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| msb__ | The people in it get kidnapped and "roboticized" by an evil ruler. | Mar 15 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | noadays the music channels too are void of ideas, just "hoes and dough" | Mar 15 00:00 |
| DaemonFC | cartoons are pointless entertainment at the very worst | Mar 15 00:00 |
| msb__ | Their friends attempt to de-roboticize them. | Mar 15 00:00 |
| DaemonFC | calling them subliminal Satanic programming is just stupid | Mar 15 00:00 |
| msb__ | Some cartoons are very good. This is one. | Mar 15 00:00 |
| schestowitz | the peer is vital | Mar 15 00:00 |
| schestowitz | peer pressure keeps the "Matrix" self enforcing and "contageous" | Mar 15 00:01 |
| schestowitz | if too many people exist the matric, those in charge risk losing the war for the minds | Mar 15 00:01 |
| schestowitz | like the old war against communism | Mar 15 00:01 |
| msb__ | Also the corporate media, and the JCI religion. | Mar 15 00:01 |
| schestowitz | chasing down ideas, killing them before they spread | Mar 15 00:01 |
| schestowitz | msb__: notice how all US politicians suck *** for the JCI | Mar 15 00:02 |
| schestowitz | they have to stick to certain rules | Mar 15 00:02 |
| schestowitz | that keep the status quo in ehck | Mar 15 00:02 |
| msb__ | Peer pressure -- funny! Like the reaction I get here when I talk about 911 research. | Mar 15 00:02 |
| schestowitz | otherwise they will be defunded | Mar 15 00:02 |
| schestowitz | 9/11 research is divided into stuff | Mar 15 00:03 |
| msb__ | Right. They have to be Jewish, Christian, or even Islamic. | Mar 15 00:03 |
| schestowitz | like, those different hypothesis | Mar 15 00:03 |
| schestowitz | the crazier one talk of holograms | Mar 15 00:03 |
| msb__ | That is intentional disinfo. | Mar 15 00:03 |
| schestowitz | likely so | Mar 15 00:03 |
| schestowitz | it humourises other stories | Mar 15 00:04 |
| msb__ | Designed to make people think the real 911 researchers are crackpots. | Mar 15 00:04 |
| msb__ | http://cosmicpenguin.com/911/disinfo.html | Mar 15 00:04 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Satan is a typo away from #Santa #anagram | Mar 15 00:05 | |
| schestowitz | what about those who say a missile struck the Pentagon? | Mar 15 00:05 |
| schestowitz | And those who claim one flight never crashed? | Mar 15 00:05 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: That could well be. | Mar 15 00:05 |
| schestowitz | And those who say other stuff that's extremely far-fetched? | Mar 15 00:06 |
| msb__ | I mostly deal with the WTC. The info about the other attacks is very sketchy. | Mar 15 00:06 |
| schestowitz | More possible scenario (IMHO) | Mar 15 00:06 |
| schestowitz | maybe apathy | Mar 15 00:06 |
| schestowitz | or | Mar 15 00:06 |
| schestowitz | Assisted terrorism | Mar 15 00:06 |
| schestowitz | but not demolition | Mar 15 00:06 |
| schestowitz | they don't need such a thing | Mar 15 00:06 |
| schestowitz | they could just aid terrorists, they do it every month | Mar 15 00:07 |
| schestowitz | the FBI is, for a fact, offering bombs every other month to entice some so-called terrorists and then claim to have stopped a plot | Mar 15 00:07 |
| schestowitz | They keeps the "war on terrorism" going | Mar 15 00:07 |
| msb__ | Very true! | Mar 15 00:07 |
| schestowitz | as long as the FBI gives offers of bombs | Mar 15 00:07 |
| schestowitz | Over 20 times now | Mar 15 00:07 |
| schestowitz | for a fact, confirmed | Mar 15 00:07 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: It's actually the War on You | Mar 15 00:07 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 15 00:08 |
| msb__ | But the plane hits did not knock down the towers. http://cosmicpenguin.com/911/ | Mar 15 00:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The 9-11 Attacks Were Perpetrated By Agents Of The U.S. And Israeli Governments .::. Size~: 21.56 KB | Mar 15 00:08 |
| schestowitz | the question is, without he FBI, would those arrested have even bothered making a bomb? | Mar 15 00:08 |
| DaemonFC | and that has been going on a lot longer than the so-called War on Terror | Mar 15 00:08 |
| schestowitz | It's like convicting people for thoughtcrime | Mar 15 00:08 |
| DaemonFC | this is just the latest phase | Mar 15 00:08 |
| schestowitz | [00:08] <msb__> But the plane hits did not knock down the towers. | Mar 15 00:08 |
| schestowitz | of course not | Mar 15 00:08 |
| DaemonFC | whatever rights they couldn't justify taking away from you because of drug dealers and child pornographers | Mar 15 00:08 |
| schestowitz | it was hear that weakened the metal | Mar 15 00:08 |
| DaemonFC | they invent terrorism to come back for the rest | Mar 15 00:09 |
| schestowitz | *heat | Mar 15 00:09 |
| schestowitz | not the impact alone, the girders were solid for a while before losing totally solid state | Mar 15 00:09 |
| msb__ | It was a cool smoky fire. Oxygen-starved. | Mar 15 00:09 |
| schestowitz | no, lots of good fuel | Mar 15 00:09 |
| schestowitz | very concenrated | Mar 15 00:09 |
| schestowitz | what were the flights'm destinations? | Mar 15 00:10 |
| schestowitz | It could have been a full tank on each | Mar 15 00:10 |
| msb__ | please read the 4 main points here: http://cosmicpenguin.com/911/ | Mar 15 00:10 |
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| schestowitz | you don't need a blast | Mar 15 00:11 |
| schestowitz | the impact of collision plus fuel should be enough | Mar 15 00:11 |
| schestowitz | why do you complicate it? | Mar 15 00:11 |
| schestowitz | Occam's-razor.it | Mar 15 00:11 |
| schestowitz | "rate of a free-falling object" is untrue | Mar 15 00:11 |
| schestowitz | it was slower than that | Mar 15 00:11 |
| msb__ | But the way the buildings fell -- the speed of fall, the girders blown sideways -- show that explosives were used. | Mar 15 00:12 |
| schestowitz | and there's no reason for them to TNT floor by floor or anything, as that in theory would only make it look less credible | Mar 15 00:12 |
| schestowitz | so your claim sort of weakens the theory | Mar 15 00:12 |
| schestowitz | it doesn't show any such thng | Mar 15 00:13 |
| schestowitz | show implies visual | Mar 15 00:13 |
| schestowitz | you assume | Mar 15 00:13 |
| schestowitz | you don't show | Mar 15 00:13 |
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| schestowitz | you can show the building falling | Mar 15 00:13 |
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| msb__ | I haven't measured the speed of fall myself. The result will depend on how you track the descending line of destruction within the dust cloud. | Mar 15 00:13 |
| schestowitz | and fake videos of so-called explosions | Mar 15 00:13 |
| schestowitz | measure the speed | Mar 15 00:13 |
| schestowitz | it's far from freefall speed | Mar 15 00:14 |
| schestowitz | it's a disinormation point | Mar 15 00:14 |
| schestowitz | which only discredits those who use it | Mar 15 00:14 |
| msb__ | alright, I'll measure it from a video. I should have one. | Mar 15 00:14 |
| schestowitz | "Below ground level, huge puddles of metal were found" | Mar 15 00:14 |
| schestowitz | No, not were found | Mar 15 00:14 |
| schestowitz | some firemen claim to have seen something | Mar 15 00:15 |
| msb__ | They were, but you refuse to believe it. | Mar 15 00:15 |
| schestowitz | that's not examinable evidence | Mar 15 00:15 |
| msb__ | And you also say that the thermite research was faked. | Mar 15 00:15 |
| schestowitz | likely so | Mar 15 00:15 |
| msb__ | Well, you're parroting the NWO propaganda line. | Mar 15 00:15 |
| schestowitz | and based on those points you lay blame on Tony Blair? | Mar 15 00:16 |
| schestowitz | How so? | Mar 15 00:16 |
| schestowitz | what do you want from the UK? | Mar 15 00:16 |
| schestowitz | Like 100 Brits died that day | Mar 15 00:16 |
| schestowitz | and there's no evidence of British anything there | Mar 15 00:16 |
| schestowitz | The hijackers were not from the UK, either | Mar 15 00:17 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Is Ubuntu becoming a big name in enterprise Linux servers? http://ur1.ca/8nnza #ubuntu #gnu #server | Mar 15 00:20 | |
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| schestowitz | prurigro: I've joined reddit | Mar 15 00:20 |
| schestowitz | http://www.reddit.com/user/r_schestowitz/ | Mar 15 00:20 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @opensourceway Join our BoF session with @jhibbets from #redhat @drupalcon next week - http://ow.ly/9DeVc #drupal #opensource | Mar 15 00:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @creativecommons Britannica is going away, but the future is bright with open collaboration and CC-licensed content on @wikipedia - h ... | Mar 15 00:21 | |
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| DaemonFC | a number of high profile sites run on Ubuntu Server | Mar 15 00:22 |
| DaemonFC | Wikipedia does | Mar 15 00:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @torproject Good posts on how to avoid risk and protect online identity: http://ur1.ca/8no1a ... | Mar 15 00:23 | |
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| MinceR | i ran ubuntu server before it was cool | Mar 15 00:23 |
| MinceR | </hipster> | Mar 15 00:23 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR: When you talk about Ubuntu Server, you're really meaning to say Debian with support options | Mar 15 00:24 |
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| msb__ | schestowitz: Where do I blame Tony Blair? | Mar 15 00:24 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @creativecommons The Global Journal covers education in digital times - Why Open Education Matters video competition: http://bit.ly/w ... | Mar 15 00:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Salix Live KDE 13.37 http://ur1.ca/8no2o #salix #gnu #linux #kde | Mar 15 00:25 | |
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| MinceR | DaemonFC: i'm the support :> | Mar 15 00:25 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: you say the british govt. is involved | Mar 15 00:25 |
| schestowitz | msb__: ^ | Mar 15 00:25 |
| msb__ | I just looked at ten WTC collapse videos, and couldn't find one that showed the whole tower so the collapse speed could be measured. | Mar 15 00:26 |
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| msb__ | schestowitz: So that was MinceR who said that, not me? | Mar 15 00:27 |
| formic_ | daemonfc - and newer versions of stuff | Mar 15 00:27 |
| MinceR | no, he meant to address you | Mar 15 00:27 |
| MinceR | but missed the tab completion :> | Mar 15 00:27 |
| MinceR | msb__: if you can find info on how tall a level of the WTC is, that might help with measuring it on such videos | Mar 15 00:28 |
| msb__ | "U.S./Israeli/British war machine" | Mar 15 00:28 |
| DaemonFC | http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?68606-Compiz-Is-Likely-To-Get-The-Boot-From-Fedora-17&p=249378#post249378 | Mar 15 00:29 |
| formic_ | the illuminati war machine | Mar 15 00:29 |
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| DaemonFC | LOL | Mar 15 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | "They even ported part of Gnome2 to Qt ?!?. Yea, I am not kidding, they really did. It is a mess. " | Mar 15 00:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | er, people use compiz? why? | Mar 15 00:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | its out of date broken shit that doesnt work alongside existing desktops | Mar 15 00:29 |
| msb__ | MinceR: But it still requires a video that shows the whole tower collapsing. | Mar 15 00:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | kde, xfce, and gnome all provide their own compositing wms | Mar 15 00:29 |
| MinceR | Diablo-D3: because shiny :> | Mar 15 00:30 |
| MinceR | msb__: oh, right | Mar 15 00:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | you mean crashy. | Mar 15 00:30 |
| MinceR | well, that's why i'm not using it | Mar 15 00:30 |
| MinceR | but the shiny is the reason people are using it | Mar 15 00:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | let me rephrase | Mar 15 00:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | they're fucking gentoo users | Mar 15 00:31 |
| MinceR | lol | Mar 15 00:31 |
| formic_ | damn I wish I used gentoo | Mar 15 00:31 |
| MinceR | lol | Mar 15 00:31 |
| *Diablo-D3 hits formic_ | Mar 15 00:31 | |
| formic_ | is it called a gnu/orgy | Mar 15 00:31 |
| MinceR | based on the new Orgy kernel? | Mar 15 00:32 |
| formic_ | from kernel.orgy | Mar 15 00:32 |
| MinceR | (multiserver like HURD, only more fun) | Mar 15 00:32 |
| formic_ | LOL | Mar 15 00:32 |
| msb__ | WTC 1 and 2 -- height 1360, 110 storeys, 12.36 feet/level http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center | Mar 15 00:34 |
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| MinceR | maybe if one of the non-full-tower videos had some sort of fixed reference point or something... | Mar 15 00:35 |
| MinceR | or if it includes the beginning of the collapse and shows its end and has no cuts in between | Mar 15 00:38 |
| schestowitz | i saw that | Mar 15 00:38 |
| schestowitz | a lot sloewr than freefall | Mar 15 00:38 |
| formic_ | http://xkcd.com/966/ | Mar 15 00:39 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.churchofeuthanasia.org/ | Mar 15 00:39 |
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| MinceR | formic_: nice | Mar 15 00:39 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] [$] LWN.net Weekly Edition for March 15, 2012 http://ur1.ca/8no6z | Mar 15 00:40 | |
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| schestowitz | if you search the web for material about this, you're probably likely to fall on so-called "truthers" videos | Mar 15 00:40 |
| DaemonFC | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Euthanasia | Mar 15 00:40 |
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| schestowitz | because people who just sanely say the planes took the buildings down don't use terms like "freefall" | Mar 15 00:40 |
| MinceR | lol DaemonFC | Mar 15 00:41 |
| formic_ | schestowitz - what about the toothers | Mar 15 00:41 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I hear it's growing extinct :-) | Mar 15 00:41 |
| schestowitz | on its own | Mar 15 00:41 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Mar 15 00:41 |
| schestowitz | a dying breed | Mar 15 00:41 |
| DaemonFC | The church's website previously had instructions on "how to kill yourself" by asphyxiation using helium. These pages were removed in 2003 after a 52-year-old woman used them to commit suicide in St. Louis County, Missouri, resulting in legal threats against the church.[4] | Mar 15 00:41 |
| DaemonFC | It's not hard | Mar 15 00:41 |
| schestowitz | "successful" religions teach you to spawn many kids | Mar 15 00:41 |
| schestowitz | like a baby machine | Mar 15 00:41 |
| formic_ | you got the dentist conspiracy being talked about by anti-dentites | Mar 15 00:41 |
| DaemonFC | helium tank, oxygen mask | Mar 15 00:41 |
| DaemonFC | maybe open the windows so that people who come for your body don't suffocate | Mar 15 00:41 |
| formic_ | toothers are rabbid anti-dentites | Mar 15 00:42 |
| schestowitz | and adopt laws like apostasy to make sure the mindless germs don't run astray | Mar 15 00:42 |
| schestowitz | "successful" religions discourage educatuion | Mar 15 00:42 |
| schestowitz | and some use violence to convert other "germs" | Mar 15 00:42 |
| formic_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mV7m6IIN_tI | Mar 15 00:42 |
| schestowitz | a religion that endorses killing of its own members will never grow | Mar 15 00:42 |
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| schestowitz | a religion that endorses killing of those not yet members will induce conversion | Mar 15 00:43 |
| schestowitz | this is why we end up with the most saddistic religions | Mar 15 00:43 |
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| schestowitz | that cut off parts of peoplle and carry a torture device on people's neck | Mar 15 00:43 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 15 00:43 |
| MinceR | gn | Mar 15 00:43 |
| schestowitz | cool god like thor are passe | Mar 15 00:43 |
| schestowitz | Thor is like a superhero | Mar 15 00:44 |
| schestowitz | ma kinda God! | Mar 15 00:44 |
| MinceR | Thor _is_ a god | Mar 15 00:44 |
| schestowitz | imagine playing religious wars with mythical superheroes | Mar 15 00:44 |
| schestowitz | that would be awesome | Mar 15 00:44 |
| schestowitz | it's like arguing over whether superman bears spiderman | Mar 15 00:44 |
| schestowitz | *beats | Mar 15 00:44 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: one of many | Mar 15 00:44 |
| DaemonFC | manbearpig beats spiderman every time | Mar 15 00:44 |
| formic_ | someone made a video game like that | Mar 15 00:44 |
| schestowitz | like in X-Men | Mar 15 00:44 |
| MinceR | http://winnie.nik.bmf.hu/mincer/filez/pix/0932godcomictb7.jpg | Mar 15 00:44 |
| MinceR | http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/imagebuzz/web04/2011/5/17/3/i-dont-see-many-ice-giants-around-11673-1305616610-36.jpg | Mar 15 00:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type | Mar 15 00:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type | Mar 15 00:44 |
| formic_ | a religions fighting game | Mar 15 00:45 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: good cartoons | Mar 15 00:45 |
| formic_ | http://www.molleindustria.org/faith-fighter | Mar 15 00:45 |
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| DaemonFC | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntary_Human_Extinction_Movement | Mar 15 00:46 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: we need to make a God-signal tech | Mar 15 00:46 |
| schestowitz | to tell him when there's trouble | Mar 15 00:46 |
| MinceR | so he knows when to not interfere? :> | Mar 15 00:46 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Mar 15 00:46 |
| schestowitz | "divine plan" | Mar 15 00:47 |
| formic_ | schestowitz - Faith Fighter | Mar 15 00:47 |
| schestowitz | it'll work out in the end, in "mysterious ways" | Mar 15 00:47 |
| schestowitz | formic_: FF, firefox | Mar 15 00:47 |
| schestowitz | FFFUUUHHHH | Mar 15 00:47 |
| formic_ | huh | Mar 15 00:47 |
| MinceR | well, he's omniscient so he Just Knows(tm) | Mar 15 00:47 |
| formic_ | I just had a battle between Mohammad and God | Mar 15 00:47 |
| schestowitz | is God is omnipotent, can he kill God? | Mar 15 00:48 |
| formic_ | Mohammad can throw meteors | Mar 15 00:48 |
| MinceR | sure, but he won't | Mar 15 00:48 |
| DaemonFC | . <-----Mohammad | Mar 15 00:48 |
| MinceR | or he will and then he'll return from the dead | Mar 15 00:48 |
| MinceR | or not | Mar 15 00:48 |
| DaemonFC | oh shit, better have someone else open my mail for a while | Mar 15 00:48 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Mar 15 00:48 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 15 00:48 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: he'll get stuck in recursions, he hates when it happens | Mar 15 00:48 |
| schestowitz | the Holy Spirit needs to press CTRL+C | Mar 15 00:48 |
| schestowitz | It's God's special secret... sheesh | Mar 15 00:49 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: He's real | Mar 15 00:49 |
| schestowitz | He's a pixel in my screen :-) | Mar 15 00:49 |
| schestowitz | maybe two, if you count antialiasing :> | Mar 15 00:50 |
| DaemonFC | maybe three if you use VGA | Mar 15 00:50 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Mar 15 00:50 |
| schestowitz | zdoes it not extend in all 8 adjacent pixels? | Mar 15 00:51 |
| MinceR | ah, the Holy Trinity -- Red, Green and Blue | Mar 15 00:51 |
| schestowitz | do you know the popular antialiasing algo that I think Apple has a patent on? (maybe just the hw-accelerated one) | Mar 15 00:51 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: And sometimes Yellow on an expensive monitor with a professional graphics adapter | Mar 15 00:52 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: that's like a trilogy that has five parts :> | Mar 15 00:52 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: if Red screwed green then you get son of blue | Mar 15 00:52 |
| MinceR | son of a blue? | Mar 15 00:52 |
| schestowitz | *would get | Mar 15 00:52 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Mar 15 00:52 |
| schestowitz | and blue would be nailed by creation of red | Mar 15 00:53 |
| schestowitz | and then you get a refund | Mar 15 00:53 |
