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XFaCEDaemonFC: You checkmated jonoApr 26 00:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] Again, whoever it turns out to be, I hope they pay well. Being a bastard is tiring work. Apparently.Apr 26 00:00
DaemonFCit's not a question of if they will allow DRM, it's only a question of how the DRM will be deliveredApr 26 00:01
DaemonFCit's like saying the driver of a getaway car shouldn't be punished because he didn't actually go in and rob the storeApr 26 00:01
XFaCEyepApr 26 00:01
XFaCENon-guity by ignoranceApr 26 00:02
XFaCEor non-actionApr 26 00:02
XFaCEor inactionApr 26 00:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] o_O #FCB is trending? Time to sleep.Apr 26 00:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] I try to take it as a sign I am achieving something, but the stop-energy can get overwhelming.Apr 26 00:03
scientesXFaCE, wtfApr 26 00:04
scientesand steam has way too much cred from what i can seeApr 26 00:04
XFaCEscientes: To whatApr 26 00:04
XFaCEscientes: What are you refering toApr 26 00:04
scientes<XFaCE> DaemonFC: OMG Steam's coming to Linux!! Uhh againApr 26 00:05
scientesye, you can keep your drm on the platforms i dont use, like PS3, xbox, windows, and appleApr 26 00:06
scientes*yesApr 26 00:06
dyfetWhy would it be good to trap users in malicious anti-user technologies?Apr 26 00:06
scientesanti-features as i like to call themApr 26 00:06
XFaCEscientes: I was making fun of Phorenix's repeated claims of Steam being portedApr 26 00:07
dyfetanti-features or malicious features certainly seem correct termsApr 26 00:07
XFaCEscientes: Not as an excitedness that Steam's comin apparentlyApr 26 00:07
scientes Apr 26 00:08
scientes"apparently"Apr 26 00:08
scientesjust like "apparent" ubuntu wont switch to systemdApr 26 00:08
scientesand "apparently" they will manage to port it to waylandApr 26 00:08
scientesif this trend continues pretty soon ubuntu wont look anything like the other distributionsApr 26 00:09
scientesand then when stuff starts to break, noone will care, cause canonical isn't funding the big projects, like the kernel...oh waitApr 26 00:09
scientesthats their brillianceApr 26 00:09
scientesthe more stable and successful something is the less they contribute :PApr 26 00:10
dyfetI think that is their intent, to define "Ubuntu" as "something else", for branding purposesApr 26 00:10
scienteswell i was just mentioning thatApr 26 00:10
scientes<scientes> 26 00:10
scientes<scientes> 26 00:10
scientes<scientes> "Our global community"Apr 26 00:10
scientes"the ubuntu Operating system"Apr 26 00:11
XFaCEyeah, it's marketing hypeApr 26 00:11
scientesand here is the anti-feature article: 26 00:11
scientesbut that FUD is really the worstApr 26 00:11
scientesand LOL PICTUREApr 26 00:11
scientescause they can't svg worth crap i guessApr 26 00:11
scientesor just do a css overlayApr 26 00:12
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XFaCEscientes: do they even define Freedom as in freedom?Apr 26 00:12
scientesXFaCE, not reallyApr 26 00:12
XFaCEscientes: Looks like they only say Free as beerApr 26 00:12
scientes"some of today's best software is based on an open-source model. Shared efforts. Shared principles. No cost."Apr 26 00:12
scientes> "no cost"Apr 26 00:12
dyfetPersonally I would not care what they called it or how they choose to brand it, if they had cared about and educated their users more about software freedomApr 26 00:12
scientesbull fucking shitApr 26 00:13
scientesits very fucking expensive to developer this stuffApr 26 00:13
scientes...just LESS EXPENSIVE (by an order of magnitude) than any other way of developing itApr 26 00:13
scientesdyfet, on one side i agree with you, but on another side, it all adds upApr 26 00:13
scientesand on this issue I have to go with Richard M StallmanApr 26 00:14
scienteswho has generall been right all along on these issuesApr 26 00:14
dyfetWell, it is an irrelevant argument anyway since they dont...Apr 26 00:14
scientesRed Hat is a solid companyApr 26 00:14
scientesI wish I didn't have technical arguments with them, like ptrace scope in selinux/fedora by defaultApr 26 00:15
XFaCE 26 00:15
scientes(I probably have more with ubuntu)Apr 26 00:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Red Hat and SUSE join IBM in new Linux system, Canonical opts out #redhat #suse #canonical #linux #gnu #ibmApr 26 00:15
scientes"RADIO!"Apr 26 00:16
dyfetThere are things that are in Fedora due to redhat, but they are upfront about their relationship with their communityApr 26 00:16
scientesindeed, EXTREMELY upfrontApr 26 00:16
scientesand they do SOO much for the communityApr 26 00:17
scientesin terms of critical projects, just look at nouveauApr 26 00:17
dyfetit is not perfect, but they are honest in how they relate and work with othersApr 26 00:17
scientesso now, i dont know what to use for a touchscreen interfaceApr 26 00:17
scienteson a displaylink graphics (so no 3d unless i can indirect render somehow, which i dont think xorg supports, or if i use llvmpipe)Apr 26 00:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Solved my printing problem… tho locked inside a virtual box #Windows took control of my printer. Micro$oft doesn't share well :(Apr 26 00:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Jean-Staten Healy explains why 2012 is the break out year for #opensource KVM #virtualization #openKVMApr 26 00:18
scientesargg cant find blank cdApr 26 00:19
dyfetand yes, there is their support for nouveau work :)Apr 26 00:21
scienteswhich is something canonical wouldn't do in a thousand years ;)Apr 26 00:22
scientesand i dont really see red hat's pressure on fedora as a problemApr 26 00:22
scientesit provides directionApr 26 00:22
dyfetPerhaps redhat is under appreciated at timesApr 26 00:23
scientesand its not only 100% open source, but its also developed in the open Apr 26 00:23
scientesunlike android for exampleApr 26 00:23
scientesor mozillaApr 26 00:23
scientes**mozill ais in the open Apr 26 00:23
dyfetThe fedora community itself is very open and peer oriented; its not who you know or if you have special resources to get to places that determine what and how you contribute; all are treated equally and fairlyApr 26 00:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] Yesterday I asked on Facebook if people were excited for #ubuntu 12.04 - there are currently 6,734 likes - I guess that is a yes then. :-)Apr 26 00:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Moving from #Gmail to #Hotmail: the disastrous conclusion | PC Pro blog #crashandburnApr 26 00:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Survey data: #nginx poised to become number 2 web server | ITworld #flossApr 26 00:53
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_Goblinwell...wgat to doApr 26 00:59
XFaCEfucking wgatApr 26 01:00
_GoblinyepApr 26 01:00
_Goblintoo right!Apr 26 01:00
XFaCElolApr 26 01:02
XFaCE[19:26] -TRIdentica/#techrights- [jonobacon/@jonobacon] Yesterday I asked on Facebook if people were excited for #ubuntu 12.04 - there are currently 6,734 likes - I guess that is a yes then. :-)Apr 26 01:02
