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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] 7 mails on !ACTA to Polish MEPs to be written before I can have some sleep. Ah well. At least do that yourself, too! bit.ly/Jmigcw | Apr 24 00:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] !Copyright Insanity: Richard O'Dwyer faces 10 yrs in jail⇒Lib Dems fight to halt extradition to US on piracy charges http://www.ur1.ca/92mvz | Apr 24 00:08 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RT @x11r5 @inscius I am impressed with the dragon tattoo | Apr 24 00:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RT @mcnalu Oh boy! Quantum decision affects results of measurements taken earlier in time: http://b1t.it/bmiJ | Apr 24 00:17 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] !linuxlibre 3.3.3-gnu, 3.2.16-gnu and 3.0.29-gnu sources are now available | Apr 24 00:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] ♻ @alexhundert #G20Report: Crown Theatrics in !FreeByron show trial, Mandy Resists in jail, and more! http://www.ur1.ca/92myh | Apr 24 00:20 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: G20 Report: Crown theatrics in #FreeByron show trial, Mandy resists in jail and more! | rabble.ca .::. Size~: 25.61 KB | Apr 24 00:20 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Thanks 4 sharing ♻ @digimer !FreeByron verdict has been delays. No set date, but expecting May 17/18. Will post update once we have details. | Apr 24 00:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Rolling Stone On "The #Koch Brothers, Exposed"--With an AlterNet Shout Out! | AlterNet http://goo.gl/1dz00 #usa http://goo.gl/rcmKV | Apr 24 00:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] builds for newer releases are slowly on the way, now that the !yeeloong build server is back up | Apr 24 00:27 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] now seeding! ♻ @selkfoster: #Dragora Torrents ~ http://ur1.ca/92myw | Apr 24 00:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] 1.3 ct lavender tanzanite earrings how could anyone resist? | Apr 24 00:28 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: [Dragora-bug] Dragora 2.2 Torrents .::. Size~: 3.65 KB | Apr 24 00:28 |
| schestowitz | webdav could be nice.. | Apr 24 00:30 |
| schestowitz | but MS spits in it. | Apr 24 00:30 |
| schestowitz | Making it accessible through the browser is easy, but making it accessible/editable with any webdav tool I've seen is nearly impossible without a Windows box. Ajax tools that I found don't help because the target wiki is firewalled and must be accessed via proxy. | Apr 24 00:31 |
| schestowitz | For Firefox, the suitable tools require Windows (plugins that are not cross-platform) and Firefox is the simplest for making an IP wormhole through SSH. I'll check the other options as this one is taking up time in vain. | Apr 24 00:31 |
| scientes | hmm yeah i've never tried to do webdav | Apr 24 00:31 |
| scientes | i dont see what is inadaquate with imap for the same thing however? | Apr 24 00:31 |
| scientes | cause imap is essentially a file system | Apr 24 00:32 |
| schestowitz | everything is a file :-) | Apr 24 00:35 |
| schestowitz | even databases | Apr 24 00:35 |
| schestowitz | although a very bizarre structure | Apr 24 00:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Sleep tight. | Apr 24 00:37 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Tiki Wiki CMS Groupware - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://goo.gl/jbKCy | Apr 24 01:02 | |
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| scientes | databases != filesystem | Apr 24 01:02 |
| scientes | caused they are indexed | Apr 24 01:02 |
| scientes | and have set columns | Apr 24 01:02 |
| scientes | the database most like a filesystem i can think of is the b-tree arbitraryu-length column GNU dbm | Apr 24 01:03 |
| scientes | *arbitrary-length value | Apr 24 01:03 |
| scientes | but yeah i get your pint, | Apr 24 01:04 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Like, uh, a minute. | Apr 24 01:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] RT @zooko I'm glad Singly got another round of investment. Hope they use it well! Focusing on the API, huh? http://identi.ca/url/69148362 | Apr 24 01:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Hey, that's great news. | Apr 24 01:22 | |
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| scientes | lol facebook seems to have banned bing maps | Apr 24 01:38 |
| scientes | wait something else | Apr 24 01:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] If the BBC ever ran a series on young people and crime. Forgotten was Middle aged and crime for some reminded people of corrupt politicians. | Apr 24 01:38 | |
| formic_ | lol snit | Apr 24 01:39 |
| formic_ | "Vista is not windows 7, thats why its 7 and the next one is 8" | Apr 24 01:40 |
| formic_ | what a fool | Apr 24 01:40 |
| scientes | yep | Apr 24 01:40 |
| scientes | because Vista 7 is Vista | Apr 24 01:40 |
| scientes | they are the same damn thing | Apr 24 01:40 |
| formic_ | Vista is Server 2008, and Windows 7 is Server 2008 R2 | Apr 24 01:40 |
| formic_ | there isn't much different between Server 2008 and R2 other than service packs | Apr 24 01:41 |
| scientes | and 6 is actuallyy NT 6.1 | Apr 24 01:41 |
| scientes | and 8 might be 6.2? | Apr 24 01:41 |
| scientes | or 7, which would be even wierder | Apr 24 01:41 |
| formic_ | kernel version 6.1 for windows 7 | Apr 24 01:41 |
| scientes | anyways, i far prefer my linux 3.2 | Apr 24 01:42 |
| formic_ | yeah well this guy is wrong even about the stuff he pushes | Apr 24 01:43 |
| formic_ | LOL | Apr 24 01:43 |
| formic_ | the stuff I mentioned isn't in microsofts propaganda marketing kit | Apr 24 01:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @m4nima1 How Stanford feeds Silicon Valley's innovation machine - http://b1t.it/bmkm | Apr 24 01:43 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: How Stanford feeds Silicon Valley's innovation machine | The Verge .::. Size~: 83.09 KB | Apr 24 01:43 |
| scientes | and gcc 4.7 (im still on 4.6 actually :( | Apr 24 01:43 |
| formic_ | I already hate 4.7 | Apr 24 01:44 |
| formic_ | its not 4.7.1 | Apr 24 01:44 |
| formic_ | which is what I want | Apr 24 01:44 |
| formic_ | actually I might not midn | Apr 24 01:44 |
| prurigro | what's wrong with 4.7? | Apr 24 01:45 |
| formic_ | "The GCC 4.7.0 release includes Go support that is very close to Go 1. Due to release timing it will not include the last few changes to the Go 1 libraries. The GCC 4.7.1 release should include a complete Go 1 compiler and libraries." | Apr 24 01:45 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] 2012-Apr-30: Phil Archer participates at a panel entitled: Discussion Panel" http://ow.ly/1j1ZPK | Apr 24 01:45 | |
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| formic_ | an incomplete go compiler is whats wrong | Apr 24 01:46 |
| prurigro | hmm, it does seem to be causing small errors in cjdns when compiled with -O2 or -O3 | Apr 24 01:47 |
| formic_ | im not having issues with that | Apr 24 01:47 |
| formic_ | actually ill end up using the official go compiler anyways, it has some neat things | Apr 24 01:48 |
| formic_ | "go get url.projectwebsite.com/repo" will grab source, compile and give you an executable | Apr 24 01:49 |
| formic_ | go get code.google.com/p/go-tour/gotour | Apr 24 01:49 |
| formic_ | mercurial is required | Apr 24 01:50 |
| formic_ | gotour runs a web server listening on localhost only, and it gives you a browser based tutorial in go, which is also interactive | Apr 24 01:51 |
| formic_ | you can compile and run go code in the browser along side the tutorial | Apr 24 01:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] There are some definite nasty cases (Webkit, BSD kernel), but lots of counter-examples (JQuery, Rails) too. | Apr 24 01:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] I guess my big concern is that Free Software is not providing attractive alternatives for software services. | Apr 24 01:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] So, I found some problems with the Identi.ca queue server, and I had to set up a new one. It seems to be working nicely though. | Apr 24 01:52 | |
| scientes | formic_, well i dont compile go | Apr 24 02:22 |
| scientes | i want it so maybe i can use LTO | Apr 24 02:23 |
| formic_ | LTO was in 4.6 | Apr 24 02:23 |
| scientes | 4.7 massively lowered memory requirements for LTO | Apr 24 02:24 |
| formic_ | I have 16gb | Apr 24 02:24 |
| DiabloD3 | >LTO | Apr 24 02:24 |
| formic_ | lol | Apr 24 02:24 |
| DiabloD3 | this better not be fucking ubuntu | Apr 24 02:24 |
| scientes | DiabloD3, did ubuntu break LTO? | Apr 24 02:25 |
| scientes | or use ASLR excessively? | Apr 24 02:25 |
| formic_ | ubuntu is just shit | Apr 24 02:25 |
| DiabloD3 | I dunno | Apr 24 02:26 |
| DiabloD3 | but anytime anyone mentions that kind of shit | Apr 24 02:26 |
| DiabloD3 | its because ubuntu fucked it up | Apr 24 02:26 |
| DiabloD3 | although, I have to admit, its a slight improvement | Apr 24 02:26 |
| scientes | nah this was in the gcc 4.7 release notes | Apr 24 02:26 |
| DiabloD3 | before ubuntu, the only time you heard someone mention shit like this was because fedora fucked it up | Apr 24 02:26 |
| formic_ | LOL | Apr 24 02:27 |
| formic_ | no | Apr 24 02:27 |
| formic_ | fedora actually works with upstream | Apr 24 02:29 |
| formic_ | ubuntu just takes everything from debian and then breaks it | Apr 24 02:29 |
| DiabloD3 | gcc 2.96. | Apr 24 02:29 |
| DiabloD3 | bam. | Apr 24 02:29 |
| scientes | <formic_> fedora actually works with upstream | Apr 24 02:30 |
| scientes | <formic_> ubuntu just takes everything from debian and then breaks it | Apr 24 02:30 |
| scientes | yep | Apr 24 02:30 |
| scientes | fedora breaks alot, but that is because they are pushing the envelope | Apr 24 02:30 |
| formic_ | they are as bleeding edge as they can be | Apr 24 02:30 |
| scientes | while when ubuntu breaks its just because of stupidity | Apr 24 02:30 |
| formic_ | ubuntu breaks things so that unity works better | Apr 24 02:31 |
| formic_ | so they can sell proprietary software on the store | Apr 24 02:31 |
| scientes | and balkanize the linux desktop | Apr 24 02:31 |
| scientes | with their upstart shit | Apr 24 02:31 |
| formic_ | while they push apps for iOS | Apr 24 02:31 |
| scientes | <formic_> while they push apps for iOS | Apr 24 02:31 |
| scientes | WUTTT | Apr 24 02:31 |
| DiabloD3 | color paste wat | Apr 24 02:31 |
| scientes | oh yeah that stupid music shit | Apr 24 02:32 |
| formic_ | theres an ubuntu one app for iOS | Apr 24 02:32 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] I think it's the dot. | Apr 24 02:32 | |
| scientes | maybe i should just switch to fedora | Apr 24 02:32 |
| prurigro | go rolling | Apr 24 02:32 |
| scientes | i just #1 dont like the attitude of the SElinux ppl, or the fact that they wont compile in tomoyo and apparmor into their kernels | Apr 24 02:32 |
| scientes | #2 am use to apt, and apt-cacher-ng so i have no idea to have sane caching of a fedora repo | Apr 24 02:33 |
| formic_ | scientes - thats because tomoyo and apparmor are bullshit | Apr 24 02:33 |
| prurigro | se linux is also a bit of a false sense of security | Apr 24 02:33 |
| scientes | and SMACK, which tizen uses | Apr 24 02:33 |
| formic_ | selinux pwns u | Apr 24 02:33 |
| scientes | selinux does things like go overboard with ptrace protections | Apr 24 02:33 |
| scientes | which is default in fedora | Apr 24 02:33 |
| scientes | while yama/ubuntu does it sanely, alling ptrace of child processes | Apr 24 02:33 |
| formic_ | there is no overboard security | Apr 24 02:34 |
| scientes | so gdb foo still workds, like strace foo | Apr 24 02:34 |
| formic_ | ptrace is dangerous foo | Apr 24 02:34 |
| scientes | formic_, the processes can always double fork and avoid ptrace by reparenting to init | Apr 24 02:34 |
| scientes | with both systemd | Apr 24 02:34 |
| scientes | *systems | Apr 24 02:34 |
| scientes | but fedora makes ptrace a 100% privlidged operation | Apr 24 02:34 |
| formic_ | novell CRapparmor | Apr 24 02:35 |
| scientes | which makes computers less useful | Apr 24 02:35 |
| formic_ | I don't trust novell with security | Apr 24 02:35 |
| scientes | without ptrace, then you have to use emulation to get the same functionality | Apr 24 02:35 |
| prurigro | se linux makes things more secure, but to a really good hacker its just another hassle that attempts to convince them not to bother | Apr 24 02:35 |
| scientes | it is bullshit for fedora to remove functionality from computers like that, with ptrace | Apr 24 02:35 |
| scientes | when ptrace of child processes is NOT a security issue | Apr 24 02:36 |
| formic_ | sure it is | Apr 24 02:36 |
| scientes | no it is not | Apr 24 02:36 |
| formic_ | yes | Apr 24 02:36 |
| scientes | formic_, how? | Apr 24 02:36 |
| scientes | name a single case where it is a security issue? | Apr 24 02:36 |
| formic_ | how is it not a security issue | Apr 24 02:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] HFS | Apr 24 02:37 | |
| scientes | i dont think you understand how ptrace works, before these things | Apr 24 02:37 |
| scientes | or what the definition of "security" is | Apr 24 02:37 |
| formic_ | ask one person at defcon | Apr 24 02:38 |
| scientes | all fedora's stance on ptrace/selinux style is, is "lets remove functionality from our operating system" | Apr 24 02:38 |
| formic_ | or hope | Apr 24 02:38 |
| formic_ | you'll get pwned instantly | Apr 24 02:38 |
| scientes | formic_, get to the point | Apr 24 02:38 |
| formic_ | figure it out, im not going to explain it in an IRC chat room | Apr 24 02:38 |
| scientes | its simple, ptrace of child processes is NOT a security issue | Apr 24 02:39 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] I am surprised during the course of an Indian film how many English words I hear, we were out of order and should never have been there. | Apr 24 02:39 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @linuxfoundation Tutorial: Set your system up for multiple users with sudo. http://bit.ly/JB3zV5 | Apr 24 02:39 | |
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| scientes | the parent can run whatever it wants, even a file it creates and then sets +x | Apr 24 02:39 |
| scientes | and it does not have to call ptrace | Apr 24 02:39 |
| scientes | and child processes inherit the permissions of the parent | Apr 24 02:39 |
| scientes | therefore: its not a security issue | Apr 24 02:39 |
| formic_ | you're not convincing me at all | Apr 24 02:40 |
| scientes | (im not mentioning a few corner cases that are taken care of, like suid) | Apr 24 02:40 |
| formic_ | it would take me too long to explain it to you | Apr 24 02:40 |
| scientes | by the existing system | Apr 24 02:40 |
| formic_ | basicly, its hackable | Apr 24 02:40 |
| formic_ | almost everything is | Apr 24 02:40 |
| scientes | no its not | Apr 24 02:40 |
| scientes | you could just use seccomp | Apr 24 02:41 |
| scientes | the parent process could | Apr 24 02:41 |
| scientes | and turn ptrace off for itsself | Apr 24 02:41 |
| scientes | that way you dont lower functionality of the operating system | Apr 24 02:41 |
| scientes | or it could double fork all its child processes | Apr 24 02:41 |
| scientes | security has to be functional | Apr 24 02:41 |
| scientes | and stopping ptrace of child processes is pure idiocy, and paranoia that causes computer to become less secure in the long run | Apr 24 02:42 |
| formic_ | wrong | Apr 24 02:42 |
| scientes | because there is nothing stopping the parent from just emulating the child, and therefore getting ptrace back | Apr 24 02:42 |
| scientes | (but at a huge performance penalty) | Apr 24 02:42 |
| scientes | unless selinux is broken from the start with a screwed up child model..... | Apr 24 02:43 |
| formic_ | you seriously have no idea how this effects kernel security | Apr 24 02:43 |
| scientes | ahh you think the ptrace system call is a potential privlidge escalation bug waiting to happen? | Apr 24 02:44 |
| formic_ | there was an exploit back in 2003 where a ptrace system call exploited a child process of the kernel (which was running as root) | Apr 24 02:44 |
| scientes | well they why didn't you say that | Apr 24 02:44 |
| scientes | i fucking hate that | Apr 24 02:44 |
| formic_ | derpy derp derp | Apr 24 02:44 |
| scientes | that is the second time this week that someone has said "i cant explain something that is really simple" | Apr 24 02:44 |
| scientes | fucking assholes | Apr 24 02:44 |
| formic_ | go read | Apr 24 02:44 |
| scientes | then support both modes | Apr 24 02:45 |
| scientes | but no, selinux doesn't do that | Apr 24 02:45 |
| formic_ | !google how to exploit ptrace child processes | Apr 24 02:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - SANS: Malware FAQ: How does the Ptrace exploit work on Linux? | http://www.sans.org/security-resources/malwarefaq/Ptrace.php | Apr 24 02:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Process Tracing Using Ptrace LG #81 | http://linuxgazette.net/81/sandeep.html | Apr 24 02:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - linux - ptrace'ing of parent process - Stack Overflow | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2216035/ptraceing-of-parent-process | Apr 24 02:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Linux Local Privilege Escalation via SUID /proc/pid/mem Write ... | http://blog.zx2c4.com/749 | Apr 24 02:45 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Andrew Neil re-shows his true colours in this "Provacative film" about human rights. #fuckingtwattosser | Apr 24 02:45 | |
| scientes | oh yeah i've heard of that one | Apr 24 02:45 |
| scientes | and read about it | Apr 24 02:45 |
| scientes | but it is fixed | Apr 24 02:45 |
| formic_ | !google hacking the art of exploitation erickson | Apr 24 02:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Amazon.com: Hacking: The Art of Exploitation, 2nd Edition ... | http://www.amazon.com/Hacking-The-Art-Exploitation-Edition/dp/1593271441 | Apr 24 02:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Amazon.com: Hacking: The Art of Exploitation w/CD ... | http://www.amazon.com/Hacking-The-Art-Exploitation-CD/dp/1593270070 | Apr 24 02:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Hacking: The Art of Exploitation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacking:_The_Art_of_Exploitation | Apr 24 02:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Hacking, 2nd Edition | No Starch Press | http://nostarch.com/hacking2.htm | Apr 24 02:46 |
| scientes | and IIRC it was more about /proc/pid/mem than ptrace itsself | Apr 24 02:46 |
| scientes | formic_, stop being an asshole | Apr 24 02:46 |
| scientes | yes, you need to avoid turing complete languages and the like | Apr 24 02:46 |
| prurigro | http://news.slashdot.org/story/12/04/23/2245250/company-accidentally-fires-entire-staff-via-email | Apr 24 02:46 |
| formic_ | I feel like Ulrich Depper right now | Apr 24 02:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Company Accidentally Fires Entire Staff Via Email - Slashdot .::. Size~: 230.76 KB | Apr 24 02:46 |
| scientes | buty reducing functionality does not make things more secure | Apr 24 02:47 |
| scientes | full stop | Apr 24 02:47 |
| formic_ | sure it does | Apr 24 02:47 |
| prurigro | ^^ true, that's actually the premise of a course I've taken recently | Apr 24 02:47 |
| prurigro | reducing functionality = people moving around your security | Apr 24 02:47 |
| formic_ | requiring the user to put in their password a few more times, is reducing functionality | Apr 24 02:47 |
| scientes | prurigro, bullshit | Apr 24 02:47 |
| scientes | because there is no such thing as reducing functionality | Apr 24 02:47 |
| formic_ | yet it improves security | Apr 24 02:47 |
| prurigro | scientes, I'm confused, you just flipflopped what you were saying completely | Apr 24 02:48 |
| prurigro | what are you trying to say? | Apr 24 02:48 |
| scientes | prurigro, oh sorry i thought you were agreeing with formic_ | Apr 24 02:48 |
| prurigro | haha | Apr 24 02:48 |
| prurigro | nope | Apr 24 02:48 |
| scientes | i had to read the second line | Apr 24 02:48 |
| prurigro | (sorry formic_) | Apr 24 02:48 |
| scientes | <prurigro> reducing functionality = people moving around your security | Apr 24 02:48 |
| scientes | yep | Apr 24 02:48 |
| prurigro | I just pressed return with that ^^ half a second too late | Apr 24 02:48 |
| scientes | and with a turing complete program the user can ALWAYS move around the security | Apr 24 02:48 |
| scientes | its just gets slower | Apr 24 02:49 |
| prurigro | it was a really good course, taught by one of the leading experts in the psychology of computer security | Apr 24 02:49 |
| prurigro | and word, yea | Apr 24 02:49 |
| formic_ | I have a better course | Apr 24 02:49 |
| formic_ | Ghost in the Wires - Kevin Mitnick | Apr 24 02:49 |
| prurigro | haven't finished that one yet ^^ but I'm finally done the semester after tomorrow, so I plan to finish soon | Apr 24 02:50 |
| prurigro | what are you getting at in terms of the discussion though? | Apr 24 02:50 |
| formic_ | you started? | Apr 24 02:50 |
| prurigro | I did, but then I was interrupted and haven't had a chance to start again | Apr 24 02:50 |
| formic_ | ahhh | Apr 24 02:50 |
| formic_ | I've been listening to it every day for like a month | Apr 24 02:50 |
| prurigro | haha | Apr 24 02:50 |
| scientes | this is a REALLY good video on security http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kEfedtQVOY | Apr 24 02:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: 28c3: The Science of Insecurity - YouTube .::. Size~: 132.53 KB | Apr 24 02:51 |
| prurigro | ohh yea, I watched this a couple months ago | Apr 24 02:51 |
| prurigro | twas an excellent watch | Apr 24 02:51 |
| formic_ | http://mirror.fem-net.de/CCC/28C3/mp4-h264-HQ/28c3-4763-en-the_science_of_insecurity_h264.mp4 | Apr 24 02:51 |
| formic_ | mp4...... | Apr 24 02:51 |
| scientes | selinux/fedora totally turning off ptrace by default is one of the stupidest ideas ever | Apr 24 02:51 |
| scientes | formic_, youtube is mp4/html5 too | Apr 24 02:52 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] What? This thing? It's working pretty fast! | Apr 24 02:52 | |
| formic_ | I always hate the premise these people use | Apr 24 02:52 |
| formic_ | "learn how exploits work so we can secure our code" | Apr 24 02:52 |
| formic_ | no! | Apr 24 02:52 |
| formic_ | "learn how exploits work so we can hack people" | Apr 24 02:52 |
| scientes | and it really puts me off fedora, cause the whole point of selinux is to have find-grained security, of which this ptrace stuff is exactly the opposite | Apr 24 02:53 |
| scientes | *entire point of MAC | Apr 24 02:53 |
| formic_ | scientes - turn it off | Apr 24 02:53 |
| prurigro | formic_, why not both? | Apr 24 02:53 |
| formic_ | for some reason the NSA has a reason to have that on | Apr 24 02:53 |
| prurigro | scientes, why not go arch? | Apr 24 02:53 |
| prurigro | :) | Apr 24 02:53 |
| scientes | formic_, that why i mentioned my point that fedora refuses to compile-in TOMOYO or AppArmor or SMACK | Apr 24 02:53 |
| formic_ | [21:51] <prurigro> formic_, why not both? | Apr 24 02:53 |
| scientes | ..or yama ptrace stuff | Apr 24 02:54 |
| formic_ | scientes - fedora only wants to support selinux | Apr 24 02:54 |
| formic_ | you get the srpm and built it yourself | Apr 24 02:54 |
| scientes | formic_, DURR HURR i know, but i am saying that my trust of that project is broken by this ptrace issue | Apr 24 02:54 |
| scientes | something that got about just as much heat on lwn | Apr 24 02:54 |
| prurigro | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/TOMOYO_Linux https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/AppArmor | Apr 24 02:54 |
| formic_ | well don't be so hard headed | Apr 24 02:54 |
| scientes | prurigro, yeah we need to work on a better GUI for TOMOYO | Apr 24 02:55 |
| formic_ | you can turn it off, recompile the kernel and have tomoyo | Apr 24 02:55 |
| scientes | formic_, yeah but then it isn't "fedora" is it? | Apr 24 02:55 |
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| formic_ | sure it is | Apr 24 02:55 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Gawd quit yellin at me already. | Apr 24 02:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] I think they're orthogonal. | Apr 24 02:55 | |
| scientes | nope, and their trademarks policies clearly state that | Apr 24 02:55 |
| scientes | (as do their employees) | Apr 24 02:55 |
| formic_ | wth are you talking about | Apr 24 02:55 |
| formic_ | you're talking about redistribution | Apr 24 02:56 |
| scientes | sure i know how to compile my own kernel, but that isn't the using a distribution | Apr 24 02:56 |
| formic_ | you dont have to remove "fedora-branding" packages when you recompile your own kernel | Apr 24 02:56 |
| prurigro | if you start with the fedora .config and modify it slightly then that could still be considered fedora imo | Apr 24 02:56 |
| prurigro | you could even get a script that adds your tweaks to each new config and recompiles on each update | Apr 24 02:57 |
| formic_ | you can't redistribute something called fedora anyawys | Apr 24 02:57 |
| scientes | prurigro, not by Red Hat's policies, which i have seen Red Hat employees be pretty strict on | Apr 24 02:58 |
| scientes | but that isn't the point | Apr 24 02:58 |
| formic_ | thats still redistribution | Apr 24 02:58 |
| scientes | debian and ubuntu compile all the security modules in their kernels | Apr 24 02:58 |
| formic_ | debian and ubuntu, then also have to provide support for that | Apr 24 02:58 |
| scientes | no, they dont | Apr 24 02:58 |
| formic_ | including instructing idiots on irc how to use it | Apr 24 02:58 |
| formic_ | then they are already behind fedora | Apr 24 02:58 |
| formic_ | fedora has support in irc and they support selinux | Apr 24 02:59 |
| scientes | well anyways, im just saying that while i see a big point in using super-cutting edge stuff from time to time, there are a numbers rof reason why i havn't really given fedora a go | Apr 24 02:59 |
| scientes | but systemd definitely pushed me in that direction | Apr 24 02:59 |
| scientes | i've helped fedora fix their selinux problems (real problems, not user problems) | Apr 24 03:00 |
| formic_ | there even used to be a redhat employee who had a xen kernel repo | Apr 24 03:00 |
| scientes | yuck, i would rather xen burn in a fire :P | Apr 24 03:00 |
| formic_ | when fedora removed xen kernel support for kvm | Apr 24 03:00 |
| scientes | xen has a broken driver model | Apr 24 03:00 |
| formic_ | yup | Apr 24 03:01 |
| formic_ | xen also requires xen in the linux kernel | Apr 24 03:01 |
| scientes | the one thing that xen has that kvm doesn't is primary vga IOMMU support | Apr 24 03:01 |
| scientes | which needs to be ported to kvm | Apr 24 03:01 |
| prurigro | scientes, what do you mean redhat's policies? this is your system no? | Apr 24 03:01 |
| formic_ | [21:59] <scientes> the one thing that xen has that kvm doesn't is primary vga IOMMU support | Apr 24 03:01 |
| scientes | that could be a big selling point on people being able to run their windows games in a virtual machine | Apr 24 03:01 |
| formic_ | use qxl | Apr 24 03:01 |
| formic_ | spice | Apr 24 03:01 |
| scientes | formic_, that is nothing compared to true native IOMMU | Apr 24 03:02 |
| formic_ | it provides an advantage | Apr 24 03:02 |
| scientes | <prurigro> scientes, what do you mean redhat's policies? this is your system no? | Apr 24 03:02 |
| scientes | certainly | Apr 24 03:02 |
| formic_ | the video driver is also a remote display usable over the network | Apr 24 03:02 |
| scientes | i know i can compile my own kernel, but id rather avoid it if possible | Apr 24 03:02 |
| formic_ | men compile their own kernels | Apr 24 03:03 |
| formic_ | puts hair on the chest | Apr 24 03:03 |
| scientes | i probably compile a kernel at least once a week | Apr 24 03:03 |
| scientes | 2 or three times a rc | Apr 24 03:03 |
| scientes | in fact i have to tftpboot my sheevaplug because of a bug that ONLY appeared when tryinvg to write the new kernel | Apr 24 03:03 |
| prurigro | I try to compile a few an hour myself | Apr 24 03:03 |
| scientes | (bug when i googled it has been fixed) | Apr 24 03:03 |
| scientes | it was 3.4rc1, fixed in maybe rc2/3 | Apr 24 03:04 |
| formic_ | I ssh into my box at home just to compile new kernels | Apr 24 03:04 |
| prurigro | I compile kernels in my head | Apr 24 03:04 |
| prurigro | backwards | Apr 24 03:04 |
| scientes | prurigro, lots of math | Apr 24 03:04 |
| formic_ | I compile kernels in my head using gpg ascii | Apr 24 03:04 |
| formic_ | while juggling chainsaws | Apr 24 03:04 |
| scientes | i compile my kernels on the head of a pin | Apr 24 03:04 |
| prurigro | I do it in Morse code, because binary is so black and white | Apr 24 03:05 |
| prurigro | I do it on a train, I do it on a plane! | Apr 24 03:05 |
| prurigro | but I do not like green eggs and ham | Apr 24 03:05 |
| scientes | Apr 24 03:06 | |
| scientes | “ | Apr 24 03:06 |
| scientes | I always eagerly wait for the new Lunix kernel. When I think of what compilation commands to use I get a huge boner and I often masturbate during the compilation. Some time ago I bought a new computer that compiles the kernel so fast I don't have time to cum. So I compile it twice. | Apr 24 03:06 |
| scientes | „ | Apr 24 03:06 |
| scientes | Apr 24 03:06 | |
| formic_ | my kernel was so optimized I fried green eggs and ham on my cpu | Apr 24 03:06 |
| formic_ | LOL | Apr 24 03:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] I need to listen to this. I find the "right way" idea a little worrying. | Apr 24 03:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Oh! That kind of sucks. What were you doing? Reading something or posting something? | Apr 24 03:07 | |
| scientes | hope he runs make clean! | Apr 24 03:08 |
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| formic_ | no wonder people like their old computers | Apr 24 03:09 |
| prurigro | scientes, lmao | Apr 24 03:09 |
| formic_ | they probably have to cum multiple times | Apr 24 03:10 |
| formic_ | before its done compiling | Apr 24 03:10 |
| prurigro | multiple orgasms ftw | Apr 24 03:10 |
| DiabloD3 | man | Apr 24 03:11 |
| DiabloD3 | scientes has discovered the oldest troll on the internet | Apr 24 03:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Some guy posted 30,000 spam messages to identi.ca in 16 days. That's just incredible. | Apr 24 03:12 | |
| scientes | DiabloD3, its better every time | Apr 24 03:12 |
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| formic_ | no wonder gentoo is popular | Apr 24 03:13 |
| formic_ | "im going to recompile my whole system, just updated gcc 4.7, *GOD YES*" | Apr 24 03:14 |
| scientes | http://funroll-loops.info/ | Apr 24 03:14 |
| formic_ | "ooooo yes, first compile the toolchain, and compile it again!" | Apr 24 03:14 |
| scientes | ^have fun | Apr 24 03:14 |
| DiabloD3 | funroll loops | Apr 24 03:14 |
| scientes | i was actually thinking about that | Apr 24 03:14 |
| formic_ | "then compile the rest of the system with the recompiled recompiled toolchain" | Apr 24 03:14 |
| scientes | imageine starting with windows 3.1 | Apr 24 03:15 |
| scientes | and trying to get to, lets saw, a full fedora default install | Apr 24 03:15 |
| scientes | with zero-compile non-msft code | Apr 24 03:15 |
| scientes | or fuck it, MS-DOS 6, installed on a modern 64-bit comp (yes you can do it) | Apr 24 03:15 |
| scientes | then try to upgrade it to XP or so, and then cross-compile gcc | Apr 24 03:16 |
| scientes | you could waste a whole week | Apr 24 03:17 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] OK. That's usually because of the queue server. Let me see what I can do. | Apr 24 03:17 | |
| prurigro | DiabloD3, my ricer was sick back in the day | Apr 24 03:17 |
| DiabloD3 | Gentoo didnt exist when I started using Debian | Apr 24 03:18 |
| DiabloD3 | ergo, I am superior. | Apr 24 03:18 |
| formic_ | ^^ | Apr 24 03:19 |
| scientes | anybody here used linux on PPC | Apr 24 03:19 |
| scientes | i've not heard of one "little-endianness problem" | Apr 24 03:19 |
| formic_ | DiabloD3 is actually Ulrich Depper in disguise | Apr 24 03:19 |
| DiabloD3 | fuck you | Apr 24 03:20 |
| scientes | seems like it would suck, so much software would be broken all the time | Apr 24 03:20 |
| formic_ | see ^^ | Apr 24 03:20 |
| DiabloD3 | ulrich drepper can go fuck himself | Apr 24 03:20 |
| DiabloD3 | and his goldnut sachs overlords too | Apr 24 03:20 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] mandy's blog⇒ Bored But Not Broken: ALL OUT FOR BYRON! http://www.ur1.ca/92mz9 !FreeByron | Apr 24 03:20 | |
| formic_ | hes such an asshole he probably went to work there just to piss off RMS | Apr 24 03:20 |
| formic_ | trolling irl | Apr 24 03:20 |
| prurigro | DiabloD3, I used slackware before gentoo came along | Apr 24 03:21 |
| scientes | what ever happend to the not news site archives? | Apr 24 03:21 |
| formic_ | I used mandrake when it was redhat + kde themes | Apr 24 03:21 |
| scientes | that blog was funny | Apr 24 03:21 |
| prurigro | haha | Apr 24 03:21 |
| prurigro | I tried mandrake too-- man it was terrible | Apr 24 03:21 |
| formic_ | I used caldera openlinux | Apr 24 03:22 |
| scientes | anyways, see this vitriol on ulrich http://blog.aurel32.net/47 | Apr 24 03:22 |
| prurigro | only linux distro I ever had a bsod in | Apr 24 03:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Worse. How about now? | Apr 24 03:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Better. That's good. New queue server wasn't working. Round-robin made for sporadic fails. | Apr 24 03:22 | |
| formic_ | it had tetris in the installer | Apr 24 03:22 |
| scientes | realy, i remember the nvidia propritay driver being a POS a few years ago | Apr 24 03:22 |
| DiabloD3 | good news | Apr 24 03:22 |
| DiabloD3 | its a pos today too\ | Apr 24 03:22 |
| scientes | and i managed to get my computer to reliably crash by putting swap on a loop-back ext4 partition on btrfs :P | Apr 24 03:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] OK, so, now? | Apr 24 03:23 | |
| prurigro | better news | Apr 24 03:24 |
| prurigro | nouveau is actually decent now | Apr 24 03:24 |
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| scientes | not on my nv40 | Apr 24 03:24 |
| formic_ | its getting better | Apr 24 03:24 |
| formic_ | it still needs better power management | Apr 24 03:24 |
| scientes | but yes, on some chips | Apr 24 03:24 |
| formic_ | I don't like listening to my laptop overheat | Apr 24 03:24 |
| prurigro | they're updating it all the time | Apr 24 03:24 |
| prurigro | these days | Apr 24 03:24 |
| prurigro | I think people are finally getting interested in developing for it now that its usable on all the older cards | Apr 24 03:25 |
| scientes | meh, radeon is still far better than nouveau | Apr 24 03:25 |
| prurigro | is it? I've had better luck with nouveau | Apr 24 03:25 |
| prurigro | but your mileage likely varies between cards | Apr 24 03:25 |
| prurigro | best open source drivers were the ati ones on my rage128 | Apr 24 03:26 |
| XFaCE | lol | Apr 24 03:26 |
| scientes | ^ | Apr 24 03:26 |
| XFaCE | That was years ago | Apr 24 03:26 |
| formic_ | lol | Apr 24 03:26 |
| prurigro | lol | Apr 24 03:26 |
| formic_ | best open source drivers for me right now are my wifi drivers | Apr 24 03:26 |
| prurigro | my fps on glxgears pwned for the time too | Apr 24 03:26 |
| formic_ | they all started supporting injection, even broadcom and intel | Apr 24 03:26 |
| scientes | those have gotten a shitload better in the last while | Apr 24 03:27 |
| XFaCE | Like saying the best OSS video card drivers are the ones for my 486 | Apr 24 03:27 |
| XFaCE | formic_: Best ones for me are atheros | Apr 24 03:27 |
| formic_ | my best one is an intel iwl3945 | Apr 24 03:27 |
| XFaCE | asides from some kernel crashes with one version | Apr 24 03:27 |
| formic_ | supports injection and the reaver attack | Apr 24 03:27 |
| XFaCE | The Intel GMA drivers suck donkey dick | Apr 24 03:28 |
| XFaCE | eh prurigro? | Apr 24 03:28 |
| prurigro | hm? | Apr 24 03:28 |
| XFaCE | no f*cking vsync | Apr 24 03:28 |
| formic_ | vsync is for idiots | Apr 24 03:28 |
| prurigro | I love vsync | Apr 24 03:28 |
| prurigro | why hate? | Apr 24 03:28 |
| formic_ | yeah lets artificially reduce my framerate | Apr 24 03:28 |
| formic_ | fun | Apr 24 03:28 |
| prurigro | yea, lets reduce tearing and keep the fps at the max refresh rate of my monitor | Apr 24 03:28 |
| formic_ | 60 fps is enough for me! | Apr 24 03:29 |
| formic_ | reduce tearing is nonsense | Apr 24 03:29 |
| XFaCE | prurigro: I mean vsync doesn't work on the intel with xrender | Apr 24 03:29 |
| prurigro | and the point of exceeding the refresh rate of my monitor at the cost of massive tearing is? | Apr 24 03:29 |
| formic_ | any gamer will tell you vsync is useless | Apr 24 03:29 |
| XFaCE | I wasn't dissing vsync ;) | Apr 24 03:29 |
| prurigro | XFaCE, formic_ was :) word though, your intel card can 'definitely' vsync-- if its not working then its configuration | Apr 24 03:30 |
| XFaCE | prurigro: We know why | Apr 24 03:30 |
| XFaCE | because x11 xrender can't do it with Intel drivers | Apr 24 03:30 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Yeah, that was it. Should be better now. | Apr 24 03:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Assistance sought to escort puppy from anyone travelling (or know transit/transport folks doing so) from Clovis New Mexico (USA) to Ontario | Apr 24 03:30 | |
| prurigro | are you talking about composting sans glx? | Apr 24 03:30 |
| XFaCE | oui | Apr 24 03:30 |
| prurigro | oh well yea | Apr 24 03:30 |
| prurigro | that has tearing on any card | Apr 24 03:30 |
| XFaCE | I am talking about the X11 | Apr 24 03:30 |
| formic_ | haven't seen screen tearing since i've always owned good monitors | Apr 24 03:31 |
| prurigro | even windows | Apr 24 03:31 |
| prurigro | monitors aren't responsible for preventing tearing | Apr 24 03:31 |
| XFaCE | prurigro: But apparently xrender does work properly (vsync wise) with other graphics cards | Apr 24 03:31 |
| formic_ | I haven't used vsync in 15 years | Apr 24 03:31 |
| XFaCE | prurigro: Remember? | Apr 24 03:31 |
| XFaCE | prurigro: Cairo Compmgr is the opengl solution? | Apr 24 03:31 |
| prurigro | XFaCE, yea, but my point was that you can't blame your intel card for having tearing in xfce | Apr 24 03:32 |
| formic_ | ever heard of double-buffering | Apr 24 03:32 |
| prurigro | double buffering works too | Apr 24 03:32 |
| formic_ | well thats something my games had 10 years ago | Apr 24 03:33 |
| formic_ | lol | Apr 24 03:33 |
| prurigro | allows an infinite fps in the background while only drawing the canvas at a rate that syncs with your vert refresh | Apr 24 03:33 |