| DaemonFC | THEY'RE NOT SEPARATE COLORS!!!111112 THEY'RE THREE PARTS OF THE SAME COLOR!!!!!1111222 | Mar 15 00:53 |
| MinceR | lol | Mar 15 00:53 |
| schestowitz | additive pallettes | Mar 15 00:53 |
| schestowitz | my God is 10 megapixels | Mar 15 00:53 |
| schestowitz | "My God is more polygons than yours" | Mar 15 00:54 |
| formic_ | my God inhabits the 11 dimensions! | Mar 15 00:54 |
| formic_ | and is powered by Perl | Mar 15 00:54 |
| MinceR | https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Homoousion | Mar 15 00:54 |
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| DaemonFC | My God was measured in millions of triangles per second, but then I upgraded my GPU | Mar 15 00:54 |
| schestowitz | God is polymorphism | Mar 15 00:54 |
| DaemonFC | my God has more Gigatexels per second than your God | Mar 15 00:55 |
| DaemonFC | :P :P :P :P :P :P :P | Mar 15 00:55 |
| schestowitz | God exits when you divide it by zero and crashes when he buffer-overruns | Mar 15 00:55 |
| MinceR | my god can beat up your god | Mar 15 00:55 |
| schestowitz | my god is a mirrorr | Mar 15 00:56 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Mar 15 00:56 |
| MinceR | lol | Mar 15 00:56 |
| *DaemonFC dials his god up to 11 | Mar 15 00:57 | |
| schestowitz | God is also Dog inn reverse | Mar 15 00:57 |
| *DaemonFC installs Gentoo and optimizes his God's cflags | Mar 15 00:57 | |
| schestowitz | So if you puts a dog's arse on his neck, you get God | Mar 15 00:57 |
| MinceR | Do dyslexic insomniacs lay awake at night and wonder if there is a dog? | Mar 15 00:57 |
| schestowitz | But... this god is... not for everyone... maybe ancient Egypt | Mar 15 00:58 |
| MinceR | yeah, there's this god but you wouldn't understand it | Mar 15 00:58 |
| MinceR | you probably haven't heard of it :> | Mar 15 00:58 |
| DaemonFC | I like the Egyptian creation myth, iirc it went something like Ra (the Sun god) masturbated and jizzed all over the Earth | Mar 15 00:58 |
| DaemonFC | and then there was life | Mar 15 00:59 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Mar 15 00:59 |
| schestowitz | there was | Mar 15 00:59 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you too can do that | Mar 15 00:59 |
| schestowitz | Rah Rah Rah... | Mar 15 00:59 |
| *DaemonFC rubs out some more civilizations | Mar 15 00:59 | |
| DaemonFC | OH YES, YEEEEEESSSSS!!! | Mar 15 00:59 |
| *MinceR sends Ra a naquadah-enhanced nuke | Mar 15 01:00 | |
| schestowitz | Why does Noyes promote DDG now? http://www.cio.com/article/702134/DuckDuckGo_Search_Engine_with_an_Eye_for_Privacy | Mar 15 01:00 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: stop squiting worlds, please | Mar 15 01:01 |
| formic_ | its more popular than startpage for some reason | Mar 15 01:01 |
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| schestowitz | you're not Ra | Mar 15 01:01 |
| DaemonFC | I noticed that in SG-1, several episodes anyway, they showed that the SGC was using IRIX | Mar 15 01:01 |
| DaemonFC | with Netscape Navigator | Mar 15 01:01 |
| formic_ | that show did start in the late 90's | Mar 15 01:01 |
| MinceR | i noticed that they kept using xchat with an extra nicklist or something | Mar 15 01:01 |
| DaemonFC | I know I've used Xchat on IRIX, but I can't remember how I came across it | Mar 15 01:02 |
| formic_ | a lot of movies and shows have linux in them i've noticed | Mar 15 01:02 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of "goodies" were in the "SGI Freeware" repository | Mar 15 01:02 |
| formic_ | probably because microsoft would want royalties, or perhaps because there are fans in the show | Mar 15 01:02 |
| DaemonFC | like a complete port of both GNOME and KDE | Mar 15 01:02 |
| schestowitz | apple pays for product placements in movies | Mar 15 01:03 |
| formic_ | yeah | Mar 15 01:03 |
| schestowitz | I'm sure based on how it's presented | Mar 15 01:03 |
| formic_ | the new mission impossible | Mar 15 01:03 |
| schestowitz | they then need to remove competition | Mar 15 01:03 |
| formic_ | its an 2.5hr apple ad | Mar 15 01:03 |
| schestowitz | like screens with windows | Mar 15 01:03 |
| schestowitz | or background logo | Mar 15 01:03 |
| DaemonFC | Like in Independence Day where he uploads Mac OS and jams up the alien computer and the ship blows up | Mar 15 01:03 |
| formic_ | they used an ipad to create a fake wall | Mar 15 01:03 |
| MinceR | http://blogs.developpeur.org/blogs/nicoboo/WindowsLiveWriter/FunNoslangagesdeprogrammationdanslesfilm_E585/fun_sg_cpp_2.jpg | Mar 15 01:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type | Mar 15 01:04 |
| DaemonFC | that's actually pretty believable | Mar 15 01:04 |
| MinceR | looks a lot like xchat, doesn't it? | Mar 15 01:04 |
| formic_ | DaemonFC - no, it was a virus he uploaded FROM his mac | Mar 15 01:04 |
| DaemonFC | right, Mac OS | Mar 15 01:04 |
| formic_ | he didnt give them mac os | Mar 15 01:04 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: looks like an algo in xchat | Mar 15 01:04 |
| schestowitz | sg-1 still uses motif | Mar 15 01:05 |
| schestowitz | they should hire me.. | Mar 15 01:05 |
| MinceR | well, the code is c | Mar 15 01:05 |
| MinceR | but the gui itself looks a lot like xchat | Mar 15 01:05 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: the indentation implies class structure | Mar 15 01:05 |
| DaemonFC | it could be worse than IRIX, they could have been using Windows Me or OS X or something | Mar 15 01:05 |
| MinceR | with the topic line, mode buttons, op/voice/normal counts, those gauges under the nicklist part | Mar 15 01:05 |
| MinceR | and the action buttons | Mar 15 01:05 |
| MinceR | and the input line | Mar 15 01:05 |
| formic_ | the police in my area use XP | Mar 15 01:05 |
| formic_ | lol | Mar 15 01:05 |
| schestowitz | doesn't look much like xhcta | Mar 15 01:06 |
| schestowitz | the nicklist has stuff below it | Mar 15 01:06 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: those are structs, not classes | Mar 15 01:06 |
| schestowitz | and the top has something like address bar, without chat title | Mar 15 01:06 |
| MinceR | yes, in xchat, the nicklist has action buttons below it too | Mar 15 01:06 |
| DaemonFC | formic_: Don't worry, when they need computers that can run Vista7, you're paying for it | Mar 15 01:06 |
| DaemonFC | so I'm sure it will be nothing but the most expensive | Mar 15 01:06 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 15 01:06 |
| schestowitz | there's line count in the main pane | Mar 15 01:06 |
| schestowitz | or strange symbols | Mar 15 01:06 |
| MinceR | compare with http://ostatic.com/files/images/X-chat-%5B3%5D.jpg | Mar 15 01:07 |
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| formic_ | why dont people call XP Windows 2002 | Mar 15 01:07 |
| schestowitz | maybe hexadescimal based on the number of chars | Mar 15 01:07 |
| MinceR | though this doesn't have the gauges | Mar 15 01:07 |
| MinceR | formic_: because m$ doesn't call it that :> | Mar 15 01:07 |
| DaemonFC | Windows XP was released in 2001 | Mar 15 01:07 |
| formic_ | they dont call it Vista 7 either | Mar 15 01:07 |
| formic_ | err, Windows 2001 | Mar 15 01:07 |
| DaemonFC | but then again, Windows 2000 was actually released in 1999 | Mar 15 01:07 |
| schestowitz | oh, weird position for the tabs back then | Mar 15 01:07 |
| MinceR | you can put the tabs where you want them :> | Mar 15 01:07 |
| schestowitz | aterm? | Mar 15 01:08 |
| schestowitz | so the CIO of sg-1 has a good taste | Mar 15 01:08 |
| MinceR | here's one with the graphic lag meter widget >> http://www-us.softsalad.com/screenshots/big/001/xchat_0c0c96.jpg | Mar 15 01:08 |
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| DaemonFC | It's pretty bad when about 40% of PC users are using some 11 year old Microsoft crap that's been warmed over a few times | Mar 15 01:09 |
| MinceR | yeah, it wasn't he usual macos crap | Mar 15 01:09 |
| formic_ | weird | Mar 15 01:09 |
| schestowitz | xp was released when I was a teen | Mar 15 01:09 |
| formic_ | im watching dexter, he has a mac but it looks like it has gnome | Mar 15 01:09 |
| schestowitz | many people still use it | Mar 15 01:09 |
| schestowitz | even some clients of mine | Mar 15 01:09 |
| schestowitz | they're dinosauurs | Mar 15 01:09 |
| formic_ | and there is an icon that says "C Drive" | Mar 15 01:09 |
| formic_ | like wtf | Mar 15 01:09 |
| formic_ | which os is it | Mar 15 01:09 |
| schestowitz | I use an OS from 2010 and consider it to be very old | Mar 15 01:09 |
| MinceR | iirc they had KDE in Heroes | Mar 15 01:10 |
| DaemonFC | that's because free and open source software improves rapidly | Mar 15 01:10 |
| DaemonFC | and Windows doesn't | Mar 15 01:10 |
| DaemonFC | you just get more DRM and it needs 10 times as many system resources as last time | Mar 15 01:10 |
| schestowitz | ~$ cd /home/ | Mar 15 01:10 |
| schestowitz | /home$ ls | Mar 15 01:11 |
| schestowitz | A B C | Mar 15 01:11 |
| schestowitz | /home$ cd B | Mar 15 01:11 |
| DaemonFC | Windows improves at the pace that Hollywood DRM demands the new subsystems | Mar 15 01:11 |
| schestowitz | error: drive not mounted | Mar 15 01:11 |
| schestowitz | errrrrr... FFFFFUUUHHHH | Mar 15 01:11 |
| DaemonFC | the improvements, if any, that are visible to the user are just a side effect | Mar 15 01:11 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html | Mar 15 01:13 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] THE DAILY STAR :: News :: Middle East :: #Israel stole uranium from U.S., report will show http://goo.gl/i2Zr2 | Mar 15 01:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] Floss Weekly 204 today featured DeltaCloud: http://ur1.ca/8nodo | Mar 15 01:16 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Russia Discloses The #Iran Ultimatum: Cooperate Or Be Invaded By Year End | ZeroHedge http://goo.gl/EyuYf #israel #usa #stateterrorism | Mar 15 01:25 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Google #censorship in #youtube continues to drive away notable critical thinkers http://ur1.ca/8np0k | Mar 15 01:43 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 14/3/2012: GIMP 2.7.5, Microsoft Has Massive RDP Hole http://ur1.ca/8np5b #techrights | Mar 15 01:53 | |
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| formic_ | Google Ideas Director Involved in ‘Regime Change’ | Mar 15 02:03 |
| formic_ | all I can say is "wow" | Mar 15 02:03 |
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| DaemonFC | you say "regime change" like it CAN be accomplished without murdering thousands of civilians | Mar 15 02:11 |
| DaemonFC | I am skeptical | Mar 15 02:11 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Mar 15 02:11 |
| Formic_ | Google Ideas was helping riots | Mar 15 02:12 |
| Formic_ | That's probably why nobody is talking about it | Mar 15 02:12 |
| Formic_ | "What? A corporation was helping our 'grassroots' movements?" | Mar 15 02:13 |
| Formic_ | a rhodes scholar no less | Mar 15 02:13 |
| DaemonFC | you hear about that all the time | Mar 15 02:13 |
| Formic_ | I do but people don't listen to me | Mar 15 02:13 |
| DaemonFC | some banana republic dictator blocking Facebook and Twitter and stuff like that | Mar 15 02:13 |
| Formic_ | nonono | Mar 15 02:14 |
| Formic_ | Google Ideas is helping the people who want to over throw their governments | Mar 15 02:14 |
| DaemonFC | I have an idea, let's overthrow the government! | Mar 15 02:15 |
| DaemonFC | cue public execution | Mar 15 02:15 |
| Formic_ | I have an idea | Mar 15 02:15 |
| Formic_ | let's not | Mar 15 02:15 |
| Formic_ | thats treason | Mar 15 02:15 |
| DaemonFC | Government: "Anyone else have an idea?" | Mar 15 02:15 |
| Formic_ | In Canada, treason is like the only crime that will get you killed | Mar 15 02:16 |
| DaemonFC | The US has executed people for treason, but it's extremely rare | Mar 15 02:18 |
| DaemonFC | even during the Red Scare, it only happened a few times | Mar 15 02:18 |
| DaemonFC | I'm still in the jury pool right now | Mar 15 02:23 |
| DaemonFC | I had to register for jury duty last year and they could still call me within the next month or so | Mar 15 02:23 |
| DaemonFC | If I really believed absolutely that a person committed a heinous crime, such as premeditated murder, then I would support sentencing them to death | Mar 15 02:24 |
| DaemonFC | but I think the standard of proof would have to go very much above and beyond the standard it would take for me to vote to convict someone | Mar 15 02:24 |
| DaemonFC | you can't bring a person back to life if it turns out you were wrong | Mar 15 02:25 |
| DaemonFC | so there would have to be no doubt in my mind that they did it | Mar 15 02:25 |
| DaemonFC | like "Oh look, he walked in and started gunning people down and there were 20 witnesses" | Mar 15 02:26 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Plucky rodent is on a winning squeak http://goo.gl/kQ6Oc lol great pic | Mar 15 02:50 | |
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| DaemonFC | AMD has released Catalyst 12.3 | Mar 15 03:15 |
| DaemonFC | only about a week after 12.2 since Vista 8 delayed 12.2 | Mar 15 03:15 |
| DaemonFC | http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/embedded/Pages/embedded_linux.aspx | Mar 15 03:15 |
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| DaemonFC | It's discomforting to know that Microsoft's Vistaware has such a toxic effect on the entire hardware market for x86 computers | Mar 15 03:16 |
| DaemonFC | delays in the Linux version of AMD's proprietary display drivers is not one of the more severe problems that the various incarnations of Windows Vista (including Vista 7 and now Vista 8) have made for Linux | Mar 15 03:17 |
| DaemonFC | but it is a very visible one | Mar 15 03:17 |
| DaemonFC | http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?69429-Catalyst-12-3-released&p=254212#post254212 | Mar 15 03:21 |
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| DaemonFC | Catalyst is one of those "stub drivers" that Linus Torvalds hates so much that "moves stuff into userspace" and "makes the kernel a nasty undebuggable mess" | Mar 15 03:22 |
| DaemonFC | the download link says FGLRX 8.95 | Mar 15 03:27 |
| DaemonFC | which is the version from 12.2 | Mar 15 03:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RT @lstench “ARCHOS Readies Transformer Competitor With New G10 XS Series”: http://ur1.ca/8nqe6 !android | Mar 15 03:53 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Australia: What MPs Know About Assange | New Matilda http://t.co/jLlfeELv | Mar 15 04:01 | |
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| Formic_ | [23:17] <DaemonFC> delays in the Linux version of AMD's proprietary display drivers is not one of the more severe problems that the various incarnations of Windows Vista (including Vista 7 and now Vista 8) have made for Linux | Mar 15 04:14 |
| Formic_ | can't blame microsoft for AMD being pieces of shit | Mar 15 04:15 |
| Formic_ | AMD loves Microsoft, hope you knew that | Mar 15 04:15 |
| Formic_ | pure oss driver? free dev for the windows drivers | Mar 15 04:15 |
| Formic_ | http://www.microsoft.com/servers/missioncritical/Partners.aspx | Mar 15 04:16 |
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| Formic_ | they're in the same list with intel | Mar 15 04:16 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.pcworld.com/article/251820/exmicrosoft_employee_launches_fixing_windows_8_campaign.html | Mar 15 04:18 |
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| DaemonFC | Formic_: The open source driver project is being funded by AMD's embedded graphics unit | Mar 15 04:19 |
| Formic_ | ex-employee | Mar 15 04:19 |
| DaemonFC | and it's shared between Linux and Windows CE | Mar 15 04:19 |
| Formic_ | probably fired and hes disgruntled | Mar 15 04:19 |
| Formic_ | yes, thats so they can get free resources for the windows version | Mar 15 04:20 |
| Formic_ | since the same code works on both | Mar 15 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | well, the culprit there goes back to the MIT X11 license | Mar 15 04:20 |
| Formic_ | they can leverage OSS development to support their windows users too | Mar 15 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | under which the direct rendering manager, and Mesa code is under | Mar 15 04:20 |
| Formic_ | this way they can cut costs on staff working on drivers | Mar 15 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | if Mesa and the direct rendering manager were under the GPL, they couldn't get away with that | Mar 15 04:21 |
| Formic_ | paying staff means you gotta pay for benefits, salary and severance pay when you terminate people | Mar 15 04:21 |
| Formic_ | funding OSS development is far cheaper | Mar 15 04:21 |
| DaemonFC | AMD's GPUs have an abstraction layer that's more or less common between all of them | Mar 15 04:21 |
| Formic_ | AMD is a money losing company | Mar 15 04:21 |
| DaemonFC | so once you're running embedded GPUs, it's easy enough to extend that to actual discrete GPUs for desktops | Mar 15 04:22 |
| DaemonFC | and bring them up as well | Mar 15 04:22 |
| Formic_ | they even tried suing intel to get money for monopoly shit | Mar 15 04:22 |
| Formic_ | they settled and took cash instead of having actions taken against intel | Mar 15 04:22 |
| DaemonFC | well, yeah | Mar 15 04:22 |
| Formic_ | top of the line cpu from intel is $2000 | Mar 15 04:22 |
| DaemonFC | Intel paid them a lot of money to go away | Mar 15 04:23 |
| Formic_ | AMD is so desperate they are selling theirs for $200 | Mar 15 04:23 |
| DaemonFC | it's like women | Mar 15 04:23 |
| DaemonFC | they file frivolous sexual harassment charges against men | Mar 15 04:23 |
| DaemonFC | and then drop them when the guy starts waving settlement money | Mar 15 04:23 |
| Formic_ | there was nothing frivolous about the intel monopoly | Mar 15 04:23 |
| Formic_ | Intel knows amd can't compete anymore, thats why they sell $2000 cpus for extreme gamers | Mar 15 04:24 |
| Formic_ | people do buy them | Mar 15 04:24 |
| DaemonFC | they did beat some actual concessions out of Intel iirc | Mar 15 04:24 |
| DaemonFC | Intel's compiler no longer targets and breaks or disables optimized code paths on non-Intel GPUs | Mar 15 04:24 |
| Formic_ | if you want a cpu that dies in 5 years, go amd | Mar 15 04:24 |
| DaemonFC | actually, I still have a K6/2 that still works | Mar 15 04:25 |
| DaemonFC | it is 14 years old | Mar 15 04:25 |
| Formic_ | does AMD's stuff work with intel cpus? | Mar 15 04:25 |
| Formic_ | no | Mar 15 04:25 |
| DaemonFC | you mean the Open64 compiler? | Mar 15 04:25 |
| DaemonFC | yes | Mar 15 04:25 |
| Formic_ | a K6-2? | Mar 15 04:25 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Mar 15 04:25 |
| Formic_ | I had a K6-2 500mhz, my pentium 2 233mhz was FAR faster | Mar 15 04:25 |
| Formic_ | you can find a lot more working p2's right now vs AMD | Mar 15 04:25 |
| DaemonFC | the Open64 compiler is also free and open source software | Mar 15 04:25 |
| DaemonFC | none of Intel's compilers are | Mar 15 04:26 |
| DaemonFC | in fact, a lot of Open64 code ended up being merged back into GCC | Mar 15 04:26 |
| Formic_ | why should intel care? | Mar 15 04:27 |
| Formic_ | if i made a compiler for my hardware, i'd make it for my hardware | Mar 15 04:27 |
| Formic_ | not someone elses hardware | Mar 15 04:27 |
| DaemonFC | it was a case of deliberately slowing down code on other CPUs | Mar 15 04:27 |
| Formic_ | and? | Mar 15 04:27 |
| DaemonFC | when the more optimized code should have worked | Mar 15 04:27 |
| Formic_ | dont use the intel compiler if you dont have intel | Mar 15 04:27 |
| Formic_ | GCC, llvm | Mar 15 04:27 |
| Formic_ | dont be an idiot | Mar 15 04:27 |
| DaemonFC | they didn't announce that they were sabotaging competitors | Mar 15 04:28 |
| Formic_ | im not even surprised intel slowed down other cpus | Mar 15 04:28 |
| DaemonFC | in violation of antitrust laws | Mar 15 04:28 |
| Formic_ | its an INTEL compiler | Mar 15 04:28 |
| Formic_ | you would ASSUME it works with INTEL only | Mar 15 04:28 |
| DaemonFC | no you wouldn't | Mar 15 04:28 |
| Formic_ | so microsoft is violating anti trust laws because they don't make IE work in Linux? | Mar 15 04:28 |
| DaemonFC | the fact that they broke it deliberately would have reflected poorly on them in court | Mar 15 04:28 |
| Formic_ | its their software, dont use it | Mar 15 04:28 |
| Formic_ | im sure intel put out in the documentation that the compiler would speed things up for intel cpus | Mar 15 04:29 |
| DaemonFC | the user of software that is proprietary does not get to choose which compiler built it | Mar 15 04:29 |
