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| schestowitz | jono: look what I submitted to reddit... http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/rucp2/looking_towards_ubuntu_1204/ | Apr 06 00:01 |
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| jono | thanks schestowitz! | Apr 06 00:02 |
| DaemonFC | probably not smart but I'm attempting to fix a speaker while it's plugged in | Apr 06 00:05 |
| DaemonFC | oh well | Apr 06 00:05 |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Apr 06 00:06 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | ello | Apr 06 00:10 |
| sebsebseb | hi | Apr 06 00:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @x11r5: @thistleweb I'm going for a fact that seo's don't spam social networks | Apr 06 00:14 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] The Daily Bell - Western Elites Encourage Dollar Death With Uruguayan/Iran Deal? http://goo.gl/K9UCW | Apr 06 00:14 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iriFdm6ZVDA&feature=digest_mon | Apr 06 00:14 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] The Daily Bell - Bin Laden Death Movie Mired in Controversy http://goo.gl/povza #obl #psyops | Apr 06 00:17 | |
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| DaemonFC | well, I broke a screw | Apr 06 00:17 |
| DaemonFC | but I'm sure Dawn would give me one | Apr 06 00:17 |
| schestowitz | she doesn't screw around,does she? | Apr 06 00:18 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: want to help us promote Mageia maybe at a university on 19th May? | Apr 06 00:18 |
| DaemonFC | she said she thought we should go into business together one time and I told her "As what? Do I look like a pimp?" | Apr 06 00:19 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Apr 06 00:19 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] The latest twist in Viacom v. YouTube is out today — and it's mostly good news for the Internet. https://eff.org/r.2WP | Apr 06 00:21 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Viacom v. Google: A Decision at Last, and It's Mostly Good (for the Internet and Innovation) | Electronic Frontier Foundation .::. Size~: 39.62 KB | Apr 06 00:21 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 5/4/2012: Early Look at GNOME 3.4, Mageia 2 Postponed http://ur1.ca/8xh6e #techrights | Apr 06 00:41 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] In 14 days Julian Assange will have been detained without charge for 500 days http://t.co/h3BcA4pC | Apr 06 00:51 | |
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| abushcrafterfor1 | poor Julian | Apr 06 00:55 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | 500 days with no internet! :O | Apr 06 00:55 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] The diry media war on WikiLeaks | Pilger http://t.co/fCSq7TZZ #levenson #svpol #auspol | Apr 06 00:56 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The dirty war on WikiLeaks | John Pilger | Comment is free | The Guardian .::. Size~: 256.5 KB | Apr 06 00:56 |
| schestowitz | he has internet | Apr 06 01:00 |
| schestowitz | afaik | Apr 06 01:00 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjZIryL_SYo&feature=related | Apr 06 01:01 |
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| scientes | schestowitz, oh gosh | Apr 06 01:06 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Two months remaining to submit your best video to explain OER. Spread the word! http://ur1.ca/8j3r1 Deadline June 5 @openedmatters | Apr 06 01:32 | |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/BenderPL/statuses/187996977311645696 | Apr 06 01:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @BenderPL: @schestowitz Completely agree, "M$ top contributor to Linux kernel", It's past 1st April or what? Then whole bunch of M$ apologists... | Apr 06 01:32 |
| DaemonFC | Steve Ballmer is champion of freedom, freedom to stay handcuffed to Windows and run Linux in Hyper-V | Apr 06 01:37 |
| DaemonFC | See what wonderful thigns they've done? They've allowed their own software to work | Apr 06 01:37 |
| DaemonFC | isn't that wonderful? | Apr 06 01:38 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 06 01:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Assange submissions to the Levenson Inquiry http://t.co/CPkDmqqD | Apr 06 01:41 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] Here's details of #Manchester Pride, and Parade in honour of Alan Turing and 'Queer’d Science': bit.ly/I9aYqG #Turing #LGBT #gay #gaykrant | Apr 06 01:46 | |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHMVqQfXvNk&feature=related | Apr 06 02:20 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Thanks! So, you can now "silence" spammers, and "unsilence" the innocent. You'll also see spam (red exclamation point). | Apr 06 02:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] When are the member meetings? | Apr 06 02:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] OFCOM continues its investigation into smear film "WikiLeaks: Secrets & Lies". Ch4 admits David Leigh was secret paid production member. | Apr 06 02:26 | |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbJ-y6BWfUc&feature=related | Apr 06 02:26 |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIUTUVVRtFA&feature=relmfu | Apr 06 02:28 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] FilKONtario 22 - April 20 - 22 2012 http://wp.me/p1gQ8u-Yz #filk #fantasy #Sciencefiction #SF #music #folk | Apr 06 03:11 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.itworld.com/business/264694/internet-golden-age-online-services | Apr 06 03:14 |
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| DaemonFC | http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2012/04/03/hwa-updates-and-opera-cpu | Apr 06 03:17 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @tinydroptest2 schuldgevoel, ja? ;) | Apr 06 03:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @davyyl Vakantie? | Apr 06 03:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: I'm at Hot Club de Gand (Gent, Oost-Vlaanderen) w/ 5 others http://t.co/UTpjgx3u | Apr 06 03:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] I was a Delphi guy myself-->"Before the Internet: The golden age of online services" (ITworld): http://bit.ly/HkKdnk | Apr 06 03:26 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] Mainstream Fallacy - You Can't Edit Yourself http://wp.me/p1z9Qo-3F #writing #editing #MyWANA #Publishing | Apr 06 04:54 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] San Franciscans, call Mayor Ed Lee and tell him to sign the safe SF Civil Rights Ordinance: https://eff.org/r.W9Q | Apr 06 05:44 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Targeted attacks against Syrian Internet activists escalate. @EFF's @evacide and @headhntr describe the latest: https://eff.org/r.1WS #syria | Apr 06 05:56 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] I won't have this week's !InconstantMoon special feature done before tomorrow (fingers crossed) ~ having trouble finding Jose :) !selfPUB | Apr 06 06:14 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Detective Bui's Dog & Pony Show: "Leslie Spit destruction of ‘potentially explosive materials’ fizzles" http://www.ur1.ca/8xz6i !FreeByron | Apr 06 06:17 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Toronto News: Leslie Spit destruction of ‘potentially explosive materials’ fizzles - thestar.com .::. Size~: 108.88 KB | Apr 06 06:17 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Seems that #Wikipedia is correct: Potassium Chlorate is an oxidizer, *not* an explosive ... poor Detective Bui #facepalm !FreeByron | Apr 06 06:21 | |
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| DaemonFC | I should stop drinking coffee in the evening | Apr 06 06:32 |
| DaemonFC | makes my body play tricks on me | Apr 06 06:32 |
| DaemonFC | tired so I lay down, once I lay down, I'm wide awake again | Apr 06 06:33 |
| DaemonFC | decide to get back up, check my mail, play chess | Apr 06 06:33 |
| prurigro | that always happens to me, with or without coffee-- feel super exhausted, attempt to sleep | Apr 06 06:34 |
| prurigro | suddenly wide awake | Apr 06 06:34 |
| DaemonFC | my body is tired but my mind is wide awake | Apr 06 06:35 |
| prurigro | in contrast however, I find if you whip out a textbook on some horrible subject, that's usually a sure fire way to get extremely tired when previously awake | Apr 06 06:35 |
| DaemonFC | "I don't care what you feel like...." says the brain to the body.... | Apr 06 06:36 |
| DaemonFC | "Get your ass out of bed and go do stuff" | Apr 06 06:36 |
| DaemonFC | "Don't worry, I'll have a psychotic break sooner or later..." the brain continues. | Apr 06 06:37 |
| prurigro | that's my #1 reason for loving smartphones | Apr 06 06:37 |
| prurigro | you lie in bed, perfectly still | Apr 06 06:37 |
| DaemonFC | "Then they'll be scraping pieces of that horrible neighbor lady off the ceiling!" | Apr 06 06:37 |
| prurigro | prop the smartphone in front of your face with your hand holding it | Apr 06 06:37 |
| prurigro | and lol | Apr 06 06:37 |
| prurigro | he's kidding, FBI, CIA and homeland security | Apr 06 06:38 |
| abeNd-org | dont most have built in kickstands these days, or at least cases that allow it? | Apr 06 06:38 |
| prurigro | like, a joke, you know what a joke is FBI/CIA/Homeland Security? | Apr 06 06:39 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] An excuse for police to play? http://www.ur1.ca/8xz6i RT @parlementum ground penetrating radar? will they call in psychics next? !FreeByron | Apr 06 06:39 | |
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| DaemonFC | every time I hear "Homeland Security" I start whistling Horst-Wessel-Lied | Apr 06 06:39 |
| prurigro | oh? I haven't heard that one | Apr 06 06:40 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzeNj1vlzAk&skipcontrinter=1 | Apr 06 06:40 |
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| DaemonFC | the Nazi anthem | Apr 06 06:40 |
| prurigro | lol | Apr 06 06:40 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @stav Flat panel TV's sure have come down in price. Today, I bought a 39-in set for $329! The 48-in I bought 8 years ago was $3000! # ... | Apr 06 06:41 | |
| prurigro | its funny, someone recently point out that in the 50s, everyone was afraid of getting deported and thrown in the Gulag for crimes only recognized in the USSR | Apr 06 06:41 |
| prurigro | and now people are actually being stolen away from their native countries to get thrown in the US' slightly less centralized prison industrial complex | Apr 06 06:42 |
| prurigro | for laws only illegal in the US | Apr 06 06:42 |
| prurigro | how the tables have turned | Apr 06 06:42 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, whoever lives in such a country should overthrow their government | Apr 06 06:42 |
| DaemonFC | arrest everyone that was responsible for said policies | Apr 06 06:42 |
| DaemonFC | and give them life sentences | Apr 06 06:42 |
| prurigro | I'm not gonna say anything, but the right to bear arms exists in the US for a reason | Apr 06 06:43 |
| prurigro | bare*? | Apr 06 06:43 |
| prurigro | lol | Apr 06 06:43 |
| DaemonFC | I have several | Apr 06 06:43 |
| prurigro | bear I think... actually | Apr 06 06:43 |
| prurigro | and word, you don't say | Apr 06 06:43 |
| DaemonFC | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1911_pistol | Apr 06 06:44 |
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| DaemonFC | my uncle gave me one of these | Apr 06 06:44 |
| DaemonFC | that's the most recent one I got | Apr 06 06:44 |
| prurigro | its pretty genius, the US has all these laws that give them the ability to take down corrupt governments, and the corrupt governments actually point these laws out frequently, perhaps as examples why they're not corrupt, then divide people so they can't organize themselves enough to take them out anyway | Apr 06 06:45 |
| prurigro | and word, looks like a high quality piece of equipment there | Apr 06 06:45 |
| DaemonFC | glad I already had a few boxes of ammunition for it | Apr 06 06:46 |
| DaemonFC | the hicks are worried Obama will take their guns away this time around | Apr 06 06:46 |
| prurigro | if the conservatives hadn't tightened up gun control to the point where I'd get interviewed everytime a pistol was fired in the city, my gf and I would have gone for something in that direction I think | Apr 06 06:46 |
| DaemonFC | so they're buying all the ammunition they can get | Apr 06 06:46 |
| DaemonFC | and that has led to a shortage of just about every kind | Apr 06 06:46 |
| prurigro | its strange how liberals in the US are the ones pushing gun control | Apr 06 06:46 |
| DaemonFC | and 4 years from now when Obama has still done nothing to pass gun control laws..... | Apr 06 06:47 |
| prurigro | actually, that's a good point | Apr 06 06:47 |
| prurigro | its more the conservatives in the US that say the liberals are going to pass gun control | Apr 06 06:47 |
| DaemonFC | but all that ammunition laying around has found its way into use in crimes or kids finding a gun and shooting themselves... | Apr 06 06:47 |
| prurigro | noone ever really even touches the subject at the national level | Apr 06 06:47 |
| prurigro | and wow as if eh | Apr 06 06:48 |
| DaemonFC | I always store them unloaded | Apr 06 06:48 |
| prurigro | as you should | Apr 06 06:48 |
| prurigro | keep em locked too? | Apr 06 06:48 |
| DaemonFC | and I make sure they are unloaded | Apr 06 06:48 |
| DaemonFC | no | Apr 06 06:48 |
| DaemonFC | no kids | Apr 06 06:48 |
| prurigro | hmm, you should anyway | Apr 06 06:48 |
| DaemonFC | (they all shot themselves, oh well) | Apr 06 06:48 |
| DaemonFC | no, I joke | Apr 06 06:48 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Apr 06 06:48 |
| prurigro | haha | Apr 06 06:48 |
| prurigro | I was thinking more that you wouldn't be helping burglars out | Apr 06 06:49 |
| prurigro | also, nice cases protect against water damage etc too | Apr 06 06:49 |
| DaemonFC | prurigro, It's amazing how many people are so careless about how they store their guns that they end up shooting themselves | Apr 06 06:49 |
| DaemonFC | with their own gun | Apr 06 06:49 |
| DaemonFC | not that this is a bad thing | Apr 06 06:49 |
| DaemonFC | if someone is careless enough to shoot themselves with their own gun then you really don't want them in the gene pool anyway | Apr 06 06:50 |
| prurigro | haha | Apr 06 06:50 |
| prurigro | you hear about the navy seal who did that a month or two ago? | Apr 06 06:50 |
| prurigro | clicked a few times, nothing happened | Apr 06 06:50 |
| prurigro | so he looks down the shaft, and bam! | Apr 06 06:50 |
| DaemonFC | brilliant | Apr 06 06:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Det. Bui's !freeByron interviews http://www.ur1.ca/8xzrm http://www.ur1.ca/62nb3 illustrate 'never talk to police" http://www.ur1.ca/2m1ts | Apr 06 06:51 | |
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| prurigro | haha, seriously-- I mean, it prolly happens all the time | Apr 06 06:51 |
| prurigro | but a navy freakin' seal | Apr 06 06:51 |
| DaemonFC | well, I'm not going to be sad about that | Apr 06 06:51 |
| DaemonFC | anyone who manages to shoot themselves deserved it | Apr 06 06:51 |
| prurigro | unless future PSD-infused cop eh? | Apr 06 06:51 |
| DaemonFC | well, suicide is unfortunate | Apr 06 06:52 |
| prurigro | ahh, well, that too-- unless they're not trained with guns or something | Apr 06 06:52 |
| DaemonFC | but I'm not talking about that | Apr 06 06:52 |
| prurigro | and haha, yea, maybe you should say "anyone trained with a gun who accidentally shoots themselves deserves it" | Apr 06 06:52 |