XFaCEDaemonFC: He did that just to poo on youApr 26 01:02
_Goblinlol...Apr 26 01:03
_Goblinyep....Apr 26 01:03
_GoblinDaemonFC, can't talk....Mark and Jono have silenced his distro....Apr 26 01:04
DaemonFCevil bastardsApr 26 01:04
DaemonFC:)Apr 26 01:04
_Goblinoh....youre be good or they'll do it againApr 26 01:04
dyfetHmm...I guess the other 200 million or so fb's just shrugged their shoulders then ;)Apr 26 01:04
_Goblinmaybe they couldn't access facebook because they were using IE and it was failing again badly.Apr 26 01:05
dyfetjust have to put it into perspective ;)Apr 26 01:05
_Goblinperspective is great.......Apr 26 01:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxfoundation/@linuxfoundation] Did you hear? We're launching a new event in 2012: CloudOpen. Check it out: #linux #cloud #ossApr 26 01:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jankusanagi/@jankusanagi] RT @fsf "FRAND" is a FRAUD -- !gnu !fsf !linux !cc !lpApr 26 01:07
DaemonFC_Goblin, Microsoft is running this obnoxious Internet Explorer TV commercial latelyApr 26 01:07
_Goblinyeah I sawApr 26 01:07
DaemonFCWhy advertise it? They force it on everyone that uses Windows already.Apr 26 01:08
_Goblinall Microsoft ads are obnoxious....they don't have a clue do they?Apr 26 01:08
_Goblinthey can't even get a PR stunt rightApr 26 01:08
DaemonFCmaybe they figure that any attention is good attentionApr 26 01:08
_Goblinthe iphone funeral springs to mind....Apr 26 01:08
DaemonFCsome marketing campaigns are designed to annoy you just so you'll remember themApr 26 01:08
_GoblinMicrosoft software annoys me without the need of any adsApr 26 01:09
_Goblinso do some of its advocates.....they are annoying....Apr 26 01:09
_Goblin"Vista is a gift to the world"Apr 26 01:09
XFaCEWindows 7 is fucking goldApr 26 01:09
_Goblin"Kin is the greatest social phone ever"Apr 26 01:09
XFaCEThe ribbon interface is the best ever to happen to anythingApr 26 01:09
DaemonFCI never used IE as my primary browser even when I used WindowsApr 26 01:09
XFaCEI did, back in 1998Apr 26 01:10
DaemonFCI kicked it around a bit and gave up on it just as fastApr 26 01:10
XFaCEWhen I was not even a teenageApr 26 01:10
XFaCErApr 26 01:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dyfet/@dyfet] RT @fsf "FRAND" is a FRAUD -- !gnu !fsf !linux !cc !lpApr 26 01:10
DaemonFCit pretty much goes NCSA Mosaic, Netscape 0.9 through 3, hated Netscape 4, switched to Opera, switched back again to the Mozilla suite, FirefoxApr 26 01:11
DaemonFCNetscape 4 was just horribleApr 26 01:11
DaemonFCeverything about itApr 26 01:11
DaemonFCit was slow, unstable, you resized a window and it redownloaded and redrew the entire page....Apr 26 01:12
DaemonFCgod help you if you came across a page that used CSS or Java, it had basic support for CSS, but even some CSS 1 crashed it Apr 26 01:13
DaemonFCthe Java VM took about 20-30 seconds just to load and you got to hear your hard drive thrashing while the browser sat there and said "Java starting..."Apr 26 01:13
DaemonFCFirefox is still shedding vestigial Netscape crapApr 26 01:14
DaemonFCthe Mozilla code base is getting to be so old and so complicated in spots that the current maintainers are afraid to touch it for fear they may break stuff unwittinglyApr 26 01:15
DaemonFCit's turning into Netscape again through being completely overengineered Apr 26 01:15
DaemonFCNetsurf looks promisingApr 26 01:16
DaemonFCI like it I just wish it would do a few things it is not doing right nowApr 26 01:16
XFaCE"So you're a thief, got it. "Oh I don't like phoronix so I block ads oh I hate micheal oh I like bitching oh everyone look I'm bitching here" You like phoronix enough to read it but not enough to tolerate a minor annoyance so a man has money to feed his family."Apr 26 01:17
XFaCEDaemonFC: Midori is excellentApr 26 01:18
DaemonFCyou know, it's not advertising that bothers meApr 26 01:19
DaemonFCit's HOW they are advertising that bothers meApr 26 01:19
DaemonFCXFaCE, Netsurf has its own rendering engineApr 26 01:19
DaemonFCit's not just another misguided Webkit browserApr 26 01:19
XFaCEoh, you mean to THAT degreeApr 26 01:19
XFaCEWell yeah, check back in 10 yearsApr 26 01:20
DaemonFCor someone trying to pretend you can get away with using Gecko if you're not MozillaApr 26 01:20
DaemonFC 26 01:20
XFaCEDaemonFC: already thereApr 26 01:21
dyfetlooks like they separated things into their own libraries, too....Apr 26 01:21
DaemonFCyeahApr 26 01:21
DaemonFCno Javascript support currentlyApr 26 01:22
DaemonFCand no NPAPIApr 26 01:22
DaemonFCwhich means no Flash, if you give a shitApr 26 01:22
dyfetwell, give them time to work in js...Apr 26 01:23
DaemonFCyeah, it's supposed to be supported when 3.0 is outApr 26 01:24
DaemonFC 26 01:27
DaemonFCniceApr 26 01:27
DaemonFC 26 01:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] [$] Weekly Edition for April 26, 2012 26 01:38
DaemonFC 26 01:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Important CA location privacy bill loses critical reporting requirements thanks to wireless companies 26 02:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Lovely: "Raising Kids Amid the Yuppies, Hipsters and Flakes in Vancouver's Trendiest Neighbourhood" /v @PstTnseApr 26 02:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] I should say that is in answer to the NatPo's "Raising kids....worst neighbourhood" !CDNpoliApr 26 02:25
formic_[20:17] <DaemonFC> XFaCE, Netsurf has its own rendering engineApr 26 02:26
formic_fun, another 5 years to catch upApr 26 02:26
XFaCEformic_: lolApr 26 02:26
XFaCEI said that more or lessApr 26 02:26
formic_lolApr 26 02:27
formic_qupzilla +1Apr 26 02:27
XFaCEhmmApr 26 02:30
XFaCEinterestingApr 26 02:30
XFaCEformic_: Is it a better webkit browser than Midori?Apr 26 02:31
formic_Haven't really used MidoriApr 26 02:31
formic_qupzilla is qt based thoughApr 26 02:31
formic_FAR better than rekonq or aroraApr 26 02:32
DaemonFCactually, Netsurf has been around for quite some timeApr 26 02:35
formic_if its not webkit or gecko, its not worth usingApr 26 02:35
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DaemonFCthere's PrestoApr 26 02:48
formic_its proprietaryApr 26 02:49
formic_not usableApr 26 02:49
DaemonFC 26 02:54
DaemonFCyet another fglrx workaroundApr 26 02:54
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @FredoFredonis ik heb #aneverendingstory in pdf.Apr 26 03:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @jenssegers @tmdpw But then again, this is #Hogent ;)Apr 26 03:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: He #DeLijn, ik zit op een nachtbus. Veel volk! Ik doe dat wel vaker en vind het heel jammer dat die bin http://ur1. ...Apr 26 03:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @jenssegers @tmdpw De uitbreidingsmogelijkheden met zijn enorm. Niet makkelijk om er direct een moeilij http://ur1. ...Apr 26 03:18
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scientesDaemonFC, why are you still using (and complaining about) fglrx?Apr 26 03:31
formic_cause he doesnt learnApr 26 03:31