| Formic_ | well DaemonFC | Mar 15 04:30 |
| Formic_ | get ready | Mar 15 04:30 |
| Formic_ | im going to sue AMD because their dual core optimizer only works with AMD | Mar 15 04:30 |
| Formic_ | http://support.amd.com/us/Pages/dynamicDetails.aspx?ListID=c5cd2c08-1432-4756-aafa-4d9dc646342f&ItemID=153 | Mar 15 04:30 |
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| Formic_ | ANTITRUST | Mar 15 04:31 |
| Formic_ | derp derp, im surprised the INTEL compiler favours INTEL | Mar 15 04:31 |
| Formic_ | </sarcasm> | Mar 15 04:31 |
| Formic_ | no laws as far as I know require that you make a compiler work with your competitions cpus | Mar 15 04:32 |
| DaemonFC | I wouldn't use Intel again unless I just got an Intel system for free | Mar 15 04:32 |
| DaemonFC | they're horrendously slow and they run hot and they have buggy firmware | Mar 15 04:32 |
| Formic_ | nope | Mar 15 04:32 |
| Formic_ | an i5 outperforms amd's best | Mar 15 04:32 |
| DaemonFC | that Core 2 Duo system was by far the worst system I've ever owned | Mar 15 04:32 |
| Formic_ | because you had to pay to heat your house after having a lower temp cpu? | Mar 15 04:33 |
| DaemonFC | no, because it had bad firmware that deliberately caused problems for Linux | Mar 15 04:33 |
| Formic_ | on the cpu itself? | Mar 15 04:33 |
| Formic_ | bullshit | Mar 15 04:33 |
| DaemonFC | but you can ask schestowitz what happened with that | Mar 15 04:33 |
| DaemonFC | it was an Intel-licensed board | Mar 15 04:33 |
| DaemonFC | they should really demand higher quality than that | Mar 15 04:34 |
| Formic_ | oh, FOXCONN fucked up the firmware | Mar 15 04:34 |
| Formic_ | you want a demand for higher quality? | Mar 15 04:34 |
| Formic_ | what about all those shitty SIS, ECS, BIOSTAR AMD boards | Mar 15 04:34 |
| Formic_ | shitty SIS chipsets | Mar 15 04:34 |
| DaemonFC | I have an MSI board | Mar 15 04:34 |
| DaemonFC | no trouble with it | Mar 15 04:34 |
| Formic_ | shitty biostar boards with the AMD CPU soldiered into the socket! | Mar 15 04:34 |
| Formic_ | MSI is the worst company in the world | Mar 15 04:35 |
| Formic_ | BIOSTAR is MSI | Mar 15 04:35 |
| Formic_ | its the brand they use for their cheap shit that poor people buy thinking it gives them a good computer | Mar 15 04:35 |
| Formic_ | its one of the common boards computer shops sell as mobo+cpu combos | Mar 15 04:36 |
| Formic_ | with the cpu soldiered into the socket so you cant upgrade it | Mar 15 04:36 |
| Formic_ | Intel actually has rules against doing that | Mar 15 04:37 |
| Formic_ | If you hate intel so much, going with Intel's poor and white trash cousin AMD is no solution | Mar 15 04:37 |
| DaemonFC | my CPU is not soldered into the board | Mar 15 04:37 |
| Formic_ | you said you had MSI | Mar 15 04:38 |
| Formic_ | im talking biostar | Mar 15 04:38 |
| DaemonFC | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biostar | Mar 15 04:38 |
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| Formic_ | i can give you tons of amd only examples worse than your foxconn one | Mar 15 04:38 |
| DaemonFC | Where does it say MSI owns them? | Mar 15 04:39 |
| Formic_ | proves nothing | Mar 15 04:40 |
| Formic_ | wikipedia is not credible | Mar 15 04:40 |
| Formic_ | a lack of info doesnt mean its not | Mar 15 04:41 |
| Formic_ | even if they arent related | Mar 15 04:42 |
| Formic_ | MSI is low end | Mar 15 04:42 |
| Formic_ | biostar is low end | Mar 15 04:42 |
| Formic_ | asrock is low end | Mar 15 04:42 |
| Formic_ | foxconn is low end | Mar 15 04:42 |
| Formic_ | ASUS is high end | Mar 15 04:42 |
| Formic_ | gigabyte is high end | Mar 15 04:42 |
| Formic_ | DFI is high end | Mar 15 04:42 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Human fossils hint at new species http://identi.ca/url/67970411 !science | Mar 15 04:43 | |
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| Formic_ | on the intel side, you can get asus, gigabyte and dfi too | Mar 15 04:44 |
| Formic_ | oh, msi isnt the worst, i forgot about PC Chips | Mar 15 04:44 |
| Formic_ | having an msi motherboard is like buying that cheapo acer laptop | Mar 15 04:45 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Is Minister Lui the CEO of SBSTransit or is he the tpt minister? Why is he answering wherever trains breakdown? http://ur1.ca/8nsiq #fb #in | Mar 15 05:18 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] You know what my favorite thing about Rick Santorum is? Nothing. | Mar 15 06:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] Seems that Microsoft has succeeded at creating another layer of opacity for Windows 8: http://is.gd/5tdmEg | Mar 15 06:41 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Mozilla struggles with Firefox for Windows 8 Metro development - The Inquirer .::. Size~: 71.21 KB | Mar 15 06:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @FredoFredonis Gaan we beginnen dreigen Fredo? | Mar 15 06:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @FredoFredonis Ik ga niet die eenen zijn. Maar ik vind de heisa rond korte broeken belachelijk #dixit @t1mdp | Mar 15 06:48 | |
| scientes | i started reading this : http://lwn.net/Articles/486319/ | Mar 15 06:52 |
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| scientes | but when i got to "For the moment, Vagrant is focused on the creation of virtual machines for Oracle's VirtualBox, " i stopped | Mar 15 06:52 |
| scientes | oo howver its written in ruby | Mar 15 06:53 |
| scientes | and i like ruby | Mar 15 06:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] European Parliament Blocks Copyright Reform With 113% Voter Turnout http://identi.ca/url/67958146 !eff !fsf | Mar 15 06:55 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @ushcala arroz con leche, me quiero cazar... Every time I'm eating rice, so don't worry ;) | Mar 15 07:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Geohot targeted by police under guise of marijuana bust, wonder what he was going to talk about at SXSW http://identi.ca/url/67975835 | Mar 15 07:08 | |
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| scientes | https://jhalderm.com/pub/papers/dcvoting-fc12.pdf | Mar 15 07:14 |
| scientes | schestowitz, ^^^^^ | Mar 15 07:14 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fsmag/@fsmag] http://fsmsh.com/3733 I wish we could write native Android applications using Javascript. But it's a uphill battle! See here why! | Mar 15 08:33 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @FredoFredonis je zou beter je bar wat vroeger open doen. Wat is dat nu voor een uur, 9 ;-) | Mar 15 08:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Penumbra: Overture – Review http://ur1.ca/8nw4v #gnu #linux #games | Mar 15 08:43 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #CentOS 5.8 Screenshots http://ur1.ca/8nwa6 #redhat #gnu #linux | Mar 15 08:51 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] CentOS and Linux Mint Get Refreshed http://ur1.ca/8nwcg #gnu #linux | Mar 15 08:53 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] GNOME 3.4 Beta 2 Released http://ur1.ca/8nwe4 #gnu #gnome | Mar 15 08:56 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Interview with Ken Starks http://ur1.ca/8nwl0 #helios | Mar 15 09:05 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/nixternal/status/180214579907928064?iid=am-22609974913318014788536856&nid=4+status_timestamp&uid=26603208 | Mar 15 09:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Interesting FOSS project for managing schools built on RoR for schools by the Kerala state govt - http://ur1.ca/8nwoz #fb #in | Mar 15 09:08 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @nixternal: @schestowitz wait, you mean CentOS has screenshots of something other than the terminal :p I don't think I have ever seen a CentOS desktop | Mar 15 09:08 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1418398 | Mar 15 09:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Half-Life 2 Benchmarks On Linux Are Imminent http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA3MDU #linux #halflife | Mar 15 09:09 |
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| schestowitz | "Shame it's not for a native client, as old as it is " | Mar 15 09:09 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1419613 | Mar 15 09:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Google #censorship in #youtube continues to drive away notable critical thinkers http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRdf5TtJn4k&feature=digest_mon | Mar 15 09:09 |
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| schestowitz | "I wish people would get that there are a load of alternatives to YouTube. Blip.tv and Vimeo are particularly good. When it can use #FFMPEG instead of #Gstreamer, #Mediagoblin will be a good alternative, too. " | Mar 15 09:09 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Seven Tools for Improving Ubuntu Unity http://ur1.ca/8nma7 #ubuntu #unity | Mar 15 09:11 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #CalculateLinux 11.15 Has Linux Kernel 3.2.8 http://ur1.ca/8nwwo | Mar 15 09:20 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] this. this is awesome. go #Mozilla! ur1.ca/8nwx0 !Firefox !webdev | Mar 15 09:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Spotify Finally Launches In #Germany -- And Immediately Hits Data Protection Problems - http://bit.ly/zp5Te4 poor old #spotify | Mar 15 09:21 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Wirtschaftsdialog zum Urheberrecht: Über aber ohne Nutzer?! - http://bit.ly/zdp1Fc as usual... #ACTA | Mar 15 09:25 | |
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| schestowitz | Group rolls open source Android benchmark | Mar 15 09:30 |
| schestowitz | http://www.embedded.com/electronics-news/4237834/Group-rolls-open-source-Android-benchmark #android #linux | Mar 15 09:30 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Assad emails reveal a close watch on social media – and the need for Twitter to clarify some of its policies - http://tnw.co/AsvrdG quite | Mar 15 09:31 | |
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| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/91839032 | Mar 15 09:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Stav Prodromou (stav)'s status on Wednesday, 14-Mar-12 01:30:17 UTC - Identi.ca: What does that say about the #SteveJobs culture at !Apple? | Mar 15 09:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] #FindeIchGut: #DB Lounge in #Köln mit #Wickeltisch in der #Männertoilette | Mar 15 09:38 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Pfizer says Europe undermining drug innovation - http://reut.rs/xHKLdG has gall to complain about freeloading: cf. #TPP (v @jamie_love) | Mar 15 09:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Public sector IT chiefs given go-ahead to use #opensource systems for security - http://bit.ly/z3u6mE still needs saying? (v @czajkowski) | Mar 15 09:46 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Dobra, mamy pierwszą dyskusję filoficzną (taką serio-serio filozoficzną) na liście @hackerspacepl - achievement unlocked! :D | Mar 15 09:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] The .@docufoundation supports the Document Freedom Day #DFD: http://bit.ly/ype6Lh !libo #tdf | Mar 15 09:51 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] #Like: diaper-changing table in the gents' in #DB (German Railroad) lounge #Cologne | Mar 15 10:06 | |
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| schestowitz | going to the store soon to see if the UK permits phones without ID.. http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/b.png | Mar 15 10:36 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[serk01/@serk01] ♻ @catalternative: Ένα αντίο στον Moebius http://identi.ca/url/67981228 | Mar 15 10:46 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: culture - Ένα αντίο στον Moebius | www.athensvoice.gr .::. Size~: 48.84 KB | Mar 15 10:46 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[serk01/@serk01] "Algorithm Finds Thousands of Unknown Drug Interaction Side Effects - Slashdot" http://identi.ca/url/67985492 !rbnews | Mar 15 11:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[docufoundation/@docufoundation] LibreOffice 3.5.1 released, more than 400 developers: http://wp.me/p1byPE-g6 !libo !tdf | Mar 15 11:03 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2158866/mozilla-struggles-firefox-windows-metro-development Ha | Mar 15 11:04 |
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| schestowitz | maybe they should quick developing for it then | Mar 15 11:04 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: RT @iRail: Vlaamse Overheid over #opendata & #iRail - http://t.co/Erio3W7G | Mar 15 11:11 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[serk01/@serk01] "Watch how the Moon was formed" http://identi.ca/url/67985915 | Mar 15 11:13 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] High street outlets ignoring guidelines on providing calorie information http://gu.com/p/367ty #selfregulation never works | Mar 15 11:15 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: High street outlets ignoring guidelines on providing calorie information | Business | The Guardian .::. Size~: 276.56 KB | Mar 15 11:15 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Drug users might give up if the warnings were plausible http://gu.com/p/367gn #reefermadness | Mar 15 11:16 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Drug users might give up if the warnings were plausible | Zoe Williams | Comment is free | The Guardian .::. Size~: 279.01 KB | Mar 15 11:16 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Apparently the US gov can assasinate Americans on US soil - unless they're in Virginia! :) ur1.ca/8nzz2 | Mar 15 11:20 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: Had a great meeting with @noelvan2. If only all meetings could be this constructive :) | Mar 15 11:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Volunteers reading library books to kids will have to pay royalties - or at least that's what #SABAM wants ur1.ca/8n94v !copyfraud | Mar 15 11:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Union leader PR bashing authors of report calling for redistribution of their members salaries & fitness grading - how original #Police | Mar 15 11:50 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Union leaders seem to be in the role of "protect the most unfit of our members from reality because they pay their union fees" | Mar 15 11:51 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @psquid: What the? http://ur1.ca/8o0o0 - that's nuts :D | Mar 15 12:13 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @Liberationtech: RIAA chief: ISPs to start policing copyright by Jul12 http://t.co/jKzX17gv | Mar 15 12:21 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Hereby I propose a new type of #malware - #locationware -> similar to #adware, but hogging user's #location data instead of attention | Mar 15 12:23 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[torproject/@torproject] Activists targeted with malware: https://blog.torproject.org/blog/activists-iran-and-syria-targeted-malicious-computer-software | Mar 15 12:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Shared a post "Ubuntu vs RHEL? Take a look to the full picture!" http://ur1.ca/8o16b | Mar 15 12:43 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] TopCoder and InnoCentive making open innovation work for companies and contributors | http://red.ht/yeh8zv #SXSW | Mar 15 13:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Authors Can Sleep Easy Now; #Paypal Reverses Its Censorship Decision http://goo.gl/P0kZz | Mar 15 13:16 | |
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| MinceR | geekings | Mar 15 13:32 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks GI Files: The $10 Million Email Scheme - Al Akhbar (Lebanon) | http://t.co/1IbyqWEU #gifiles | Mar 15 13:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Microsoft's Open Standards Fairy Tale - http://bit.ly/yAiUOF will MS promise to be #opensource's Fairy Godmother? #FRAND #RF | Mar 15 13:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @sochack: Niezbędnik uczestnika i uczestniczki - do zapisanych poszedł mejlem, ale wklejam i tu, na wszelki wypadek: http://ur1.ca/8o1ec | Mar 15 13:40 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The $10 Million Email Scheme | Al Akhbar English .::. Size~: 34.84 KB | Mar 15 13:40 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: dicky | Mar 15 13:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft's Open Standards Fairy Tale - Open Enterprise .::. Size~: 103.82 KB | Mar 15 13:40 |
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| MinceR | XFaCE: huh? | Mar 15 13:40 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: just bein' sill | Mar 15 13:40 |
| XFaCE | y | Mar 15 13:40 |
| XFaCE | To Microsoft, open standards are a fair tale | Mar 15 13:40 |
| XFaCE | To Microsoft, open standards are a fairy tale | Mar 15 13:40 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 15 13:41 |
| schestowitz | Being standards-hostile is standard practice at the Vole | Mar 15 13:56 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @adundovi: Bad news: Mozilla forced to consider supporting H.264 http://ur1.ca/8o1ja #firefox #mozilla #patents #h264 #linux | Mar 15 13:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[serk01/@serk01] Sign to persuade the @UKHouseofLords to save the #NHS. #dropthebill Pls RT http://identi.ca/url/67990500 | Mar 15 13:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #TPP Talks Deadlocked; Still No #Transparency - http://bit.ly/ArtHGH some grounds for hope? #generics | Mar 15 13:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[serk01/@serk01] "ΡΕ ΑΝΤΕ ΣΤΟ ΔΙΑΟΛΟ!" from http://identi.ca/url/67990660 via @kartesios | Mar 15 13:56 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Shuttleworth: Ubuntu beats RHEL (H): http://bit.ly/z9CPks | Mar 15 14:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] The @CodeforAmerica brigade effect with @LocalWiki by @jhibbets & @kmcurry | http://red.ht/wiVKOr | Mar 15 14:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] A golden age of #opensource #innovation? - http://bit.ly/xKm2Hv you be the judge | Mar 15 14:10 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1420494 | Mar 15 14:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Penumbra: Overture – Review http://www.thepowerbase.com/2012/03/penumbra-overture-review/ #gnu #linux #games | Mar 15 14:14 |
| schestowitz | "I get a 404 error. Also, ~late. " | Mar 15 14:14 |
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| schestowitz | just installed a zabbix server | Mar 15 14:14 |
| schestowitz | quite simple even on centos | Mar 15 14:14 |
| schestowitz | `https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1420592 | Mar 15 14:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Seven Tools for Improving Ubuntu Unity http://www.datamation.com/open-source/seven-tools-for-improving-ubuntu-unity-1.html #ubuntu #unity | Mar 15 14:14 |
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| schestowitz | "I still use Gnome 2. :hipster: " | Mar 15 14:14 |
| MinceR | i used gnome 2 before it was cool | Mar 15 14:16 |
| schestowitz | I used the 1 series too | Mar 15 14:16 |
| schestowitz | didn't like it so much | Mar 15 14:16 |
| schestowitz | i switched mostly to enlightenment | Mar 15 14:16 |
| schestowitz | and finally to kde3 when it was stable and reliable | Mar 15 14:16 |
| schestowitz | kde4 is very solid now, very good looking too | Mar 15 14:17 |
| schestowitz | Today I decided to order "Therapeutic Angiogenesis for Vascular Diseases". The author is Mark Slevin, ISBN is 978-90-481-9494-0. He is actually a friend of mine, I mentioned him here before. http://www.springer.com/biomed/cancer/book/978-90-481-9494-0 | Mar 15 14:18 |
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| schestowitz | he uses Windows :/ | Mar 15 14:18 |
| schestowitz | I don't understand how people do work on it that's technical in nature | Mar 15 14:19 |
| schestowitz | maybe for those who just make presentations it's satisfactory | Mar 15 14:19 |
| schestowitz | http://www.springerlink.com/content/978-90-481-9495-7#section=794469&page=4&locus=10 | Mar 15 14:20 |