| XFaCE | prurigro: No I can blame intel for shitty drivers :) | Apr 24 03:34 |
| formic_ | You're playing your favorite game at 75Hz refresh and 100FPS. You turn VSync on, and the game limits you to 75FPS. No problem, right? Fixed the tearing issue, it looks better. You get to an area that's particularly graphically intensive, an area that would drop your FPS down to about 60 without VSync. Now your card cannot do the 75FPS it was doing before, and since VSync is on, it has to do the next highest one on the list, | Apr 24 03:34 |
| formic_ | which is 37.5FPS. So now your game which was running at 75FPS just halved it's framerate to 37.5 instantly. Whether or not you find 37.5FPS smooth doesn't change the fact that the framerate just cut in half suddenly, which you would notice. This is what people hate about it. | Apr 24 03:34 |
| XFaCE | formic_: Can you use double buffering with Window Managers? | Apr 24 03:34 |
| XFaCE | or regular X11 stuff in general for that matter? | Apr 24 03:34 |
| formic_ | I would expect tripple buffering | Apr 24 03:34 |
| prurigro | XFaCE, why? first of all, intel didn't make those drivers, but also, the backend that xfce uses to do compositing was more of an intrim solution than anything, and isn't designed for something like vert refresh | Apr 24 03:35 |
| prurigro | its simply a 2d canvas with an alpha layer afaik | Apr 24 03:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] I turned off the user directory on identi.ca for now. It was filling up with spammy profiles and groups. | Apr 24 03:35 | |
| prurigro | formic_, yes, vsync takes more graphics processing power to pull off and if your card is normally able to do 70fps during intense spots you might now only be able to do 55 | Apr 24 03:36 |
| prurigro | but if you'd normally be doing 110fps, it ends up making no difference | Apr 24 03:36 |
| formic_ | 37.5 | Apr 24 03:36 |
| formic_ | half | Apr 24 03:36 |
| prurigro | half of what? | Apr 24 03:37 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] I'll own that. | Apr 24 03:37 | |
| formic_ | half of your frame rate | Apr 24 03:37 |
| XFaCE | DiabloD3: Whose fault is it that vsync causes tearing with the XFWM, Intel (95% responsible for the drivers ;) or the XFCE team? | Apr 24 03:37 |
| prurigro | interesting- nouveau does vsync without limiting the frames somehow... | Apr 24 03:37 |
| prurigro | I wonder if its actually double buffering | Apr 24 03:37 |
| DiabloD3 | intel | Apr 24 03:37 |
| DiabloD3 | prurigro: triple buffering | Apr 24 03:37 |
| prurigro | DiabloD3, why is it intel's fault? nvidia did the same with vsync on | Apr 24 03:38 |
| prurigro | DiabloD3, is that actually what nouveau is using then? | Apr 24 03:38 |
| DiabloD3 | if its vsyncing but not slowing down? yes | Apr 24 03:38 |
| prurigro | why not just call it that then? | Apr 24 03:38 |
| DiabloD3 | because computer graphics are a clusterfucl. | Apr 24 03:38 |
| prurigro | Option "GLXVBlank" "true" | Apr 24 03:38 |
| prurigro | I guess linux typically does go with 'vsync' | Apr 24 03:38 |
| prurigro | but yea, 1800fps with vsync is definitely gonna be based on buffering | Apr 24 03:39 |
| prurigro | +1 for nouveau | Apr 24 03:39 |
| prurigro | sadly, nouveau can't seem to do that for video acceleration yet | Apr 24 03:39 |
| formic_ | huh? | Apr 24 03:40 |
| prurigro | formic_, huh to what? | Apr 24 03:40 |
| DiabloD3 | triple buffering does this | Apr 24 03:40 |
| DiabloD3 | you have three buffers | Apr 24 03:40 |
| formic_ | I think failronix even had nouveau playing games | Apr 24 03:40 |
| DiabloD3 | a, b, c | Apr 24 03:40 |
| DiabloD3 | a is being displayed, c is being written to | Apr 24 03:40 |
| prurigro | and b is about to be a? | Apr 24 03:40 |
| DiabloD3 | when c is done, it flips with b unless its being flipped with a | Apr 24 03:40 |
| DiabloD3 | a and b are a vsync double buffer relationship | Apr 24 03:41 |
| DiabloD3 | b and c are a non-vsync double buffer relationship | Apr 24 03:41 |
| prurigro | word, an extra space if needed? or is it flipflopped in a consistent basis? | Apr 24 03:41 |
| DiabloD3 | flipped consistently | Apr 24 03:42 |
| DiabloD3 | now, oddly, its not ran as a queue | Apr 24 03:42 |
| DiabloD3 | because drivers actually DO use queues | Apr 24 03:42 |
| DiabloD3 | where c is actually a several frame queue | Apr 24 03:42 |
| prurigro | c is considerably larger then? | Apr 24 03:42 |
| DiabloD3 | which becomes extra hilarious when you realize how fucktarded drivers are typically written | Apr 24 03:42 |
| DiabloD3 | hacks on hacks on hacks on hacks that if they would stop being fucktards, the code would become much more simpler | Apr 24 03:43 |
| prurigro | hmm, could that be partly due to the sheer number of authors? | Apr 24 03:43 |
| DiabloD3 | no | Apr 24 03:44 |
| DiabloD3 | benchmark cheating mostly. | Apr 24 03:44 |
| prurigro | ack | Apr 24 03:44 |
| XFaCE | DiabloD3: Thanks jebus that Microsoft isn't involved | Apr 24 03:44 |
| formic_ | Microsoft is | Apr 24 03:44 |
| prurigro | yea | Apr 24 03:44 |
| XFaCE | agh | Apr 24 03:44 |
| scientes | what did you guys end up flameing each other about now? | Apr 24 03:44 |
| formic_ | DirectX | Apr 24 03:44 |
| prurigro | they write half the platform | Apr 24 03:45 |
| XFaCE | Now we know where benchmark cheating comes from :P | Apr 24 03:45 |
| prurigro | haha, naw | Apr 24 03:45 |
| XFaCE | *The benchmark | Apr 24 03:45 |
| prurigro | microsoft is involved in all graphics cards | Apr 24 03:45 |
| XFaCE | Remember the NTFS tests? | Apr 24 03:45 |
| scientes | oh, directX is a POS | Apr 24 03:45 |
| formic_ | oh no they arent involved in the cheating | Apr 24 03:45 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Diverse group of prominent Internet security experts & academics write an open letter to Congress: Stop #CISPA https://eff.org/r.4YP | Apr 24 03:45 | |
| formic_ | they are just involved because of directx | Apr 24 03:45 |
| prurigro | there's no reason to cheat | Apr 24 03:45 |
| formic_ | sure there is | Apr 24 03:45 |
| prurigro | just like glen beck says | Apr 24 03:45 |
| prurigro | follow the money | Apr 24 03:45 |
| formic_ | nvidia and amd cheat against each other all the time | Apr 24 03:45 |
| DiabloD3 | [10:43:09] <XFaCE> DiabloD3: Thanks jebus that Microsoft isn't involved | Apr 24 03:46 |
| DiabloD3 | [10:43:19] <formic_> Microsoft is | Apr 24 03:46 |
| DiabloD3 | somewhere they are | Apr 24 03:46 |
| prurigro | formic_, I mean microsoft has no reason to cheat | Apr 24 03:46 |
| DiabloD3 | like | Apr 24 03:46 |
| DiabloD3 | microsoft doesnt even allow triple buffered d3d | Apr 24 03:46 |
| DiabloD3 | due to how fucktarded the API is designed | Apr 24 03:46 |
| DiabloD3 | even d3d10/11 didnt fix it | Apr 24 03:46 |
| prurigro | lol | Apr 24 03:46 |
| prurigro | microsoft has a habit of building ontop of old technology recursively into the future | Apr 24 03:46 |
| DiabloD3 | d3d10 got rid of it | Apr 24 03:47 |
| prurigro | oh yea? | Apr 24 03:47 |
| XFaCE | prurigro: Microsoft: Let's turn a standard into a trade secret | Apr 24 03:47 |
| DiabloD3 | its mostly the GL3 model now | Apr 24 03:47 |
| DiabloD3 | since thats how the hardware actually works | Apr 24 03:47 |
| prurigro | oh nice | Apr 24 03:47 |
| DiabloD3 | VBO + VBA + cheap instancing, etc | Apr 24 03:47 |
| prurigro | I wonder if osx has helped that at all | Apr 24 03:47 |
| DiabloD3 | no, osx continues to be a pile of shit | Apr 24 03:48 |
| formic_ | as far as I know triple buffer was replaced with other graphical hacks | Apr 24 03:48 |
| prurigro | yea, but it has users and people make graphics cards for it | Apr 24 03:48 |
| DiabloD3 | formic_: but it hasnt been "replaced" | Apr 24 03:48 |
| prurigro | it also doesn't have directx | Apr 24 03:48 |
| DiabloD3 | no one makes graphics cards for OSX | Apr 24 03:48 |
| prurigro | intel, nvidia | Apr 24 03:48 |
| prurigro | not sure who else might | Apr 24 03:49 |
| DiabloD3 | they're not MADE for osx | Apr 24 03:49 |
| prurigro | but that's enough I'd say | Apr 24 03:49 |
| prurigro | yea, but they're made for windows and osx | Apr 24 03:49 |
| prurigro | if they were made for windows | Apr 24 03:49 |
| DiabloD3 | I can plug a radeon into osx, it doesnt make it made for osx. | Apr 24 03:49 |
| formic_ | actually they are made for osx | Apr 24 03:49 |
| prurigro | why would they ad ogl? | Apr 24 03:49 |
| prurigro | add* | Apr 24 03:49 |
| DiabloD3 | because opengl is a multibillion dollar industry standard. | Apr 24 03:49 |
| formic_ | they usually have firmware that restricts it | Apr 24 03:49 |
| prurigro | and why is that? | Apr 24 03:49 |
| prurigro | videogame consoles? | Apr 24 03:50 |
| DiabloD3 | formic_: the firmware is for ppc macs | Apr 24 03:50 |
| formic_ | if I wanted to use my nvidia card on osx, I need to use something called nvinjector | Apr 24 03:50 |
| prurigro | those things don't run windows or osx | Apr 24 03:50 |
| DiabloD3 | formic_: as long as its not the boot card, I dont need it | Apr 24 03:50 |
| XFaCE | formic_: Ah, hackintoshes | Apr 24 03:50 |
| DiabloD3 | formic_: also, no | Apr 24 03:50 |
| XFaCE | DiabloD3: We are refering to intel macs | Apr 24 03:50 |
| DiabloD3 | you need the nvidia injector kext if its an unsupported nvidia chip | Apr 24 03:50 |
| XFaCE | yep | Apr 24 03:50 |
| DiabloD3 | and half the time all it does is just set more pci ids | Apr 24 03:50 |
| formic_ | 9800gtx+ | Apr 24 03:50 |
| DiabloD3 | same way with amd | Apr 24 03:50 |
| DiabloD3 | problem is | Apr 24 03:51 |
| DiabloD3 | osx's driver stack is fucking shit | Apr 24 03:51 |
| DiabloD3 | apple wrote both the gl and cl stacks | Apr 24 03:51 |
| DiabloD3 | no input from amd or nvidia | Apr 24 03:51 |
| DiabloD3 | its slow as fuck and buggy | Apr 24 03:51 |
| prurigro | this is true | Apr 24 03:51 |
| formic_ | isn't it better than running windows? | Apr 24 03:51 |
| prurigro | nope | Apr 24 03:51 |
| XFaCE | That's funny, considering all those things about Apple working closely with hardware manufacturers and how intergrated the hardware is with the software and all that shit | Apr 24 03:51 |
| XFaCE | formic_: I'd say yes | Apr 24 03:52 |
| formic_ | cause at that point 1) its not microsoft and 2) at least its unix | Apr 24 03:52 |
| prurigro | I had more random lockups running hardware accelerated games in osx than I've ever heard of in windows | Apr 24 03:52 |
| prurigro | I hear steam games work well mind you | Apr 24 03:53 |
| formic_ | I just got bored of running blizzard games | Apr 24 03:53 |
| XFaCE | prurigro: Ok, maybe for games, but for 99% of other work, OSX is the better deal | Apr 24 03:53 |
| prurigro | I find osx slower to use than windows, just based on how its laid out, but its definitely more solid and less hack-able | Apr 24 03:54 |
| formic_ | im not sure osx is less hack able | Apr 24 03:54 |
| formic_ | people who want to hack it seem to have no trouble | Apr 24 03:54 |
| XFaCE | prurigro: Look at all the OSX86 work | Apr 24 03:54 |
| XFaCE | prurigro: It shows that despite Apple's attempts at the contrary, OSX is quite hackable | Apr 24 03:55 |
| DiabloD3 | [10:50:10] <formic_> isn't it better than running windows? | Apr 24 03:55 |
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| DiabloD3 | not even fucking close | Apr 24 03:55 |
| XFaCE | Nothing beats GNU+Linux of course (or BSD I suppose) | Apr 24 03:55 |
| DiabloD3 | osx is a nightmare and a failure | Apr 24 03:55 |
| XFaCE | DiabloD3: So is Windows | Apr 24 03:55 |
| DiabloD3 | this is why I use linux | Apr 24 03:55 |
| XFaCE | DiabloD3: Well that's a given :) | Apr 24 03:55 |
| DiabloD3 | XFaCE: at least people can run my software on windows without setting the rig on fire | Apr 24 03:55 |
| XFaCE | DiabloD3: Well, that's the hardware | Apr 24 03:56 |
| scientes | XFaCE, GNU/Linux beats BSD IMHO | Apr 24 03:56 |
| XFaCE | DiabloD3: I'm refering to OSX86 as well in this case | Apr 24 03:56 |
| formic_ | Linux is king no matter what | Apr 24 03:56 |
| XFaCE | scientes: I agree | Apr 24 03:56 |
| scientes | there are tons of features in linux that bsd doesn't have | Apr 24 03:56 |
| prurigro | formic_, anything can be hacked-- but compared to windows? | Apr 24 03:56 |
| XFaCE | scientes: Which is why I mentioned it as an afterthought | Apr 24 03:56 |
| XFaCE | scientes: gotta be fair :) | Apr 24 03:57 |
| scientes | and the GPL is the only license that can work against companies like apple and miscosoft, and the evil way they do business and take away users freedoms | Apr 24 03:57 |
| formic_ | prurigro - the guy who wins the new macbook every year doesnt think its harder than windows | Apr 24 03:57 |
| XFaCE | prurigro: Windows is hackable in the way a puzzle game is | Apr 24 03:57 |
| scientes | formic_, you can just stick linux on it | Apr 24 03:57 |
| prurigro | XFaCE, being able to hack binary code is very different than from the top level of a running system | Apr 24 03:57 |
| scientes | hell, even Linus Torvalds does that | Apr 24 03:57 |
| XFaCE | prurigro: Sure, you can learn how to modify the reigstry to your liking | Apr 24 03:57 |
| formic_ | scientes - microsoft found a loophole against the gpl | Apr 24 03:58 |
| XFaCE | But why the fuck would you want to? | Apr 24 03:58 |
| formic_ | in regards to patents | Apr 24 03:58 |
| formic_ | scientes - http://techrights.org/2012/04/20/man-in-the-middle-swpats/ | Apr 24 03:58 |
| prurigro | formic_, are you saying there are more security holes in osx than windows? | Apr 24 03:58 |
| scientes | formic_, we still have the Open Innovation Network, and i dont trust that supposed "loophole" is as effective as they hope it is | Apr 24 03:58 |
| prurigro | XFaCE, we're talking about intruders, not customization :) | Apr 24 03:58 |
| XFaCE | oh ahh | Apr 24 03:58 |
| XFaCE | Well in that case, Windows is terrible | Apr 24 03:59 |
| XFaCE | but we all know that | Apr 24 03:59 |
| XFaCE | :) | Apr 24 03:59 |
| formic_ | prurigro - there could be, the problem with osx is that nobody cares | Apr 24 03:59 |
| XFaCE | DiabloD3: At least OSX doesn't take up 20 gb at a minimum | Apr 24 03:59 |
| formic_ | whenever I see someone who does care enough, it gets hacked with no trouble | Apr 24 03:59 |
| XFaCE | formic_: Security through obscurity | Apr 24 04:00 |
| prurigro | formic_, they have the advantage of having people who care upstream though | Apr 24 04:00 |
| XFaCE | prurigro: I'm not sure about that | Apr 24 04:00 |
| prurigro | XFaCE, security through obscurity is not security, of course | Apr 24 04:00 |
| DiabloD3 | XFaCE: osx is swapping for people who have 16gb of memory installed and they only have safari open | Apr 24 04:00 |
| prurigro | XFaCE, bsd linux doesn't attempt to be secure? | Apr 24 04:00 |
| formic_ | prurigro - what is upstream for osx, its Apple | Apr 24 04:00 |
| formic_ | they forked freebsd | Apr 24 04:00 |
| XFaCE | prurigro: I mean Apple | Apr 24 04:00 |
| prurigro | XFaCE, I can't say if apple cares about security for sure, although they do run hackathons to attempt to tighten the bolts | Apr 24 04:01 |
| XFaCE | prurigro: The only time I ever saw Apple release quick updates to correct exploitations was to prevent hackintoshes from running newer versions | Apr 24 04:01 |
| prurigro | but its based on a might tighter security model than windows could ever dream of having | Apr 24 04:01 |
| prurigro | XFaCE, when I had a hackintosh, I received security updates every couple of days | Apr 24 04:01 |
| formic_ | osx doesnt even sandbox anything | Apr 24 04:02 |
| XFaCE | "On February 14, 2006, an initial "hack" of Mac OS X v10.4.4 was released on the Internet by a programmer with the pseudonym crg92.[14] Within hours Apple released the 10.4.5 update,[15] which was patched again by the same author within two weeks.[16] On April 3, 2006 Apple released their 10.4.6 update[17] and again patches were released within two weeks that allowed users to install most of this update on non-Apple computers, although this did not in | Apr 24 04:02 |
| XFaCE | clude the updated kernel in 10.4.6. In June, the hackers released the 10.4.7 Mac OS X update for non-Apple computers using the 10.4.4 kernel." | Apr 24 04:02 |
| prurigro | formic_, I believe they're moving into the sandbox direction | Apr 24 04:02 |
| formic_ | yet, you exploit safari on osx and your fucked | Apr 24 04:02 |
| prurigro | you're only as secure as your weakest link | Apr 24 04:02 |
| XFaCE | formic_: It's as bad a situation as IE on Windows? | Apr 24 04:03 |
| formic_ | chromium on linux will detect that you have selinux or apparmor and it becomes sandboxed | Apr 24 04:03 |
| formic_ | its worse | Apr 24 04:03 |
| formic_ | Windows has some form of memory protection | Apr 24 04:03 |
| formic_ | the guy who wins pwn2own every year explained it better | Apr 24 04:04 |
| prurigro | formic_, I thought chromium was always sandboxed? | Apr 24 04:04 |
| prurigro | isn't that why it requires setuid root? | Apr 24 04:04 |
| formic_ | but he basicly said the security of osx was the worst | Apr 24 04:04 |
| formic_ | prurigro - if you dont have selinux or apparmour | Apr 24 04:04 |
| prurigro | ahh, you don't need setuid root if you have either of those? | Apr 24 04:04 |
| formic_ | http://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/LinuxSandboxing | Apr 24 04:05 |
| scientes | <XFaCE> prurigro: The only time I ever saw Apple release quick updates to correct exploitations was to prevent hackintoshes from running newer versions | Apr 24 04:05 |
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| scientes | pretty much sums up apple's concerns | Apr 24 04:05 |
| prurigro | formic_, ahh interesting | Apr 24 04:05 |
| cubezzz | all you need to be secure is a cpu no one else has :) | Apr 24 04:05 |
| cubezzz | that and use some obscure OS no one knows about | Apr 24 04:06 |
| prurigro | scientes, they sent security updates every couple of days | Apr 24 04:06 |
| formic_ | false | Apr 24 04:06 |
| formic_ | false cubezzz | Apr 24 04:06 |
| scientes | prurigro, they do the same thing with iTunes and iPood firmware updates | Apr 24 04:06 |
| scientes | <prurigro> isn't that why it requires setuid root? | Apr 24 04:06 |
| cubezzz | what do you mean false? It would be impossible to hack | Apr 24 04:06 |
| scientes | prurigro, chromium is not suid root | Apr 24 04:07 |
| prurigro | cubezzz, what if they sneak into your house, make an image of your disk? | Apr 24 04:07 |
| formic_ | a skilled social engineer would get you cubezzz | Apr 24 04:07 |
| scientes | thats would be insane | Apr 24 04:07 |
| formic_ | [23:05] <scientes> prurigro, chromium is not suid root | Apr 24 04:07 |
| formic_ | http://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/LinuxSandboxing | Apr 24 04:07 |
| formic_ | This sandbox is currently used in most packages: | Apr 24 04:07 |
| formic_ | http://src.chromium.org/viewvc/chrome/trunk/src/sandbox/linux/suid/ | Apr 24 04:07 |
| cubezzz | bah | Apr 24 04:07 |
| scientes | "Main page: LinuxSUIDSandbox " | Apr 24 04:07 |
| scientes | wtf | Apr 24 04:07 |
| scientes | no, fuck that shit | Apr 24 04:07 |
| cubezzz | highly unlikely | Apr 24 04:07 |
| scientes | i dont use that shit | Apr 24 04:07 |
| scientes | esp as chromium does "native apps" | Apr 24 04:08 |
| formic_ | it also supports everything else | Apr 24 04:08 |
| scientes | basically they are writing their own OS | Apr 24 04:08 |
| formic_ | selinux, apparmour | Apr 24 04:08 |
| scientes | and chromium is a horribly managed package | Apr 24 04:08 |
| formic_ | better than firebloat | Apr 24 04:08 |
| formic_ | qupzilla is dandy though :) | Apr 24 04:08 |
| prurigro | scientes, https://ezcrypt.it/YU4n#xnV25Fv39MDm7JuCv5PcowJk | Apr 24 04:08 |
| scientes | firefox has got tyupe inferance now | Apr 24 04:08 |
| scientes | its pretty spiffy and fast | Apr 24 04:08 |
| formic_ | firefox is a prostitute | Apr 24 04:09 |
| formic_ | selling itself to the highest bidder | Apr 24 04:09 |
| scientes | http://spot.livejournal.com/312320.html | Apr 24 04:09 |
| scientes | formic_, debian makes its own deals | Apr 24 04:09 |
| scientes | as does ubuntu for that matter | Apr 24 04:09 |
| formic_ | tom callaway (spot) wrote, | Apr 24 04:09 |
| formic_ | 2009-11-30 16:00:00 | Apr 24 04:09 |
| formic_ | ****2009**** | Apr 24 04:09 |
| scientes | yeah but chromium is still like that | Apr 24 04:10 |
| formic_ | Spot actually makes the best chromium package for any distro | Apr 24 04:10 |
| scientes | when was the last time you looked at the source | Apr 24 04:10 |
| formic_ | he removes all that crap and uses system libs | Apr 24 04:10 |
| scientes | exactly, you himself am giving it credibility | Apr 24 04:10 |
| cubezzz | I suppose someone could always steal your computer, then they'd have unlimited time to figure it all out | Apr 24 04:10 |
| formic_ | ^^ | Apr 24 04:10 |
| formic_ | or trick you | Apr 24 04:10 |
| scientes | haha cubezzz playing security through obscurity | Apr 24 04:10 |
| prurigro | cubezzz, you could even smash your harddrive into 100 pieces and throw it in the trash | Apr 24 04:10 |
| formic_ | no | Apr 24 04:11 |
| prurigro | if you're being watched closely enough, that data 'can' be obtained | Apr 24 04:11 |
| formic_ | that wont work either | Apr 24 04:11 |
| scientes | Jacob Appelbaum said the feds got thrown for a loop when they didn't find a hard drive in Appelbaums computer | Apr 24 04:11 |
| cubezzz | I still like my custom cpu idea | Apr 24 04:11 |
| prurigro | if people care enough | Apr 24 04:11 |
| formic_ | cubezzz would need thermite | Apr 24 04:11 |
| formic_ | that'll erase a hard drive | Apr 24 04:11 |
| prurigro | encrypted prior, preferably | Apr 24 04:11 |
| prurigro | just in case it doesn't melt it completely | Apr 24 04:11 |
| cubezzz | I don't have any problems with people hacking my server as it is though | Apr 24 04:11 |
| formic_ | I hardly think they'll recover data from molten metal | Apr 24 04:12 |
| cubezzz | it's too boring to bother with | Apr 24 04:12 |
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| scientes | meh, all you have to have is a computer with soldered in ram, MAC, and a long wait before loading a new kernel | Apr 24 04:12 |
| prurigro | cubezzz, then that's your advantage :) | Apr 24 04:12 |
| scientes | so you are not succeptable to cold boot attack | Apr 24 04:12 |
| scientes | and then use full disk encryption | Apr 24 04:12 |
| scientes | preferrably without a regular hard drive | Apr 24 04:12 |
| formic_ | I use full disk encryption, gpg | Apr 24 04:13 |
| cubezzz | you guys are even more paranoid than me :) | Apr 24 04:13 |
| prurigro | scientes, if they don't mind waiting another year or two, qubits will be able to crack that encryption in much better than np-hard time | Apr 24 04:13 |
| formic_ | you're not paranoid cubezzz | Apr 24 04:13 |
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| scientes | and then you have to kill the evil maid attack by putting the kernel and initramfs on the bios EEPROM chip | Apr 24 04:13 |
| cubezzz | I have the plans for an anti-grav machine... brrrzz NO CARRIER | Apr 24 04:14 |
| prurigro | cubezzz, the more you know, the more paranoid you simply are if you care at all about the integrity of your data | Apr 24 04:14 |
| scientes | and then soldering it down so you can tell if someone modified it | Apr 24 04:14 |
| formic_ | cubezzz = Mark Longridge | Apr 24 04:14 |
| scientes | so that the entire storage is encrypted (except that EEPROM) | Apr 24 04:14 |
| formic_ | of Mark Longridge Consulting | Apr 24 04:14 |
| cubezzz | shhhh, don't tell anybody :) | Apr 24 04:14 |
| formic_ | 259 Thorton Rd N | Apr 24 04:14 |
| formic_ | Oshawa ON | Apr 24 04:15 |
| scientes | formic_, wtf? | Apr 24 04:15 |
| formic_ | L1J 6T2 | Apr 24 04:15 |
| cubezzz | it's all from whois anyways | Apr 24 04:15 |
| formic_ | :P | Apr 24 04:15 |
| formic_ | LOL | Apr 24 04:15 |
| formic_ | yeah it is | Apr 24 04:15 |
| cubezzz | like I said, no one cares | Apr 24 04:15 |
| formic_ | nice house :) | Apr 24 04:15 |
| scientes | maxhost.org | Apr 24 04:15 |
| prurigro | cubezzz, wow yea, that is a nice place! good for you man | Apr 24 04:15 |
| cubezzz | what you got me on spy sat too? :) | Apr 24 04:15 |
| prurigro | google is spyware | Apr 24 04:16 |
| formic_ | who plays basketball? | Apr 24 04:16 |
| prurigro | but they're nice about it and share | Apr 24 04:16 |
| formic_ | google streetview | Apr 24 04:16 |
| formic_ | lol | Apr 24 04:16 |
| cubezzz | now I can't use my death ray, thanks a lot guys | Apr 24 04:16 |
| XFaCE | formic_: I kinda do | Apr 24 04:16 |
| formic_ | xface - i was commenting on cubezzz's basket ball net | Apr 24 04:16 |
| scientes | haha, right next to a mormon church | Apr 24 04:16 |
| scientes | haha | Apr 24 04:16 |
| cubezzz | eh? there's no basketball net | Apr 24 04:16 |
| XFaCE | THERE IS NO BATHROOM | Apr 24 04:17 |
| formic_ | cubezzz - do you have that big white house with the basket ball net? | Apr 24 04:17 |
| formic_ | or is it the tiny brown shack next to it? | Apr 24 04:17 |
| XFaCE | formic_: Are you stalking him? | Apr 24 04:17 |
| XFaCE | weirdo | Apr 24 04:17 |
| cubezzz | I have no idea what you're looking at formic_ | Apr 24 04:17 |
| scientes | ^ | Apr 24 04:17 |
| scientes | kinda like schestowitz 's stalkers | Apr 24 04:17 |
| formic_ | google streetview | Apr 24 04:17 |
| formic_ | whois maxhost.org, then plug it into google maps | Apr 24 04:17 |
| XFaCE | scientes: Don't mention Apple or Michael will a'come ranting | Apr 24 04:18 |
| formic_ | doesnt take much effort | Apr 24 04:18 |
| formic_ | its not stalking, its all public info | Apr 24 04:18 |
| *XFaCE looks at previous conversation | Apr 24 04:18 | |
| formic_ | plus | Apr 24 04:18 |
| XFaCE | Ah crap, we're too late | Apr 24 04:18 |
| formic_ | cubezzz said he has nothing to hide | Apr 24 04:18 |
| cubezzz | formic_, haha | Apr 24 04:18 |
| scientes | still live near a mormon church | Apr 24 04:18 |
| cubezzz | google streetview has the wrong house :) | Apr 24 04:18 |
| *XFaCE watches Snit come in his cape and skin tight costume | Apr 24 04:19 | |
| *cubezzz wins again | Apr 24 04:19 | |
| *XFaCE is now known as Snit | Apr 24 04:19 | |
| scientes | you really think cubezzz needs 4 cars? | Apr 24 04:19 |
| formic_ | im pretty sure msb__ lives in public housing/appartment | Apr 24 04:19 |
| cubezzz | formic_, you're undone by computer error :) | Apr 24 04:19 |
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| scientes | what a useless culdesack there | Apr 24 04:20 |
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| formic_ | cubezzz - I could have social engineered you on the phone asking if you had a net first | Apr 24 04:20 |
| scientes | 'it goes right up to connect, but NOOOO you have to drive in circles apparently | Apr 24 04:20 |
| cubezzz | formic_, you can't trust the net though | Apr 24 04:20 |
| scientes | formic_, nah, you would have asked about his car | Apr 24 04:20 |
| cubezzz | is wikipedia 100% correct? :) | Apr 24 04:20 |
| XFaCE | Note to self - don't used a banned username | Apr 24 04:20 |
| formic_ | wikipedia? never | Apr 24 04:20 |
| formic_ | big brother edits wikipedia | Apr 24 04:21 |
| prurigro | cubezzz, http://maps.google.ca/maps?q=259+Thorton+Rd+N+Oshawa+ON+L1J+6T2&layer=c&sll=43.897947,-78.896302&cbp=13,72.28,,0,20.15&cbll=43.897942,-78.896323&hl=en&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=259+Thornton+Rd+N,+Oshawa,+Ontario+L1J+6T3&ll=43.897942,-78.896323&spn=0.006355,0.016512&t=h&z=17&vpsrc=0&iwloc=A&panoid=cJgbu0ewr6KbblkBEcJF-Q | Apr 24 04:21 |
| formic_ | cubezzz - if you get a .ca, you have the legal right to hide your info | Apr 24 04:21 |
| scientes | realize how they superimpose on the part where the car is | Apr 24 04:22 |
| formic_ | cubezzz - I could also drive to oshawa and check it out for myself, instead of trusting streetview lol | Apr 24 04:22 |
| scientes | that takes the pictures | Apr 24 04:22 |
| prurigro | cubezzz, I believe that's the picture of the basketball net formic_ was talking about | Apr 24 04:22 |
| formic_ | then I *would* be a stalker | Apr 24 04:22 |
| formic_ | lol | Apr 24 04:22 |
| scientes | formic_, funny thing is that there is little difference | Apr 24 04:23 |
| scientes | in terms of privacy | Apr 24 04:23 |
| cubezzz | I have 4 cars, 3 with decoys so you never know which car I'm using :) | Apr 24 04:23 |
| scientes | cubezzz, haha | Apr 24 04:24 |
| prurigro | good call! | Apr 24 04:24 |
| prurigro | ... | Apr 24 04:24 |
| prurigro | its the one on the grass, right? right? | Apr 24 04:24 |
| formic_ | apparently | Apr 24 04:24 |
| formic_ | Steve Jobs would change cars every few months because of a loophole that let him drive without plates | Apr 24 04:24 |
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| formic_ | I think that was in the book | Apr 24 04:25 |
| XFaCE | formic_ the bio? | Apr 24 04:25 |
| XFaCE | It's of questionable accuracy | Apr 24 04:25 |
| formic_ | nobody questioned the authors other works | Apr 24 04:26 |
| prurigro | everything is of questionable accuracy :) | Apr 24 04:26 |
| formic_ | he did einsteins | Apr 24 04:26 |
| prurigro | some more than others though | Apr 24 04:26 |
| XFaCE | formic_: yeah they did | Apr 24 04:26 |
| prurigro | cubezzz, does your neighbour across the street have a seriously crazy entrance way, or is that picture just misleading? | Apr 24 04:26 |
| cubezzz | the picture looks distorted | Apr 24 04:27 |
| prurigro | it looks like one of those mansion driveways they have in the movies | Apr 24 04:27 |
| cubezzz | it's not :) | Apr 24 04:27 |
| prurigro | where they twist around a massive thing of lawn, sometimes with a fountain | Apr 24 04:27 |
| prurigro | no? haha | Apr 24 04:27 |
| prurigro | one of my neighbours got this like $40k 15ft fountain on their lawn with giant horses spitting water from their mouths | Apr 24 04:28 |
| prurigro | its ridiculous | Apr 24 04:28 |
| cubezzz | 15 ft sounds kind of over the top yes | Apr 24 04:29 |
| cubezzz | they're are some scary people in the world though | Apr 24 04:30 |
| cubezzz | s/they're/there/ | Apr 24 04:31 |
| prurigro | aww, was gonna find it on streetview, but its too recent | Apr 24 04:33 |
| prurigro | and true! | Apr 24 04:33 |
| scientes | "I like anything that is shiny and made by Apple." | Apr 24 04:33 |
| prurigro | was in quebec on the weekend and ran into a 15ft jesus birth memorial | Apr 24 04:33 |
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| formic_ | lol | Apr 24 04:43 |
| prurigro | we actually stopped to take a picture-- I'll post it when I get it off my friend if I remember | Apr 24 04:43 |
| prurigro | :) | Apr 24 04:43 |
| formic_ | oh that reminds me | Apr 24 04:44 |
| formic_ | its garbage day today, and the bums will be out stealing recycles | Apr 24 04:44 |
| formic_ | gotta take a picture | Apr 24 04:44 |
| prurigro | haha | Apr 24 04:44 |
| prurigro | nice | Apr 24 04:44 |
| prurigro | we should make a blog with pictures of ridiculous scenes in otherwise ordinary places | Apr 24 04:45 |
| formic_ | yes | Apr 24 04:45 |
| prurigro | I have so many from LA | Apr 24 04:45 |
| formic_ | last week I said "smile your on camera" and they were like "We' | Apr 24 04:45 |
| prurigro | lol | Apr 24 04:45 |
| prurigro | we? | Apr 24 04:45 |
| formic_ | "we're not making a mess, you got any empties bra" | Apr 24 04:45 |
| formic_ | yeah two guys on bikes | Apr 24 04:46 |
| formic_ | with flashlights | Apr 24 04:46 |
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| prurigro | I'm gonna assume sebsebseb thinks formic_ is living in sesame street | Apr 24 04:51 |
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| formic_ | lol | Apr 24 05:38 |
| formic_ | can you tell me how to get to seasame street? | Apr 24 05:38 |
| prurigro | snuffulalufagus needs something TO SNUFF!!!! | Apr 24 05:40 |
| formic_ | he was big birds drug hallucination | Apr 24 05:43 |
| DiabloD3 | http://1loop.com/xAOmc | Apr 24 05:54 |
| DiabloD3 | if bill gates actually said this, he is very lucky hes still alive | Apr 24 05:54 |
| scientes | holy shit, watching the apple 2011 keynote makes me want to buy a bomb shelter | Apr 24 06:15 |
| scientes | as they are claiming all these super-critical people are using insecure propritary crap[ | Apr 24 06:15 |
| prurigro | DiabloD3, I've read about him saying that too re: a more legit source | Apr 24 06:17 |
| prurigro | I gather it was among men who were likely still bigoted, but also modern and non-focused on crazy ass fundamentalism | Apr 24 06:17 |
| scientes | DiabloD3, he also said Gates shed some light on his own hard-nosed business philosophy. "Although about 3 million computers get sold every year in China, but people don't pay for the software," he said. "Someday they will, though. As long as they are going to steal it, we want them to steal ours. They'll get sort of addicted, and then we'll somehow figure out how to collect sometime in the next decade." | Apr 24 06:17 |
| scientes | http://news.cnet.com/2100-1023-212942.html | Apr 24 06:17 |
| prurigro | kinda like going to a conference in the southern states and saying they should hire gay people cuz they smart | Apr 24 06:18 |
| DiabloD3 | thats not a bad way of doing business | Apr 24 06:18 |
| DiabloD3 | this is also why linux is a nuclear weapon | Apr 24 06:18 |
| scientes | except linux doesn't cost money | Apr 24 06:18 |
| scientes | and its good for you | Apr 24 06:18 |
| scientes | it respects your freedom | Apr 24 06:19 |
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| scientes | (if the GPL is enforced) | Apr 24 06:19 |
| DiabloD3 | you missed the point. | Apr 24 06:22 |
| DiabloD3 | if you're pirating shit, whichever the best wins. | Apr 24 06:23 |
| scientes | no, because you cant fixed problems in propritary software | Apr 24 06:23 |
| scientes | even if you didn't pay for it | Apr 24 06:23 |
| DiabloD3 | you missed the point again | Apr 24 06:23 |
| DiabloD3 | _whichever the best wins_ | Apr 24 06:23 |
| DiabloD3 | cost is no longer an issue. | Apr 24 06:23 |
| scientes | its not about "best" | Apr 24 06:24 |
| DiabloD3 | its very much about best | Apr 24 06:24 |
| DiabloD3 | I think you're VERY much missing the point | Apr 24 06:24 |
| scientes | its about mindshare | Apr 24 06:24 |
| DiabloD3 | people dont use linux because its free | Apr 24 06:24 |
| DiabloD3 | if you're ALREADY pirating shit | Apr 24 06:24 |
| scientes | well obviously | Apr 24 06:24 |
| scientes | its the best | Apr 24 06:24 |
| scientes | because people keep developing on it | Apr 24 06:24 |
| DiabloD3 | then linux slips in the door and kills windows. | Apr 24 06:24 |
| scientes | and they develop on it cause they can solve their problems | Apr 24 06:24 |
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| DiabloD3 | so bill gates' strategy backfires | Apr 24 06:25 |
| scientes | but it ALSO has more mindshare | Apr 24 06:25 |
| scientes | because it is the best | Apr 24 06:25 |
| scientes | but yeah i see your point now | Apr 24 06:25 |
| scientes | they know they cant spread without charging | Apr 24 06:25 |
| scientes | that is the whole point of "embrace, extend, extinguish | Apr 24 06:25 |
| scientes | thats why RMS was right all along | Apr 24 06:25 |
| scientes | and the internet made the model which made it happen in a way noone can compete with | Apr 24 06:26 |
| scientes | NO ONE can compete with | Apr 24 06:26 |
| MinceR | prurigro: there were TSRs in DOS | Apr 24 06:27 |
| scientes | TSR? | Apr 24 06:28 |
| MinceR | Terminate and Stay Resident | Apr 24 06:28 |
| MinceR | a program could hook some interrupts, then terminate and leave some or all of its memory allocated (along with its code) | Apr 24 06:28 |
| MinceR | in hypeOS, "multitasking" is done by an application using some special API to ask the OS to run part of its code in the background | Apr 24 06:28 |
| MinceR | so if hypeOS is "multitasking" then so is m$-DOS and this makes the term meaningless | Apr 24 06:30 |
| MinceR | also, what's next? are co-routines "multitasking" too? is an event loop "multitasking"? | Apr 24 06:30 |
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| prurigro | MinceR, it might be a matter of semantics, but I was taught that didn't exactly imply 'multitasking' as we've loosely defined it | Apr 24 06:32 |
| MinceR | i wouldn't call TSRs "multitasking", but i also don't call what crApple tries to sell as "multitasking" in hypeOS that either | Apr 24 06:35 |
| MinceR | sure, the code they ripped off FreeBSD and Mach could do multitasking, but that doesn't help the application programmers or the users, does it? | Apr 24 06:35 |
| MinceR | even the kernel in PalmOS 5 could technically support multitasking, but it wasn't available to applications | Apr 24 06:35 |
| MinceR | accordingly, PalmSource did not advertise that OS as "multitasking" because they aren't frauds like crApple is | Apr 24 06:36 |
| XFaCE | MinceR, reminds me of the quasi-multtasking during the system 5-6 years | Apr 24 06:37 |
| scientes | android has a very interesting concept of multi-tasking | Apr 24 06:38 |
| scientes | apps are never closed, when they loose focus they have an oppurtunity to save state, but they can keep running | Apr 24 06:39 |
| scientes | however when ram runs low they are vulnerable to being suddenly killed | Apr 24 06:39 |
| scientes | and with -9, not SIGTERM | Apr 24 06:39 |
| prurigro | MinceR, the difference is that iOS is capable of multitasking, it just is crippled most of the time-- but some apps like tomtom and tunein radio do continue to run indefinitely, and jailbroken apps are capable of the same | Apr 24 06:40 |
| prurigro | there's also a full multitask manager program via jailbreak, but that kills your batteries 'actually' having programs all running | Apr 24 06:40 |
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| MinceR | prurigro: and since it's crippled, it doesn't have that feature | Apr 24 07:01 |
| MinceR | jailbreaking is not an officially allowed mode of use, it's yet another excuse for them to not provide warranty, etc. | Apr 24 07:01 |
| scientes | http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200809/errord/bouml_rootmode.png | Apr 24 07:01 |
| MinceR | crApple will squirm their way out of warranty even if you buy extra warranty | Apr 24 07:02 |
| prurigro | MinceR, which feature? | Apr 24 07:02 |
| MinceR | prurigro: multitasking | Apr 24 07:02 |
| scientes | <MinceR> prurigro: and since it's crippled, it doesn't have that feature | Apr 24 07:02 |
| prurigro | oh, it does though | Apr 24 07:02 |
| scientes | indeed | Apr 24 07:02 |
| scientes | prurigro, if you cant use it, what good is it? | Apr 24 07:02 |
| prurigro | I can use it | Apr 24 07:02 |
| MinceR | that's like saying hypeOS can sideload apps | Apr 24 07:02 |
| MinceR | because you can jailbreak it and hack the app onto it | Apr 24 07:03 |
| scientes | and if they are trying to make you not use it, and you do anyways, (and its not open source), then who would be foolish to try? | Apr 24 07:03 |
