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| MinceR | http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/ | Apr 11 02:56 |
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| TechrightsSocial | Title: PHP: a fractal of bad design - fuzzy notepad .::. Size~: 76.3 KB | Apr 11 02:56 |
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| qu1j0t3 | XFaCE: check my twitter. :/ | Apr 11 09:57 |
| qu1j0t3 | MinceR: as a full time 'php dev' (!!! :() i agree with that post | Apr 11 09:58 |
| qu1j0t3 | MinceR: drives me batshit | Apr 11 09:58 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 11 09:58 |
| MinceR | i hacked up some php last year, iirc | Apr 11 09:58 |
| MinceR | could be worse, though | Apr 11 09:59 |
| qu1j0t3 | i didn't expect to be doing it in 2012. | Apr 11 09:59 |
| MinceR | could be asp or asp.net | Apr 11 09:59 |
| qu1j0t3 | i thought i'd kissed php goodbye in 2004. | Apr 11 09:59 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 11 09:59 |
| qu1j0t3 | we have 200,000 LOC of it. | Apr 11 10:02 |
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| qu1j0t3 | it's just shit all the way down. | Apr 11 10:02 |
| qu1j0t3 | MinceR: i agree with the blog's premise that there are no redeeming features. | Apr 11 10:02 |
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| schestowitz | BT has a major cockup, many of my neighbours too lost their landline (and with it broadband, no matter the ISP) | Apr 11 10:10 |
| schestowitz | BT didn't sort if out | Apr 11 10:11 |
| schestowitz | they say some time by Fridat | Apr 11 10:11 |
| schestowitz | Mark Taylor is typing... | Apr 11 10:11 |
| schestowitz | took them long enough to get it sorted out too... | Apr 11 10:12 |
| schestowitz | Just to let you know, I finally got back online. The dongle $employer gave me last year is not PAYG, I went to O2 shop today, they say I need to use my old SIM card | Apr 11 10:12 |
| oiaohm | My last major screwup up here was a backhoe meeting the major fiberline for the state I am in. | Apr 11 10:12 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: hey should not BT be paying for the dongle. | Apr 11 10:14 |
| MinceR | like they say, "the big yello cable-finder machine" | Apr 11 10:14 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: here in Australia breach of service | Apr 11 10:14 |
| MinceR | s/llo/llow/ | Apr 11 10:14 |
| schestowitz | my older dongle and SIM card seem to work for now | Apr 11 10:14 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: they contracted to provide now cannot so 3g or sat or any other method | Apr 11 10:14 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: maybe he doesn't want a BT dongle? :> | Apr 11 10:14 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: yeah | Apr 11 10:14 |
| schestowitz | I phones them 3 times, like half an hour at most | Apr 11 10:14 |
| schestowitz | They make excuses up | Apr 11 10:14 |
| schestowitz | And the BT engs have not been here yet, they say they have | Apr 11 10:15 |
| oiaohm | Australia is fairly blunt on it. | Apr 11 10:15 |
| schestowitz | I know the person in BT I will send a complain to | Apr 11 10:15 |
| schestowitz | I know the person in BT I will send a complaint to | Apr 11 10:15 |
| oiaohm | Fairtrading will kick there ass badly here. | Apr 11 10:15 |
| oiaohm | How us the UK equal to fair trading. | Apr 11 10:15 |
| oiaohm | In a case like this I don't bother ringing the phone company more than once. | Apr 11 10:15 |
| oiaohm | Australian fair trading has teeth. | Apr 11 10:16 |
| oiaohm | So much so the ISP basically in case of outage normally first offer is to refund cost of ISP contract for the at least a month up front. | Apr 11 10:17 |
| oiaohm | So you can make other arganements. | Apr 11 10:17 |
| schestowitz | anyway, bottom line is, I'm not perfectly capable of working any time. Took me a while to set up the dongle for technical reasons, confusion, and miscommunication from BT (them trying to make it appear as though the connection to be fine "real soon now") | Apr 11 10:17 |
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| oiaohm | The cable by backhoe we could not all the ISP. | Apr 11 10:18 |
| oiaohm | They had to use another carrier to call us. | Apr 11 10:19 |
| oiaohm | True screw ups of screwups and it was like o opps. | Apr 11 10:19 |