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| schestowitz | Mark works on - among other things- finding cures for cancers. Sadly, his father died from cancel last year. | Mar 15 14:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Just look at !Debian though » Reality Check on !Ubuntu's Enterprise Claims http://ping.fm/JHqhg | Mar 15 14:25 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Slovenia's Big Pay 'Wall' Has Made €26,000 - http://bit.ly/zepdWG a bit footling, no? | Mar 15 14:31 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Bundesregierung ist weiter für #ACTA - http://bit.ly/xbIBem boo, hiss | Mar 15 14:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] It looks like I was justly circumspect about that Anonymous OS http://goo.gl/YZReg http://goo.gl/o9o10 http://goo.gl/CPNzj | Mar 15 14:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] http://bit.ly/yOiSuL | Mar 15 14:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Computer Aided Design the FLOSS way: An Interview with Franz Reiter, lead developer of gCAD3D - http://bit.ly/yOiSuL sounds rather good #cad | Mar 15 14:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] This is cool: An open data standard for food - http://bit.ly/wXvu0d weird, but good | Mar 15 14:36 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Encyclopedias are like journalism: It’s better when they are open - http://bit.ly/zPy0rh but of course | Mar 15 14:38 | |
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| schestowitz | "It's generally a good article however CCSM is one of the surest ways to break a system. Caution! " https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1420592 | Mar 15 14:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Seven Tools for Improving Ubuntu Unity http://www.datamation.com/open-source/seven-tools-for-improving-ubuntu-unity-1.html #ubuntu #unity | Mar 15 14:40 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1420592 | Mar 15 14:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Seven Tools for Improving Ubuntu Unity http://www.datamation.com/open-source/seven-tools-for-improving-ubuntu-unity-1.html #ubuntu #unity | Mar 15 14:48 |
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| schestowitz | "Indeed it is. I think I remember my system crashing if I enabled too many effects with CCSM. :P " | Mar 15 14:48 |
| schestowitz | is it really THAT bad? | Mar 15 14:49 |
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| schestowitz | at first I thought it was as weird as in Mandriva | Mar 15 14:49 |
| schestowitz | in KDE it's all under kwin settings/effects now | Mar 15 14:49 |
| schestowitz | in Mandriva 2008 KDE came with Compiz | Mar 15 14:49 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @netlash @vreewijs toevallig een vergelijkende studie van online CRM's liggen voor ons? | Mar 15 15:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[torproject/@torproject] Protecting bridge operators from probing attacks: https://blog.torproject.org/blog/protecting-bridge-operators-probing-attacks | Mar 15 15:01 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Check out @freemusicarchiv's #SXSW 2012 Playlist: Free & Legal MP3s by 122 Artists http://bit.ly/zQAv0s | Mar 15 15:11 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] U.S.-#Korea trade deal is bad for both countries - http://bit.ly/wiiToE people waking up #tpp (v @PCGTW) | Mar 15 15:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Vimeo's new iPad app shows more info below video - even determine the CC license for viewing: http://bit.ly/wzJdOq | Mar 15 15:35 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] Call for Review: Media Fragments URI 1.0 (basic) Proposed Recommendation Published http://ow.ly/1i3XXm | Mar 15 15:41 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] Web Audio API Draft Published http://ow.ly/1i3XXn | Mar 15 15:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Free 6 week online course on how agriculture can play a vital role in cities under #CC BY by Michigan State U: http://ur1.ca/8o2cp | Mar 15 15:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Why Windows 8 server is a game-changer (The Register): http://bit.ly/wLIZfh | Mar 15 15:48 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] Libre Graphics Meeting 2012 Vienna needs donations to provide travel funding! http://redd.it/qxw5r !lgm !lp !gnu | Mar 15 15:50 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] "Einstein on the Beach Trailer" http://ur1.ca/8o2ex | Mar 15 16:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxfoundation/@linuxfoundation] NYSE's Head of Global Alliances & #lfcollab keynoter talks to us about opening up its middleware API: t.co/z6N6dieG #openmama | Mar 15 16:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] UK Scientists to be protected from #libel - http://ind.pn/w1OmjF can't come soon enough (v @kzelnio @BoraZ) | Mar 15 16:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Big data, algorithms, and Moneyball medicine - Part I by @leonardkish | http://red.ht/wWc7Ry #collaboration | Mar 15 16:06 | |
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| schestowitz | "Scientists to be protected from libel" | Mar 15 16:22 |
| schestowitz | What a crappy headline | Mar 15 16:22 |
| schestowitz | it means the opposite | Mar 15 16:22 |
| schestowitz | Which is what I suspected based on Glyn's remarks | Mar 15 16:22 |
| schestowitz | They are being protected from bullying through libel laws | Mar 15 16:22 |
| XFaCE | http://identi.ca/notice/91886774 | Mar 15 16:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @XFaCE (xface)'s status on Thursday, 15-Mar-12 16:17:07 UTC - Identi.ca: #Canadian Bill #C-11 – Harmful to Free Software - http://techrights.org/2012/03/15/bill-c11-analysis/ #copyright #Canada #DRM #GPL | Mar 15 16:23 |
| schestowitz | !google singh chiropactor uk | Mar 15 16:23 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Simon Singh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Singh | Mar 15 16:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Why we sued Simon Singh: the British Chiropractic Association ... | http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/blog/2012/feb/22/simon-singh-british-chiropractic-association | Mar 15 16:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - BBC News - Chiropractors' libel case dropped against Simon Singh | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8621880.stm | Mar 15 16:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Simon Singh wins libel battle against chiropractors - science-in ... | http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18780-simon-singh-wins-libel-battle-against-chiropractors.html | Mar 15 16:23 |
| schestowitz | XFaCE: ah, excellent | Mar 15 16:23 |
| schestowitz | I'll dent it when I'm done with work.. | Mar 15 16:23 |
| XFaCE | There was some weird shit that kept being added at the end | Mar 15 16:23 |
| XFaCE | seems to be gone for good | Mar 15 16:23 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] UK Scientists to be protected from #libel - http://ind.pn/w1OmjF can't come soon enough (v @kzelnio @BoraZ) | Mar 15 16:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] CSU-Netzrat legt 2. Positionspapier vor - http://bit.ly/zNS30W surprisingly clueful, especially on #ACTA | Mar 15 16:36 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] #Canadian Bill #C-11 – Harmful to Free Software - http://techrights.org/2012/03/15/bill-c11-analysis/ #copyright #Canada #DRM #GPL | Mar 15 16:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Thanks for helping CC @Kickstarter projects be successful! Let us know if you have one that needs funding: http://kck.st/e756JX | Mar 15 16:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] The power of Open. I like it! http://ur1.ca/8o3eb | Mar 15 16:38 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Overheard: Pi is only the 2nd geekiest holiday of the year. The first is May 4 ("May the Fourth Be With You") | Mar 15 16:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Hey Hipatia is back. It was down the last few times I visited. There are still errors, but at least it's up this time | Mar 15 16:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #PlaidCymru elect Leanne Wood as new leader http://goo.gl/zoavr | Mar 15 16:41 | |
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| XFaCE | MinceR: And so, a new era of Techrights begins! | Mar 15 16:42 |
| MinceR | how so? | Mar 15 16:42 |
| XFaCE | http://techrights.org/2012/03/15/bill-c11-analysis/ | Mar 15 16:42 |
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| MinceR | oh, nice | Mar 15 16:44 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: see? | Mar 15 16:44 |
| MinceR | congrats | Mar 15 16:44 |
| XFaCE | thanks | Mar 15 16:44 |
| XFaCE | over coming fear can be hard for sure | Mar 15 16:48 |
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| XFaCE | I think it turned out adequately | Mar 15 16:48 |
| XFaCE | jono: J! I made a post! On the Internet! | Mar 15 16:49 |
| jono | XFaCE, erm...ok | Mar 15 16:49 |
| XFaCE | jono: It's relevant to Canonical, in Canada. Hinthinthinthinthint | Mar 15 16:49 |
| jono | :-) | Mar 15 16:49 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Anonymous operating system prompts security warnings http://goo.gl/qlFDV #Linux | Mar 15 16:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] "Acupuncture for migraine prevention" http://ur1.ca/8o3sy | Mar 15 16:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] "Acupuncture for migraine prophylaxis | Cochrane Summaries" http://ur1.ca/8o3u2 | Mar 15 16:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Seigo: Spark becomes Vivaldi http://ur1.ca/8o3w6 | Mar 15 16:50 | |
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| Viper550 | About Bill C-11, I noticed there IS an exception for one major thiong | Mar 15 16:50 |
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| XFaCE | Viper550: Please share. | Mar 15 16:51 |
| XFaCE | From what I researched the "exceptions" were fairly vague and toothless | Mar 15 16:51 |
| Viper550 | "Paragraph 41.1(1)(a) does not apply to a person who owns a computer program or a copy of one, or has a licence to use the program or copy, and who circumvents a technological protection measure that protects that program or copy for the sole purpose of obtaining information that would allow the person to make the program and any other computer program interoperable." | Mar 15 16:51 |
| XFaCE | interesting | Mar 15 16:52 |
| Viper550 | (2) Paragraph 41.1(1)(b) does not apply to a person who offers services to the public or provides services for the purposes of circumventing a technological protection measure if the person does so for the purpose of making the computer program and any other computer program interoperable. | Mar 15 16:52 |
| Viper550 | Oh yeah, I'm breaking this DVD DRM so I can make it interoperable with my computer *wink wink* | Mar 15 16:52 |
| XFaCE | Can you post Paragraph 41.1? | Mar 15 16:52 |
| XFaCE | lol | Mar 15 16:53 |
| Viper550 | 41.1 is the general "No person may break DRM unless the multinational conglomorate says so" provision | Mar 15 16:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Copyright Math: a quantitative reasoning master class by Rob Reid - http://bit.ly/zio0cc sharp analysis, hilarious video - don't miss | Mar 15 16:53 | |
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| XFaCE | WEll, I noted that the amendment by the Conservatives that would have illegalized that too did not make it to the final bill | Mar 15 16:53 |
| XFaCE | "Coincidently (or perhaps not so), two proposed C-11 amendments by the Conservative Party for the clause-by-clause review suspiciously read like they were written by a Microsoft lobbyist: | Mar 15 16:53 |
| XFaCE | a new limitation on computer interoperability exception that restricts the use or disclosure of the information reproduced for the purposes of making the programs interoperable | Mar 15 16:53 |
| XFaCE | a new limitation on disclosure of security flaws that requires advance notice to the copyright owner unless it is in the public interest to have it disclosed without such notice | Mar 15 16:53 |
| XFaCE | http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6374/125/ | Mar 15 16:53 |
| XFaCE | We know all too well Microsoft’s behaviour in relation to interoperability/standards and security. Fortunately, it appears that these amendments did not reach the final version of the bill." | Mar 15 16:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Michael Geist - Proposed Bill C-11 Amendments: Gov Says No Changes to Digital Locks, Fair Dealing or User Provisions .::. Size~: 132.74 KB | Mar 15 16:53 |
| Viper550 | None of the amendments made it | Mar 15 16:53 |
| XFaCE | Viper550: A few did | Mar 15 16:54 |
| XFaCE | As Geist documented | Mar 15 16:54 |
| Viper550 | I mean, none of the "bad" ones | Mar 15 16:54 |
| XFaCE | arguable | Mar 15 16:54 |
| XFaCE | It seems that bill could be used for site takedown in the furture | Mar 15 16:54 |
| XFaCE | it sets the ball rolling | Mar 15 16:54 |
| Viper550 | XFaCE: We can already take down sites for that you know | Mar 15 16:55 |
| XFaCE | Viper550: When the isohunt case is done, we'll know for sure | Mar 15 16:55 |
| Viper550 | I voted NDP by the way | Mar 15 16:55 |
| XFaCE | I'm a member of the Pirate Party | Mar 15 16:56 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Trademark issue forces #KDE's "Spark" tablet renaming - http://bit.ly/yj16w4 </sigh> | Mar 15 16:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] RT @mcgrof Why I believe the #GPLv2 is important http://bit.ly/wDAWT0 | Mar 15 16:56 | |
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| XFaCE | Viper550: Thanks for pointing out that clause | Mar 15 16:57 |
| XFaCE | For now, I'll leave the article as is | Mar 15 16:57 |
| XFaCE | That clause is still vauge enough in my mind to not be clear cut | Mar 15 16:57 |
| Viper550 | I just think we need a "Paragraph 41.1(1)(b) does not apply to a person who circumvents a technological protection measure in order to enjoy their right to fair dealing under this act" | Mar 15 16:58 |
| XFaCE | Viper550: absolutely | Mar 15 16:58 |
| Viper550 | Or, I just hope they interpret it like that | Mar 15 16:58 |
| XFaCE | bbs | Mar 15 16:59 |
| Viper550 | or "to descramble a scrambled work or decrypt an encrypted work or to otherwise avoid, bypass, remove, deactivate or impair the technological protection measure for the purposes of performing an infringing activity" | Mar 15 16:59 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] MPAA Exec: Only We Can Make Content That People Want - http://bit.ly/AAbouC incredible, just incredible #ugc #sopa | Mar 15 17:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] 178 packages held from being upgraded here on !debian / !aptosid. what the heck? | Mar 15 17:01 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Keine Verzögerung: #ACTA jetzt im Europaparlament abstimmen! - http://bit.ly/ywKHd8 maybe a good idea | Mar 15 17:05 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Kevin Rose Will Join Google - http://bit.ly/Az8mxm but what will he do there? (v @davewiner @mpesce) | Mar 15 17:18 | |
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| schestowitz | Hehe | Mar 15 17:18 |
| schestowitz | How low can Digg go? | Mar 15 17:18 |
| schestowitz | The CEO, Adelson or whatever, left | Mar 15 17:19 |
| schestowitz | and now the the founder goes to the company he could sell to for hundreds of millions some years ago | Mar 15 17:19 |
| schestowitz | Digg now boats MS ads in the open source newsroom | Mar 15 17:19 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @glynmoody: MPAA Exec: Only We Can Make Content That People Want - http://bit.ly/AAbouC incredible, just incredible #ugc #sopa | Mar 15 17:20 | |
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| schestowitz | "Rose’s mobile app incubator Milk yesterday announced it was shutting down its only product, Oink." | Mar 15 17:20 |
| schestowitz | OInk? | Mar 15 17:20 |
| schestowitz | "Rose has an avid online following, stemming from his days as a host on TechTV and the long-running podcast “Diggnation.” Though Oink — which was a local recommendations app — may not have succeeded, it was able to hit 150,000 downloads in its first month." | Mar 15 17:21 |
| XFaCE | Viper550 brought up a good point | Mar 15 17:21 |
| XFaCE | Viper550> About Bill C-11, I noticed there IS an exception for one major thiong | Mar 15 17:21 |
| schestowitz | "That kind of ongoing fan engagement could be a boon to Google+, which has been criticized for low engagement and tricky user accounting." | Mar 15 17:21 |
| XFaCE | [12:49] <Viper550> "Paragraph 41.1(1)(a) does not apply to a person who owns a computer program or a copy of one, or has a licence to use the program or copy, and who circumvents a technological protection measure that protects that program or copy for the sole purpose of obtaining information that would allow the person to make the program and any other computer program interoperable." | Mar 15 17:21 |
| XFaCE | [12:50] <XFaCE> interesting | Mar 15 17:21 |
| XFaCE | [12:50] <Viper550> (2) Paragraph 41.1(1)(b) does not apply to a person who offers services to the public or provides services for the purposes of circumventing a technological protection measure if the person does so for the purpose of making the computer program and any other computer program interoperable. | Mar 15 17:21 |
| schestowitz | Says the Murdoch press | Mar 15 17:21 |
| schestowitz | and they link to WSJ | Mar 15 17:21 |
| schestowitz | part of the same anti-Google network\ | Mar 15 17:21 |
| schestowitz | Murdoch hates Google | Mar 15 17:21 |
| schestowitz | "Google had been very close to buying Digg in 2008, but the deal fell apart at the last minute." | Mar 15 17:22 |
| schestowitz | Yeah... | Mar 15 17:22 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: From the discussions I've seen however, those clauses are vague enough that they may not be effective in reality | Mar 15 17:22 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: Touched by a Microsoft? | Mar 15 17:22 |
| schestowitz | "into companies like Fab, Zynga, ngmoco, Foursquare and Twitter." | Mar 15 17:22 |
| schestowitz | He funds his competitors? | Mar 15 17:22 |
| schestowitz | XFaCE: yeah, MS helped finish Digg | Mar 15 17:22 |
| schestowitz | it lost credibility | Mar 15 17:22 |
| Formic_ | Murdoch hating Google is like Hitler hating Stalin | Mar 15 17:22 |
| XFaCE | That should be a new Wiki category | Mar 15 17:23 |
| XFaCE | "Touched by a Microsoft" | Mar 15 17:23 |
| schestowitz | molested | Mar 15 17:23 |
| XFaCE | Formic_: What do you think of the c11 article by the way? | Mar 15 17:23 |
| Formic_ | XFaCE - those laws don't effect me | Mar 15 17:23 |
| XFaCE | Formic_: Aren't you in Canada? | Mar 15 17:23 |
| Formic_ | ill do whatever I want regardless | Mar 15 17:23 |
| XFaCE | ah | Mar 15 17:24 |
| Formic_ | steven harper can kiss my ass | Mar 15 17:24 |
| XFaCE | Well, let's pretend you did; what do you think of the article? :) | Mar 15 17:24 |
| Formic_ | its a bit of good news | Mar 15 17:24 |
| XFaCE | (you did care about c11) | Mar 15 17:24 |
| Formic_ | yeah but thats what anonymous darknets are for | Mar 15 17:24 |
| XFaCE | Formic_: What do you think of *this* article? http://techrights.org/2012/03/15/bill-c11-analysis/ | Mar 15 17:25 |
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| Formic_ | havent read it | Mar 15 17:25 |
| XFaCE | Formic_: It's my first full length article posted by me on TR | Mar 15 17:25 |
| XFaCE | Formic_: So I want to be criticized | Mar 15 17:25 |
| XFaCE | :) | Mar 15 17:25 |
| Formic_ | one question | Mar 15 17:27 |
| Formic_ | why would someone supporting free software watch a non free dvd ? | Mar 15 17:27 |
| MinceR | because they want to see the content and they have no other way to access it? | Mar 15 17:27 |
| MinceR | or no gratis way to see it and they have already received the dvd? | Mar 15 17:28 |
| Formic_ | isn't that just as heinous as running mono? | Mar 15 17:28 |
| MinceR | not really | Mar 15 17:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Bunnie Huang's open Geiger counter: design notes and reference - http://bit.ly/ADB3yR cool | Mar 15 17:28 | |
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| MinceR | running mono makes much of your system depend on software patents and allows you to be held hostage on that basis | Mar 15 17:28 |
| MinceR | developing a distro that depends on mono does that to all your users | Mar 15 17:28 |
| Formic_ | software patents don't exist in canada for mono | Mar 15 17:28 |
| MinceR | watching a dvd becomes irrelevant patentwise the moment you finish it | Mar 15 17:29 |