| prurigro | ? | Apr 06 06:52 |
| DaemonFC | I mean someone who looks down the barrel and pulls the trigger trying to figure out why the gun is jammed | Apr 06 06:52 |
| DaemonFC | duh.... | Apr 06 06:52 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 06 06:52 |
| prurigro | oh I mean | Apr 06 06:52 |
| prurigro | he didn't pull the trigger again | Apr 06 06:52 |
| prurigro | rarely, when a bullet doesn't fire immediately, it does a few seconds later | Apr 06 06:53 |
| prurigro | my friend explained it to me a while back, I can't remember exactly why tho | Apr 06 06:53 |
| DaemonFC | they still have a public shooting range not too far from here, but the state thought it would be a good idea to make everyone buy permits | Apr 06 06:53 |
| prurigro | but part of gun training is to wait some period after a misfire like that | Apr 06 06:53 |
| DaemonFC | and the permits are twice as expensive as a pass at a private shooting range | Apr 06 06:53 |
| prurigro | lol | Apr 06 06:54 |
| prurigro | so... private shooting ranges were pleased? | Apr 06 06:54 |
| DaemonFC | I suppose | Apr 06 06:54 |
| prurigro | or do you need a permit there too?> | Apr 06 06:54 |
| DaemonFC | I would be | Apr 06 06:54 |
| prurigro | I wonder if it was them who lobbied for it | Apr 06 06:54 |
| DaemonFC | you pay to use it but you don't need a permit from the state | Apr 06 06:54 |
| prurigro | just like drug cartel leaders lobby to keep drugs illegal | Apr 06 06:54 |
| DaemonFC | all carry permits in Indiana are also concealed carry permits | Apr 06 06:55 |
| DaemonFC | it was like $150 for a lifetime carry license when I got mine | Apr 06 06:56 |
| DaemonFC | had to pass a criminal background check | Apr 06 06:56 |
| DaemonFC | but you only get turned down if you have a criminal record that was violent-crime related | Apr 06 06:57 |
| prurigro | interesting | Apr 06 06:57 |
| prurigro | that sounds pretty reasonable | Apr 06 06:58 |
| DaemonFC | and you don't need any kind of permit for long rifles | Apr 06 06:58 |
| prurigro | and $150 woulda been to pay for the check | Apr 06 06:58 |
| prurigro | and word, that's also pretty reasonable-- rifles being used for sport 99% of the time | Apr 06 06:58 |
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| DaemonFC | prurigro, I don't see the point of carry permits in the first place | Apr 06 06:59 |
| DaemonFC | they're like restraining orders | Apr 06 06:59 |
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| DaemonFC | they don't actually protect anyone | Apr 06 06:59 |
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| DaemonFC | they just add a misdemeanor to whatever you were going to do anyway | Apr 06 06:59 |
| prurigro | aren't they more like a system to make it more difficult for violent ex-cons to obtain guns | Apr 06 07:00 |
| prurigro | ? | Apr 06 07:00 |
| DaemonFC | if you're going out to kill someone I'm not sure you're going to care if not having a gun carry permit is a Class A Misdemeanor | Apr 06 07:00 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 06 07:00 |
| DaemonFC | no | Apr 06 07:00 |
| DaemonFC | there's two ways to buy a gun | Apr 06 07:01 |
| DaemonFC | from a federally licensed firearms dealer, which means you have to have a background check | Apr 06 07:01 |
| DaemonFC | or private party sale which means no background check | Apr 06 07:01 |
| DaemonFC | so you go to a gun show, no background check | Apr 06 07:01 |
| DaemonFC | you could be Charles Manson and walk out of there with a gun | Apr 06 07:01 |
| DaemonFC | I think the regulations they have are pointless in light of the fact that it is trivial for a criminal to get ahold of one in the first place | Apr 06 07:02 |
| prurigro | oh, weird | Apr 06 07:02 |
| DaemonFC | any crime you're going to commit with a firearm is more serious than the misdemeanor charge of carrying without a permit | Apr 06 07:03 |
| prurigro | I mean, yea, if basically everyone has a gun, you're not gonna be able to keep like 1% of the population from getting them | Apr 06 07:03 |
| DaemonFC | if you're going out to murder someone, why do you care if the misdemeanor carry without a permit will get you another year in jail?you wouldn't | Apr 06 07:03 |
| DaemonFC | which makes the law pointless | Apr 06 07:03 |
| DaemonFC | "Your honor, he murdered this person and got life without parole, but we want to throw violating a restraining order and carrying a firearm without a valid permit at him too!" | Apr 06 07:04 |
| DaemonFC | it's like, at that point, why bother | Apr 06 07:05 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Kwong's sense of humour: "Police are revealing few details, saying they don’t want to interfere with the trial. " http://www.ur1.ca/8xz6i | Apr 06 07:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @tony Save the Internet from the US! #CISPA is even worse than #SOPA. Sign the urgent petition @Avaaz: http://ur1.ca/8y03d | Apr 06 07:06 | |
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| DaemonFC | the only people who bother following these laws are the people who are following the laws | Apr 06 07:06 |
| DaemonFC | wow | Apr 06 07:06 |
| DaemonFC | we need to throw regulations at them! | Apr 06 07:06 |
| DaemonFC | there are already laws on the books to deal with gun crime | Apr 06 07:07 |
| DaemonFC | you rob someone at gunpoint? sentencing enhancement | Apr 06 07:07 |
| prurigro | haha | Apr 06 07:07 |
| prurigro | yea when you put it like that, it seems kinda like DRM | Apr 06 07:07 |
| DaemonFC | mandatory 20 years | Apr 06 07:07 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] !Tzag & good morning @inscius ... I myself am off to sleep (long day) !Tzaf | Apr 06 07:07 | |
| DaemonFC | you're in a gang? There must be 20 laws they can use on that! | Apr 06 07:08 |
| DaemonFC | they even use RICO against street thugs | Apr 06 07:08 |
| DaemonFC | but some idiot somewhere feels they need to throw a misdemeanor in for good measure | Apr 06 07:08 |
| DaemonFC | I think once the guns are out there, criminals will get ahold of them and by the time they use them, nobody cares about a misdemeanor | Apr 06 07:10 |
| DaemonFC | I think it's more about the state having a list of who they should disarm | Apr 06 07:10 |
| DaemonFC | prurigro, Like when the police started disarming law abiding people after Katrina | Apr 06 07:11 |
| DaemonFC | they used the list of people with gun permits to know who to disarm | Apr 06 07:11 |
| DaemonFC | that's the only reason it exists | Apr 06 07:11 |
| DaemonFC | to give the police a heads up about who has how many of what | Apr 06 07:11 |
| prurigro | haha yup, pretty much | Apr 06 07:12 |
| prurigro | they can get most of the guns back | Apr 06 07:12 |
| prurigro | if people ever start to revolt | Apr 06 07:12 |
| DaemonFC | well, as long as most people feel free then it doesn't matter if they actually are | Apr 06 07:13 |
| DaemonFC | because they'll never do anything to get there | Apr 06 07:13 |
| DaemonFC | that's one of the reasons why the more successful forms of DRM are the ones that you never really think about | Apr 06 07:14 |
| DaemonFC | like Kindle books | Apr 06 07:14 |
| DaemonFC | or iTunes | Apr 06 07:14 |
| DaemonFC | as long as you think of the files as something you're going to use on your Apple products or with the Amazon tablets or kindle software, then you'll never think about the DRM | Apr 06 07:15 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of systems that trap and enslave people give them what amounts to an invisible prison cell | Apr 06 07:15 |
| DaemonFC | they're not even supposed to know that they lost any of their freedom along the way | Apr 06 07:16 |
| DaemonFC | and it almost always works | Apr 06 07:16 |
| scientes | <prurigro> they can get most of the guns back | Apr 06 07:19 |
| scientes | <prurigro> if people ever start to revolt | Apr 06 07:19 |
| scientes | SURE | Apr 06 07:20 |
| DaemonFC | it's important that people wake up and think they can be anything they want to be and that they can do anything they want to do with their life | Apr 06 07:20 |
| prurigro | scientes, continue? | Apr 06 07:20 |
| DaemonFC | as many of them go to work to scrub toilets and flip burgers | Apr 06 07:20 |
| scientes | there are so many friggen guns in the country | Apr 06 07:21 |
| scientes | the state of Montana even started making their own guns, and saying that if the guns are made and sold within Montana, they don't have to fallow any federal gun laws under the 2nd amendment | Apr 06 07:21 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Apr 06 07:21 |
| prurigro | well haha, I mean, it doesn't mean they'll succeed | Apr 06 07:22 |
| DaemonFC | and the people that claim that wake up one morning surrounded by ATF agents | Apr 06 07:22 |
| prurigro | but there's gotta be motivation behind it | Apr 06 07:22 |
| scientes | also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoWMF3VkI6U | Apr 06 07:22 |
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| scientes | ammo is actually the main deal | Apr 06 07:23 |
| DaemonFC | the feds could invoke the commerce clause | Apr 06 07:23 |
| scientes | not the guns themselves | Apr 06 07:23 |
| DaemonFC | did the raw material come from Montana? | Apr 06 07:23 |
| DaemonFC | is it POSSIBLE someone might take one of the guns out of the state and sell it or rob a bank with it? | Apr 06 07:24 |
| DaemonFC | so all of a sudden the feds have an excuse to claim jurisdiction | Apr 06 07:24 |
| DaemonFC | the federal government uses taxation and the commerce clause to get whatever they want | Apr 06 07:26 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 06 07:26 |
| DaemonFC | if they can't do it directly, they get the states to change their laws | Apr 06 07:26 |
| DaemonFC | states could set their drinking age at any age they want | Apr 06 07:26 |
| DaemonFC | they all set it at 21 because the federal government threatened to take away highway funds from any of them that didn't | Apr 06 07:26 |
| DaemonFC | until the 1980s, there were still some states where the drinking age was 18 | Apr 06 07:27 |
| prurigro | isn't there like one or two that are a little more reasonable? | Apr 06 07:27 |
| DaemonFC | for years, there was a national speed limit | Apr 06 07:27 |
| DaemonFC | the federal government gets whatever they want | Apr 06 07:28 |
| DaemonFC | by whatever means necessary | Apr 06 07:28 |
| DaemonFC | states are not sovereign and only have the right to do whatever the federal government lets them do | Apr 06 07:28 |
| DaemonFC | in the end they're not really all that important | Apr 06 07:28 |
| DaemonFC | just another layer of the onion | Apr 06 07:29 |
| prurigro | well that is the idea isn't it? | Apr 06 07:29 |
| DaemonFC | the only way to change this would be to amend the constitution by having 3/4ths of the states call for a constitutional convention | Apr 06 07:29 |
| DaemonFC | technically the states control the federal government | Apr 06 07:30 |
| DaemonFC | in reality they don't | Apr 06 07:30 |
| DaemonFC | there's two political parties that control every level of government in the US | Apr 06 07:30 |
| DaemonFC | and so states tend to agree to even constitutional provisions that will harm them | Apr 06 07:31 |
| DaemonFC | like giving Congress the unrestrained power to tax | Apr 06 07:31 |
| DaemonFC | so what does the federal government do with that power? | Apr 06 07:31 |
| DaemonFC | they suck money out of the states and say if the states want some of it back, they'll do as they're told | Apr 06 07:32 |
| DaemonFC | it's not like people wouldn't have guessed that would happen | Apr 06 07:32 |
| DaemonFC | I noticed a news report that the companies running aging nuclear reactors actually spent all the money they were supposed to have on hand to decommission them | Apr 06 07:34 |
| prurigro | well if one person was able to think of it to put it into action, other people likely would have simply thought of it | Apr 06 07:34 |
| DaemonFC | and now plan to leave dormant nuclear reactors sitting all over the coutnry unused for decades | Apr 06 07:34 |
| DaemonFC | prurigro, Interesting quirk in the constitution | Apr 06 07:35 |
| DaemonFC | once as state has called for a convention, that never expires | Apr 06 07:35 |
| DaemonFC | and they don't have to call for one for the same reason as another state did | Apr 06 07:36 |
| DaemonFC | at this point there are 36 outstanding requests for a constitutional convention | Apr 06 07:36 |
| DaemonFC | so only two more states would need to call for one | Apr 06 07:36 |
| DaemonFC | it would be interesting to see how they would tear the existing constitution to shreds and rewrite it | Apr 06 07:37 |
| DaemonFC | by interesting I mean horrifying | Apr 06 07:37 |
| DaemonFC | not like there's any need though | Apr 06 07:38 |
| DaemonFC | when they can just ignore the one we have | Apr 06 07:38 |
| DaemonFC | coffee wearing off | Apr 06 07:38 |
| DaemonFC | off to nap until horrible neighbor lady starts making more noise | Apr 06 07:39 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1493698 | Apr 06 08:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a Diaspora post? | Apr 06 08:31 |
| schestowitz | It is true. Is it not? " | Apr 06 08:31 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1493604 | Apr 06 08:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Despite killing Maemo, Nokia contributed more work to the Linux kernel in 2011 than Google http://www.intomobile.com/2012/04/05/despite-killing-maemo-nokia-contributed-more-work-linux-kernel-2011-than-google/ it didn't kill it | Apr 06 08:32 |
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| schestowitz | "Nokia said that they'll keep Maemo/MeeGo as a long term R&D when they were axing stuff. " | Apr 06 08:32 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Apr 06 08:32 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/brunomiguel/statuses/188093329618108419 | Apr 06 08:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @brunomiguel: Liked "RT @schestowitz: New Motorola Webtop platform to run Android as a laptop http://t.co/WTcqlmuW the year..." [pic] http://t.co/HuPwBbXb | Apr 06 08:34 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @tony Save the Internet from the US! #CISPA is even worse than #SOPA. Sign the urgent petition @Avaaz: http://ur1.ca/8y03d | Apr 06 08:44 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] What did Google do here? Can someone from Google please check? http://ur1.ca/8y1l9... http://b1t.it/bhyY | Apr 06 08:44 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Why Ubuntu Is Not Contributing To Linux, Or Is It? http://ur1.ca/8y1ls #ubuntu #linux #kernel | Apr 06 08:46 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Gnome 3.4 Review and Hands-on http://ur1.ca/8y1n8 #gnu #gnome | Apr 06 08:49 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] KDE 5.0: 4 Things We Want To See http://ur1.ca/8y1nu #kde #kde5 | Apr 06 08:51 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Five alternatives to #RaspberryPi http://ur1.ca/8y1oj #linux | Apr 06 08:52 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The State of #Linux Wireless. Is it better yet? http://ur1.ca/8y1pu | Apr 06 08:56 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Should you be worried about Ubuntu Desktop’s privacy settings? http://ur1.ca/8y1qy #ubuntu | Apr 06 08:57 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/fcassia/status/188171689706790913?iid=am-82952056813336986020747342&nid=4+status_timestamp&uid=26603208 | Apr 06 09:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @fcassia: @schestowitz please save me the reading. is it still darn impossible to add a keyboard layout switcher to the top-left "panel" ? ;) | Apr 06 09:08 |