| scientes | (on a side note, who would be foolish enough to develop a program on top of a propritary software stack that has a history of fucking over its cusomers) | Apr 24 07:03 |
| prurigro | the jailbreak stuff is mostly open source | Apr 24 07:03 |
| scientes | no company has giving its loyal customer as much shit as apple | Apr 24 07:03 |
| scientes | they have repeatedly left their customers in the gutter | Apr 24 07:04 |
| scientes | and said "by a new one or tough luck" | Apr 24 07:04 |
| prurigro | when the iphone came out, it was the only really viable option for a smartphone | Apr 24 07:04 |
| prurigro | developers liked it, but were unhappy with its limitations, so they cracked it open | Apr 24 07:04 |
| scientes | bullshit | Apr 24 07:04 |
| scientes | android android android is clearly better | Apr 24 07:04 |
| prurigro | now that android is finally starting to catch up, development for the iphone jailbreak community is waning | Apr 24 07:05 |
| prurigro | state your case sir | Apr 24 07:05 |
| scientes | http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200809/errord/keypermission.jpg | Apr 24 07:05 |
| MinceR | 080241 < prurigro> when the iphone came out, it was the only really viable option for a smartphone | Apr 24 07:05 |
| MinceR | bullshit | Apr 24 07:05 |
| scientes | prurigro, there is a project to run android on the iPhone | Apr 24 07:05 |
| MinceR | even winblows mobile 5 was a more viable option | Apr 24 07:05 |
| scientes | its one part of replicant | Apr 24 07:05 |
| MinceR | and so was symbian and palmos | Apr 24 07:06 |
| MinceR | (and they still are, except perhaps for kin7) | Apr 24 07:06 |
| prurigro | we're talking about the iphone 3g here, when android had just been announced and blackberries were the only other option on the market | Apr 24 07:06 |
| scientes | meh, it might be out od date, but wasn't palmos made for devices without a mmu? | Apr 24 07:06 |
| MinceR | you obviously were unaware of what was on the market | Apr 24 07:06 |
| prurigro | then android came out and while its made strides since, it was not a solid product in the beginning | Apr 24 07:06 |
| MinceR | what | Apr 24 07:06 |
| MinceR | what's next, claiming that crApple invented the smartphone? | Apr 24 07:07 |
| prurigro | not at all | Apr 24 07:07 |
| scientes | i read a thing on uclibc that was talking about palmos being a mmu-less OS | Apr 24 07:07 |
| scientes | which certainly is not much of a multitasking environment | Apr 24 07:07 |
| MinceR | my Qtek 9100 came out before the hypePhone and was vastly more capable | Apr 24 07:07 |
| MinceR | and was worthy of the term "smartphone", which the hypePhone still is unworthy of | Apr 24 07:07 |
| prurigro | lol | Apr 24 07:08 |
| MinceR | (in my book, no sideloading apps means it's not a smartphone) | Apr 24 07:08 |
| *scientes wants a GNU/Linux environment and capable tracking device that can also make calls | Apr 24 07:08 | |
| scientes | well, actually i just want something that has wifi | Apr 24 07:08 |
| scientes | i guess that is called a tablet... | Apr 24 07:08 |
| scientes | like the spark | Apr 24 07:08 |
| MinceR | well, they call the Archos 43 Internet Tablet a tablet -- a couple years ago they would have called it a PDA :) | Apr 24 07:08 |
| prurigro | there were alternative options, but nothing with the amount of attention the iphone was getting from the development end of things-- I'm talking about how we currently see smart phones, not the previous iteration in their evolution | Apr 24 07:08 |
| prurigro | you suddenly had a phone that could continually be improved | Apr 24 07:09 |
| MinceR | well, i don't see smartphones as "featurephone with touchscreen" | Apr 24 07:09 |
| MinceR | i don't think the hypePhone could be continually improved | Apr 24 07:09 |
| prurigro | because people were making things for it-- it was a great direction for things to go, and the only problem was that it was locked down | Apr 24 07:09 |
| MinceR | it could be thrown out and replaced with a phone that works | Apr 24 07:09 |
| prurigro | lol | Apr 24 07:09 |
| scientes | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FJHYqE0RDg | Apr 24 07:10 |
| prurigro | I know you hate the iphone MinceR-- I'm just explaining why people would develop ontop of a closed stack | Apr 24 07:10 |
| scientes | i like how sergey knows how to pronounce the term "GNU" | Apr 24 07:10 |
| MinceR | and smartphones always had the capability to have apps developed for them | Apr 24 07:10 |
| prurigro | at least from my point of view | Apr 24 07:10 |
| MinceR | that's why they're smartphones | Apr 24 07:10 |
| prurigro | yes, and yet there was little development for most due to the small market each would have up till then | Apr 24 07:10 |
| MinceR | there was enough development for palmos | Apr 24 07:11 |
| TakinOver | Even most "featurephones" were app-capable. The apps were crappy Java ME things, but they were there. | Apr 24 07:11 |
| prurigro | palmos quickly caught up, but when the iphone first came out it was a few companies that pumped out applications en mass | Apr 24 07:12 |
| MinceR | caught up? | Apr 24 07:12 |
| MinceR | it was around before blow decided to "invent" the "smartphone" | Apr 24 07:12 |
| prurigro | TakinOver, yea, exactly-- many apps doesn't necessarily translate to something people want to buy for those many apps | Apr 24 07:12 |
| prurigro | caught up in quality | Apr 24 07:12 |
| prurigro | I mean | Apr 24 07:12 |
| MinceR | when did they ruin it? | Apr 24 07:13 |
| prurigro | ruin it? | Apr 24 07:13 |
| MinceR | that's the only way palmos could "catch up in quality" to hypeOS | Apr 24 07:13 |
| MinceR | since it's still far more capable | Apr 24 07:13 |
| prurigro | haha | Apr 24 07:13 |
| MinceR | neither can multitask but palmos can at least sideload apps | Apr 24 07:14 |
| prurigro | potential is good, but I mean, you call the iphone 'hype phone' | Apr 24 07:14 |
| MinceR | and it could always copy and paste | Apr 24 07:14 |
| MinceR | and it always had reliable alarms | Apr 24 07:14 |
| prurigro | you call it that because its true-- good or bad, it was purchased based on hype for the most part | Apr 24 07:14 |
| MinceR | and palmos-based phones could keep in touch with the base station | Apr 24 07:14 |
| MinceR | there was no "you're holding it wrong" | Apr 24 07:14 |
| prurigro | do you disagree? | Apr 24 07:15 |
| MinceR | in part, i do | Apr 24 07:15 |
| MinceR | it was fully bad and yet it was purchased on hype | Apr 24 07:15 |
| MinceR | that's why i call it the hypePhone | Apr 24 07:15 |
| prurigro | large numbers of people purchased the iphone without doing much more research than wanting the sexy looking toy apple had created | Apr 24 07:15 |
| MinceR | it's less capable than most phones around before it | Apr 24 07:15 |
| prurigro | do you disagree with my last statement? | Apr 24 07:16 |
| MinceR | i agree with that one | Apr 24 07:16 |
| prurigro | ok | Apr 24 07:16 |
| prurigro | so | Apr 24 07:16 |
| prurigro | the reason we're talking about all this is because either you or scientes had wondered why good developers would bother forming the jailbreak community when it was based on apple's locked down and closed stack | Apr 24 07:16 |
| scientes | it doensn't matter if you can jailbreak it, cause you still are locked to propritary software | Apr 24 07:17 |
| scientes | and there is no reason to use propritary software stacks any more | Apr 24 07:17 |
| scientes | because free alternatives clearly exist | Apr 24 07:17 |
| MinceR | there's no point in jailbreaking hypeOS when you can just buy a real smartphone | Apr 24 07:17 |
| prurigro | and my answer is that, because so many people now had iphones, there was suddenly a market to make higher quality applications (and I used to have a palm pilot, so I feel qualified in comparing) | Apr 24 07:17 |
| scientes | ^^^ | Apr 24 07:17 |
| MinceR | and develop, distribute and sideload applications for it without having to jailbreak or root it | Apr 24 07:18 |
| scientes | well certainly hardware is important | Apr 24 07:18 |
| prurigro | the good applications made the iphone a good phone, despite its own limitations in other directions | Apr 24 07:18 |
| MinceR | you could do this even before the hypePhone appeared | Apr 24 07:18 |
| TakinOver | In the absence of a totally FaiF device (including OS and firmware), jailbreaking / rooting is a valuable activitiy. We should encourage it. | Apr 24 07:18 |
| scientes | you have to have hardware that is fast and capable and spacious | Apr 24 07:18 |
| scientes | but Linux is clearly the right software stack | Apr 24 07:18 |
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| MinceR | the hypePhone changed nothing except made touchscreens more popular among the unwashed masses | Apr 24 07:18 |
| scientes | and using a linux MAC instead of a sandbox inside a sandbox like android is | Apr 24 07:19 |
| scientes | (now which one is up to debate...) | Apr 24 07:19 |
| MinceR | prurigro: if the hypePhone is a "good phone", why does wozo carry a real phone beside it? | Apr 24 07:19 |
| scientes | and hopefully wayland DRI and DRM will bring some cohesion to display again | Apr 24 07:19 |
| MinceR | scientes: unfortunately, MeeGo/Harmattan is even more locked down than Android | Apr 24 07:19 |
| MinceR | it's more difficult to truly root | Apr 24 07:19 |
| prurigro | MinceR, we're talking about what the iphone 3g was at the start of the jailbreak era | Apr 24 07:19 |
| prurigro | nowdays there are better phones | Apr 24 07:20 |
| MinceR | (not just you have root but can't do anything with it) | Apr 24 07:20 |
| scientes | MinceR, no native apps? yuck | Apr 24 07:20 |
| scientes | we clearly need rootable smartphones | Apr 24 07:20 |
| MinceR | scientes: it does have native apps | Apr 24 07:20 |
| MinceR | but if you replace a library, Aegis bricks the phone | Apr 24 07:20 |
| MinceR | until it's fixed | Apr 24 07:20 |
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| MinceR | well, google's official developer devices are officially rootable... | Apr 24 07:20 |
| TakinOver | We clearly need phones that come with a sudo-like utility, so users do not need to root their phones. | Apr 24 07:20 |
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| scientes | MinceR, I'm actually OK with no-native-app-platforms, as long as, (and only if) you cant install any OS to the device | Apr 24 07:21 |
| MinceR | 081825 < prurigro> MinceR, we're talking about what the iphone 3g was at the start of the jailbreak era | Apr 24 07:21 |
| prurigro | and my next phone will not be an iphone-- but I'm not upset at my purchase either, because at the time it was made the alternatives were not up to par both application-wise and os/phone-wise (android and iphone were the only two with a decent sum of quality apps, and the android was not good until recently) | Apr 24 07:21 |
| MinceR | it was nothing | Apr 24 07:21 |
| MinceR | it was just another failed attempt to catch up with real smartphones | Apr 24 07:21 |
| TakinOver | If I pay for it, it should be mine to control, not some vendor or cell company controlling the phone I'm buying. | Apr 24 07:21 |
| scientes | but the fact is that all these devices have the same ARM ABI (armv7 basically ATM) | Apr 24 07:21 |
| scientes | + Linux | Apr 24 07:21 |
| scientes | so no-native-apps is annoying | Apr 24 07:21 |
| scientes | Boot-2-gecko will be no-native-apps | Apr 24 07:22 |
| prurigro | scientes, are you talking about android's java? | Apr 24 07:22 |
| scientes | prurigro, yeah its a sandbox inside of a sandbox | Apr 24 07:22 |
| MinceR | android apps can contain native code, though | Apr 24 07:22 |
| scientes | they do do some sensible things, like each app is its own user | Apr 24 07:22 |
| scientes | and that is the security model that makes sense, and allow native code without comprimise | Apr 24 07:23 |
| scientes | you can define any model to get to use data, and that is a area of research that needs alot of work | Apr 24 07:23 |
| scientes | basically, we don't yet have a good security model for app/user seperation, | Apr 24 07:23 |
| prurigro | I don't like that applications can share data to the extent they can on android | Apr 24 07:24 |
| prurigro | on that note | Apr 24 07:24 |
| scientes | but the Linux strong multi-user security is a good starting point | Apr 24 07:24 |
| prurigro | yea | Apr 24 07:24 |
| prurigro | apple does essentially the same thing, but also sandboxes the app's data as well | Apr 24 07:24 |
| scientes | (although capabilities has some problems like CAP_SYS_ADMIN) | Apr 24 07:24 |
| MinceR | if you don't need applications to share data, J2ME is just the thing for you ;) | Apr 24 07:24 |
| MinceR | even J2ME is more powerful than hypeOS | Apr 24 07:24 |
| scientes | which needs to be segmented apart a little bit | Apr 24 07:24 |
| prurigro | MinceR, you're very unspecific in your criticisms | Apr 24 07:25 |
| MinceR | what info do you need? | Apr 24 07:26 |
| prurigro | I find often enough, when you get down to the details, a lot of your feelings are quite debatable or no longer the case (thinking back to your issues with gnome 3), and others are actually good points-- but you end up saying things in the vein of "apple can't multitask", when it in fact can | Apr 24 07:27 |
| prurigro | if you got at the aspect of apple multitasking, in this example, that you disagree with their implementation of, then that could be a topic to discuss rather than disagree with | Apr 24 07:27 |
| prurigro | (since I can't agree with you saying iOS can't multitask, when this isn't technically true) | Apr 24 07:28 |
| MinceR | for practical purposes, saying that hypeOS can multitask makes the term "multitask" meaningless | Apr 24 07:28 |
| scientes | I still think a file browser needs to be a privlidge-granting application | Apr 24 07:29 |
| prurigro | MinceR, it can though | Apr 24 07:29 |
| scientes | but yeah smartphone is really the one place where we have a CHANCE to really revolutionaze the security model of GNU/Linux | Apr 24 07:30 |
| prurigro | I can start wget --recursive up | Apr 24 07:30 |
| prurigro | close the terminal | Apr 24 07:30 |
| scientes | because people dont expect the same apps | Apr 24 07:30 |
| prurigro | open up digitally imported and play some music | Apr 24 07:30 |
| prurigro | close that and continue listening while I surf hacker news | Apr 24 07:30 |
| scientes | and KDE and GNOME and ppl need to take that oppurtunity | Apr 24 07:30 |
| prurigro | switch back to the terminal to check on the status of wget | Apr 24 07:30 |
| scientes | to make a high-quality security model that allows native code | Apr 24 07:30 |
| MinceR | in that case, i've always used multitasking OS-es on PC | Apr 24 07:30 |
| MinceR | starting with m$-DOS | Apr 24 07:30 |
| scientes | and informs users right, and has some sort of web-of-trust | Apr 24 07:31 |
| prurigro | MinceR, could dos do what I just described? | Apr 24 07:31 |
| scientes | and where, also apps can be "promoted" | Apr 24 07:31 |
| scientes | that is something nobody is doing, that i think could be cool | Apr 24 07:31 |
| prurigro | scientes, it feels like smartphone apps are more secure, but also less so at the same time due to their API layers | Apr 24 07:31 |
| MinceR | prurigro: depends on where wget is running | Apr 24 07:31 |
| prurigro | in the terminal | Apr 24 07:31 |
| prurigro | which is currently not in focus | Apr 24 07:31 |
| prurigro | because a web browser is running | Apr 24 07:31 |
| MinceR | though i don't think that either of wget or ssh existed for dos | Apr 24 07:32 |
| prurigro | and there's music being played by a third app | Apr 24 07:32 |
| scientes | prurigro, privacy on phones is abysmal | Apr 24 07:32 |
| MinceR | then again, i didn't even have internet access back then | Apr 24 07:32 |
| MinceR | i could play music in the background though | Apr 24 07:32 |
| prurigro | no? | Apr 24 07:32 |
| prurigro | ok | Apr 24 07:32 |
| scientes | far woorse than what is *possible* (but not default) on desktop | Apr 24 07:32 |
| prurigro | have windows 3.1 going and then run a dos game while keeping your documents up in focus | Apr 24 07:32 |
| prurigro | oh, lets throw in irc running in the background on my phone too, say | Apr 24 07:33 |
| prurigro | notifying me whenever it receives PMs | Apr 24 07:33 |
| prurigro | how is that not multitasking? | Apr 24 07:33 |
| MinceR | prurigro: tell crApple that when your hypePhone overheats and explodes | Apr 24 07:34 |
| MinceR | see what they'll tell you about warranty. | Apr 24 07:34 |
| prurigro | I'll be happy to tell you why the default multitasking on the iphone is crippled without jailbreaking, but we're simply debating whether this is even multitasking at all right now | Apr 24 07:34 |
| MinceR | here's the key: jailbreaking is unsupported | Apr 24 07:34 |
| MinceR | also, check this out >> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/DESQview | Apr 24 07:36 |
| prurigro | all those things I just stated as running in my scenario are available without jailbreaking | Apr 24 07:36 |
| prurigro | except the terminal | Apr 24 07:36 |
| MinceR | so, you can play music in the background while browsing the web? DOS can do that. | Apr 24 07:36 |
| MinceR | and so can PalmOS 5. | Apr 24 07:36 |
| prurigro | we're not comparing the iphone to palm, we're asking if it 'can' multitask | Apr 24 07:37 |
| scientes | you know, i just realized something | Apr 24 07:37 |
| MinceR | passing notifications from a specially-written IRC client is also possible | Apr 24 07:37 |
| MinceR | since that can be done via a TSR | Apr 24 07:37 |
| scientes | All the highest quality software exist for GNU/Linux | Apr 24 07:37 |
| MinceR | i've had TSRs that could be called up and could display stuff over whatever's running | Apr 24 07:37 |
| scientes | therefore: | Apr 24 07:37 |
| prurigro | the irc client does work that way when its not running | Apr 24 07:37 |
| prurigro | via push notifications from my server | Apr 24 07:37 |
| scientes | and that isn't going to change | Apr 24 07:38 |
| MinceR | so it even needs special support from the server | Apr 24 07:38 |
| MinceR | that doesn't help your case either | Apr 24 07:38 |
| prurigro | but when it is running its collecting everything | Apr 24 07:38 |
| scientes | most really good server software ONLY exists for GNU/Linux (and other POSIX) | Apr 24 07:38 |
| scientes | therefore: #1 anything that doesn't use the FHS will not be part of this ecosystem | Apr 24 07:38 |
| prurigro | MinceR, lol, it only requires special server support (which the android simply does not have btw) when its not running | Apr 24 07:38 |
| MinceR | prurigro: what's so funny about that? | Apr 24 07:38 |
| prurigro | when it is running, its simply connected and collecting/parsing text | Apr 24 07:39 |
| scientes | and there fore: #2 any platform that is not GNU/Linux with FHS will be fundamentally a "client" app | Apr 24 07:39 |
| prurigro | because you misunderstood whta I was saying | Apr 24 07:39 |
| MinceR | if it requires special server support then it's not an IRC client in the strict sense | Apr 24 07:39 |
| scientes | while the server runs on GNU/Linux | Apr 24 07:39 |
| scientes | so android and the like promote the client/server model, which i am fundamentally against | Apr 24 07:39 |
| prurigro | MinceR, it only requires special server support to notify you when the application is not running-- try that with any OS | Apr 24 07:39 |
| scientes | it leads to systems where the server is EXCLUSIVELY GNU/Linux, and the client is EXCLUSIVELY android/iOS | Apr 24 07:40 |
| MinceR | if i'm allowed to add a GNU/Linux server then DOS can do even more than hypeOS can :> | Apr 24 07:40 |
| scientes | MinceR, exactly | Apr 24 07:40 |
| prurigro | scientes, yea, I dislike that about android as well, but its the best we got at the moment I guess | Apr 24 07:40 |
| MinceR | writing the TSR that catches a notification over the network and pops up some text shouldn't be too difficult | Apr 24 07:40 |
| prurigro | not exactly | Apr 24 07:40 |
| prurigro | the server wasn't part of my example | Apr 24 07:40 |
| scientes | prurigro, you actually can install a linux chroot, and then do that at the same time | Apr 24 07:40 |
| MinceR | your example can't work without the server | Apr 24 07:40 |
| prurigro | scientes, I have archlinux running on my droid :) | Apr 24 07:40 |
| prurigro | MinceR, it can | Apr 24 07:40 |
| prurigro | without a server at all | Apr 24 07:41 |
| scientes | prurigro, but that android is STILL not available on the desktop is scary to me | Apr 24 07:41 |
| prurigro | if the irc client is running | Apr 24 07:41 |
| MinceR | prurigro: then it won't be able to do what you just claimed it can do | Apr 24 07:41 |
| scientes | I though alot of people saw that as a high priority for a long time | Apr 24 07:41 |
| MinceR | also, it needed extra hacking which multitasking shouldn't require | Apr 24 07:41 |
| scientes | sure, it wouldn't run native apps on x86, but only on arm | Apr 24 07:41 |
| prurigro | it will parse the channels I'm connected to and notify me of mentions or PMs without a server | Apr 24 07:41 |
| prurigro | if I want to exit the application, so its closed | Apr 24 07:41 |
| scientes | but i still cant even install dalvik in debian | Apr 24 07:41 |
| XFaCE | scientes: android is available on the desktop | Apr 24 07:41 |
| scientes | and its open source! | Apr 24 07:41 |
| prurigro | and still be online | Apr 24 07:41 |
| scientes | XFaCE, where? | Apr 24 07:41 |
| prurigro | then I need a bouncer | Apr 24 07:41 |
| MinceR | if i can run loadlin from dos, does that make dos a preemptive multitasking os? | Apr 24 07:42 |
| prurigro | which can send notifications to the client | Apr 24 07:42 |
| scientes | XFaCE, but not integrated into the DE, its only a SDK | Apr 24 07:42 |
| MinceR | there's android-x86, afaik | Apr 24 07:42 |
| XFaCE | !google android x86 | Apr 24 07:42 |
| XFaCE | yep | Apr 24 07:42 |
| MinceR | though the best idea i've seen so far was to run it in a vm | Apr 24 07:42 |
| prurigro | scientes, http://archlinuxarm.org/ | Apr 24 07:42 |
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| scientes | meh debian is really the strongest on ARM | Apr 24 07:42 |
| prurigro | MinceR, are you just trolling me? :) | Apr 24 07:42 |
| scientes | well maybe even ubuntu | Apr 24 07:43 |
| MinceR | nope | Apr 24 07:43 |
| scientes | they have been pushing the armhf port hard | Apr 24 07:43 |
| MinceR | prurigro: i'm trying to make you understand my poiny | Apr 24 07:43 |
| prurigro | MinceR, you keep completely misunderstanding what I mean | Apr 24 07:43 |
| MinceR | s/.$/t/ | Apr 24 07:43 |
| prurigro | the bouncer is only required if I still want messages when the IRC client is closed | Apr 24 07:43 |
| MinceR | you keep misunderstanding what multitasking means :> | Apr 24 07:43 |
| MinceR | 084219 < prurigro> the bouncer is only required if I still want messages when the IRC client is closed | Apr 24 07:44 |
| MinceR | which was my point! | Apr 24 07:44 |
| prurigro | ok | Apr 24 07:44 |
| MinceR | you need extra software on a server somewhere to help hypeOS emulate multitasking behavior | Apr 24 07:44 |
| MinceR | if it was a multitasking OS, this wouldn't be necessary | Apr 24 07:44 |
| prurigro | how would ANY OS notify you about messages via IRC when your IRC client is closed? | Apr 24 07:44 |
| MinceR | since you wouldn't need to close the client to access other apps | Apr 24 07:44 |
| prurigro | you don't need to close the client to access other apps | Apr 24 07:44 |
| prurigro | it continues to run | Apr 24 07:44 |
| prurigro | in the background | Apr 24 07:45 |
| MinceR | so, it has special code to allow part of it to run in the background | Apr 24 07:45 |
| prurigro | if I want to save batteries, I'll close it | Apr 24 07:45 |
| XFaCE | prurigro, It's like saying that Windows is unix-compliant because you can install a unix addon | Apr 24 07:45 |
| MinceR | guess what TSR does in m$-DOS | Apr 24 07:45 |
| XFaCE | or cygwin | Apr 24 07:45 |
| prurigro | XFaCE, we're talking about whether iOS can multitask | Apr 24 07:45 |
| MinceR | no, its like saying that windows is unix-compliant because you can run loadlin from windows | Apr 24 07:45 |
| MinceR | (remember, he had to jailbreak that paperweight to do most of this) | Apr 24 07:45 |
| XFaCE | MinceR, Err, same point | Apr 24 07:45 |
| prurigro | if an IRC client can stay connected and continue receive messages when its not in focus | Apr 24 07:46 |
| prurigro | while music is being played and IMs are collected in my instant messaging program | Apr 24 07:46 |
| prurigro | and I'm using a web browser | Apr 24 07:46 |
| prurigro | with all those in the background | Apr 24 07:46 |
| XFaCE | prurigro, I was making a metaphor | Apr 24 07:46 |
| prurigro | how is that not multitasking? | Apr 24 07:46 |
| prurigro | XFaCE, yea, but I disagree with the comparison | Apr 24 07:47 |
| MinceR | i've explained several times | Apr 24 07:47 |
| prurigro | and no, I didn't have to jailbreak to do any of what I just stated | Apr 24 07:47 |
| prurigro | that's all available out of the box | Apr 24 07:47 |
| MinceR | http://www.macworld.com/article/1164616/how_ios_multitasking_really_works.html | Apr 24 07:47 |
| MinceR | you can't run wget if you didn't jailbreak | Apr 24 07:47 |
| scientes | is android compiled with gcc? | Apr 24 07:47 |
| MinceR | chances are you can't even run a terminal | Apr 24 07:48 |
| MinceR | scientes: yes | Apr 24 07:48 |
| prurigro | yes | Apr 24 07:48 |
| XFaCE | scientes, yes | Apr 24 07:48 |
| prurigro | background | Apr 24 07:48 |
| XFaCE | YESSS!!! MOTHER FUCKER | Apr 24 07:48 |
| prurigro | is multitasking | Apr 24 07:48 |
| MinceR | i've already built a binary for android | Apr 24 07:48 |
| MinceR | prurigro: then m$-DOS is a multitasking OS. | Apr 24 07:48 |
| scientes | i know google is internally compiling with llvm, and return errors from llvm | Apr 24 07:48 |
| prurigro | not all applications background, since not all applications need to | Apr 24 07:48 |
| scientes | *compiling with gcc | Apr 24 07:48 |
| scientes | and returning errors from llvm | Apr 24 07:48 |
| MinceR | prurigro: in multitasking, there's no special "background" state. | Apr 24 07:48 |
| prurigro | MinceR, what's your definition of multitasking? | Apr 24 07:48 |
| prurigro | there's no 'special state' in the iphone either, or any more than there is in android | Apr 24 07:49 |
| prurigro | they define it here because there are alternatives | Apr 24 07:49 |
| MinceR | multitasking is where no extra effort is required for programs (including applications) to be run in a time-sharing fashion | Apr 24 07:49 |
| MinceR | prurigro: yes there is. | Apr 24 07:49 |
| prurigro | background means still running as though its in the foreground, but not in the foreground | Apr 24 07:49 |
| MinceR | no | Apr 24 07:49 |
| prurigro | yes | Apr 24 07:49 |
| MinceR | background means it's using a special API call to run part of it in the background, like a TSR | Apr 24 07:49 |
| prurigro | one of the jailbreak tweaks I swear by changes the multitasking bar so that it 'only' displays applications actually minimized | Apr 24 07:50 |
| prurigro | there's an api for what to do when 'minimizing' | Apr 24 07:50 |
| prurigro | close it? pause it? | Apr 24 07:50 |
| prurigro | background says 'continue running' | Apr 24 07:51 |
| prurigro | you 'can' have parts of the application pause while others continue using that API | Apr 24 07:51 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS#Multitasking | Apr 24 07:51 |
| MinceR | "Starting with iOS 4, on 3rd-generation and newer iOS devices, multitasking is supported through seven background APIs:" | Apr 24 07:51 |
| scientes | google had no trouble making a new GNU tool that was a developer-only tool | Apr 24 07:51 |
| scientes | (gold linker) | Apr 24 07:51 |
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| prurigro | MinceR, applications that actually multitask must use task completion if they're doing it legitimately | Apr 24 07:53 |
| prurigro | if I had to guess | Apr 24 07:53 |
| prurigro | they'd say the task needs to complete and then run indefinitely | Apr 24 07:53 |
| iophk | Google could possibly single handedly end SW patents, if that were the direction they lobbied. | Apr 24 07:53 |
| iophk | http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/internet/google-spends-a-record-5-03-million-on-lobbying/articleshow/12848653.cms | Apr 24 07:53 |
| MinceR | prurigro: which means they need to make special efforts to run in the background | Apr 24 07:53 |
| MinceR | prurigro: which ms-dos could already do | Apr 24 07:54 |
| MinceR | and pretty much anything on PC can do it | Apr 24 07:54 |
| prurigro | in that respect, the jailbroken multitasking would be more 'pure', but I don't see how the 'OS isn't multitasking' simply because you need to jump through a hoop to do the same thing linux windows and bsd do | Apr 24 07:54 |
| prurigro | which this is | Apr 24 07:54 |
| MinceR | for example, if you redirect the timer interrupt, your code will be run regularly | Apr 24 07:54 |
| prurigro | ms-dos programs had to program in their own multtasking management | Apr 24 07:54 |
| prurigro | to timeshare | Apr 24 07:54 |
| MinceR | no, it's not just "jump through a hoop" | Apr 24 07:54 |
| prurigro | a multitasking OS is one with that idea cooked into the kernel | Apr 24 07:54 |
| prurigro | simple as | Apr 24 07:54 |
| MinceR | it's "design for backgrounding and jump through hoops all the time" | Apr 24 07:54 |
| MinceR | prurigro: having that idea cooked into the kernel is perfectly useless of applications don't get to use it | Apr 24 07:55 |
| MinceR | s/of/if/ | Apr 24 07:55 |
| prurigro | it makes sense that apple would have set it up like this to prevent applications from sucking up batteries unless they did so knowingly | Apr 24 07:55 |
| MinceR | then it's just extra bloat in the kernel | Apr 24 07:55 |
| MinceR | yes, i know their excuses | Apr 24 07:55 |
| prurigro | applications do get to use it though | Apr 24 07:55 |
| MinceR | i've heard their bullshit far more times than i ever cared | Apr 24 07:55 |
| prurigro | they just have to decide to do it | Apr 24 07:55 |
| MinceR | as they tried to turn reality out of its ass trying to somehow make hypePhones seem like smartphones | Apr 24 07:56 |
| MinceR | even though they're just particularly crap featurephones with a touchscreen | Apr 24 07:56 |
| MinceR | in a multitasking OS, applications don't "decide" to be run in a timesharing fashion, they just are run that way | Apr 24 07:57 |
| prurigro | I like that they moved the market to heat sensitive touchscreens away from touch sensitive | Apr 24 07:57 |
| MinceR | i've never even seen a heat-sensitive touchscreen | Apr 24 07:57 |
| MinceR | all my PDAs and smartphones had resistive touchscreens | Apr 24 07:58 |
| prurigro | I've always said, since I got the iphone I have, that the iphone started well and will be eventually overshadowed by android | Apr 24 07:58 |
| prurigro | and currently android is finally on par imo with ICS | Apr 24 07:58 |
| MinceR | also, crApple didn't invent capacitive touchscreens, they just happened to become available when they came up with their crappy featurephone | Apr 24 07:58 |
| XFaCE | prurigro: System 6 had multitasking too, but it sucked | Apr 24 07:58 |
| XFaCE | Even then though, applications didn't have to be "designed" to use it | Apr 24 07:58 |
| MinceR | prurigro: i think you're suffering from cognitive dissonance due to paying a lot of money for a hypePhone. | Apr 24 07:59 |
| XFaCE | It just was | Apr 24 07:59 |
| prurigro | MinceR, oh true eh-- they are resistive aren't they? I used to think it was heat way back, learned otherwise later and it slipped my mind now :) | Apr 24 07:59 |
| MinceR | there are IR touchscreens but they're only used in ebook readers in mainstream tech nowadays, afaik | Apr 24 07:59 |
| prurigro | the advantage android has here is that people want new phones every couple of years | Apr 24 07:59 |
| prurigro | or rather, are forced into buying new ones practically | Apr 24 08:00 |
| MinceR | resistive touchscreens are pressure sensitive, they need to be pressed (even with a plastic stylus) | Apr 24 08:00 |
| prurigro | there's more to it than that isn't there? | Apr 24 08:00 |
| MinceR | well, a bit | Apr 24 08:00 |
| prurigro | some things seem to be able to trigger em and others not | Apr 24 08:00 |
| prurigro | I thought it was like a charge or something? | Apr 24 08:00 |
| MinceR | no, it just needs pressure (and maybe on a small enough area) | Apr 24 08:00 |
| MinceR | https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Resistive_touchscreen | Apr 24 08:01 |
| MinceR | i think you mean capacitive touchscreens, which rely on a change in capacitance, iirc | Apr 24 08:01 |
| MinceR | https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Capacitive_touchscreen#Capacitive | Apr 24 08:01 |
| MinceR | for that you'll need a finger or a conductive(?) stylus | Apr 24 08:01 |
| prurigro | oh whoops-- kk, hold up | Apr 24 08:01 |
| prurigro | I'm getting all jumbled up here | Apr 24 08:02 |
| MinceR | also, got to go to work | Apr 24 08:02 |
| prurigro | 3ds + old palm pilots = resistive, and iphone + android = capacative? | Apr 24 08:02 |
| prurigro | and word, kk | Apr 24 08:02 |
| prurigro | man, you must wake up early | Apr 24 08:02 |
| prurigro | 9:01 for you eh? | Apr 24 08:03 |
| MinceR | dunno about the 3ds | Apr 24 08:03 |
| MinceR | yup | Apr 24 08:03 |
| MinceR | well, there are android devices with resistive touchscreens | Apr 24 08:03 |
| prurigro | ahh likely so eh | Apr 24 08:03 |
| MinceR | like my Archos 43 Internet Tablet | Apr 24 08:03 |
| prurigro | the majority are capacitive tho? | Apr 24 08:03 |
| MinceR | nowadays probably | Apr 24 08:03 |
| prurigro | word yea | Apr 24 08:03 |
| prurigro | so to reiterate my statment before you go then | Apr 24 08:03 |
| prurigro | I liked resistive, but I like capacitive much more :) | Apr 24 08:03 |
| prurigro | and on that note-- have a good day at work! | Apr 24 08:04 |
| MinceR | thanks | Apr 24 08:04 |
| MinceR | i _think_ i will like capacitive more, but i haven't used in all use cases i'm going to have, yet | Apr 24 08:04 |
| prurigro | if you don't have one, grab a compatible stylus | Apr 24 08:05 |
| prurigro | they're pretty cheap and while not as accurate as resistive ones, are still useful | Apr 24 08:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Hope they will bring this to europe too. http://ur1.ca/92p91 | Apr 24 08:26 | |
| scientes | why do widget toolkits rev so fast? | Apr 24 08:28 |
| scientes | there are some apis that just arn't very stable | Apr 24 08:28 |
| prurigro | which toolkit you looking at specifically? | Apr 24 08:37 |
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| schestowitz | hi kgs | Apr 24 08:49 |
| kgs | Hello. | Apr 24 08:49 |
| prurigro | guten tag | Apr 24 08:49 |
| schestowitz | my day off | Apr 24 08:50 |
| schestowitz | I'll post lots in TR today | Apr 24 08:50 |
| schestowitz | I also put a banner in our subreddit | Apr 24 08:50 |
| schestowitz | no flair yet | Apr 24 08:50 |
| prurigro | oh fun =D | Apr 24 08:51 |
| prurigro | let us know when its up | Apr 24 08:51 |
| schestowitz | what, the flair? | Apr 24 08:51 |
| schestowitz | I'll publish the 5 posts I wrote in the gym yesterday... then check is there's any major news, wich I doubt | Apr 24 08:53 |
| schestowitz | iophk: Google lobbying news is relevant to the next post | Apr 24 08:53 |
| schestowitz | They ned to lobby for common good, like vs swpats | Apr 24 08:53 |
| iophk | It would be cheaper for Google to lobby out sw patents rather than going at then one at a time. | Apr 24 08:54 |
| prurigro | schestowitz, yea-- or whatever else you come up with | Apr 24 09:10 |
| schestowitz | iophk: http://techrights.org/2012/04/24/google-on-swpats-and-fog-computing/ | Apr 24 09:11 |
| schestowitz | iophk: the engs wants it, not the manager | Apr 24 09:11 |
| iophk | How would defensive use only help against trolls? | Apr 24 09:14 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Google Does Not Help Put an End to Software Patents, Just Android Cases http://ur1.ca/92piw #google #swpats | Apr 24 09:14 | |
| schestowitz | hmm. I will work today after all.. overtime | Apr 24 09:15 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] indeed | Apr 24 09:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] keep trying... | Apr 24 09:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Thinking Green in Georgia - http://bit.ly/K4KjMD shame on #georgia for this incredibly short-sighted move #pollution | Apr 24 09:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] UK Government revives plan for greater data-sharing between agencies - http://bit.ly/IorBD3 this is not good #privacy | Apr 24 09:24 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft Propaganda Pays (Article by Formic) http://ur1.ca/92ppd #blackduck #microsoft | Apr 24 09:28 | |
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| schestowitz | omg, they'll go after "snit"/Michael | Apr 24 09:30 |
| schestowitz | original headline was "US to Target New-Tech Rights Abusers" | Apr 24 09:30 |
| schestowitz | It came under "techrights" search | Apr 24 09:30 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] MT @EDRI_org MEPs lining up to ask for correction of #ACTA from COM. But text is final - if it needs correction, has to be rejected>>doh | Apr 24 09:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Sina Cloud Computing Joins #OpenStack - http://bit.ly/I5I6Tb potentially important #china | Apr 24 09:33 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Sina Cloud Computing Joins OpenStack - ChinaTechNews.com - The Technology Source for the Latest Chinese News on Internet, Computers, Digital, Science, Electronics, Law, Security, Software, Web 2.0, Telecom, and Wireless Industries .::. Size~: 65.4 KB | Apr 24 09:33 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Germany, GEMA, YouTube: "You couldn’t find a more perfect example of the copyright-vs-technology dilemma, and the ca... http://b1t.it/bmqs | Apr 24 09:36 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Jan Wildeboer - Google+ - Germany, GEMA, YouTube: "You couldn’t find a more perfect… .::. Size~: 136.33 KB | Apr 24 09:36 |
| iophk1 | Notice Meego is ignored by the WSJ: | Apr 24 09:38 |
| iophk1 | http://blogs.wsj.com/tech-europe/2012/04/24/should-nokia-have-killed-symbian/ | Apr 24 09:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Should Nokia have Killed Symbian? - Tech Europe - WSJ .::. Size~: 66.3 KB | Apr 24 09:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @jerezim: EU Commission invites #EuroParl to wait for ECJ decision (1-2 years) before taking a decision on !ACTA | Apr 24 09:41 | |