scientesqutzilla uses webkitApr 26 03:31
scienteseekApr 26 03:31
formic_eek?Apr 26 03:31
scienteszilla != webkit, zilla == geckoApr 26 03:31
DaemonFCthe sheer number of workarounds that Compiz is carrying for it is staggeringApr 26 03:31
formic_it looks like firefox 3.xApr 26 03:32
formic_uses webkit which owns geckoApr 26 03:32
scienteswoah, alot like ff 3Apr 26 03:32
scientesim sticking to my trusty firefoxApr 26 03:33
scientesi havn't seen something that can give me privacy like ff's permission modelApr 26 03:33
formic_at least its not prestoApr 26 03:33
formic_permission model?Apr 26 03:33
formic_pfftApr 26 03:33
*scientes has never used prestoApr 26 03:33
scientesper-site permission modelApr 26 03:33
scientesand addons like refcontrolApr 26 03:34
scientesso i can forge referrer headersApr 26 03:34
DaemonFCscientes, Presto is Opera's rendering engineApr 26 03:34
DaemonFCbut it has been used separately from OperaApr 26 03:34
scientesDaemonFC, I know, I have not beenliving behind a rockApr 26 03:34
DaemonFCAdobe was using it for a long timeApr 26 03:34
scientesit is also closed sourceApr 26 03:34
scienteswhich makes me uninterestedApr 26 03:35
formic_who knows what spying there isApr 26 03:35
DaemonFCobjection!Apr 26 03:36
DaemonFCassumes facts not in evidenceApr 26 03:36
DaemonFC:)Apr 26 03:36
formic_show me the source and prove it doesn'tApr 26 03:38
DaemonFCin the case of things like Windows and other Microsoft software, it's easy to tell if it's spying on you because their 20,000 page EULA admits to it in multiple occasions and even mentions that they might decide to sell that information to third parties or remove software from your computer without asking youApr 26 03:39
DaemonFCWhere is your proof that Opera is spyware?Apr 26 03:39
DaemonFCIt has several bad provisions in the EULA, but nothing that permits them to actually spy on youApr 26 03:39
formic_DaemonFC - governments could require it and by law they would not be allowed to tellApr 26 03:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Yeah, I got nothin'.Apr 26 03:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] But it's CROSSHATCHED!Apr 26 03:40
DaemonFCthe closest you get to that is IF you decide to use Opera Link or Opera Unite or Opera Turbo, then Opera may save some non-personally identifiable information about youApr 26 03:40
formic_bsApr 26 03:40
DaemonFCthey're quite specific about how it is usedApr 26 03:41
formic_they have your IPApr 26 03:41
formic_thats personalApr 26 03:41
DaemonFCand your IP address is not loggedApr 26 03:41
formic_prove its not loggedApr 26 03:41
formic_show me their logsApr 26 03:41
DaemonFCprove it isApr 26 03:41
DaemonFCthey say it's notApr 26 03:41
formic_you're taking the word of a schiesty proprietary companyApr 26 03:41
DaemonFCyou've got them on breach of contract if it turns out it isApr 26 03:41
formic_you trust proprietary companies to tell you the truth?Apr 26 03:41
formic_how will you EVER find out?Apr 26 03:41
formic_proprietaryApr 26 03:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] I think she probably thinks he has a giant basketball head or is made of ropes. 26 03:42
DaemonFCI think people get carried away with this RMS black helicopter nonsense sometimesApr 26 03:42
formic_you like opera, so you trust themApr 26 03:43
DaemonFCas far as I'm concerned, the most damning thing about Opera right now is that there's no HTTPS Everywhere extension for itApr 26 03:43
formic_Digsby went around saying they weren't spyware, and weren't using your computer to make moneyApr 26 03:43
formic_They wereApr 26 03:43
DaemonFCwell, it was easy to prove in that caseApr 26 03:43
DaemonFCuhhm, all the fucking shit it did was sort of.....obviousApr 26 03:44
formic_and opera is norweiganApr 26 03:44
formic_do you understand norweigan laws?Apr 26 03:44
formic_perhaps they dont even have laws to protect you from fraudApr 26 03:44
formic_even if they did, you're in the USApr 26 03:44
DaemonFCDigsby is just libpurple with webkit and that makes it bloatware and semi-competent, but then they add a layer of spyware on top of all of thatApr 26 03:44
DaemonFCanyone who uses it is a fucking moronApr 26 03:45
DaemonFC:)Apr 26 03:45
formic_same with operaApr 26 03:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Yeah, I just am not sure.Apr 26 03:45
formic_anyone who uses that is a moronApr 26 03:45
DaemonFCI don't see why Firefox is such a pile of crapApr 26 03:46
formic_at least the code could be auditedApr 26 03:46
DaemonFCa small Norwegian proprietary software company can do proper OpenGL compositingApr 26 03:46
DaemonFCFirefox renders upside down and backwardsApr 26 03:46
DaemonFCleaks memoryApr 26 03:46
DaemonFCthen crashesApr 26 03:46
formic_thats probably your shit amd graphicsApr 26 03:46
DaemonFCnoApr 26 03:46
formic_yeahApr 26 03:46
DaemonFCit does that on every card, every driverApr 26 03:46
formic_firefox has no issues with my hardwareApr 26 03:46
DaemonFCexcept Nvidia proprietaryApr 26 03:47
formic_if opera isn't going to open their code, then they need a trusted independant third party to audit the codeApr 26 03:47
DaemonFCFirefox practically encourages using proprietary Nvidia driversApr 26 03:48
DaemonFCso why don't they get called out for that?Apr 26 03:48
DaemonFCthey only seem to make Firefox work right in certain cases that some Mozilla developers care aboutApr 26 03:48
formic_drivers are one thing, using a proprietary browser to do all your web activities is dangerousApr 26 03:48
formic_another reason I boycott opera: they said they wanted a browser ballot on linux tooApr 26 03:49
formic_nobody is going to want a proprietary browser if they ware switching to free softwareApr 26 03:50
DaemonFCwhere did they say that?Apr 26 03:50
DaemonFCand who do they plan on going after? There's about a few hundred semi-compatible Linux distributions out thereApr 26 03:50
formic_ 26 03:50
DaemonFCand not all of them are subject to European lawsApr 26 03:51
DaemonFCif I had a distribution and the EU told me to do something, I'd tell them to fuck themselvesApr 26 03:51
DaemonFC:)Apr 26 03:51
formic_opera just wants a damned free ride and advertisingApr 26 03:51
DaemonFCbut a company doing business there would end up getting fucked over by their nanny state Apr 26 03:52
formic_yeah the EU sucksApr 26 03:53
DaemonFCI don't know that you could convince the European Commission that Ubuntu has a monopoly on anything other than insane software development practices Apr 26 03:54
DaemonFCUbuntu's development is starting to resemble Android or ChromeApr 26 03:55
DaemonFCthey've even effectively forked GTK and Qt at this pointApr 26 03:55
formic_they do have a monopoly on shitty distrosApr 26 03:55
formic_ubuntu was good until Mark wanted to start making a profit from itApr 26 03:57
formic_thats when all the store stuff and ubuntu one popped upApr 26 03:58
formic_and ios appsApr 26 03:58
DaemonFCI guess the 5 GB of free storage isn't a bad deal if you're not going to use it for anything you don't want the US spooks to sneak and peek atApr 26 04:01
