://ur1.ca/8340c... http://b1t.it/aMLsFeb 10 09:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] 10 European Commission myths about #ACTA - http://bit.ly/x51oZU best quick rebuttal of EU untruths - please read & RTFeb 10 09:44
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] The exact date of Ice Cube's "good day," arrived at through shrewd deduction. http://t.co/HNPsCW8z cc @eebrah @kelzOKOFeb 10 09:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @glynmoody 10 European Commission myths about #ACTA - http://bit.ly/x51oZU best quick rebuttal of EU untruths - please read & RTFeb 10 09:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @ satipera The #AndroidHumbleIndieBundle has Edge, Osmos, Anomoly, World of Goo and Toki Tori http://www.ur1.ca/2l614 #paywhatyouwantFeb 10 09:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @karsten: Google will swap you a box of crisps for your online privacy http://ur1.ca/833kbFeb 10 09:51
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Sîmbătă 11 februarie 2012 - ziua protestelor anti-ACTA http://ur1.ca/8347c #romania #acta #protest #internet #web #revolutieFeb 10 09:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] UK.gov: We really are going to start buying #opensource from SMEs - http://bit.ly/wrtNoU heard that before (v @opensourcerer)Feb 10 09:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Twitter releases its Cassandra client to the #opensource developer community - http://tnw.co/yCWtIi niceFeb 10 09:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @sandersch RD @sandersch RD @glynmoody 10 European Commission myths about #ACTA - http://bit.ly/x51oZU best quick rebuttal of EU untruthsFeb 10 09:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Study Finds Sharers Want Value with Meaning - http://bit.ly/yRkJiY it's the future #sharingFeb 10 09:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] .. reliably should you wish.Feb 10 09:57
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] What's Actually in the #TPP? - http://bit.ly/yfuPnc who knows? it's a secret; but here are some likely nasties in there #ACTAFeb 10 09:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] RT @sandersch RD @sandersch RD @glynmoody 10 European Commission myths about #ACTA - http://bit.ly/x51oZU best quick rebuttal of EU untruthsFeb 10 09:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] RT @laurelrusswurm @ satipera The #AndroidHumbleIndieBundle has Edge, Osmos, Anomoly, World of Goo and Toki Tori http://www.ur1.ca/2l614 ...Feb 10 09:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Listening to The Adverts, Gary Gilmore's Eyes. #MusicFeb 10 10:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[serk01/@serk01] τωρα ειδα το χθεσινο βίντεο των "Anonymous". Τι ρατσιστικό παραληρημα είναι αυτο ρε συ.Feb 10 10:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] Giving copyright holders power over buffer copies is a power grab. Would put every digital device under control of copyright holders. #TPPFeb 10 10:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] OpenWatch - http://bit.ly/zfV88q "participatory citizen media project; uses mobile technology 4 public monitoring of authority figures."Feb 10 10:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @glynmoody #Twitter releases its Cassandra client to the #opensource developer community - http://tnw.co/yCWtIi niceFeb 10 10:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Amazingly, Spider-Man Pirates Himself - http://bit.ly/zNA5BB wonderful storyFeb 10 10:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @glynmoody 10 European Commission myths about #ACTA - http://bit.ly/x51oZU best quick rebuttal of EU untruths - please read & RTFeb 10 10:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Crin Antonescu: Astăzi avem nevoie de unitatea și fermitatea USL http://ur1.ca/834to #romania #politics #usl #pnlFeb 10 10:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @glynmoody U Washington's best-of-breed 3D printing lab shuts down knowledge sharing after admin introduces patent-grab - http://bit. ...Feb 10 10:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @sandersch Jury rules that Eolas's "interactive web" patent is invalid http://is.gd/3ce5mN Apperently even in Texas they find this on ...Feb 10 10:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Food Herbicide Residues Set to Rise As Much As 150 Times - http://bit.ly/zKPOwB #monsanto thinks we need more birth defects in EUFeb 10 10:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Campaigners: we need right to parody - http://bit.ly/Al3ZmT ridiculous we even have to ask #copyrightFeb 10 10:16
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Announcing the School of Data - http://bit.ly/AfYsyx sounds coolFeb 10 10:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] A rare insight into one of the best hidden secrets in the photograpers market - http://ur1.ca/83534... http://b1t.it/aMMHFeb 10 10:19
DaemonFCBloatzilla Firecrash is fucking up on every site that uses WebGL apparentlyFeb 10 10:19
DaemonFCMozilla is getting to the point where they can't even solve a bug like that over the course of 4 entire releasesFeb 10 10:23
DaemonFCit's affecting every platformFeb 10 10:23
DaemonFCIntel eventually put a workaround for it into their Windows driverFeb 10 10:23
DaemonFCthis is just disgusting Feb 10 10:23
brendynwhy is it like this?Feb 10 10:27
cubezzzusing 3.6.20, works greatFeb 10 10:28
DaemonFCoh look, it works in ChromeFeb 10 10:28
DaemonFCthere's a shockFeb 10 10:28
DaemonFCFirefox is falling apartFeb 10 10:29
cubezzzwould you prefer IE 6.0? :)Feb 10 10:29
cubezzzI still have some windows 2000 customersFeb 10 10:30
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cubezzzwell Porteus ended up being a disappointmentFeb 10 10:34
cubezzzno installer!Feb 10 10:34
cubezzzjust live-cd onlyFeb 10 10:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] #EC brings #IPRED2 back from the dead. Scheduled for adoption in Sept. 2012 http://ur1.ca/835hv (PDF roadmap)Feb 10 10:34
DaemonFCit's ridiculous how much stuff Mozilla is getting wrong lately that Chrome and Opera just doFeb 10 10:35
DaemonFCand don't even make the user think aboutFeb 10 10:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Eolas Patent Failure A Hollow Victory - http://bit.ly/zReSGA a battle won, not the war #swpatsFeb 10 10:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] EU Socialists say 'Stop #ACTA' - http://bit.ly/xH9Xn9 promising noisesFeb 10 10:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Met thumbed through Oyster card data up to 22,000 times in 4 years - http://bit.ly/xJo0OU surprise! why I don't use them #surveillanceFeb 10 10:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Malware devs embrace #opensource - http://bit.ly/ynt64n it's just so obviously better as a methodologyFeb 10 10:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @dai They Know You’re Reading This http://ur1.ca/8344u !privacyFeb 10 10:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @glynmoody 10 European Commission myths about #ACTA - http://bit.ly/x51oZU best quick rebuttal of EU untruths - please read & RTFeb 10 10:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] The Economist: This house believes that society benefits when we share personal information online.: http://www.ur1.ca/8341i #DebateFeb 10 10:46
DaemonFCI can't believe I even have to think about this shitFeb 10 10:47
DaemonFCeverything else just worksFeb 10 10:47
DaemonFCand Firefox just crashesFeb 10 10:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @jerezim: A flyer against #ACTA for your #Feb11 protests and beyond http://ur1.ca/835pn (EN, FR + source, pls help translate!)Feb 10 10:47
DaemonFCThere was a joke I heard once that went "on a quiet night you can hear a Ford rust"Feb 10 10:51
DaemonFCapparently you change Ford to Firefox browser and you have what Mozilla is up toFeb 10 10:52
DaemonFChttp://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=1123272&t=1328871211&page=1#comment10651582Feb 10 10:54
DaemonFCoopsFeb 10 10:54
DaemonFChttp://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=1123272&t=1328871211&page=1Feb 10 10:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Let me dump my fundamental problems with the patent system in its current state here so it can serve as a reference po... http://b1t.it/aMN0Feb 10 10:54
DaemonFCthere we goFeb 10 10:54
DaemonFCapparently Google prefers feeding MapsGL to a Mozilla browser that just chokes on itFeb 10 10:54
DaemonFCwhen Opera can render it fine and it chooses to hide it from OperaFeb 10 10:55
DaemonFClets see what happens when I use Opera Dragonfly on itFeb 10 10:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @01111110: Tim Minchin on religion http://ur1.ca/83659 !atheismFeb 10 10:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] Awesome news: There is hope to one day avoid the #Windows #Tax: http://is.gd/Oy5T8CFeb 10 11:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] "Creating obligations without safeguards creates an imbalance of rights in favour of IP rightsholders. " ~ http://edri.org/commission_mythsFeb 10 11:02
amarsh04I'm hitting problems with Iceweasel/Firefox at around the 400 tabs open mark... CPU pegs at 100 percent for a large proportion of the time, > 4 GiB resident in RAMFeb 10 11:05
DaemonFCOpera's apt repo isn't tracking the latest Next buildsFeb 10 11:06
DaemonFCI jsut looked and I'm several behindFeb 10 11:07
DaemonFCSetting up opera-next (12.00.1291) ...Feb 10 11:07
DaemonFCthere we goFeb 10 11:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] ACTA up - http://econ.st/yAm4W8 surprisingly sympathetic piece on the Great European #ACTA revolt from #EconomistFeb 10 11:11
DaemonFCamarsh04: Considering how far behind Iceweasel usually is....Feb 10 11:14
DaemonFCyou're probably missing out on most, if not all of the memshrink workFeb 10 11:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @glynmoody ACTA up - http://econ.st/yAm4W8 surprisingly sympathetic piece on the Great European #ACTA revolt from #EconomistFeb 10 11:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] ♻ @greve: Awesome news: There is hope to one day avoid the #Windows #Tax: http://is.gd/Oy5T8C << congrats racketicielFeb 10 11:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] I submitted a slashdot story about last Monday's 7-hour !ACTA debate with the Polish PM: ur1.ca/8375a #debataACTAFeb 10 11:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Iran Shuts Down Major Websites and Https Protocol http://identi.ca/url/66337713 !effFeb 10 11:32
DaemonFChttp://www.i-programmer.info/news/82-heritage/3735-widespread-celebrations-but-no-pardon-for-turing.htmlFeb 10 11:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Hands-on video with Tesla’s electric Model X http://identi.ca/url/66337757 !scienceFeb 10 11:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Skin cancer drug reverses Alzheimer's in mice http://identi.ca/url/66337779 !scienceFeb 10 11:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Iran Shuts Down Major Websites and Https Protocol - http://bit.ly/x3hmwl looking bad (v @monomanbr)Feb 10 11:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Two Tibetans shot dead, another self-immolation, as China's dissent crackdown continues http://identi.ca/url/66338005Feb 10 11:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] U of Washington fucks students over patent grab http://identi.ca/url/66338164Feb 10 11:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] RT @carlopiana software libero nella PA oggi sull’Espresso http://ur1.ca/8379bFeb 10 11:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] A Christian criticised a judge who found that prayers scheduled before council meetings were illegal by saying the judge was not being ..Feb 10 11:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Nevada police beat the hell out of man in diabetic shock, screaming "Do not resist, motherfucker!" http://identi.ca/url/66338202Feb 10 11:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] .. logical. #funny !atheismFeb 10 11:41