| iophk1 | http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2012/04/paging-truth-police-one-last-time-the-reality-of-nokia-when-criminal-ceo-elop-took-charge-as-ceo-and.html | Apr 24 09:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Communities Dominate Brands: Paging Truth Police: One Last Time - the Reality of Nokia when CEO Elop Took Charge as CEO, and What Was Not Broken .::. Size~: 150.4 KB | Apr 24 09:41 |
| iophk1 | "the facts are, that on five of the six inhabited continents, Symbian was the bestselling smartphone OS." | Apr 24 09:45 |
| iophk1 | — before Elop | Apr 24 09:45 |
| MinceR | the elopocalypse | Apr 24 09:45 |
| iophk1 | Tomi Ahonen calls it 'the Elop Effect' | Apr 24 09:47 |
| iophk1 | It's a bit similar to the Osbourne Effect | Apr 24 09:47 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] TDF Releases Getting Started Guide for #LibreOffice 3.4 - http://bit.ly/JtwGMO useful #ebook #free | Apr 24 09:53 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Artist Gwenn Seemel: #Copyright is about fear, not money. - http://bit.ly/I6if0e interesting thought | Apr 24 09:56 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Artist Gwenn Seemel: Copyright is about fear, not money. | QuestionCopyright.org .::. Size~: 19.78 KB | Apr 24 09:56 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Opensource adoption on the rise in the French government - http://bit.ly/JSywSb both candidates fans, Hollande seems more so #fr | Apr 24 09:59 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Open source adoption on the rise in the French government - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 40.51 KB | Apr 24 09:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Jimmy Wales to Hollywood: You’re Doomed (And Not Because of Piracy) - http://bit.ly/Ikj28b surprisingly provocative | Apr 24 10:03 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Jimmy Wales to Hollywood: You're Doomed (And Not Because of Piracy) | Epicenter | Wired.com .::. Size~: 56.91 KB | Apr 24 10:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] RT @StopActaNow: THE EUROPEAN DATA PROTECTION SUPERVISOR see a LOT of problems with !ACTA t.co/0g6FoZtx But #euparl and #eucom don't care. | Apr 24 10:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @EDRi_org: MEP reading our !ACTA booklet on front page of #EUParl site http://t.co/nHtfWnGV Download in 15 languages http://t.co/aKNgdX0c | Apr 24 10:21 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Rumor: #Baidu and Other Search Engines Will Have to Stop Indexing #Weibo Content - http://bit.ly/I7GHPs that would be pretty heavy #china | Apr 24 10:29 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Rumor: Baidu and Other Search Engines Will Have to Stop Indexing Weibo Content | Tech in Asia .::. Size~: 62.49 KB | Apr 24 10:29 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[serk01/@serk01] καλημερα | Apr 24 10:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Valve Tries To Charge People Based On How Likable They Are: Trolls Pay Full Price http://goo.gl/Iqn1m | Apr 24 10:38 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Valve Tries To Charge People Based On How Likable They Are: Trolls Pay Full Price | Techdirt .::. Size~: 83.86 KB | Apr 24 10:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Government revives plan for greater data-sharing between agencies http://gu.com/p/3749e another day, another hostile zombie bill returns | Apr 24 10:41 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Government revives plan for greater data-sharing between agencies | Politics | The Guardian .::. Size~: 158.1 KB | Apr 24 10:41 |
| iophk1 | "Hollande indicated that [open source sofware] would be very much a priority in his administration. Hollande wants to change the role of students from being consumers of information technology to becoming creators who are able to write and "decipher" source code." | Apr 24 10:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Deny the British empire's crimes? No, we ignore them http://gu.com/p/374bx | Apr 24 10:43 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Deny the British empire's crimes? No, we ignore them | George Monbiot | Comment is free | The Guardian .::. Size~: 267.32 KB | Apr 24 10:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Twitter reaction to #ChedEvans case shows rape culture is alive and kicking http://gu.com/p/374xc | Apr 24 10:45 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Twitter reaction to Ched Evans case shows rape culture is alive and kicking | Amanda Bancroft | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 239.79 KB | Apr 24 10:45 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] "What I have begun to realize is that Red Hat understands the future of IT better than most of its competitors." Yep. ... http://b1t.it/bmrX | Apr 24 10:48 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] For those of us British with a long enough memory. I did not understand how a person could buy the Sunday Sport. Ditto anything from Apple. | Apr 24 10:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Other professionals don't work for free. So why are writers expected to? http://gu.com/p/3744q #InterwebsCluelessAlert | Apr 24 10:51 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Other professionals don't work for free. So why are writers expected to? | Jonathan Tasini | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 272.71 KB | Apr 24 10:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Watching the Leveson enquiry. | Apr 24 10:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] listening to #JamesMurdoch on #5live - he's a slimy muthafucka, somehow he seems right at home with the politicians | Apr 24 10:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Emily Longley trial: Aspiring model, 17, 'was strangled' http://goo.gl/yL0V5 | Apr 24 10:56 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: BBC News - Emily Longley trial: Aspiring model, 17, 'was strangled' .::. Size~: 69.75 KB | Apr 24 10:56 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @jerezim: WARNING! The pro-!ACTA are gaining ground in the #EuroParl: JURI http://ur1.ca/92qbk, ITRE... Urgent citizen reaction needed! | Apr 24 11:00 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Talk about on the spot #crossexamination | Apr 24 11:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] who needs the "in person" questioning, let's assume anything bad #Murdoch "can't recall" while everything good "definitely happened" #NI | Apr 24 11:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] imagine if all #PremLeague game tickets were sold like #London2012 - bid for tickets & no idea what games or teams you'll get !football | Apr 24 11:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] "we were hoping for ManUtd v ManCity but got Stoke v Blackburn, and our party was spread over 3 stands, all sitting alone" | Apr 24 11:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @jerezim: EU Privacy Watchdog Slams !ACTA. Again. http://ur1.ca/92qh8 < DECISIVE argument to convince MEPs to reject ACTA! !copyfraud | Apr 24 11:20 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=eRDp8ZNX1Zc | Apr 24 11:31 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Robots all over the world: join actuators! #lovetrain | Apr 24 11:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] "[ACTA] does not lay out safeguards such as the respect of the rights to privacy and data protection, effective judici... http://b1t.it/bmti | Apr 24 11:56 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Jan Wildeboer - Google+ - "[ACTA] does not lay out safeguards such as the respect of… .::. Size~: 143.27 KB | Apr 24 11:56 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] BTW - all of you that go crazy over playing Tetris on a building in the US - we had that in Europe already 10(!) years... http://b1t.it/bmto | Apr 24 12:01 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Jan Wildeboer - Google+ - BTW - all of you that go crazy over playing Tetris on a… .::. Size~: 139.5 KB | Apr 24 12:01 |
| DaemonFC | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federalist_No._10 | Apr 24 12:05 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR might enjoy that :) | Apr 24 12:05 |
| iophk1 | http://www.tgdaily.com/business-and-law-features/62932-google-more-than-doubles-lobbying-spend | Apr 24 12:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Google more than doubles lobbying spend | TG Daily .::. Size~: 38.89 KB | Apr 24 12:19 |
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| DaemonFC | buying a seat at the table | Apr 24 12:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Oz mining firm's bid to quash parody backfires - http://bit.ly/IbSOdi as it always does (v @Asher_Wolf ) #streisandeffect | Apr 24 12:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Nice to hear you here. | Apr 24 12:26 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Oz mining firm's bid to quash parody backfires - storyful .::. Size~: 31.38 KB | Apr 24 12:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] The fact that "trending" shows Justin Bieber, Kim Kardashian and Lady Gaga most of the time indicates that Googleplus ... http://b1t.it/bmtU | Apr 24 12:31 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Jan Wildeboer - Google+ - The fact that "trending" shows Justin Bieber, Kim… .::. Size~: 154.4 KB | Apr 24 12:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Just submitted this feedback to Google, if you think the same, please do also - or make #myTrending well trending ;-... http://b1t.it/bmt4 | Apr 24 12:41 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Jan Wildeboer - Google+ - Just submitted this feedback to Google, if you think the… .::. Size~: 138.09 KB | Apr 24 12:41 |
| DaemonFC | https://launchpad.net/~scopes-packagers/+archive/adult-scopes | Apr 24 12:46 |
| DaemonFC | lmao | Apr 24 12:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Scopes Packagers builds - Adult : “Scopes Packagers” team .::. Size~: 22.1 KB | Apr 24 12:46 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Australian Police accused of software piracy - http://bit.ly/I62Udn another reason to use #opensource (v @michael_nielsen) #au | Apr 24 12:58 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: NSW Police in legal battle with software giant - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) .::. Size~: 49 KB | Apr 24 12:58 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] Bundes CIO "unentbehrlich, dass Anwender die alleinige Oberhoheit über ihre Systeme und über ihre Daten behalten.“ http://ur1.ca/92rir !gnu | Apr 24 13:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Another nice twist in the #megauploa saga. Extradition is only possible when the crime leads to 5+ years in prison u... http://b1t.it/bmup | Apr 24 13:06 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @glynmoody Australian Police accused of software piracy - http://bit.ly/I62Udn another reason to use #opensource (v @michael_nielsen) #au | Apr 24 13:13 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: NSW Police in legal battle with software giant - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) .::. Size~: 48.75 KB | Apr 24 13:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @jwildeboer Another nice twist in the #megauploa saga. Extradition is only possible when the crime leads to 5+ years in prison u... ... | Apr 24 13:15 | |
| DaemonFC | Opera finally added a pref to make plug-ins on-demand | Apr 24 13:17 |
| DaemonFC | that should help get rid of unwanted Flash applets | Apr 24 13:17 |
| DaemonFC | they sent me an email letting me know that ticket I filed on it a couple years ago is now closed fixed | Apr 24 13:18 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Another nice twist in the #megaupload saga. Extradition is only possible when the crime leads to 5+ years in prison... http://b1t.it/bmup | Apr 24 13:41 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Jan Wildeboer - Google+ - Another nice twist in the #megaupload saga. Extradition is… .::. Size~: 142.48 KB | Apr 24 13:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[serk01/@serk01] "Raoul Vaneigem – Δεν Ψηφίζω - http://identi.ca/url/65791624" - http://identi.ca/url/69170363 | Apr 24 13:45 | |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Raoul Vaneigem – Δεν Ψηφίζω - Eagainst.com .::. Size~: 72.73 KB | Apr 24 13:45 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eY64P27khzk&feature=digest_mon | Apr 24 13:45 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] My OSCON talk was accepted. Note I have no job, so it can't be corporate bias :-) | Apr 24 13:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] NASA UPGRADES 2012 SOLAR STORM WARNING - YouTube http://goo.gl/bLzY0 | Apr 24 13:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] MPs blame strategy for blunders http://goo.gl/fZNJm and you thought we elected them to make things better for us | Apr 24 13:50 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: NASA UPGRADES 2012 SOLAR STORM WARNING - YouTube .::. Size~: 151.03 KB | Apr 24 13:50 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] (HD) Nasa Warns Of Super Solar Storm 2012 - 2013 & Andromeda - Doc - YouTube http://goo.gl/e04d3 | Apr 24 13:53 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: (HD) Nasa Warns Of Super Solar Storm 2012 - 2013 & Andromeda - Doc - YouTube .::. Size~: 153.22 KB | Apr 24 13:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Michio Kaku warning for 2012-2013 - YouTube http://goo.gl/HFDPu | Apr 24 13:55 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Internet pornography: do you favour the #DailyMail's opt-in initiative? http://gu.com/p/374ht wait until THEIR site is classed as "porn" | Apr 24 14:00 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Internet pornography: do you favour an opt-in initiative? | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 226 KB | Apr 24 14:00 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] then they'll be screaming from the rooftops at the nanny state restricting peoples rights to see topless women, bikini shots, upskirt shots | Apr 24 14:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] over and above the idea that the idea isn't practically possible without HUGE false positives & being wide open to abuse | Apr 24 14:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] #NASA - Getting Ready for the Next Big Solar Storm http://goo.gl/SxVQj #preppers (2011) | Apr 24 14:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] NASA - Giant Prominence Erupts http://goo.gl/ykPwe | Apr 24 14:08 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] 4/21/2012 -- Solar poles to flip next month (1yr early) -- TWO north poles = Quadri-polar - YouTube http://goo.gl/11kwp | Apr 24 14:11 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: 4/21/2012 -- Solar poles to flip next month (1yr early) -- TWO north poles = Quadri-polar - YouTube .::. Size~: 162.16 KB | Apr 24 14:11 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Press Release: Polar Field Reversal as observed with Hinode 2012/4/19 http://goo.gl/r0jO4 | Apr 24 14:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Solar poles to become quadrupolar in May (The Daily Yomiuri) http://goo.gl/sf3uG | Apr 24 14:13 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Beer with 57.5% alcohol. Only 199 EUR a pop. #notkidding http://ur1.ca/92s24 cc +Fabian Scherschel | Apr 24 14:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Open source teaches people how to fish - @storming | http://red.ht/JCg2JV | Apr 24 14:18 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] FAA Releases Lists of Drone Certificates—Many Questions Left Unanswered | EFF http://goo.gl/vcWmS #usa #drones #policestate | Apr 24 14:21 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Repo Man’s Alex Cox: Move Sites Overseas To Kill Copyright Complaints http://goo.gl/hrFlD | Apr 24 14:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Open source teaches people how to fish http://goo.gl/3VtWS exactly | Apr 24 14:26 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #ACTA 'highly intrusive' to individuals, says European Data Protection Supervisor http://goo.gl/iMihG | Apr 24 14:28 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: ACTA 'highly intrusive' to individuals, says European Data Protection Supervisor | The Verge .::. Size~: 85.63 KB | Apr 24 14:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Nokia share price hits 15-year low as Fitch downgrades it to 'junk' status http://goo.gl/PjU7P ah the river of gold flowing from #Microsoft | Apr 24 14:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Microsoft certainly do have the midas touch when it comes to partners; no matter how bad a company is doing, they make it much worse | Apr 24 14:30 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Nokia share price hits 15-year low as Fitch downgrades it to 'junk' status | The Verge .::. Size~: 84.56 KB | Apr 24 14:30 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] still, assuming cron works in #Microsoft's acquisition dept, a prewritten email offer to buy #Nokia at rock bottom prices will be sent soon | Apr 24 14:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] after that, the real value to #Microsoft will be the #Nokia #patents it can add to the #extortion pile | Apr 24 14:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] “Why I break #DRM on e-books”: A publishing exec speaks out http://goo.gl/gsRG0 | Apr 24 14:36 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Jak KRRiTV "złośliwie" odmówiła Lux Veritatis koncesji na Multipleksie: bit.ly/I6ici7 | Apr 24 14:56 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1121 | Apr 24 14:59 |
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| DaemonFC | he claims that they won't be switching from Upstart and claims that systemd has a lack of direction, "tries to be everything", and has almost no automated regression tests | Apr 24 15:00 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Hacking Society - http://bit.ly/HYOyKM interesting bunch here; wonder what will come out of it? | Apr 24 15:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] "It could place providers in the position of requiring warrants for all law enforcement requests." OH NOES!!1! bit.ly/I9Dehz #usa | Apr 24 15:00 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] Much of the policy that's hostile to digital liberty in the UK seems to arise from the civil service rather than the government... | Apr 24 15:01 | |
| iophk | http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-04-24/nokia-debt-rating-cut-to-junk-at-fitch.html | Apr 24 15:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Nokia Debt Rating Cut to Junk at Fitch - Bloomberg .::. Size~: 178.69 KB | Apr 24 15:05 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Shuttleworth: Quality has a new name http://ur1.ca/92u5d | Apr 24 15:06 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] RT @pinheirokde I'm gonna chage the world one pixel at a time :) | Apr 24 15:08 | |
| iophk | https://secure.marketwatch.com/story/notification-under-chapter-2-section-10-of-the-finnish-securities-market-act-holdings-of-jpmorgan-chase-co-in-nokia-corporation-exceeded-5-2012-04-24-930430?reflink=MW_news_stmp | Apr 24 15:09 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] OK. | Apr 24 15:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Apache Cassandra v1.1 released http://ur1.ca/92uox | Apr 24 15:16 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] One week in May: Munich -> Dubai -> Bahrain -> Saudi-Arabia -> Riyadh -> Dubai -> Munich. That's going to be fun. | Apr 24 15:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] The power of the 1 and how open innovation changed global health | http://red.ht/I2H73T #opensource | Apr 24 15:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] Interview mit mir: "Digitale Rechteminderung #DRM und 'das gute Recht'" http://ur1.ca/92v0q !fs !gnu !fsfe Bitte um #Feedback | Apr 24 15:30 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] I thought the name.surname form was a widely-ignored error. But RFC5321 says I'm wrong. | Apr 24 15:35 | |
| DaemonFC | There's a new Flashback variant | Apr 24 15:36 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.intego.com/mac-security-blog/new-flashback-variant-continues-java-attack-installs-without-password/ | Apr 24 15:36 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Harvard Library releases 12 million catalog records into the public domain using #CC0: http://hvrd.me/JlShEE | Apr 24 15:36 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @opensourceway The power of the 1 and how open innovation changed global health | http://red.ht/I2H73T #opensource | Apr 24 15:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @wtebbens How #LibreOffice Writer Tops MS Word: 12 Features - http://ur1.ca/8ze3d !fta #freesoftware | Apr 24 15:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @m4nima1 ACTA 'highly intrusive' to individuals, says European Data Protection Supervisor - http://b1t.it/bmxR | Apr 24 15:41 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @opensourceway Open source teaches people how to fish - @storming | http://red.ht/JCg2JV | Apr 24 15:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻@kyrah404 I've said it before and I'll say it again. All mobile providers are sharks. I mean that figuratively; no disrespect to sharks... | Apr 24 15:43 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @lxoliva @harishpillay “it's hard to understand sth when you think your paycheck depends on the opposite” Red Hat doesn't depend on ... | Apr 24 15:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @charlesschulz On standards, open standards, and Her Majesty's Government: http://ur1.ca/92r0h #openstandards #FOSS #Libreoffice #TDF | Apr 24 15:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @jwildeboer "[ACTA] does not lay out safeguards such as the respect of the rights to privacy and data protection, effective judici... ... | Apr 24 15:46 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Harvard Library releases 12 million catalog records into the public domain using #CC0: http://hvrd.me/JlShEE | Apr 24 15:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: You're not alone RT @InesMergel: Arrived in Berlin for #estaat12 - now MUST THINK & SPEAK GERMAN - worried http://p.ost.im/p/egvgEL | Apr 24 15:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: RT @NeelieKroesEU: Cyber threats affect everyone. My speech on Eur strategy for Internet security: http://t http://p.ost.im/p/egxx2q | Apr 24 15:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: RT @NeelieKroesEU: Here's me talking to national parliamentarians about need to invest in digital future: h http://p.ost.im/p/egqdV3 | Apr 24 15:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: "#Opendata-Strategie der EU-Kommission" http://t.co/6WNOB3Av ist mein Vortrag beim #estaat12 http://t.co/jW http://p.ost.im/p/eg3QRQ | Apr 24 15:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: "#Opendata-Strategie der EU-Kommission" http://t.co/6WNOB3Av: mein Vortrag beim #estaat12 (http://t.co/kE1x http://p.ost.im/p/egdm5B | Apr 24 15:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: RT @GKempinger: #estaat12 Eibl, Piswanger stellen cooperation OGD Österreich u. http://t.co/1PnOESVh vor. http://p.ost.im/p/eg2BgT | Apr 24 15:53 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Fitch corta rating da Nokia para lixo - Jornal de negócios http://goo.gl/GXzXk #msnokia #crashandburn | Apr 24 15:56 | |
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| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Apr 24 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | So after an hour of trying to get Ubuntu 12.04 to bring up my TV over HDMI, I find out that someone applied a crackpot patch to the X server to try to load the FGLRX extension even if it isn't there. Over DVI and VGA, this seems to just blank the monitor for 5 seconds, then the server gives up and realizes that it can't use the extension, logs an error, and then "unloads" the extension that isn't there and loads the open source radeon ddx instea | Apr 24 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | d. WTF!? These people are freaking nuts. | Apr 24 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | Like · · 2 seconds ago · | Apr 24 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | jono, hi :) | Apr 24 16:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] 200 Ways To Revive A Hard Drive | HBCD Fan & Discussion Platform http://goo.gl/JfWFK #tips #hardware | Apr 24 16:03 | |
| jono | hey DaemonFC :-) | Apr 24 16:03 |
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| jono | cant chat, in a meeting | Apr 24 16:03 |
| DaemonFC | :( Go nuts! | Apr 24 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | seems to work for everyone else there | Apr 24 16:04 |
| MinceR | lol | Apr 24 16:05 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The Serious Business of #OpenSource, Inc. - http://bit.ly/JlWisT if freesw had to submit a 10-K... | Apr 24 16:11 | |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, Killing off support for hardware they're still selling is a new low for AMD | Apr 24 16:12 |
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| DaemonFC | June's Catalyst bundle release will kill off anything older than the RadeonHD 5000 series, and even a few low end parts that claim to be 5000 series even though they're really based on the 4000 series | Apr 24 16:12 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-04-24/james-murdoch-blames-subordinates-for-hacking-scandal | Apr 24 16:13 |
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| DaemonFC | That's what subordinates are for | Apr 24 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | "I am shocked, SHOCKED! To find out that they were doing all these things that only seem to have benefited me!" | Apr 24 16:14 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 24 16:15 |
| formic_ | 11:10 < DaemonFC> MinceR, Killing off support for hardware they're still | Apr 24 16:16 |
| formic_ | selling is a new low for AMD | Apr 24 16:16 |
| formic_ | <sarcasm> I'm shocked </sarcasm> | Apr 24 16:16 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 24 16:17 |
| DaemonFC | I understood why they did it for old Radeons with no atombios that already had a perfectly good open source driver | Apr 24 16:17 |
| formic_ | AMD is going bankrupt | Apr 24 16:17 |
| formic_ | how else are they going to extract funds | Apr 24 16:17 |
| MinceR | are they? | Apr 24 16:17 |
| formic_ | yeah | Apr 24 16:17 |
| MinceR | i didn't follow the news | Apr 24 16:17 |
| MinceR | how bad is it? | Apr 24 16:17 |
| DaemonFC | well, that money Intel paid them to stop complaining about Intel's rigged compilers that sabotaged binary code on other x86 CPUs should have kept them going for a while. | Apr 24 16:18 |
| formic_ | probably not literal bankrupcy | Apr 24 16:18 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 24 16:18 |
| formic_ | but they are getting pwned | Apr 24 16:18 |
| MinceR | by intel? | Apr 24 16:18 |
| formic_ | intel, smart phones, tablets | Apr 24 16:18 |
| formic_ | arm shit | Apr 24 16:18 |
| MinceR | arm isn't shit | Apr 24 16:19 |
| MinceR | doesn't amd have an arm offering? | Apr 24 16:19 |
| formic_ | not shit | Apr 24 16:19 |
| formic_ | I use the word shit as a synonym to 'stuff' | Apr 24 16:19 |
| MinceR | i know intel was stupid enough to sell theirs off | Apr 24 16:19 |
| MinceR | got it :) | Apr 24 16:19 |
| MinceR | (just as it was about to take off) | Apr 24 16:19 |
| formic_ | intel makes better processors, and because amd is so bad intel can charge whatever they want | Apr 24 16:19 |
| formic_ | when intel starts lowering their prices, you'll know AMD is starting to compete | Apr 24 16:20 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 24 16:20 |
| DaemonFC | well, Intel's integrated GPUs are terrible | Apr 24 16:20 |
| formic_ | we have i5 laptops that are crushing bulldozers and phenom2's | Apr 24 16:20 |
| DaemonFC | especially the ones from before 2009 | Apr 24 16:20 |
| formic_ | i5 is midrange intel | Apr 24 16:20 |
| DaemonFC | Opera has the ones pre-2009 blacklisted for unusable 3d acceleration | Apr 24 16:21 |
| DaemonFC | (too slow, missing GLSL support) | Apr 24 16:21 |
| formic_ | but the top end intel cpu is $2000, and the top end amd is $200-500 | Apr 24 16:21 |
| formic_ | I'd rather have intel but i'm cheap and i'm not spending several grand more for something faster | Apr 24 16:21 |
| DaemonFC | at least the newer ones are capable of GLSL 1.40 | Apr 24 16:22 |
| DaemonFC | (as I understand it anyway) | Apr 24 16:22 |
| formic_ | im not even talking intel graphics | Apr 24 16:22 |
| DaemonFC | basically without GLSL 1.20, there's not a lot you can do | Apr 24 16:23 |
| DaemonFC | even Compiz or kwin compositing won't work | Apr 24 16:23 |
| formic_ | http://www.google.ca/finance?q=amd | Apr 24 16:24 |
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| DaemonFC | well, I think kwin's does now but it has to stop several of the more complex plugins from loading if it detects you're using an Intel GPU that's more than a few years old | Apr 24 16:24 |
| formic_ | im just going to stick with nvidia | Apr 24 16:24 |
| DaemonFC | at least AMD's integrated Radeons have proper GLSL support | Apr 24 16:24 |
| DaemonFC | even the relatively old ones | Apr 24 16:25 |
| formic_ | nvidia has never failed me and nouveau is doing better | Apr 24 16:25 |
| DaemonFC | formic_, You know what's really fucked up about Ubuntu's FGLRX package? | Apr 24 16:25 |
| DaemonFC | They stripped out OpenCL completely | Apr 24 16:25 |
| formic_ | daemonfc everything? | Apr 24 16:25 |
| DaemonFC | their FGLRX package has no OpenCL support at all | Apr 24 16:25 |
| formic_ | what isn't fucked up about ubuntu | Apr 24 16:26 |
| DaemonFC | it even complains about there being no alternatives to configure for OpenCL because the files are missing | Apr 24 16:26 |
| formic_ | yeah idiot packagers | Apr 24 16:26 |
| DaemonFC | I think I might back out their FGLRX, remove their Restricted component, and build my own package from the upstream bundle | Apr 24 16:27 |
| formic_ | You want my honest opinion? | Apr 24 16:27 |
| DaemonFC | work has basically only started very recently to optimize the open source radeon stuff | Apr 24 16:28 |
| DaemonFC | I think it will proceed slowly | Apr 24 16:28 |
| formic_ | get rid of Ubuntu | Apr 24 16:28 |
| DaemonFC | but the results of that might make it a worthy replacement for Catalyst in a year or two | Apr 24 16:28 |
| formic_ | its trashy | Apr 24 16:28 |
| DaemonFC | for my 5670 anyway | Apr 24 16:28 |
| DaemonFC | formic_, I noticed Oracle is starting to work on the radeon kernel side module | Apr 24 16:29 |
| DaemonFC | they did a huge amount of work to make it DMA aware in Linux 3.3 | Apr 24 16:29 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Former UK children’s TV presenter launches Home Key, an operating system for the elderly - http://tnw.co/I6vk70 #linux-based | Apr 24 16:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] RT @evan "Identi.ca support in HootSuite" http://ur1.ca/92xaw #client #statusnet | Apr 24 16:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @jerezim !! Less than 2 days to get rid of pro-#ACTA opinion from M.Gallo (EuroParl Legal Affairs committee) ur1.ca/92qbk Call now! | Apr 24 16:35 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] alguém mais acha idiota o pessoal falando do “dia mais frio do ano até o momento” na TV? por que não fazem isso em 1º/jan? | Apr 24 16:36 | |
| DaemonFC | I don't get why old people don't pick up on things like clicking on icons | Apr 24 16:43 |
| DaemonFC | and pressing hotkeys | Apr 24 16:44 |
| DaemonFC | well, not old old people, I could understand a 90 year old woman walking up to a computer and being confused by it | Apr 24 16:44 |
| DaemonFC | but someone in their 50s? | Apr 24 16:44 |
| DaemonFC | should they have an excuse? | Apr 24 16:44 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] !sr silenced jaokokaja UID 700430 | Apr 24 16:45 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.usatoday.com/weather/storms/winter/story/2012-04-24/spring-snow-storm/54501338/1 | Apr 24 16:47 |
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| DaemonFC | freak snowstorm in Pennsylvania | Apr 24 16:47 |
| DaemonFC | it's amusing to read the Craigslist Rants and Raves section | Apr 24 16:54 |
| DaemonFC | in a "who let these people on the internet?" kind of a way | Apr 24 16:54 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Seems German parliament (Bundestag) has an email blackout. IIRC they switched from Linux to MSFT Exchange. How ironic. | Apr 24 17:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Interview with @Worldbank's publisher Carlos Rossel on the bank's new #openaccess policy: http://bit.ly/I4Mqop | Apr 24 17:13 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] How's it working out? | Apr 24 17:15 | |
| formic_ | daemonfc - lol | Apr 24 17:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Google Summer of Code 2012: accepted students announced - The H Open Source: News and Features http://goo.gl/eXL7A | Apr 24 17:23 | |
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| DaemonFC | formic_, One of the rants was about Social Security. The guy complained (in a long misguided diatribe full of misspellings and grammatical errors) that welfare wasn't more like "the good old days, when one had to do things like sell their car to get food stamps. | Apr 24 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | It's not like you'd want an unemployed person on food stamps to drive their car around looking for work, is it? :) | Apr 24 17:27 |
| DaemonFC | sure, some won't, but taking the ability to do so away from the people that would will make it harder for the people who don't want to be on the system in the first place to free themselves from their dependency on it | Apr 24 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | which is the entire reason why they don't hassle you for owning a car now (as long as it's within reason) | Apr 24 17:28 |
| DaemonFC | also, if the person really and truly is disabled but needs their car to get to things like medical appointments and the grocery store, let's take that away from them! | Apr 24 17:29 |
| DaemonFC | All on the theory that anyone on welfare who has a car is driving it to a crackhouse to buy crack because they're all on crack and that's why only about 1% of them are actually on crack (Source: Florida) | Apr 24 17:30 |
| DaemonFC | you can't argue with illogical people using logical and well sourced arguments, because they don't really want to hear any of it | Apr 24 17:32 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Update those Macs already! Yet another Flashback variant is out http://goo.gl/7gOuz | Apr 24 17:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Labour IT mandarins make comeback bid for global transformation - http://bit.ly/I8lAgh this time, wasting trillions, not billions | Apr 24 17:35 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxfoundation/@linuxfoundation] Review: The PostGIS database 2.0.0 release this month offers many updates and new features. http://bit.ly/JW1nF9 | Apr 24 17:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] TeK > Guerra dos browsers "ao rubro" na Europa http://goo.gl/awlTs go #MOZILLA! | Apr 24 17:36 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Looking at the PostGIS 2.0 Release | Linux.com .::. Size~: 42.09 KB | Apr 24 17:36 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] The Latest In Hollywood Mathematics: A 46.3% Employment Increase Equals 'Countless Jobs Lost' http://goo.gl/3hFe3 | Apr 24 17:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] EU liberals to reject #ACTA [de] - http://bit.ly/IqgSrN let's hope this is true (v @netzpolitik) | Apr 24 17:38 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://fortwayne.craigslist.org/rnr/2976534859.html | Apr 24 17:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Re: God fearing and patriot-glenn beck!!! .::. Size~: 3.8 KB | Apr 24 17:41 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 24 17:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] As #CISPA Hits Congress, Cybersecurity Company Hypes The Fear Of #Anonymous http://goo.gl/zJsVJ | Apr 24 17:41 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: As CISPA Hits Congress, Cybersecurity Company Hypes The Fear Of Anonymous | Techdirt .::. Size~: 64.04 KB | Apr 24 17:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Former UK children’s TV presenter launches Home Key, an operating system for the elderly http://goo.gl/PcSJv | Apr 24 17:45 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Home Key OS Launched to get the Elderly Computing .::. Size~: 106.37 KB | Apr 24 17:45 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Introducing #Google Drive... yes, really - http://bit.ly/JvG3dS official, 5G free (v @jackschofield) | Apr 24 17:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Warrant for #Everton footballer #StevenPienaar's arrest http://goo.gl/rggg8 | Apr 24 17:46 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Official Google Blog: Introducing Google Drive... yes, really .::. Size~: 23.2 KB | Apr 24 17:46 |
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| DaemonFC | It always kills me when someone posts on a gay personals site something like "I want a relationship but I don't want anyone to know I'm gay, so if we're in public just pretend this is something else" | Apr 24 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | or "Hey, I have no job and I lay around smoking pot all day!" | Apr 24 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | thanks for the warning | Apr 24 17:48 |
| iophk | RMS is missing from the list. His GNU and GPL are the backbone of a lot of systems and infrastructure: | Apr 24 17:48 |
| iophk | http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2403414,00.asp | Apr 24 17:48 |
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| DaemonFC | It's nice of them to be up front about the reasons you don't want to go anywhere near them | Apr 24 17:49 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Comemorações do 25 de abril na sede de Sarkozy - Expresso.pt http://goo.gl/E49Hz há lambe botas idiotas em todo o lado! #sarkonazi | Apr 24 17:50 | |
| DaemonFC | most people make you wait until you're living together, married, etc. to start saddling you with their hangups | Apr 24 17:50 |
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| DaemonFC | or at least make you go through the effort of contacting them, and on the first date they start laying out all the reasons you want nothing to do with them | Apr 24 17:51 |