| MinceR | they can tell you you're not allowed to watch it anymore and you can say "ok, i've seen it anyway" | Mar 15 17:29 |
| Formic_ | I don't see how the DRM provisions effect the use of creative commons material | Mar 15 17:29 |
| MinceR | but if they tell you you can't use your desktop and your applications anymore unless you pay them a huge wagon of cash, that's a problem | Mar 15 17:29 |
| MinceR | how often is CC material on DRM-encrusted DVD? | Mar 15 17:30 |
| Formic_ | its not | Mar 15 17:30 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] Indeed. Yet it is interesting that my #denticide was sharply criticized by some. | Mar 15 17:30 | |
| MinceR | also, if sw patents don't exist where you live, you might still want to consider others, especially if you're doing business with them or giving them content | Mar 15 17:30 |
| Formic_ | also, what prevents someone in a non drm country from doing the deeds, and then me downloading it off of them? | Mar 15 17:31 |
| MinceR | and it can of course get worse, for example they could make it so you only get to legally use their patents on a tivoized "pc" or appliance | Mar 15 17:31 |
| MinceR | not sure | Mar 15 17:31 |
| Formic_ | "they could" | Mar 15 17:31 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure how far do these drm-supporting laws go in that sense | Mar 15 17:31 |
| Formic_ | in the process they would have to bankrupt all the companies that sell individual components | Mar 15 17:32 |
| MinceR | doesn't seem like that to me | Mar 15 17:32 |
| MinceR | the companies seem to have already agreed to sell tivoized "pc"s for vista8 | Mar 15 17:32 |
| MinceR | at least on the arm platform | Mar 15 17:32 |
| Formic_ | those are OEMS | Mar 15 17:32 |
| MinceR | OEMs and their suppliers | Mar 15 17:32 |
| Formic_ | what if you build your own computer to: 1) avoid windows tax, 2) avoid eco fees, 3) get what you actually want | Mar 15 17:33 |
| MinceR | that's nice, as long as you can actually do so | Mar 15 17:33 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Is Piracy the New Advertising? - http://onforb.es/w1I90s well, obviously | Mar 15 17:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: RT @lievenjanssen: Proud to be part of this! RT @iRail Vlaamse Overheid over #opendata & #iRail - http://t.co/q ... | Mar 15 17:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: RT @edgeryders: #Opendata only works if you have civil servants + civil hackers, says @alberto_cottica http://ur1. ... | Mar 15 17:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: RT @AppsForGhent: Prijzen, jury en selectiecriteria voor #appsforghent staan online : http://t.co/97GtB5CD | Mar 15 17:33 | |
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| Formic_ | ASUS, Gigabyte, MSI, etc won't stop selling motherboards | Mar 15 17:33 |
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| Formic_ | They have a huge market for people who build their own computers | Mar 15 17:33 |
| Formic_ | Video card manufacturers won't stop selling graphics cards | Mar 15 17:34 |
| MinceR | they might start selling motherboards that refuse to do what you want them to do, though | Mar 15 17:34 |
| Formic_ | thats bullshit | Mar 15 17:34 |
| Formic_ | they make tons of money because people dont want the latest winblows | Mar 15 17:34 |
| MinceR | yeah, restricted boot and tivoization is bullshit | Mar 15 17:34 |
| MinceR | they don't exist! | Mar 15 17:34 |
| Formic_ | its a bullshit strawman arguement, and its validity only applies to prebuilt oem computers | Mar 15 17:34 |
| MinceR | same for treacherous computing | Mar 15 17:35 |
| Formic_ | yeah just like TPM was a bullshit strawman arguement | Mar 15 17:35 |
| Formic_ | you can use TPM to secure and lock down your own linux box | Mar 15 17:35 |
| Formic_ | so yes, its all completely bullshit | Mar 15 17:35 |
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| Formic_ | ask anyone who works at a retail computer parts store | Mar 15 17:36 |
| Formic_ | those stores would have to disappear too | Mar 15 17:36 |
| MinceR | so because it's undesirable, it can't happen | Mar 15 17:36 |
| Formic_ | there will always be unlocked down alternatives | Mar 15 17:38 |
| Formic_ | thats what im saying | Mar 15 17:38 |
| XFaCE | Formic_: Even RMS said that you shouldn't watch a DVD unless you have means to bypass the DRM. He didn't say "don't watch them at all" | Mar 15 17:38 |
| Formic_ | im not saying a prebuilt computer from HP or whatever won't be locked down with secure boot | Mar 15 17:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] Is "Piracy" even piracy? Absolutely not. | Mar 15 17:38 | |
| Formic_ | im saying; if you're not a stupid dumbass; there are options available | Mar 15 17:38 |
| Formic_ | instead of bitching at OEMs, why not support your local computer shop by buying a custom pc that has no microsoft involvement | Mar 15 17:39 |
| Formic_ | you already fund microsoft by buying OEM pcs from big companies | Mar 15 17:40 |
| XFaCE | Formic_: Or buy used computers | Mar 15 17:40 |
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| Formic_ | used oem computers had the windows tax | Mar 15 17:40 |
| Formic_ | used custom ones would be fine | Mar 15 17:40 |
| Formic_ | its like people want to keep buying windows licenses for no reason | Mar 15 17:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] #SWSX: Can You Tell the Difference Between a Music Freak and an Internet Geek? (Gawker): http://gaw.kr/wF5Nb5 | Mar 15 17:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Tell @BarackObama to bring US troops home from #Afghanistan by end of 2012 cc @whitehouse http://ur1.ca/8nl6v via @CREDOMobile | Mar 15 17:41 | |
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| XFaCE | Formic_: I think it's more likely that people don't think twice that there is actually a Windows license to be paid | Mar 15 17:43 |
| XFaCE | I bet most don't even realize it | Mar 15 17:43 |
| Formic_ | yeah but i mean the people who are fighting microsoft over secure boot preventing a linux install | Mar 15 17:44 |
| Formic_ | those people dont mind paying for windows, i do mind | Mar 15 17:44 |
| Formic_ | i hate the windows tax | Mar 15 17:44 |
| Formic_ | its more than the windows tax on android devicdes | Mar 15 17:45 |
| Formic_ | devices | Mar 15 17:45 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Thank #NPR for formally disavowing "he said, she said" journalism in favor of journalism that is fair to the truth http://ur1.ca/8o56y | Mar 15 17:45 | |
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| XFaCE | Formic_: If I had know at the time that I could have gotten a refund for the Windows license, I would have | Mar 15 17:46 |
| Formic_ | I remember when the Linspire people set up a website to sell people Linspire who were eligible from that lawsuit | Mar 15 17:48 |
| Formic_ | They promised to do all the paperwork for you | Mar 15 17:48 |
| Formic_ | rather amusing, linspire is pretty terrible | Mar 15 17:49 |
| XFaCE | http://toastytech.com/guis/linspire.html | Mar 15 17:50 |
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| Formic_ | lol | Mar 15 17:50 |
| Formic_ | I remember all the announcements about "Lindows" | Mar 15 17:50 |
| Formic_ | They had high ambitions of having it run both windows and linux software | Mar 15 17:51 |
| Formic_ | #fail | Mar 15 17:51 |
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| XFaCE | Corel Linux | Mar 15 17:51 |
| Formic_ | Corel Linux I had hope for | Mar 15 17:51 |
| XFaCE | Sure, it was Canadian | Mar 15 17:51 |
| Formic_ | I was also a huge fan of wordperfect | Mar 15 17:52 |
| XFaCE | when? | Mar 15 17:52 |
| Formic_ | before openoffice existed | Mar 15 17:53 |
| XFaCE | specifically which version(s)? | Mar 15 17:54 |
| Formic_ | 6/7/8/9/10 | Mar 15 17:55 |
| XFaCE | ah | Mar 15 17:56 |
| Formic_ | unlike microsoft | Mar 15 17:57 |
| Formic_ | you could take a file made in 10 and load it in 6 | Mar 15 17:57 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @bartnelis He, uw ex-werk had ook nog steeds een stap te veel naar mijn goesting ;) | Mar 15 17:58 | |
| Formic_ | my high school used wordperfect and back when corel linux came out I was excited about having wordperfect for linux | Mar 15 17:58 |
| Formic_ | now the only way i'd use wordperfect is if it became free software | Mar 15 17:59 |
| Formic_ | remember the old sheets for wordperfect dos that you would put on your keyboard with all the shortcuts? | Mar 15 18:00 |
| XFaCE | I never used wordperfect dos | Mar 15 18:01 |
| Formic_ | schools I went to did | Mar 15 18:01 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @p_vanostaeyen die heb ik niet zo ontaktisch ontweken, doch al preventief een faxnummer aangeschaft | Mar 15 18:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: http://t.co/ZYJjNKXQ Brieven versturen. Geen idee of ik dat goed deed | Mar 15 18:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] New iPad get's the iFixIt teardown treatment. http://ur1.ca/8o6af | Mar 15 18:13 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Second day of Kick-Off about to end with an offsite dinner and DJ party somewhere cool on Mallorca. | Mar 15 18:18 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] I cannot disclose too much ATM but expect Red Hat to be a diruptive player in the storage market. Red Hat Storage will soon show it's power! | Mar 15 18:28 | |
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| DaemonFC | for some reason, Ubuntu is now loading the btrfs module and several compression libraries the module calls even if you don't use btrfs | Mar 15 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | so I ended up making a blacklist-btrfs.conf | Mar 15 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 15 18:30 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: Hey roy, what happened to the TR spanish portal? | Mar 15 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | btrfs is actually pretty fat for a file system driver | Mar 15 18:32 |
| MinceR | what's worse, it happens to not be XFS | Mar 15 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | well, it does use over three times as much RAM as XFS does | Mar 15 18:33 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: xfs FTW | Mar 15 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | indeed | Mar 15 18:33 |
| XFaCE | I use ext4 for home and xfs for root | Mar 15 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | ryan@ryan-MS-7501:~$ cat /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-btrfs.conf | Mar 15 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | #Why the FUCK is BtrFS loading and calling yet more modules I don't FUCKING need? BLAAAGH!!!! | Mar 15 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | blacklist btrfs | Mar 15 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Mar 15 18:34 |
| XFaCE | Bu-but it's better, it's in the name! | Mar 15 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | well, the silly thing about people trying to use btrfs at this point is not so much that it's obese and slow, but it *is* obese and it *is* slow | Mar 15 18:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Shared a post "Hey, G+ users -- turn on 2-factor authentication for your Google accounts. Do it now. Why? Password-o... http://b1t.it/a6do | Mar 15 18:35 | |
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| DaemonFC | it's the fact that it's still eating data | Mar 15 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | and people routinely come into their IRC channel asking how to fix their partition up enough to even be mounted again | Mar 15 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | and told that they can't... | Mar 15 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 15 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | btrfs is pretty janky, despite the advertised features that I doubt most people will even use or know how to use them | Mar 15 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | transparent compression would be nice if this was like, 10 years ago | Mar 15 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 15 18:37 |
| MinceR | copy-on-write would be nice if we could finally drop snapshots | Mar 15 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | now it's just another way btrfs can eat your files | Mar 15 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | the solution to a lack of storage space is to buy more storage | Mar 15 18:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Thursday's security updates http://ur1.ca/8o6zu | Mar 15 18:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Being a Red Hatter has never felt better. A company that grows based on Open. People that deeply care about the values... http://b1t.it/a6ds | Mar 15 18:38 | |
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| DaemonFC | even with the spike in hard disk pricing, you can still find 2 TB drives for around $100 | Mar 15 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: I just use xfsdump to back things up | Mar 15 18:39 |
| MinceR | we've discussed this before | Mar 15 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | the idea of backing up what largely amounts to expendible files is ludicrous | Mar 15 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | I consider anything that's not in my home folder to be expendible | Mar 15 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | because it can be easily replaced | Mar 15 18:40 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] 2-Strikes im Wirtschaftsministerium gescheitert - http://bit.ly/y8IJ5I "surveillance off the table" #de | Mar 15 18:41 | |
| DaemonFC | XFaCE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRdttW2mM7k | Mar 15 18:41 |
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| DaemonFC | BUTTER!!!! FS | Mar 15 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | why is Youtube being so weird lately? | Mar 15 18:44 |
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| MinceR | also, | Mar 15 18:46 |
| MinceR | 193723 < DaemonFC> now it's just another way btrfs can eat your files | Mar 15 18:46 |
| MinceR | citation needed on btrfs eating your files | Mar 15 18:46 |
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| Formic_ | hes just making it up because he loves xfs | Mar 15 18:56 |
| MinceR | exactly. | Mar 15 18:56 |
| Formic_ | he has assumptions that its supposed to be fast, when its designed to be fault tolerant | Mar 15 18:56 |
| XFaCE | Formic_: It is fast | Mar 15 18:56 |
| XFaCE | With the latest kernel updates | Mar 15 18:57 |
| Formic_ | not as fast as some fs's that dont give a shit if you have data loss | Mar 15 18:57 |
| XFaCE | well, then we can say that xfs has the best compromise :P | Mar 15 18:57 |
| Formic_ | my fav is ZFS | Mar 15 18:58 |
| XFaCE | doesn't count | Mar 15 18:58 |
| Formic_ | why not? | Mar 15 18:58 |
| XFaCE | Because of those annoying licensing issues | Mar 15 18:59 |
| Formic_ | its still open source | Mar 15 18:59 |
| XFaCE | true, but that's not really the point | Mar 15 18:59 |
| Formic_ | its listed as an FSF approved license | Mar 15 19:00 |
| Formic_ | This is a free software license. It has a copyleft with a scope that's similar to the one in the Mozilla Public License, which makes it incompatible with the GNU GPL. This means a module covered by the GPL and a module covered by the CDDL cannot legally be linked together. We urge you not to use the CDDL for this reason. | Mar 15 19:01 |
| Formic_ | It's just GPL incompatible | Mar 15 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | that was deliberate | Mar 15 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | so that it couldn't be used on Linux | Mar 15 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | and Oracle isn't any friendler to free software than Sun was | Mar 15 19:02 |
| Formic_ | oh no! | Mar 15 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | especially copyleft | Mar 15 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | and they're a patent troll | Mar 15 19:02 |
| Formic_ | there are plenty of open source unixes that have ZFS support | Mar 15 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | so they're actually worse than Sun ever was | Mar 15 19:02 |
| Formic_ | I still don't have to go proprietary | Mar 15 19:02 |
| Formic_ | guess who makes btrfs | Mar 15 19:03 |
| Formic_ | SCOracle | Mar 15 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | well, the fact that Linux is so much better than Solaris that SCOracle couldn't avoid supporting it is why btrfs is under the GPL | Mar 15 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | I don't really want to have to trust anything to Oracle | Mar 15 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | let alone my file system | Mar 15 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | they're hostile to free software | Mar 15 19:04 |
| Formic_ | you can use freebsd, pcbsd, opensolaris and openindiana | Mar 15 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | if they could get Linux under some kind of proprietary software-friendly license then btrfs would never have been made free software | Mar 15 19:04 |
| Formic_ | how are they hostile to free software when they release free software | Mar 15 19:04 |
| Formic_ | I also wouldn't want ZFS on Linux | Mar 15 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | they were forced to | Mar 15 19:04 |
| Formic_ | they would ruin zfs | Mar 15 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | if you make a kernel module for Linux, it's a derived work of the kernel | Mar 15 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | if they could have kept btrfs proprietary, they would have | Mar 15 19:05 |
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| DaemonFC | some companies get away with violating the GPL and most kernel developers look the other way | Mar 15 19:05 |
| Formic_ | the key thing about zfs is that the ultilites do a whole bunch of stuff | Mar 15 19:05 |
| MinceR | yeah, slowlaris is so great | Mar 15 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | Nvidia and AMD are two clear cases of that happening | Mar 15 19:05 |
| Formic_ | the filesystem tools handle integration with nfs and cifs | Mar 15 19:06 |
| MinceR | especially compared to GNU/Linux | Mar 15 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | AMD inherited their GPL violating Catalyst driver from ATI | Mar 15 19:06 |
| Formic_ | i don't have to dick around with samba if i want windows client support | Mar 15 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | their open source stuff is not a GPL violation | Mar 15 19:06 |
| Formic_ | if zfs was on linux i'd have to use samba | Mar 15 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | if you use the direct rendering manager as a part of Linux, or any of the drivers that plug into it, they're covered under the GPL | Mar 15 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | so no violation has happened | Mar 15 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | but those particular modules are MIT and BSD licensed, it's just that the BSDs don't have the manpower to properly integrate and support them | Mar 15 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | so they're left pointing towards Nvidia's fucked up blob and saying that's where you should go | Mar 15 19:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] This Week in Censorship: a mixed bag of news from around the world https://eff.org/r.1Vc #netfreedom | Mar 15 19:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] Judea #Pearl wins Turing Award http://ur1.ca/8o8g2 | Mar 15 19:08 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: This Week in Censorship: A Mixed Bag of News | Electronic Frontier Foundation .::. Size~: 41.68 KB | Mar 15 19:08 |
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| DaemonFC | and that makes some really huge compromises because it's really just a Windows-optimized driver attached to a glue layer | Mar 15 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | FreeBSD ended up having to give up and pay someone to work on making Intel work again | Mar 15 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | and that work won't get radeon or nouveau up and running | Mar 15 19:09 |
| Formic_ | see, job creation :) | Mar 15 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | don't tell me BSD is a desktop option because it isn't | Mar 15 19:09 |