DaemonFChttp://money.cnn.com/2012/02/10/real_estate/short_sale_incentives/Feb 10 11:41
DaemonFChttp://money.cnn.com/2011/12/28/real_estate/foreclosure/index.htm?iid=ELFeb 10 11:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] And the black Google bar is back ... http://ur1.ca/83847Feb 10 11:44
DaemonFChttp://articles.wsbt.com/2012-02-09/ann-murray_31044274Feb 10 11:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[serk01/@serk01] stopcartel απο αθηνα live feed http://identi.ca/url/66339036Feb 10 11:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] "It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing".Feb 10 11:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Ubuntu Tweak 0.6.1 Released With Support For Ubuntu 12.04 http://identi.ca/url/66339227Feb 10 11:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[serk01/@serk01] απο stopcartel (με καθε επιφυλαξη):o τραυματισμενος εχει αναγκη ασθενοφορου, δεν εχει επαφη με το περιβαλλον #syntagma #10frgrFeb 10 11:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[serk01/@serk01] συγγνωμη για το emoticon στο προηγουμενο ποστ, ο συνδυασμος χαρακτηρων φταιειFeb 10 11:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[serk01/@serk01] RT @risinggalaxy Το ΕΚΑΒ παραλαμβάνει τώρα τον τραυματία απο τη κάτω πλατεία Συντάγματος #rbnews #10fgr #syntagmaFeb 10 12:11
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DaemonFChttp://news.yahoo.com/washington-state-governor-sign-gay-marriage-bill-monday-021800595.htmlFeb 10 12:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] AWESOME ♻ @herrurbach: @rysiekpl @tirsales Germany is not signing !ACTA :) #debataACTAFeb 10 12:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @rysiek AWESOME ♻ @herrurbach: @rysiekpl @tirsales Germany is not signing !ACTA :) #debataACTAFeb 10 12:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] "... do wa do wa do wa do wa ..."Feb 10 12:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @copyme: #Iran Shuts Down Major Websites and Https Protocol - http://bit.ly/x3hmwl looking bad (v @monomanbr) #censorshipFeb 10 12:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fsmag/@fsmag] Are GNU/Linux, and free software in general, losing their "cool" factor? http://fsmsh.com/3712Feb 10 12:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] blogged⇒ European Digital Rights: 10 European Commission myths about !ACTA http://www.ur1.ca/83a1o #debataACTAFeb 10 12:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @evan I wish there was a way to select which image was going to pop up in the post when sharing a link (it always seems to be the wrong one)Feb 10 12:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @laurelrusswurm: blogged⇒ European Digital Rights: 10 European Commission myths about !ACTA http://www.ur1.ca/83a1o #debataACTAFeb 10 12:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] !tzaf and good night !identiverseFeb 10 12:39
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @glynmoody #Iran Shuts Down Major Websites and Https Protocol - http://bit.ly/x3hmwl looking bad (v @monomanbr)Feb 10 12:46
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @carlopiana If you don’t give a $hit about your liberties, don’t complain if your governments or companies don’t either.Feb 10 13:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @aprilorg Manifestations européennes samedi 11 février 2012 contre #ACTA http://ur1.ca/808z6 !aprilFeb 10 13:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] A Bucarest aussi... !Feb 10 13:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @glynmoody #Iran Shuts Down Major Websites and Https Protocol - http://bit.ly/x3hmwl looking bad (v @monomanbr)Feb 10 13:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @karsten ♻ @greve: Awesome news: There is hope to one day avoid the #Windows #Tax: http://is.gd/Oy5T8C << congrats racketicielFeb 10 13:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @glynmoody ACTA up - http://econ.st/yAm4W8 surprisingly sympathetic piece on the Great European #ACTA revolt from #EconomistFeb 10 13:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @grawok Mark Shuttleworth "Remixing !Ubuntu for the Enterprise Desktop" http://cutty.tk/AFeb 10 13:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @glynmoody #Malware devs embrace #opensource - http://bit.ly/ynt64n it's just so obviously better as a methodologyFeb 10 13:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @glynmoody EU Socialists say 'Stop #ACTA' - http://bit.ly/xH9Xn9 promising noisesFeb 10 13:12
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] România conduce în topul protestelor europene anti-ACTA: http://ur1.ca/83but #romania #acta #internetFeb 10 13:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] it just occurred to me that groups like thr #MPAA are like Wormtongue whispering bullshit into the King's ears, with his own agenda #LOTRFeb 10 13:26
iophkhttp://www.appleinsider.com/articles/12/02/09/apple_now_worth_more_than_google_and_microsoft_combined.htmlFeb 10 13:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Cabinet Office launches open source consultation http://ur1.ca/83c5p #uk #gnu #linux #fossFeb 10 13:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] "why bring this crusade on an already taxed mind?" #MPAA to Govt when confronted by the will of the peopleFeb 10 13:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] OPENBYTES: UK Government going ahead with Open Source http://goo.gl/icr93 #microsoft #windows7 #xp #windows8 #wp7 #mvpbuzz #mvp #vistaFeb 10 13:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] someone with graphic skills should create Senator Dodd as Grima Wormtongue #MPAAFeb 10 13:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Trump talks held over wind farm http://goo.gl/EezPt I can't help but hear "trump" in a geordie accent meaning "fart" #funnyheadlinesFeb 10 13:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] if this man is such a danger, why is he free at all? http://goo.gl/7BUiC it's gonna cost tax payers a bundle either wayFeb 10 13:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Lithuanian Minister of Justice Condemns #ACTA & Calls for Re-evaluation of IP - http://bit.ly/wgcnjn wow; that just leaves idiots like UKFeb 10 13:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Girl, 10, kept as 'virtual slave' in Eccles cellar http://goo.gl/ZXrmI sometimes the news just makes yer jaw drop :(Feb 10 13:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Guayadeque Music Player 0.3.5 Released With Multiple Collections, CUE Support http://identi.ca/url/66347489Feb 10 13:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Do The Differences Between Software Piracy And Media Piracy Matter? - http://bit.ly/xKpAKH making the right distinctions #ACTAFeb 10 13:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] EU privacy rulings: 'huge consequences' for UK press - http://bit.ly/xXeZCW great news (v @jeffjarvis) #freespeech #privacyFeb 10 13:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @Asher_Wolf: To Greek Pirate Party, @PiratePartyGR - Congratulations on your founding today, and welcome to the community!Feb 10 13:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] V for Vendetta and the rise ofAnonymous - http://bbc.in/yrR52H great piece by Alan Moore on the background (v @Asher_Wolf) #ACTA #guyfawkesFeb 10 13:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] “Da, privacy-ul e dus de câţiva ani. Mângâierea era că nu puteai fi totuşi luat cu duba” http://ur1.ca/83dik #acta #romaniaFeb 10 14:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Debunking The Oatmeal and the perception of Linux as difficult to use by Jim Salter | http://red.ht/yLXxmQ #opensourceFeb 10 14:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] "Yes, your privacy is gone for several years. Consolation was that you couldn't be taken by the van" http://ur1.ca/83dm4 #acta #roFeb 10 14:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Sale Or #License? Sister Sledge Sues Over #ITunes http://goo.gl/hk9NN more household names need to stand up to the labels like thisFeb 10 14:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Newspaper Boss Says Newspapers Need More Money... Because New Media Steals & May 'Destroy Civil Society' http://goo.gl/T5kL1Feb 10 14:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @laquadrature [en][Economist] Internet freedom and copyright law: ACTA up http://lqdn.fr/5251Feb 10 14:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @laquadrature [fr][ZDNet.fr] ACTA : deux autres pays européens rejoignent l’opposition http://lqdn.fr/node/5250Feb 10 14:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] it'd be nice if the #Newsbeuter sqlite db cache was more efficient in deleting old data, instead of always growing, easy to delete but stillFeb 10 14:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Parable of the farmers & the Teleporting Duplicator - http://bit.ly/zu9pd0 flawed logic: reputation is built by sharing - eg OSS (v @ccbuhr)Feb 10 14:26
oiaohmiophk: still around.  http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/q?s=005930.KS  This is a share price.  Yes samsungs you kind.Feb 10 14:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @nistor http://stopacta.ro #stopACTA #romaniaFeb 10 14:29
amarsh04http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-02-10/historian-reveals-details-on-townsville-mutiny/3821906Feb 10 14:32
oiaohmYep that been all over the radio where I am. amarsh04Feb 10 14:33
amarsh04I can imagine, oiaohmFeb 10 14:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @sirmacik: Dość ważny komentarz @michuk do tekstu pudelka o ACTA http://bit.ly/wzxIpi na @osnewsplFeb 10 14:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Estonian IT Journalist: #ACTA a Wolf in Puppy's Clothing - http://bit.ly/yg0JWw nicely done (v @SLWorona) #estoniaFeb 10 14:36
oiaohmwww.blendernation.com/2012/02/10/live-3d-stream-from-blender-to-browser  Ok this is getting impressiveFeb 10 14:40
iophkhttp://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2663921&cid=38993739Feb 10 14:47
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oiaohmiophk: what do you think of samsung 1 million dollar + share price.Feb 10 14:48
iophkI haven't followed SamsungFeb 10 14:49
oiaohmhttp://uk.finance.yahoo.com/q?s=005930.KSFeb 10 14:49
oiaohmiophk: Samsung is the big phone maker at the moment.Feb 10 14:49
JeremiahYnever owned a SamsungFeb 10 14:50
JeremiahYI tend to get whatever my carrier exclusive phone phone is at the timeFeb 10 14:51
oiaohmJeremiahY: Never be too sure of that.Feb 10 14:52
oiaohmJeremiahY: Samsung do make a lot of carrier branded and other branded phones.Feb 10 14:53
fewtI'm happy with my Sony phone, even though I'm not a Sony fanFeb 10 14:54
fewtonly because it has a gamepad.Feb 10 14:54
JeremiahYI've only owned 3 phones in the 8 years I've had a cell phoneFeb 10 14:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[torproject/@torproject] Set up Tor + obfsproxy and help users in Iran reach the Internet: https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2012-February/023070.htmlFeb 10 14:54
iophkThe 52 week range for Samsung has been 672,000.00 - 1,130,000.00Feb 10 14:56
oiaohmYep iophkFeb 10 14:56
iophkIs there a causal relation in either direction between stock prices and the real world?Feb 10 14:57
oiaohmYep samsung profit figures.Feb 10 14:57
iophkAre there any others left in the mobile race besides Sony, Samsung and Motorola?Feb 10 14:59
oiaohmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_computers vs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SamsungFeb 10 14:59
oiaohmiophk: you missed HTCFeb 10 15:00