DaemonFCbecause Amazon has a tendency to cooperate without a warrant Apr 26 04:01
formic_dropbox,,google driveApr 26 04:01
DaemonFCso do theyApr 26 04:01
formic_google wants warrantsApr 26 04:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] You guys just had a slew of birthdays in your house (they came up on all our calendars). Hope they were all fun!Apr 26 04:02
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DaemonFCin fact, if you want to see what happens when you tell the government to come back with a warrant, look at what happened to MegaUploadApr 26 04:02
formic_however, if the NSA is involved...Apr 26 04:02
formic_gag ordersApr 26 04:02
formic_google has friends in the obama administrationApr 26 04:03
DaemonFCwell, the FBI can still use National Security Letters in some casesApr 26 04:03
formic_yup of courseApr 26 04:03
DaemonFCalthough the courts have limited them a lotApr 26 04:03
formic_they can do whatever they want under national securityApr 26 04:04
DaemonFCyeah, and if you tell anyone you got served with an NSL, that's illegal and you can go to prisonApr 26 04:04
formic_even hold people illegally without trialApr 26 04:04
formic_guantamApr 26 04:04
DaemonFCwith a warrant, that's not the caseApr 26 04:04
DaemonFCif the police come and make me spill my guts about you with a warrant, I can call you up and say "Hey, they were just here and they made me give them everything I have about you!"Apr 26 04:05
DaemonFCwith an NSL, I could go to prison for a few years for tipping you off that they're rifling through your dataApr 26 04:05
DaemonFCeverything about an NSL is unconstitutionalApr 26 04:06
formic_the constitution is just a god damned piece of paperApr 26 04:07
DaemonFC 26 04:08
DaemonFC:)Apr 26 04:08
DaemonFCMaxthon switched over to WebkitApr 26 04:09
DaemonFCit's no longer an IE shellApr 26 04:09
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cubezzzhey peeps, is working just fineApr 26 04:13
formic_why wouldnt itApr 26 04:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Hey, you have a job. I missed that. But I've been kind of spending all my time feeling sorry for myself lately. Don't take it personally.Apr 26 04:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] You don't know that.Apr 26 04:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Yeah, I dunno. I've never done it. @drpro is pretty good at it, I guess. @nate too. I did it with a tablet and it was a lot of work.Apr 26 05:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] And when I finally got like CyBeRd00d-ROM-XtReeM-0.17-Q installed, it had all these icons of bombs and apps like "Wipe All Data" and so on.Apr 26 05:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] I figure wait until you need to do something that really needs the phone rooted, and do it then.Apr 26 05:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Adele is like The Knack of 2011. Everybody loves Adele!Apr 26 05:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] I think it was version 2.1 or 2.2 that let you do that from the "Applications" settings page.Apr 26 05:05
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Yeah, pretty much. The custom ROMs are kind of made by and for people who think "bootloader utility" is pretty vital for your main screen.Apr 26 05:08
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] That all said, I think I'm the only Android user in the universe who's still running the ROM that came with his phone. Everyone roots it.Apr 26 05:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] my brother is still on a super hero kick, with a bad day for scientists #humour from @larryrusswurmApr 26 05:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] I checked and my #1 album is "Tea for the Tillerman." I put it on repeat to put the kids to sleep. Apparently I've played it like 300 times.Apr 26 05:12
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Right now a straight-up bowl cut would be a big improvement. He looks like a Sasquatch who walked into a ceiling fan. Best I could do.Apr 26 05:17
scientesschestowitz, :(Apr 26 05:23
scientes 26 05:25
scientes 26 05:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] Good morning Identiverse and Twitterverse Tzag ;-). Today is #Ubuntu 12.04 release day \o/Apr 26 05:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] I'll continue working on my #Anonymous (We Are Legion) video with #LibreOffice Impress and #OpenShot #FreeSoftwareApr 26 05:33
formic_hes coolApr 26 05:34
formic_seems daemonfc is a little obsolete by supporting upstartApr 26 05:34
scientesthat systemd to sysvinit stuff is a great ideaApr 26 05:34
scientes^^yepApr 26 05:34
scientessystemd is clearly superiorApr 26 05:34
scientescanonical is sticking to upstart because of NIHApr 26 05:35
scientesand there was a post in that thread about itApr 26 05:35
formic_canonical shouldnt call ubuntu linux anymoreApr 26 05:35
scientesalso that original writer of upstart who has two posted in that thread, seems to be spreading FUDApr 26 05:35
scientesformic_, if it runs the linux kernel, it is LinuxApr 26 05:36
scientesand they arn't even calling it linuxApr 26 05:36
scientesthats their modelApr 26 05:36
formic_Ubuntu - Linux for human beingsApr 26 05:36
scientesohApr 26 05:36
formic_doesnt matterApr 26 05:36
formic_you dont call android linuxApr 26 05:36
formic_you call it androidApr 26 05:36
scientesi guessApr 26 05:36
scientessystemd is definitely the way forwardApr 26 05:36
scienteslets just call it "old linux"Apr 26 05:37
formic_yeahApr 26 05:37
formic_Ubuntu is going to be so different from everyone elseApr 26 05:37
formic_it'll be just as different as androidApr 26 05:37
scienteslets not forget that fedora adopted upstart before they switched to systemdApr 26 05:37
formic_trueApr 26 05:37
scientesbecause at fedora they believe in adopting the best softwareApr 26 05:37
formic_thats why systemd is there nowApr 26 05:37
scientesnow, they never wrote native upstart services, because that is insaneApr 26 05:37
*scientes tried and failed to grok what the hell upstart doesApr 26 05:38
scientes...that might be saneApr 26 05:38
scientesbut i got systemd immediatelyApr 26 05:38
scientesand love itApr 26 05:38
scientesand with the GSOC project, debian can switch to it totally, and have compatible sysvinit scriptsApr 26 05:38
formic_me tooApr 26 05:38
formic_nothing easier than "service name start"Apr 26 05:38
scientesfor all the advanced linux features that few are currently using, like per-process namespacesApr 26 05:38
scientesbut that systemd makes much more accessableApr 26 05:39
scienteshaha, i still often use /etc/init.d/ with systemdApr 26 05:39
formic_not to mention some distros have their init scripts in different placesApr 26 05:39
scientesbut also use systemdctl startApr 26 05:39
scientes*systemctlApr 26 05:39
formic_yeah systemctl to enable/disable the startup of servicesApr 26 05:40
scientesahh "service" is portable tooApr 26 05:40
scientesyeah thats what ill start using, cause it works with upstart tooApr 26 05:41