| Formic_ | lol | Mar 15 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | it's a fucking shitty mess | Mar 15 19:09 |
| Formic_ | why are you against job creation? | Mar 15 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not | Mar 15 19:09 |
| Formic_ | your country has a terrible unemployment problem | Mar 15 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | radeon has created several jobs | Mar 15 19:10 |
| XFaCE | Formic_: so does ours | Mar 15 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | and it's only working under Linux right now | Mar 15 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 15 19:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Shared a post "Check out this blog post, which describes how university students in the Czech Republic enjoyed a class... http://b1t.it/a6es | Mar 15 19:10 | |
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| Formic_ | xface - only for unskilled people | Mar 15 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | there's at least half a dozen people working on it at AMD | Mar 15 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | two full timers | Mar 15 19:10 |
| Formic_ | ie, mcdonalds candidates, factory workers, etc | Mar 15 19:10 |
| XFaCE | Formic_: not as bad, but it will get worst once the Harper Hatchet is finish slicing away at the foundation of the country | Mar 15 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | and two people Red Hat has employed to work on it | Mar 15 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | so radeon and nouveau have created at least 8 jobs (possibly more) | Mar 15 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | and Intel support for FreeBSD has created one job | Mar 15 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | which is very part time | Mar 15 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | and very low paying | Mar 15 19:11 |
| Formic_ | xface - well, when its government jobs I don't mind if those disappear | Mar 15 19:11 |
| Formic_ | I want smaller government (i would prefer NO government) | Mar 15 19:11 |
| XFaCE | Formic_: Do you count hostpital jobs as "gov't jobs"? | Mar 15 19:11 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxfoundation/@linuxfoundation] Why is Linux server revenue growing while other OSes stall? @jzemlin explains: http://bit.ly/zo6Gix #linux #bigdata | Mar 15 19:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Authenticated electricity: Sony power outlets will charge you for charging - http://bit.ly/Am6Evs what could possibly go wrong? #lockdown | Mar 15 19:11 | |
| XFaCE | Formic_: Oh boy, there's a can of worms | Mar 15 19:11 |
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| Formic_ | no | Mar 15 19:11 |
| XFaCE | Do you support the concept of our health care system? | Mar 15 19:12 |
| Formic_ | yes | Mar 15 19:12 |
| Formic_ | but | Mar 15 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | I don't see what's so wrong with the government contributing to free software that they use | Mar 15 19:12 |
| Formic_ | before you call me a hypocrite I have a perfectly logical reason | Mar 15 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | they're still saving money in the bigger picture by not using proprietary software with expensive licensing | Mar 15 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | and hiring more people to administer that shit | Mar 15 19:13 |
| Formic_ | since they are poisoning our food, air and water, they SHOULD pay for healthcare | Mar 15 19:13 |
| XFaCE | aha | Mar 15 19:13 |
| XFaCE | so how would a world with no government have what you just described and support? | Mar 15 19:13 |
| Formic_ | if the government wasn't putting toxic waste in the water, we probably wouldnt be getting sick | Mar 15 19:13 |
| Formic_ | (fluoride) | Mar 15 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | besides, Windows NT is responsible for taking down an entire AEGIS missile cruiser | Mar 15 19:13 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: I sold an old copy for 35$ | Mar 15 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | and forcing it to stay in port for 3 days while the Navy figured out what the hell was going on | Mar 15 19:14 |
| XFaCE | Windows NT server 4, top of the line | Mar 15 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | so, I'd really rather not have them use expensive and unreliable Microsoft software | Mar 15 19:14 |
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| DaemonFC | could you imagine what would happen if they were in the middle of a war zone and Windows jsut decided to take that big of a shit on them? | Mar 15 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | they don't have 3 days to get things back up in that situation | Mar 15 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | they're jsut lucky it happened while the ship was still docked | Mar 15 19:15 |
| Formic_ | I also support depopulation and the environment | Mar 15 19:16 |
| Formic_ | so no health care means less people | Mar 15 19:16 |
| Formic_ | survival of the fittest | Mar 15 19:16 |
| Formic_ | evolution | Mar 15 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | XFaCE: I don't think anyone could make a compelling argument that Windows has gotten more reliable since that embarassing incident | Mar 15 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 15 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | it did get about 100 times bigger though | Mar 15 19:17 |
| Formic_ | saving the sick and weak pollutes our gene pool and hampers evolution | Mar 15 19:17 |
| XFaCE | yeah, damn our empathy, what a disgusting human trait | Mar 15 19:17 |
| Formic_ | do you want to evolve into a species that requires pharma to survive? | Mar 15 19:18 |
| XFaCE | Formic_: In other words, you want to take us back to the technolgical sophisticated days of 560 | Mar 15 19:18 |
| Formic_ | lol you think its backwards eh | Mar 15 19:18 |
| Formic_ | you don't believe in evolution? | Mar 15 19:19 |
| Formic_ | religion is about empathy and compassion | Mar 15 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/1998/07/13987 | Mar 15 19:19 |
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| DaemonFC | no | Mar 15 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | religion is about killing or converting anyone that's not a member yet | Mar 15 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | and overpopulating the Earth | Mar 15 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | the successful ones anyway | Mar 15 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz mentioned that the other day | Mar 15 19:20 |
| XFaCE | Formic_: no, you are confusing empathy and compassion with the religious concept of morality | Mar 15 19:20 |
| XFaCE | I don't need to believe in evolution. It's a fact. | Mar 15 19:21 |
| XFaCE | *scientifc fact. | Mar 15 19:21 |
| Formic_ | so how does evolution work when you pop pills instead of strengthening your immune system naturally | Mar 15 19:21 |
| Formic_ | think of how drug addiction works | Mar 15 19:22 |
| XFaCE | empathy and compassion are naturally occuring states that are to be expected with a social speicies | Mar 15 19:22 |
| Formic_ | your body adapts and slows down its chemical production | Mar 15 19:22 |
| Formic_ | says who? god? | Mar 15 19:23 |
| Formic_ | LOL | Mar 15 19:24 |
| XFaCE | Formic_: psychologists | Mar 15 19:24 |
| XFaCE | many scientists | Mar 15 19:24 |
| Formic_ | psychologists are frauds | Mar 15 19:24 |
| XFaCE | Alone, we don't function as well as we do in groups | Mar 15 19:24 |
| XFaCE | That's common sense | Mar 15 19:24 |
| Formic_ | actually | Mar 15 19:24 |
| Formic_ | people are more stupid in groups | Mar 15 19:24 |
| Formic_ | fact | Mar 15 19:24 |
| Formic_ | the idea that two heads are better than one has been debunked ad nauseum | Mar 15 19:25 |
| XFaCE | No, there may be a group size limit to when it become ineffective, but to make that sort of generalization is a plight of ignorance. | Mar 15 19:25 |
| Formic_ | look at voters | Mar 15 19:25 |
| Formic_ | more people voted for harper than the individual other parties | Mar 15 19:26 |
| XFaCE | they aren't a group in the sense that I'm describing | Mar 15 19:26 |
| Formic_ | they aren't stupid? | Mar 15 19:26 |
| XFaCE | they aren't in a group | Mar 15 19:26 |
| XFaCE | Or more specifically, there are many different groups of voters | Mar 15 19:27 |
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| XFaCE | Simply saying voters as a group is as stupid as saying "white people in the world" as a group | Mar 15 19:27 |
| XFaCE | Formic_: I think you have confused statistical categorization with groups | Mar 15 19:28 |
| Formic_ | http://www.indianexpress.com/news/working-in-groups-makes-people-stupider/910855/ | Mar 15 19:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Working in groups 'makes people stupider' - Indian Express .::. Size~: 48.46 KB | Mar 15 19:28 |
| Formic_ | A Virginia Tech study | Mar 15 19:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @t1mdp O, en smakelijk | Mar 15 19:28 | |
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| Formic_ | when you take that group and seperate the people, they can think rationally | Mar 15 19:28 |
| Formic_ | all sorts of social and peer pressures are on you when in a group | Mar 15 19:28 |
| Formic_ | "The researchers used a magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) scanner to monitor how people’s brains responded and found that bad performers tended to show activity in parts of their brain that dealt with emotions and anxiety. " | Mar 15 19:30 |
| XFaCE | "Some people performed well in the ‘social’ tests, but others were affected badly and overall, performance dropped." | Mar 15 19:31 |
| Formic_ | social has nothing to do with intelligence | Mar 15 19:31 |
| Formic_ | it has to do with communicating with others | Mar 15 19:31 |
| XFaCE | Formic_: Well, communicating well requires intelligence so | Mar 15 19:32 |
| Formic_ | not really | Mar 15 19:32 |
| XFaCE | communicating *well* | Mar 15 19:32 |
| Formic_ | I know plenty of low iq people who have huge social lives | Mar 15 19:32 |
| XFaCE | Ok, would categorize any sort of collaboration as a group? | Mar 15 19:33 |
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| Formic_ | sure they'd collaborate on which line of coke to snort and which liquor store to shop lift from | Mar 15 19:33 |
| Formic_ | LOL | Mar 15 19:33 |
| XFaCE | Right | Mar 15 19:33 |
| Formic_ | i avoid these people but i know them from when i grew up | Mar 15 19:33 |
| Formic_ | i avoided the popular groups of people and look where it got them | Mar 15 19:34 |
| XFaCE | So you think the world would be better off if we all had Aspergers and isolated themselves from everyone aside perhaps from their immediate family | Mar 15 19:34 |
| XFaCE | *ourselves | Mar 15 19:34 |
| XFaCE | Because that's what it sounds like | Mar 15 19:35 |
| Formic_ | you're saying I have aspergers? | Mar 15 19:35 |
| XFaCE | No, I'm just singling that syndrome out for its typical traits | Mar 15 19:36 |
| Formic_ | my opinions are probably biased | Mar 15 19:36 |
| Formic_ | i dont like people | Mar 15 19:36 |
| XFaCE | Well, think of this way. | Mar 15 19:36 |
| Formic_ | http://youtu.be/kkCwFkOZoOY | Mar 15 19:36 |
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| XFaCE | Would any of our modern knowledge, technology, free software, etc. exist if everyone were loners that kept to themselves, that didn't interact, that were hostile to each other? | Mar 15 19:37 |
| Formic_ | thats what the internet is for! | Mar 15 19:37 |
| Formic_ | theres no anxiety or fear that you get being in a physical big group | Mar 15 19:38 |
| XFaCE | Formic_: Bullshit, of course there is | Mar 15 19:38 |
| XFaCE | There's still bullying and peer pressure | Mar 15 19:38 |
| XFaCE | Don't be silly | Mar 15 19:38 |
| Formic_ | well, i dont mind people on the internet | Mar 15 19:38 |
| XFaCE | Besides, a species that socialized only on the Internet, would die | Mar 15 19:38 |
| Formic_ | its people i meet face to face that i dont like | Mar 15 19:38 |
| XFaCE | Formic_: That's you | Mar 15 19:39 |
| Formic_ | socializing isn't a survival requirement | Mar 15 19:39 |
| Formic_ | derp derp | Mar 15 19:39 |
| XFaCE | Formic_: you may not think now | Mar 15 19:39 |
| XFaCE | I'm pretty sure you'd be up shit creek if everyone stopped caring about you | Mar 15 19:40 |
| XFaCE | None of us is completely independent | Mar 15 19:40 |
| XFaCE | Such as concept is more or less impossible in today's society | Mar 15 19:40 |
| XFaCE | Is today's society perfect? Of course not | Mar 15 19:40 |
| XFaCE | No one here argues that | Mar 15 19:41 |
| Formic_ | when I was unemployed and homeless, nobody helped me | Mar 15 19:42 |
| Formic_ | I survived it and now I'm upper middle class | Mar 15 19:42 |
| Formic_ | all by myself | Mar 15 19:42 |
| XFaCE | Formic_: I;m sorry, but bullshit | Mar 15 19:42 |
| XFaCE | Not all by yourself | Mar 15 19:42 |
| Formic_ | oh, I might have to thank my employer | Mar 15 19:42 |
| XFaCE | Did you will the dollars to come to you? No. | Mar 15 19:42 |
| XFaCE | there you go, social interaction | Mar 15 19:43 |
| Formic_ | but thats not help, thats what people do to get money | Mar 15 19:43 |
| Formic_ | get jobs | Mar 15 19:43 |
| XFaCE | where did you get the education to get the job? | Mar 15 19:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: RT @openOV: Bah, die Belgen van @irail hebben alles weer he. Leuke ambtenaren en filmpjes http://t.co/PMiQbiWh #ope ... | Mar 15 19:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] When Entertainment Industry Numbers Are More Suited To Comedy Than Analysis http://goo.gl/yqdEK | Mar 15 19:43 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: i-Vlaanderen - De Vlaamse overheid en open data.mov - YouTube .::. Size~: 100 KB | Mar 15 19:43 |
| Formic_ | i didnt rely on social welfare, my family didnt help with a single buck | Mar 15 19:43 |
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| Formic_ | I taught myself what I know | Mar 15 19:43 |
| XFaCE | and where did that knowledge come from? | Mar 15 19:44 |
| Formic_ | self-education, without bias and brainwashing | Mar 15 19:44 |
| Formic_ | experience | Mar 15 19:44 |
| Formic_ | being a hacker | Mar 15 19:44 |
| XFaCE | Where did the knowledge come from? Sources | Mar 15 19:44 |
| Formic_ | books | Mar 15 19:44 |
| Formic_ | if anything | Mar 15 19:44 |
| Formic_ | most of it was trial and error | Mar 15 19:44 |
| XFaCE | all created through social interaction, albeit long-term | Mar 15 19:44 |
| XFaCE | Let me just clear something up | Mar 15 19:44 |
| XFaCE | Just because I say social interaction is important | Mar 15 19:45 |
| Formic_ | i hardly used books though | Mar 15 19:45 |
| XFaCE | does not mean that individualism is stupid or doesn't have a plce | Mar 15 19:45 |
| XFaCE | It's all about balance | Mar 15 19:45 |
| Formic_ | of course there is balance | Mar 15 19:45 |
| Formic_ | you're right | Mar 15 19:45 |
| XFaCE | Social interaction is an important part of society, but so is individual thought and ideas | Mar 15 19:45 |
| Formic_ | but I never said groups should never exist | Mar 15 19:45 |
| Formic_ | I just said people were dumber in groups | Mar 15 19:45 |
| XFaCE | Not always | Mar 15 19:46 |
| XFaCE | Maybe there's a case for it being more likely | Mar 15 19:46 |
| XFaCE | But it isn't an absolute | Mar 15 19:46 |
| msb__ | Here's a nice article on Linux that I just posted to COLA: https://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_frm/thread/412b619ba778cd7f?hl=en# | Mar 15 19:47 |
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| Formic_ | msb__ suse is a evil microsoft shill | Mar 15 19:48 |
| Formic_ | you're helping the enemy | Mar 15 19:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Microsoft's #OpenStandards Fairy Tale http://goo.gl/5UVb9 | Mar 15 19:48 | |
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| Formic_ | trinity is developed by a former windows user | Mar 15 19:48 |
| Formic_ | who thinks KDE is just an xp emulator | Mar 15 19:49 |
| Formic_ | doesn't inspire confidence | Mar 15 19:49 |
| Formic_ | msb__ may I recommend one change | Mar 15 19:50 |
| Formic_ | "OpenSuse has a very helpful IRC channel, if you run into any difficulties. " | Mar 15 19:50 |
| Formic_ | to | Mar 15 19:50 |
| msb__ | Formic_: I have it on good authority that the design principles of KDE4 were chosen by focus groups populated with naive Windows users. Thus lots of bling, and no functioning multiple desktops. | Mar 15 19:50 |
| Formic_ | "OpenSuse has a very helpful IRC channel, if you run into any difficulties. (Just don't ask me to help with nickserv)" | Mar 15 19:50 |
| msb__ | Cute | Mar 15 19:51 |
| Formic_ | msb__ not true, I know people who work with KDE | Mar 15 19:51 |
| msb__ | Ask them why the names in the desktop pager are unreadable. | Mar 15 19:51 |
| Formic_ | its not a feature that people care about | Mar 15 19:51 |
| Formic_ | look at gnome3 and unity | Mar 15 19:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #ManUtd find their natural level in Europe this season at last; humped over two legs by an excellent #AthleticMadrid !football | Mar 15 19:51 | |
| Formic_ | they dont have it either | Mar 15 19:51 |
| Formic_ | adapt or die | Mar 15 19:52 |
| msb__ | Multiple desktops are indispensible for power users. | Mar 15 19:52 |
| Formic_ | yeah but people have no issues | Mar 15 19:52 |
| Formic_ | its a personality thing for you I think | Mar 15 19:53 |
| Formic_ | you're used to it like that | Mar 15 19:53 |
| Formic_ | you're neurons are already linked that way and you're too old for that to really change | Mar 15 19:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] I stand corrected; it#s #AthleticBilbao - I knew Madrid didn't sound right when typing but over-rode my gut instinct | Mar 15 19:53 | |
| msb__ | I think the focus groups were instigated by Microsoft in its secret partnership with Novell. | Mar 15 19:53 |
| Formic_ | Novell has no say whatsoever | Mar 15 19:54 |
| Formic_ | KDE is run by a non profit organization that has no direct ties to Novell | Mar 15 19:54 |
| Formic_ | again, your talking weird conspiracy theories | Mar 15 19:54 |
| msb__ | I'm told Novell paid for KDE4 development. | Mar 15 19:54 |
| Formic_ | I'm told Reptilians eat children. | Mar 15 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | so do a lot of companies | Mar 15 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | Novell had a hand in GNOME as well | Mar 15 19:55 |
| Formic_ | Just because you're told something, doesn't make it true. | Mar 15 19:55 |
| Formic_ | The government told me 9/11 was done by Bin Laden | Mar 15 19:55 |
| Formic_ | The government told me that JFK was killed by Lee Harvey Oswald | Mar 15 19:55 |
| Formic_ | Do you have smoking gun quality proof? | Mar 15 19:56 |
| Formic_ | or just anecdotal evidence? | Mar 15 19:56 |
| Formic_ | ie, some dude in a bar | Mar 15 19:57 |
| msb__ | Anyhow, OpenSuse is very well maintained, and KDE3 and ALSA work universally. So I can recommend Suse and KDE3 (or Trinity) to everyone. | Mar 15 19:57 |
| Formic_ | I don't get it | Mar 15 19:57 |
| Formic_ | if novell is some evil OSS subverter | Mar 15 19:57 |
| Formic_ | they definatly do things with opensuse to help microsoft | Mar 15 19:57 |
| msb__ | I was told by someone who, after long conversations, I evaluate as trustworthy. | Mar 15 19:57 |
| Formic_ | attackmate now | Mar 15 19:57 |
| Formic_ | who? | Mar 15 19:58 |
| msb__ | Doesn't want to be identified. | Mar 15 19:58 |
| Formic_ | so your evidence is that you have none? | Mar 15 19:59 |
| Formic_ | its anecdotal at best | Mar 15 19:59 |
| Formic_ | it might be good enough for you | Mar 15 20:00 |
| Formic_ | but if you want to convince people you'll need evidence | Mar 15 20:00 |
| Formic_ | other than that you have some good links | Mar 15 20:00 |
| Formic_ | I just dont like suse or trinity, but thats me | Mar 15 20:00 |
| Formic_ | KDE 4 should be avoided because of microsoft involvement via novell, but suse shouldnt be avoided for its microsoft involvement via novell | Mar 15 20:01 |
| Formic_ | makes sense | Mar 15 20:01 |
| XFaCE | lol | Mar 15 20:02 |
| msb__ | No KDE4 should be avoided because the essential multiple desktops don't work, and the Phonon audio doesn't work on older computers. | Mar 15 20:02 |
| Formic_ | microsoft gives out suse licenses | Mar 15 20:03 |
| msb__ | I don't care. | Mar 15 20:03 |