| DaemonFC | I've learned from a few bad experiences what kind of shit people will pull on you once they feel safe doing it. | Apr 24 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | "You go to work and pay all the bills and I'll lay in front of the TV all day and contribute to the mess. BTW, you're doing the housework when you get back from work, right?" | Apr 24 17:52 |
| DaemonFC | "I'll call you if anything gets turned off or we're being evicted!" | Apr 24 17:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Custo de trabalho em Portugal é menos de metade da média da Zona Euro - JNo http://goo.gl/TUDvz para calar alguns 'génios' do patronato! | Apr 24 17:55 | |
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| DaemonFC | When you've had enough and say "Get out of my house right now!", they do, but not before stealing from you, slashing your tires, going and telling the police you hit them and get you jammed up in legal problems.... | Apr 24 17:55 |
| iophk | Interesting that Phil Zimmerman made the list for PGP, that's excellent. | Apr 24 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | Is it like this for everyone or am I jsut lucky? | Apr 24 17:56 |
| formic_ | I tried to do my own 'donteverreply.com' type of deal on craigslist | Apr 24 17:56 |
| formic_ | some guy was looking for a rockband 3 guitar, i told him i had one with minor wear and tear damage | Apr 24 17:56 |
| formic_ | sent a picture of a guitar broken in half | Apr 24 17:56 |
| formic_ | he asked when he could pick it up -_- | Apr 24 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Apr 24 17:57 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Something all makers and reprappers should have on their smartphone: trimensional, even if it isn't open source. So ef... http://b1t.it/bmAd | Apr 24 18:21 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Whoa! That was bad. Sorry folks. !identica | Apr 24 18:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] I hear if you find the skull of Geronimo you get a prize. | Apr 24 18:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Nope. I was fixing a bug! In the opposite direction, apparently. | Apr 24 18:28 | |
| XFaCE | Hollywood accounting should be taken out and shot | Apr 24 18:30 |
| iophk | It's like Enron accounting | Apr 24 18:30 |
| iophk | Unfortunately it has spread widely and even Universities use it. | Apr 24 18:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Bye all. Will be back tmrw when the ZOMG! Google! Drive! Craze has dried up. #kthxbai | Apr 24 18:31 | |
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| DaemonFC | almost every movie is a "loss" | Apr 24 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | even the ones that make hundreds of millions in profit | Apr 24 18:41 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Or the ones that were so cheap that they HAD to make a profit | Apr 24 18:43 |
| XFaCE | When even your so-called inexpensive pictures still make a loss, there is mucking up going on | Apr 24 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | they try not to show a profit so they can minimize the taxes they pay | Apr 24 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | then they call people who watch the movie without paying them "thieves" | Apr 24 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | well, hollywood is one giant tax cheat | Apr 24 18:44 |
| XFaCE | yep | Apr 24 18:44 |
| XFaCE | iophk: What specfically has spread to universities? | Apr 24 18:44 |
| XFaCE | Hollywood's "facts" or the accounting practices? | Apr 24 18:45 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fedora/@fedora] Check out the @computerworld review of Fedora 17: http://2tu.us/599m @beefymiracle | Apr 24 18:45 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Fedora Linux 17 reaches beta with 6 key updates - Computerworld .::. Size~: 138.43 KB | Apr 24 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | for a while they were spreading a version of Xubuntu with malware in it to universities | Apr 24 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | it contained MPAA backdoors and spyware | Apr 24 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | Matthew Garrett still worked for Canonical at that time, and he's the one that sent out the DMCA take down to make them get rid of it | Apr 24 18:46 |
| XFaCE | I don't blame him | Apr 24 18:46 |
| XFaCE | It's a stupid law, but the cost of using it greatly outweighed the benefits of this act of MAFIAA assholishness | Apr 24 18:47 |
| DaemonFC | if we're going to call using software without a license "piracy" then the companies who misuse software licensed under copyleft licenses are software pirates | Apr 24 18:47 |
| XFaCE | Pretty sure it was illegal to do so anyway | Apr 24 18:47 |
| XFaCE | regardless of copyright | Apr 24 18:47 |
| DaemonFC | the DMCA will be there whether or not anyone uses it to right an occasional wrong as he did in this case | Apr 24 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | so I think free software authors who find their stuff being used in violation of the license should absolutely use the DMCA | Apr 24 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | if they feel the violation was serious and/or willful that is | Apr 24 18:49 |
| DaemonFC | and especially against companies who use them (quite often fraudulently) to censor the internet | Apr 24 18:49 |
| XFaCE | I agree | Apr 24 18:49 |
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| XFaCE | A taste of their own medicine | Apr 24 18:50 |
| XFaCE | Besides, I bet the DMCA here was more legitimate than 80% of all DMCAS | Apr 24 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | it was one of the laws that Clinton signed during his second term | Apr 24 18:51 |
| DaemonFC | during his first term, he was careful to mostly do things that were good, benign, or at least popular with voters | Apr 24 18:51 |
| DaemonFC | in his second term he started signing off on things like the DMCA | Apr 24 18:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Limbaugh targets Daily Kos with bogus DMCA takedown for Sandra Fluke montage https://eff.org/r.4YS | Apr 24 18:51 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Limbaugh Copies Michael Savage's Bogus Copyright Theory, Sends DMCA Takedown to Silence Critics | Electronic Frontier Foundation .::. Size~: 42.28 KB | Apr 24 18:51 |
| XFaCE | haha | Apr 24 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | that's not unusual, it's a guaranteed result of the term limit | Apr 24 18:52 |
| XFaCE | That's a weird coincidence | Apr 24 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | presidents do all the most offensive and unpopular things during their second term | Apr 24 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | because they can't run again anyway | Apr 24 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | XFaCE, Ironically, the US president that did the right thing for the people most of the time (Franklin Roosevelt) was the one that inspired the constitutional amendment stipulating the two term limit. | Apr 24 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | He was so popular and liked by the voters, that he won four terms | Apr 24 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | and the only reason he didn't get a fifth is because he died in office | Apr 24 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | the criminals were so worried that they might get stuck with another president who wouldn't play ball with them, that they sponsored that amendment | Apr 24 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | XFaCE, I strongly disagree with the term limit for president. I think people should be free to keep re-electing who they want to represent them, as many times as they want them there. | Apr 24 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | If we ended up with a 10 term president, then as long as the elections were fair, I wouldn't have a problem with it. | Apr 24 18:56 |
| XFaCE | That's the way it is in Canada | Apr 24 18:56 |
| DaemonFC | the term limit makes a bad president, like Bush or Clinton, all the more dangerous | Apr 24 18:56 |
| DaemonFC | they can (and often do) manage to sour people on their entire party in their second term | Apr 24 18:57 |
| DaemonFC | so we swing back and forth between a super majority of one party or the other | Apr 24 18:57 |
| XFaCE | Pierre Elliot Trudeau was prime minister April 20, 1968 – June 4, 1979 and March 3, 1980 – June 30, 1984 | Apr 24 18:57 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Imagine if that's how it was in the US | Apr 24 18:58 |
| TakinOver | I disagree. Term limits help reign in the natural tendency for a popular leader to become a dictator. | Apr 24 18:58 |
| XFaCE | TakinOver: that's true | Apr 24 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | TakinOver, A dictator is unelected. (Or elected in a fake election) | Apr 24 18:58 |
| XFaCE | Harper in his majority has essentially a dictatorship for 4 years | Apr 24 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | Note that I said as long as the election process was fair, I wouldn't have a problem with it. | Apr 24 18:58 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Well, Harper... :P | Apr 24 18:59 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: So in Harper's case... not so much | Apr 24 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | well, you can have a bad leader even if the election isn't fair | Apr 24 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | it all depends on whether the people will stand for it | Apr 24 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | as long as a slim majority is getting the few big ticket items they care about, that's always a danger | Apr 24 19:00 |
| XFaCE | Canadians are known for being submissive to authority | Apr 24 19:00 |
| XFaCE | Quebec excluded | Apr 24 19:00 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #RushLimbaugh Issues #DMCA Takedown To Censor Video Criticism http://goo.gl/iIjh8 | Apr 24 19:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Screw the naysayers: Why I just bought #Nokia http://goo.gl/tjqRi sounds like a pitch to the #Microsoft board from an insider to me | Apr 24 19:00 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Rush Limbaugh Issues DMCA Takedown To Censor Video Criticism | Techdirt .::. Size~: 54.93 KB | Apr 24 19:00 |
| XFaCE | They have a culture with balls | Apr 24 19:00 |
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| XFaCE | the next web? | Apr 24 19:00 |
| XFaCE | ugh | Apr 24 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | That's the reason Social Security and Medicare keep getting expanded without any means to pay for the expansion. | Apr 24 19:00 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Well no | Apr 24 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | IT frequently comes down to which party promises to give the old people what they want. | Apr 24 19:00 |
| XFaCE | That's more the result of an aging population | Apr 24 19:01 |
| XFaCE | Well, it's either that, or have the elderly die from lack of supporting infrastructure | Apr 24 19:01 |
| XFaCE | that's my theory of what's eventually going to happen | Apr 24 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | the population is aging, and by 2050, 80+ will be the largest demographic in the US | Apr 24 19:01 |
| XFaCE | If you block immigration, and don't increase your birth rate, then you eventually get a declining, elderly-heavy population | Apr 24 19:02 |
| XFaCE | And then what happens | Apr 24 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | unless the cigarette companies and makers of unwholesome science experiments passing as food manage to reduce the life expectancy some more | Apr 24 19:02 |
| XFaCE | There is a lack of health care workers, and then the elderly's life expectancy begins to decline | Apr 24 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | there's already a lack of healthcare workers | Apr 24 19:03 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Exactly | Apr 24 19:03 |
| XFaCE | and this can only get worse | Apr 24 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | people forget how demanding those jobs are | Apr 24 19:03 |
| XFaCE | Unless you let immigrants get in | Apr 24 19:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Macmillan’s Tor/Forge goes DRM-free http://goo.gl/LhLHz | Apr 24 19:03 | |
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| DaemonFC | people don't understand that most healthcare facilities hire and fire people day in and day out | Apr 24 19:03 |
| XFaCE | Immingrants are a fact of life for a modern population | Apr 24 19:03 |
| XFaCE | Anti-immigrant people really are stupid in that belief | Apr 24 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | wages for healthcare workers are a VERY small percentage of what the person pays for their treatment | Apr 24 19:04 |
| XFaCE | yep | Apr 24 19:04 |
| XFaCE | the rest goes to executives | Apr 24 19:04 |
| XFaCE | like the album copy industry | Apr 24 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | entire classes of healthcare workers (such as nurses aides) are frequently so overworked and underpaid that they quit if they don't manage to get fired (which can be for anything) | Apr 24 19:04 |
| XFaCE | like the film copy industry | Apr 24 19:04 |
| XFaCE | In Canada, we aren't actually as open to immigrants as people think | Apr 24 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | I briefly worked as a nurses aide and I finally quit after about 6 months | Apr 24 19:05 |
| XFaCE | Which should be outrageous, but no one cares | Apr 24 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | it's a real freak show, especially on night shifts | Apr 24 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | they're understaffed | Apr 24 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | they make you work halls that call for three full time nurses aides with two (or just you if someone calls in sick!) | Apr 24 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | the place I worked for even made the nurses aides do laundry | Apr 24 19:06 |
| XFaCE | fun | Apr 24 19:06 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: I would say come to Canada, but it's likely that were heading in the direction, thanks to Duchess Harper | Apr 24 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | one night, one of the residents fell out of her bed and was on the floor (actually, that happens a lot in a nursing home) | Apr 24 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | but when I called the nurse to come check her out, she bit my head off for making her stop reading her book | Apr 24 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | she brought in books from the library every night and sat at her desk reading them | Apr 24 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | probably did 20 minutes worth of work in the first 7 hours of her shift | Apr 24 19:08 |
| XFaCE | Nursing homes here have problems too | Apr 24 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | then as soon as the day shift came in, she hopped up off her ass and started running around frantically like she was doing something | Apr 24 19:08 |
| XFaCE | Where medicine is being administered by people who aren't qualified to do so | Apr 24 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | and that's the only thing the bosses ever saw her doing | Apr 24 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | so she had gotten away with that pattern for years | Apr 24 19:09 |
| XFaCE | A lack of empathy | Apr 24 19:09 |
| XFaCE | A lack of respect | Apr 24 19:09 |
| XFaCE | A lack of humanity | Apr 24 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | those places are a nightmare | Apr 24 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | they're worse than those Amazon warehouses you hear about | Apr 24 19:09 |
| XFaCE | Worse than Foxxconn plants? | Apr 24 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | yes and no | Apr 24 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | you won't get exposed to cancer causing compounds | Apr 24 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | but, maybe tuberculosis or hepatitis | Apr 24 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 24 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | or if you work in a hospital, truly anything | Apr 24 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | even HIV | Apr 24 19:10 |
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| DaemonFC | it's not worth $10 an hour | Apr 24 19:10 |
| sebsebseb | e | Apr 24 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | <XFaCE> Where medicine is being administered by people who aren't qualified to do so | Apr 24 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | A lot of them subscribe to the "management theory" | Apr 24 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | that a degree in management is all it takes to be a manager | Apr 24 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | even if you have no idea what you're managing | Apr 24 19:11 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Longtime CC user @brooklynmuseum (http://bit.ly/cnHj8A) pilots WikiLink, Wikipedia articles paired w/objects' codes: http://bit.ly/IBKJMr | Apr 24 19:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Wait... what? How does that work? | Apr 24 19:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] EFF's @txitua will speak at the @ShareConference in Serbia this week on cybersecurity and #CISPA: https://eff.org/r.1YK | Apr 24 19:11 | |
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| XFaCE | disgusting | Apr 24 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | XFaCE, It's not unlike what goes on at Microsoft. | Apr 24 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | Ballmer isn't a software engineer. | Apr 24 19:12 |
| XFaCE | Neither was/is Gates | Apr 24 19:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The Internet's Political Voices Are Lining Up To Smash #CISPA - http://onforb.es/ImZbZt is the mood finally shifting? | Apr 24 19:13 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The Internet's Political Voices Are Lining Up To Smash CISPA - Forbes .::. Size~: 96.6 KB | Apr 24 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | Gates at least had a BASIC understanding ;) | Apr 24 19:13 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: And the great skill of dumpster diving | Apr 24 19:14 |
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| DaemonFC | the shit really starts hitting the fan when you put someone in charge who has no idea what their company does | Apr 24 19:14 |
| XFaCE | ThistleWeb: 0/ | Apr 24 19:14 |
| ThistleWeb | o/ | Apr 24 19:14 |
| XFaCE | ThistleWeb: Looks like the exchange trip to Scotland will have to wait :( | Apr 24 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | XFaCE, They're in charge of wasting money! | Apr 24 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | these healthcare bureaucrats that run these cartoon sideshows | Apr 24 19:14 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: And get paid big bonuses for a job well done | Apr 24 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, it starts with a six or seven figure salary | Apr 24 19:15 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] thanks - keep up the good work | Apr 24 19:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Security advisories for Tuesday http://ur1.ca/93173 | Apr 24 19:15 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Security advisories for Tuesday [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 9.12 KB | Apr 24 19:15 |
| ThistleWeb | give it a few months and you'll be able to provide a service to our wildlife, as a meal for the midgies | Apr 24 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | then they start putting in security cameras to make sure nobody sneaks an extra 5 minute smoke break | Apr 24 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | then the cameras have to be networked so the boss can watch you from home | Apr 24 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 24 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | and so on... | Apr 24 19:15 |
| XFaCE | ThistleWeb: Err, is that a cultural joke? | Apr 24 19:15 |
| XFaCE | And they ignore the shareholders | Apr 24 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | XFaCE, Things like facility maintenance contracts don't go up for bid. | Apr 24 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | They say "Hey, my friend over here can do a horrible job at landscaping for only three times the cost!" | Apr 24 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | and so stuff like that goes out to people like that | Apr 24 19:16 |
| ThistleWeb | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midge << they hang around in swarms millions strong, they look like a cloud......and swarm on anyone getting close enough | Apr 24 19:17 |
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| DaemonFC | XFaCE, At one point, they had a contractor putting in doors..... | Apr 24 19:17 |
| XFaCE | ThistleWeb: oooo fun | Apr 24 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | yes, just doors! | Apr 24 19:17 |
| ThistleWeb | they're usually around in the autumn, specially areas between trees, like allys | Apr 24 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | the whole place was finished except for doors | Apr 24 19:18 |
| XFaCE | their like mosquitoes? | Apr 24 19:18 |
| ThistleWeb | kinda | Apr 24 19:18 |
| ThistleWeb | except these fellas attack by the million | Apr 24 19:18 |
| ThistleWeb | and they don't carry any desease | Apr 24 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | so they get this company out to put in doors that cost like $200, but by the time they were done, the bill was literally about $4,000 per door | Apr 24 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | and that was another such contract that went out because of favoritism | Apr 24 19:18 |
| ThistleWeb | they're the size of a pencil dot, but there's millions of the buggers | Apr 24 19:19 |
| iophk | XFaCE: Enron style accounting has spread to some universities, that's how the new ERP they use work. | Apr 24 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | XFaCE, About 2 months after that section of the facility was done, there was a huge storm.... | Apr 24 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | and it turned out that the roofing contractor had done some shoddy work | Apr 24 19:19 |
| XFaCE | ThistleWeb: Ah, so they are more like bed bugs | Apr 24 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | and it was raining inside the facility | Apr 24 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 24 19:20 |
| XFaCE | fun fun fun fun | Apr 24 19:20 |
| XFaCE | iophk: ugh | Apr 24 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | instead of suing the contractor, which is what I would have done.... | Apr 24 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | they paid them to come fix it | Apr 24 19:20 |
| XFaCE | nice | Apr 24 19:21 |
| XFaCE | They are insane | Apr 24 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | now you know why I worked there for six months, and then by that point.... | Apr 24 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | one day I just couldn't do it anymore and called in and told them I quit | Apr 24 19:21 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] #Syria: Beware of phishing attacks on Facebook, stealing logins, installing surveillance malware. More details: https://eff.org/r.Z6a | Apr 24 19:21 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: New Wave of Facebook Phishing Attacks Targets Syrian Activists | Electronic Frontier Foundation .::. Size~: 39 KB | Apr 24 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | I've worked in places that you'd think would be a lot worse than that for years at a time with no real problem | Apr 24 19:22 |
| XFaCE | ThistleWeb: Shit, all that cybersecurity shit should target FB, but no | Apr 24 19:22 |
| ThistleWeb | tourists who turn up for outdoorsy holidays in scotland around the autumn without midgie repellant, do help by providing walking feasts for the midgies | Apr 24 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | That's why I don't get how these people bitch and moan about working in a warehouse and having a quota to fill | Apr 24 19:23 |
| ThistleWeb | they provide decoys for the locals lol | Apr 24 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | I did that for about 5 years | Apr 24 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | my base pay sucked, I mean SUCKED | Apr 24 19:23 |
| XFaCE | ThistleWeb: haha | Apr 24 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | but....I ended up doubling it because I always ended up hitting about 150% or more of my quota | Apr 24 19:23 |
| ThistleWeb | the bright side, is that they tend to hang out in certain areas, so when you get far enough away from the swarm, they tend to drift back to the swarm and leave you alone | Apr 24 19:23 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Seems like they were sucking you in | Apr 24 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | and all the while people came and went because it was "so hard" | Apr 24 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | or getting fired for going below 80% constantly | Apr 24 19:24 |
| XFaCE | ThistleWeb: Makes life in Canada seem that more pleasant | Apr 24 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | people are just lazy | Apr 24 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | that's the only real problem here | Apr 24 19:24 |
| XFaCE | ThistleWeb: Except for our leader Duchess | Apr 24 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | I doubt Amazon is any worse than that warehouse I worked in | Apr 24 19:24 |
| XFaCE | ThistleWeb: Looking to outdo PM Cameron in being a douche | Apr 24 19:24 |
| ThistleWeb | arguably, any time of year, if ya come to scotland, be armed with midgie repellant, and clothes for any combination of weather | Apr 24 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | I don't understand how anyone could do less than 80% of their quota there | Apr 24 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | that was literally about half of what I managed on a typical night | Apr 24 19:25 |
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| ThistleWeb | the flip side of course, is that it provides a memorable holiday, specially if yer in an isolated area without repellent | Apr 24 19:26 |
| XFaCE | ThistleWeb: Fuck man, why'd you have to tell me that? Are you trying to keep me away? :P | Apr 24 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | XFaCE, Of course, I figured out their computer system pretty quick and tricked it into sorting all of my work in the most optimal configuration to begin with | Apr 24 19:27 |
| ThistleWeb | theyre not desease carriers, they're just REAL annoying if you happen to run into them | Apr 24 19:27 |
| DaemonFC | they'd do things like get three or four lifts caught in the same aisle and waiting on whoever was in the lead to get their order picked | Apr 24 19:28 |
| DaemonFC | so I figured out how to punch them in by hand so I'd always end up without any obstructions | Apr 24 19:28 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 24 19:28 |
| ThistleWeb | oh yeah, did I mention, since they're tiny, no fabric keeps them out? they just slip between the threads | Apr 24 19:29 |
| ThistleWeb | they also don't care what part of the skin they get | Apr 24 19:29 |
| XFaCE | ThistleWeb: thanks dude, thanks | Apr 24 19:29 |
| ThistleWeb | np | Apr 24 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | XFaCE, I also figured out how to trick the computer on board the lifts to think they had more battery power remaining so I could do one or two more orders before swapping out batteries, and so on | Apr 24 19:29 |
| XFaCE | Thistleweb: Take a look at my penis when I forget to wear repellant? See? SEE? | Apr 24 19:30 |
| ThistleWeb | CONSTANT VIGILANCE! | Apr 24 19:30 |
| DaemonFC | so on a base rate of only $9 an hour I was averaging $15-16 most days | Apr 24 19:30 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fsf/@fsf] #ThankGNU for David Ayers -- http://www.gnu.org/thankgnus/2012supporters.html -- donate to the FSF: http://donate.fsf.org/ | Apr 24 19:30 | |
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| ThistleWeb | ya donb't see the bites, they are tiny, and harmless, it's like an all over body itch at one time | Apr 24 19:30 |
| DaemonFC | people tend to do whatever the computer says in those warehouse jobs | Apr 24 19:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mattl/@mattl] @fsf is going to be elite pretty soon... http://identi.ca/url/69178125 | Apr 24 19:31 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a web page! Aborting image/png type | Apr 24 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | people never stop to think, they just do whatever the computer says | Apr 24 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | I think that people being like that explains most of what's wrong with the world | Apr 24 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | don't think, just do whatever you're told | Apr 24 19:32 |
| ThistleWeb | any credible tourist guide to scotland SHOULD mention the midgies, and just to make sure you have a can of repelant during their season | Apr 24 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | no matter how wrong or stupid or inefficient | Apr 24 19:32 |
| ThistleWeb | they're not a big deal really | Apr 24 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | then their boss is like that too | Apr 24 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | and their boss's boss | Apr 24 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | and when you get up high enough to the people that are supposed to be running the whole thing, they have no idea what the company even does | Apr 24 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | they have a management degree :) | Apr 24 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | Office Space isn't even really a comedy, the world does work exactly like that | Apr 24 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | makes me wonder if God is just an MBA and Satan just happened to win the bid to manage the Earth and that's what's going on here, really | Apr 24 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | you can't blame him, he's just in charge, he doesn't know what's going on down here | Apr 24 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | his parents were rich and he got really stoned and changed his major 3-4 times, and came out of Harvard with an MBA | Apr 24 19:37 |
| XFaCE | haha | Apr 24 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox 12 finally drops some non-standard Javascript that dates back to Netscape Communications | Apr 24 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 24 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | someone happened to notice that nobody uses them on web pages, they expose the browser to high-risk scripting attacks, and that if they haven't been standardized since Netscape Communicator 4 roamed the Earth, they probably never will be :) | Apr 24 19:41 |
| *koolhead11|away is now known as koolhead11 | Apr 24 19:41 | |
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| XFaCE | DaemonFC: You were talking about high fructose corn syrup some time ago? | Apr 24 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, that cheap way to get rid of corn that causes diabetes and occasionally contains mercury | Apr 24 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | but they insist it is pure as the driven snow... | Apr 24 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | what about it? | Apr 24 19:43 |
| XFaCE | In canada, it's called glucose-fructose, and appears to be quite different | Apr 24 19:43 |
| XFaCE | In that the products that use it actually have real sugar | Apr 24 19:44 |
| XFaCE | so if you were to try coke in Canada | Apr 24 19:44 |
| XFaCE | it would actually taste like coke | Apr 24 19:44 |
| XFaCE | So there you go | Apr 24 19:44 |
| XFaCE | buy your drinks from Canada :D | Apr 24 19:44 |
| XFaCE | Just thought you'd like to know | Apr 24 19:44 |
| ThistleWeb | now that's progressive, a country where drug dealers have standards | Apr 24 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, Mexican Coke and Pepsi has cane sugar | Apr 24 19:45 |
| ThistleWeb | where coke is like proper coke | Apr 24 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | they have it in the Mexican food aisles in most grocery stores here | Apr 24 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | if you're going to drink Coke or Pepsi it's actually safer to drink the stuff from Mexico | Apr 24 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 24 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | although I think Pepsi has a version called Throwback in some stores that has real sugar | Apr 24 19:46 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Correct | Apr 24 19:46 |
| XFaCE | It also had retro packaging and labelling | Apr 24 19:47 |
| XFaCE | ThistleWeb: In our country, prostitution is legal | Apr 24 19:47 |
| XFaCE | Except that you can't elicit on the street | Apr 24 19:47 |
| XFaCE | so you have to do it by phone | Apr 24 19:47 |
| XFaCE | Still, that is a million times more progressive than the US | Apr 24 19:48 |
| XFaCE | This might be changing because of, of course, Duchess | Apr 24 19:48 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: ThistleWeb: There was this discussion of a FTA with the southern NA and SA countries | Apr 24 19:48 |
| XFaCE | And one of their stipulations was the end of the drug war and the legalization of drugs | Apr 24 19:49 |
| XFaCE | What does Duchess and Obama say? Of course, "No way" | Apr 24 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | meh, if you're going to risk fucking a prostitute you may as well see if you can get something similar for free on Craigslist | Apr 24 19:49 |
| XFaCE | haha | Apr 24 19:49 |
| XFaCE | Also, I love how the US still refuses to do business with Cuba | Apr 24 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | throw caution to the wind and click on a link that says they want you to drive up, let them in your car, do whatever, and then drive off | Apr 24 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | that's how you know it's America, you don't even have to leave your car to do that | Apr 24 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | there was this nasty old man I used to work with who got busted for being caught with a prostitute in a McDonalds parking lot | Apr 24 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | so I started calling him Ronald McDonald | Apr 24 19:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] We are currently live-tweeting the House's hearing on cybersecurity over on @EFFLive. | Apr 24 19:51 | |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: ok... | Apr 24 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | people are nasty | Apr 24 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | NASTY | Apr 24 19:53 |
| formic_ | 14:48 < XFaCE> Also, I love how the US still refuses to do business with Cuba | Apr 24 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | at least if you watch porn and jerk off you're not going to get any diseases from it | Apr 24 19:54 |
| formic_ | Yeah its amusing, people just smuggle stuff to Canada and then to the US | Apr 24 19:54 |
| formic_ | or smuggle stuff to canada from the us, to ship to Cuba | Apr 24 19:54 |
| XFaCE | formic_: Say want you want about Trudeau, at least he stood up for Canadian sovereignity | Apr 24 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | several studies have shown a link between masturbation and lower levels of prostate and testicular cancer | Apr 24 19:54 |
| XFaCE | If Duchess had been in charge back then, we would have bowed down to the US at the first opportunity | Apr 24 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | I'll bet that just burns those people up | Apr 24 19:55 |
| XFaCE | Let alone open relations with Cuba | Apr 24 19:55 |
| formic_ | XFaCE - true, just wish he gave us land rights | Apr 24 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | the ones that want to make porn illegal and tell you God is watching you masturbate with a disapproving scowl | Apr 24 19:55 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Does that mean that 99% of men will get cancer? | Apr 24 19:55 |
| XFaCE | I mean fuck | Apr 24 19:55 |
| XFaCE | You might as well as give a link to cancer and breathing :P | Apr 24 19:55 |
| XFaCE | Which there is (chemicals, etc.) but still | Apr 24 19:56 |
| formic_ | Xface - 99% of people *will* get some form of cancer | Apr 24 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know, I just consider it a legitimate reason to keep doing what I'm doing | Apr 24 19:56 |
| formic_ | the remaining 1% are those business criminal assholes | Apr 24 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | actually, my landlord is one of the 1% | Apr 24 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | and he's dying of cancer | Apr 24 19:57 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Err, not masturbating? | Apr 24 19:57 |
| XFaCE | [14:54] <DaemonFC> I don't know, I just consider it a legitimate reason to keep doing what I'm doing | Apr 24 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | it doesn't seem to care how much money you have | Apr 24 19:57 |
| formic_ | daemonfc - your landlord isn't one of the 1% | Apr 24 19:57 |
| XFaCE | or not doing? | Apr 24 19:57 |
| formic_ | daemonfc - im sure he has no ties to banksters or politicians | Apr 24 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | formic_, Well, he might be if he could ever get Dawn and a few other problem tenants to pay their rent | Apr 24 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | he's probably not making a killing off this place if I'm the only one that's paid him anything in the last 3 months | Apr 24 19:58 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] the 1% - named after the amount of tax they pay | Apr 24 19:58 | |
| DaemonFC | I don't know why he isn't cracking down on them | Apr 24 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | maybe he just figures he can declare them as a tax writeoff if he doesn't collect any rent for a while | Apr 24 19:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] "how much old boy? 1%, you need to find a better accountant, I know some people in Sicily if you're interested" | Apr 24 20:00 | |