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formic_its a shame canonical will be wasting money working on upstart, and consolekitApr 26 05:46
formic_while everyone has abandoned itApr 26 05:46
scientesformic_, you are assuming they will develop themApr 26 05:47
formic_which means they will try even harder to upsell stuffApr 26 05:47
scientesthey might just go into mainnance modeApr 26 05:47
formic_you boot up ubuntu, a notification pops up "Buy Jono's new CD"Apr 26 05:47
jonoformic_, lolApr 26 05:47
scientesbuy bono;s new cd :PApr 26 05:48
formic_fuck bonoApr 26 05:48
formic_Jono is way betterApr 26 05:48
formic_Bono is a world bank shillApr 26 05:48
formic_ 26 05:49
formic_11 worst songs of 2004Apr 26 05:49
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] começando o IRPF-Livre 2012. pelo que estou vendo no mapeamentoTxt.xml do IRPF2012, vai dar bem pouco trabalho este ano!Apr 26 06:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] :( my favorite f-Droid eBookReader was Pageturner, but now that I am finally in #CyanogenMod it isn't on the list! Ideas anyone?Apr 26 06:18
formic_oh yeah scientesApr 26 06:30
formic_I'm CanadianApr 26 06:30
formic_ 26 06:30
formic_ In general, the unauthorized copying or distribution of copyrighted material for profit is illegal under Canada's Copyright Act., however the act also states under the section "Copying for Private Use ... onto an audio recording medium for the private use of the person who makes the copy does not constitute an infringement of the copyright in the musical work, the performer’s performance or the sound recording."Apr 26 06:31
formic_For a brief period in 2004/2005, the sharing of copyrighted music files via peer-to-peer online systems was explicitly legal, due to a decision by the Federal Court, in BMG Canada Inc. v. John Doe.[9] Under certain conditions both downloading and uploading were held to be legal.Apr 26 06:33
formic_Around the same time that the CRIA successfully took Demonoid offline, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) made it clear that pursuing Demonoid’s users is not a priority for them. Demonoid came back online in April 2008, but is now hosted in Ukraine.Apr 26 06:35
formic_Gotta love that oneApr 26 06:35
formic_According to the RCMP it is impossible to track down who uploads music or movies to the Internet. The police simply do not have the time nor the resources to go after file sharers. "Piracy for personal use is no longer targeted", said Noël St-Hilaire, head of copyright theft investigations of the RCMP in an interview with Le Devoir. St-Hilaire explained that they would rather focus on crimes that actually hurt consumers such Apr 26 06:36
formic_as copyright violations related to medicine and electrical appliances, as well as ones that affect organized crime.Apr 26 06:36
formic_Canada makes sense sometimesApr 26 06:36
cubezzzyeah RCMP don't go after the small fryApr 26 06:40
formic_personal use doesn't hurt anyoneApr 26 06:41
cubezzzscans are probably killing the used book stores thoughApr 26 06:41
formic_its people who run gangs and sell the stuffApr 26 06:41
cubezzzthey are dropping like fliesApr 26 06:41
formic_actuallyApr 26 06:42
formic_go to ebay.caApr 26 06:42
formic_these people are selling them at way higher pricesApr 26 06:42
formic_10cents ? no way lets put it in "Antique Books" for $500Apr 26 06:42
cubezzzwell there's always collectors looking for stuffApr 26 06:43
cubezzzmost people aren't going to pay $500 for a bookApr 26 06:43
formic_yeah but some one willApr 26 06:43
formic_everyone has a different book they are looking for, if you have a store full of them chances are you'll probably make more moneyApr 26 06:44
cubezzzI do buy some used computer booksApr 26 06:44
formic_even if the books only get like $50-100Apr 26 06:44
cubezzzbut they are usually less than $20Apr 26 06:44
formic_ 26 06:45
scientesformic_, what type of herb are you smoking?Apr 26 06:45
formic_I bet you value village would probably sell that for $15Apr 26 06:45
cubezzzhahaApr 26 06:45
cubezzzI've bought some books from Value Village :)Apr 26 06:46
scientesall computer books do is go out of datwApr 26 06:46
formic_I have this ginormous webster dictionary that was about $5Apr 26 06:46
scientesif someone is interested in history, then they already have enough reading materials, and will use just the online versions of thingsApr 26 06:46
cubezzzscientes, there is also the historical interest for computers and computer booksApr 26 06:47
cubezzzCDC, IBM, etcApr 26 06:47
cubezzzDECApr 26 06:47
scientesand the few ancient things that are still relevent (K&R, FORTRAN, and similar) have new editions which conform to new standardsApr 26 06:47
scientesoh, yeah EBCDIC, sureApr 26 06:48
scienteslets all go back to EBCDICApr 26 06:48
cubezzzI still run CP/M and VM/SPApr 26 06:48
scientes"expanding to include 16-bit CPUs"Apr 26 06:49
scientesLOLOLOLOLApr 26 06:49
cubezzzUnix was originally a 16-bit OSApr 26 06:50
cubezzzPDP-11Apr 26 06:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] My #Anonymous (We Are Legion) Video (ehrm... slide show) has gone Gold on Youtube 26 06:50
scientesyes, far more modern than the 8-bit CP/MApr 26 06:50
formic_hmmApr 26 06:51
formic_somewhere I have MS-DOS 6.22 and Windows for Workgrounps 3.11Apr 26 06:51
scientesalso: linux was 32-bit from the startApr 26 06:52
scientesit was even MMU from the startApr 26 06:53
scientes 26 06:54
scientes"almost twice the number of instructions as the competitor!"Apr 26 06:54
scientesthose pesky intel 8080!Apr 26 06:55
cubezzza lot of the early ads were sillyApr 26 06:55
scientes"gentlemen, the choice of weapons is yours"Apr 26 06:55
scienteslolApr 26 06:55
scientes"advance in-circuit debug"!Apr 26 06:56
scientes*real-time debugApr 26 06:56
cubezzzthere were a ton of z80 based computers in the 70'sApr 26 06:56
formic_ 26 06:58
cubezzzmostly my interest in historical IBM mainframes are computers I actually worked onApr 26 06:58
cubezzznow I can run VM/SP on a desktop, which is a lot of funApr 26 06:59
scientes*total* software compatibilityApr 26 06:59
scientes16-bit-arithmatic!Apr 26 06:59
scientes"high level languages such as PL/Z"Apr 26 06:59
scienteshaha not i have to look that up :PApr 26 06:59
scientesbet it doesn't have garbage controlApr 26 06:59
scientesi wonder what is going to happen to the gazillions of interpreted perl wannabeesApr 26 07:00
scientesis there going to be no end to entropy?Apr 26 07:00
scientesindeed only really C, and to a lesser extent FORTRAN really survive that eraApr 26 07:00
scientesCOBOL and BASIC are basically deadApr 26 07:00
scientesoh, and bashApr 26 07:00
formic_not for longApr 26 07:01
scientesbut systemd is kicking bashes assApr 26 07:01
cubezzzuh, some people still use COBOLApr 26 07:01
formic_www.golang.orgApr 26 07:01
scientesoh, i thought you were mentioning systemd formic_ Apr 26 07:01
scientescause that is a threat to bashApr 26 07:01
cubezzzwhy are you comparing bash to systemd?Apr 26 07:02
scientesnot really, but in a wayApr 26 07:02
cubezzzthe two are completely differentApr 26 07:02
scientesid just like people to use python and perl instead of bashApr 26 07:02