| Formic_ | suse (even opensuse) has integrated support for windows networking | Mar 15 20:03 |
| Formic_ | including joining windows domains | Mar 15 20:03 |
| Formic_ | so if you encourage opensuse and people like it, they might be likely to purchase suse enterprise server | Mar 15 20:04 |
| Formic_ | which helps microsoft | Mar 15 20:04 |
| msb__ | I don't know what "joining domains" means, but all Linux has windows networking method. | Mar 15 20:04 |
| Formic_ | joining domains is not something that is built into linux | Mar 15 20:04 |
| Formic_ | you need samba, or openldap | Mar 15 20:04 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] !tzag Good Evening !Identiverse | Mar 15 20:05 | |
| msb__ | So? Samba is available for all distros. | Mar 15 20:05 |
| Formic_ | its definately not out of the box, unless you're running suse or calculate linux | Mar 15 20:05 |
| Formic_ | suse has a gui for it | Mar 15 20:05 |
| Formic_ | part of yast | Mar 15 20:05 |
| Formic_ | it advertises windows | Mar 15 20:06 |
| Formic_ | it implies that windows is ok as part of your network strategy | Mar 15 20:06 |
| msb__ | On the other hand, the ability to connect with a windows network infiltrates Linux into entities using Windows. | Mar 15 20:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laf0rge/@laf0rge] German language web-tv interview with me about GSM security (non-technical) http://ur1.ca/8o9yd | Mar 15 20:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] !Mageia 2 Beta 2 has been released: http://ur1.ca/8o9z1 #Mageia | Mar 15 20:06 | |
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| Formic_ | a windows domain means that windows server is being used | Mar 15 20:07 |
| Formic_ | linux doesnt really have good support for replacing windows domain controllers | Mar 15 20:07 |
| Formic_ | its a work in progress | Mar 15 20:07 |
| Formic_ | I think you've just been using suse for so long its impossible to switch | Mar 15 20:07 |
| Formic_ | so you'll ignore the microsoft involvement | Mar 15 20:08 |
| Formic_ | as well as the money novell pays microsoft for licensing | Mar 15 20:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is zuargo from identi.ca with 96 dents! | Mar 15 20:08 | |
| Formic_ | opensuse even recommends microsoft fonts and flash | Mar 15 20:09 |
| msb__ | If OpenSuse develops some problems for users -- MS related or not -- then I will stop recommending it. | Mar 15 20:09 |
| Formic_ | proprietary drivers and all that stuff | Mar 15 20:09 |
| Formic_ | its quite non-free | Mar 15 20:10 |
| msb__ | Proprietary drivers have nothing to do with Microsoft. | Mar 15 20:10 |
| Formic_ | alright, ill let you indirectly support microsoft all you want | Mar 15 20:10 |
| Formic_ | proprietary drivers have to do with non-free | Mar 15 20:10 |
| Formic_ | whats the point of using a free os, if you're just gonna install proprietary software anyways | Mar 15 20:10 |
| msb__ | I have no problem with them. I use the Nvidia graphic driver. The free one doesn't work as well. | Mar 15 20:10 |
| Formic_ | the NWO might have code hidden in the proprietary nvidia driver | Mar 15 20:11 |
| Formic_ | it would be a perfect place to hide screen capture code | Mar 15 20:11 |
| msb__ | The point of using Linux is its far superior functionality, as well as freedom. | Mar 15 20:11 |
| Formic_ | freedom comes first | Mar 15 20:11 |
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| msb__ | I don't think OpenSuse itself has been damaged by the MS connection. But notice that I do mention other distros that have Trinity available. | Mar 15 20:15 |
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| msb__ | I think KDE4 was designed by Microsoft to sabotage Linux. | Mar 15 20:19 |
| msb__ | But I can't prove it. | Mar 15 20:20 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] When #Mageia 2 is released will you mention it on #TuxJam and/or let me be a guest on your show? Yesterday Gordon agreed for #Crivins :). | Mar 15 20:21 | |
| MinceR | but the default desktop of opensuse is kde! | Mar 15 20:26 |
| MinceR | kde4, to be exact | Mar 15 20:27 |
| msb__ | KDE4 should be considered as an entirely different DE than KDE3. | Mar 15 20:29 |
| DaemonFC | well, there's GNOME 3 if you're that bent on a broken desktop | Mar 15 20:29 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Mar 15 20:29 |
| DaemonFC | and theirs even has a bunch of Mono | Mar 15 20:30 |
| msb__ | KDE4 is badly broken. KDE3 is excellent. | Mar 15 20:31 |
| msb__ | I think almost all distros that default to KDE use KDE4, unfortunately. | Mar 15 20:31 |
| msb__ | But Suse makes it easy to substitute KDE3. http://en.opensuse.org/KDE3 | Mar 15 20:31 |
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| DaemonFC | yeah, if you want to resurrect some abandonware | Mar 15 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | and install HAL | Mar 15 20:33 |
| msb__ | There are many choices of distro and DE. People need prior advice. | Mar 15 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | you shouldn't go searching through the garbage heap looking for unmaintained versions of KDE and GNOME | Mar 15 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | if you hate them that bad, use XFCE | Mar 15 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | at least it has an upstream | Mar 15 20:33 |
| msb__ | KDE3 is not abandoned. It is maintained in Suse and in Trinity. | Mar 15 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | it is abandoned | Mar 15 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | OpenSUSE is fucking stupid | Mar 15 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | and Trinity has more bugs and performance issues than KDE 3 ever did | Mar 15 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | and it's not even entirely compatible | Mar 15 20:34 |
| msb__ | How so? | Mar 15 20:35 |
| DaemonFC | well, they broke kwin theme compatibility a while back | Mar 15 20:35 |
| DaemonFC | tqt3 is very slow compared to qt3 | Mar 15 20:35 |
| DaemonFC | and even compared to the qt3support library for qt4 | Mar 15 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | and in some cases, it runs three or four different versions of what are basically the same thing | Mar 15 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | DCOP next to DBUS | Mar 15 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | HAL next to udev | Mar 15 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | they've made such a mess of KDE 3 it's a shame | Mar 15 20:37 |
| DaemonFC | but that's what you get when there's only a couple people maintaining the entire code base of what used to be the entire KDE 3 software collection | Mar 15 20:38 |
| DaemonFC | as the world moves on without it | Mar 15 20:38 |
| DaemonFC | at one point they criticized kwin4 for its compositing performance (which didn't used to be that good, sure) | Mar 15 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | ignoring the fact that you could turn it off | Mar 15 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | so then they go and NIH their own Xrender-based compositor for their fork of kwin3 | Mar 15 20:39 |
| msb__ | I never use compositing. Bling is crap, | Mar 15 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | which is slower than the Xrender backend option under kwin4 :) | Mar 15 20:40 |
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| DaemonFC | you can turn it off | Mar 15 20:40 |
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| DaemonFC | you can't turn compositing off with Unity or GNOME now | Mar 15 20:40 |
| DaemonFC | the only question with Ubuntu and GNOME are whether it is OpenGL hardware accelerated, whether it wastes your CPU cycles accelerating the OpenGL compositor on your CPU with llvmpipe, or whether it will use Xrender (which is what Unity 2d is doing and they're lugging around their own private fork of metacity to do it with, blecth | Mar 15 20:42 |
| DaemonFC | you don't have a choice to just make it stop there if you're on a computer that just can't handle it | Mar 15 20:42 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 15 20:42 |
| msb__ | "<DaemonFC> tqt3 is very slow compared to qt3" | Mar 15 20:43 |
| msb__ | Is that slowness noticeable to the user? If so, in what way? | Mar 15 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | Unity and GNOME 3 are more like the Windows Vista moment for Linux desktops than anything else is | Mar 15 20:44 |
| DaemonFC | msb__: Increased demands on the CPU and increased RAM usage vs. real KDE 3 is what you get with Trinity | Mar 15 20:44 |
| msb__ | Besides, I thought the Trinity folks had just decided to keep qt3. So tqt3 would generally not be needed. | Mar 15 20:44 |
| DaemonFC | and additional bugs that KDE never had | Mar 15 20:44 |
| msb__ | How much increased? | Mar 15 20:44 |
| DaemonFC | enough that you're in for a much worse experience than just moving onto KDE 4 or giving up and using XFCE | Mar 15 20:45 |
| msb__ | And also fixed bugs that KDE3 did have. | Mar 15 20:45 |
| msb__ | Give me a number. | Mar 15 20:45 |
| msb__ | Not just "much worse". | Mar 15 20:45 |
| DaemonFC | http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2011/11/the-grass-has-always-been-greener-on-the-other-side-of-the-fence/ | Mar 15 20:46 |
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| msb__ | Our computers do 4 billion instructions per second! A little extra usage is not noticeable. | Mar 15 20:46 |
| DaemonFC | right, which is why I just use KDE 4 anyway | Mar 15 20:47 |
| DaemonFC | it's much better than the broken buggy shit that Ubuntu and GNOME and that KDE 3 Zombie promote | Mar 15 20:47 |
| MinceR | i just use XFCE, which is better than all the broken buggy shit you've listed :> | Mar 15 20:48 |
| DaemonFC | With Ubuntu, you don't even have to use it for more than 10 minutes to start walking into weird bugs that have no business being there | Mar 15 20:48 |
| DaemonFC | you click on things in Unity and sometimes, it jsut does nothing | Mar 15 20:48 |
| DaemonFC | instead of launching the application | Mar 15 20:48 |
| Formic_ | [16:31] <msb__> I think almost all distros that default to KDE use KDE4, unfortunately. | Mar 15 20:49 |
| DaemonFC | or Compiz just crashes and you go back out to a login screen | Mar 15 20:49 |
| Formic_ | unfortunately for you | Mar 15 20:49 |
| DaemonFC | it's been a good long time since KDE 4 was that bad | Mar 15 20:49 |
| Formic_ | and users with mental issues switching de's | Mar 15 20:49 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu's packaging of damned near everything has resulted in many upstreams telling users using Ubuntu not to report bugs to the upstream | Mar 15 20:50 |
| DaemonFC | patch patch patch hack patch hack | Mar 15 20:50 |
| Formic_ | [16:46] <msb__> Our computers do 4 billion instructions per second! A little extra usage is not noticeable. | Mar 15 20:50 |
| msb__ | Unfortunately for anyone who wants multiple desktops. | Mar 15 20:50 |
| Formic_ | thats why I don't mind KDE4, Gnome3 and Unity | Mar 15 20:50 |
| Formic_ | 8 cores + 16gb ram | Mar 15 20:51 |
| Formic_ | im wasting electricty if im not using it | Mar 15 20:51 |
| msb__ | So they can leave programs set up for movies in one desktop, Usenet in another, etc. Saves huge amount of work. | Mar 15 20:51 |
| Formic_ | msb__ you can't do more than a few things at once anyways | Mar 15 20:52 |
| Formic_ | two screens solves that problem | Mar 15 20:52 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu does a lot of things that upstreams would never do because they only support the release for about 6 months and then toss it and by that time, the issue they were trying to hack their way around (often crudely), is usually fixed | Mar 15 20:52 |
| Formic_ | + having a taskbar | Mar 15 20:52 |
| DaemonFC | but then they're going and doing it with something else | Mar 15 20:52 |
| DaemonFC | because that's what you'd expect of a rolling fork that has hard release deadlines and considers hiding problems from the user more important than fixing them | Mar 15 20:52 |
| DaemonFC | though that describes a normal release | Mar 15 20:53 |
| msb__ | I use 20 named desktops, with about 5 or so programs running in each. When I'm not using them they take few or no cycles, but when I switch to a desktop, everything is set up for its particular purpose. | Mar 15 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | they don't do that quite as severely with an LTS | Mar 15 20:53 |
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| DaemonFC | in reality, using a non-LTS Ubuntu release puts you in a worse spot than just using Fedora | Mar 15 20:54 |
| DaemonFC | you not only get software that's not ready, but you have them mutilating it beyond that | Mar 15 20:55 |
| msb__ | I asked martin-graesslin about the broken desktop-pager in KDE4, in a later one of his blog posts. The bastard said he doesn't use multiple desktops!!! | Mar 15 20:55 |
| DaemonFC | at least he was honest | Mar 15 20:55 |
| Formic_ | hes a bastard because he doesnt use a computer exactly the way you do? | Mar 15 20:55 |
| Formic_ | you can't please everyone | Mar 15 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | the person that maintains kmix doesn't personally use pulseaudio | Mar 15 20:56 |
| Formic_ | qt3 is even technically inferior | Mar 15 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | those patches came in from distributions that wanted to perform the unholy wedding themselves | Mar 15 20:56 |
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| Formic_ | yeah the pulse audio + kmix support is kind of crap | Mar 15 20:57 |
| Formic_ | I use pavucontrol | Mar 15 20:57 |
| msb__ | KDE3 works instantly. I expect Trinity does too. | Mar 15 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | so if you're using a pretty edgy (think alpha, beta, or git pull) of either one, expect them to not work well together | Mar 15 20:57 |
| Formic_ | pavucontrol works instantly | Mar 15 20:57 |
| Formic_ | its made by the guy who made pulseaudio | Mar 15 20:57 |
| Formic_ | it doesnt hide any of the features | Mar 15 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, I was kind of pissed at Fedora over that | Mar 15 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | they don't maintain pavucontrol really | Mar 15 20:58 |
| Formic_ | pulseaudio is awesome imo | Mar 15 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | even though Lennart Poettering is a Red Hat employee | Mar 15 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | he'll say you should just use GNOME and he doesn't care what your problems are | Mar 15 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 15 20:58 |
| Formic_ | when you have more than one audio device, pulseaudio is a blessing | Mar 15 20:58 |
| Formic_ | no hacking config files | Mar 15 20:58 |
| msb__ | There's no way to get the functionality I described without multiple desktops and a one-click pager with readable names. Graesslin is either an agent or an asshole. | Mar 15 20:59 |
| Formic_ | or running arcane CLI commands | Mar 15 20:59 |
| Formic_ | msb__ you're either an agent or some old foggie | Mar 15 20:59 |
| Formic_ | daemonfc is an agent too | Mar 15 20:59 |
| Formic_ | we're all agents | Mar 15 20:59 |
| msb__ | I'm a person who thinks. | Mar 15 20:59 |
| Formic_ | we proved yesteray you don't | Mar 15 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | just look over here into this flashy memory messer upper thing | Mar 15 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | *FLASH* | Mar 15 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | Unity is what you want | Mar 15 21:00 |
| Formic_ | us unthinking human beings figured out irc commands | Mar 15 21:00 |
| DaemonFC | go use Ubuntu | Mar 15 21:00 |
| DaemonFC | be happy | Mar 15 21:00 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 15 21:00 |
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| msb__ | There's no way to get the functionality I described without multiple desktops and a one-click pager with readable names. If you can think of one, tell me. | Mar 15 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | that's probably why no decent IRC client works well with Unity | Mar 15 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | they probably didn't consider it as important | Mar 15 21:01 |
| Formic_ | you have a strange opinion about what is functional | Mar 15 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | since most of their users can't spell IRC | Mar 15 21:01 |
| Formic_ | daemonfc - unity works fine with xchat | Mar 15 21:02 |
| ThistleWeb | the only issue I had with xchat in unity was the lack of a system tray icon to minimis it to | Mar 15 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | until you tell it to run in the system tray | Mar 15 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | and there is no such thing there | Mar 15 21:02 |
| Formic_ | when I click links the firefox botton pops out from the left and shakes a bit | Mar 15 21:02 |
| Formic_ | which was cool | Mar 15 21:02 |
| ThistleWeb | apparently unity has an api for that, where devs need to add it to their apps, xchat havent done so yet | Mar 15 21:02 |
| Formic_ | there is a system tray, the message icon | Mar 15 21:02 |
| Formic_ | you gotta write code for it though | Mar 15 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | ThistleWeb: Probably won't either | Mar 15 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | I doubt the author of Xchat uses or cares about Ubuntu | Mar 15 21:03 |
| Formic_ | they patched pidgin so i dont have to use empathy | Mar 15 21:03 |
| Formic_ | true | Mar 15 21:03 |
| Formic_ | xchat loves windows | Mar 15 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | if it does get Unity support, it will just be another hack | Mar 15 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of those idiots say to use xchat-gnome | Mar 15 21:03 |
| Formic_ | empathy is rather useless without OTR | Mar 15 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | which is the worst IRC client EVER | Mar 15 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | seriously, I'd use Empathy for IRC before I used that shit | Mar 15 21:04 |
| DaemonFC | xchat-gnome reeks of everything else built for GNOME | Mar 15 21:04 |
| DaemonFC | there's the one True Way to do everything, THEIRS | Mar 15 21:05 |
| Formic_ | you can use pidgin for irc | Mar 15 21:05 |
| Formic_ | then you get a system tray icon | Mar 15 21:05 |
| DaemonFC | and that's why you can't have a sidebar telling you who is in the chatroom | Mar 15 21:05 |
| ThistleWeb | I keep thinking I probs should try to embrace unity somewhat, but after some thought, it's like trying to force some novelty thing into a way I don't naturally use a PC | Mar 15 21:06 |
| Formic_ | daemonfc - I appreciate the fact you've actually tried unity before saying you hate it | Mar 15 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | that fact alone would keep me from using Unity, the fact that they don't care about integrating decent applications with it | Mar 15 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | and that Software Center is slow and instead of returning results, it returns a frowny face | Mar 15 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | seriously | Mar 15 21:06 |
| ThistleWeb | it's not even as if there's some performance boost for the extra inconvienience, it's slower and heavier | Mar 15 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | a frowny face | Mar 15 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | it's AOL the operating system | Mar 15 21:06 |
| Formic_ | lol its faster on my netbook than kde4 was oddly enough | Mar 15 21:06 |
| ThistleWeb | I found ubnity was very slow on the netbook | Mar 15 21:07 |
| DaemonFC | well, even if KDE 4.8 was slower (and it's not), I would still use it in preference to Unity | Mar 15 21:07 |
| Formic_ | it probably depends on the graphics chip | Mar 15 21:07 |
| DaemonFC | Unity is laid out wrong | Mar 15 21:07 |
| DaemonFC | you can't customize it | Mar 15 21:07 |
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| DaemonFC | it's full of self-promoting crap | Mar 15 21:07 |
| DaemonFC | and it crashes a lot | Mar 15 21:07 |
| ThistleWeb | a fully encrypted crunchbang with openbox flies on the netbook | Mar 15 21:07 |
| Formic_ | my netbook uses open source intel drivers, unity seems fast | Mar 15 21:07 |