| oiaohm | But I have businesses where telstra has promised to have services active on X day. | Apr 11 10:19 |
| oiaohm | Fails then business cannot beleive the payouts that come to keep fairtrading off there back. | Apr 11 10:20 |
| schestowitz | o2 smtp for mobile broadband is a pile of rubbish | Apr 11 10:26 |
| schestowitz | my phone line is down, BT is major crap. I'll complain to them formally in a second. | Apr 11 11:00 |
| schestowitz | A conversation | Apr 11 11:14 |
| schestowitz | took place just /minutes/ ago. | Apr 11 11:14 |
| schestowitz | It's me and the CEO | Apr 11 11:15 |
| schestowitz | It turns | Apr 11 11:15 |
| schestowitz | out that they want to promote me and they want me to come down to | Apr 11 11:15 |
| schestowitz | London. | Apr 11 11:15 |
| schestowitz | We'll talk about it thus/next month. In April 26th-27th I'm in | Apr 11 11:15 |
| schestowitz | London, so I need to tell them the decision. :-) | Apr 11 11:15 |
| schestowitz | Shall I come down to live in London? | Apr 11 11:15 |
| schestowitz | I also just got some photos of the christening of my goddaughter | Apr 11 11:15 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR/ prurigro: do you have logs for this channel (since BT went titsup)? | Apr 11 13:12 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1493698# | Apr 11 13:42 |
| TechrightsSocial | Not a Diaspora post? | Apr 11 13:42 |
| schestowitz | " | Apr 11 13:42 |
| schestowitz | @Mbugua Iran has oil but it is entirely their business whether they want nuclear power or not. Its none of the US's business. They might want it for the lulz. You don't get to decide that for them. Whether or not Iran shall have nuclear power is the business of all human beings because of the dangers involved. As the Iranian decision-makers are only a handful of people, as opposed to the millions that compose the republics | Apr 11 13:42 |
| schestowitz | which are against nuclear power, and thus the potential to create nuclear weapons in Iranian hands. | Apr 11 13:42 |
| schestowitz | About the "wiping" quote: First of all, the very same translation is still present on the official homepage of Ahmadinedjad. And if it's still a wrong translation, well here's another rather new statement from Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, religious and political leader: | Apr 11 13:42 |
| schestowitz | It is a “‘jurisprudential justification” to kill all the Jews and annihilate Israel, and in that, the Islamic government of Iran must take the helm.” | Apr 11 13:42 |
| schestowitz | Next, no matter how many fallacies the US have committed, no matter how many wars started, it won't change that you're trying to use it as a straw man just as the OP picture does: Suggesting that the US must not mess with Iranian politics because of the only numbers, if tweaked a little and generously separated from their original context, seemingly providing a better moral position for the Iran. Considering what the Iranian | Apr 11 13:42 |
| schestowitz | government does to its own people, I find this disgusting. | Apr 11 13:43 |
| schestowitz | Also, if you continue to use straw man arguments, continued discussion is pointless. | Apr 11 13:43 |
| schestowitz | I don't accept the links you gave for gender and for democracy . Its one thing to quote wikipedia and some ngo, but who says they are credible. | Apr 11 13:43 |
| schestowitz | You're on very thin ice as you fail to provide any counter arguments. | Apr 11 13:43 |
| schestowitz | Also, to quote from the very same website: The first Human Development Report introduced a new way of measuring development by combining indicators of life expectancy, educational attainment and income into a composite human development index, the HDI. | Apr 11 13:43 |
| schestowitz | I don't see how any of the three pillars of the index has anything to do with my original claims, nor with democracy, due process based justice systems or gender equality. | Apr 11 13:43 |
| schestowitz | About your videos... Press TV takes revolutionary steps as the first Iranian international news network, broadcasting in English on a round-the-clock basis. | Apr 11 13:43 |
| schestowitz | That's fucking Iranian propaganda channel. Are you kidding me? | Apr 11 13:43 |
| schestowitz | " | Apr 11 13:43 |
| schestowitz | " | Apr 11 13:43 |