formic_bash has nothing to do with systemdApr 26 07:02
formic_whatApr 26 07:03
cubezzzo_OApr 26 07:03
scientesoh, ill shut upApr 26 07:03
formic_you mean bash scripting right?Apr 26 07:03
scientesformic_, what is go great about go?Apr 26 07:03
formic_ 26 07:03
formic_Ken Thompson is involvedApr 26 07:04
formic_co creator of CApr 26 07:04
formic_theres a good posibility that if your distro has gcc 4.7.x you'Apr 26 07:04
formic_you'll have a go compilerApr 26 07:04
scientesnah i have 4.6Apr 26 07:05
cubezzzcompare bash to csh, ksh, zsh etcApr 26 07:05
formic_Get the speed of C, add garbage collection and built in concurrencyApr 26 07:06
scienteshmm the capitalization scope rule is interestingApr 26 07:06
scientesits kinda against the convention i am use toApr 26 07:07
scienteshoweverApr 26 07:07
cubezzzChicken Scheme is interesting tooApr 26 07:07
scientesalso i kinda like the syntactic sugar of no required parantheese in rubyApr 26 07:07
cubezzzsome people recommend itApr 26 07:07
scienteswhich coffeescript brings to javascriptApr 26 07:07
cubezzzhmm, I guess it's just called Chicken actuallyApr 26 07:08
formic_oh wowApr 26 07:08
formic_ 26 07:08
formic_check that outApr 26 07:09
formic_go rewrites I thinkApr 26 07:09
scientesjust rewritten c libs?Apr 26 07:09
formic_perhapsApr 26 07:09
formic_thats stuff you can importApr 26 07:09
scienteshow about importing C and C++?Apr 26 07:10
formic_like import "fmt"Apr 26 07:10
cubezzzalso FreeBASIC isn't too badApr 26 07:10
formic_why would you?Apr 26 07:10
scientescause there is alot more software thenApr 26 07:10
scienteslike lets say you want to use qtApr 26 07:10
scientesor gtk+Apr 26 07:10
formic_you can use qt or gtk+ with many languagesApr 26 07:10
formic_you can use gtk+ with bash scriptApr 26 07:10
scientesthats why vala is so big in the gnome communityApr 26 07:10
scientescause its just CApr 26 07:11
formic_well you can import stuff from CApr 26 07:11
formic_just that they don't gain any advantages, its CApr 26 07:11
scientescause go has modern garbasge colection?Apr 26 07:11
formic_yesApr 26 07:12
formic_lol, in #go-nuts - its apparently trolling if you ask for gtk+ bindingsApr 26 07:12
scientesformic_, seeApr 26 07:12
scientesyou just use the CApr 26 07:13
cubezzzso what is the package name for installing go?Apr 26 07:13
formic_they're like "It's a SYSTEMS LANGUAGE"Apr 26 07:13
cubezzzor is there one?Apr 26 07:13
formic_cubezzz - what distroApr 26 07:13
formic_gcc-goApr 26 07:13
formic_or you can grab the one on the golang siteApr 26 07:13
cubezzzI run Fedora, OpenBSD, and VectorLinuxApr 26 07:14
formic_gcc isn't at go 1 yetApr 26 07:14
formic_Fedora 17 has it as far as I knowApr 26 07:14
cubezzzoh okApr 26 07:14
cubezzzpretty new thenApr 26 07:14
formic_yeahApr 26 07:14
formic_ 26 07:15
formic_ 26 07:15
scientes 26 07:15
scientesformic_, so what have you programmed with it?Apr 26 07:15
cubezzzI use motif/xlib still :)Apr 26 07:15
formic_nothingApr 26 07:15
scienteshow do they recommend validating your input?Apr 26 07:15
formic_I just found out about it recentlyApr 26 07:15
scientes 26 07:16
cubezzzwell I still use C mostlyApr 26 07:16
scientescubezzz, do you use a garbage collector?Apr 26 07:16
cubezzzscientes, nopeApr 26 07:16
formic_the official binary is actually "go"Apr 26 07:16
formic_go run hello.goApr 26 07:16
scientescubezzz, seems like slow going thenApr 26 07:17
cubezzzslow?Apr 26 07:17
scientesin terms of developmenApr 26 07:17
formic_go get http://a.mercurial.repo/Apr 26 07:17
formic_oh sickApr 26 07:18
formic_ 26 07:18
formic_Writing Web ApplicationsApr 26 07:18
cubezzzgarbage collection can make your program stallApr 26 07:18
scientesseems to me you can have lots of programming features without sacrificing speedApr 26 07:18
formic_I've read stuff about people turning it offApr 26 07:18
cubezzzdepends on what you're working onApr 26 07:19
formic_though they say this garbage collection has no impact on speedApr 26 07:19
scientesas long as you carefully define your interfacesApr 26 07:19
scientesand have them guaranteedApr 26 07:19
scientesand then compile the language for those constraintsApr 26 07:19
scientes*compile the programApr 26 07:19
scientesbut i guess compilers arn't that goodApr 26 07:19
cubezzzI want my programs to run as fast as possibleApr 26 07:20
scienteshell i've seen assembly that was in the linux kernel simply to support old compilersApr 26 07:20
scientesso they pre-compiled itApr 26 07:20
formic_ 26 07:20
scientesformic_, why do you think this language is better than sliced bread?Apr 26 07:20
formic_it's object oriented, but no classes or sub classes though. inheritance is not primaryApr 26 07:21
formic_concurrentApr 26 07:21
cubezzzFortran 2008 can do thatApr 26 07:22
cubezzznot that I've used it mind youApr 26 07:22
cubezzzI know the weather prediction folks use itApr 26 07:22
scientes<formic_> it's object oriented, but no classes or sub classes though. inheritance is not primaryApr 26 07:22
scientesso you mean its purely function, and secondarily object oriented?Apr 26 07:22
formic_it uses something called interfacesApr 26 07:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] !tzaf & g'nite !identiverseApr 26 07:23
cubezzzhonestly I don't think Go is used for anything seriousApr 26 07:24
formic_its newApr 26 07:25
formic_"There are two Go compiler implementations, gc (the 6g program and friends) and gccgo. Gc uses a different calling convention and linker and can therefore only be linked with C programs using the same convention. There is such a C compiler but no C++ compiler. Gccgo is a GCC front-end that can, with care, be linked with GCC-compiled C or C++ programs."Apr 26 07:26
scientescubezzz, probably true even inside googleApr 26 07:27
formic_ 26 07:28 actually runs GoApr 26 07:28
formic_the webserverApr 26 07:28
cubezzzDigital Effects used APL to write some programs for TronApr 26 07:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] Al bijna 3 uur wakker en nog geen #koffie gedronken, schande!Apr 26 07:28
cubezzzyou know, if you want to try something different :)Apr 26 07:29
formic_ROFLApr 26 07:30
formic_ 26 07:30
formic_ 26 07:30
formic_damn that looks easyApr 26 07:30
scientes> /iTunesApr 26 07:31
scientesnuf saidApr 26 07:31
cubezzzC really caught on fairly fastApr 26 07:31
scientesif err != nil {Apr 26 07:31
scientespanic(err)Apr 26 07:31
scientes}Apr 26 07:31
formic_scientes - don't be a naziApr 26 07:31
scientesthat is really verboseApr 26 07:31
scientesin ruby you would just do: raise if err.nil?Apr 26 07:32
scienteswait, raise unless err.nil?Apr 26 07:32
scientesor actually raise err unless err.nil?Apr 26 07:33
cubezzzdo you guys write gui programs?Apr 26 07:33
formic_noApr 26 07:33
cubezzzback when I did Xenix work, there was only cursesApr 26 07:34
cubezzzpretty dullApr 26 07:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Which Linux Distro Is Fairest of Them All? Ubuntu, Survey Says #gnu #linux #ubuntu #fossApr 26 07:35
cubezzzmotif/xlib is nice and compact Apr 26 07:38
cubezzzway more compact than those KDE monster-sized programsApr 26 07:39