| DaemonFC | I didn't figure Dawn would ever catch up the last time she fell behind | Apr 24 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | she ended up owing him like $1800 at one point, got a job and paid back the whole thing | Apr 24 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | but right now she owes him about $2100 | Apr 24 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | rent is expensive, a mortgage is worse | Apr 24 20:01 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] New infographic from @OpenMedia_ca: Canada's #C30 online spying bill allows warrantless collection of users' data https://eff.org/r.Z9d | Apr 24 20:01 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Infographic: How the authorities would get information on you with the government's proposed online spying plan | OpenMedia.ca .::. Size~: 32.55 KB | Apr 24 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | you get a mortgage and there's nobody to call when something breaks, you end up hiring someone yourself or maybe your mortgage is already sucking you so dry that you keep paying and paying as your house falls apart around you | Apr 24 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | then you end up losing hte house anyway | Apr 24 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | I'd rather rent. At least if the roof starts leaking or a pipe bursts it's the landlord's problem | Apr 24 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | if the yard needs mowed, landlords problem | Apr 24 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | the city decides to up the utility rates, what I pay is what's in my lease | Apr 24 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | landlord gets to eat it | Apr 24 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | there's some liability involved in being a landlord (a reputable one anyway) | Apr 24 20:04 |
| formic_ | a lease in canada is 1 year | Apr 24 20:04 |
| formic_ | after that he can up the rates | Apr 24 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | it can be any length of time here | Apr 24 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | usually a year though | Apr 24 20:04 |
| formic_ | I pay for electricty, hydro, cable, internet, phone | Apr 24 20:04 |
| formic_ | he pays for heat and water | Apr 24 20:05 |
| formic_ | not hydro, gas i pay for | Apr 24 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | electricity and water and trash removal are included in my rent | Apr 24 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | my rent hasn't gone up since 2007 | Apr 24 20:05 |
| formic_ | trash removal is the cities job | Apr 24 20:05 |
| formic_ | here anyway | Apr 24 20:05 |
| formic_ | the city passed a law saying citizens need to shovel the government owned sidewalk | Apr 24 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | well, here too, but if you don't pay the trash fees, they won't pick up your trash | Apr 24 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | then as it starts piling up, the city will fine you | Apr 24 20:05 |
| formic_ | now the city doesnt have to pay people | Apr 24 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 24 20:05 |
| formic_ | its law, but the law doesnt say i have to do it for free | Apr 24 20:06 |
| formic_ | thank god for global warming, i didnt have to shovel much this year | Apr 24 20:06 |
| formic_ | i was planning on sending a bill to the city | Apr 24 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | formic_, They tried to fine people for their trash piling up when the last mayor suspended trash removal for 3 weeks because of a "budget crisis" that he caused most of | Apr 24 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 24 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | that didn't work | Apr 24 20:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] You have 5 days to change this behaviour. | Apr 24 20:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] That seems really unfair. It's not like it's an unusual circumstance. | Apr 24 20:06 | |
| DaemonFC | the people hit with fines ended up taking the city to court over it | Apr 24 20:07 |
| formic_ | lol fine people when the city wont do its job | Apr 24 20:07 |
| formic_ | lol | Apr 24 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | where the judge said that since the city wasn't removing it, they couldn't fine people for trash piling up | Apr 24 20:07 |
| formic_ | :) | Apr 24 20:07 |
| formic_ | thankfully there are some ok judges out there | Apr 24 20:07 |
| formic_ | not a lot but there are a few | Apr 24 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | formic_, There's a giant field across the street from me. | Apr 24 20:08 |
| DaemonFC | city owns it | Apr 24 20:08 |
| DaemonFC | every year they let it get completely overgrown | Apr 24 20:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Ear wax improves underwater hearing - for whales - http://bit.ly/Id8i0C well, I never... | Apr 24 20:08 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Short Sharp Science: Ear wax improves underwater hearing - for whales .::. Size~: 61.52 KB | Apr 24 20:08 |
| DaemonFC | every year I go down to the police station and file a nuisance complaint against the city | Apr 24 20:08 |
| DaemonFC | then they come out and mow it | Apr 24 20:08 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know why that gets them to do something about it | Apr 24 20:09 |
| DaemonFC | it's not like they are going to fine themselves | Apr 24 20:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joshuagay/@joshuagay] 12 million catalog records released under #CC0 by Harvard Library !cc #internetarchive !fc http://ur1.ca/9327m | Apr 24 20:10 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Millions of Harvard Library Catalog Records Publicly Available § THE HARVARD LIBRARY TRANSITION .::. Size~: 39.92 KB | Apr 24 20:10 |
| iophk | http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-04-24/motorola-mobility-wins-partial-ruling-in-apple-iphone-case.html | Apr 24 20:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Apple Found to Violate One Patent on Android Phones - Bloomberg .::. Size~: 179.71 KB | Apr 24 20:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] No !Google Drive for !Linux then? Not yet anyway http://ping.fm/hmY4V | Apr 24 20:11 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Google Drive is here! | Land of Droid - Google Android News - ROMS - Phones - Tablets - Opinions - Apps - Reviews .::. Size~: 36.78 KB | Apr 24 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | formic_, I mention in the complaint each time that if the city was a private citizen, they'd get slapped with a fine of about $1,000 for doing that | Apr 24 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | and that it's completely hypocritical to fine people for not mowing their lawns when they live across the street from something like that | Apr 24 20:12 |
| iophk | http://www.slashgear.com/itc-finds-apple-violates-one-motorola-patent-24224485/ | Apr 24 20:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: ITC finds Apple violates one Motorola patent - SlashGear .::. Size~: 47.09 KB | Apr 24 20:12 |
| XFaCE | formic_: Where do you live again? | Apr 24 20:13 |
| XFaCE | GTA? | Apr 24 20:13 |
| XFaCE | iophk: Never-ending cat and mouse game | Apr 24 20:14 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] So… Google Drive is less Linux friendly than Drobox… I didn't see that coming | Apr 24 20:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Millions of Harvard Library Catalog Records Publicly Available - http://hvrd.me/Id9EbU under cc0 licence, too - kudos | Apr 24 20:15 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Millions of Harvard Library Catalog Records Publicly Available § THE HARVARD LIBRARY TRANSITION .::. Size~: 39.92 KB | Apr 24 20:15 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Mandriva Linux !Security Advisory [ MDVSA-2012:064 ] openssl0.9.8 http://ping.fm/kbdjr | Apr 24 20:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Three words for you Mr Hunt: Digital Economy Act - http://bit.ly/IPveQm what he said | Apr 24 20:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] EU privacy authority says #ACTA lacks sufficient safeguards to protect users' rights of privacy and data protection https://eff.org/r.Y8W | Apr 24 20:16 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Bugtraq: [ MDVSA-2012:064 ] openssl0.9.8 .::. Size~: 18.01 KB | Apr 24 20:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: SRoC: Slightly Right of Centre: Three words for you Mr Hunt: Digital Economy Act .::. Size~: 106.5 KB | Apr 24 20:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: EU Privacy Watchdog Slams ACTA. Again. | La Quadrature du Net .::. Size~: 25.83 KB | Apr 24 20:16 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Oracle v. Google: important teaching moment, illustrating much of what doesn’t work in our patent system http://ping.fm/oeVJC | Apr 24 20:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @unseenstudio: #Crivins 12, the feedback loop, hus jist been drapped aff et the pool http://goo.gl/tneUR #ccmusic #FOSS | Apr 24 20:18 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Oracle v. Google shows the folly of U.S. software patent law | opensource.com .::. Size~: 51.84 KB | Apr 24 20:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Crivins Episode 12 | Unseen Studio Audiocasts .::. Size~: 26.88 KB | Apr 24 20:18 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !OpenSource Medicine Puts Health Above Profits - CIO http://ping.fm/xf2Rm | Apr 24 20:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] damn #NoScript makes thing interesting at times, looking for an option that I couldn't see until I enabled a site | Apr 24 20:20 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Open Source Medicine Puts Health Above Profits CIO.com .::. Size~: 138.07 KB | Apr 24 20:20 |
| XFaCE | formic_: The reason I ask is in response to your driveway shovelling comment -_- | Apr 24 20:20 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] The thing to watch in this story or !IRC usage is the !Freenode line http://ping.fm/9S4gF | Apr 24 20:21 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: IRC is dead, long live IRC .::. Size~: 82.88 KB | Apr 24 20:21 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Amazing. In Quebec, women can't change their name when they're married -- so most don't. | Apr 24 20:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] CONGRATULATIONS! | Apr 24 20:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Flyer gegen #ACTA - http://bit.ly/J7BW1Q good stuff | Apr 24 20:23 | |
| formic_ | xface - hamilton | Apr 24 20:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Flyer gegen ACTA › netzpolitik.org .::. Size~: 40.27 KB | Apr 24 20:23 |
| XFaCE | ok | Apr 24 20:23 |
| formic_ | xface - we can only have one bag of garbage too | Apr 24 20:23 |
| formic_ | you can't buy tags to allow more either like in other cities nearby | Apr 24 20:24 |
| XFaCE | if you said GTA, I would have said "Fuck ya, you don't know anything about shovelling snow" | Apr 24 20:24 |
| XFaCE | Actually, you are still in Southern Ontario | Apr 24 20:24 |
| XFaCE | So I will say that anyway :P | Apr 24 20:24 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] normal service starts to be resumed at the Camp Nou !football | Apr 24 20:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Are you pretty excited? What will you be working on? | Apr 24 20:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Apps4Russia 2012 - http://bit.ly/IqReTR great to see #opendata #opengov #russia | Apr 24 20:26 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Apps4Russia 2012 | Иван Бегтин .::. Size~: 56.95 KB | Apr 24 20:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] I think it's like, "LEST THERE BE ANY DOUBT, our intention is to be compatible with the GPL." | Apr 24 20:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Terry seems to be following the age old Brit way of competing - by assaulting an opponent, instead of outplaying him #RedCard lol | Apr 24 20:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Macmillan’s #Tor/Forge goes #DRM-free - http://bit.ly/I90XjF fab - the dam begins to break | Apr 24 20:30 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Macmillan’s Tor/Forge goes DRM-free — paidContent .::. Size~: 67.08 KB | Apr 24 20:30 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Chelsea fans get the complaints in now, "the officials wanted #Barca in the final, we woz robbed bu unfair decisions again" | Apr 24 20:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] what we need now is some #Drogba dramatics & being booked for it, just to fit according to the script !football #Chelsea | Apr 24 20:33 | |
| schestowitz | on Thursday we're gonna do some filming for my company... I'll be in it. And Mark also told me tha he got us a film director to help promote our new company soon. I have sme material to read on the way down to London to better understadn the business plan | Apr 24 20:33 |
| iophk | Which company? | Apr 24 20:34 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: you are full of shit on that masturbation thing | Apr 24 20:34 |
| formic_ | xface - you had snow this year? | Apr 24 20:34 |
| XFaCE | formic_: yes | Apr 24 20:35 |
| formic_ | I had snow for a few days at most | Apr 24 20:35 |
| prurigro | XFaCE, its not technically a lie if he believes its true, but he should be educated for sure | Apr 24 20:35 |
| XFaCE | formic_: And really crazy climate change weather as well | Apr 24 20:35 |
| schestowitz | iophk: NOK will be bankrupt http://www.neowin.net/news/fitch-drops-nokias-credit-to-junk-status-nokia-responds | Apr 24 20:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Fitch drops Nokia's credit to junk status; Nokia responds - Neowin .::. Size~: 142.72 KB | Apr 24 20:35 |
| schestowitz | http://www.businessinsider.com/nokia-bankrupt-2012-4?nr_email_referer=1&utm_source=Triggermail&utm_medium=email&utm_term=SAI%20Select&utm_campaign=SAI%20Select%202012-04-20 http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/04/17/uk-nokia-telcos-idUKBRE83G08Z20120417 | Apr 24 20:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: And Now Nokia Has A New Problem -- It Might Go Bankrupt - Business Insider .::. Size~: 291.5 KB | Apr 24 20:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Mobile operators unconvinced by Nokia's revival bid | Reuters .::. Size~: 89 KB | Apr 24 20:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @eff EU privacy authority says #ACTA lacks sufficient safeguards to protect users' rights of privacy and data protection https://eff. ... | Apr 24 20:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @glynmoody Millions of Harvard Library Catalog Records Publicly Available - http://hvrd.me/Id9EbU under cc0 licence, too - kudos | Apr 24 20:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @eff New infographic from @OpenMedia_ca: Canada's #C30 online spying bill allows warrantless collection of users' data https://eff.or ... | Apr 24 20:38 | |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | Couldn't resolve host 'eff.or' ( https://eff.or ) | Apr 24 20:38 |
| schestowitz | iophk: can't name, trolls love to abuse people's privacy | Apr 24 20:41 |
| schestowitz | but I'm starting another company with a fellow prof. soon | Apr 24 20:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] I don't know Blankon. | Apr 24 20:41 | |
| MinceR | http://www.politics.hu/20120420/the-new-hungarian-secret-police/ | Apr 24 20:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The new Hungarian secret police | Politics.hu .::. Size~: 107.84 KB | Apr 24 20:42 |
| *iophk has quit (Quit: Leaving.) | Apr 24 20:42 | |
| formic_ | new? pfft | Apr 24 20:44 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Wellllllll... doesn't it kind of suggest that maybe open data isn't enough to bring about open government? | Apr 24 20:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] I mean, clap clap clap, good job Russia, but it still raises questions. | Apr 24 20:46 | |
| MinceR | can't have enough | Apr 24 20:47 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] I wonder, is it the Nokia's credit rating or its preferred choice of platform that is worthy of junk status? http://is.gd/bREZhV #microsoft | Apr 24 20:50 | |
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| _Goblin | bonjour.......good evening...hello.... | Apr 24 20:50 |
| schestowitz | hey _Goblin | Apr 24 20:51 |
| _Goblin | :) | Apr 24 20:51 |
| _Goblin | been some interesting articles on your site recently Roy | Apr 24 20:51 |
| schestowitz | I see you in 2.5 days | Apr 24 20:51 |
| _Goblin | yep! | Apr 24 20:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Rangers complaining about being punished for the actions of 1 man, not to be confused with benefiting from the actions of that same 1 man | Apr 24 20:51 | |
| _Goblin | I take it formic has been found innocent of being Brandon........? | Apr 24 20:52 |
| schestowitz | it's a new persona | Apr 24 20:53 |
| _Goblin | ah.... | Apr 24 20:53 |
| ThistleWeb | in drag? | Apr 24 20:53 |
| _Goblin | sort of like a split personality? | Apr 24 20:53 |
| _Goblin | Brandon doesn't nym shift, but formic does? | Apr 24 20:53 |
| *ThistleWeb is reminded of Priscilla Queen of the desert | Apr 24 20:53 | |
| _Goblin | lol | Apr 24 20:53 |
| ThistleWeb | can't take chancellor valorum seriously after watching him in that movie lol | Apr 24 20:54 |
| _Goblin | I think in Brandon's case more Monty Python..... "Nobody is to stone anybody until I blow this whistle....and...I want to make this absolutely clear even if they do say Brandon" | Apr 24 20:54 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Well, you better bone up on your Romansh. | Apr 24 20:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fsf/@fsf] French presidential elections 2012 and free software -- http://fsf.org/blogs/community/french-presidential-elections-2012-and-free-software | Apr 24 20:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Is Sierra Leone, without Internet and !FreeSoftware, just a knowledge landfill? | Stop http://goo.gl/WabG0 | Apr 24 20:55 | |
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| _Goblin | That statement from Evans tweet sounds so wrong.... | Apr 24 20:55 |
| _Goblin | "you better bone up" - say that in the states it probably has a totally different meaning to the UK. | Apr 24 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | well, I heard someone from there tell a woman he'd knock her up once | Apr 24 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | that was pretty funny | Apr 24 20:57 |
| _Goblin | lol... | Apr 24 20:57 |
| _Goblin | that translates to the same here in the UK | Apr 24 20:57 |
| ThistleWeb | bone up sounds like the catchphrase of Viagraman | Apr 24 20:57 |
| ThistleWeb | to trigger the powers | Apr 24 20:57 |
| ThistleWeb | flame on......erm......bone up | Apr 24 20:57 |
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| _Goblin | I love the US saying "That guys full of spunk" | Apr 24 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | you got spunk! | Apr 24 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | I HATE SPUNK! | Apr 24 20:58 |
| _Goblin | cheers! | Apr 24 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 24 20:58 |
| XFaCE | ThistleWeb: How can you take any of the prequels seriously? | Apr 24 20:58 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Firefox 12 release brings easier updates as it bypasses Microsoft's UAC system - V3.co.uk http://ping.fm/W0wUV | Apr 24 20:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Scientific Linux 5.8 http://ur1.ca/93336 | Apr 24 20:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Interview with !Canonical's @JonoBacon | Unixmen http://goo.gl/hlXkx | Apr 24 20:58 | |
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| _Goblin | there should be a list of all the saying that have completely different meanings in the US/UK.... | Apr 24 20:59 |
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| ThistleWeb | lol | Apr 24 20:59 |
| XFaCE | formic_ is a pretty cool guy, eh talks about stuff and doesn't afraid of anything... | Apr 24 20:59 |
| _Goblin | shame...... | Apr 24 20:59 |
| _Goblin | I (in my witchhunter role a few days ago) have already burnt him as a BrandonWitch | Apr 24 20:59 |
| _Goblin | did the inquisition ever say sorry? | Apr 24 21:00 |
| fewt | sorry | Apr 24 21:00 |
| ThistleWeb | _Goblin: do you buy the fake noses in bulk? | Apr 24 21:00 |
| XFaCE | NOBODY EXPECTS THE... never ind | Apr 24 21:00 |
| _Goblin | yep....and the pitchforks... | Apr 24 21:00 |
| _Goblin | two for a pund | Apr 24 21:01 |
| MinceR | XFaCE: lol | Apr 24 21:01 |
| XFaCE | fewt: Fuduntu? More like Fudumbo, lulz | Apr 24 21:01 |
| MinceR | @ halo meme | Apr 24 21:01 |
| _Goblin | Halo? | Apr 24 21:01 |
| MinceR | XFaCE: FUDuntu :> | Apr 24 21:01 |
| _Goblin | Microsoft? | Apr 24 21:01 |
| _Goblin | Witch! Burn him aswell! | Apr 24 21:01 |
| ThistleWeb | "well, we did do the nose......and the hat" | Apr 24 21:01 |
| MinceR | _Goblin: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/pretty-cool-guy | Apr 24 21:01 |
| fewt | fuuuuu | Apr 24 21:01 |
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| _Goblin | and the boots..... | Apr 24 21:01 |
| fewt | /quit | Apr 24 21:01 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: Fail | Apr 24 21:01 |
| fewt | oh shi- | Apr 24 21:01 |
| _Goblin | don't forget the boots | Apr 24 21:01 |
| XFaCE | KnowYourmeme? REally?! | Apr 24 21:02 |
| XFaCE | Might as well link to Oh Internet as well | Apr 24 21:02 |
| fewt | sniff so much hate | Apr 24 21:02 |
| prurigro | DaemonFC! I missed you-- I was in techrights last night and realized I hadn't seen you around in a while | Apr 24 21:02 |
| prurigro | *sniff* | Apr 24 21:02 |
| *fewt grins | Apr 24 21:02 | |
| MinceR | XFaCE: why? | Apr 24 21:02 |
| MinceR | XFaCE: it's safer than ED | Apr 24 21:02 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: Because that site is full of fail | Apr 24 21:02 |
| MinceR | also, more informative :> | Apr 24 21:03 |
| XFaCE | Yeah, because it's full of fail | Apr 24 21:03 |
| fewt | Fuduntu: It's safer than ED | Apr 24 21:03 |
| MinceR | ...fail is informative? | Apr 24 21:03 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: ED is much more informative and isn't doing it for moniez$$ | Apr 24 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | prurigro, spent a couple days sleeping too much and watching monster movies | Apr 24 21:03 |
| _Goblin | could not imagine anything worse | Apr 24 21:04 |
| _Goblin | can't physically sit and watch a movie now.... | Apr 24 21:04 |
| _Goblin | awful....dull... | Apr 24 21:04 |
| _Goblin | the last horror movie I saw.... | Apr 24 21:04 |
| _Goblin | Pirates of Silicon Valley.....had a very convincing Ballmer......very disturbing...... | Apr 24 21:04 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Not that I'm aware of. Can you add Firebug, see a JavaScript error? | Apr 24 21:05 | |
| prurigro | DaemonFC, ahh yea, actually, you were having migraines and whatnot before your absence weren't you? | Apr 24 21:05 |
| DaemonFC | did it mention Xerox or VisiON at all? | Apr 24 21:05 |
| MinceR | also, ED seems to be down again | Apr 24 21:05 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 24 21:05 |
| _Goblin | In all seriousness though.......the one good recent horror is the prequal to The Thing... | Apr 24 21:05 |
| MinceR | or they've lost their domain name again | Apr 24 21:05 |
| MinceR | (the .ch one) | Apr 24 21:05 |
| _Goblin | I did actually like that. | Apr 24 21:05 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not sure what to think about the Upstart v. systemd flame fest | Apr 24 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | (which is what it is) | Apr 24 21:06 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: Dumbo, it's .SE now | Apr 24 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | on one hand, systemd starts my system faster | Apr 24 21:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Copyright Maximalists Just Won't Quit: Pushing New Monopoly Rights For Performers Through Sneaky Treaty Agreement - http://bit.ly/InmaDG | Apr 24 21:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @silner: #Firefox 12 release brings easier updates as it bypasses Microsoft's UAC system - V3.co.uk http://ping.fm/W0wUV | Apr 24 21:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] how many #MVPs will put their money where their mouths are, invest all their savings in #Nokia shares certain that #WP7 will make em rich? | Apr 24 21:06 | |
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| ThistleWeb | the thing (microsoft style) is ballmer's obsession with the item the world knows as an iphone but can't bring himself to name it | Apr 24 21:07 |
| DaemonFC | on the other hand, Upstart is fully sysvinit compatible | Apr 24 21:07 |
| DaemonFC | I ran into some problems with using Privoxy on Fedora | Apr 24 21:07 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: KYM is crap | Apr 24 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | I ended up having to create an rc.local, and tell init to sleep for 2 seconds, and then spawn Privoxy as a service after it finished running all the systemd units | Apr 24 21:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Wireless providers side with police over users in opposing CA location privacy bill https://eff.org/r.Z7e | Apr 24 21:08 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Wireless providers side with cops over users on location privacy | Privacy Inc. - CNET News .::. Size~: 84.68 KB | Apr 24 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | sadly, Privoxy is showing its age | Apr 24 21:08 |
| DaemonFC | it seems to not like SPDY, at all | Apr 24 21:08 |
| MinceR | XFaCE: RAEG | Apr 24 21:08 |
| formic_ | 16:05 < DaemonFC> I ran into some problems with using Privoxy on Fedora | Apr 24 21:09 |
| formic_ | learn systemd | Apr 24 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | I'd really rather not | Apr 24 21:09 |
| formic_ | 'service sshd stop' is easier than '/etc/init.d/sshd stop' | Apr 24 21:09 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: Checkmate | Apr 24 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | it doesn't seem to have any advantages to me | Apr 24 21:10 |
| DaemonFC | and I end up needing to write shell script anyway | Apr 24 21:10 |
| formic_ | daemonfc - you're the one using ubuntu and bitching all the time about it | Apr 24 21:10 |
| MinceR | XFaCE: "checkmate, atheists!" | Apr 24 21:10 |
| DaemonFC | is there any distribution that doesn't do something stupid and have a cult and/or asshole developer and/or IRC moderators associated with it? | Apr 24 21:11 |
| formic_ | daemonfc and ubuntu are like that married couple fighting and beating each other all the time | Apr 24 21:11 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: Intellectual checkmate! | Apr 24 21:11 |
| MinceR | XFaCE: intellectual masturbation! | Apr 24 21:11 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: Don't get DaemonFC started | Apr 24 21:12 |
| DaemonFC | then there's this distturbing trend that when they say they have Linux packages, they mean they have Ubuntu packages | Apr 24 21:12 |
| DaemonFC | so you're going to end up using Ubuntu at some point anyway | Apr 24 21:12 |
| DaemonFC | and AMD is now getting dangerously close to declaring my graphics card deprecated even though it's only two years old | Apr 24 21:13 |
| MinceR | XFaCE: NO U | Apr 24 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | and stick me with using something that's really too slow to play any of my games with | Apr 24 21:13 |
| _Goblin | Whats wrong with Ubuntu DaemonFC? | Apr 24 21:13 |
| scientes | MinceR, encyclopediadramatica.se | Apr 24 21:14 |
| _Goblin | I thought you liked it. | Apr 24 21:14 |
| _Goblin | Champion of Canonical I thought you were. | Apr 24 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | some thing yes, some things no | Apr 24 21:14 |
| XFaCE | scientes: Already told him, dickwad | Apr 24 21:14 |
| scientes | well ij just started looking at the logs sry | Apr 24 21:14 |
| _Goblin | didnt you once say that Canonical was a gift from God? | Apr 24 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | I got snagged by a particularly annoying X server patch of theirs earlier that makes my TV impossible to use as a monitor if I don't have FGLRX | Apr 24 21:14 |
| scientes | also, there is a dump of encyclopedia dramatica on archive.org from when it first went down (without pics) | Apr 24 21:15 |
| XFaCE | scientes: just joshing dude, we all light hearted now | Apr 24 21:15 |
| XFaCE | PARTY HARD | Apr 24 21:15 |
| scientes | when its time to party we will party hard | Apr 24 21:15 |
| MinceR | scientes: XFaCE already pointed me to it (in a rather impolite way), but thanks | Apr 24 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | it's incredibly crude and it doesn't even seem to make an attempt to check if your card is actually supported by FGLRX before it tries to start FGLRX | Apr 24 21:16 |
| scientes | <XFaCE> MinceR: Dumbo, it's .SE now | Apr 24 21:16 |
| scientes | yes | Apr 24 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | nor does it attempt to make sure FGLRX is actually installed at all | Apr 24 21:16 |
| _Goblin | oh well | Apr 24 21:16 |
| _Goblin | its probably gods will....don't worry about it, | Apr 24 21:16 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: We just havin fun | Apr 24 21:16 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is sandersch from identi.ca with 64 dents! | Apr 24 21:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Never stops. http://ur1.ca/933eo | Apr 24 21:16 | |
| XFaCE | MinceR: We all friends here | Apr 24 21:16 |
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| _Goblin | I'm not... | Apr 24 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | jono is the chief gremlin of the cthulu | Apr 24 21:17 |
| _Goblin | thats not what you said the other day.... | Apr 24 21:17 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: And he makes undynamic music | Apr 24 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | he scampers off to Mark and tells Mark all the best ways to personally fuck me over with stupid patches | Apr 24 21:17 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: That's a stretch | Apr 24 21:17 |
| _Goblin | oh well..... | Apr 24 21:17 |
| _Goblin | that naughty naughty Jono..... | Apr 24 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | I can't PROVE that but I know that's what's going on | Apr 24 21:17 |
| XFaCE | _Goblin: I think my complaint is more legitimate | Apr 24 21:17 |
| _Goblin | bringing the force of Canonical against one user....Daemonfc | Apr 24 21:17 |
| _Goblin | DaemonFC, why prove it? It sounds very reasonable to me...... | Apr 24 21:18 |
| XFaCE | lol | Apr 24 21:18 |
| _Goblin | Jono and Mark have nothing better to do than to annoy you with software | Apr 24 21:18 |
| jono | lol | Apr 24 21:18 |
| _Goblin | I don't know about anyone else ..... Im convinced | Apr 24 21:18 |
| XFaCE | Is jono even a programmer? | Apr 24 21:18 |
| formic_ | jono and mark love to see daemonfc rant | Apr 24 21:19 |
| _Goblin | He is now | Apr 24 21:19 |
| jono | XFaCE, hobbyist programmer | Apr 24 21:19 |
| XFaCE | jono: aye | Apr 24 21:19 |
| _Goblin | except when targetting DaemonFC ...then youre a pro...apparently. | Apr 24 21:19 |
| _Goblin | You know I reckon Ballmer made Vista pants just to annoy me. | Apr 24 21:19 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The Big Microsoft Lie is Spreading and It Works http://ur1.ca/933fx #microsoft #motorola #android #linux | Apr 24 21:20 | |
| _Goblin | I think he ran off to Gates and said "Lets annoy Goblin and make Vista really sh*t" | Apr 24 21:20 |
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| formic_ | all of Steve Ballmers sweat went into Vista, literally | Apr 24 21:20 |
| formic_ | they bottled up the stuff at his 'developers developers developers' conference | Apr 24 21:20 |
| MinceR | _Goblin: not a novel idea | Apr 24 21:20 |
| XFaCE | formic_: The dvds are made with it | Apr 24 21:20 |
| MinceR | _Goblin: they did it with all their products :> | Apr 24 21:21 |
| formic_ | thats why vista stinks | Apr 24 21:21 |
| _Goblin | talking of Vista....... | Apr 24 21:21 |
| _Goblin | ..... | Apr 24 21:21 |
| _Goblin | nah...lets not... | Apr 24 21:21 |
| _Goblin | Mojave! | Apr 24 21:21 |
| XFaCE | Cairo! | Apr 24 21:21 |
| XFaCE | _Goblin: I one uped you | Apr 24 21:21 |
| XFaCE | actually, two uped you | Apr 24 21:21 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] New Blog Post | A Neat Little Niche Image Uploading Solution http://goo.gl/ioIJL #Imageshack #fb | Apr 24 21:21 | |
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| XFaCE | I am undisputed win | Apr 24 21:22 |
| DaemonFC | at least the LTS releases aren't as much of a nasty unsupportable mess as the others | Apr 24 21:22 |
| formic_ | mojave - the study to prove changing the name of Vista would trick people into using it (Ie Windows 7) | Apr 24 21:22 |
| _Goblin | oop...hang fire....we're back to Ubuntu | Apr 24 21:22 |
| DaemonFC | I hate it when they (or anyone) runs focus groups to design a GUI | Apr 24 21:22 |
| MinceR | did it ever result in anything good? | Apr 24 21:23 |
| _Goblin | I reckon Mark and Jono know that....thats why they do it, | Apr 24 21:23 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Except Windows 97 | Apr 24 21:23 |
| XFaCE | 95 | Apr 24 21:23 |
| XFaCE | oop | Apr 24 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | apparently Novell did a focus group and that's where the idea of the "slab menu" in their GNOME 2 came from | Apr 24 21:23 |
| _Goblin | (in reply to DaemonFC ) | Apr 24 21:23 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: 95 was prolly the only one that came close | Apr 24 21:23 |
| XFaCE | to a decent gui | Apr 24 21:23 |
| formic_ | 16:21 < DaemonFC> apparently Novell did a focus group and that's where the idea | Apr 24 21:23 |
| XFaCE | the rest was crap, but hey | Apr 24 21:23 |
| MinceR | that's still pretty far from a decent gui | Apr 24 21:23 |
| formic_ | daemonfc - msb__ might suggest the focus group was ms funded too | Apr 24 21:23 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 95's GUI was better than Windows 3.1 and better than any Windows release that came after it | Apr 24 21:23 |
| MinceR | certainly further than Arthur/RISC OS, for example | Apr 24 21:24 |
| _Goblin | well I (and my wife especially) think Unity is great. | Apr 24 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | but it still did plenty of irritating things | Apr 24 21:24 |
| formic_ | giving gnome more bling to piss off the 'power users' | Apr 24 21:24 |
| MinceR | what's the "slab menu"? | Apr 24 21:24 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: oh sure | Apr 24 21:24 |
| formic_ | _Goblin - unity is awesome, I like it more than gnome3 | Apr 24 21:24 |
| MinceR | formic_: that's not a high standard | Apr 24 21:24 |
| _Goblin | Ive had no issues with it at all.....except one | Apr 24 21:24 |
| formic_ | _Goblin - i dont like the software store, the upselling and ubuntu one | Apr 24 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, That thing that Linux Mint forked to make their Mint Menu | Apr 24 21:24 |
| _Goblin | not really an issue..... | Apr 24 21:24 |
| _Goblin | but.... | Apr 24 21:24 |
| _Goblin | when my browser is maximized it is easy (when trying to click page back button) to inadvertently open up the Unity interface........ | Apr 24 21:25 |
| formic_ | i dont want mark shuttleworth to know what i did last summer | Apr 24 21:25 |
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| formic_ | SaaS -1 | Apr 24 21:25 |
| XFaCE | -a billion | Apr 24 21:25 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: I think Mate in Mint 12 was abousulty great | Apr 24 21:26 |
| _Goblin | yes, but I have a family using the same rig and since they are loving Unity, thats what I'm now sticking with | Apr 24 21:27 |
| sebsebseb | Why are they loving Unity? | Apr 24 21:27 |
| formic_ | _Goblin - sharing a computer? :( | Apr 24 21:27 |
| _Goblin | more the wife likes it (my lad is a little young for using machine by himself) | Apr 24 21:28 |
| sebsebseb | formic_ a bad partition table :( | Apr 24 21:28 |
| sebsebseb | preparting my computer for a complete hard disk partitions re do | Apr 24 21:28 |
| sebsebseb | as a result | Apr 24 21:28 |
| _Goblin | I think its just the slideaway unity at the side coupled with the out of the box solid Ubuntu.... | Apr 24 21:28 |
| _Goblin | and also I've noticed that other apps are far more tightly integrated with the desktop than other distro's I ve used. | Apr 24 21:29 |
| _Goblin | Empathy in the past on other distro's caused me no end of trouble. | Apr 24 21:29 |
| sebsebseb | Pidgin :) | Apr 24 21:29 |
| formic_ | I like how unity does not ignore pidgin | Apr 24 21:29 |
| XFaCE | formic_: XFCE doesn't either | Apr 24 21:29 |
| formic_ | gnome3 is like "use empathy, WE SAY SO" | Apr 24 21:29 |
| XFaCE | but everyone ignores XFCE | Apr 24 21:29 |
| *MinceR doesn't ignore XFCE | Apr 24 21:30 | |
| XFaCE | MinceR: yay! | Apr 24 21:30 |
| formic_ | empathy is useless shit | Apr 24 21:30 |
| MinceR | XFCE is great | Apr 24 21:30 |
| formic_ | no encryption makes it worthless | Apr 24 21:30 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: Except for compositing | Apr 24 21:30 |
| _Goblin | formic_, well since I've sorted it....its posting cross social networks and handling other tasks with no issue. | Apr 24 21:30 |
| MinceR | xfwm can do compositing and you can run another wm | Apr 24 21:30 |
| MinceR | and you can run xcompmgr | Apr 24 21:30 |
| _Goblin | encryption? | Apr 24 21:30 |
| formic_ | yeah | Apr 24 21:30 |
| formic_ | OTR | Apr 24 21:30 |
| DaemonFC | I want to go for a walk but the temperature out is just right that if I wear a sweatshirt I'll be too warm and if I don't I'll freeze... | Apr 24 21:31 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Apr 24 21:31 |
| _Goblin | Why would I want to encrypt something I'm posting publically? | Apr 24 21:31 |
| MinceR | if you like crashes, you can probably run XFCE with Compiz :> | Apr 24 21:31 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: not without metacity | Apr 24 21:31 |
| prurigro | MinceR, it seems there's a big flaw with the xfwm compositing code that isn't being fixed because the devs don't experience it | Apr 24 21:31 |
| prurigro | sadly | Apr 24 21:31 |
| formic_ | _Goblin - your using empathy to tweet or something? | Apr 24 21:31 |
| formic_ | http://www.cypherpunks.ca/otr/ | Apr 24 21:31 |
| _Goblin | yep | Apr 24 21:31 |