JeremiahYApple?Feb 10 15:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Two reasons I love blogging: Helping out great communities by @daeaves | http://red.ht/yGd4Ji #kuali #representFeb 10 15:01
oiaohmNokia is still a little in the game but they have mostly blown own feet off.Feb 10 15:02
iophkYes.  HTC and Apple.  I'm still not used to thinking of a smartphone as a phone.  It's stuck in my mind as a tablet which can use the mobile phone network for calls.Feb 10 15:02
oiaohmLike if Nokia released an andorid phone today it would still sell like hot cakesFeb 10 15:02
oiaohmPeople trust Nokia for quality hardware.Feb 10 15:02
iophkNokia could save themselves by going Android or any other linux.Feb 10 15:03
JeremiahYthere's that nokia phone meme evenFeb 10 15:03
iophkBut otherwise it's going right to the bottom with WIndows phone.Feb 10 15:03
oiaohmiophk: they are working on another linuxFeb 10 15:03
MinceRiophk: a tablet, even if it's less than 4"? :>Feb 10 15:03
JeremiahYthey would really need to go with AndroidFeb 10 15:03
JeremiahYyour average consumer doesn't care or know about LinuxFeb 10 15:04
iophkhttp://www.abs-cbnnews.com/business/tech-biz/02/10/12/nokia-cuts-4000-jobs-struggle-win-smartphone-marketFeb 10 15:04
iophkThe idea seems to be to kill of Nokia: http://www.informationweek.com/news/mobility/smart_phones/232600573Feb 10 15:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Excellent the NHS is coming to the fore, even the Government (Conservatives) are fighting amongst themselves. #SavetheNHSFeb 10 15:04
iophkPlan A cannot succeed and there is no plan BFeb 10 15:05
oiaohmiophk: and nokia have brough belle out what is the SymbianFeb 10 15:05
MinceRthen m$ can buy nokia for their future patent trolling businessFeb 10 15:05
iophkNokia has cut so many jobs that there's not much it can do any more.Feb 10 15:06
oiaohmMinceR: really the 250 patents nokia let go were most of Nokia best patents.Feb 10 15:06
iophkEven Nokia Networks is getting cut.Feb 10 15:06
fewtMicrosoft has a patent trolling business?Feb 10 15:06
oiaohmSo the patent trolling has already started.  MinceRFeb 10 15:06
oiaohmfewt: Yes it does.Feb 10 15:06
MinceRoiaohm: they haven't given up on products and services yet, thoughFeb 10 15:06
JeremiahYI doubt thatFeb 10 15:06
iophkMinceR: yes, a very small tablet.  The first tablets I saw were too small.Feb 10 15:06
MinceRhowever worthless and undesired they areFeb 10 15:07
oiaohmfewt: Lot of documents come out that MS is still using  fat patents that have been defeated in court many times.Feb 10 15:07
fewtIs anyone that holds and enforces a patent a patent troll?Feb 10 15:07
fewtI thought that companies that secured patents with no practical implementations only used for litigation were patent trollsFeb 10 15:07
MinceRfewt: anyone whose business model is to sue for patents for money without having any products or services (so they can't be sued in the same way)Feb 10 15:07
fewtThat doesn't describe MicrosoftFeb 10 15:07
MinceRit does describe where they're heading, thoughFeb 10 15:08
fewtno it doesn'tFeb 10 15:08
oiaohmfewt: MS has a sub company for patent trolling.Feb 10 15:08
amarsh04if they are actually using that patent in their own current product (e.g. it's mentioned explicitly on the documentation or marked on the product) it's not a trollFeb 10 15:08
MinceRyeah, keep telling yourself thatFeb 10 15:08
fewtKeep telling myself what?Feb 10 15:08
MinceRrepeat after me: "bing has a future, .net has a future, windows has a future, office has a future"Feb 10 15:08
fewtthat their products and services are imaginary?Feb 10 15:08
MinceRmaybe you'll believe itFeb 10 15:08
fewtbing has no futureFeb 10 15:08
fewtdon't make assumptions, that makes you look sillyFeb 10 15:08
amarsh04microsoft don't mention the patents explicitly like in the "about" screens of their softwareFeb 10 15:08
MinceRi'm not the one making the assumptions hereFeb 10 15:08
fewtsure you areFeb 10 15:09
fewt(09:07:17 AM) MinceR: it does describe where they're heading, thoughFeb 10 15:09
fewtthat is an assumptionFeb 10 15:09
oiaohmfewt: I have a few forms of troll.Feb 10 15:09
fewt(09:07:47 AM) MinceR: repeat after me: "bing has a future, .net has a future, windows has a future, office has a future"Feb 10 15:09
fewtthat is an assumptionFeb 10 15:09
amarsh04therefore I call microsoft a patent trollFeb 10 15:09
MinceRbesides all that, m$ does have a history of controlling companies they don't own in order to do patent trolling activityFeb 10 15:09
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oiaohmfewt: MS is an entrapment patent troll.Feb 10 15:09
MinceRfewt: yes, you seem to be assuming that they have a future :>Feb 10 15:09
oiaohmfewt: MS released documentation so coders could make fat file system drivers.Feb 10 15:10
oiaohmfewt: No where in that documentation does not mention any patent claims or possible patent claims.Feb 10 15:10
oiaohmfewt: this repeats over and over again.Feb 10 15:10
fewtThat isn't Microsofts problemFeb 10 15:10
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fewtThat's the problem of whomever used the documentation to implement a product without doing a patent searchFeb 10 15:10
fewtI'm not defending themFeb 10 15:10
MinceRit's the problem of whoever trusts m$Feb 10 15:10
oiaohmfewt: go to ibm  motorola nokia.  When they document protocal they include if they are patent effected or not.Feb 10 15:11
fewtI just don't think it's accurate to imply that they are patent trollsFeb 10 15:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Wouldn't that really piss the 1% off that when any of us had to claim social support we asked for the corporate welfare rates.Feb 10 15:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Public concern on #ACTA is understandable, says S&D Euro MP Bernd Lange - http://bit.ly/y9z2XC wow: read this savvy comment (v @StopActaNow)Feb 10 15:11
JeremiahYthere was that patent troll that tried to claim royalties on all of the internet a few days agoFeb 10 15:11
oiaohmMost of the software company world include apple document if a protocal is patent effected or not by the writer in the documentaiton to implement.Feb 10 15:11
iophkThere are too many patents, you'd spend all your time doing patent searches.  The only thing you'll thus gain would be paying treble damages for willful infringment instead of single for accidental.Feb 10 15:11
JeremiahYgot shot down in courtFeb 10 15:11
fewtJeremiahY - that is a valid patent trollFeb 10 15:12
oiaohmfewt: Do you think computer programmers can afford to time to do patent searchs.Feb 10 15:12
JeremiahYoiaohm: they have tooFeb 10 15:12
oiaohmfewt: Also be aware of a nasty thing computer programers in many countries are forbin from doing patent searches.Feb 10 15:12
fewtSureFeb 10 15:12
MinceRyeah, that triple damages thingFeb 10 15:12
oiaohmYep triple damages.Feb 10 15:13
oiaohmIts not possible for programmers to patent search.Feb 10 15:13
oiaohmSo you cannot say go do a patent search.Feb 10 15:13
fewtHow is that Microsoft's fault that someone is forbidden to do a patent search?Feb 10 15:13
fewtIt isn't.Feb 10 15:13
oiaohmfewt: It is.Feb 10 15:13
fewtI don't see howFeb 10 15:13
fewtit doesn't fitFeb 10 15:13
oiaohmReally I would love the law like china.Feb 10 15:13
MinceRit is m$'s fault if they knowingly set such a trap for implementers.Feb 10 15:13
oiaohmGlobally.Feb 10 15:13
fewtIt would be safe to say it is the government of the countries fault.Feb 10 15:13
JeremiahYfewt: +Feb 10 15:14
oiaohmIf you don't declare patents on documentation made in chianFeb 10 15:14
MinceRguess who control those governments.Feb 10 15:14
oiaohmThen you come back and do a patent claim it invlide.Feb 10 15:14
fewtthis is silly.Feb 10 15:14
JeremiahYMicrosoft most definitely does not control the US governmentFeb 10 15:14
oiaohmfewt: It is not silly.Feb 10 15:14
fewtMicrosoft owns governments?Feb 10 15:14
MinceRnot entirelyFeb 10 15:15
fewtthat's not what you guys just saidFeb 10 15:15
fewt(09:13:23 AM) MinceR: guess who control those governments.Feb 10 15:15
fewtmeans you are implying that Microsoft owns the governmentsFeb 10 15:15
MinceR"control" does not mean "own"Feb 10 15:15
fewtthey do or they don'tFeb 10 15:15
oiaohmHere in Australia failure to include notice of patent pending or patent numbers on a protocol document is also make it prior art to you patent so voiding it.Feb 10 15:15
MinceRthey share control with other big corporationsFeb 10 15:15
oiaohmIf it your patent and you protcol document basically.Feb 10 15:15
MinceRby bribing politicians from both big parties in the USA, for exampleFeb 10 15:15
fewtSo, if I craft a patent for somethingFeb 10 15:16
fewtdevelop a product around itFeb 10 15:16
fewtand then enforce itFeb 10 15:16
fewt(the patent)Feb 10 15:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] Interesting piece by @webmink: Eolas' defeat is a hollow victory for the web as long as #swpat exist http://t.co/hVG5YX8vFeb 10 15:16
fewtI am evil?Feb 10 15:16
oiaohmfewt: NO.Feb 10 15:16
oiaohmYou design a product.Feb 10 15:16
fewtbecause someone else was ignorant of the patent?Feb 10 15:16
MinceRfewt: what has this got to do with the documentation issue?Feb 10 15:16
fewteverythingFeb 10 15:16
oiaohmYou release document on the product to interface on it.Feb 10 15:16
oiaohmYou patent that interface and tell no one.Feb 10 15:16
oiaohmWhat 5 years then sue everyone ass off.Feb 10 15:16
MinceRfewt: where's the part "i release the specs for others to use without mentioning that i plan to sue them for using it"?Feb 10 15:16
oiaohmThen you are evilFeb 10 15:16
fewtThere is no legal requirement to include "I has patent" in any documentationFeb 10 15:17
oiaohmThat is what MS did with fat.Feb 10 15:17
MinceRand if there's no legal requirement then it's morally perfect?Feb 10 15:17
oiaohmfewt: No legal requirement does not make it morally right.Feb 10 15:17
fewtIt is neither morally right or wrongFeb 10 15:17
oiaohmfewt: In australia there is a legal requirement in fat.Feb 10 15:17
fewtimhoFeb 10 15:17
oiaohmchina there is a legal requirementFeb 10 15:17
oiaohmjapan legal requirementFeb 10 15:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Aussetzung der #ACTA-Unterschrift: Kleiner Schritt in richtige Richtung - http://bit.ly/yLsIOC "intransparent, undemokratisch und schädlich"Feb 10 15:17
oiaohmmost of the eu legal requirementFeb 10 15:18
oiaohmSo basically operate anywere other than the USA and you would have had to.Feb 10 15:18
fewtwas the documentation created in, or did it exist in any of those countries?Feb 10 15:18
oiaohmThe documentation was created in the USA so avoiding the requirement.Feb 10 15:18
fewtaccessible != existFeb 10 15:18
fewtIt was created in the US because Microsoft is a US companyFeb 10 15:18
fewtnot to avoid any requirementFeb 10 15:18
oiaohmYet it was still common best prac for usa companies at the time to decleare patents.Feb 10 15:18
fewtunless there is some evidence otherwise somewhereFeb 10 15:19
oiaohmThere are rules that are not writting into law.Feb 10 15:19
fewtMicrosoft may be a lot of things, but I just don't see them fitting into the "patent troll" argument.Feb 10 15:19
oiaohmMS breaks them.Feb 10 15:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Phrases I have not heard in many years "He duffed me up".Feb 10 15:19
fewtConvicted monopolist, yesFeb 10 15:19
fewtleveraged illegal monopoly to enter into new markets, absolutelyFeb 10 15:20
fewtpatent troll? not so muchFeb 10 15:20
MinceRmy argument was that they're becoming a patent troll, not that they already are oneFeb 10 15:20
oiaohmMS is basically using patents to do what they use todo as a illegal monopolyFeb 10 15:20
iophkfewt: look at the mobile phone marketFeb 10 15:20
oiaohmYep mobile phones MS cannot make a good mobile phone so sueing and threating everyone else who can.Feb 10 15:21