| schestowitz | "TIL Bill Nye (of the TV show "Bill Nye the Science Guy") wanted to be an astronaut, but was rejected repeatedly by NASA." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Nye#Early_life_and_career | Apr 06 09:13 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Our Imminent Summer of Digital Discontent - http://bit.ly/I0e445 [RT from yesterday] #ACTA #IPRED #CCDP | Apr 06 09:16 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Letter to Colombian Legislature About #FTA Implementation Legislation - http://bit.ly/HZYEuf "more restrictive than U.S. law": not good #co | Apr 06 09:21 | |
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| schestowitz | should be a quiet day today, the weather here seems awful | Apr 06 09:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] How the Snooper’s Charter materially threatens the UK Coalition Government - http://bit.ly/IbYU7U fascinating analysis (v @e3i5 @AlecMuffet) | Apr 06 09:27 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Stopping Climate Change Is Much Cheaper Than You Think - http://bit.ly/HTQTL4 updating #stern | Apr 06 09:46 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] USTR’s Short Description of IPRs in Each of the Countries Negotiating the #TPP - http://bit.ly/HVyvA7 interesting, but warped perspective | Apr 06 09:51 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Opposition to biotech giant #Monsanto growing worldwide, new report shows - http://bit.ly/HmoKs6 if confirmed, important | Apr 06 09:52 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Court Orders “Copyright Lobby-Linked” Group To Stop Pirating The Pirate Party - http://bit.ly/IcaQ9L vaguely amusing | Apr 06 09:54 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Publishers Sue As Boundless Learning Grabs $8M For An Open Alternative To Textbooks - http://tcrn.ch/HlCBRw more background | Apr 06 09:56 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] LibriVox Free Audiobook Project Receives Generous Mellon Support for Upgrade - http://bit.ly/HARSJq great news; well deserved | Apr 06 09:57 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Where #TPP Goes Beyond #ACTA -- And How It Shows Us The Future Of IP Enforcement - http://bit.ly/HmDU0X glimpses of our dystopia | Apr 06 10:04 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Breaking News on UK #FOI Charges - http://bit.ly/I1dBMM another attack on government transparency (v @FOIMan UK @PoliceStateUK) | Apr 06 10:32 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #ACTA Update XII - http://bit.ly/IaZjbt good news from ITRE, recycled FUD from European Commission | Apr 06 10:36 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Leave FOI Alone (#saveFOI) - http://bit.ly/HmuHVZ #epetition defending #uk #foi | Apr 06 10:49 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[dyfet/@dyfet] jitsi 1.0 out, very cool...but so is sflphone 1.02 which also uses GNU RTP stacks (inc ZRTP) and is GPL 3. | Apr 06 10:49 | |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/Omar_S_Hafez/statuses/188172464046608386 | Apr 06 10:54 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Labour says tax change is a ruthless assault on low income families http://gu.com/p/36ydk neglecting to mention they'd do the same thing | Apr 06 11:01 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] How the US uses sexual humiliation as a political tool to control the masses http://gu.com/p/36y4k | Apr 06 11:04 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Cpl Anne-Marie Ellement 'hanged herself after bullying campaign' http://goo.gl/8y5QJ | Apr 06 11:07 | |
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| oiaohm | Its going to get intersting with x86abi support in 3.4 Linux kernel. | Apr 06 11:26 |
| oiaohm | Opp x32 abi support | Apr 06 11:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[serk01/@serk01] καλημέρα καλημέρα. τετραημερο off ελέω αγγλικού πάσχα.Να'ναι καλα ο χριστος που σταυρωθηκε για τις αμαρτ..εεεε για τις αργίες μας. | Apr 06 11:46 | |
| scientes | oiaohm, agreed | Apr 06 11:48 |
| scientes | i mentioned it here before | Apr 06 11:48 |
| scientes | i dont think the fixed the 800 lbs elephant in the room either | Apr 06 11:49 |
| scientes | 32-bit time_t in the x32 ABI | Apr 06 11:49 |
| oiaohm | scientes: LOL | Apr 06 11:49 |
| scientes | which clearly needs to be 64-bit | Apr 06 11:49 |
| oiaohm | really you have not been reading. | Apr 06 11:49 |
| oiaohm | x32abi is 64 bit time. | Apr 06 11:49 |
| scientes | oh they did change it? | Apr 06 11:49 |
| scientes | ok sry | Apr 06 11:49 |
| scientes | i've read alot of the controversy | Apr 06 11:49 |
| scientes | but i didn't check what finially got merged | Apr 06 11:50 |
| oiaohm | x32abi is test platform for the migration to 64 bit time everywhere. | Apr 06 11:50 |
| scientes | no, its not explicitely about 64-bit time | Apr 06 11:50 |
| scientes | but yes, it will be the first platform that will have to face those portability issues in that wy | Apr 06 11:50 |
| scientes | got any good links? | Apr 06 11:50 |
| oiaohm | Linus refused to merge while it still had 32 bit time. | Apr 06 11:51 |
| scientes | or what, you mean that x32 is going to have a IA32-mode? | Apr 06 11:51 |
| scientes | oiaohm, yeah i read his responses | Apr 06 11:51 |
| scientes | but i wasn't sure he got his way | Apr 06 11:51 |
| oiaohm | x32abi runs in 64 bit mode. | Apr 06 11:51 |
| oiaohm | Linus not get his way. | Apr 06 11:51 |
| oiaohm | Highly unlikely. | Apr 06 11:51 |
| scientes | oiaohm, yes i know that, thats why | Apr 06 11:51 |
| scientes | <oiaohm> x32abi is test platform for the migration to 64 bit time everywhere. | Apr 06 11:51 |
| scientes | doesn't apply | Apr 06 11:51 |
| scientes | cause its just not the same | Apr 06 11:52 |
| oiaohm | In fact it does. | Apr 06 11:52 |
| scientes | it helps in porting efforts, yes | Apr 06 11:52 |
| oiaohm | Code base for making 32 bit binarys have to update to support 64 bit time to they can be build on x32abi | Apr 06 11:52 |
| oiaohm | So once enough of the code base is fixed up then normal mode can be altered. | Apr 06 11:53 |
| scientes | what i've been wondering is how much software will actually get built in this mode | Apr 06 11:53 |
| oiaohm | Most likely quite a lot. | Apr 06 11:53 |
| scientes | its not like thumb2 or something, where it easy to switch back and forward | Apr 06 11:53 |
| oiaohm | You would say thumb2 would be a close releation. | Apr 06 11:53 |
| scientes | you mean an app will link abainst x86-64 and x32 libraries? | Apr 06 11:53 |
| oiaohm | Reason 64 bit code and 32 bit code in x32abi are running in the same mode. | Apr 06 11:53 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | Apr 06 11:54 |
| scientes | at same time | Apr 06 11:54 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | Apr 06 11:54 |
| scientes | ahh, well in that case, yes, i can see it being used quite extensively | Apr 06 11:54 |
| oiaohm | Because they are not in difference cpu contexts. | Apr 06 11:54 |
| scientes | just like how on mip64 and s360x 32-bit userspace on 64-bit kernel is very common | Apr 06 11:54 |
| oiaohm | x32abi promisses faster speed for particular options. | Apr 06 11:55 |
| scientes | and powerpc 64-bit | Apr 06 11:55 |
| oiaohm | Be careful. | Apr 06 11:55 |
| oiaohm | x32abi it self is kinda strange. | Apr 06 11:55 |
| oiaohm | because you are in 64 bit userspace mode. | Apr 06 11:55 |
| oiaohm | Yet you are running 32 bit code. | Apr 06 11:55 |
| scientes | oh yeah, s390x is 31-bit user space on 64-bit kernel :P | Apr 06 11:55 |
| scientes | so did x32 eventually end up with the real 64-bit kernel calls? | Apr 06 11:56 |
| oiaohm | Basically x32abi will not just stop at x86. | Apr 06 11:56 |
| scientes | or does it still use those wacky IA32-like syscalls | Apr 06 11:56 |
| oiaohm | scientes: that is that the patch is about. adding 32 bit call suppot to 64 bit mode. | Apr 06 11:56 |
| scientes | oiaohm, yesyes, but the devil is in the details | Apr 06 11:56 |
| oiaohm | So applications don't have to perform horid tasks to call 64 bit functions. | Apr 06 11:56 |
| scientes | in theory, you could simply change mmap, and a very select other few, and the user-space and gcc could handle the rest | Apr 06 11:57 |
| scientes | *s/gcc/glibc/ | Apr 06 11:57 |
| scientes | which is something linus was mentioning | Apr 06 11:57 |
| oiaohm | To be correct x32abi can perform a 64 bit function and syscalls. | Apr 06 11:58 |
| scientes | instead of kinda stickying to something similar to IA32, also with some of IA32's legacy stuff | Apr 06 11:58 |
| oiaohm | Just that is undermining the reason for running x32abi in the first place. | Apr 06 11:58 |
| scientes | oiaohm, yeah, but it still has its own table | Apr 06 11:58 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly. | Apr 06 11:58 |
| scientes | and alot more syscalls are doubled than strictly neccicary | Apr 06 11:58 |
| oiaohm | Normally 64 bit binaries can choose to call the 32 bit versions. | Apr 06 11:58 |
| oiaohm | Basically the 64 bit table now include both options. | Apr 06 11:58 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | oh good | Apr 06 11:59 |
| scientes | but yeah, considering that x32 and x86-64 can mix in the same binary, i can def agree that x32 is going to become very prevelent quite soon | Apr 06 11:59 |
| oiaohm | I am interested to see with wine if it can be made run that way. | Apr 06 12:00 |
| scientes | however its actually promise of saving mem is questionable when it has to duplicate libc and the like | Apr 06 12:00 |
| oiaohm | Thinking it could solve a lot of cases of people with only 64 bit drivers installed. | Apr 06 12:00 |
| oiaohm | scientes: You don't get the memory they are trying to save. | Apr 06 12:01 |
| scientes | the increase in mem usage might be much larger than a little cache optimization when pegging a single x32 app | Apr 06 12:01 |
| scientes | <oiaohm> I am interested to see with wine if it can be made run that way. | Apr 06 12:01 |
| scientes | now THAT is a very interesting idea | Apr 06 12:01 |
| scientes | means that wine would run SIGNIFICANTLY faster than windows | Apr 06 12:02 |
| oiaohm | remember 64 bit pointers are huge. | Apr 06 12:02 |
| scientes | :))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) | Apr 06 12:02 |
| oiaohm | Those eat up cpu internal memory. | Apr 06 12:02 |
| scientes | yes cache | Apr 06 12:02 |
| scientes | you get benifits in cache and speed on certain x32 loads | Apr 06 12:02 |
| oiaohm | Little extra ram usage way better cache usage. | Apr 06 12:02 |
| scientes | but you increase the total disk space and memory footprint of libraries | Apr 06 12:03 |
| oiaohm | Equals a lot more speed. | Apr 06 12:03 |
| oiaohm | No different to keeping 32 bit binary support around. | Apr 06 12:03 |
| scientes | but yeah, i agree it will become very common | Apr 06 12:03 |
| scientes | oiaohm, to be honest, that really isn't happeneing ATM | Apr 06 12:03 |
| scientes | except for wine, and propritary software | Apr 06 12:03 |
| oiaohm | The long term will be working out how to share libaries between old style 32 bit and new x36. | Apr 06 12:03 |
| scientes | yes, the new 36-bit systems :P | Apr 06 12:04 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Court Kicks Out Copyright Troll Who Has “No Desire To Litigate” - http://bit.ly/HlQG1m thoughtful ruling | Apr 06 12:04 | |
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| scientes | efficiently packed to, with memory access aligned to 36-bit :P | Apr 06 12:04 |
| oiaohm | pps | Apr 06 12:05 |
| oiaohm | x36 I typed instead of x32 | Apr 06 12:05 |
| oiaohm | http://sites.google.com/site/x32abi/ | Apr 06 12:05 |
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| scientes | yes ive seen that page | Apr 06 12:05 |
| oiaohm | There is a lot of interesting plans. | Apr 06 12:05 |
| oiaohm | Debian is in the process of migrating to full multi arch support. | Apr 06 12:05 |
| oiaohm | Add in x32 stuff | Apr 06 12:06 |
| oiaohm | we are talking a really interesting future. | Apr 06 12:06 |
| scientes | that page was changed in the last week to say time_t is 64-bit | Apr 06 12:06 |
| scientes | like yesterday when i checked it was like "64-bit time_t ????" | Apr 06 12:06 |
| oiaohm | scientes: You had a proxy screw with you somewhere. | Apr 06 12:07 |
| oiaohm | I saw the 64 bit change last week. | Apr 06 12:08 |
| scientes | yeah but im accessing it https | Apr 06 12:09 |
| scientes | so thats proxy-proof | Apr 06 12:09 |
| oiaohm | Opps | Apr 06 12:10 |
| oiaohm | The page is badly written. | Apr 06 12:10 |
| scientes | indeed | Apr 06 12:10 |
| oiaohm | If you were reading what they were changing on the page it showed 64 bit time being done. | Apr 06 12:10 |
| *scientes is wondering whether he should try to learn haskell | Apr 06 12:10 | |
| scientes | it looks pretty cool | Apr 06 12:10 |
| oiaohm | if you read roadmap it was just a idea on roadmap. | Apr 06 12:11 |
| oiaohm | Basiclaly someone needs to update roadmap. | Apr 06 12:11 |
| oiaohm | Most likely with Linus made us do it or otherwise warped. | Apr 06 12:11 |
| scientes | " Should we change time_t from 32bit to 64bit?" | Apr 06 12:11 |
| scientes | still there | Apr 06 12:11 |
| oiaohm | That is the opps | Apr 06 12:12 |
| oiaohm | I have not read that section of the page in months. | Apr 06 12:12 |
| oiaohm | scientes: the abi pdf is kinda the important bit. | Apr 06 12:16 |
| oiaohm | scientes: there are plans to attempt to merge the x32 and 64 bit libraries as well. | Apr 06 12:17 |
| scientes | ahh, if libraries can get merged than its a clear win in almost all cases | Apr 06 12:17 |
| scientes | but is this merge IA32/x32 or x32/x86-64? | Apr 06 12:18 |
| oiaohm | Both are options. | Apr 06 12:18 |
| oiaohm | Currently don't know exactly what way is wise. | Apr 06 12:18 |
| oiaohm | So both will be tried. | Apr 06 12:18 |
| scientes | cause the latter would clearly be the one with more performance impact | Apr 06 12:18 |
| scientes | but it seems alot harder | Apr 06 12:18 |
| scientes | (if not impossible) | Apr 06 12:19 |
| oiaohm | Really with the way x32 is designed. | Apr 06 12:19 |
| scientes | but also | Apr 06 12:19 |
| oiaohm | x32/x86-64 is quite simple. | Apr 06 12:19 |
| oiaohm | The hard one is ia32/x32 | Apr 06 12:19 |
| scientes | there is also having a codepath of a x86-64 lib that does x32 | Apr 06 12:19 |
| scientes | i think that makes most sense | Apr 06 12:19 |
| scientes | in terms of flexibility | Apr 06 12:20 |
| scientes | but x32 linking is also possible | Apr 06 12:20 |
| scientes | but i think that will by shyed away from in most cases | Apr 06 12:20 |
| scientes | well | Apr 06 12:21 |
| scientes | depends how hot the paths are | Apr 06 12:21 |
| scientes | but i dont think calling into libraries is very hot compares to other things pointers are used for | Apr 06 12:22 |
| scientes | so keeping only the x86-64 abi makes more sense | Apr 06 12:22 |
| oiaohm | The fight to have 32 bit time was to make ia32/x32 more practical. | Apr 06 12:22 |
| oiaohm | Basically any library using 32 bit time due to x32 being 64 bit time cannot be mixed. | Apr 06 12:23 |
| oiaohm | scientes: Its a disk space issue. | Apr 06 12:25 |
| oiaohm | scientes: if a library that runs great 32 bit mode can load in x32 there is almost no reason why 64 bit binarys could not call that instead. | Apr 06 12:26 |
| oiaohm | so allowing reduction in number of files on disk. | Apr 06 12:26 |