| msb__ | In my 20 desktops have 116 copies of bash running, and probably about 58 copies of mc. They're all set up pointing to various relevant directories for Movies, Music, Mail, Website, etc. Without multiple desktops I'd have to be constantly starting, cd'ing, and stopping them every time I changed between dealing with, e.g., Music and my Website. Can you understand that??? | Mar 15 21:08 |
| Formic_ | msb__ you're insane | Mar 15 21:08 |
| ThistleWeb | right now I have aptosid with xfce which is nice and snappy too | Mar 15 21:08 |
| Formic_ | 116 copies of bash running, and probably about 58 copies of mc | Mar 15 21:08 |
| Formic_ | wtf? | Mar 15 21:08 |
| ThistleWeb | mine is intel too | Mar 15 21:08 |
| Formic_ | never heard of screen? | Mar 15 21:08 |
| msb__ | THINK, Formic. I explained why. | Mar 15 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | I have a hard time really laying into XFCE, it has some small problems, but none of them are intentional or make it unusable | Mar 15 21:08 |
| Formic_ | LOL | Mar 15 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | and you can customize the layout however you want | Mar 15 21:08 |
| Formic_ | I do think, you're workload is ridiculous | Mar 15 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | I recommend XFCE second, after KDE | Mar 15 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | and after that there's a pretty steep drop off no matter what you choose | Mar 15 21:09 |
| Formic_ | do you keep all that stuff running 24/7 so your old computer doesnt seem slow? | Mar 15 21:09 |
| ThistleWeb | 2 things that make unity an issue performance wise for me, is zeitgeist constantly indexing everything as you work.....then all the daemons enabled by default to provide all the cool notifications in the panel | Mar 15 21:09 |
| ThistleWeb | strip those two ideas away, and unity isn't a big hit, performance wise | Mar 15 21:10 |
| Formic_ | thistleweb - crunchbang is arch right? | Mar 15 21:10 |
| ThistleWeb | nope | Mar 15 21:10 |
| ThistleWeb | debian stable | Mar 15 21:10 |
| Formic_ | ohhh | Mar 15 21:10 |
| msb__ | Formic_: How would screen help me? | Mar 15 21:10 |
| ThistleWeb | packages are kinda old though | Mar 15 21:10 |
| ThistleWeb | mostly that's fine, depending on what you need | Mar 15 21:11 |
| DaemonFC | KDE has that semantic desktop stuff, but it's gotten a lot better than it used to be | Mar 15 21:11 |
| Formic_ | msb__ think about it | Mar 15 21:11 |
| Formic_ | THINK | Mar 15 21:11 |
| DaemonFC | and turning it off is easy if you have no use for it | Mar 15 21:11 |
| msb__ | I keep all that stuff running so its there when I need it, without setting up and taking down programs. | Mar 15 21:11 |
| ThistleWeb | I unzip the firefox and thunderbird archives from mozilla.org into /opt and practically everything is fine | Mar 15 21:11 |
| Formic_ | msb__ to hide the fact that you have a slow computer | Mar 15 21:11 |
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| DaemonFC | ThistleWeb: You could just add the Iceweasel Experimental repositories | Mar 15 21:12 |
| msb__ | I don't have a slow computer. I want to avoid the personal work of running up and taking down the programs. | Mar 15 21:12 |
| ThistleWeb | other than that i don't notice any issue with older versions | Mar 15 21:12 |
| DaemonFC | they have Iceweasel 11 | Mar 15 21:12 |
| Formic_ | msb__ what cpu? | Mar 15 21:12 |
| DaemonFC | those are at least built properly for Debian | Mar 15 21:12 |
| ThistleWeb | stable as hell, lightning fast, even fully LVM encrypted | Mar 15 21:12 |
| Formic_ | thistleweb - debian stable is great, and I agree its fast | Mar 15 21:12 |
| msb__ | It's an AMD 5200 dual core 64 bit, but I use 32 bit. | Mar 15 21:12 |
| Formic_ | msb__ X2? | Mar 15 21:13 |
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| DaemonFC | they're continuing to make Xubuntu obese | Mar 15 21:13 |
| ThistleWeb | the only reasons it's not on the netbook now, is that I need mumble 1.2.3 for recording, and a reliable way to record voice......audacity in debian stable is buggy | Mar 15 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | so I would suggest that you use some other XFCE distro | Mar 15 21:13 |
| ThistleWeb | aptosid xfcde is class | Mar 15 21:14 |
| ThistleWeb | xfce* | Mar 15 21:14 |
| ThistleWeb | minor issue with pyneighborhood but I'll figure that one out when I can be bothered | Mar 15 21:14 |
| Formic_ | msb_ AMD X2 5200+ ? | Mar 15 21:14 |
| ThistleWeb | real classy splash screen between login and desktop coming up | Mar 15 21:15 |
| msb__ | Formic_: That sounds about right, | Mar 15 21:15 |
| Formic_ | 2.7ghz dual core | Mar 15 21:15 |
| Formic_ | DDR2 | Mar 15 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | they've stuffed Xubuntu full of crap from GNOME 3 | Mar 15 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | and several of Ubuntu's overweight and pointless pet projects have ended up there too | Mar 15 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | it's a real horror show | Mar 15 21:16 |
| msb__ | Formic_: Yep | Mar 15 21:16 |
| ThistleWeb | xfce is an odd DE, it's as light or heavy as the distro make it | Mar 15 21:16 |
| Formic_ | msb__ I had that cpu 8 years ago | Mar 15 21:16 |
| ThistleWeb | I tend to prefer all the gnome stuff left out | Mar 15 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora's is alright | Mar 15 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | they tend to do whatever the upstream recommends | Mar 15 21:17 |
| ThistleWeb | wolvix was class too, while it existed | Mar 15 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | in almost all cases | Mar 15 21:17 |
| Formic_ | maybe not 8 years | Mar 15 21:18 |
| msb__ | So? It plays high-def movies on my 1920x1080 screen without pausing. | Mar 15 21:18 |
| Formic_ | but I had it when it was new | Mar 15 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | nutty shit from GNOME and Ubuntu is a drag on how most users will see XFCE | Mar 15 21:18 |
| msb__ | If I had to do any transcoding or huge compiles, I'd want more power, but I don't. | Mar 15 21:20 |
| *prurigro gives voice to DaemonFC | Mar 15 21:20 | |
| *prurigro gives voice to Diablo-D3 | Mar 15 21:20 | |
| DaemonFC | msb__: That's the odd piece of "GNOME" software I actually do like | Mar 15 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | Soundconverter | Mar 15 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | but it runs fine under KDE :) | Mar 15 21:20 |
| msb__ | I guess there are a few flac files I could convert to mp3, but flac and lame should do that. Or soundconverter. Anyhow I can do other stuff while it's running. Two cores. | Mar 15 21:23 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD @firusvg I really hate blogs (and sites in similar format) that don't provide RSS nor Atom feeds - only Twitter accounts or FB pages | Mar 15 21:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jankusanagi/@jankusanagi] RT @mageia Mageia 2 beta 2: near the goal! http://dlvr.it/1KHDmY | Mar 15 21:23 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Mageia 2 beta 2: near the goal! | Mageia Blog (English) .::. Size~: 30.36 KB | Mar 15 21:23 |
| Formic_ | why convert flac to lossy | Mar 15 21:24 |
| Formic_ | x2 can't playback flac? | Mar 15 21:24 |
| Formic_ | hard to believe | Mar 15 21:24 |
| msb__ | When this CPU or mobo dies, I'll get an 8-core with DDR3. But until then I don't need it. | Mar 15 21:24 |
| msb__ | mplayer can play flac. But mp3 takes much less disk space. | Mar 15 21:24 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Laser 'unprinter' wipes photocopied ink from paper http://ur1.ca/8obyh | Mar 15 21:25 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: BBC News - Laser 'unprinter' wipes photocopied ink from paper .::. Size~: 68.95 KB | Mar 15 21:25 |
| Formic_ | then you can run 1761 copies of MC | Mar 15 21:25 |
| Formic_ | everything plays flac | Mar 15 21:25 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Crying Foul At the #BSA's "Nauseating" Anti-Piracy Tactics http://goo.gl/yeFVL | Mar 15 21:26 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Crying Foul At the BSA's "Nauseating" Anti-Piracy Tactics - Slashdot .::. Size~: 51.72 KB | Mar 15 21:27 |
| MinceR | :> | Mar 15 21:27 |
| Formic_ | how much diskspace do you have msb__ | Mar 15 21:27 |
| Formic_ | 1TB ~$100-120 | Mar 15 21:27 |
| Formic_ | your x2 should have sata onboard | Mar 15 21:27 |
| Formic_ | I just got 3 of them last week | Mar 15 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | Is LILO still a bootloader option in Mageia? | Mar 15 21:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Lester Chambers, Successful Musician Who Received No Royalties From '67 To '94, Planning To Sue http://goo.gl/pkZnZ | Mar 15 21:28 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Lester Chambers, Successful Musician Who Received No Royalties From '67 To '94, Planning To Sue | Techdirt .::. Size~: 74.49 KB | Mar 15 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | it was in Mandriva | Mar 15 21:28 |
| DaemonFC | I'd rather use LILO than Grub legacy | Mar 15 21:28 |
| Formic_ | running in raid-z | Mar 15 21:28 |
| Formic_ | on an x2 based server | Mar 15 21:29 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @shutendouji: #venenux salio version 0.9 http://ur1.ca/8o4f0 | Mar 15 21:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Cananda is under attack by #copyright http://ur1.ca/8oceu | Mar 15 21:41 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: VENENUX Massenkoh: Enlace de descarga VENENUX 0.9 y que tendra la proxima .::. Size~: 81.08 KB | Mar 15 21:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Canadian Bill C-11 – Harmful to Free Software | Techrights .::. Size~: 99.05 KB | Mar 15 21:41 |
| msb__ | Formic_: I don't need any more copies of mc than I'm already running. | Mar 15 21:43 |
| msb__ | I have three 2TB disks. | Mar 15 21:45 |
| Formic_ | flac is too big for that? | Mar 15 21:47 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Mad Max hypermiler hacks 2-ton truck & doubles fuel economy - YouTube http://goo.gl/vEWbl #preppers - interesting... | Mar 15 21:48 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Mad Max hypermiler hacks 2-ton truck & doubles fuel economy - YouTube .::. Size~: 147.78 KB | Mar 15 21:48 |
| *neildarlow (~neil@cpc8-bigg3-2-0-cust42.9-2.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #techrights | Mar 15 21:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] #CIA Asset Susan #Lindauer Can Now Speak 10 years after 9-11. - YouTube http://goo.gl/Ww19k #911 | Mar 15 21:55 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: CIA Asset Susan Lindauer Can Now Speak 10 years after 9-11. - YouTube .::. Size~: 129.06 KB | Mar 15 21:55 |
| *neildarlow has quit (Remote host closed the connection) | Mar 15 21:56 | |
| msb__ | Formic_: I have about 1.1 TB of empty space left. | Mar 15 22:09 |
| msb__ | 2.5 hours and the Microsoft propagandists in COLA have not responded to my article. What could they say? | Mar 15 22:11 |
| msb__ | Formic_: I pulled a theme off a DVD -- The Sum Of All Fears -- edited it in audacity, and found that it's structure is so complex that lame made it mushy, so I made a flac out of it instead. | Mar 15 22:13 |
| msb__ | it's --> its | Mar 15 22:13 |
| msb__ | Formic_: My _previous_ mobo had SATA. | Mar 15 22:14 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jankusanagi/@jankusanagi] RT @planetkde Kdenlive fundraising campaign http://dlvr.it/1KJxmX !KDE | Mar 15 22:26 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Kdenlive fundraising campaign | Kdenlive .::. Size~: 17.21 KB | Mar 15 22:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #TechBytes Will Resume http://ur1.ca/8odf9 #techrights #openbytes | Mar 15 22:35 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: TechBytes Will Resume | Techrights .::. Size~: 80.9 KB | Mar 15 22:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @schestowitz: #TechBytes Will Resume http://ur1.ca/8odf9 #techrights #openbytes | Mar 15 22:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] don't you just love people who think the numbers of followers = success? forum with 50000 members, 49995 spam account = 50000 members right? | Mar 15 22:36 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: TechBytes Will Resume | Techrights .::. Size~: 80.9 KB | Mar 15 22:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Facebook's conspicuous absence from the Do Not Track discussions. https://eff.org/r.V8d #DNTrack #privacy | Mar 15 22:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] I guess for some folks, quantity does trump quality, not unlike the spammer model - get loadsa 0 value inlinks = SUCCESS | Mar 15 22:40 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Facebook's (In)conspicuous Absence From the Do Not Track Discussions | Electronic Frontier Foundation .::. Size~: 39.67 KB | Mar 15 22:40 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] American Protests Form Against the Gates Foundation http://ur1.ca/8ody5 #us #billgates | Mar 15 22:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Batalhas climáticas http://goo.gl/GL0TX #ecotretas #agw http://ur1.ca/8odyw | Mar 15 22:58 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: American Protests Form Against the Gates Foundation | Techrights .::. Size~: 82.07 KB | Mar 15 22:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Batalhas climáticas .::. Size~: 70.96 KB | Mar 15 22:58 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] itizens of the United States -- not just people in the developing world -- take it to the streets in protest against Bi http://ur1.ca/8ody5 | Mar 15 23:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] RT @ itizens of the United States -- not just people in the developing world -- take it to the streets in protest against Bi http://ur1. ... | Mar 15 23:00 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: American Protests Form Against the Gates Foundation | Techrights .::. Size~: 82.07 KB | Mar 15 23:00 |
| schestowitz | [18:32] <XFaCE> schestowitz: Hey roy, what happened to the TR spanish portal? | Mar 15 23:03 |
| schestowitz | He's busy | Mar 15 23:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] I'm guessing these "artists" make a great deal about "keeping it real" while inflating their popularity with false fans for the numbers | Mar 15 23:08 | |
| DaemonFC | There's always 50 Cent in get out of paying my doctor or die tryin' | Mar 15 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Mar 15 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | the RIAA sure represents a lot of talentless hacks | Mar 15 23:10 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.8/ | Mar 15 23:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: SeaMonkey 2.8 Release Notes .::. Size~: 19.09 KB | Mar 15 23:12 |
| DaemonFC | Seamonkey 2.8 is out | Mar 15 23:12 |
| DaemonFC | based on the Gecko platform used in Firefox 11 | Mar 15 23:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Patents Roundup: Android/Linux, Yahoo!, and More http://ur1.ca/8oeeg #swpats #linux | Mar 15 23:15 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Patents Roundup: Android/Linux, Yahoo!, and More | Techrights .::. Size~: 86.75 KB | Mar 15 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=709193 | Mar 15 23:26 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Mar 15 23:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: 709193 – Win PGO builds hitting 3GB virtual address space limit, failing with: "nswindowmediator.cpp(821) : fatal error C1001: An internal error has occurred in the compiler. LINK : fatal error LNK1000: Internal error during IMAGE::BuildImage" .::. Size~: 111.35 KB | Mar 15 23:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] So I am trying to revive the analogue world. Inwill only buy vinyl records. Take pictures with my polaroid camera and ... http://b1t.it/a6lF | Mar 15 23:28 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Jan Wildeboer - Google+ - So I am trying to revive the analogue world. Inwill only… .::. Size~: 84.53 KB | Mar 15 23:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Mozilla and Others Still Lead Opposition to Software Patents http://ur1.ca/8oeve #swpats #patents | Mar 15 23:33 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Mozilla and Others Still Lead Opposition to Software Patents | Techrights .::. Size~: 87.46 KB | Mar 15 23:33 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: Maybe it's time for a Canadian portal? :D | Mar 15 23:34 |
| schestowitz | of course | Mar 15 23:35 |
| schestowitz | make one | Mar 15 23:35 |
| schestowitz | and collect pages of relevant | Mar 15 23:35 |
| schestowitz | for th index | Mar 15 23:35 |
| schestowitz | then add to it, over time, new articles | Mar 15 23:35 |
| schestowitz | i4 might belong there too | Mar 15 23:35 |
| XFaCE | and add more "ehs" and replace all mentions of Mac & Cheese with Kraft Dinner? | Mar 15 23:36 |
| schestowitz | Heh | Mar 15 23:37 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: I'm using grub legacy | Mar 15 23:37 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Actually, wrap that, I'm using grub4dos | Mar 15 23:37 |
| XFaCE | n/m | Mar 15 23:37 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: how well has the article gone down? | Mar 15 23:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[torproject/@torproject] "Tor: Join the Network!" video now on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h114LK71GOo | Mar 15 23:38 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Tor: Join the Network! - YouTube .::. Size~: 101.91 KB | Mar 15 23:38 |
| XFaCE | any feedback? bad or good? | Mar 15 23:38 |
| DaemonFC | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Anonymous-OS-Live-CD-Based-on-Ubuntu-is-Fake-258700.shtml | Mar 15 23:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Anonymous-OS Live CD Based on Ubuntu is Fake - Softpedia .::. Size~: 51.67 KB | Mar 15 23:40 |
| XFaCE | http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120315/08475818116/when-entertainment-industry-numbers-are-more-suited-to-comedy-than-analysis.shtml | Mar 15 23:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: When Entertainment Industry Numbers Are More Suited To Comedy Than Analysis | Techdirt .::. Size~: 155.2 KB | Mar 15 23:41 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: I love the trolls | Mar 15 23:41 |
| XFaCE | one of them actually messed up who wrote the article twice | Mar 15 23:41 |
| XFaCE | "Um. You really can't read, can you? Marcus didn't write the article either!" | Mar 15 23:41 |
| XFaCE | oh wait, n/m | Mar 15 23:43 |
| XFaCE | They only screwed up who wrote it once | Mar 15 23:43 |
| XFaCE | only | Mar 15 23:43 |
| schestowitz | XFaCE: ask about thre article in a few days | Mar 15 23:43 |
| schestowitz | when I can compare numbers | Mar 15 23:43 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: Word | Mar 15 23:44 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: I dented/disapored it before you, but you have the bigger audience there | Mar 15 23:44 |
| XFaCE | plus reddit | Mar 15 23:44 |
| schestowitz | I have only just joined reddit | Mar 15 23:45 |
| schestowitz | I got karma 64 already :-) | Mar 15 23:46 |
| schestowitz | today I got a phone with a proper keyboard | Mar 15 23:47 |
| schestowitz | and I did not give any idenifying details | Mar 15 23:47 |
| schestowitz | It reminds me I need to blog about it | Mar 15 23:47 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Apple: When ‘Fans’ Are Simply Bribed, Too http://ur1.ca/8of5x #apple #airtasker #hype #marketing | Mar 15 23:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Comcast, Time Warner and Verizon soon to file for bankruptcy http://identi.ca/url/68017752 | Mar 15 23:56 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Apple: When ‘Fans’ Are Simply Bribed, Too | Techrights .::. Size~: 83.86 KB | Mar 15 23:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: RIAA chief: ISPs to start policing copyright by July 12 | Media Maverick - CNET News .::. Size~: 82.11 KB | Mar 15 23:57 |
| DaemonFC | Word 2010 | Mar 15 23:57 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 15 23:57 |
| DaemonFC | Wordx | Mar 15 23:58 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Canada turns to terrorism to stop the piracy boogieman http://identi.ca/url/67994566 | Mar 15 23:58 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Canadian Bill C-11 – Harmful to Free Software | Techrights .::. Size~: 99.29 KB | Mar 15 23:58 |
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