fewtThere patent portfolio is built around products that exist.  The definition of a patent troll is securing new patents for the sole purpose of litigating.Feb 10 15:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[serk01/@serk01] If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—for ever.” George Orwell http://identi.ca/url/66352369Feb 10 15:21
fewtMobile phones are a really good indicator of how Microsoft has lost control of the handset marketFeb 10 15:21
oiaohmfewt: when you are using the patents you have for the sole purpose of litigating things have gone wrong.Feb 10 15:22
oiaohmfewt: Lets look at ibm.Feb 10 15:22
oiaohmfewt: How does IBM respond in the same issue.Feb 10 15:22
oiaohmIBM has been beaten in a market they want to get back competitive.Feb 10 15:22
oiaohmIBM users it patents to force source code to be released open source.Feb 10 15:22
oiaohmNow that that IBM gets the source code they now can make a competive game and make a future product that competes.Feb 10 15:23
fewtIBM isn't in the handset marketFeb 10 15:23
oiaohmMotorola does the same thing.Feb 10 15:23
oiaohmThere are useful ways of using patents for future product development.Feb 10 15:24
oiaohmSueing for money is not that productive.Feb 10 15:24
fewtWhich patents is Microsoft using to litigate that it hasn't been used in a product that they have built and shipped Feb 10 15:24
fewts/is/are/Feb 10 15:24
iophkTheir phones are still mostly vaporwareFeb 10 15:24
fewtTheir new phones may neFeb 10 15:25
fewts/ne/be/Feb 10 15:25
oiaohmfewt: thinking that the fat patents of issue were found invalidFeb 10 15:25
fewtbut they have been in the handset market for what 15 years?Feb 10 15:25
oiaohmfewt: so cannot be used in any MS product.Feb 10 15:25
oiaohmsince the don't exist by law any more in any enforceable form.Feb 10 15:25
oiaohmThat is a troll action.Feb 10 15:26
fewtI'm just saying, I don't think you guys have all of your facts in order here.Feb 10 15:26
oiaohmOr internal miss magement of patent listsFeb 10 15:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Mark Smith said that the best Fall albums were recorded in Rochdale. Cyril Smith would have been happy.Feb 10 15:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[serk01/@serk01] μη προσπαθείς να κάνεις ενα γουρούνι άνθρωπο. Χανείς τον χρόνο σου και κουράζεις και το γουρούνι. http://identi.ca/url/66352563Feb 10 15:26
oiaohmIe we just want to scare companies into paying listsFeb 10 15:26
oiaohmSo we dont' care what crap we put on there even if it invalid.Feb 10 15:26
fewtwhich case documents the fat patent being invalidatedFeb 10 15:26
fewtand which cases describe Microsoft continuing to use those invalid patents to litigate?Feb 10 15:27
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oiaohmhttp://yro.slashdot.org/story/07/03/15/142203/Germany-Rejects-Microsoft-FAT-Patent and a few other cases.Feb 10 15:29
oiaohmfewt: and companies of those areas still turning up in patent claims over android with that patnet in the list.Feb 10 15:29
fewtWhich cases in Germany show Microsoft litigating using those patents?Feb 10 15:29
oiaohmA troll does not want to go to court.Feb 10 15:30
oiaohmThey just want to be paid.Feb 10 15:30
oiaohmSo they make up big scary lists.Feb 10 15:30
oiaohmThis is exactly what MS does.Feb 10 15:30
fewtso, what we are saying here is that there aren't any actual examples?Feb 10 15:30
fewtI'm not saying they aren't using their patents (Barnes and Noble is an example where they are)Feb 10 15:30
oiaohmfewt: If I dig there are examples of leaks from companies listing it.Feb 10 15:30
fewtI'm asking to see them.Feb 10 15:31
fewt:DFeb 10 15:31
oiaohmBarnes and Noble had that one on the list before they yelled.Feb 10 15:31
oiaohmPart of the reason why MS and Barnes and Noble are going to court.Feb 10 15:31
fewtIs the fat patent listed in the Barnes and Feb 10 15:31
oiaohmLarge section of the list Barnes and Noble suspect as bogus.Feb 10 15:31
fewtNoble caseFeb 10 15:31
fewtand .. has the FAT patent been overturned in the US?Feb 10 15:31
fewtor just GermanyFeb 10 15:31
oiaohmUSA as well.Feb 10 15:32
oiaohmIn fact Barnes and Nobel are trying to force the list in.Feb 10 15:32
oiaohmSince MS threated with list they should be forced to sue with list.Feb 10 15:32
oiaohmAnd take fall out.Feb 10 15:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] RT @carlopiana HUGE, Germany on hold awaits the EP before signing #ACTA. http://ur1.ca/83ez2Feb 10 15:32
oiaohmThat is Barnes and Nobel logic.Feb 10 15:33
fewtDo you have the case number showing the FAT patent being invalidated in the USFeb 10 15:33
fewtand the case number for it being used against Barnes and Noble?  I'd like to read them.Feb 10 15:33
oiaohmfewt: You need to read the patent treaty between the USA and GermanyFeb 10 15:34
fewtI'm more interested in the Microsoft vs Barnes and Noble case, and how the FAT patent is involved.Feb 10 15:34
oiaohmMS never applied to over turn the Germany ruling in the USAFeb 10 15:34
oiaohmSo the german ruling applies.Feb 10 15:35
JeremiahYall I'm seeing is unsubstantiated claims about this...aka FUDFeb 10 15:35
fewtMind you, I'm not saying you are wrong, I just want to fact check itFeb 10 15:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Fergie endorsing a rival teams manager for the #England job? business as usual then #mindgames #destabalise !footballFeb 10 15:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] It looks like all the countries whose legislature had problems with ACTA are coming out into the open. This is 3rd or 4th but biggest ..Feb 10 15:39
oiaohmfewt: http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20120207110012776  Of course there is patent 522Feb 10 15:40
oiaohmfewt: Classic example the patent has more prior art against it than you can poke a stick at.Feb 10 15:41
fewtCan you point me to the paragraph that discusses the FAT patent?Feb 10 15:41
iophkfewt: Groklaw covers that kind of thing in detail.Feb 10 15:41
fewt:DFeb 10 15:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] .. well done Germany.Feb 10 15:41
oiaohmYet every time MS goes to court they pull it off table.Feb 10 15:41
iophkThe FAT patent is just one of a handful that M$ has been waving around.Feb 10 15:41
oiaohmLot with massive ammounts of prior artFeb 10 15:41
oiaohmLots that will go splat in cortFeb 10 15:42
fewtSo, there is no evidence of the FAT patent being used to litigate against Barnes and Noble?Feb 10 15:42
iophkhttp://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20040930074317160Feb 10 15:42
oiaohmfewt: fat is one of many.Feb 10 15:42
oiaohmfewt: void patents MS is using.Feb 10 15:42
oiaohmAnd expecting to be paid for.Feb 10 15:42
fewtYou aren't proving your argumentFeb 10 15:42
iophkM$ tries to avoid showing exactly which patents unless the chumps sign an NDA.Feb 10 15:42
fewtI'm aware of the groklaw casesFeb 10 15:42
iophkB&N did not fall for that.Feb 10 15:42
fewtwhere is it being still being actively usedFeb 10 15:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Was it Anita Ward "Ring my bell" Oh dear.....Feb 10 15:42
fewtagainst B&NFeb 10 15:43
oiaohmsony internal document leak from 2008 lists it in NDA.Feb 10 15:43
oiaohmfor androidFeb 10 15:43
fewtAll I'm hearing is Microsoft is evil, they are using FAT against companies even though it is invalid, but I can't prove it.Feb 10 15:43
oiaohmfewt: 522 is one I can find the documetnation on quick.Feb 10 15:44
iophk"According to Exhibit D, the '517 and '352 patents relate to file nameFeb 10 15:44
iophkcompatibility and were used in discussions prior to Microsoft initiating legalFeb 10 15:44
iophkaction against B&N, but not asserted in that action."Feb 10 15:44
iophkhttp://groklaw.net/article.php?story=2011111122291296Feb 10 15:44
oiaohmYep there it is.Feb 10 15:44
oiaohm517 and 352Feb 10 15:44
oiaohmfewt: fat patentsFeb 10 15:44
oiaohmyou screwed right.Feb 10 15:44
oiaohmStack of void patents MS has used in the B&N case.Feb 10 15:45
oiaohmUsing void patents you are a patent troll plan and simple.Feb 10 15:45
fewtThis is the fat patent: http://www.google.com/patents/US5579517Feb 10 15:45
oiaohmNote the last 3 numbers 517 fewtFeb 10 15:46
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] RT @mv Finally updated the http://ur1.ca/83f71 page of our site with the latest podcasts....sorry about with @leischa still on http://ur ...Feb 10 15:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] yesterday I watched a great movie - The Boat That Rocked - about "pirate radio stations" in the 60's. how on-topic! ur1.ca/83f97Feb 10 15:46
fewtI am still lookingFeb 10 15:46
oiaohmThat document is refering exactly at it.Feb 10 15:46
fewtok, fair enough thenFeb 10 15:46
fewt.. but ..Feb 10 15:47
fewtI'm not sure this makes the case for them being a patent trollFeb 10 15:47
fewtbecause an actual product was created around the patentFeb 10 15:48
oiaohmfrom my point of view using voided patents when you know they are is a patent troll.Feb 10 15:48
oiaohmSince you should only use the patents you know are valid.Feb 10 15:48
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oiaohmIe threats with void patents and having people pay you for void patents is dispicable.Feb 10 15:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Public concern on #ACTA is understandable, says S&D Euro MP Bernd Lange - http://bit.ly/wXhfO4 wow: savvy comment (v @StopActaNow)direct URLFeb 10 15:49
oiaohmReally a normal patent troll who does not know if the patents are void or not is less of a evil than a person using a patent they know is void.Feb 10 15:50
XFaCEoiaohm: hi manFeb 10 15:50
oiaohmHi XFaCEFeb 10 15:50
XFaCEoiaohm: Question, are you very knowledgable about efi?Feb 10 15:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] One of the main problems with "Western democracy" whether at home or abroad is it is about the values of those who are doing well. ..Feb 10 15:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] .. Can't or won't fit in? Rocky path waiting.Feb 10 15:51
MinceRalso note that apparently not everyone's definition relies on the offender not having products/services covered by the patent, apparently >> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Patent_trollFeb 10 15:51
oiaohmXFaCE: go watch the LCA2012 video on the topic EFIFeb 10 15:51
oiaohmXFaCE: I will get you the link.Feb 10 15:51
XFaCEoiaohm: In more relation to my laptop actuallFeb 10 15:52
JeremiahYEFI implies OSX right?Feb 10 15:52
XFaCEoiaohm: I have this "EFI boot" option and I'm unclear where this means I have EFIT or nowFeb 10 15:52
XFaCEJeremiahY: for all apple products? absolutelyFeb 10 15:52
XFaCEAny with intel processorsFeb 10 15:52
XFaCEand all ARM devices tooFeb 10 15:53
JeremiahYright, just making sureFeb 10 15:53
JeremiahYI've got a macbook pro Feb 10 15:53
oiaohmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2aq5M3Q76U  Really I saw this guy 12 months before this.  He was a very happy person 12 months before.Feb 10 15:53
JeremiahYall I know is that EFI doesn't play well with a dual-boot configurationFeb 10 15:53
oiaohmWhen I watched the video I could not believe I was seeing the same people.Feb 10 15:54
fewtI don't think 517 and 352 are invalid in the USFeb 10 15:54
fewthttp://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=5579517.PN.&OS=PN/5579517&RS=PN/5579517Feb 10 15:54
fewthttp://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=5758352.PN.&OS=PN/5758352&RS=PN/5758352Feb 10 15:54
oiaohmfewt: This is the nasty point.  The lose in germany makes it invalid if attempted to be enfored in court.Feb 10 15:54
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oiaohmfewt: yet leaves it on the USA record as valid.Feb 10 15:54
oiaohmYes the USA patent system suxsFeb 10 15:55
JeremiahYif the US still considers it valid, how is MS in the wrong here?Feb 10 15:55
oiaohmJeremiahY: It cannot be enforced.Feb 10 15:55
oiaohmJeremiahY: state changes when it goes into a court case.Feb 10 15:55
oiaohmJeremiahY: so as long as MS does not let it in a court case they get to keep the valid status.Feb 10 15:56