| oiaohm | Yes the must have 64 bit time does make process of compaction harder. | Apr 06 12:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Oh, @joindiaspora, how I love thee. Nice, federated and decentralised community building there. Keep up the good work and give us an API! ;) | Apr 06 12:29 | |
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| abushcrafterfor1 | DaemonFC: prurigro: you two should try redshift | Apr 06 12:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] I ran a script yesterday to silence anyone who was following 5 or more silenced people; got about 2000 accounts. Some false positives here. | Apr 06 12:34 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Which is to say, my apologies, @emegeve. | Apr 06 12:39 | |
| abushcrafterfor1 | prurigro: | Apr 06 12:42 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Katolicyzm w Polsce jako "odwaga pójścia pod prąd" bit.ly/I65LVV #WAT #aleossochozi | Apr 06 12:42 | |
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| abushcrafterfor1 | lo lol lol lol lol quote | Apr 06 13:06 |
| abushcrafterfor1 | quote: Okay that interests me because we found a series of crystals in the house. | Apr 06 13:06 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Displays at LHR terminal 5 are running with Fedora, 32bit. #justsayin | Apr 06 14:34 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Announcing the #FRPAA Day of Action on April 25th! - http://bit.ly/Hjw36W yay - militant academics... #openaccess | Apr 06 14:54 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[serk01/@serk01] interesting article for web developers "How Not To Sort By Average Rating"- http://identi.ca/url/48340028 | Apr 06 14:57 | |
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| schestowitz | Joerg Schilling is Dipl. Ing. at Fraunhofer Fokus now | Apr 06 15:12 |
| schestowitz | a MS companion | Apr 06 15:13 |
| schestowitz | Ken Muir from Novell is now Chief Executive Officer at GWAVA | Apr 06 15:15 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mattl/@mattl] Ah yes, Good Friday too... hence the bazillion people stood outside the FSF when I tried to get to work just now. We're next to a church. | Apr 06 15:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Microsoft tallied so many code contributions to Linux due to fact that its original Hyper-V code needed fixing (H): http://bit.ly/I6Kzil | Apr 06 15:16 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Great post w/juicy quotes "Creative Commons: Making the Internet Less of a Pain in the Arse" by Ukulele musician: http://bit.ly/HY4RW0 | Apr 06 15:47 | |
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| schestowitz | jono: in the photo from 1998, are you the one with the long hair? | Apr 06 16:04 |
| jono | schestowitz I am in the top right | Apr 06 16:07 |
| schestowitz | very cool. But long hair can be good for headbangers | Apr 06 16:08 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Medical detective story, I love those: bit.ly/I1AbEZ | Apr 06 16:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Nuclear-powered drones? What could possibly go wrong!.. bit.ly/HsCItJ #USA | Apr 06 16:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] codecademy vs. scroll kit (@Cody Brown): http://bit.ly/Icrbfb | Apr 06 16:24 | |
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| XFaCE | schestowitz: lol | Apr 06 16:27 |
| XFaCE | jono: serious question about your music, jono | Apr 06 16:27 |
| XFaCE | jono: when your music is being mastered, do you prefer a "loudness war"-style compressed (among other things) job or do you prefer to have the music be as close to the master tapes as possible and/or maintain its dynamics? | Apr 06 16:29 |
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| XFaCE | jono: seriously jono. I really want to know | Apr 06 16:56 |
| XFaCE | As I know very few musicians that actually market and sell albums in physical form, any input on this issue is helpful | Apr 06 16:57 |
| XFaCE | I want to understand why over compression and other methods that contribute to the loudness war are so prefered in the mastering of music these days | Apr 06 16:57 |
| XFaCE | Maybe you are an exception? :) | Apr 06 16:58 |
| XFaCE | jono: Well, all I have to analyse is the Free Software Song cover you made, and it looks like it may have been over compressed | Apr 06 16:59 |
| XFaCE | then again, it is heavy metal, so it is a little tricky to analysis | Apr 06 17:00 |
| schestowitz | XFaCE: I like compression | Apr 06 17:00 |
| schestowitz | jono's music is VERY loud though | Apr 06 17:00 |
| schestowitz | it shows up first in minirok | Apr 06 17:00 |
| schestowitz | for technical reasons | Apr 06 17:00 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: Not data compression | Apr 06 17:00 |
| schestowitz | among like 5000 tracks | Apr 06 17:00 |
| schestowitz | and it's scaringly loud | Apr 06 17:00 |
| schestowitz | I'm afraid of opening the music player for this reason | Apr 06 17:00 |
| schestowitz | XFaCE: signal compression | Apr 06 17:00 |
| XFaCE | jono: schestowitz: The Free Software Song by Jono has a DR rating of 5 | Apr 06 17:01 |
| XFaCE | That's pretty low | Apr 06 17:01 |
| schestowitz | lots of high amplitude waves in the available space of silence | Apr 06 17:01 |
| *schestowitz listens to SXSW 2011/2012 artists | Apr 06 17:01 | |
| XFaCE | At this same time, it isn't (completely) brick-walled | Apr 06 17:01 |
| jono | XFaCE, well, for the music I mix I dont do a good job on mastering | Apr 06 17:01 |
| jono | for the Severed Fifth album our producer mastered it | Apr 06 17:02 |
| jono | not sure what his approach was | Apr 06 17:02 |
| XFaCE | jono: Do you have say on what you what the final mastering to be? | Apr 06 17:02 |
| schestowitz | jono: XFaCE has some ranks before about mastering | Apr 06 17:02 |
| schestowitz | no idea why he's so into that topic.. | Apr 06 17:02 |
| jono | XFaCE, sure, I get to listen | Apr 06 17:02 |
| schestowitz | My Dog Eat Dog album is VERY loud | Apr 06 17:03 |
| schestowitz | !google dog eat dog isms | Apr 06 17:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Dog Eat Dog Isms - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Dz1fGD_gTxTo | Apr 06 17:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Dog Eat Dog - Isms - music video - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DBziBqwkGxbE | Apr 06 17:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Dog Eat Dog lyrics Isms - DogEatDog official fansite | http://www.dogeatdog.nl/lyrics/isms-lyrics.php | Apr 06 17:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - ISMS Lyrics - DOG EAT DOG | http://www.elyrics.net/read/d/dog-eat-dog-lyrics/isms-lyrics.html | Apr 06 17:03 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: Because I value my ears, and it produces copies of older albums that are inferior | Apr 06 17:03 |
| XFaCE | and new albums that sound like garbage | Apr 06 17:03 |
| schestowitz | too loud? | Apr 06 17:04 |
| schestowitz | For some earphones these days it's good | Apr 06 17:04 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: It's not the loudness | Apr 06 17:04 |
| schestowitz | they're very limited in volume capacity | Apr 06 17:04 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] All Male Augusta National Golf Club probably won't offer IBM CEO membership, unlike last 4 IBM CEOs (WSJ): http://on.wsj.com/HjCeYO | Apr 06 17:04 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxfoundation/@linuxfoundation] NEWS: Mark Shuttleworth to keynote LinuxCon Europe in Barcelona Nov 5. He talks to @businessinsider today: http://read.bi/HXkm5r #linuxconEU | Apr 06 17:04 | |
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| XFaCE | schestowitz: If the tracks were merely louder but kept the same dynamic range, then there wouldn't be a problem | Apr 06 17:04 |
| schestowitz | so when tracks are filled to the rim it gets past the barriers on the earphones | Apr 06 17:04 |
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| XFaCE | schestowitz: Because we wouldjust turn them down | Apr 06 17:04 |
| XFaCE | The problem with modern mastering is that they aim to have the loudest possible volume at the expense of dynamics and clean sounding, quality audio | Apr 06 17:05 |
| XFaCE | You get clipping, distortion, and wimply low volume audio | Apr 06 17:05 |
| schestowitz | it's not classical | Apr 06 17:05 |
| schestowitz | it''s cheapened producing | Apr 06 17:05 |
| XFaCE | causing ear fatigue, and destroying the listening experience | Apr 06 17:05 |
| schestowitz | all electric | Apr 06 17:05 |
| schestowitz | Listen to Corrs for goof mixing | Apr 06 17:05 |
| schestowitz | *good | Apr 06 17:05 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: Even some classical music these days is getting the loudness war treatment | Apr 06 17:06 |
| schestowitz | mp3s also reduced the standard sampling expectations | Apr 06 17:06 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: you can still get good dynamic range with MP3s | Apr 06 17:06 |
| schestowitz | XFaCE: if yiu want loud, up the speakers/master volunme | Apr 06 17:06 |
| XFaCE | Data compression <> Dynamic compression | Apr 06 17:06 |
| schestowitz | but like I said, some players have serious limitations | Apr 06 17:06 |
| schestowitz | especially the portaible ones | Apr 06 17:06 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: I haven't had a problem | Apr 06 17:07 |
| schestowitz | so you try to squeeze the most out of them] | Apr 06 17:07 |
| schestowitz | but reducing quality in the process, too | Apr 06 17:07 |
| XFaCE | yep | Apr 06 17:07 |
| XFaCE | My player could have a bit more volume, but I rarely if ever max out | Apr 06 17:07 |
| schestowitz | most people seem to be playing at max voolumne | Apr 06 17:07 |
| schestowitz | but only with earphones on | Apr 06 17:07 |
| XFaCE | Just because it's a dynamic mastering doesn't mean it has to quiet | Apr 06 17:08 |
| schestowitz | maybe if they fed more voltage, then some people will not go up to max | Apr 06 17:08 |
| XFaCE | You can have a tradeoff | Apr 06 17:08 |
| XFaCE | Genesis' "We Can't Dance" and Rush's Counterparts for example | Apr 06 17:08 |
| schestowitz | it's also a way to isolate sounds | Apr 06 17:08 |
| XFaCE | Louder, but still quality | Apr 06 17:08 |
| schestowitz | like, if you listen to it next to a busy road | Apr 06 17:08 |
| schestowitz | or a gym with music already there | Apr 06 17:08 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: Well, in that case, the only real solution is noise cancelation | Apr 06 17:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] 30 Window Managers in 30 days (Page 1) - WM/DE Talk - CrunchBang Linux Forums http://goo.gl/36JLj #gnulinux #flosstools #debian | Apr 06 17:09 | |
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| schestowitz | I tried that oin Obama smpeeches | Apr 06 17:09 |
| XFaCE | jono: I have another question for you follwing up | Apr 06 17:09 |
| schestowitz | it comes out all muted | Apr 06 17:09 |
| schestowitz | I thoght it was an error | Apr 06 17:09 |
| XFaCE | jono: What do you prefer the producer does to the mastering? | Apr 06 17:10 |
| schestowitz | then I listen to the original and realise it was not the case, it was all just NOISE | Apr 06 17:10 |
| schestowitz | XFaCE: let jono rest... Easter with Erica.. | Apr 06 17:10 |
| schestowitz | at best, don't highlight him too much, he's in many channels | Apr 06 17:10 |
| schestowitz | you're upping the volume of this channel if you know what I mean... | Apr 06 17:10 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: This is an issue that just bothers me though | Apr 06 17:12 |
| XFaCE | I can go into Audacity and do the same in 5 minutes | Apr 06 17:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Niszczenie książek jakoś tak wydaje się pasować do "obrony Kościoła" bit.ly/HstQ7T | Apr 06 17:12 | |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: Listen to Rush's Counterparts compared to their modern releases | Apr 06 17:13 |
| XFaCE | or any release 1994 and earlier | Apr 06 17:13 |
| XFaCE | and make sure they are the album version or early Cd versions | Apr 06 17:13 |
| XFaCE | It's a frustrating trend | Apr 06 17:13 |
| jono | XFaCE, I dont really care what the producer does, so long as it sounds great on different sound systems | Apr 06 17:14 |
| jono | and volume is equal | Apr 06 17:14 |
| jono | I also want to make sure it sounds as loud as current commercial artists | Apr 06 17:14 |
| XFaCE | jono: Ugh, why? | Apr 06 17:14 |
| XFaCE | Loudness <> sales | Apr 06 17:14 |
| XFaCE | Besides, FM radio compresses the songs anyway | Apr 06 17:14 |
| jono | XFaCE, because if you play our song in a club after a current commercial song, I want it to sound at an equal volume | Apr 06 17:15 |
| schestowitz | what's the sampling rate of FM? | Apr 06 17:15 |
| jono | otherwise it loses the punch | Apr 06 17:15 |
| schestowitz | !google sampling rate of FM? | Apr 06 17:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Sample Rates - Audacity Wiki | http://wiki.audacityteam.org/index.php%3Ftitle%3DSample_Rates | Apr 06 17:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Implications of Sample Rate and Bit Size | http://www.cs.cf.ac.uk/Dave/Multimedia/node150.html | Apr 06 17:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Undersampling - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undersampling | Apr 06 17:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Sample Rate – Free listening, videos, concerts, stats ... - Last.fm | http://www.last.fm/music/Sample%2BRate | Apr 06 17:15 |
| XFaCE | jono: So you can tolerate distortion and clipping? | Apr 06 17:15 |
| schestowitz | he keeps the masters | Apr 06 17:15 |
| schestowitz | on his machine | Apr 06 17:15 |
| schestowitz | I think it's also shared on the site, IIRC | Apr 06 17:16 |
| schestowitz | So people can mix it to their liking | Apr 06 17:16 |
| jono | XFaCE, no, I want it to be an equal volume as long as it does not distort or clip | Apr 06 17:16 |
| jono | but a good producer will leave plenty of headroom so it wont clip if you master it louder | Apr 06 17:16 |
| XFaCE | So by equal volume you mean that every element is the same loudness or that volume is consitent from song to song? | Apr 06 17:17 |
| sebsebseb | jono: so I am probably going to do my first talk in front of a lot of people on 19th May | Apr 06 17:18 |
| schestowitz | element as in instrument? | Apr 06 17:18 |
| schestowitz | That depends on the track | Apr 06 17:18 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: well, it could be vocals or a tin can | Apr 06 17:18 |
| XFaCE | I suppose you could classify those as instruments | Apr 06 17:18 |
| schestowitz | sometimes amplification is done for artistic reasons | Apr 06 17:18 |
| schestowitz | XFaCE: you're too pedanic | Apr 06 17:18 |
| schestowitz | I told you this before | Apr 06 17:18 |
| schestowitz | also when you write text, you demand too much from yourself | Apr 06 17:18 |
| schestowitz | last night my girl asked, how many articles did you write today | Apr 06 17:19 |
| schestowitz | I write so much to her, Techrights has been quiet recently.. we speak like 5 hours a day | Apr 06 17:19 |
| XFaCE | lol, I am kinda pedantic | Apr 06 17:19 |
| schestowitz | So you're left with little time | Apr 06 17:19 |
| schestowitz | And you are very demanding from yourself | Apr 06 17:19 |
| schestowitz | Which lowers output | Apr 06 17:19 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: In some things | Apr 06 17:19 |
| schestowitz | Then you're left with few posts | Apr 06 17:19 |
| XFaCE | Other things I wish I was more demanding | Apr 06 17:19 |