| schestowitz | @Mbugua Iran has oil but it is entirely their business whether they want nuclear power or not. Its none of the US's business. They might want it for the lulz. You don't get to decide that for them. Whether or not Iran shall have nuclear power is the business of all human beings because of the dangers involved. As the Iranian decision-makers are only a handful of people, as opposed to the millions that compose the republics | Apr 11 13:43 |
| schestowitz | which are against nuclear power, and thus the potential to create nuclear weapons in Iranian hands. | Apr 11 13:43 |
| schestowitz | About the "wiping" quote: First of all, the very same translation is still present on the official homepage of Ahmadinedjad. And if it's still a wrong translation, well here's another rather new statement from Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, religious and political leader: | Apr 11 13:43 |
| schestowitz | It is a “‘jurisprudential justification” to kill all the Jews and annihilate Israel, and in that, the Islamic government of Iran must take the helm.” | Apr 11 13:43 |
| schestowitz | Next, no matter how many fallacies the US have committed, no matter how many wars started, it won't change that you're trying to use it as a straw man just as the OP picture does: Suggesting that the US must not mess with Iranian politics because of the only numbers, if tweaked a little and generously separated from their original context, seemingly providing a better moral position for the Iran. Considering what the Iranian | Apr 11 13:43 |
| schestowitz | government does to its own people, I find this disgusting. | Apr 11 13:43 |
| schestowitz | Also, if you continue to use straw man arguments, continued discussion is pointless. | Apr 11 13:43 |
| schestowitz | I don't accept the links you gave for gender and for democracy . Its one thing to quote wikipedia and some ngo, but who says they are credible. | Apr 11 13:43 |
| schestowitz | You're on very thin ice as you fail to provide any counter arguments. | Apr 11 13:43 |
| schestowitz | Also, to quote from the very same website: The first Human Development Report introduced a new way of measuring development by combining indicators of life expectancy, educational attainment and income into a composite human development index, the HDI. | Apr 11 13:43 |
| schestowitz | I don't see how any of the three pillars of the index has anything to do with my original claims, nor with democracy, due process based justice systems or gender equality. | Apr 11 13:43 |
| schestowitz | About your videos... Press TV takes revolutionary steps as the first Iranian international news network, broadcasting in English on a round-the-clock basis. | Apr 11 13:43 |
| schestowitz | That's fucking Iranian propaganda channel. Are you kidding me? | Apr 11 13:43 |
| schestowitz | " | Apr 11 13:43 |
| schestowitz | "Oh, and about the Clinton quote, The US consistently uses the formula of "all options are on the table" meaning nuclear war options included.: It is a very bold conclusion to assume that something which leads to inevitable, mutually assured destruction is considered an "option" to a country other than a madman regime - and further conclude the US would want to eradicate all of Iran, just because - in other words - they did | Apr 11 13:43 |
| schestowitz | not explicitly exclude what is obviously out of question." | Apr 11 13:43 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: i do | Apr 11 14:01 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: thanks, pls hold on to it, we'll need it later (when the BT crapstorm is finished and they fix the exchange) :-) | Apr 11 15:01 |
| MinceR | ok | Apr 11 15:01 |
| prurigro | schestowitz, MinceR I believe I do as well if anything is missing on yours MinceR | Apr 11 18:46 |
| schestowitz | prurigro: thanks, I'll need those when my landline and Ethernet come back, I'm on cellphone networks at the moment | Apr 11 18:49 |
| prurigro | oh ouch | Apr 11 18:49 |
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| *Now talking on #boycottnovell-social | Apr 11 15:18 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social is: TechRights.org | Channel #boycottnovell-social for http://TechRights.org | Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software :: please also join channels #techrights and #boycottnovell | Apr 11 15:18 | |
| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Fri May 7 00:20:14 2010 | Apr 11 15:18 | |
| oiaohm | The cable by backhoe we could not all the ISP. | Apr 11 15:19 |
| oiaohm | They had to use another carrier to call us. | Apr 11 15:19 |
| oiaohm | True screw ups of screwups and it was like o opps. | Apr 11 15:19 |
| oiaohm | But I have businesses where telstra has promised to have services active on X day. | Apr 11 15:19 |
| oiaohm | Fails then business cannot beleive the payouts that come to keep fairtrading off there back. | Apr 11 15:20 |
| schestowitz | o2 smtp for mobile broadband is a pile of rubbish | Apr 11 15:26 |
| schestowitz | my phone line is down, BT is major crap. I'll complain to them formally in a second. | Apr 11 16:00 |
| schestowitz | A conversation | Apr 11 16:15 |
| schestowitz | took place just /minutes/ ago. | Apr 11 16:15 |
| schestowitz | It's me and the CEO | Apr 11 16:15 |
| schestowitz | It turns | Apr 11 16:15 |
| schestowitz | out that they want to promote me and they want me to come down to | Apr 11 16:15 |
| schestowitz | London. | Apr 11 16:15 |
| schestowitz | We'll talk about it thus/next month. In April 26th-27th I'm in | Apr 11 16:15 |
| schestowitz | London, so I need to tell them the decision. :-) | Apr 11 16:15 |
| schestowitz | Shall I come down to live in London? | Apr 11 16:15 |
| schestowitz | I also just got some photos of the christening of my goddaughter | Apr 11 16:15 |
| *oiaohm has quit (Quit: by all) | Apr 11 16:43 | |
| schestowitz | MinceR/ prurigro: do you have logs for this channel (since BT went titsup)? | Apr 11 18:12 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1493698# | Apr 11 18:42 |
| TechrightsSocial | Not a Diaspora post? | Apr 11 18:42 |
| schestowitz | " | Apr 11 18:43 |
| schestowitz | @Mbugua Iran has oil but it is entirely their business whether they want nuclear power or not. Its none of the US's business. They might want it for the lulz. You don't get to decide that for them. Whether or not Iran shall have nuclear power is the business of all human beings because of the dangers involved. As the Iranian decision-makers are only a handful of people, as opposed to the millions that compose the republics | Apr 11 18:43 |
| schestowitz | which are against nuclear power, and thus the potential to create nuclear weapons in Iranian hands. | Apr 11 18:43 |
| schestowitz | About the "wiping" quote: First of all, the very same translation is still present on the official homepage of Ahmadinedjad. And if it's still a wrong translation, well here's another rather new statement from Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, religious and political leader: | Apr 11 18:43 |
| schestowitz | It is a “‘jurisprudential justification” to kill all the Jews and annihilate Israel, and in that, the Islamic government of Iran must take the helm.” | Apr 11 18:43 |
| schestowitz | Next, no matter how many fallacies the US have committed, no matter how many wars started, it won't change that you're trying to use it as a straw man just as the OP picture does: Suggesting that the US must not mess with Iranian politics because of the only numbers, if tweaked a little and generously separated from their original context, seemingly providing a better moral position for the Iran. Considering what the Iranian | Apr 11 18:43 |
| schestowitz | government does to its own people, I find this disgusting. | Apr 11 18:43 |
| schestowitz | Also, if you continue to use straw man arguments, continued discussion is pointless. | Apr 11 18:43 |
| schestowitz | I don't accept the links you gave for gender and for democracy . Its one thing to quote wikipedia and some ngo, but who says they are credible. | Apr 11 18:43 |
| schestowitz | You're on very thin ice as you fail to provide any counter arguments. | Apr 11 18:43 |
| schestowitz | Also, to quote from the very same website: The first Human Development Report introduced a new way of measuring development by combining indicators of life expectancy, educational attainment and income into a composite human development index, the HDI. | Apr 11 18:43 |
| schestowitz | I don't see how any of the three pillars of the index has anything to do with my original claims, nor with democracy, due process based justice systems or gender equality. | Apr 11 18:43 |