JeremiahYso you're really just arguing about them taking the moral high-ground?Feb 10 15:56
fewtIt can only not be enforced if the defendant can get a US judge to throw it out.Feb 10 15:56
fewtso this is a moral issue rather than a legal issueFeb 10 15:56
fewthttp://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-02-08/news/31036645_1_windows-phone-microsoft-linuxFeb 10 15:57
oiaohmfewt: Its really both.Feb 10 15:57
JeremiahYwhich is of a highly subjective natureFeb 10 15:57
fewtwhile I was looking for data on the FAT patent, I found thatFeb 10 15:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Latest pact on internet piracy set to be derailed - http://on.ft.com/y2zyJg wow, even #FT thinks #ACTA is dying (v@@RalfGrahn)Feb 10 15:57
oiaohmRemember the word defentant.Feb 10 15:58
fewtYou still haven't sold me.Feb 10 15:58
oiaohmCompany cannot force MS to use the fat patent in a USA court as current law stands so it can be tagged invalid.Feb 10 15:58
fewtI understand that the patent is invalid in GermanyFeb 10 15:58
oiaohmSo yes MS can threaten with it all they like.Feb 10 15:58
fewtbut the litigation between Microsoft and Barnes and Noble is not in GermanyFeb 10 15:58
MinceRfewt: can this "promise" be enforced by law?Feb 10 15:58
oiaohmNever have to have it tested.Feb 10 15:58
oiaohmAustralia same thing I would be able to force anything in a threat list into court.Feb 10 15:59
oiaohmUSA lacks this.Feb 10 15:59
oiaohmSo companies get to keep void patents around in the USA.Feb 10 15:59
JeremiahYso that's a problem with the US, not MSFeb 10 15:59
oiaohmBoth JeremiahYFeb 10 15:59
fewtThat's a problem with the patent system, not MSFeb 10 15:59
JeremiahYlol noFeb 10 15:59
oiaohmYou don't have to be ass hole.Feb 10 15:59
JeremiahYthey aren'tFeb 10 16:00
oiaohmAnd use patents that you cannot defend.Feb 10 16:00
fewtfrom a moral perspective, you have a pointFeb 10 16:00
JeremiahYthey are a business, doing what's legally in their power to doFeb 10 16:00
MinceRJeremiahY: and that's an excuse for immoral acts, then?Feb 10 16:00
oiaohmLegally and morally are two different things.Feb 10 16:00
JeremiahYI don't think it's imoralFeb 10 16:00
MinceRof course you don'tFeb 10 16:00
fewtI think it's neither moral nor immoralFeb 10 16:01
fewtbecause it is business which is devoid of emotion.Feb 10 16:01
fewta business is not a personFeb 10 16:01
MinceRmorality has little to do with emotionsFeb 10 16:01
fewtI disagreeFeb 10 16:01
fewtmorality has everything to do with emotionFeb 10 16:01
fewtimhoFeb 10 16:01
oiaohmfewt: really I hope barns and nobel wins the right to pull the threat list in.Feb 10 16:01
oiaohmSo making a lot of USA patents change from valid to void.Feb 10 16:02
JeremiahYfair enoughFeb 10 16:02
fewtI'm not taking sides because I don't have an emotional or physical attachment to either.Feb 10 16:02
MinceReven if it was only about emotions, the emotions of the people affected would still be relevantFeb 10 16:02
oiaohmUSA patent system is wrong we know that.Feb 10 16:02
oiaohmBut you don't have to abuse it flaws.Feb 10 16:02
MinceRfewt: do you have an emotional or physical attachment to yourself?Feb 10 16:02
oiaohmto do business.Feb 10 16:03
fewtThe US patent system does need to be re-invented.Feb 10 16:03
fewtI'll absolutely agree with that.Feb 10 16:03
fewtMinceR irrelevant.Feb 10 16:03
fewtThe topic isn't about me, lets keep it objectiveFeb 10 16:03
MinceRfewt: so you think that nothing that m$ does will ever affect you?Feb 10 16:03
fewtMinceR you are making assumptions againFeb 10 16:03
fewtI never said anything of the sort.Feb 10 16:03
oiaohmReally the most important change is to prevent trolls or all parties acting from trollsFeb 10 16:03
oiaohmfrom being able to threating with a list then not face list in court.Feb 10 16:04
fewtMinceR: Stop trying to make the conversation about something that it isn't just so you can feel like you have won.Feb 10 16:04
oiaohmIt would slow down patent threats quite a bit.Feb 10 16:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] A-Punk by Vampire Weekend.....It will stimulate the pleasure centres of the brain.Feb 10 16:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] World Press Photo competition 2012 winners - in pictures - http://bit.ly/yfk6DF do not miss: some truly great art #photographyFeb 10 16:04
fewtoiaohm i agree with thatFeb 10 16:04
oiaohmSince people would be more careful to only use valid patents.Feb 10 16:04
fewtbut by the definition described here, Google and RedHat would also fall into the bucket of "patent trolls"Feb 10 16:05
oiaohmThe fat patent where the German loss if the patent is pulled into court refer to German ruling volidFeb 10 16:05
oiaohmsince MS did not apply inside 12 months for an acception the case is over on it.Feb 10 16:05
oiaohmYes USA system needs to improve it status display.Feb 10 16:05
fewtIf Barnes and Noble used the German ruling to build case law against Microsoft's use of those two patents, you would be justified in saying that Microsoft was evil for using them here even though they were invalid.Feb 10 16:06
oiaohmSo items like that german ruling get applied when the time to object to ruling has expired.Feb 10 16:06
fewtif they used them after that.Feb 10 16:06
oiaohmfewt: MS threated with them.Feb 10 16:06
fewtSince there is no case law, *shrug*Feb 10 16:06
oiaohmfewt: Lets threaten with a huge list of invalid patents with a few non invalid patents to get a bigger payment basically.Feb 10 16:07
fewtThis is an opportunity though for Barnes and Noble to build that case law.Feb 10 16:07
fewtUntil then the patents aren't invalid.Feb 10 16:07
fewtnot in the US anywayFeb 10 16:07
oiaohmThey are not enforcable.Feb 10 16:07
fewtThey are until it is proven that they are notFeb 10 16:07
oiaohmThe treaty says they are not.Feb 10 16:07
fewtThink about that.Feb 10 16:07
MinceRfewt: my point is that even if we assume that morality is only relevant to emotions, patent abuses done by m$ affect the emotions of real people, and likely that can even affect you.Feb 10 16:08
MinceRtherefore even with that assumption, it is relevant to morality.Feb 10 16:08
fewtIt has yet to be proven, once it is (Barnes and Noble case)..Feb 10 16:08
oiaohmfewt: ie proven invalid in germamy due to treaty that applies in USA 12 months latter unless objected to in that time if brought before a USA court any time after that.Feb 10 16:09
oiaohmfewt: Yes bad wording in treaty as well.Feb 10 16:09
MinceR(that said, i do not agree with that assumption. i think that morality has to do with the wellbeing of conscious and/or sapient beings)Feb 10 16:09
fewtIf Barnes and Noble is able to make that argument work in court you'll be absolutely right.Feb 10 16:09
fewtI'm not saying that they will or will notFeb 10 16:09
fewtjust that they need to do so.Feb 10 16:09
fewt:DFeb 10 16:09
oiaohmfewt: The question is will they be able to pull the threat list of patents in.Feb 10 16:10
fewtso with that, I can't agree that Microsoft is doing anything wrong (yet)Feb 10 16:10
oiaohmPast usa cases attacked have not been able to.Feb 10 16:10
fewtmorally or legallyFeb 10 16:10
oiaohmSo this mess keeps on going on.Feb 10 16:10
fewtbecause there isn't sufficient case law IMHO.Feb 10 16:10
oiaohmUSA patent system has trouble.Feb 10 16:11
fewtNo doubtFeb 10 16:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] W3C co-chair: Apple, Google power causing Open Web crisis - http://cnet.co/z2TCvX IE6 all overagain - but not MS's faultFeb 10 16:11
oiaohmMicrosoft and patent trolls exploit it.Feb 10 16:11
oiaohmTo get bigger payments.Feb 10 16:11
oiaohmRemember most patent deals are done so much per patent on the list.Feb 10 16:11
oiaohmSo every extra you get in is more money.Feb 10 16:12
fewtPatent trolls are shell companies that collect patents with the intent of litigating to profit.Feb 10 16:12
fewtThey are morally unacceptableFeb 10 16:12
fewtCompanies though that build a patent portfolio around products that exist or have existed that use those patents to stop, or collect royalties from other companies that use them for profit, that's morally grey to morally acceptable.Feb 10 16:13
oiaohmIf those patents are good enough to take to courtFeb 10 16:13
fewtIMHO of courseFeb 10 16:14
oiaohmLike the Oracle vs Google case.Feb 10 16:14
oiaohmOk lot of Oracle patents have turned out to be voidFeb 10 16:14
oiaohmBut Oracle did not threaten with a list then go hey lets side a few off the table.Feb 10 16:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] The Economist carries a short article on #ACTA: Protests across Europe may kill an anti-piracy treaty http://ur1.ca/83ac4Feb 10 16:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] The Economist on #ACTA: Protests across Europe may kill an anti-piracy treaty http://ur1.ca/83ac4Feb 10 16:14
oiaohmOracle attempt to enforce patents I have no issue with.  fewtFeb 10 16:15
oiaohmIt fair and above board.Feb 10 16:15
oiaohmAnd they will take there lumps.Feb 10 16:15
fewtI'd argue that if the same amount of effort used to take apart Microsoft's royalty collection attempts was aimed at other companies, you would find a "FAT" patent in all of them.Feb 10 16:15
oiaohmIBM enforcement of patents is the same.  Apple is mostly fair.Feb 10 16:15
fewtchances are.Feb 10 16:16
oiaohmReally IBM refunds.Feb 10 16:16
oiaohmIBM and Orcale might have a fat class patent.Feb 10 16:16
oiaohmBut they don't slide them off the table when they go to court.Feb 10 16:16
oiaohmThey take the lumps for the error.Feb 10 16:16
oiaohm522 in this case MS is attempt to drop claim.Feb 10 16:17
oiaohmSo the patent does not get voided as well fewtFeb 10 16:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Copyright extensions are Grand Theft (and more on hypocrisy of Big Media): http://rys.io/en/60 !cc !copyfraudFeb 10 16:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] Looks like I repeated myself. The Economist article isn't *that* good.Feb 10 16:18
oiaohm1992 MS programming guide documents 522 prior art fewtFeb 10 16:18
oiaohmSo MS cannot really claim they did not know.Feb 10 16:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] 'Mpodern history is told by people who won the lottery.'Feb 10 16:19
fewtoiaohm - this has been an enjoyable debate, thanks for keeping it objective. :DFeb 10 16:20
JeremiahYno kiddingFeb 10 16:20
JeremiahYI'm just watching mostlyFeb 10 16:20
fewtnormally I get called a $hill by the third comment hehFeb 10 16:20
oiaohmfewt: I get called worseFeb 10 16:21
oiaohmMostly because I can remember the facts just not always where the source documents are.Feb 10 16:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Your account should work, @erik998.Feb 10 16:23
fewtPeople often mistake my desire to look at things objectively and devoid of emotion as being an M$ apologist, even though if you google me you'll find that during the Microsoft trial I had no nice things to say about them. :DFeb 10 16:23
MinceRit might be simply a matter of how you say things.Feb 10 16:24
fewtpossiblyFeb 10 16:25
oiaohmfewt: I have been called MS apologist and a Linux TrollFeb 10 16:25
oiaohmBasically get over it.Feb 10 16:25
fewtI'm often called a trollFeb 10 16:25
fewtbecause people mistake my sense of humorFeb 10 16:25
fewt:DFeb 10 16:25
fewtThat's why fuduntu.org features trollface as our most used smiley. hahFeb 10 16:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Wydłużanie prawa autorskiego to kradzież (i jeszcze słówko o hipokryzji koncernów medialnych) http://rys.io/pl/60 !ACTA #debataACTAFeb 10 16:26
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JeremiahYwe don't take anything fewt says or does seriously Feb 10 16:26
fewtI've tried in recent years to make it more obviousFeb 10 16:26
MinceR:>Feb 10 16:27
JeremiahYb/c he's a M$ $hillFeb 10 16:27
fewtlike our new unaughty desktop which will totally pwn Ubuntu's unity.Feb 10 16:27
MinceRwhat is unaughty, exactly?Feb 10 16:27
oiaohmReally MS Shill is normally worse they cannot stand losing.Feb 10 16:27