| XFaCE | It's all about balance | Apr 06 17:20 |
| schestowitz | and cannot keep up with the likes of TechDirt | Apr 06 17:20 |
| jono | sebsebseb, nice! | Apr 06 17:20 |
| jono | good luck, my friend :-) | Apr 06 17:20 |
| schestowitz | I used to do about 10 posts a day on average, like them | Apr 06 17:20 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: cool. | Apr 06 17:20 |
| schestowitz | Mageia? | Apr 06 17:20 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !LibreOffice OnLine Will Be A Real Competitor To Microsoft Office 365 | Muktware http://goo.gl/7j5i4 | Apr 06 17:21 | |
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| schestowitz | sebsebseb: jono has some presentation in the front page of his web site, it covers some tips | Apr 06 17:21 |
| schestowitz | on how to deliver and such, the blog too | Apr 06 17:21 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Back in MUC. On my way home. #uselesspost | Apr 06 17:29 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Dear !lazyweb, I am looking for info on track names for music playing on Monkey Dust S01E06. Any help?.. | Apr 06 17:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Carers versus #Atos's attempts to protect its image - video http://goo.gl/pPGp4 reputation washing #censorship #bullying | Apr 06 17:31 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] When #privatisation doesn't work http://gu.com/p/36f49 | Apr 06 17:34 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: When privatisation doesn't work | George Irvin | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 256.35 KB | Apr 06 17:34 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: hey ryan | Apr 06 17:39 |
| schestowitz | spending easter with mom or with dad? | Apr 06 17:39 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1455980 | Apr 06 17:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @atomjack@poddery.com: instructions in sequence  #instructions #sequence #killyourtelevision #bicycle | Apr 06 17:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a web page! Aborting application/xml type | Apr 06 17:39 |
| schestowitz | need to post techrights irc logs now, been days... | Apr 06 17:41 |
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| XFaCE | schestowitz: speaking of pedantic, I have some free fonts that could be used for the Techrights logo | Apr 06 17:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Waterboarding Whistleblower Indicted Under Espionage Act http://goo.gl/wffdB | Apr 06 17:49 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Size Matters: Why The #TSA Fears Thirteen-Inch Laptops, But Not Eleven-Inch Ones http://goo.gl/EjshV | Apr 06 17:49 | |
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| schestowitz | XFaCE: can youy please write the intro for techrights canada? | Apr 06 17:49 |
| XFaCE | No for another several weeks | Apr 06 17:50 |
| schestowitz | I'm wrokign on logs at the moment.. | Apr 06 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Neither | Apr 06 17:50 |
| XFaCE | I have 4 exams with two day intervals | Apr 06 17:50 |
| schestowitz | ok,well... as long as you're onto it | Apr 06 17:50 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: jabba | Apr 06 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Apr 06 17:50 |
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| XFaCE | DaemonFC: You will write the intro? | Apr 06 17:50 |
| schestowitz | XFaCE: it's veyr boring doing the logs | Apr 06 17:51 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: I can understand that | Apr 06 17:51 |
| schestowitz | In fact, I'm drinking a lot while doing it, just to kill the boredom :-) | Apr 06 17:51 |
| XFaCE | Beer? Wine? Spirits? | Apr 06 17:51 |
| XFaCE | What's the alchol level? | Apr 06 17:51 |
| schestowitz | I can do 5 days' logs in about 40 minutes | Apr 06 17:52 |
| XFaCE | How many drinks? | Apr 06 17:52 |
| schestowitz | a lot of repetition | Apr 06 17:52 |
| XFaCE | (j/k | Apr 06 17:52 |
| schestowitz | 5.3% | Apr 06 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | http://catalin-festila.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/fedora-online-defragmenter-for-ext4.html | Apr 06 17:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: About me and my life ...: Fedora online defragmenter for ext4 filesystem .::. Size~: 54.85 KB | Apr 06 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | that's been around for a while | Apr 06 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | XFS has had xfs_fsr for years | Apr 06 17:54 |
| DaemonFC | but the e4defrag tool has been in beta for a couple years | Apr 06 17:54 |
| XFaCE | What exactly is an online defragmenter? Is it exactly how it sounds? | Apr 06 17:58 |
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| DaemonFC | it means you can defragment the partition while it's mounted | Apr 06 18:02 |
| XFaCE | Couldn't you always do that? | Apr 06 18:05 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Just when you thought it was safe to go back on the Internet — Hollywood negotiating for #SOPA 2? https://eff.org/r.3WU | Apr 06 18:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] is it only me who has the issue of #Crunchbang randomly turning itself on? open the lid to switch on to find it's already on | Apr 06 18:06 | |
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| gde33 | SOPA 2.0 ! | Apr 06 18:07 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] use the shutdown option from openbox, it shuts down, apparently off......day later open the lid and it's waiting for a password WTF? | Apr 06 18:09 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] it kinda makes you question whether or not it's actually off as it's supposed to be, if the lid is closed | Apr 06 18:09 | |
| DaemonFC | XFaCE, No, not with Ext3 anyway | Apr 06 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | you could take it offline and use the Ext2 defrag utility but it would destroy the journal | Apr 06 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | doing that with Ext4 would destroy everything on the partition | Apr 06 18:11 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 06 18:11 |
| formic_ | [12:57] <XFaCE> What exactly is an online defragmenter? Is it exactly how it sounds? | Apr 06 18:12 |
| formic_ | defrag, lol | Apr 06 18:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] People Behind !Debian: Francesca Ciceri, Member of the Debian Press & Publicity Teams http://ping.fm/EeQ5A | Apr 06 18:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #techrights log #boycottnovell log #boycottnovell-social log #techbytes log Enter the IRC channels now | Apr 06 18:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] RT @ #techrights log #boycottnovell log #boycottnovell-social log #techbytes log Enter the IRC channels now | Apr 06 18:12 | |
| gde33 | I always thought the raid stuff was kinda dubious, raid for speed is really fragile and with raid for data preservation the first drive fails when the other one is to old to be copied in one session. | Apr 06 18:12 |
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| DaemonFC | you usually only have to do it on an Ext4 or XFS volume that becomes very full | Apr 06 18:13 |
| XFaCE | gde33: FFS | Apr 06 18:13 |
| XFaCE | gde33: (sopa 2) | Apr 06 18:13 |
| XFaCE | formic_: ... | Apr 06 18:13 |
| formic_ | defrag c: /f /h | Apr 06 18:13 |
| formic_ | ? | Apr 06 18:13 |
| XFaCE | formic_: That hasn't been that way since MS DOS | Apr 06 18:13 |
| gde33 | XFaCE: The disinformation age :) | Apr 06 18:14 |
| formic_ | defrag is dumb | Apr 06 18:14 |
| XFaCE | formic_: Oh wait, you are write | Apr 06 18:14 |
| XFaCE | *right | Apr 06 18:14 |
| XFaCE | formic_: That command does exist | Apr 06 18:14 |
| XFaCE | I never even tried it before | Apr 06 18:14 |
| formic_ | to me, defrag is a microsoft thing you need to do to keep your computer running fast | Apr 06 18:14 |
| gde33 | by that logic, I never got why installing windos would fragment the disk. | Apr 06 18:14 |
| gde33 | try it some time | Apr 06 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | it's more of an issue on NTFS because NTFS tries to stuff bits and pieces of a file wherever they'll fit | Apr 06 18:15 |
| formic_ | nothing should fragment the disk | Apr 06 18:15 |
| gde33 | windos says it is fragmented right after installation | Apr 06 18:15 |
| gde33 | kinda self-debunking | Apr 06 18:15 |
| formic_ | lol | Apr 06 18:15 |
| formic_ | thats because of how bad ntfs is | Apr 06 18:15 |
| gde33 | we should go for the fat? | Apr 06 18:16 |
| formic_ | it takes very little to fragment it | Apr 06 18:16 |
| formic_ | same with fat | Apr 06 18:16 |
| formic_ | fat is worse | Apr 06 18:16 |
| gde33 | lol | Apr 06 18:16 |
| gde33 | yeah, the lunatics took over the assilum | Apr 06 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | e4defrag is also going to have to be used by people who "upgraded" by mounting ext2 or ext3 as ext4 | Apr 06 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | because the existing files won't be using extents right away | Apr 06 18:17 |
| gde33 | formic_: what else is there? | Apr 06 18:17 |
| gde33 | I don't think the copyright people think things have changed the last 20 years? | Apr 06 18:19 |
| formic_ | use a filesystem that uses techniques designed to keep fragmentation under control | Apr 06 18:19 |
| formic_ | don't use windows | Apr 06 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | there's ReFS if you get Windows 8 Server | Apr 06 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 06 18:20 |
| gde33 | I'm waiting for ubuntu to become userfriendly ;) | Apr 06 18:20 |
| formic_ | most linux filesystems actually dont fragment if you don't use the whole drive | Apr 06 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | eventually the yhave to | Apr 06 18:21 |
| formic_ | nope | Apr 06 18:21 |
| formic_ | only if using a bad filesystem like XFS | Apr 06 18:21 |
| formic_ | or converting ext2 or ext3 to ext4, but thats not for 'fragmentation' | Apr 06 18:21 |
| DaemonFC | XFS is much more advanced than Ext | Apr 06 18:22 |
| formic_ | I know from experience that ZFS does this if you keep the free space under 80% | Apr 06 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | Ext uses obsolete 1970s technology | Apr 06 18:22 |
| DaemonFC | Ext4 is a complete mess | Apr 06 18:23 |
| formic_ | It will also do defrag on its own if it needs to | Apr 06 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | it has many incompatible and barely tested mount options | Apr 06 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | and no, it won't | Apr 06 18:23 |
| formic_ | all online | Apr 06 18:23 |
| formic_ | yes it will daemonfc | Apr 06 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | Ext has never had automatic defrag | Apr 06 18:23 |
| formic_ | im talking about zfs | Apr 06 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | BtrFS has that | Apr 06 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | but COW causes more fragmentation anyway in the first place | Apr 06 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | so it needs that | Apr 06 18:24 |
| formic_ | yeah but btrfs isn't as stable | Apr 06 18:24 |
| formic_ | it also needs defrag a lot i've heard | Apr 06 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think most people even need most of the features BtrFS has | Apr 06 18:25 |
| DaemonFC | it's designed to be a grab bag of bullet point engineering more than anything else | Apr 06 18:25 |
| formic_ | nope | Apr 06 18:25 |
| formic_ | its designed for fault tollerance | Apr 06 18:25 |
| formic_ | you really shouldn't use it for a single drive, its more suited for raid | Apr 06 18:27 |
| formic_ | oh another thing, you can put the ZFS write log into an ssd and you get super speed! | Apr 06 18:32 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #techrights log #boycottnovell log #boycottnovell-social log #techbytes log Enter the IRC channels now | Apr 06 18:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] RT @ #techrights log #boycottnovell log #boycottnovell-social log #techbytes log Enter the IRC channels now | Apr 06 18:32 | |
| gde33 | Software raid seems a way to go. Say: have the application file in raid 0 and the config files raided for preservation. | Apr 06 18:32 |
| gde33 | How bad is software raid compared to hardware? | Apr 06 18:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | depends | Apr 06 18:33 |
| formic_ | its not bad | Apr 06 18:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | pure software raid in linux is rather fast | Apr 06 18:33 |
| formic_ | hardware raid has too many cons for me | Apr 06 18:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | fakeraid (the raid you set in the BIOS but its still driven by the OS) is slow | Apr 06 18:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | real hw raid ($500 and up controllers, shows up as a single block device in the OS, etc) | Apr 06 18:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | is very fast | Apr 06 18:34 |
| formic_ | having to take your machine offline to rebuild a raid sucks | Apr 06 18:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | formic_: there are no cons except for cost | Apr 06 18:34 |
| gde33 | so you get 150% speed or even less? | Apr 06 18:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | gde33: raid isnt about speed. | Apr 06 18:34 |
| formic_ | what about the whole offline rebuild diablo-d3 ? | Apr 06 18:34 |
| gde33 | Diablo-D3: it isn't? | Apr 06 18:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | formic_: your controller sucks. | Apr 06 18:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | gde33: no. | Apr 06 18:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | gde33: its about redundency. | Apr 06 18:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | formic_: you can rebuild raids without offlining in all cases I can think of | Apr 06 18:35 |
| formic_ | diablo-d3 - you can replace a drive while your up and running and rebuild, all without rebooting or shitting down? | Apr 06 18:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | formic_: uh, yes. | Apr 06 18:35 |
| gde33 | "redundency" doesn't make it more clear what it is to me sorry :P | Apr 06 18:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | gde33: drive fails, data doesnt. | Apr 06 18:35 |
| formic_ | I must be drinking the ZFS kool-aid then | Apr 06 18:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | formic_: infact most people have a spare drive in the machine so it automatically starts rebuilding without intervention | Apr 06 18:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | formic_: I use zfs here on my machine, Ive never offlined to replace a drive | Apr 06 18:36 |
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| gde33 | Diablo-D3: but raid 0 helps failing the data | Apr 06 18:36 |
| formic_ | I know | Apr 06 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | RAID is usually used as a realtime backup | Apr 06 18:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | gde33: raid 0 is NOT a raid level | Apr 06 18:36 |
| formic_ | I don't either, but ZFS is software raid | Apr 06 18:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | gde33: raid 0 is a hack where you stripe data across disks to increase speed, but it should ONLY ever be used under actual raid levels | Apr 06 18:37 |