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| formic_ | ah well then thats fine | Apr 24 21:31 |
| _Goblin | I want people to read what I type | Apr 24 21:31 |
| MinceR | XFaCE: huh? what's metacity got to do with compositing? | Apr 24 21:31 |
| formic_ | im talking about having a private conversation with someone | Apr 24 21:31 |
| prurigro | +1 for otr | Apr 24 21:31 |
| formic_ | over IM | Apr 24 21:31 |
| XFaCE | prurigro: No, ti's because xrender doesn't work with intel cards and vsync | Apr 24 21:31 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: You have to switch the WM | Apr 24 21:32 |
| MinceR | not an issue, imo | Apr 24 21:32 |
| XFaCE | I say it is | Apr 24 21:32 |
| MinceR | on my tablet pc, i run XFCE+Openbox+xcompmgr | Apr 24 21:32 |
| _Goblin | formic_, why would I do that...... in 140 chars a private conversation? | Apr 24 21:32 |
| _Goblin | not much of a conversation. | Apr 24 21:32 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: Well, that doesn't solve the problem I describe :P | Apr 24 21:32 |
| prurigro | XFaCE, I was reading on a couple forums, people with intel and that basis that nouveau uses both experience the issue, and some reported that they did not via other brands of compositing | Apr 24 21:32 |
| MinceR | XFaCE: what is the problem? | Apr 24 21:32 |
| formic_ | _Goblin - im not talking about denting or tweeting, im talking about for example: jabber | Apr 24 21:32 |
| _Goblin | the hut? | Apr 24 21:33 |
| MinceR | lol | Apr 24 21:33 |
| _Goblin | yeah he was nasty | Apr 24 21:33 |
| MinceR | the IM system | Apr 24 21:33 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: no vsync with the compostor | Apr 24 21:33 |
| formic_ | are you too old to know what instant messages are? | Apr 24 21:33 |
| MinceR | XFaCE: which compositor, the xfwm one? | Apr 24 21:33 |
| formic_ | person to person conversations | Apr 24 21:33 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Video Game Developers Continue To Ignorantly Attack Used Game Sales http://goo.gl/E7GqC | Apr 24 21:33 | |
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| _Goblin | formic_, are they.....messages that are er .... instant? | Apr 24 21:33 |
| _Goblin | formic_, you'll have to help me.... | Apr 24 21:33 |
| MinceR | a bit more than that | Apr 24 21:33 |
| formic_ | lol | Apr 24 21:33 |
| _Goblin | ah.... | Apr 24 21:34 |
| MinceR | IM systems also include presence tracking and notification | Apr 24 21:34 |
| MinceR | (IRC is not so good at those) | Apr 24 21:34 |
| _Goblin | what like my twitter that tracks my location? | Apr 24 21:34 |
| MinceR | no | Apr 24 21:34 |
| _Goblin | and says I'm 20 miles from where I actually am | Apr 24 21:34 |
| MinceR | you can set present/away/brb/food/donotdisturb/offline | Apr 24 21:34 |
| formic_ | twitter doesn't say if you're actually online or not | Apr 24 21:34 |
| MinceR | and all your contacts can see it | Apr 24 21:34 |
| MinceR | and the notification of your status change is pushed to them | Apr 24 21:35 |
| _Goblin | .... | Apr 24 21:35 |
| formic_ | !google instant message | Apr 24 21:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Instant messaging - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant_messaging | Apr 24 21:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - AIM | Chat, Share, Connect | http://www.aim.com/ | Apr 24 21:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Yahoo! Messenger - Chat, Instant message, SMS, Video Call, PC Calls | http://messenger.yahoo.com/ | Apr 24 21:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - HowStuffWorks "How Instant Messaging Works" | http://computer.howstuffworks.com/e-mail-messaging/instant-messaging.htm | Apr 24 21:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Linux Australia ponders name change http://ur1.ca/933pd #linux | Apr 24 21:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] can #Chelsea do the very unlikely & hold out for the last few mins to put #Barca out? fair play to em if they can !football | Apr 24 21:35 | |
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| MinceR | a textual status message is also supported, at least in jabber | Apr 24 21:35 |
| _Goblin | MinceR, I didn't intend you to get in on this....I'm being flippant | Apr 24 21:35 |
| MinceR | :) | Apr 24 21:35 |
| _Goblin | you sort of ruined it..... | Apr 24 21:35 |
| formic_ | you're reminding me of msb___ but you're joking | Apr 24 21:35 |
| _Goblin | msb? | Apr 24 21:36 |
| _Goblin | ah aliens and 911..... | Apr 24 21:36 |
| formic_ | yeah lol | Apr 24 21:36 |
| _Goblin | a fine figure of a man. | Apr 24 21:36 |
| formic_ | i had to train him on irc a few weeks ago | Apr 24 21:36 |
| _Goblin | good god | Apr 24 21:36 |
| MinceR | what did you train him to do? | Apr 24 21:36 |
| formic_ | mincer - you were there | Apr 24 21:36 |
| formic_ | remember he couldnt figure any basic stuff out | Apr 24 21:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The Linux Foundation today announced that five new companies from Japan are joining the organization http://ur1.ca/933ra | Apr 24 21:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] What’s the only thing that you can’t get online? This. http://goo.gl/xXgds | Apr 24 21:36 | |
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| scientes | why is canonical so forking bass ackwards? | Apr 24 21:36 |
| prurigro | MinceR, have you tried muttin with xfce? | Apr 24 21:37 |
| MinceR | i already forgot, but it doesn't surprise me | Apr 24 21:37 |
| scientes | bzr? SERIOUSLY | Apr 24 21:37 |
| scientes | upstart? SERIOUSLY | Apr 24 21:37 |
| MinceR | prurigro: mutt? i haven't tried it much | Apr 24 21:37 |
| scientes | consolekit? SERIOUSLY | Apr 24 21:37 |
| formic_ | he kept complaining that his name kept getting __ on the end | Apr 24 21:37 |
| scientes | unity? SERIOUSLY | Apr 24 21:37 |
| _Goblin | MinceR, memory scrubbing, its MSB's aliens back again | Apr 24 21:37 |
| MinceR | scientes: unity? SERIOUSLY | Apr 24 21:37 |
| MinceR | oh, beat me to it | Apr 24 21:37 |
| formic_ | only to find out that there was another "msb" on freenode | Apr 24 21:37 |
| prurigro | MinceR, err whoops, mutter I meant | Apr 24 21:37 |
| prurigro | the wm | Apr 24 21:37 |
| MinceR | oh | Apr 24 21:37 |
| prurigro | XFaCE was trying to hook it up last night | Apr 24 21:37 |
| formic_ | msb's reptilians? | Apr 24 21:37 |
| MinceR | i'm sort of aware mutter exists, and that's about it | Apr 24 21:37 |
| _Goblin | formic_, are they reptiles? | Apr 24 21:38 |
| formic_ | _Goblin - pretty sure | Apr 24 21:38 |
| _Goblin | formic_, why can't they be cool like Vorlons or something | Apr 24 21:38 |
| MinceR | i was thinking about using Cairo Compositing Manager (or what it's called), but it wasn't mature when i last checked | Apr 24 21:38 |
| prurigro | ahh-- I was trying to read up and it seems like its either a form of metacity, or it hooks up to it | Apr 24 21:38 |
| MinceR | so i decided xcompmgr will be fine for now :> | Apr 24 21:38 |
| prurigro | cairo compositing manager no longer jives with an up to date system | Apr 24 21:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] well done to #Chelsea - finally #Tores delivers !football | Apr 24 21:38 | |
| formic_ | _Goblin - because his reptilians are fascist banksters, and the bush family are reptiles | Apr 24 21:38 |
| MinceR | i guess i could try metisse as well, if i had the time | Apr 24 21:38 |
| prurigro | and it was last updated in 2010, so I have a bad feeling | Apr 24 21:38 |
| formic_ | lol | Apr 24 21:38 |
| msb__ | Interesting disinfo campaign going on here. | Apr 24 21:38 |
| DaemonFC | Metisse is weird | Apr 24 21:38 |
| _Goblin | formic_, of course, its obvious....reptiles. bankers....how could I not have know? | Apr 24 21:39 |
| MinceR | it's based on fvwm, isn't it? | Apr 24 21:39 |
| formic_ | msb__ maybe we're fascist masons | Apr 24 21:39 |
| msb__ | When and where did I ever mention aliens or reptilians? | Apr 24 21:39 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Sawfish iirc | Apr 24 21:39 |
| _Goblin | Are the Bush family bankers? | Apr 24 21:39 |
| MinceR | ugh | Apr 24 21:39 |
| MinceR | sawfish sucked | Apr 24 21:39 |
| MinceR | the slowest WM i've ever tried | Apr 24 21:39 |
| MinceR | on X11, that is | Apr 24 21:39 |
| _Goblin | msb__, we are just having some fun.... | Apr 24 21:39 |
| formic_ | msb__ you've mentioned reptilians | Apr 24 21:39 |
| MinceR | it's probably still faster than the winblows kernel... | Apr 24 21:39 |
| _Goblin | msb__, you want to believe in reptiles....who is anyone to stop you..... | Apr 24 21:40 |
| msb__ | formic_: When and where? | Apr 24 21:40 |
| formic_ | !google site:techrights.org msb__ reptilians | Apr 24 21:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Conference - Society for Information Technology & Teacher Education | http://site.aace.org/conf/ | Apr 24 21:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Google Sites - Free websites and wikis | https://sites.google.com/ | Apr 24 21:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Site > Motivational Experiences | Business Results | http://www.siteglobal.com/ | Apr 24 21:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Site - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Site | Apr 24 21:40 |
| _Goblin | msb__, I personally believe in the planet of the Angelina Jolies.... | Apr 24 21:40 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Who ever said the Internet was "dying"? http://ur1.ca/933sn Must have missed something.... | Apr 24 21:40 | |
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| MinceR | _Goblin: how do they reproduce? | Apr 24 21:40 |
| _Goblin | cloning | Apr 24 21:40 |
| MinceR | :) | Apr 24 21:40 |
| _Goblin | I'll visit there one day | Apr 24 21:40 |
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| msb__ | And when and where did I say that masons are fascist? | Apr 24 21:41 |
| _Goblin | yesterday | Apr 24 21:41 |
| _Goblin | 10:06 | Apr 24 21:41 |
| _Goblin | and 42 seconds | Apr 24 21:41 |
| DaemonFC | pods | Apr 24 21:41 |
| DaemonFC | like communists do | Apr 24 21:41 |
| _Goblin | in the channel #wearejusthavingalaugh | Apr 24 21:42 |
| ThistleWeb | the communards? | Apr 24 21:42 |
| _Goblin | don't leave me this way | Apr 24 21:42 |
| ThistleWeb | lol | Apr 24 21:42 |
| _Goblin | cracking tune | Apr 24 21:42 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah | Apr 24 21:42 |
| msb__ | One of the Microsoft propagandists in COLA said he had gotten the best of me in #techrights, using a different ID, of course. | Apr 24 21:42 |
| DaemonFC | http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/obama-paid-off-student-loans-years-ago/story?id=16204817#.T5cP0_7fu5k | Apr 24 21:43 |
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| _Goblin | msb__, what best? | Apr 24 21:43 |
| msb__ | formic_ seems to be behind this little party. | Apr 24 21:43 |
| _Goblin | or is he ahead....and its all a clever ploy? | Apr 24 21:43 |
| ThistleWeb | <_Goblin> in the channel #wearejusthavingalaugh << not to be confused with "we're just shaving a giraffe" | Apr 24 21:43 |
| _Goblin | lol | Apr 24 21:43 |
| msb__ | _Goblin: that means beaten me in an argument. | Apr 24 21:43 |
| _Goblin | yes I gathered..... | Apr 24 21:44 |
| _Goblin | flippancy | Apr 24 21:44 |
| _Goblin | again | Apr 24 21:44 |
| ThistleWeb | those two always get mixed up in regular conversation | Apr 24 21:44 |
| _Goblin | meaning you've given your best here? Where? | Apr 24 21:44 |
| _Goblin | (said in jest) | Apr 24 21:44 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] If my mother-in-law can use Ubuntu Linux, anyone can http://ur1.ca/933w1 #ubuntu #gnu #linux | Apr 24 21:45 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: If my mother-in-law can use Ubuntu Linux, anyone can | ZDNet .::. Size~: 278.44 KB | Apr 24 21:45 |
| MinceR | apparently metisse is based on fvwm | Apr 24 21:45 |
| MinceR | which would make it rather powerful | Apr 24 21:45 |
| MinceR | if difficult to configure :> | Apr 24 21:45 |
| MinceR | (pdf) http://hal.archives-ouvertes.fr/docs/00/53/35/97/PDF/UIST05-metisse-av.pdf | Apr 24 21:45 |
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| DaemonFC` | death, taxes, and FGLRX | Apr 24 21:45 |
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| MinceR | sounds nasty | Apr 24 21:46 |
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| _Goblin | Thats Jono....... | Apr 24 21:46 |
| _Goblin | he's instructed DaemonFC 's Ubuntu rig to punish him for what he said earlier. | Apr 24 21:46 |
| MinceR | lol | Apr 24 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Apr 24 21:46 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Stop wasting time and money, make the Fedora 18 release name “Fedora 18″ http://ur1.ca/933xd hotdogs don't sell software... | Apr 24 21:46 | |
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| _Goblin | Blasphemy! | Apr 24 21:47 |
| _Goblin | Burn the heretic | Apr 24 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | this time a kernel panic instead of an X server hang | Apr 24 21:47 |
| _Goblin | oh | Apr 24 21:47 |
| MinceR | *BLAM* Heresy! | Apr 24 21:47 |
| _Goblin | thats probably Mark | Apr 24 21:47 |
| _Goblin | Jono handles the unexpected closing of apps | Apr 24 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | "Obama's stop in North Carolina was the first on a two-day, campaign-style swing through battleground states to reengage young voters who powered his historic 2008 campaign but seem less enthused about the 2012 election." | Apr 24 21:47 |
| _Goblin | Mark does the kernal panics | Apr 24 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | What could have possibly done that? | Apr 24 21:47 |
| MinceR | he can't do kernal panics, he didn't develop the OS for C64 :> | Apr 24 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | Was it the fact that he can have them arrested by the military and held without charge now? | Apr 24 21:47 |
| XFaCE | I'm playing a fucking trombone! | Apr 24 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | or the fact that his VP works for the MAFIAA? | Apr 24 21:48 |
| MinceR | (as much as one can call it an OS) | Apr 24 21:48 |
| XFaCE | yeaaaahhh! | Apr 24 21:48 |
| MinceR | well, i guess if DOS is an OS then so is KERNAL | Apr 24 21:48 |
| msb__ | Anyhow, here is an excellent tutorial on installing Trinity Desktop in Oneiric Ocelot Ubuntu, thus combining the best desktop environment with the most popular Linux distro: | Apr 24 21:50 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Ubuntu 12.10 Named ‘Quantal Quetzal’ - Nice name... | Apr 24 21:50 | |
| msb__ | http://www.howtogeek.com/106840/how-to-install-trinity-on-ubuntu-relive-kde-3/ | Apr 24 21:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: How To Install Trinity on Ubuntu & Relive KDE 3 - How-To Geek .::. Size~: 41.3 KB | Apr 24 21:50 |
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| *MinceR doesn't care for the "most popular Linux distro" :> | Apr 24 21:50 | |
| *prurigro +1s MinceR | Apr 24 21:50 | |
| prurigro | msb__, are you finally gonna update yer backbone for trinity? | Apr 24 21:51 |
| msb__ | Trinity (TDE) the continuation of KDE3, replaces the lousy DE that comes with Ubuntu. | Apr 24 21:51 |
| XFaCE | msb__: don't you use suse? | Apr 24 21:51 |
| prurigro | msb__, like this? http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=53785 | Apr 24 21:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: AUR (en) - trinity-kdebase .::. Size~: 11.41 KB | Apr 24 21:52 |
| msb__ | Yes I use Suse, so I just use KDE3. | Apr 24 21:52 |
| MinceR | iirc KDE3 support keeps him on SUSE | Apr 24 21:52 |
| XFaCE | trinity sucks | Apr 24 21:52 |
| XFaCE | I wish it didn't, but it just does | Apr 24 21:52 |
| XFaCE | Here's out hoping that Razor becomes a sort of successor to KDE 3 | Apr 24 21:53 |
| msb__ | XFaCE: in what way? | Apr 24 21:53 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Anyone surprised? » ‘Pay What You Want’ Works by Making People Feel Good http://ow.ly/auyz6 | Apr 24 21:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Kubuntu remains healthy http://ur1.ca/9340j #kubuntu #gnu #kde | Apr 24 21:53 | |
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| formic_ | 16:41 < msb__> formic_ seems to be behind this little party. | Apr 24 21:53 |
| formic_ | Yeah, I probably work for the tea party | Apr 24 21:53 |
| prurigro | XFaCE, have you used it? | Apr 24 21:54 |
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| XFaCE | prurigro: yeah | Apr 24 21:54 |
| XFaCE | it works ok | Apr 24 21:54 |
| prurigro | what's bad aboot it? | Apr 24 21:55 |
| XFaCE | prurigro: but the hoops it has to jimp thro are unacceptable | Apr 24 21:55 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC can explain better | Apr 24 21:55 |
| XFaCE | ... | Apr 24 21:55 |
| XFaCE | I said. DaemonFC can explain it better. | Apr 24 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | I just killed FGLRX in a fire | Apr 24 21:56 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Why does Trinity suck? | Apr 24 21:56 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Ubuntu 12.04 LTS Precise Pangolin Latest New Features http://ur1.ca/9341m #ubuntu #gnu #linux | Apr 24 21:56 | |
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| XFaCE | DaemonFC: you give a complete and excellent explaination | Apr 24 21:57 |
| _Goblin | right.... | Apr 24 21:57 |
| _Goblin | back from the smoke.... | Apr 24 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | lack of developer resources, duplicated things running side by side such as DCOP and DBUS, breaks compatibility with pretty much all kwin themes that were working in KDE 3.5.10, introduces bugs that were never in KDE 3 to begin with | Apr 24 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | tqt is slow | Apr 24 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | if you really want an xrender-based compositor, you could use KDE 4 with that option and fix the tearing by enabling EXA vsync | Apr 24 21:58 |
| DaemonFC | that's been an option in radeon since at least 3 years ago, it's just not on by default | Apr 24 21:59 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: do any of these flaws affect the user experience? | Apr 24 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | although the OpenGL equivalent of that is on by default | Apr 24 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | that's why the tearing goes away if you use an OpenGL compositor | Apr 24 21:59 |
| _Goblin | I personally am concerned with functionality.....eye candy and fluff is a secondary consideration....maybe I'm old fashioned.... | Apr 24 22:00 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Triple review - Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Linux Mint http://ur1.ca/92lxc #ubuntu #kde #linuxmint | Apr 24 22:00 | |
| DaemonFC | msb__, I'd say more bugs and worse performance probably are a concern for the end user | Apr 24 22:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Triple review - Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Linux Mint .::. Size~: 16.59 KB | Apr 24 22:00 |
| XFaCE | msb__: Err, when compatibility is broken, then yes, unless you like a broken system | Apr 24 22:00 |
| prurigro | hmm, the idea of making KDE work on a current system makes my arm hairs stand up enough to make me think a complete old system might actually be the better bet after considering it\ | Apr 24 22:00 |
| _Goblin | except for the fight I had with the taskbar...KDE was flawless for me. | Apr 24 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | there's nothing wrong with using xfce with xfwm so long as you enable EXA vsync | Apr 24 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | otherwise you're in for a less than pleasant window dragging experience :) | Apr 24 22:01 |
| _Goblin | how terrible... | Apr 24 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | the great thing about that is that it should have absolutely no performance drag on games | Apr 24 22:01 |
| _Goblin | stuff actually doing things on a PC as long as you can drag your windows pleasantly.... | Apr 24 22:02 |
| prurigro | DaemonFC, think that might fix XFaCE's issues? | Apr 24 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | you can even turn glxswapbufferswait off and get better performance in games without tearing in your desktop window management | Apr 24 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | _Goblin, When the fix is easy it makes no sense to not fix something | Apr 24 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 24 22:02 |
| _Goblin | or....... you can get even better performance by using a console to play em...... | Apr 24 22:02 |
| MinceR | not really | Apr 24 22:02 |
| MinceR | consoles tend to be underpowered | Apr 24 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | it does tend to frustrate me when I can't move windows around as smoothly as Windows 95 could | Apr 24 22:03 |
| _Goblin | underpowered but dedicated to the cause of gaming..... | Apr 24 22:03 |
| MinceR | also, i'm not sure if consoles can drive displays in the resolutions a PC can drive them | Apr 24 22:03 |
| _Goblin | I doubt Space Marine would anytime soon appear natively for Linux | Apr 24 22:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Chakra Archimedes-2012.04 review http://ur1.ca/9345a #gnu #linux | Apr 24 22:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] Just uploaded my first "video" to YouTube. Love #OpenShot Videoeditor, in combination with #LibreOffice Impress I can do better. #gnu #linux | Apr 24 22:03 | |
| msb__ | KDE3 -- kwin -- moves windows very smoothly on my old dual core AMD 5200. | Apr 24 22:03 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, with kernel mode setting it can | Apr 24 22:03 |
| XFaCE | [16:59] <DaemonFC> there's nothing wrong with using xfce with xfwm so long as you enable EXA vsync | Apr 24 22:03 |
| MinceR | _Goblin: also dedicated to the causes of DRM and lockdown | Apr 24 22:03 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: how does one do this? | Apr 24 22:03 |
| _Goblin | but then its a choice....... | Apr 24 22:04 |
| XFaCE | And can it be done with Intel GMAs? | Apr 24 22:04 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: a gaming console? | Apr 24 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | if you use a framebuffer driver then it will use a resolution recognized by VESA | Apr 24 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | which is almost certainly much lower than a modern display / GPU | Apr 24 22:04 |
| formic_ | 16:56 < DaemonFC> lack of developer resources, duplicated things running... | Apr 24 22:04 |
| formic_ | +1 | Apr 24 22:04 |
| _Goblin | you can play Gbrainy if you want the src....Space Marine if you don't......for me the answer is quite simple...I know which one I want to play. | Apr 24 22:04 |
| MinceR | i prefer Xonotic | Apr 24 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | XFaCE, read the manpage for Intel | Apr 24 22:04 |
| formic_ | daemonfc - none of those things you mentioned are problems unless they stop 20+ virtual desktops from working | Apr 24 22:04 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #PCLinuxOS 2012 #KDE Review http://ur1.ca/9346s | Apr 24 22:05 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: PCLinuxOS 2012 KDE Review .::. Size~: 79.81 KB | Apr 24 22:05 |
| _Goblin | mincer, I would agree that drm is a pain, however if you choose to purchase a title on the basis of the developer making a decision to deploy it, then you have nobody to blame but yourself... | Apr 24 22:05 |
| _Goblin | like I say, you can play Gbrainy if you feel you want the freedom....me personally I'll take any drm and space marine any day. | Apr 24 22:06 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Ok, how would you do it generally? | Apr 24 22:06 |
| MinceR | _Goblin: if i really wanted to play a game that's only available on a console, i might buy a console, but that won't make me consider consoles the ultimate gaming platform | Apr 24 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | in radeon it's Option "EXAVsync" "true" in the xorg.conf | Apr 24 22:07 |
| MinceR | _Goblin: not without free software, not without homebrew gaming, not without proper modding, etc. | Apr 24 22:07 |
| MinceR | _Goblin: not to mention that their CPUs and GPUs are a lot less powerful than what's available for a PC | Apr 24 22:07 |
| _Goblin | true and its game dependant ... I'd say I've enjoyed MUD games for longer than anything on a console...however.... | Apr 24 22:07 |
| MinceR | _Goblin: also, they tend to not support keyboards and mice, so my favorite genres (FPS, RTS) are out | Apr 24 22:08 |
| _Goblin | PS3's do | Apr 24 22:08 |
| _Goblin | and the 360 | Apr 24 22:08 |
| MinceR | but do their games also support them? | Apr 24 22:08 |
| _Goblin | I haven't got a list of the ones that do... | Apr 24 22:08 |
| MinceR | properly | Apr 24 22:08 |
| _Goblin | I believe..... | Apr 24 22:08 |
| _Goblin | the modern games such as Elderscrolls will.... | Apr 24 22:09 |
| MinceR | and do they become a total pushover if you're using a keyboard and a mouse since they're designed for gamepads? :> | Apr 24 22:09 |
| _Goblin | but to be fair, I can't say categorically. | Apr 24 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | vsync with EXA just limits your desktop to the refresh rate of your monitor, glxswapbufferswait will limit all of your OpenGL applications to the refresh rate of your monitor | Apr 24 22:09 |
| DaemonFC | which will fix tearing on your desktop if you use an OpenGL-based compositor at the expense of being overhead on things that are really performance critical, like games | Apr 24 22:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I'd never considered it before, but !IRC requires a special kind of multitasking :) | Apr 24 22:10 | |
| DaemonFC | choosing what to render, what to throw away, or worse, half-rendering a frame and throwing it away isn't free | Apr 24 22:10 |
| DaemonFC | it's confusing because with 2d/EXA you get the X driver (ddx) responsible for how it will avoid tearing, if it does at all | Apr 24 22:11 |
| DaemonFC | and with OpenGL, you have to set a different preference | Apr 24 22:11 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: "We are pleased to present this major release of the xf86-video-intel | Apr 24 22:11 |
| XFaCE | driver. This release is very similar to the 2.7.99.902 release | Apr 24 22:11 |
| XFaCE | candidate but includes a couple of additional bug fixes, (for bugs | Apr 24 22:11 |
| XFaCE | #22760 and @22483). | Apr 24 22:11 |
| XFaCE | Compared to the 2.7 releases this driver contains several new features | Apr 24 22:11 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @x11r5: @mvdan It's one those days i am also following @x11r5 identicurse? | Apr 24 22:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Linux Australia: a new name is the least of the problems http://ur1.ca/934a4 #linux #au | Apr 24 22:11 | |
| XFaCE | and many bug fixes. The driver now depends on X server 1.6 or later, | Apr 24 22:11 |
| XFaCE | and eliminates several obsolete code paths, (XAA and EXA removed in | Apr 24 22:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: iTWire - Linux Australia: a new name is the least of the problems .::. Size~: 45.58 KB | Apr 24 22:12 |
| XFaCE | favor of UXA, DRI1 support eliminated). The driver certainly will work | Apr 24 22:12 |
| XFaCE | best with an i915 module from a recent kernel (2.6.31) and with | Apr 24 22:12 |
| XFaCE | kernel-modesetting (KMS, specified by loading i915 with the option | Apr 24 22:12 |
| XFaCE | "modeset=1")." | Apr 24 22:12 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Translation: I'm fucked? | Apr 24 22:12 |
| DaemonFC | UXA is just EXA for Intel | Apr 24 22:12 |
| DaemonFC | they forked it some time back and "optimized it" for Intel GMA | Apr 24 22:12 |
| XFaCE | ok | Apr 24 22:12 |
| XFaCE | is it compatible with xrender? | Apr 24 22:12 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Apr 24 22:13 |
| DaemonFC | xrender can be either software-accelerated which is slow and murder on your CPU..... | Apr 24 22:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Firefox Puts an End to the Favicon http://ur1.ca/934bi #mozilla #firefox | Apr 24 22:13 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Firefox Puts an End to the Favicon | Geekosystem .::. Size~: 57.92 KB | Apr 24 22:13 |
| DaemonFC | but if your ddx supports EXA or UXA, it will accelerate xrender using those, on your card's 3d engine | Apr 24 22:13 |
| DaemonFC | xrender performance can be really good or plain terrible | Apr 24 22:14 |
| XFaCE | ddx? | Apr 24 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | it mostly depends on the ddx | Apr 24 22:14 |
| fewt | Firefox 12, looks like I have work to do tonight. :/ | Apr 24 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | the driver for the X server | Apr 24 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | if it doesn't support EXA or UXA, you probably don't want to use xrender because it will cause your CPU usage to go through the roof | Apr 24 22:15 |
| DaemonFC | but, anything recent from Nvidia, AMD, or Intel should handle it fine | Apr 24 22:15 |
| XFaCE | ok | Apr 24 22:15 |
| *jono (~jono@ubuntu/member/jono) has joined #techrights | Apr 24 22:15 | |
| XFaCE | So there should be a setting like uxavsync? | Apr 24 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | Nvidia and AMD's proprietary drivers don't have EXA, but they have their own 2d acceleration methods that can accelerate xrender properly | Apr 24 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | not sure what Intel calls it | Apr 24 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | or even how to set it | Apr 24 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | I don't have anything from them | Apr 24 22:16 |
| XFaCE | bugger | Apr 24 22:17 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/93036722 | Apr 24 22:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Sander (sandersch)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Apr-12 20:48:30 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz there is indeed to much to do about nothing. | Apr 24 22:18 |
| schestowitz | jono: you should redesign Mark's blog, you have the spark. his blog has always looked like some incognito account of some random person.. | Apr 24 22:19 |
| DaemonFC | really, radeon and Nouveau 2d blows FGLRX and Nvidia out of the water | Apr 24 22:19 |
| jono | schestowitz :-) | Apr 24 22:19 |
| DaemonFC | it's 3d that isn't always pleasant | Apr 24 22:20 |
| jono | I think he likes the simple design | Apr 24 22:20 |
| schestowitz | it hardly had his name in it | Apr 24 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | they're good enough to run an OpenGL composited desktop though | Apr 24 22:20 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @schestowitz Firefox Puts an End to the Favicon http://ur1.ca/934bi #mozilla #firefox | Apr 24 22:20 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Firefox Puts an End to the Favicon | Geekosystem .::. Size~: 57.88 KB | Apr 24 22:20 |
| schestowitz | people won't link to that or recognise it, some add some remark on whose blog it is, because without it context is missing... and his titles too are too value | Apr 24 22:20 |
| schestowitz | *vague | Apr 24 22:20 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Maddow: ‘I think Ron Paul just won Iowa’ | The Raw Story http://goo.gl/B4ys6 | Apr 24 22:23 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Maddow: ‘I think Ron Paul just won Iowa’ | The Raw Story .::. Size~: 66.51 KB | Apr 24 22:23 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/93037664 | Apr 24 22:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @foonetic (lnxwalt) (lnxwalt)'s status on Tuesday, 24-Apr-12 21:19:36 UTC - IMICROBLOG: Intelligent Microblogging: I wish they'd go one step further and stop pretending EV certs are more secure. | Apr 24 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | I think it's a mistake for Ubuntu to be trying to run Compiz with direct rendering on FGLRX anyway | Apr 24 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | even though it doesn't crash immediately (lately), eventually it will | Apr 24 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | it seems to have race issues when you run other applications that also try to use direct rendering | Apr 24 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | in fact, FGLRX tries to force indirect rendering if it detects Compiz and Ubuntu is tricking it into not doing that | Apr 24 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | it does no good trying to talk with any of them, they'll just delete your posts, ban you from their IRC channels | Apr 24 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | whatever it takes so that people don't pick up on the fact that Ubuntu is full of hacks and bugs | Apr 24 22:26 |
| DaemonFC | most people will just see the problem as "Hmm, my system crashes sometimes" | Apr 24 22:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Badewanne. Quietscheente, alles ist gut. | Apr 24 22:26 | |
| formic_ | 17:07 <@MinceR> but do their games also support them? | Apr 24 22:27 |
| formic_ | 17:07 <@_Goblin> I haven't got a list of the ones that do... | Apr 24 22:27 |
| _Goblin | imitation is the sincerest form of flattery | Apr 24 22:27 |
| formic_ | theres software you can get for linux that when used with a bluetooth device, will emulate the ps3 gamepad using your keyboard and mouse | Apr 24 22:27 |
| formic_ | works with every game | Apr 24 22:28 |
| _Goblin | yeah...that wasn't quite the point of the discussion.... | Apr 24 22:28 |
| _Goblin | I think MinceR was remarking that some games are better with mouse and keyboard, rather than gamepad. | Apr 24 22:28 |
| DaemonFC | they shouldn't be trying to be "cute" when they're dealing with proprietary software that has a long history of severe and often crash-inducing bugs | Apr 24 22:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Fedora 17 + Xfce 4.10 http://ur1.ca/934iw #fedora #xfce | Apr 24 22:28 | |
| DaemonFC | but, they are | Apr 24 22:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: nicu's FOSS'n'stuff: Fedora 17 + Xfce 4.10 .::. Size~: 135.84 KB | Apr 24 22:28 |
| DaemonFC | and their reputation will suffer for it | Apr 24 22:28 |
| MinceR | what _Goblin said. | Apr 24 22:28 |
| formic_ | if they are better than a gamepad, you can do it on ps3 | Apr 24 22:28 |
| formic_ | :) | Apr 24 22:29 |
| formic_ | killzone 3 is soooo much better with kb + mouse | Apr 24 22:29 |
| _Goblin | only played it with joypad | Apr 24 22:29 |
| formic_ | a $10 usb bluetooth dongle is also cheaper than a $60 ps3 controller | Apr 24 22:29 |
| MinceR | of course it's better, it's an FPS | Apr 24 22:29 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 24 22:30 |
| msb__ | Here it is. Microsoft agent "Foster" says he's been in this channel: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/95e97389e23f7680 | Apr 24 22:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft's Sociopath Propaganda Agent Finds Human Affection "Very Strange" and "Unusual" - comp.os.linux.advocacy | Google Groups .::. Size~: 64.71 KB | Apr 24 22:30 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] A look at the new Plasma Active File Browser http://ur1.ca/934jv #kde #plasma | Apr 24 22:30 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The Linux Experience: A look at the new Plasma Active File Browser .::. Size~: 80.3 KB | Apr 24 22:30 |
| _Goblin | msb__, foster loitering around here is old news.... | Apr 24 22:30 |
| formic_ | foster works for microsoft? | Apr 24 22:30 |
| _Goblin | and if he's not loitering here he is trawling the logs when they are published.... | Apr 24 22:30 |
| _Goblin | nah, I doubt it | Apr 24 22:30 |
| msb__ | _Goblin: what nick does Foster use here? | Apr 24 22:31 |
| formic_ | he could be a paid astroturfer | Apr 24 22:31 |
| _Goblin | I would think he is a small business owner with little business and too much time on his hands, who sees what little work he gets eaten away by people moving to free software. | Apr 24 22:31 |
| MinceR | what does he mean by "mc"? | Apr 24 22:31 |
| _Goblin | msb__, there could be a few...or maybe he just trawls the logs..... | Apr 24 22:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] #Firefox 12 released - can now update itself - The H Open Source: News and Features http://goo.gl/rBtrI | Apr 24 22:32 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Firefox 12 released - can now update itself - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 44.54 KB | Apr 24 22:32 |
| _Goblin | its his time...not ours. | Apr 24 22:32 |
| MinceR | yes, that's what i'm suspecting | Apr 24 22:32 |
| MinceR | but i don't quite understand what he's saying | Apr 24 22:32 |
| MinceR | so i can't really tell. | Apr 24 22:32 |
| MinceR | oh, he does imply he was on the channel. | Apr 24 22:32 |
| msb__ | MinceR: mc is Midnight Commander, a curses-type filemanager and editor with many features. | Apr 24 22:32 |
| MinceR | also, i realized what he meant | Apr 24 22:32 |
| _Goblin | he implies alot of things... | Apr 24 22:32 |
| MinceR | yes, now i remember the discussion :) | Apr 24 22:32 |
| _Goblin | nobody listens.... | Apr 24 22:33 |
| _Goblin | and he's caged within Usenet...how much mainstream exposure is there to his silliness? | Apr 24 22:33 |
| formic_ | COLA is just a bin of crazies | Apr 24 22:33 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Fedora 18 Might Be A Frankfurter Or Spherical Cow http://ur1.ca/934m7 #gnu #linux | Apr 24 22:33 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: [Phoronix] Fedora 18 Might Be A Frankfurter Or Spherical Cow .::. Size~: 19.99 KB | Apr 24 22:33 |
| formic_ | crazies on both sides of the conflict | Apr 24 22:33 |
| _Goblin | thats why I don't think he's paid by anyone......what a waste of money...if he was going to shill, he would be paid to do it in a bigger exposure place than a newsgroup in cola | Apr 24 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | most ISPs don't offer usenet | Apr 24 22:34 |
| MinceR | _Goblin: can they get anyone but loonies on their side? | Apr 24 22:34 |
| MinceR | for shills, i mean? | Apr 24 22:34 |
| fewt | Having been accused of being a shill time and time again I have to question anyone being called a shill | Apr 24 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think it's worth paying for | Apr 24 22:34 |
| formic_ | fewt - everyone is a shill for something | Apr 24 22:34 |
| MinceR | maybe they can't get better | Apr 24 22:34 |
| _Goblin | Its desperate people.....give a blogger a gift he'll shill for a lifetime | Apr 24 22:34 |
| formic_ | fewt - when people are on your side, you're an advocate. | Apr 24 22:34 |
| MinceR | right, it can also be cheap | Apr 24 22:34 |