fewtnothingFeb 10 16:27
fewta jokeFeb 10 16:27
oiaohmI ran into one trying to make the case that Linux require reboots recently.Feb 10 16:27
oiaohmOk its bogus but hey.Feb 10 16:27
fewtI told someone to reboot Ubuntu yesterdayFeb 10 16:28
fewt:DFeb 10 16:28
oiaohmTo run Linux without reboots requires skills.Feb 10 16:28
fewtto run Linux without reboots does require skillFeb 10 16:28
fewtand a lack of a desire to patch the kernelFeb 10 16:28
JeremiahYI don't even get why that's a talking pointFeb 10 16:28
fewt(especially since Oracle killed ksplice)Feb 10 16:28
fewtJeremiah +Feb 10 16:28
oiaohmksplice commerical still works.Feb 10 16:28
oiaohmand the old ksplice still work as good as it always did.  fewtFeb 10 16:29
fewtdoes it?Feb 10 16:29
oiaohmOf course using raw ksplice takes some serous skills.Feb 10 16:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] .. at Sothhampton.Feb 10 16:29
fewtI thought Oracle had killed the commercial product for everything but Oracle LinuxFeb 10 16:29
fewtexisting contracts got an exceptionFeb 10 16:30
fewtI have no interest in ksplice, it only takes a minute to rebootFeb 10 16:30
JeremiahYexactlyFeb 10 16:31
JeremiahYwhat modern hardware takes so long to reboot that not rebooting is important?Feb 10 16:31
fewtWell built apps can withstand a reboot of any one nodeFeb 10 16:31
fewtdesktops, meh. :DFeb 10 16:31
oiaohmhttp://www.ksplice.com/uptrack/supported-kernels#Feb 10 16:31
JeremiahYenterprise applications/services usually have scheduled downtime anywayFeb 10 16:31
oiaohmfewt: Ubuntu is still supproted free.Feb 10 16:32
oiaohmUpto 11.10 in factFeb 10 16:32
amarsh04is there any way to script a GNU/Linux system to init 1 then automatically go back to multi-user networking state?Feb 10 16:32
oiaohmamarsh04: Ok how bad do you want to hit it.Feb 10 16:34
oiaohmkexec to start a new kernel is one option.Feb 10 16:34
amarsh04I'd like to do the equivalent of running "init 1" then hitting control-D to restartFeb 10 16:35
oiaohmRemember init 1 is a standard init patern.Feb 10 16:35
amarsh04kexec works fine but if one is just installing a new glibc and doesn't want to remount filesystems, init 1 and control-d is quickerFeb 10 16:36
oiaohmSo you can make a new init copying init 1Feb 10 16:36
oiaohmBut instead of displaying a promptFeb 10 16:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[torproject/@torproject] current status on #tor in Iran, http://ur1.ca/83g7hFeb 10 16:36
oiaohmit calls init for you multi user.Feb 10 16:36
amarsh04I see that when switching to single user mode it runs "init -t1 S"Feb 10 16:37
oiaohmReason I know one time when messing around I deleted prompt from single user and replaced it with a init 3Feb 10 16:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[serk01/@serk01] αφελης απορια:δλδ παραιτείστε πιστεύωντας οτι θα κερδίσετε τις εντυπώσεις εν όψει εκλογών?βεβαια μετοσους μλκς ψηφ/ους μπορει κ να σας βγει.Feb 10 16:37
oiaohmJust because users were selecting recovery mode on thick terminals.Feb 10 16:38
oiaohmto upset people.Feb 10 16:38
oiaohmNot like I need single user mode on thick terminals issue with those will all be server side.Feb 10 16:38
oiaohmJeremiahY: being able to only reboot on schedule is helpful.Feb 10 16:39
JeremiahYoiaohm: yeah, but crashes happenFeb 10 16:40
oiaohmJeremiahY: rebooting a machine with 512 G of ram is no joke.Feb 10 16:40
oiaohmJeremiahY: ??? how often.Feb 10 16:40
oiaohmHigh end hardware has hardware based bad ram detection.Feb 10 16:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] UK.gov: We really are going to start buying !opensource from SMEs http://ping.fm/JN7P3Feb 10 16:41
oiaohmMost common reason to be rebooting to stop the thing from beeping in high pitch about a dead ram stick.Feb 10 16:41
oiaohmHot swapping ram sticks is still an art.Feb 10 16:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Apple Files New Patent Lawsuit Against #Samsung In California http://goo.gl/YfPax the campaign to kill the competition continuesFeb 10 16:42
fewtoiaohm - that's why you have N+1 :)Feb 10 16:47
oiaohmfewt: you are missing the point.Feb 10 16:48
oiaohmwhen you reboot fully you lose the cache.Feb 10 16:48
oiaohmcausing a massive performance drop.Feb 10 16:48
fewtyou can manage thatFeb 10 16:48
fewtpretty easilyFeb 10 16:48
oiaohmHuge ram reboot equal mungel from hell.Feb 10 16:48
oiaohm512 G to one 1TB is where it starts becoming trouble.Feb 10 16:49
oiaohmUnder than yes the time is quite liveable.Feb 10 16:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Open source announcements and new FLOSSBOK initiative - http://bit.ly/ykRpFo "to outline the topics important for anyone studying FLOSS"Feb 10 16:49
fewtload balanced fibre with lots of cache on the storage can help even 512G to 1TB.Feb 10 16:49
fewtThere aren't a lot of scenarios where it makes sense to have systems with that much RAMFeb 10 16:50
JeremiahYthat's supercomputer levelFeb 10 16:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] After #SOPA and !ACTA we are on the verge of a long-needed, serious discussion about !copyright reform. We should all get ready for it !cc.Feb 10 16:59
JeremiahYand even so you usually have individual nodesFeb 10 16:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Fashion (and other!) industry is fine without copyright protection. A great talk. ur1.ca/83gjd !cc !ACTA #debataACTAFeb 10 17:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Why does the morning BBC news show newspaper news coverage? Free advertising for them or accepting BBC news is constantly following ..Feb 10 17:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] .. thir lead?Feb 10 17:01
oiaohmJeremiahY: complex rendering.Feb 10 17:03
oiaohmJeremiahY: Is the only time you end up in 512 G per node.Feb 10 17:04
JeremiahYwe use our cluster for thatFeb 10 17:04
oiaohmJeremiahY: source images are about 200 GB each.Feb 10 17:05
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oiaohmThat kind of stuff hurts.Feb 10 17:05
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oiaohmNot something that node splits well.Feb 10 17:05
fewtmakes senseFeb 10 17:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Andrew landsley says it is not just about him. Good job Landsley because if it is a toss up between you or the NHS you are forgotten ..Feb 10 17:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] .. about dead meat. #SavetheNHSFeb 10 17:06
oiaohmYes I would say unless you have a work load like that don't go above 256 GFeb 10 17:07
oiaohmSplit first.Feb 10 17:07
fewt+Feb 10 17:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #ACTA is Useless… and a Threat, Says Ex-EU Lead Negotiator - on.wsj.com/ygCpTH great must-read interview (v @StopActaNow)Feb 10 17:07
oiaohmReally I have seen a 1 tb machine reboot.Feb 10 17:08
oiaohmThey take ages to come back up to proper speed.Feb 10 17:08
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fewtProbably doesn't handle a single bit memory error well.Feb 10 17:08
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oiaohmfewt: It does memory controls at that size auto mask out bad ram.Feb 10 17:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] The Chromium Blog on the future of JavaScript http://ur1.ca/83go4Feb 10 17:09
oiaohmIts just the beep that put out that forces you todo something.Feb 10 17:09
fewteven a single bit hardware error?Feb 10 17:09
fewtThat's greatFeb 10 17:10
oiaohmThe beeper is interegrated into the memory controller chips.Feb 10 17:10
oiaohmSo you cannot turn it off ever.Feb 10 17:10
fewtI used to have large memory HPUX nodes that would recover from soft errors, but hardware errors caused boot loopsFeb 10 17:10
fewtentertaining to troubleshoot at 3amFeb 10 17:10
oiaohmfewt: You were running Linux with badram feature enabled?Feb 10 17:11
fewtthose were HPUCFeb 10 17:11
fewtheh HPUXFeb 10 17:11
oiaohmfewt: that listerns to ram checksum failures?Feb 10 17:11
oiaohmOk screwed then.Feb 10 17:12
oiaohmthat OS suxs with ram issues.Feb 10 17:12
fewtI haven't had any problems with Linux / Intel and memoryFeb 10 17:12
*fewt knocks on woodFeb 10 17:12
oiaohmIf Linux has badram support in.Feb 10 17:12
oiaohmAnd memory control reports check sum issue.Feb 10 17:12
oiaohmLinux auto zones out these days.Feb 10 17:12
oiaohmSame does AIXFeb 10 17:12
oiaohmWhen running large ram this a complete god send.Feb 10 17:13
fewtcool, wasn't aware of thatFeb 10 17:13
fewtTILFeb 10 17:13
fewt:DFeb 10 17:13
fewtI don't have any Linux systems with more than ~96GBFeb 10 17:13
fewtthose are N+1Feb 10 17:14
fewtFortunately HPUX died off years ago. :DFeb 10 17:15
oiaohmfewt: to be correct ecc errors of ramFeb 10 17:15
oiaohmfewt: Linux kernel does something really simple.Feb 10 17:16
oiaohmKernel just allocates the bad block and never frees it and never users it.Feb 10 17:16
fewtI'm happy to hear that it handles it.Feb 10 17:16
fewtbetter than HPUX ;)Feb 10 17:16
oiaohmHPUX I have great fun with fork bombsFeb 10 17:19
oiaohmI still with a custom fork bomb can become the only user on a HPUX being allocated processes.Feb 10 17:20
oiaohmYou can guess what that does to a poor HP unix machine.Feb 10 17:20
oiaohmYes I can run everything I want but no one else can run anything.Feb 10 17:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: Taking a step back on the #openaccess debate: The parable of the farmers & the Teleporting Duplicator http: http://p.ost.im/p/e9AXUrFeb 10 17:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: RT @NeelieKroesEU: Just had a very constructive mtg w/ D. Mijatovic, #OSCE Rep on freedom of the #media, ag http://p.ost.im/p/e9dkrdFeb 10 17:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: Jury to Eolas: Nobody owns the interactive web http://t.co/BrxbL4n6 via @radar & http://t.co/Tbi8lrWI http://p.ost.im/p/e9APATFeb 10 17:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: RT @NeelieKroesEU: happy birthday @marthalanefox! and well done with http://t.co/8oZc2JKP #EveryEuropeanDig http://p.ost.im/p/e98wxsFeb 10 17:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: RT @NeelieKroesEU: I talk eHealth with Scotland's @nicolasturgeon. BLOG: http://t.co/osSjnUOw #EY2012 #eHea http://p.ost.im/p/e9SqDqFeb 10 17:23
oiaohmfewt: http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/vm/hwpoison.txtFeb 10 17:23
oiaohmfewt: I was wrong badram patch is for poor users with dumbish memory controllers.Feb 10 17:23
oiaohmfewt: memtest86 can generate a map to feed into badram.Feb 10 17:23
fewtoicFeb 10 17:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mattl/@mattl] They allegedly still exist -- http://identi.ca/url/66357799Feb 10 17:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Elsevier, FooBar and #Content-mining – yet another Digital Land Grab - http://bit.ly/ydW1ew why #openaccess is indispensableFeb 10 17:24
oiaohmfewt: hwpoison is main line.  badram is still useful for forcing a state at start up.Feb 10 17:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Eric Pickles "We live in a Christian country and the Queen is it's head." So if you are not a Christian you are at the least a second ..Feb 10 17:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] .. rate citizen.Feb 10 17:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] First Neanderthal cave paintings discovered in Spain - http://bit.ly/ySsuZt sounds exciting #art #prehistoryFeb 10 17:26
fewtI haven't ever had a need to learn much about how the kernel handles memory.Feb 10 17:26
oiaohmLinux is mostly forgot about itFeb 10 17:27
fewt+Feb 10 17:27