| gde33 | Diablo-D3: now you really confused me :P | Apr 06 18:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | gde33: such as 4 drive setups in raid 1+0 | Apr 06 18:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | gde33: learn to use wikipedia. | Apr 06 18:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | seriously. | Apr 06 18:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | in today's world there is no reason to not to be able to understand technical subjects | Apr 06 18:37 |
| gde33 | I use to have a raid 0 with 2 15k rpm drives. It was very nice. | Apr 06 18:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | formic_: I have a four drive raid5 in zfs, Ive replaced drives twice, no downtime | Apr 06 18:38 |
| gde33 | before ssd | Apr 06 18:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | formic_: not only yhat, zfs also lets me check both the fs and the zfs raid without downtime | Apr 06 18:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | *that | Apr 06 18:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | gde33: raid0 with no real raid on top means you are doubling the chances of _complete_ data loss with every drive | Apr 06 18:38 |
| formic_ | diablo-d3 - we're on the same page then, because I was gonna say ZFS did that and not hardware raid. | Apr 06 18:39 |
| gde33 | ofc | Apr 06 18:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | gde33: raid0 has its place, but its with 10 or 50 or other similar schemes | Apr 06 18:39 |
| formic_ | diablo-d3 - I have a 3 drive raid-z | Apr 06 18:39 |
| formic_ | replaced a drive that died once so far | Apr 06 18:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | formic_: raidz = zfs raid5 | Apr 06 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | I used OpenSolaris for a little while on a secondary system, until I got tired of how difficult it was to use as a desktop OS | Apr 06 18:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | z2 = zfs raid6, z3 = zfs raid7 | Apr 06 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | and they never really seemed to make any progress after "open sourcing" things because they still didn't like accepting patches from otuside of Sun | Apr 06 18:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | raid5, 6, and 7 are identical up to the point of how many drives can fail before the entire array fails | Apr 06 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | so each snapshot had barely improved over the last one | Apr 06 18:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | 5 is 1, 6 is 2, 7 (which is not an official raid level but everyone uses it anyhow) is 3 | Apr 06 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | open sourcing a project just to sit there and act like Hitler with it doesn't work | Apr 06 18:41 |
| formic_ | daemonfc - openindiana | Apr 06 18:41 |
| formic_ | its a terrible desktop btw, its only good for a server | Apr 06 18:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | formic_: that has a different name now doesnt it? | Apr 06 18:41 |
| gde33 | Maybe I'm not explaining it properly but I don't see how old drives can be equated with new ones in all the raid formulas. | Apr 06 18:41 |
| formic_ | diablo-d3 - thats where everyone went from opensolaris | Apr 06 18:42 |
| formic_ | http://openindiana.org/ | Apr 06 18:42 |
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| Diablo-D3 | gde33: because it has nothing to do with the drives | Apr 06 18:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | gde33: drives fail _period_ | Apr 06 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | well, anything non-Linux is basically useless as a desktop | Apr 06 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | unless you want to accept nonfree drivers | Apr 06 18:42 |
| gde33 | it has very much to do with when your drives will die? | Apr 06 18:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | raid levels only describe how the redundancy works | Apr 06 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | and missing functionality | Apr 06 18:42 |
| formic_ | daemonfc - well yeah | Apr 06 18:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | nope, raid has nothing to do with the when either | Apr 06 18:42 |
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| gde33 | you consider raid 0 a bad idea right? | Apr 06 18:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | formic_: I thought everyone switched to illumos now | Apr 06 18:42 |
| formic_ | diablo-d3 - it uses illumos | Apr 06 18:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | gde33: raid 0 means _zero_ redundancy over multiple drives | Apr 06 18:43 |
| gde33 | Diablo-D3: I know | Apr 06 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | If FreeBSD ever got open source radeon support on par with Linux. I wouldn't really have anything against using it | Apr 06 18:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | gde33: raid 1 means each drive contains an identical mirror, raid 2, 3, and 4 are not used, raid 5 uses a checksum scheme to allow any one drive to fail, etc | Apr 06 18:43 |
| formic_ | diablo-d3 - they removed the sun kernel a while ago | Apr 06 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | instead of working to modernize their graphics support, they seem to be extending non-accelerated UMS support to current hardware | Apr 06 18:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | (raid 4 is basically raid 5, but without the checksum data striped across the disks with the data; raid 4 has a dedicated checksum disk that, if it fails, the entire array fails) | Apr 06 18:44 |
| gde33 | Diablo-D3: but with 2 new drives it should be stable enough. At least much more stable than very old drives. | Apr 06 18:44 |
| formic_ | gde33 - example: you have 3 drives running raid5 and one dies, the two drives left over have enough data to reconstruct the third one | Apr 06 18:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | gde33: nope | Apr 06 18:44 |
| gde33 | 3 new drives? | Apr 06 18:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | gde33: no matter what drive, no matter what quality of drive, no matter _what_ | Apr 06 18:44 |
| gde33 | new drives dont fail that often | Apr 06 18:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | every drive you put in a raid 0 doubles the chances. | Apr 06 18:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | new drives fail all the time | Apr 06 18:45 |
| cubezzz | indeed | Apr 06 18:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | if a drive is going to fail early, its going to do it in the first full month of operation. | Apr 06 18:45 |
| formic_ | yeah and hard drives dont last forever either | Apr 06 18:45 |
| cubezzz | the information density is higher on a new drive | Apr 06 18:45 |
| gde33 | the assumption age is irrelevant in a backup stategy seems futile | Apr 06 18:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | if it doesnt fail in the first month, its most likely going to fail in 4+ years of constant operation | Apr 06 18:45 |
| cubezzz | I have 52 meg SCSI drive that still works | Apr 06 18:45 |
| cubezzz | that's 22 years old now | Apr 06 18:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | gde33: 2 drive raid 0 = 2x chance of fail, 3 drive raid 0 = 4x, 4 = 8x, 5 = 16x, etc | Apr 06 18:46 |
| gde33 | Diablo-D3: so if you get though the first month you have a window where you could run raid 0 for a year? | Apr 06 18:46 |
| cubezzz | just rsync everything :) | Apr 06 18:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | gde33: nope. | Apr 06 18:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | gde33: this is why raid 10 exists | Apr 06 18:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | if you want raid 0 performance, but want raid | Apr 06 18:46 |
| formic_ | gde33: in raid0, if one dies, the one that is left can't be used on its own - its missing half the data | Apr 06 18:47 |
| gde33 | oh lol I didn't know about 10 let me read... | Apr 06 18:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | most people deploy raid 10 for high speed arrays | Apr 06 18:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | you have two arrays of raid0 that are raid1'ed. | Apr 06 18:47 |
| DaemonFC | I used FreeDOS on some of my older computers at one point | Apr 06 18:47 |
| formic_ | daemonfc - haikuos is good for old computers | Apr 06 18:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | the failure of any single disk will not destroy the array | Apr 06 18:47 |
| formic_ | daemonfc - vectorlinux too | Apr 06 18:47 |
| DaemonFC | I'm talking about old 386 and 486 systems | Apr 06 18:47 |
| formic_ | ohh | Apr 06 18:47 |
| formic_ | yeah thats *old* | Apr 06 18:47 |
| gde33 | Diablo-D3: but you do get my point? That new drives aren't the same thing as old ones? You even suggeted surviving the first month is a good benchmark? | Apr 06 18:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | gde33: all drives fail | Apr 06 18:48 |
| cubezzz | BL3 for old old | Apr 06 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | FreeDOS is a good upgrade for MS-DOS if you have any systems that old | Apr 06 18:48 |
| gde33 | *suggested | Apr 06 18:48 |
| formic_ | I ran freedos on an old black&white 386 notebook | Apr 06 18:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | gambling on when is a dumb thing. | Apr 06 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | formic_, Monochrome | Apr 06 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, I had a Canon laptop with a screen like that | Apr 06 18:48 |
| formic_ | when I did this though, freedos wasn't 1.0 yet and didnt work with a lot of games I wanted to play | Apr 06 18:49 |
| cubezzz | good quality mag tape can last 40 years or more | Apr 06 18:49 |
| gde33 | I found myself gambling when one drive failed and the other one was really to old to copy it, it died durring copying. It wasn't raid but a backup. | Apr 06 18:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | gde33: see, thats insane. | Apr 06 18:49 |
| cubezzz | I just archived some stuff from 1967 | Apr 06 18:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | gde33: use raid, and make backups BEFORE any drive fails. | Apr 06 18:49 |
| DaemonFC | I managed to get Wolfenstein 3d and DOOM to run on it | Apr 06 18:49 |
| gde33 | the backup disk is exactly as old as the one that died | Apr 06 18:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | sometimes I wonder if people just shouldnt be allowed to have computers. | Apr 06 18:49 |
| gde33 | it wasn't really a backup it only looks like one :/ | Apr 06 18:50 |
| formic_ | diablo-d3 - what do you recommend for offline backups? I've been looking at tape but it seems expensive | Apr 06 18:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | I have an external backup on top of my raids. | Apr 06 18:50 |
| formic_ | dvd media dies even faster than hdd | Apr 06 18:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | dvd media doesnt die | Apr 06 18:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | anyone who says so needs to quit buying shit. | Apr 06 18:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://adterrasperaspera.com/blog/2006/10/30/how-to-choose-cddvd-archival-media | Apr 06 18:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: How To Choose CD/DVD Archival Media » Ad Terras Per Aspera .::. Size~: 74.62 KB | Apr 06 18:50 |
| cubezzz | now you're going to get it :) | Apr 06 18:50 |
| formic_ | does the organic dye not leak? | Apr 06 18:50 |
| formic_ | oh you need to look for 'archival' quality | Apr 06 18:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | no. it doesn't. | Apr 06 18:51 |
| cubezzz | 3.5" diskettes die though | Apr 06 18:51 |
| cubezzz | a lot | Apr 06 18:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | formic_: you need to look at a very specific brand. | Apr 06 18:51 |
| cubezzz | and of course the hardware to write the disk, tape, whatever will die | Apr 06 18:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | doubt it | Apr 06 18:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | I'll be able to buy tape drives for YEARS | Apr 06 18:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | and they're very well engineered | Apr 06 18:52 |
| formic_ | cubezzz - i've seen tape products that advertise 20 years | Apr 06 18:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | good ones cost like $500 and up | Apr 06 18:52 |
| cubezzz | Diablo-D3, it's tough to find the really old stuff | Apr 06 18:52 |
| formic_ | you dont want old tape drives | Apr 06 18:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: forwards and backwards compat | Apr 06 18:52 |
| formic_ | they still make new ones | Apr 06 18:52 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Asda knocks out Kobo e-reader for £49 http://ur1.ca/8y5ub #linux | Apr 06 18:52 | |
| Diablo-D3 | new drives advertise tons of formats they work with | Apr 06 18:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Asda knocks out Kobo e-reader for £49 • reghardware .::. Size~: 20.71 KB | Apr 06 18:52 |
| cubezzz | Diablo-D3, 8" floppy drives? :) | Apr 06 18:53 |
| cubezzz | those are tough to find | Apr 06 18:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | but why were you archiving stuff on that? | Apr 06 18:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats stupid. | Apr 06 18:53 |
| cubezzz | Diablo-D3, because I was paid to? | Apr 06 18:53 |
| gde33 | Me thinks to store data you need 2 engraving machines set to mirror the data onto 2 stones at the same time. | Apr 06 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | AMD finally fixed their GNOME Shell rendering problems in Catalyst | Apr 06 18:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: thats stupid | Apr 06 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | the driver that does it is now crashing KDE though | Apr 06 18:54 |
| cubezzz | some of it is my stuff actually | Apr 06 18:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | anyone who uses non-archival media is an idiot. | Apr 06 18:54 |
| gde33 | depends on the data | Apr 06 18:54 |
| cubezzz | it was a bit careless I suppose | Apr 06 18:54 |
| formic_ | diablo-d3 - thanks for the info | Apr 06 18:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | anything I want to keep is backed up on stuff that will last at least 25 years. | Apr 06 18:54 |
| gde33 | haha thats the spirit | Apr 06 18:54 |
| formic_ | diablo-d3 - seems you can get Taiyo Yuden that last 70 years | Apr 06 18:54 |
| cubezzz | Diablo-D3, I got stuff older than 25 years | Apr 06 18:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | formic_: TY advertises their stuff to last 70 | Apr 06 18:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | it'll last at least 25. | Apr 06 18:54 |
| formic_ | diablo-d3 - I know a store that sells that brand, but they dont have labels | Apr 06 18:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | formic_: I dont use labels | Apr 06 18:55 |
| formic_ | no, i mean you cant even tell they are TY | Apr 06 18:55 |
| cubezzz | actually the 8" disks outlasted the drives | Apr 06 18:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | I get thermal printable and use sanford sharpie dvd pens or verbatim dvd pens (dont use off brand shit) | Apr 06 18:55 |
| formic_ | unbranded package | Apr 06 18:55 |
| gde33 | ty? | Apr 06 18:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | formic_: oh, discusting | Apr 06 18:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | gde33: taiyo tuden | Apr 06 18:55 |
| cubezzz | the drives _always_ will fail, it's just a matter of time | Apr 06 18:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | er, yuden | Apr 06 18:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | the largest manufacturer of disc media | Apr 06 18:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | all the hollywood movies you buy? all TY products. | Apr 06 18:56 |