| schestowitz | About your videos... Press TV takes revolutionary steps as the first Iranian international news network, broadcasting in English on a round-the-clock basis. | Apr 11 18:43 |
| schestowitz | That's fucking Iranian propaganda channel. Are you kidding me? | Apr 11 18:43 |
| schestowitz | " | Apr 11 18:43 |
| schestowitz | " | Apr 11 18:43 |
| schestowitz | @Mbugua Iran has oil but it is entirely their business whether they want nuclear power or not. Its none of the US's business. They might want it for the lulz. You don't get to decide that for them. Whether or not Iran shall have nuclear power is the business of all human beings because of the dangers involved. As the Iranian decision-makers are only a handful of people, as opposed to the millions that compose the republics | Apr 11 18:43 |
| schestowitz | which are against nuclear power, and thus the potential to create nuclear weapons in Iranian hands. | Apr 11 18:43 |
| schestowitz | About the "wiping" quote: First of all, the very same translation is still present on the official homepage of Ahmadinedjad. And if it's still a wrong translation, well here's another rather new statement from Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, religious and political leader: | Apr 11 18:43 |
| schestowitz | It is a “‘jurisprudential justification” to kill all the Jews and annihilate Israel, and in that, the Islamic government of Iran must take the helm.” | Apr 11 18:43 |
| schestowitz | Next, no matter how many fallacies the US have committed, no matter how many wars started, it won't change that you're trying to use it as a straw man just as the OP picture does: Suggesting that the US must not mess with Iranian politics because of the only numbers, if tweaked a little and generously separated from their original context, seemingly providing a better moral position for the Iran. Considering what the Iranian | Apr 11 18:43 |
| schestowitz | government does to its own people, I find this disgusting. | Apr 11 18:43 |
| schestowitz | Also, if you continue to use straw man arguments, continued discussion is pointless. | Apr 11 18:43 |
| schestowitz | I don't accept the links you gave for gender and for democracy . Its one thing to quote wikipedia and some ngo, but who says they are credible. | Apr 11 18:43 |
| schestowitz | You're on very thin ice as you fail to provide any counter arguments. | Apr 11 18:43 |
| schestowitz | Also, to quote from the very same website: The first Human Development Report introduced a new way of measuring development by combining indicators of life expectancy, educational attainment and income into a composite human development index, the HDI. | Apr 11 18:43 |
| schestowitz | I don't see how any of the three pillars of the index has anything to do with my original claims, nor with democracy, due process based justice systems or gender equality. | Apr 11 18:43 |
| schestowitz | About your videos... Press TV takes revolutionary steps as the first Iranian international news network, broadcasting in English on a round-the-clock basis. | Apr 11 18:43 |
| schestowitz | That's fucking Iranian propaganda channel. Are you kidding me? | Apr 11 18:43 |
| schestowitz | " | Apr 11 18:43 |
| schestowitz | "Oh, and about the Clinton quote, The US consistently uses the formula of "all options are on the table" meaning nuclear war options included.: It is a very bold conclusion to assume that something which leads to inevitable, mutually assured destruction is considered an "option" to a country other than a madman regime - and further conclude the US would want to eradicate all of Iran, just because - in other words - they did | Apr 11 18:43 |
| schestowitz | not explicitly exclude what is obviously out of question." | Apr 11 18:43 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: i do | Apr 11 19:01 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: thanks, pls hold on to it, we'll need it later (when the BT crapstorm is finished and they fix the exchange) :-) | Apr 11 20:01 |
| MinceR | ok | Apr 11 20:02 |
| prurigro | schestowitz, MinceR I believe I do as well if anything is missing on yours MinceR | Apr 11 23:46 |
| schestowitz | prurigro: thanks, I'll need those when my landline and Ethernet come back, I'm on cellphone networks at the moment | Apr 11 23:49 |
| prurigro | oh ouch | Apr 11 23:49 |
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