oiaohmI will do it all nicely and auto for you.Feb 10 17:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @filipesaraiva: RT @araceletorres Tô com ódio dessa galera da unicamp exigindo arquivo em .doc e fonte verdana. Falta de noção!Feb 10 17:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] BitTorrent Piracy Doesn’t Effect US Box Office Returns, Study Finds - http://bit.ly/wojUDc "piracy linked to delay of foreign premieres"Feb 10 17:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Who is Pippa Middleton? (Context of phone hacking enquiry)Feb 10 17:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Hey @OkCupid, how about some SSL love? Secure your site to safeguard user data: https://eff.org/r.4ScFeb 10 17:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] r/3 Thanks to @kevie and @Weeguy I have heard of pepper Pig. But I had no idea that the latest Windsor wife was Pippa Middleton. I ..Feb 10 17:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] .. avoid royalist news as much as I can.Feb 10 17:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fsfe/@fsfe] RT @ilovefs Testimonials or why they love Free Software: http://ur1.ca/83h55 #ilovefs !FS #fsfeFeb 10 17:46
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Shared a post "So since everyone is currently digging out images of Linux history.. this is the original www.linux.org... http://b1t.it/aM1MFeb 10 17:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] A comparison of #privacy and #security practices on 8 major online dating sites (yes, it's bad news): https://eff.org/r.S9aFeb 10 17:54
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fewtGPL violation? http://www.ubuntu.com/business/desktop/remix (can't access the ISO without filling in the form)Feb 10 18:03
fewtAnyone have download linkFeb 10 18:04
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[serk01/@serk01] βρε γιδια,δεν κανει διαφορά αν ψηφίσετε κυριακή ή δευτέρα γιατι οι διαδηλωτές ετσι κ αλλιως δεν εχουν καμια καλύτερη δουλειά να κάνουν ;)Feb 10 18:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Wayland and Weston 0.85.0 released http://ur1.ca/83hkfFeb 10 18:16
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] 6 heartbreaking #privacy and #security flops on major online dating sites - and what you can do about it. https://eff.org/r.5SdFeb 10 18:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Friday's security updates http://ur1.ca/83hseFeb 10 18:33
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] Yes, of course the #Establishment assumed #Neanderthals were incapable of artFeb 10 18:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mattl/@mattl] See the rationale document for why RDFa wasn't used: http://identi.ca/url/66360803Feb 10 18:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] New Mobile Web 2 - Applications Course Open for Registration; Early Bird Rate through 1 March http://ow.ly/1hi68dFeb 10 18:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @stav: !onthisdate in 1996, !IBM supercomputer #Deep_Blue beat world chess champion Garry Kasparov for the 1st time. http://ur1.ca/83i2rFeb 10 18:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] caiu do grupo especial; espero que não faça escola ♻ @araceletorres: Será que o bloco do euro vai desfilar nesse carnaval?Feb 10 18:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] VirtualBox !Ubuntu 12.04 (Guest) Fixes http://identi.ca/url/66361764Feb 10 18:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] VirtualBox Ubuntu 12.04 (Guest) Fixes http://identi.ca/url/66361764Feb 10 18:54
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] MP #EricPickles seems happy to rush in laws overruling judges decisions when those decisions don't suit his agenda #ChristianityFeb 10 19:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] tradition is used as a handy catchall for the status quo, at one time slavery was traditional; #tradition is only repetition of an actFeb 10 19:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] if you do something regular enough, it becomes tradition, regardless of the actual act itself, war is a UK traditionFeb 10 19:09
DaemonFCanyone still make a decent trackball mouse?Feb 10 19:23
MinceRi donFeb 10 19:24
MinceRi don't know, but logitech?Feb 10 19:24
DaemonFCMinceR must work for themFeb 10 19:26
JeremiahYthat's the only company I know that still makes themFeb 10 19:27
MinceRyou must work for them tooFeb 10 19:27
DaemonFCbest trackball in all of Kazakhstan Feb 10 19:28
DaemonFChigh five!Feb 10 19:28
MinceRapparently Cherry still makes keyboards with builtin trackballsFeb 10 19:29
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] if you run into a wall at the same time every day, after a while, it becomes traditional, regardless of the sanity of the actual actFeb 10 19:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[serk01/@serk01] ♻@Antidrasex:Παπαδήμος:"Όποιος διαφωνεί, φεύγει."Είδες πυγμή που έχεις,όταν έχεις εκλεγεί από την πλειοψηφία του λαού;Σε ποιον να μασήσεις;Feb 10 19:34
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Ulotka na jutrzejsze protesty Anti !ACTA: ur1.ca/83iry ur1.ca/83is0 /ROZSIEWAJCIE #debataACTAFeb 10 19:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[serk01/@serk01] καζάκης vs μιχελάκης : go! http://identi.ca/url/66363589Feb 10 19:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] USians: Contact the Congressional committees studying FRPAA - http://bit.ly/yiY4bg help people access knowledge they've paid for #oaFeb 10 19:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Always A Gatekeeper: #RIAA Backs .music Proposal... If It's Only Limited To 'Accredited' Musicians - http://bit.ly/y4umaG they don't get itFeb 10 19:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[serk01/@serk01] απεργοί πυροσβέστες εκαναν το γραφείο του πρωθυπουργού μούσκεμα στις βρυξέλλες http://identi.ca/url/66364249Feb 10 19:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Happy 8th Birthday to @Flickr, the amazing photo sharing site with over 200 million CC-licensed images - http://goo.gl/kYhlKFeb 10 19:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] The Council of Europe's @edgeryders launches campaign for the #commons http://bit.ly/xjUnazFeb 10 19:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #SOPA Strikedown Aftermath: Old Media Cannot Tell The Narrative Of One Million People - http://bit.ly/wgzJ0S excellent analysis #ACTAFeb 10 20:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !FSF wants labels on free JavaScript code - The H http://ow.ly/908bwFeb 10 20:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is zuargo from identi.ca with 99 dents!Feb 10 20:18
DaemonFChttp://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h5353/showFeb 10 20:20
DaemonFCThe War Is Making You Poor ActFeb 10 20:20
MinceRThe War Is Making You ActFeb 10 20:21
DaemonFChttp://www.opencongress.org/people/show/300070_Richard_LugarFeb 10 20:22
DaemonFCHe's using an address of a house he sold in 1977 as his legal address to represent Indiana in the US SenateFeb 10 20:23
DaemonFCeven though he lives in Virginia Feb 10 20:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joshuagay/@joshuagay] "Why Software Should Not Have Owners" http://ur1.ca/2gawx You deserve free software. #fsf #freesoftware #gnu #gnuphilosophyFeb 10 20:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @x11r5: This is very interesting, for example, to writing and poetry. Easiest media to implement?Feb 10 20:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] FSF wants labels on free JavaScript code (H): http://bit.ly/wfhUBDFeb 10 20:31
DaemonFCI must admit that Opera 12 is looking really goodFeb 10 20:33
DaemonFCthey've worked all the kinks out of their OpenGL acceleration backendFeb 10 20:33
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Statement from @Amnesty International on #ACTA: Could open Pandora's box of potential human rights violations https://eff.org/r.4SeFeb 10 20:39
DaemonFC[15:39:31] <DaemonFC> I stumbled onto a particularly annoying Mozilla bug, and it got me mad at Google tooFeb 10 20:45
DaemonFC[15:40:28] <DaemonFC> The ANGLE library that Mozilla browsers are using is badly broken, it has been badly broken since they introduced it in Firefox early last year, it is still broken in Firefox 11 :)Feb 10 20:46
DaemonFC[15:41:18] <DaemonFC> certain WebGL functions reliably cause Mozilla browsers with ANGLE support to crash, on every P1 system, on the last several Firefox/Seamonkey releasesFeb 10 20:46
DaemonFC[15:41:45] <DaemonFC> it doesn't matter what video drivers you use, what kind of video card you have, whether you run the Mozilla browser on Windows, OS X, Linux, or any of the BSDs :)Feb 10 20:46
DaemonFC[15:42:28] <DaemonFC> and Google still offers you WebGL for things like Maps, even though it should be obvious to them what it will end up doing to the userFeb 10 20:46
DaemonFC[15:43:01] <DaemonFC> it stores a cookie on the user's machine saying they prefer MapsGL resulting in what is effectively a denial of service attack against Mozilla users when they use Google MapsFeb 10 20:46
DaemonFC[15:43:18] <DaemonFC> there's no way to back that preference out other than finding and deleting the proper cookieFeb 10 20:46
DaemonFC[15:43:43] <DaemonFC> I have to assume that Google knows what they're doing and this is some perverse way of promoting ChromeFeb 10 20:46
DaemonFC[15:44:13] <DaemonFC> and as for Mozilla, shame on them for not fixing their software with such a severe and easily reproducible bug and given over a year to fix itFeb 10 20:46
DaemonFC[15:44:50] <DaemonFC> but it doesn't end there... It won't offer MapsGL to Opera users even though Opera can run it with no troublesFeb 10 20:46
DaemonFC[15:45:03] <DaemonFC> oh right, give it to the browser that you compete with that chokes on itFeb 10 20:46
DaemonFC[15:45:11] <DaemonFC> don't offer it to a competitor that can run itFeb 10 20:46
DaemonFC[15:45:14] <DaemonFC> nice one, GoogleFeb 10 20:46
DaemonFC[15:45:16] <DaemonFC> :)Feb 10 20:46
DaemonFC[15:47:01] <DaemonFC> since Google couldn't miss this and is using it as a DoS attack on Firefox users, it's obvious that absolutely ANY site can crash Firefox by putting in the proper WebGL codeFeb 10 20:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[serk01/@serk01] reality bites vol.2 από @tovytio http://identi.ca/url/66367561Feb 10 20:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[serk01/@serk01] ♻ @O_Kanalarhis: O ορισμός του timing http://identi.ca/url/66367640Feb 10 20:51
MinceRbetter block webgl thenFeb 10 20:52
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DaemonFC[15:47:51] <DaemonFC> I'm so mad that I can't even see straight. Every browser sucks. Not one browser spared.Feb 10 20:58
DaemonFC[15:48:23] <BluesKaj> also google earth has been useless on kubuntu since 10.10 , on my pc at least..all that lsb-core stuff was supposed to fix , but that lasted only a little whileFeb 10 20:58
DaemonFC[15:48:27] * DaemonFC goes into the bushes to curse and screamFeb 10 20:58
DaemonFC[15:48:50] <DaemonFC> oh god, don't get me started on Google EarthFeb 10 20:58
DaemonFC[15:48:54] <DaemonFC> 286 dependenciesFeb 10 20:58
DaemonFC[15:49:11] <DaemonFC> 32-bit software packed in a DEB that says it is for X86-64Feb 10 20:58
DaemonFC[15:49:18] <BluesKaj> yupFeb 10 20:58
DaemonFC[15:49:28] <DaemonFC> statically linked Qt3 with a GPL exception making that nonfree tooFeb 10 20:58
DaemonFC[15:50:28] <DaemonFC> oh, and the latest versions have a horrible webkit-based browser that is self-contained in the Google Earth library tooFeb 10 20:58
DaemonFC[15:50:45] <DaemonFC> because apparently launching a url in the user's default web browser is too much to askFeb 10 20:58
DaemonFC[15:50:49] <DaemonFC> B-)Feb 10 20:58
DaemonFC[15:51:04] <BluesKaj> at least google maps runs on my pc ..a few small crashes , but it runs ..mostlyFeb 10 20:58
DaemonFC[15:51:10] <DaemonFC> Google's Linux software is horridFeb 10 20:58
DaemonFC[15:51:15] <DaemonFC> absolutely horridFeb 10 20:58
DaemonFC[15:51:43] <DaemonFC> and that's when it is Linux software, and not Windows software linked against Wine, in a DEB/RPM that is pretending to be Linux softwareFeb 10 20:58
DaemonFC[15:52:22] <DaemonFC> yeah, in Opera 12's case, it doesn't matter so much that Maps users can't get WebGLFeb 10 20:58