| fewt | formic_ fair point, to a point | Apr 24 22:34 |
| msb__ | Microsoft has so much money they can afford to cover small forums. | Apr 24 22:34 |
| MinceR | m$ can hand out sw licenses and some people will shill for them in exchange for that | Apr 24 22:35 |
| _Goblin | I don't think they would bother.... | Apr 24 22:35 |
| MinceR | and it costs them nothing | Apr 24 22:35 |
| formic_ | If I were the government I would dismantel microsoft and take the money and put it into stuff that helps people | Apr 24 22:35 |
| _Goblin | msb__, because the way its done, if ever exposed would do more harm than good. | Apr 24 22:35 |
| MinceR | formic_: i'd go further than that | Apr 24 22:35 |
| _Goblin | msb__, can you really see anyone paying for the efforts of a usenet microsoft advocate? | Apr 24 22:35 |
| fewt | I've been called a Microsoft shill a few times but I've never seen a check, or talked anyone there other than in a support capacity. | Apr 24 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | formic_, I'd declare war on the Salvation Army | Apr 24 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | there would be blood and platform shoes everywhere | Apr 24 22:36 |
| MinceR | lol | Apr 24 22:36 |
| MinceR | platform shoes? | Apr 24 22:36 |
| fewt | so, when people start playing the "shill" card, it just makes me think they are dumb. :P | Apr 24 22:36 |
| formic_ | fewt - someone who was being paid by microsoft *would* say that | Apr 24 22:36 |
| _Goblin | msb__, I don't care how much money MS has.....its completely pointless...do you think anyone but the interested users in COLA actually read the threads? | Apr 24 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, They run thrift stores | Apr 24 22:36 |
| MinceR | :) | Apr 24 22:36 |
| fewt | formic_ meh tin foil hat stuff | Apr 24 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | not that there's anything wrong with going to thrift stores | Apr 24 22:36 |
| MinceR | fewt: that's another thing someone who's being paid by them would say :> | Apr 24 22:36 |
| msb__ | _Goblin: according to google, cola has thousands of subscribers. | Apr 24 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | it's just that a large amount of stuff in there will be junk | Apr 24 22:36 |
| _Goblin | better the MS advocates caged in Usenet, providing reason for Free Software advocates to keep advocating than out in more public forums on the net. | Apr 24 22:36 |
| formic_ | nothing wrong with tin foil hats | Apr 24 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | and it was either that or the dump | Apr 24 22:37 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Seems PR agency is hiring students for a Pro-ACTA demonstration. 100 € for 2 hours. Disgusting, much? http://twitter... http://b1t.it/bmF7 | Apr 24 22:37 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Couldn't resolve host 'twitter...' ( http://twitter... ) | Apr 24 22:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Jan Wildeboer - Google+ - Seems PR agency is hiring students for a Pro-ACTA… .::. Size~: 130.84 KB | Apr 24 22:37 |
| *fewt sighs | Apr 24 22:37 | |
| formic_ | msb__> _Goblin: according to google, cola has thousands of subscribers. | Apr 24 22:37 |
| formic_ | thousands of flatfish alts | Apr 24 22:37 |
| _Goblin | msb__, yes...thousands.... | Apr 24 22:37 |
| _Goblin | msb__, not a big deal in the scale of the internet....and I'd hardly imagine any of them are the mainstream buying public | Apr 24 22:37 |
| formic_ | cola is just snit and flatfish fighting each other, and everyone else is an alt of them | Apr 24 22:37 |
| _Goblin | they don't fight each other.... | Apr 24 22:37 |
| _Goblin | its the other MS advocate Michael has had a barney with | Apr 24 22:38 |
| formic_ | maybe snit = flatfish | Apr 24 22:38 |
| _Goblin | nah. | Apr 24 22:38 |
| formic_ | its all fighting amongst his multiple personalities | Apr 24 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, If you don't mind your apartment looking like something out of the 70s, a lot of the furniture there is not in bad condition | Apr 24 22:38 |
| formic_ | Snit is pretty psycho | Apr 24 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | just really dated :) | Apr 24 22:38 |
| formic_ | he replied to my comment only 4 minutes | Apr 24 22:38 |
| formic_ | on techrights.org | Apr 24 22:38 |
| formic_ | my comment was a 3 day post reply to one of his | Apr 24 22:39 |
| _Goblin | formic_, I think Michael gets wound up easily by others and says things to upset others (as they upset him) causing a vicious circle. | Apr 24 22:39 |
| fewt | I do think it is entertaining though that people are quick to put FUD in Fuduntu. heh | Apr 24 22:39 |
| formic_ | Isn't Fuduntu = Linsux distro ? | Apr 24 22:40 |
| _Goblin | I thought Linsux had disapeared years ago | Apr 24 22:40 |
| msb__ | Several anonymous anti-linux cola posters have posted over 29,000 articles each. No way that's just "people with time on their hands". | Apr 24 22:40 |
| MinceR | fewt: i thought it was intentional | Apr 24 22:41 |
| fewt | no | Apr 24 22:41 |
| _Goblin | really? its not just someone who maybe is desperate, can't let something go and has too much time on their hands? | Apr 24 22:41 |
| _Goblin | why COLA then.... | Apr 24 22:41 |
| fewt | It has been adopted as "the distro of omgcc" | Apr 24 22:41 |
| fewt | but it isn't a linsux distro | Apr 24 22:41 |
| _Goblin | why not hit the comments section like Cnet and target a much larger audience. | Apr 24 22:41 |
| fewt | linsux is dead | Apr 24 22:41 |
| fewt | MinceR it is intentional that it is funny | Apr 24 22:42 |
| MinceR | oh, they call linsux "omgcc" now? :> | Apr 24 22:42 |
| fewt | yeah | Apr 24 22:42 |
| _Goblin | 30,000 posts could get far more exposure on a mainstream site rather than some newsgroup on usenet. | Apr 24 22:42 |
| fewt | because it isn't about Linux hate | Apr 24 22:42 |
| fewt | :) | Apr 24 22:42 |
| MinceR | sounds like a rebranding | Apr 24 22:42 |
| fewt | hasn't been for a long time before it stopped being linsux | Apr 24 22:42 |
| fewt | It's just a parody site | Apr 24 22:42 |
| msb__ | _Goblin: but if they posted 130 comments per day to a mainstream site they'd get blocked. | Apr 24 22:43 |
| XFaCE | !google Microsoft Linux | Apr 24 22:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Microsoft Linux - the premier linux distro | http://www.mslinux.org/ | Apr 24 22:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Microsoft Cracks List of Top Linux Contributors | Wired Enterprise ... | http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/04/microsoft-and-linux/ | Apr 24 22:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Who helps make Linux? Microsoft. | ZDNet | http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/who-helps-make-linux-microsoft/10704 | Apr 24 22:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Microsoft cracks top 20 list of Linux contributors, not entirely by ... | http://www.theverge.com/2012/4/4/2924372/microsoft-linux-kernel-hyper-v-driver-gpl | Apr 24 22:43 |
| fewt | we make fun of each other mostly | Apr 24 22:43 |
| XFaCE | http://www.mslinux.org/ | Apr 24 22:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft Linux - the premier linux distro .::. Size~: 21.88 KB | Apr 24 22:43 |
| _Goblin | msb__, why? if they removed the bad language and "phobias" they could post their "opinions" | Apr 24 22:43 |
| _Goblin | what good are jokes about "pee pee" aimed at Linux users doing? | Apr 24 22:43 |
| _Goblin | nothing.... | Apr 24 22:44 |
| _Goblin | its certainly not converting anyone to their POV | Apr 24 22:44 |
| msb__ | It tells people that if they use Linux they'll be attacked like that. | Apr 24 22:44 |
| _Goblin | all its doing is creating a rallying cry for more free software advocacy | Apr 24 22:44 |
| _Goblin | creating the pantomime bad guy so to speak | Apr 24 22:44 |
| _Goblin | msb__, its not telling anyone... | Apr 24 22:44 |
| msb__ | _Goblin: That's the rational response. | Apr 24 22:44 |
| msb__ | _Goblin: I'm talking about the subconscious response. | Apr 24 22:45 |
| _Goblin | ask a mainstream consumer if they even know what usenet is, let alone have read a thread there. | Apr 24 22:45 |
| _Goblin | Microsoft won't make money from a handful of advocates switching viewpoints.... | Apr 24 22:45 |
| _Goblin | they want numbers. | Apr 24 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | when I think of the word consumer, I picture a swarm of locusts | Apr 24 22:45 |
| MinceR | loud advocates can help | Apr 24 22:45 |
| MinceR | word-of-mouth marketing | Apr 24 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | each devouring a little bit of the Earth | Apr 24 22:45 |
| msb__ | MS will make some money from it. | Apr 24 22:45 |
| fewt | Microsoft makes enough money, they don't need to pay advocates to sit in forums and usenet. | Apr 24 22:45 |
| MinceR | astroturfing | Apr 24 22:45 |
| fewt | they do astroturf though | Apr 24 22:46 |
| fewt | but not small fish sites because why? | Apr 24 22:46 |
| MinceR | they're scared shitless of losing their position | Apr 24 22:46 |
| _Goblin | MinceR, very true.....but it can't compete with an apethetic consumer and tv advertising in the grand scheme of things | Apr 24 22:46 |
| MinceR | _Goblin: i suspect that "that nerd you know" can have more of a say than "a tv ad you saw" even to those people | Apr 24 22:46 |
| _Goblin | like I say the astroturfing I believe are 3rd parties with an interest in seeing MS keep its monopoly.... | Apr 24 22:47 |
| formic_ | msb__ nobody even uses COLA except the crazies | Apr 24 22:47 |
| fewt | not anymore, anyone that installed Ubuntu last week is todays "that nerd you know" | Apr 24 22:47 |
| formic_ | nobody pays attention to them | Apr 24 22:47 |
| fewt | it isn't like it used to be when "nerds" were smart. | Apr 24 22:47 |
| msb__ | ms has so much money it can afford to use some in small forums even if the utility is uncertain. | Apr 24 22:47 |
| formic_ | you won't see Linus give up cause of something some idiot says in COLA | Apr 24 22:47 |
| _Goblin | the PC repair guy does not want people experimenting with Linux, they want them sticking with windows and its hosts of problems that they can charge to fix | Apr 24 22:47 |
| fewt | now "nerd" just means hipster. | Apr 24 22:47 |
| MinceR | fewt: but do the apathetic consumers know that? | Apr 24 22:47 |
| fewt | no, sadly | Apr 24 22:47 |
| _Goblin | and breaking news here..... | Apr 24 22:47 |
| MinceR | so it could still work | Apr 24 22:47 |
| prurigro | are there still apathetic consumers out there? | Apr 24 22:47 |
| MinceR | probably | Apr 24 22:48 |
| _Goblin | the vast majority of computer users really don't care what is running as long as it is.... | Apr 24 22:48 |
| prurigro | I haven't run into one in so long now | Apr 24 22:48 |
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| fewt | till hipster ubuntu nerd converts them and they OMG I Can't Quickbooks!!1 | Apr 24 22:48 |
| prurigro | and it used to seem like everyone was | Apr 24 22:48 |
| msb__ | formic_: I write in COLA, so does Homer, Rex Ballard, and various other sane and intelligent Linux users. | Apr 24 22:48 |
| MinceR | it still seems like that to me | Apr 24 22:48 |
| _Goblin | the transient loyalties of the consumer are examples of apethy....the ins and outs of tech they are just not interested in. | Apr 24 22:48 |
| msb__ | COLA is not just "crazies". | Apr 24 22:49 |
| _Goblin | they work on a basis of fashions, trends and what their mates have. | Apr 24 22:49 |
| _Goblin | try convincing your non tech interested mother to use open source software when all she wants to do is send a few emails in Outlook | Apr 24 22:49 |
| msb__ | formic_: What is you actual identity? | Apr 24 22:50 |
| _Goblin | lol | Apr 24 22:50 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Beefy Miracle Beta Review http://ur1.ca/934wb #fedora #gnu #linux | Apr 24 22:50 | |
| msb__ | you -> your | Apr 24 22:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Praveen Kumar: Beefy Miracle Beta Review .::. Size~: 223.11 KB | Apr 24 22:50 |
| prurigro | _Goblin, well I mean, some people just don't have the brain for decoding the toolchain of life you know/ | Apr 24 22:50 |
| prurigro | doesn't mean they don't care though | Apr 24 22:50 |
| msb__ | I use my real name. My phone number is in my domain record. | Apr 24 22:50 |
| prurigro | msb__, oh you, so accountable | Apr 24 22:51 |
| prurigro | :) | Apr 24 22:51 |
| _Goblin | prurigro, but just because to them computing is not the be all and end all does not make them mentally inferior. | Apr 24 22:51 |
| msb__ | I'm honest. I tell the truth as accurately as I can identify it. | Apr 24 22:51 |
| _Goblin | they probably have area's of expertise which you would not care about | Apr 24 22:51 |
| _Goblin | sooo msb..... | Apr 24 22:51 |
| _Goblin | tell us about these lizards.... | Apr 24 22:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Fighting US Revisionism⇒Coupland creates statue to mark War of #1812 http://www.ur1.ca/934vq !CDNpoli I like the toy soldier look to this | Apr 24 22:51 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Coupland creates statue to mark War of 1812 - Arts & Entertainment - CBC News .::. Size~: 50.79 KB | Apr 24 22:52 |
| _Goblin | ;) | Apr 24 22:52 |
| _Goblin | I fancied a lizard once you know - (now theres something for the Microsoft advocates to qoute) | Apr 24 22:52 |
| prurigro | _Goblin, that wasn't my attempted implication-- they likely have a mind for another angle of things that ends up being just as useful in another aspect of a solid social structure | Apr 24 22:52 |
| _Goblin | it was that woman called Anna from the new sci-fi show V..... | Apr 24 22:52 |
| formic_ | 17:48 < msb__> formic_: What is you actual identity? | Apr 24 22:53 |
| formic_ | Norland Dieport | Apr 24 22:53 |
| _Goblin | she was apparently a lizzard under a fake human skin... | Apr 24 22:53 |
| msb__ | formic_ said he had to instruct me in using irc, but that was a lie. I've been using it for a long time. Someone complained about the server adding underscores to my nick and I asked how to stop that. | Apr 24 22:53 |
| formic_ | the rest is MYOB | Apr 24 22:53 |
| formic_ | msb__ I'll post the irc logs later | Apr 24 22:53 |
| prurigro | msb__, he's lying, his real name is actually Snorford Snefferlosseng | Apr 24 22:53 |
| formic_ | I had to explain all this shit to you | Apr 24 22:53 |
| _Goblin | what sh*t? | Apr 24 22:54 |
| formic_ | right after you had said we don't think because we didnt believe your thermite theory | Apr 24 22:54 |
| _Goblin | where do the lizards come in ? | Apr 24 22:54 |
| formic_ | nickserv help, how to use a script in konversation, etc | Apr 24 22:54 |
| _Goblin | I believe in thermite....its an explosive isn't it? | Apr 24 22:54 |
| prurigro | I believe they're the ones poisoning the water hole | Apr 24 22:54 |
| prurigro | (lizards) | Apr 24 22:54 |
| _Goblin | cool | Apr 24 22:55 |
| formic_ | _Goblin - he says thermite was used by the US government and israel to blow up the twin towers | Apr 24 22:55 |
| formic_ | on 9/11 | Apr 24 22:55 |
| msb__ | I've been using irc for more than a year. | Apr 24 22:55 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Senate bill would make unconstitutional anti-stalking law even more unconstitutional https://eff.org/r.3Zj | Apr 24 22:55 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Senate Bill Would Make Unconstitutional Anti-Stalking Law Even More Unconstitutional | Electronic Frontier Foundation .::. Size~: 37.99 KB | Apr 24 22:55 |
| DaemonFC | I guess I may as well take my walk here in a few minutes | Apr 24 22:55 |
| formic_ | msb__ you even admitted to knowing nothing about irc | Apr 24 22:55 |
| _Goblin | formic_, why did they do that? hadn't a plane already flown into it. | Apr 24 22:55 |
| DaemonFC | I walk at night a lot in the summer | Apr 24 22:55 |
| formic_ | I made fun because you know C and Bash, but couldn't figure out IRC | Apr 24 22:55 |
| _Goblin | whats IRC? | Apr 24 22:55 |
| DaemonFC | I can't stand being outside when it's too hot | Apr 24 22:55 |
| formic_ | _Goblin - the jet fuel isn't hot enough to melt steel | Apr 24 22:56 |
| formic_ | you need thermite to bring it down | Apr 24 22:56 |
| formic_ | supposedly | Apr 24 22:56 |
| _Goblin | of course...silly me... | Apr 24 22:56 |
| _Goblin | so they used Marmite? | Apr 24 22:56 |
| msb__ | Thermite was used below ground, explosives above. | Apr 24 22:56 |
| _Goblin | yep.....I'm digging that. | Apr 24 22:56 |
| formic_ | http://xkcd.com/966/ | Apr 24 22:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: xkcd: Jet Fuel .::. Size~: 6.22 KB | Apr 24 22:56 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Even the 18th Century had spindoctors: Reading the Statute of Anne: http://www.copyrighthistory.com/anne.html !copyright | Apr 24 22:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @eff Senate bill would make unconstitutional anti-stalking law even more unconstitutional https://eff.org/r.3Zj | Apr 24 22:57 | |
| formic_ | I think the chemtrail chemicals actually burn hot enough to do it | Apr 24 22:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: History of Copyright: Statute of Anne, 1710 .::. Size~: 4.9 KB | Apr 24 22:57 |
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| prurigro | you know, the whole human race is just one big sexual conspiracy by those damn homo erectus | Apr 24 22:57 |
| ThistleWeb | life is the ultimate STD | Apr 24 22:57 |
| msb__ | I know enough about IRC to have used it since last March. | Apr 24 22:57 |
| _Goblin | so I still want to know where these lizards come in.... | Apr 24 22:57 |
| ThistleWeb | V | Apr 24 22:58 |
| _Goblin | wasn't Anna hot? | Apr 24 22:58 |
| ThistleWeb | it's a docuemntary | Apr 24 22:58 |
| _Goblin | I thought so! | Apr 24 22:58 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Sweet dreams @pensadorlouco !tzaf | Apr 24 22:58 | |
| msb__ | It was Brandon Lozza who first accused me of pushing lizards. | Apr 24 22:58 |
| _Goblin | hey! | Apr 24 22:59 |
| _Goblin | don't push lizards...its cruel and they can't defend themselves | Apr 24 22:59 |
| msb__ | ...which are not mentioned anywhere on my website. | Apr 24 22:59 |
| prurigro | msb__, really? I figured you'd been around for years now considering your experience with computing | Apr 24 22:59 |
| prurigro | msb__, I think there was a convo a week or so ago where people were accusing formic_ of being brandon and both you + lizards somehow made it into things | Apr 24 22:59 |
| prurigro | I wasn't really partaking so I only caught some keywords | Apr 24 23:00 |
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| _Goblin | yep....them pesky lizards and Brandons get everywhere. | Apr 24 23:00 |
| prurigro | but yea, likely the reference | Apr 24 23:00 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Reminded me of oft repeated line: A Song of Ice and Fire: "You know nothing Jon Snow." ~ George R. R. Martin !q | Apr 24 23:00 | |
| msb__ | Brandon seemed more excitable than Formic. | Apr 24 23:00 |
| _Goblin | what were you doing to him? | Apr 24 23:01 |
| _Goblin | the mind boggles... | Apr 24 23:01 |
| msb__ | Nothing. He kept coming after me. | Apr 24 23:01 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] Any idea why this topic arose again? I can't see any fresh articles about it this month. | Apr 24 23:01 | |
| prurigro | msb__, haha true that eh- brandon bounces from conspiracy theory to conspiracy theory pretty energetically doesn't he | Apr 24 23:02 |
| _Goblin | I still like the neanderthal one..... | Apr 24 23:02 |
| prurigro | haha | Apr 24 23:02 |
| _Goblin | thats excellents... | Apr 24 23:02 |
| prurigro | all cuz I'd told him we have some neanderthal DNA still floating in our species | Apr 24 23:02 |
| _Goblin | who would win.....? MSB's Lizards V Brandon's Neanderthals? | Apr 24 23:02 |
| prurigro | hmmm | Apr 24 23:02 |
| prurigro | what temperature is their place of battle? | Apr 24 23:03 |
| _Goblin | good question..... | Apr 24 23:03 |
| prurigro | lizards being cold blooded n' all | Apr 24 23:03 |
| prurigro | if I'm gonna bet I wanna win | Apr 24 23:03 |
| _Goblin | I'm going to say underground.....since Lizards can live in little holes and Brandon's neanderthals lived underground.... | Apr 24 23:03 |
| MinceR | pushing lizards? don't these people know anything? | Apr 24 23:04 |
| MinceR | kittens are where it's at. | Apr 24 23:04 |
| MinceR | http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Kitten_Huffing | Apr 24 23:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Kitten Huffing - Uncyclopedia, the content-free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 129.33 KB | Apr 24 23:04 |
| _Goblin | lol | Apr 24 23:04 |
| _Goblin | ok.... | Apr 24 23:04 |
| _Goblin | so now we have Brandons Neanderthals, MSB's lizards and Mincers Cats..... | Apr 24 23:04 |
| _Goblin | actually that sounds like a deeply intellectual play.... "Mincers Cat" | Apr 24 23:05 |
| MinceR | :) | Apr 24 23:05 |
| MinceR | "Longinus believed that the high of kitten huffing was the direct result of absorbing the kitten's soul" | Apr 24 23:06 |
| _Goblin | You see there's much to be said with your cats Mincer...I think they have a good chance certainly against the lizards at least. | Apr 24 23:06 |
| prurigro | _Goblin, lmao true, the perfect hiding spot-- right beneath our feet! | Apr 24 23:07 |
| _Goblin | yep...conveniently where nobody ever witnesses anything. | Apr 24 23:08 |
| MinceR | "Kittens are often sold by the gross on the street by pushers such as this one at Stoner High School." | Apr 24 23:08 |
| _Goblin | Yeah but Mincer, we have neanderthals controlling the masons, Lizards setting off thermite.....what exactly have your cats done? | Apr 24 23:09 |
| _Goblin | except for pooping in my garden | Apr 24 23:09 |
| _Goblin | and digging up the flowers to do it. | Apr 24 23:09 |
| fewt | Isn't that what gardens are for? | Apr 24 23:10 |
| fewt | Wall them off so no one can compete | Apr 24 23:10 |
| fewt | and then poop in them | Apr 24 23:10 |
| fewt | :D | Apr 24 23:10 |
| _Goblin | what pooping? Maybe you find it acceptable to poop in a garden...round here the nieghbours get a bit funny about things like that. | Apr 24 23:10 |
| *fewt was poking fun at Apple there | Apr 24 23:10 | |
| _Goblin | yes I know.... | Apr 24 23:10 |
| MinceR | _Goblin: for one thing, they got humans to open cans of food for them :> | Apr 24 23:11 |
| _Goblin | whit doesn't translate well in IRC | Apr 24 23:11 |
| _Goblin | or tear pouches.... | Apr 24 23:11 |
| fewt | :) | Apr 24 23:11 |
| _Goblin | Right, I'm going off to have a smoke...not a poop in my garden. | Apr 24 23:11 |
| fewt | don't forget to leave the ipad then! | Apr 24 23:12 |
| fewt | hah | Apr 24 23:12 |
| XFaCE | _Goblin: Quit smoking dammit! We can't live if you don't! | Apr 24 23:15 |
| MinceR | gn | Apr 24 23:17 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] Update on Ubuntu Accomplishments, with video demo - http://is.gd/PsztYe #ubuntu #locoteams | Apr 24 23:18 | |
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| XFaCE | fewt: Lude-untu? | Apr 24 23:22 |
| fewt | huh what | Apr 24 23:22 |
| fewt | Luduntu? | Apr 24 23:22 |
| fewt | that would be entertaining | Apr 24 23:22 |
| fewt | make it so? | Apr 24 23:22 |
| XFaCE | fewt: Engage | Apr 24 23:22 |
| XFaCE | Will there be any nudity in it? Any nudity? | Apr 24 23:23 |
| fewt | all the nudity | Apr 24 23:23 |
| fewt | and then some | Apr 24 23:23 |
| XFaCE | pube-duntu | Apr 24 23:23 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[serk01/@serk01] Πολιτικά παιχνίδια με το CISPA(Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act) http://identi.ca/url/69183782 | Apr 24 23:23 | |
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| fewt | Redmond nudity even | Apr 24 23:23 |
| fewt | whatever that would mean | Apr 24 23:24 |
| fewt | :) | Apr 24 23:24 |
| XFaCE | ugh nooooo | Apr 24 23:24 |
| XFaCE | Balmer is sweaty enough with clothes on | Apr 24 23:24 |
| *fewt throws a chair at the new distro because it is already behind schedule | Apr 24 23:24 | |
| XFaCE | You wouldn't be behind schedule if you dumped mono! | Apr 24 23:24 |
| fewt | Mono makes it go faster | Apr 24 23:25 |
| fewt | I need to dump bash, python, and C | Apr 24 23:25 |
| XFaCE | Have fun | Apr 24 23:25 |
| fewt | lolno | Apr 24 23:25 |
| XFaCE | Linus will make a kernel in C# in, hmmm, what's the highest number known to humans? | Apr 24 23:26 |
| fewt | z | Apr 24 23:26 |
| fewt | heh | Apr 24 23:26 |
| XFaCE | One more night....give me one more night | Apr 24 23:27 |
| fewt | give me back my filet-o-fish, give me that fish? | Apr 24 23:28 |
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| XFaCE | fewt: Nah, just listening to "No Jacket Required" | Apr 24 23:29 |
| fewt | oic | Apr 24 23:29 |
| XFaCE | Makes you realize why Bieber, etc. do this same thing that's been done before better | Apr 24 23:29 |
| XFaCE | Because they are unoriginal talentless hacks | Apr 24 23:29 |
| _Goblin | right..back.....I think i'll be off shortly. | Apr 24 23:30 |
| XFaCE | _Goblin: Ok, where were we? | Apr 24 23:30 |
| XFaCE | Oh yeah | Apr 24 23:30 |
| XFaCE | _Goblin: Stop smoking damnit! We need you to live forever! | Apr 24 23:30 |
| XFaCE | Seriously tho, stop. STOP | Apr 24 23:30 |
| _Goblin | nah..too weak willed... | Apr 24 23:30 |
| fewt | Why take away his freedom | Apr 24 23:30 |
| *fewt jokes | Apr 24 23:30 | |
| XFaCE | fewt: To save his life | Apr 24 23:30 |
| _Goblin | but is it freedom... | Apr 24 23:30 |
| *fewt wasn't serious there | Apr 24 23:31 | |
| _Goblin | I'm trapped in a cycle of smoking.... | Apr 24 23:31 |
| XFaCE | _Goblin: No yr not dude | Apr 24 23:31 |
| fewt | _Goblin that's a tough cycle to break but it can be done | Apr 24 23:31 |
| XFaCE | _Goblin: Try listening to Alan Parsons Project instead | Apr 24 23:31 |
| fewt | don't use a crutch when you do it, it'll just make it harder. | Apr 24 23:31 |
| _Goblin | whats my crutch got to do with not smoking? | Apr 24 23:32 |
| fewt | lol | Apr 24 23:32 |
| _Goblin | and making it harder...... | Apr 24 23:32 |
| _Goblin | thats disgusting...shame on you! | Apr 24 23:32 |
| fewt | when I quit I did the same things. Took smoke breaks, etc. | Apr 24 23:32 |
| fewt | just didn't smoke | Apr 24 23:32 |
| fewt | after a few days, done | Apr 24 23:32 |
| fewt | had smoked for 14 years | Apr 24 23:32 |
| fewt | now it's been about that since I quit. :) | Apr 24 23:32 |
| XFaCE | _Goblin: Can't you eat a shitload of apples or something? | Apr 24 23:33 |
| fewt | Pretty tough, but not that tough. | Apr 24 23:33 |
| _Goblin | smoking won't kill me.....I believe in the theory of blissful ignorance....if you don't acknowledge a problem, it doesn't exist. | Apr 24 23:33 |
| fewt | _Goblin so you have a Windows phone? | Apr 24 23:33 |
| fewt | :) | Apr 24 23:33 |
| _Goblin | good point... | Apr 24 23:33 |
| _Goblin | health wise.....I would clarify. | Apr 24 23:33 |
| fewt | heh | Apr 24 23:33 |
| _Goblin | I cite as an example the people who go to the docs get diagnosed with a horrible disease then die shortly after.... | Apr 24 23:34 |
| _Goblin | live in blissful ignorance and it can't hurt you.. | Apr 24 23:34 |
| _Goblin | another example.... | Apr 24 23:34 |
| _Goblin | the OAP driver....blissfully unaware of the carnage they create when driving..... | Apr 24 23:35 |
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| _Goblin | or the soldier who runs across the battlefield refusing to acknoledge danger who doesn't get hit by a bullet. | Apr 24 23:35 |
| _Goblin | see? | Apr 24 23:35 |
| _Goblin | blissful ignorance theory - its sound. | Apr 24 23:35 |
| fewt | lol | Apr 24 23:36 |
| fewt | You just justified every windows desktop in existence and why we'll never win | Apr 24 23:36 |
| *fewt jokes | Apr 24 23:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] http://ur1.ca/935k9 #justsayin SDK and stuff. For developers and stuff. | Apr 24 23:37 | |
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| _Goblin | I think we've already won.....look at how the marketplace is diversifying and slipping away from the control of one single entity. | Apr 24 23:37 |
| fewt | I dislike having to immediately follow a comment with an action that indicates the emotional response expected. | Apr 24 23:37 |
| XFaCE | bbl | Apr 24 23:37 |
| fewt | but, it is hard to convey jokes and sarcasm without it. :) | Apr 24 23:37 |
| fewt | _Goblin I'll agree with that | Apr 24 23:38 |
| fewt | marketshare is largely irrelevant, what's more important is compatibility | Apr 24 23:38 |
| fewt | imho | Apr 24 23:38 |
| _Goblin | yep I agree | Apr 24 23:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #BP engineer arrested for allegedly deleting oil spill text messages http://goo.gl/nZLo2 | Apr 24 23:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] #CISPA is flawed and everyone sees it: 43 amendments introduced to attempt to salvage cyberspying bill https://eff.org/r.Z7k | Apr 24 23:38 | |
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| _Goblin | you can be on Facebook with Linux/Mac/Windows or a plethora of other things....for the consumer the important thing is facebook not the platform used to access it... | Apr 24 23:39 |
| fewt | yep | Apr 24 23:39 |
| _Goblin | and thats the victory right there...I give much of the credit to firefox... | Apr 24 23:39 |
| fewt | +1 | Apr 24 23:40 |
| _Goblin | for bringing awareness to the masses of the concept of choice. | Apr 24 23:40 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #RIAA Keeps Trying To Spin #Hadopi's Clear Failure Into A Success Story http://goo.gl/DRXPF | Apr 24 23:40 | |
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| _Goblin | I think for the mainstream, the whole alternative to Microsoft started right there when there was a realization that to browse the web you didn't need IE | Apr 24 23:40 |
| fewt | agreed | Apr 24 23:40 |
| _Goblin | that led to questions being asked as to what else they didn't need MS for... | Apr 24 23:40 |
| fewt | IMHO it makes sense to use the platform that works for you (specifically), it shouldn't matter what it is (to anyone else). | Apr 24 23:41 |
| fewt | since most all the major sites don't require IE anymore, it is easier to use anything. | Apr 24 23:42 |
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| _Goblin | now we see LibreOffice as a known alternative to MSoffice...consumers actively choosing Android instead of a MS offering and the consumer now not being duped as much by the media and marketing ... | Apr 24 23:42 |
| fewt | Honestly though, Apple gets some kudos there too | Apr 24 23:42 |
| _Goblin | agreed..... | Apr 24 23:42 |
| fewt | I'm not sure about LibreOffice being a viable alternative to MSOffice quite yet but it'll get there. | Apr 24 23:42 |
| _Goblin | and for making a piece of tech fashionable was nothing short of genius. | Apr 24 23:42 |
| fewt | It is perfect for home use | Apr 24 23:43 |
| ThistleWeb | what? but but but....IE IS the web | Apr 24 23:43 |
| fewt | but still falls over when you have to collaborate in a lot of cases | Apr 24 23:43 |
| fewt | .. it is getting better though. | Apr 24 23:43 |
| fewt | quickly | Apr 24 23:43 |
| _Goblin | RE: LO....I think its underestimated...if the mainstream merely want a wordprocessor with bold underline and italics, a few tabs etc LO is perfect. | Apr 24 23:43 |
| ThistleWeb | Microsoft are still required, as a good example of how not to do things | Apr 24 23:43 |
| fewt | Yeah, I'll agree with that | Apr 24 23:43 |
| ThistleWeb | without the darkness, the lightbulb wouldn't be so clear | Apr 24 23:44 |
| _Goblin | its only when you get to enterprise with contracts and templates etc that the issue is not as simple/ | Apr 24 23:44 |
| fewt | document collaboration | Apr 24 23:44 |
| fewt | things like that it still fails | Apr 24 23:44 |
| _Goblin | and lets face it......forgetting about work...in the home how many mainstream consumers actually have need of an office suite now? | Apr 24 23:44 |
| fewt | I still struggle with simple formatting between MSOffice and LibreOffice spreadsheets. | Apr 24 23:44 |
| fewt | Few if any need an office suite | Apr 24 23:45 |
| fewt | word processor and spreadsheet is all they need | Apr 24 23:45 |
| _Goblin | and I would doubt the vast majority of users would demand anything more than what LO already offers.. | Apr 24 23:45 |
| fewt | Definitely agree with that | Apr 24 23:46 |
| ThistleWeb | I do wonder how close the rest of the LO suite is to MS office, writer is a realistic alternate, but what about calc etc | Apr 24 23:46 |
| fewt | for the majority | Apr 24 23:46 |
| _Goblin | its more now an awareness issue with the masses to get them out of the habbit of them thinking they need to pay for an office suite. | Apr 24 23:46 |
| fewt | I try to open all docs in LO first, and only go to MSO if they fail | Apr 24 23:46 |
| fewt | but I'm not a majority user | Apr 24 23:46 |
| fewt | not by any stretch. :) | Apr 24 23:46 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @eff #CISPA is flawed and everyone sees it: 43 amendments introduced to attempt to salvage cyberspying bill https://eff.org/r.Z7k | Apr 24 23:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @glynmoody Macmillan’s #Tor/Forge goes #DRM-free - http://bit.ly/I90XjF fab - the dam begins to break | Apr 24 23:47 | |
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| fewt | LO could use an interface cleanup though which I think is already in process. | Apr 24 23:47 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah, add some ribbon.....oh wait | Apr 24 23:48 |
| fewt | I don't think anyone said ribbon | Apr 24 23:48 |
| fewt | lol | Apr 24 23:48 |
| _Goblin | heres something..... | Apr 24 23:48 |
| _Goblin | if you want a hot off the press exhibit as to why Microsoft wouldn't actively pay a troll in COLA... | Apr 24 23:49 |
| _Goblin | here's the quality..... | Apr 24 23:49 |
| _Goblin | (see I'm building up suspense) | Apr 24 23:49 |
| _Goblin | here we go....this is the level at which the Microsoft advocates in COLA work at.... | Apr 24 23:50 |
| _Goblin | written by the great Foster/Gary Stewart.... | Apr 24 23:50 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Opposition to #TPP grows internationally: Japanese business groups post full-page ad in @washingtonpost today https://eff.org/r.1Zm | Apr 24 23:50 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Anti-TPP Ad in the Washington Post | Electronic Frontier Foundation .::. Size~: 33.32 KB | Apr 24 23:50 |
| _Goblin | now please read slowly...... | Apr 24 23:50 |
| _Goblin | its of such awesome intellect and witty retort that a mere mortal would take a while to comprehend... | Apr 24 23:50 |
| _Goblin | here it goes.... | Apr 24 23:50 |
| _Goblin | "He probably eats that slimy glue that looks like snot they use to stick things inside magazines." | Apr 24 23:51 |
| _Goblin | now with Microsoft advocacy like that...who needs to say Windows is a pig? | Apr 24 23:51 |
| fewt | lol that's pretty good actually. | Apr 24 23:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] !tzaf & sweet dreams @kevie | Apr 24 23:52 | |
| _Goblin | Well it impressed the hell out of me..... | Apr 24 23:52 |
| fewt | I can immediately think of a few people I'd say something like that too. :) | Apr 24 23:52 |
| _Goblin | and that guys been doing it for 10 years.... | Apr 24 23:52 |
| _Goblin | I would say what a waste of time, but I think its obvious.... | Apr 24 23:52 |
| _Goblin | now how can that be worth paying for by Microsoft or anyone? | Apr 24 23:52 |
| _Goblin | like I say, small businessman with too little business, bitter and far too much time on hands. | Apr 24 23:53 |
| _Goblin | and all it does is act as a rallying cry for free software advocates to advocate further... | Apr 24 23:53 |
| fewt | Meh, if they see that as a cry to advocate.. | Apr 24 23:54 |
| fewt | we are doing it wrong. | Apr 24 23:54 |
| _Goblin | well yes......if you think about it...... | Apr 24 23:54 |
| _Goblin | imagine you are playing a game of tennis...your opponant mocks you....what are you going to do? Give up or try that little bit harder...? | Apr 24 23:54 |
| fewt | We have far more bitter people on our side. | Apr 24 23:54 |
| fewt | We should learn to keep our own house before we tell someone else how to keep theirs. | Apr 24 23:55 |
| _Goblin | I don't really see it as sides.... | Apr 24 23:55 |
| _Goblin | (for me) | Apr 24 23:55 |
| fewt | fair enough, but it kind of is | Apr 24 23:55 |
| _Goblin | I say what I think, I comment and at the end of the day for me, its only tech and theres far more important things in life. | Apr 24 23:56 |
| fewt | FOSS has a you are with us or you are against us stigma | Apr 24 23:56 |
| _Goblin | but I've never experienced that and Ive championed proprietary | Apr 24 23:56 |
| fewt | I have | Apr 24 23:56 |
| fewt | just speak out against something in the FOSS world and wait a minute | Apr 24 23:56 |
| _Goblin | I suppose its merely a case of people will be people..... | Apr 24 23:57 |
| _Goblin | that behaviour is not the sole remit of FOSS advocates. | Apr 24 23:57 |
| fewt | that's the rub. | Apr 24 23:57 |
| _Goblin | try praising Liverpool Football Club.... | Apr 24 23:57 |
| fewt | and why I imply it's like there are sides. :) | Apr 24 23:57 |
| _Goblin | try saying Audi's are great... | Apr 24 23:57 |
| _Goblin | people have opinions, people are passionate about opinions they truly believe. | Apr 24 23:58 |
| fewt | I spend most of my free life working on FOSS but get called troll, shill, insert insult here because I speak my mind. | Apr 24 23:58 |
| fewt | it's stupid | Apr 24 23:58 |
| _Goblin | but its always the way...... | Apr 24 23:58 |
| _Goblin | and its the same for any subject | Apr 24 23:58 |
| _Goblin | you shouldn't take it seriously...... | Apr 24 23:58 |
| fewt | I don't | Apr 24 23:58 |
| msb__ | The question is, which side started it? | Apr 24 23:58 |
| fewt | otherwise I wouldn't do what I do. :) | Apr 24 23:58 |
| _Goblin | you think I cry into my pillow when Gary Stewart makes up lies? | Apr 24 23:58 |
| fewt | my point is, we do have sides | Apr 24 23:59 |
| _Goblin | I would be very suspicious if I said something and everyone agreed. | Apr 24 23:59 |
| fewt | and we draw lines | Apr 24 23:59 |
| fewt | even within what we call our own community. | Apr 24 23:59 |
| _Goblin | but everyone's line is different. | Apr 24 23:59 |
| msb__ | http://cosmicpenguin.com/linux/MICROSOFTS_WAR_AGAINST_LINUX.html | Apr 24 23:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: MICROSOFT'S WAR AGAINST LINUX .::. Size~: 24.45 KB | Apr 24 23:59 |
| _Goblin | and human nature forces us to group ourselves in every facet of life. | Apr 24 23:59 |
| fewt | I'm not implying we should cry in our pillows | Apr 24 23:59 |
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