cubezzzprogrammers don't put enough effort into making things small and compact these daysApr 26 07:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Valve is working on Steam and "Left 4 Dead 2" for Linux #gnu #linux #software #game #graphicsApr 26 07:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Phew! I did a "yum update -y" on my F16 x86_64 laptop, then did a preupgrade and now am fully running on a Fedora 17 system. Yay! #fb #inApr 26 07:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] now it is back to a daily "yum update -y" :-)Apr 26 07:57
scientes<cubezzz> back when I did Xenix work, there was only cursesApr 26 07:59
scienteshey, ncurses apps can be pretty slickApr 26 07:59
cubezzzscientes, agreedApr 26 07:59
scientesaptitude is a good exampleApr 26 08:00
scientesso is htopApr 26 08:00
cubezzzbut it's nice to be able to hack up a motif/xlib programApr 26 08:00
scientesyeah but ncurses is great for apps that also belong on a serverApr 26 08:00
cubezzzor I should say lesstif/xlibApr 26 08:00
cubezzzscientes, yeah it would be faster certainlyApr 26 08:01 would be awesome if gtk and qt and enlightenment were network transparentApr 26 08:01
cubezzzthey are :)Apr 26 08:01
scientescause x11 network transparency is totally broken, ppl know thatApr 26 08:01
scientescause you just send picturesApr 26 08:02
scientesso why not just use bitscraping and call it doneApr 26 08:02
cubezzzI run the whole KDE gui via vncApr 26 08:02
scientesinstead of all this horriblenessApr 26 08:02
cubezzzI have no problems with itApr 26 08:02
scientesbut gtk and qt , making those themselves transparent would make it really efficientApr 26 08:02
scientesand nativeApr 26 08:02
cubezzzsaves me from using kvm switchesApr 26 08:02
scientesand you could even do 3DApr 26 08:02
scientesyou would just have to build a seccomp client as an add-on to waylandApr 26 08:03
scientes(and the app would have to work on wayland, xlib stuff is broken with this model)Apr 26 08:03
scientesthat would run the gtk and qt binaries, and accept pushed fontsApr 26 08:03
cubezzzI can control the desktop GUI of any computer on my LAN without getting off my butt :)Apr 26 08:03
scienteswell the problem with VNC and similar (SPICE et al)Apr 26 08:04
scientesis that they are slower than nativeApr 26 08:04
scientesthey certainly work, and are decentApr 26 08:04
cubezzzscientes, it's fast enough to get work doneApr 26 08:04
cubezzzgood enough is good enoughApr 26 08:04
scientesbut getting true networking in gtk and qt would enable what x11 meant to do with its network transparency (but which doesn't work today)Apr 26 08:04
scientesand is actually to the siprit of the design of x11Apr 26 08:05
scientescubezzz, i find your solution uglyApr 26 08:05
scientescause of duplicate window managementApr 26 08:05
scientesfor that reason i use ssh -XApr 26 08:05
scientesbuy wayland will provide individual app forwardingApr 26 08:05
scienteswith bit scrapingApr 26 08:05
scientesbut i still think  building it into qt and gtk and enlightenment would be pretty kick-assApr 26 08:05
cubezzzyeah but I can use klipper and all the other elements of KDE as wellApr 26 08:06
scientesklipper works with forw3arded x11 windowsApr 26 08:07
cubezzzI'm not using just one app eitherApr 26 08:07
scientescubezzz, also, check out x2xApr 26 08:07
scientesit blow non-GNU/Linux people awayApr 26 08:07
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cubezzzscientes, is there a package for that?Apr 26 08:11
cubezzzhmm, looks like Fedora dropped it a while agoApr 26 08:13
scientesits still in debianApr 26 08:13
scientesand ubuntuApr 26 08:13
scienteswonder why fedora dropped it, maybe they dropped the XTEST extention from their builds of x11.....Apr 26 08:14
cubezzzdoesn't seem to be in slack either :-/Apr 26 08:14
cubezzzmaybe OpenBSD...Apr 26 08:14
scientesanyways, you only need xtest on the computer that DOESN"T have x2xApr 26 08:15
cubezzzyup, it's in thereApr 26 08:15
scienteswait the other way aroundApr 26 08:15
scientesyou only need XTEST on the computer running x2xApr 26 08:15
scientesits confusing cause you use it like thus: ssh -X user@host.local x2x -east -to :0Apr 26 08:16
cubezzzI could try running just kooka via ssh -X Apr 26 08:16
cubezzzyeah ok, now I remember why I don't do that :)Apr 26 08:18
cubezzzit doesn't workApr 26 08:18
cubezzzmy xlib programs work, but not kooka, hmmmApr 26 08:21
cubezzzstupid kooka :-/Apr 26 08:21
cubezzzone day I'll write a gui scanner frondend that's compactApr 26 08:22
cubezzzI could just scan the whole area and post-process itApr 26 08:23
cubezzzxsane works thoughApr 26 08:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] Very cool project: OpenRelief 26 08:27
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cubezzzactually forget about using ssh -X for scanning programs :-/Apr 26 08:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Firefox 12 released - can now update itself #mozilla #firefox #browser #web #microsoft #windows #gnu #linuxApr 26 08:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] OpenRelief: Clearing the Fog of Disaster #gnu #linux #hardware #software #avionicsApr 26 08:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] Aha! *Now* the Nokia Lumia series makes a lot more sense all of a sudden. 26 08:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] DEZVĂLUIRI Omoruri şi jafuri la „eliberarea“ Basarabiei #romania #moldova #basarabia #history #photoApr 26 08:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Parlament schwächt Schutz des Regenwalds - when you think it can't get any worse, it does... #brazil #environmentApr 26 09:05
scientes<cubezzz> actually forget about using ssh -X for scanning programs :-/Apr 26 09:11
scientesscanning?Apr 26 09:11
cubezzzflatbed scannerApr 26 09:12
cubezzzmaybe it has trouble with programs that open multiple windowsApr 26 09:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Opening Government: On the Limits of FOIA & the Metaphor of Transparency - "#transparency a precondition for #openness"Apr 26 09:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Mesmerizing Visualization Maps Every Transportation Route on Earth - watch the anthropocene unfoldApr 26 09:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Spain: Draft law criminalising online organisation of public protests - insane; Franco would be proud (v @_NetFreedom_)Apr 26 09:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Canadian University Association Surrenders Completely By Withdrawing From #Copyright Hearings - 1st #tarsands, now thisApr 26 09:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #TSA agents harass 7-year-old girl with cerebral palsy and developmental disability - utter scum #bulliesApr 26 09:37