| formic_ | yeah I was told they were the best | Apr 06 18:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | I only buy TY. | Apr 06 18:57 |
| formic_ | I just didn't trust the package this store had | Apr 06 18:57 |
| cubezzz | punched cards still will work, _if_ you have a punched card reader :) | Apr 06 18:57 |
| formic_ | I had no way of knowing if it really was TY | Apr 06 18:57 |
| cubezzz | you just have to transfer to new media before it's too late | Apr 06 18:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | formic_: I only buy through SMS | Apr 06 18:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | they're the largest US distributor of TY media | Apr 06 18:57 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] New from Prof. Lessig: Institutional Corruption This applies to patent law as well. | Apr 06 18:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] RT @ New from Prof. Lessig: Institutional Corruption This applies to patent law as well. | Apr 06 18:57 | |
| Diablo-D3 | although its getting easier to buy ever since TY became JVC Advance Media (although NOW you have to be careful to not buy JVC branded media, which isnt the same as JVC Advance Media branded shit) | Apr 06 18:58 |
| formic_ | supermediastore? | Apr 06 18:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah | Apr 06 18:58 |
| formic_ | excellent, I now have an inexpensive offline backup strategy | Apr 06 18:59 |
| formic_ | thank you very much | Apr 06 18:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | formic_: good backups are NOT one layer | Apr 06 18:59 |
| formic_ | ? | Apr 06 18:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | there is a reason why I use raid, ext hard drive, and optical meida. | Apr 06 18:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | *media | Apr 06 18:59 |
| formic_ | well right now im only using raid | Apr 06 19:00 |
| cubezzz | no removable media at all? | Apr 06 19:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | raid0 isnt raid. | Apr 06 19:00 |
| formic_ | a large ext hard drive would be a good idea too | Apr 06 19:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: optical media is removable, an external hard drive is removable | Apr 06 19:00 |
| formic_ | im not gde33, im using zfs raid-z(5) | Apr 06 19:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im just reminding people, thats all | Apr 06 19:00 |
| formic_ | :) | Apr 06 19:00 |
| cubezzz | sure | Apr 06 19:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | btw, re external | Apr 06 19:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | I built my own | Apr 06 19:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | none of the premade ones are any good | Apr 06 19:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://adterrasperaspera.com/blog/2010/08/22/usb-3-0-works-under-linux | Apr 06 19:01 |
| cubezzz | mag tape is removable too :) | Apr 06 19:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: USB 3.0 works under Linux » Ad Terras Per Aspera .::. Size~: 25.33 KB | Apr 06 19:01 |
| formic_ | I have a simple sata to usb cable & power adapter | Apr 06 19:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | tape doesnt seem to be a solution for mere endusers | Apr 06 19:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | $500 for a drive, $50 a piece for the media | Apr 06 19:01 |
| formic_ | how big is the media | Apr 06 19:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | depends on the format | Apr 06 19:02 |
| cubezzz | 3 tb in some cases | Apr 06 19:03 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1493528 | Apr 06 19:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Just over a month ago, British journalists were reportedly warned not to cover #wikileaks stuff. So much for freedom of the press. | Apr 06 19:03 |
| schestowitz | "source? | Apr 06 19:03 |
| formic_ | I think i've seen LTO-5 media for $20 | Apr 06 19:03 |
| cubezzz | I'm not sure there's any tape drive that handles every format tough | Apr 06 19:03 |
| formic_ | the drive was like $300-500 though | Apr 06 19:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | most people use LTO, the highest density LTO, LTO-5, is 1.5TB | Apr 06 19:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | LTO-5 media is more like $30-50 | Apr 06 19:04 |
| schestowitz | it was a reliable source (like mainstream one) that I cited at one stage in diapora - finding it would be hard, but Glyn Moody retweeted me on it | Apr 06 19:04 |
| cubezzz | like is there anything that handles the old reel-to-reel tapes for example | Apr 06 19:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: not really | Apr 06 19:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | btw, also | Apr 06 19:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | the expensive enterprise shit | Apr 06 19:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | they have guarantees that they will keep manufacturing compatible stuff until a certain date | Apr 06 19:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | stuff like popular tape formats they'll be making for a long time | Apr 06 19:07 |
| cubezzz | some of the #classiccmp guys have old tape drives that still work | Apr 06 19:07 |
| cubezzz | DECtape for one | Apr 06 19:07 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Security advisories for Friday http://ur1.ca/8y5xr | Apr 06 19:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Wheeler: Insecure open source software libraries? http://ur1.ca/8y5xv | Apr 06 19:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] F17 Beta to slip by an additional week. http://ur1.ca/8y5y6 #fedora #gnu #linux | Apr 06 19:07 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Security advisories for Friday [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 7.57 KB | Apr 06 19:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Wheeler: Insecure open source software libraries? [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 7.88 KB | Apr 06 19:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: [Test-Announce] F17 Beta to slip by an additional week. .::. Size~: 10.2 KB | Apr 06 19:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: yeah, the old shit still works anyhow | Apr 06 19:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | if you can get a computer to talk to it, 30-40 year old tape drives will still spin if they were kept in good shape | Apr 06 19:08 |
| cubezzz | Diablo-D3, they collect PDP stuff too | Apr 06 19:08 |
| cubezzz | I just want some DSDD diskettes for my old amiga | Apr 06 19:09 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] ClearOS,the Missing Link LAN Server (Linux.com) http://ur1.ca/8y5ym | Apr 06 19:09 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: ClearOS,the Missing Link LAN Server (Linux.com) [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 8.12 KB | Apr 06 19:09 |
| cubezzz | Diablo-D3, yeah tomorrow I archive some reel-to-reel stuff | Apr 06 19:09 |
| cubezzz | 1967 audio reel-to-reel tapes | Apr 06 19:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | analog audio is easier to deal with | Apr 06 19:10 |
| cubezzz | mostly CBC stuff | Apr 06 19:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | btw, as a side note, I said a lot of people use LTO | Apr 06 19:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | theres still some people that use storagetek stuff (which is owned by oracle now as part of the sun merger) | Apr 06 19:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | they just came out with a new format of it that does 5TB per tape | Apr 06 19:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | but the drives and tapes are much larger | Apr 06 19:11 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Oracle's Chris Mason Talks Up #Btrfs Features http://ur1.ca/8y5yr #oracle #linux #kernel | Apr 06 19:11 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: [Phoronix] Oracle's Chris Mason Talks Up Btrfs Features .::. Size~: 19.44 KB | Apr 06 19:11 |
| cubezzz | the problem is people don't plan ahead | Apr 06 19:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | people who build tape libraries do | Apr 06 19:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | they warehouse several tape drives just for future use | Apr 06 19:11 |
| cubezzz | they got old stuff, slides, disks, tapes and almost never have a plan for it | Apr 06 19:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | I mean, thats the thing, tapes really are for libraries | Apr 06 19:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | where you warehouse EB of data offline | Apr 06 19:12 |
| cubezzz | yeah I bet there's still a lot of 9 track tapes out there | Apr 06 19:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: well | Apr 06 19:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | companies generally never archived | Apr 06 19:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | look at what the BBC did | Apr 06 19:12 |
| cubezzz | but are there 9 track drives? | Apr 06 19:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | they just overwrote old tapes | Apr 06 19:12 |
| cubezzz | yes | Apr 06 19:12 |
| cubezzz | my point :) | Apr 06 19:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | and we lost all the early years of doctor who | Apr 06 19:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | its not that they didnt think ahead | Apr 06 19:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | they thought 100% ahead: we dont do archiving here. | Apr 06 19:13 |
| cubezzz | the cheaped out | Apr 06 19:13 |
| cubezzz | they | Apr 06 19:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | they assigned a value of zero to their worl | Apr 06 19:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | *Work | Apr 06 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | there's still a lot of churn going on with btrfs | Apr 06 19:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | *Work | Apr 06 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | too much for me to be comfortable with it | Apr 06 19:13 |
| cubezzz | I stock up on amiga parts | Apr 06 19:14 |
| cubezzz | that's my main worry these days | Apr 06 19:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | this is why I like modern interface formats | Apr 06 19:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | all modern formats are based around forwards and backwards compatibility and high speed 1 bit busses | Apr 06 19:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | pci-e, hdmi, displayport, sata/sasa, usb | Apr 06 19:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | (well, usb 3 only really belongs to that, usb 2 isn't enough for data storage even though theres a fuckton of the shit out there and the mass storage specification was part of usb1) | Apr 06 19:16 |
| cubezzz | Diablo-D3, you have stuff on VHS I imagine? | Apr 06 19:16 |
| cubezzz | and a VCR? | Apr 06 19:17 |
| cubezzz | I got tons of recordings on VHS still | Apr 06 19:17 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #BridgeLinux 2012 http://ur1.ca/8y60d #gnu #linux | Apr 06 19:17 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: lubuntu blog: Bridge Linux 2012 .::. Size~: 73.69 KB | Apr 06 19:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: none. | Apr 06 19:18 |
| cubezzz | ok, 4 figures for a 9 track tape drive :-/ | Apr 06 19:21 |
| cubezzz | so yeah one can do it with enough moola | Apr 06 19:21 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Early #Easter present in Fedora 17 beta http://ur1.ca/8y616 #fedora | Apr 06 19:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] A Remix of Google's Project Glass Video—Now With Ads (The Atlantic): http://bit.ly/I2lpxZ | Apr 06 19:22 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Early Easter present in Fedora 17 beta .::. Size~: 109.32 KB | Apr 06 19:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: A Remix of Google's Project Glass Video—Now With Ads - Kasia Cieplak-Mayr von Baldegg - Video - The Atlantic .::. Size~: 102.42 KB | Apr 06 19:22 |
| cubezzz | interestingly, 9 track and LTO and even Commodore cassette is all linear | Apr 06 19:25 |
| cubezzz | some stuff is helical | Apr 06 19:26 |
| cubezzz | but there's like a dozen or more sizes | Apr 06 19:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | most people dont like helical | Apr 06 19:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | it increases the complexity of the device too much | Apr 06 19:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Puppy Linux Wary and Racy 5.3 Are Available for Download http://ur1.ca/8y629 | Apr 06 19:29 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] The good thing about today's web server maintenance is that it buys me more time to get my !InconstantMoon #specialfeature done :D !SelfPub | Apr 06 19:29 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] converting a video, uploading unconverted version to a server via sftp, running a VM to test #kde 4.7 - all on the same !aptosid lappy #win | Apr 06 19:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] RT @silner !LibreOffice OnLine Will Be A Real Competitor To Microsoft Office 365 | Muktware http://goo.gl/7j5i4 | Apr 06 19:37 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: LibreOffice OnLine Will Be A Real Competitor To Microsoft Office 365 | Muktware .::. Size~: 42.16 KB | Apr 06 19:37 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] #CISPA blows a gaping hole through existing privacy law. Internet activists, don't let Congress mess with the Net. https://eff.org/r.4SP | Apr 06 19:41 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] had another go at the D7 Blog screencast, hopefully this time will encode fully | Apr 06 19:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] SUDDENLY a sane US court decision was given in an IP case: bit.ly/HsLN6r #suddenoutbreakofcommonsense | Apr 06 19:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] it's a bit shorter because I cut a few steps to begin with, but more coherent than last night's effort | Apr 06 19:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] I suspect my encoding issue last night was /tmp ran out of space to encode, have moved it into /home to (hopefully) avoid that this time | Apr 06 19:49 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Former Cybersecurity Czar Thinks DHS Should Spy On All Internet Traffic Crossing Our Borders Because Of Chinese Pirates? http://goo.gl/Je9LV | Apr 06 19:54 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @eff #CISPA blows a gaping hole through existing privacy law. Internet activists, don't let Congress mess with the Net. https://eff.o ... | Apr 06 19:54 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] again with the fucking long #TechDirt titles, that one JUST fit after deleting some ... - if ya want it shared via microblogs, keep it short | Apr 06 19:54 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Former Cybersecurity Czar Thinks DHS Should Spy On All Internet Traffic Crossing Our Borders... Because Of Chinese Pirates? | Techdirt .::. Size~: 53.61 KB | Apr 06 19:54 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] not even short but under 140 chars so it's fucking dentable / tweetable | Apr 06 19:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] playing with my Tumblog: restoring daguerreotype http://tmblr.co/ZMDc9xJBrSdV re-blogged by @gamerchick02 