DaemonFC[15:52:36] <DaemonFC> because Opera renders everything with OpenGL now anyway unless your drivers suck hardFeb 10 20:58
DaemonFC[15:52:37] <DaemonFC> :)Feb 10 20:58
DaemonFC[15:52:58] <BluesKaj> webgl mostly froze on my pcFeb 10 20:58
DaemonFC[15:53:47] <DaemonFC> Opera 12's blacklist only affects users of free/open source video drivers if they use a version of Mesa older than 7.10.3Feb 10 20:58
DaemonFC[15:54:12] <DaemonFC> so anyone using Ubuntu 11.04 or later, it should just work (obviously it works better with newer drivers though)Feb 10 20:58
DaemonFC[15:54:32] <DaemonFC> Mozilla blocks everything but Nvidia's blobFeb 10 20:59
DaemonFC[15:54:55] <DaemonFC> if you force it on with any driver using Mesa, it will render slowly and leak memory at the rate of a few hundred MB per minuteFeb 10 20:59
DaemonFC[15:55:22] <DaemonFC> if you force it on with AMD Catalyst drivers, it will (depending on Catalyst version) either crash or render everything upside down and backwardsFeb 10 20:59
DaemonFC[15:55:22] <DaemonFC> :)Feb 10 20:59
DaemonFC[15:56:12] <DaemonFC> so basically whatever way you go, to get everything working right there's going to be some nonfree software involvedFeb 10 20:59
DaemonFC[15:56:29] <DaemonFC> if you use Opera, which is nonfree, you get to use free/open source video drivers Feb 10 20:59
DaemonFC[15:56:44] <DaemonFC> and if you use Firefox, and want it to work right, you will use an Nvidia card with the nonfree blobFeb 10 20:59
DaemonFC[15:57:05] <DaemonFC> I think if I'm going to end up with nonfree software in the mix, I'd rather it be in userspace and not contaminating my kernelFeb 10 20:59
DaemonFC[15:57:57] <DaemonFC> most people (including me) already have Adobe Trash, so the question is not one of whether those people are willing to compromise, merely how muchFeb 10 20:59
DaemonFC:)Feb 10 20:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @rms Urgent: Protest ACTA and TPP http://ur1.ca/83klbFeb 10 20:59
MinceR215923 < DaemonFC> [15:47:51] <DaemonFC> I'm so mad that I can't even see straight. Every browser sucks. Not one browser spared.Feb 10 20:59
MinceRi've been saying that for agesFeb 10 20:59
DaemonFCthe only thing about Opera that really sucks is their licenseFeb 10 21:00
DaemonFCif they open sourced it I'd drop every objection I have regarding itFeb 10 21:00
DaemonFCbut I can see why having the only browser that works right is a valuable trade secretFeb 10 21:00
DaemonFC:)Feb 10 21:01
MinceRif only they had that trade secretFeb 10 21:01
MinceRbut they don'tFeb 10 21:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: I wonder if @jenssegers still doesn't want to come to the office from time to time http://ur1.ca/83ktq http://ur1. ...Feb 10 21:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @Tuinslak En wie mag er dankzij de #NMBS 2 glazen whiskey drinken?Feb 10 21:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @Tuinslak eten om 16:30?Feb 10 21:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @Tuinslak iets in Sint Agatha Berchem? 'k Heb hongerFeb 10 21:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @KatleenJanssen @b_b_b_a_r_t nu nog de griffie in Gent vinden ;)Feb 10 21:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @lievenjanssen will you upload the pictures of last night? #okfnFeb 10 21:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: RT @stefroelandt: I just signed up for http://ur1.ca/83ktz because I support to create more opportuniti http://ur1. ...Feb 10 21:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @eff Statement from @Amnesty International on #ACTA: Could open Pandora's box of potential human rights violations https://eff.org/r.4SeFeb 10 21:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: RT @okfnbe: #FF @lievenjanssen @katleenjanssen @stefroelandt @woutvandenhove @pietercolpaert #okfn #okfnbe #boardFeb 10 21:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @rubenslabbinck @SjimiTweet wuk ester wel hebeurd?Feb 10 21:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] It would have been better if I'd said it right, although clearly you knew what I meant :)Feb 10 21:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] RT @fsf Announcing JavaScript License Web Labels http://ur1.ca/82ra4 #javascript #jquery !fsf !lp !gnuFeb 10 21:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Help us get online dating sites to step up their security. Send a quick email to @OkCupid: https://eff.org/r.3RFFeb 10 21:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fsf/@fsf] Don't forget about the European ACTA protests this weekend -- http://ur1.ca/7yytq #acta !fsf !gnu !lp !cc !linuxFeb 10 21:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Don’t let the U.S. pressure #Canada into a draconian IP regime https://eff.org/r.5Sf Bill #C11Feb 10 21:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Welte: Some comments on the heated debate on SFC / Busybox / Linux GPL enforcement http://ur1.ca/83ln6Feb 10 21:49
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @eff Don’t let the U.S. pressure #Canada into a draconian IP regime https://eff.org/r.5Sf Bill #C11Feb 10 21:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @fsf Don't forget about the European ACTA protests this weekend -- http://ur1.ca/7yytq #acta !fsf !gnu !lp !cc !linuxFeb 10 21:56
DaemonFChttp://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26715Feb 10 21:57
DaemonFClolFeb 10 21:57
MinceRlicense agreements that are displayed in tiny unresizable windows shouldn't be legally bindingFeb 10 21:57
MinceRi'm sure they're doing this on purposeFeb 10 21:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] That's it, I'm giving up on following diaspora links... too much javascript to fight my way throughFeb 10 22:04
amarsh04Queen Mary II live on the web cam: http://www.transport.sa.gov.au/data/outer/index.htmFeb 10 22:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] http://ur1.ca/83mk8Feb 10 22:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[serk01/@serk01] BBC News - Greece: Who is being 'bailed out?' http://ur1.ca/83mltFeb 10 22:16
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Forbes: #BBC has no #assassination info today. #Twitter @BBCLiveNews is a FAKE account not associated with the BBC / via @WhistlewrightFeb 10 22:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @x11r5 @jpope Now that i have a beautiful nightmare in #identicaFeb 10 22:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] What's so bad about the digital locks provisions in Canada's Bill #C11? @EFF explains: https://eff.org/r.S6jFeb 10 22:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] European Digital Rights: 10 European Commission myths about !ACTA http://www.ur1.ca/83a1o #EU !copyrightFeb 10 22:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: RT @NeelieKroesEU: Manneken Pis gets #112 savvy - 112 is the number you call on any phone in any EU country http://p.ost.im/p/e9hAbuFeb 10 22:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: New #EU_Commission ICT innovation programme call for proposals open until 15/5, including #opendata, #opena http://p.ost.im/p/eHKWxEFeb 10 22:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: RT @simonjbains: RT @MyOpenArchive: Open Access Directory has launched a list of social media sites about o http://p.ost.im/p/e9kRYgFeb 10 22:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Geist on HuffPo: Canadians Speak Out Against Digital Locks. But Who's Listening? http://www.ur1.ca/83muc !Canada !C11 !copyright !CDNpoliFeb 10 22:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #HBO show #Luck attacked over horse deaths http://goo.gl/e85mWFeb 10 22:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Nowack in the Globe and Mail: Can !Canada ’s version of #SOPA be stopped? http://www.ur1.ca/83mxt !C11 !copyright !CDNpoliFeb 10 22:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Rep. Spencer Bachus faces insider-trading investigation http://identi.ca/url/66372890Feb 10 22:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Who needs a spinning cube when you can switch between programmes with superkey 1,2,etc. It has to be the most efficient way.Feb 10 22:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] "Landsley is not only stuffing GP's mouths with gold but with power as well and they still won't back these reforms" #SavetheNHSFeb 10 22:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Rep. Spencer Bachus faces insider-trading investigation http://identi.ca/url/66372890Feb 10 22:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Citizens ask specific questions but receive form letters that don't even pretend to answer: http://www.ur1.ca/83n42 !CDNpoli !C11 !CanadaFeb 10 22:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Two new nuclear reactors to be built in Georgia, good writeup about them http://identi.ca/url/66373355 !scienceFeb 10 22:51
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fsf/@fsf] !FSF Supports Proposed Exemptions to DMCA Anti-Circumvention Rules http://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/supporting-dmca-exemptions !gnu !dbdFeb 10 22:54
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Schrödinger's Download: Whether Or Not An iTunes Music Sale Is A 'Sale' Depends On Who's Suing - http://bit.ly/woXi8p the gallFeb 10 22:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Most popular this week: Join the M revolution by @luisibanez | http://red.ht/AnIzw1 #opensource #openhealthFeb 10 23:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] tough question; perhaps let university know they are widely mocked around the Internet....Feb 10 23:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] indeedFeb 10 23:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] yupFeb 10 23:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] according to #Christian lobbyists "all" of the comments on this page are on their side http://goo.gl/LijKY - read "highest rated"Feb 10 23:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Greek police want #EU and #IMF officials behind bars - February 10, 2012 — RT News line http://goo.gl/qYjtF #greece #collapseFeb 10 23:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Citizens ask specific questions but receive form letters that don't even pretend to answer: http://www.ur1.ca/83n42 !CDNpoli !C11 !CanadaFeb 10 23:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] How Much Of The Collapse Of Recorded Music Sales Revenue Was Due To The End Of Illegal Price Fixing? - http://bit.ly/AAPndt important pointFeb 10 23:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mattl/@mattl] The t-shirt design has the conference logo on it, but the graphic we've put up on the website is just a representation.Feb 10 23:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Vancouver Sun's @gillianshaw ⇒Canadians protest: Don’t lock down the Internet http://www.ur1.ca/83ogg !C11 !CDNpoli #canyouhearusnowFeb 10 23:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @dtapscott: Can You Hear Us Now? ⇒public opposition to !C11 digital lock rules http://is.gd/WXOZ9i #canyouhearusnow !CDNpoli !copyrightFeb 10 23:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] 935 Kontrollen. 125 mal Mangelhaft. 91 mal Staatsanwalt. Lebensmittelkontrollen in Bayern. http://ur1.ca/6pwv5... http://b1t.it/aNdvFeb 10 23:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] 'The #Economist' And 'Financial Times' Already Writing Off #ACTA As Dead - http://bit.ly/xlSZ3q pretty amazing, this #ftFeb 10 23:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Pink Floyd’s Roger Waters: “Wikileaks is a fundamentally important thing, and we should not allow it to go away.” http://t.co/w1dESMpWFeb 10 23:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Chantalismus 2.0 http://ur1.ca/83orrFeb 10 23:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] .. over to state paid for religious schools.Feb 10 23:58

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