thus: http://tmblr.co/ZMDc9xJBr84R | Apr 06 19:57 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] I've started a new policy, if I have to edit a #TechDirt title to make space for a shortened URL, I just delete & don't dent it | Apr 06 20:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] alternatively, #TechDirt could campaign to "evolve" microblogging to be 200+ chars so they can indulge in novel length titles | Apr 06 20:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] seriously, I love #TechDirt; I love the posts, I want to share them, I REALLY do, but these novel length titles piss me right off | Apr 06 20:04 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @thistleweb Former Cybersecurity Czar Thinks DHS Should Spy On All Internet Traffic Crossing Our Borders Because Of Chinese Pirates? ... | Apr 06 20:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] ♺ @alexhundert Leslie Spit destruction of ‘potentially explosive materials’ fizzles http://www.ur1.ca/8xz6i #g20report !freebyron #notguilty | Apr 06 20:17 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Toronto News: Leslie Spit destruction of ‘potentially explosive materials’ fizzles - thestar.com .::. Size~: 109.14 KB | Apr 06 20:17 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] ♺ @letoams Warning, material might cause explosion when combined with rocket fuel! http://www.ur1.ca/8y6cn !freebyron !CDNpoli | Apr 06 20:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 6/4/2012: KDE 5.0 Wishlist, Fedora 17 Delays http://ur1.ca/8y6cy #techrights | Apr 06 20:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Dust That Sings http://ur1.ca/8y6d1 new video from Phil's excellent channel | Apr 06 20:22 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: CP24- Police burn materials from G20 suspect's ex-home .::. Size~: 53.22 KB | Apr 06 20:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Links 6/4/2012: KDE 5.0 Wishlist, Fedora 17 Delays | Techrights .::. Size~: 95.84 KB | Apr 06 20:22 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] IT SO IS | Apr 06 20:24 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] RT @mlinksva LibriVox hiring a PHP/Ruby dev, mgr http://identi.ca/url/68714363 ... | Apr 06 20:27 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: LibriVox » Blog Archive » Jobs! We’re hiring a PHP developer and a tech project manager .::. Size~: 25.31 KB | Apr 06 20:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] *gasp*… games are⇒culture⇐♺ @silner I'm really thinking in the sense that games are never necessary, so we're not deprived of rights. | Apr 06 20:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @dno It's not about enforcement. In 100 years, there will be games based on engines id Software open-sourced. And Nethack. The rest? gone | Apr 06 20:31 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] apt-get, aptitude, … pick the right #Debian package manager for you http://goo.gl/E12qQ | Apr 06 20:49 | |
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| DaemonFC | grocery store has those brown sugar spiral sliced hams on sale half price | Apr 06 20:50 |
| DaemonFC | guess I could go get a couple of those | Apr 06 20:50 |
| DaemonFC | those are good in the freezer for months | Apr 06 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | I like going to the grocery store around holidays like this when they have all the loss leaders | Apr 06 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | stock up on those, and only those | Apr 06 20:51 |
| DaemonFC | they put ham on sale half price and run buy one get one on pepsi and all kinds of stuff like that because they figure they get you in there and you leave with hundreds of dollars in groceries | Apr 06 20:52 |
| DaemonFC | but I'll go in there, get a couple of hams, whatever I have good coupons for, whatever they have buy one get one, and leave | Apr 06 20:52 |
| DaemonFC | then they lose money on me | Apr 06 20:52 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitzMy name on my store card is still Rusty Shackleford | Apr 06 20:55 |
| DaemonFC | Dale Gribble's alter ego from king of the hill :P | Apr 06 20:55 |
| DaemonFC | then I get back and toss one of those hams in the slow cooker | Apr 06 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | that sounds good actually, because I still have plenty of homemade mac and cheese left | Apr 06 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | mmmm | Apr 06 20:58 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] That is horrible. :( | Apr 06 21:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] RuBisCo (xkcd): http://xkcd.com/1039/ | Apr 06 21:01 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @joabj: RuBisCo (xkcd): http://xkcd.com/1039/ | Apr 06 21:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is mfat from identi.ca with 92 dents! | Apr 06 21:07 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @raphaelhertzog People Behind !Debian: Francesca Ciceri, Member of the !Debian Press & Publicity Teams - http://bit.ly/I10ElW | Apr 06 21:09 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Metropolitan police 'buried' report in 2004 warning of race scandal http://gu.com/p/36mxj | Apr 06 21:24 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Metropolitan police 'buried' report in 2004 warning of race scandal | UK news | The Guardian .::. Size~: 95.49 KB | Apr 06 21:24 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Democracy working? » Kraft Bows To Customer Pressure, Ditches Ties With Conservative Lobbying Group http://j.mp/Hktw84 | Apr 06 21:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Amazon is discounting us to death http://gu.com/p/36yje no, new authors DON'T need you, consumers & authors have moved on | Apr 06 21:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] the major publishes and chains do fuck all for new authors, if they deign to publish them at all, then pay them peanuts with lots of clauses | Apr 06 21:32 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Kraft Bows To Customer Pressure, Ditches Ties With Conservative Lobbying Group - The Consumerist .::. Size~: 57.54 KB | Apr 06 21:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Amazon is discounting us to death | Tim Waterstone | Comment is free | The Guardian .::. Size~: 274.52 KB | Apr 06 21:32 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Infographic: Your smartphone is worth more than your wallet http://ping.fm/B7WY9 | Apr 06 21:36 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Prison Planet.com » U.S. Aircraft Carriers Departing Persian Gulf? http://goo.gl/xJhr4 | Apr 06 21:52 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Prison Planet.com » U.S. Aircraft Carriers Departing Persian Gulf? .::. Size~: 61.92 KB | Apr 06 21:52 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Top 10 Facts YOU Should Know About #Monsanto http://goo.gl/KtDnh #gmo | Apr 06 21:59 | |
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| -martinp13-[Global Notice] Hi everyone - a couple of new blogposts this evening about our upcoming services upgrade. Please give both a read - you may lose access to nicks as a result of the changes if you don't take action soon. Also, please help to test our testnet. See planet.freenode.net! (If it doesn't load, please try in 30 mins or so..). Cheers! | Apr 06 22:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @thistleweb: Waterstones have the brand recognition, they could have adapted & embraced ebooks & new writers; they didn't | Apr 06 22:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Clarence Thomas- #Monsanto Lawyer-Conflict of Interest - Politicol News http://goo.gl/p1sMO #gmo | Apr 06 22:02 | |
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| -martinp13-[Global Notice] Just to clarify - our blogposts can be found at http://planet.freenode.net. | Apr 06 22:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] #MPAA Filter Censors Legit Torrent Files on isoHunt http://ping.fm/tRn0e | Apr 06 22:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @jezra another one? I though I was the only one who hates overpriced uncomfy to read hardbacks | Apr 06 22:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @jezra indies selling point is a huge range, Waterstones gradually shifted more to less range, bulk, mainstream, losing value along the way | Apr 06 22:07 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: MPAA Filter Censors Legit Torrent Files on isoHunt | TorrentFreak .::. Size~: 30.96 KB | Apr 06 22:07 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] McGrath: “The Control Grid is Being Put Into Place to Handle What They Know Is Coming.” http://goo.gl/uzFyF #usa #collapse #policestate | Apr 06 22:09 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @jezra I don't remember ever buying a hardback, ever, I've borrowed them before, but paperbacks are not only lighter, cheaper & comfier | Apr 06 22:09 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: McGrath: “The Control Grid is Being Put Into Place to Handle What They Know Is Coming.” .::. Size~: 126.48 KB | Apr 06 22:09 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] If Oracle wins its !Android suit, everyone loses http://is.gd/TzoNyr | Apr 06 22:11 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: If Oracle wins its Android suit, everyone loses | Open Source Software - InfoWorld .::. Size~: 103.36 KB | Apr 06 22:11 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @jezra I love carrying a library in one device, with the ability to scale the font size and never deal with the spine folding on an ebook | Apr 06 22:14 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Waterstones had the boutique model with retro 1900 bookstore style at a price, killing the indies gave them a practical monopoly | Apr 06 22:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] then the inernet and ebooks came to blitz through that model offering the consumer a much wider range at the click of the mouse at much less | Apr 06 22:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Security researchers at NQ Mobile say they have found the first piece of !Android bootkit malware http://j.mp/HkzaHd | Apr 06 22:17 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] 51 Months After The Start Of The Recession, Here Is The Report Card | ZeroHedge http://goo.gl/2KA7c #collapse #crooks | Apr 06 22:19 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: 51 Months After The Start Of The Recession, Here Is The Report Card | ZeroHedge .::. Size~: 178.34 KB | Apr 06 22:19 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Guest Post: The Face of Authoritarian Environmentalism | ZeroHedge http://goo.gl/jU7Tv #greenterrorism #fascism #socialism | Apr 06 22:22 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Guest Post: The Face of Authoritarian Environmentalism | ZeroHedge .::. Size~: 174.8 KB | Apr 06 22:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: so, did you hear Ulrich Drepper works for Goldnut Sachs now? | Apr 06 22:23 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] at the risk of tempting fate, moving the /tmp folder seems to have done the trick, the D7 blog screencast is at 82% & encoding as expected | Apr 06 22:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] last night it freaked out and closed at about 37% ish | Apr 06 22:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Could I take my $15 iPhone 4 settlement as iTunes currency? | Apr 06 22:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Is it too much to ask Ubuntu to be able to load text into a copy and paste buffer when I'm copying text backwards??? | Apr 06 22:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #MPAA Pretends Dodd Didn't Say That New #SOPA Negotiations Were Underway http://goo.gl/kJvVy | Apr 06 22:49 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: MPAA Pretends Dodd Didn't Say That New SOPA Negotiations Were Underway | Techdirt .::. Size~: 53.54 KB | Apr 06 22:49 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Arizona Politicians Scramble To Adjust Internet Censorship Bill After The Internet Mocks Them For Being Clueless http://goo.gl/DRW4m | Apr 06 22:51 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Arizona Politicians Scramble To Adjust Internet Censorship Bill After The Internet Mocks Them For Being Clueless | Techdirt .::. Size~: 79.54 KB | Apr 06 22:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #DRM is crushing indie booksellers online http://goo.gl/j61F4 | Apr 06 22:52 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] #Debian User Forums • Vendo Tópico - HowTo Build a Package from Source the Smart Way http://goo.gl/fIZlA #gnulinux #tips | Apr 06 22:54 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Debian User Forums • View topic - HowTo Build a Package from Source the Smart Way .::. Size~: 87.98 KB | Apr 06 22:54 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Mattsson har Assange-komplex? http://t.co/MS4P1k0E #svpol | Apr 06 22:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] \o/ now 90%+ | Apr 06 22:56 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Vinden viskar mitt namn: Mattsson har Assange-komplex? .::. Size~: 93.11 KB | Apr 06 22:56 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] it is gonna be annoying, if it gets to 100%, I play it back and it's not a great take, that I have to redo tomorrow, we'll see | Apr 06 22:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] this is hilarious #Murdoch press accuse rivals of betraying news principles http://goo.gl/H9gfR seriously? has he seen his own #FoxNews? | Apr 06 23:01 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Murdoch press savages Australian rival in pay TV row | Media | The Guardian .::. Size~: 108.32 KB | Apr 06 23:01 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] \o/ 94% - although my superstitious side is telling me not to get too excited :/ | Apr 06 23:04 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Kernel Comment: Taking a partial view - The H Open Source http://goo.gl/dRxwj about ms code in the #linux kernel | Apr 06 23:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] There's Something Seriously Fishy About The Case Against Julian Assange | Business Insider http://t.co/RnVtw10o more http://t.co/h3BcA4pC | Apr 06 23:06 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Kernel Comment: Taking a partial view - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 44.37 KB | Apr 06 23:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: There's Something Fishy About The Swedish Case Against Julian Assange - Business Insider .::. Size~: 156.16 KB | Apr 06 23:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Justice for Assange .::. Size~: 34.91 KB | Apr 06 23:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Dobry tekst na temat wiersza Gunthera Grassa, Iranu, Izraela i Rambo. bit.ly/HtvKVm | Apr 06 23:29 | |
| DaemonFC | If it's illegal to annoy someone, they should send Dawn to the gas chamber for the pain she's been in my ass | Apr 06 23:42 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1493698 | Apr 06 23:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a Diaspora post? | Apr 06 23:58 |
| schestowitz | "Is is partly simply untrue, overall cynical, an unsuitable juxtaposition, a minimization of unspeakable horror towards people.." | Apr 06 23:58 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: who's he? | Apr 06 23:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: lead glibc dev that redhat and fsf fired | Apr 06 23:59 |
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