iophkIt looks like Opera's speed dial is pushing Bing.Apr 26 09:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Bugs pick up pesticide resistance from pesticide-eating bacteria - #evolution in actionApr 26 09:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] US Department of Defense and !freesoftware: 26 09:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] Broschüre: "Arbeitsalltag Digital" von verfügbar 26 10:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Gratulujemy - @IgorOstrowski, jako pierwszy Polak, został członkiem Multistakeholder Advisory Group: /cc @maicApr 26 10:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] Tor/Forge to drop #DRM from #ebooks; cite pressure from readers 26 10:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] RT @grote RT @eco_de Einführung der Vorratsdatenspeicherung verursacht mehr wirtschaftlichen Schaden als Brüsseler Strafzahlungen: http: ...Apr 26 10:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻@teirdes: #EIPR12 Professor from Univ of London "patents, trademarks & copyright are different worlds and should be dealt with differently"Apr 26 10:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] that is *so awesome*! ♻ @haiko: stroll.js #css3 #scroll #effects #webdev bye bye flash...Apr 26 10:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] Looking forward to meet !freesoftware supporters at !fsfe event in #Lisboa 26 10:17
iophk 26 10:47
iophkcontrast with /. spin for M$:Apr 26 10:49 26 10:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] ROTFL - "Do you believe in The Cloud?" "Hm. Well. I do believer there is something out there ..." - via +Kees de Heer ... 26 10:52
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] #what? #CISPA gives total immunity for privacy all fails to participating companies: 26 11:42
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Diablo-D3wait hold upApr 26 12:14
Diablo-D3since when did glynmoody write for techdirtApr 26 12:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] do #Levenson witnesses risk perjury if found to be lying in their evidence?Apr 26 12:43
kari_that is correctApr 26 13:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] “Together we know everything….And together we have everything” - wow, brilliant formulation (v @eurovilles @mbauwens)Apr 26 13:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Google Docs - Y U no offer ODF? #fail [EDIT] To be more precise: Y no ODP in presentations? ODF support IMHO means a... 26 13:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] “Together we know everything….And together we have everything” - wow, brilliant formulation (v @eurovilles @mbauwens)Apr 26 14:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Peak plastic 26 14:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Peak plastic 26 14:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Norwegian Security Service Wants Details Of Citizens' Web Comments Retained For Six Months 26 14:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jrepin/@jrepin] RT @fsfe #Ansol and !fsfe invite all !freesoftware supporters to their party in #Lisboa 26 15:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jrepin/@jrepin] RT @fsfe #Ansol and !fsfe invite all !freesoftware supporters to their party in #Lisboa 26 15:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] And while it is wrong (and even illegal) to do this, copying is NOT stealing. Let's avoid that fallacy, shall we? It i... 26 15:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] The Sorry State of ODF support at Google:- No ODP support in Google Presentations. Neither import nor export.- GMail c... 26 15:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Donos de Portugal on Vimeo #pt agora só falta mesmo é fazer um #docs sobre os fantoches que colocam no poderApr 26 16:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] New Blog Post | Open Respect #FOSS #fbApr 26 16:33
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] 'How I hacked Hollywood,' a cautionary tale 26 16:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #TSA Defends Pat Down of 4-Year-Old Girl 26 16:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] why don't app makers release their own apps inside their own marketplaces to get round the restrictions placed on them by #Google & #Apple?Apr 26 16:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] Well for !freesoftware supporters it is "#freedom protecting" not #contamination 26 17:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] Zu "Markenverwässerung"(R) 26 17:00
XFaCE[11:55] -TRIdentica/#techrights- [thistleweb/@thistleweb] why don't app makers release their own apps inside their own marketplaces to get round the restrictions placed on them by #Google & #Apple? {04/26/12 [11:53:29 AM]}Apr 26 17:01
XFaCEDiablo-D3: See? See? Perfectly good reason for multiple app stores.Apr 26 17:02
Diablo-D3no it isntApr 26 17:02
Diablo-D3that only explains why slideme existsApr 26 17:02
Diablo-D3so we can install emulatorsApr 26 17:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] Inside view from !fellow .@h2 about the Chinese firewall #censorshipApr 26 17:03
XFaCEDiablo-D3: I supposeApr 26 17:05
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Equipment Maker Caught Installing Backdoor Account in Control System Code | #FAIL #securityApr 26 17:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] Interview mit !fellow @fastedi über #Piratenpartei und #FreieSoftware 26 17:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Graphene found to emit infrared light 26 17:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] ColorHug drops remote disable 26 17:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] #SPON "Gefangen in der Wolke" mit Kommentaren von Richard 26 17:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] New Blog Post | #Softalicious Install Issues 26 17:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Congress Decides To Ignore Privacy Concerns, Refuses To Even Consider Key #CISPA Amendments business as usual thenApr 26 17:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] PI is seeking a new Head of International Advocacy - alas, you have to give them your name to apply... #privacyApr 26 17:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] RT @jwildeboer The Sorry State of ODF support at Google:- No ODP support in Google Presentations. Neither import nor export.- GMail c... ...Apr 26 17:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Teach kids about open source on Take Our Daughters and Sons to Work Day | 26 17:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Dear friends, Just out of curiosity, does a Gambas executable program need the Gambas interpreter to run ??? Thanks in advanceApr 26 17:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] #Ubuntu 26 17:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] The Sorry State of #ODF support at Google: 26 17:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Waiting for Henrik Sandkleft but the airport international exit...Apr 26 17:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] OB Kandidat für #Jena zu #FreierSoftware !fs, #Bildung, etc. 26 17:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[serk01/@serk01] "Rebooting this blog" 26 18:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: Präsentation online @ RT @effemm: @ccbuhr stellt Digitale Agenda der EU vor http://t 26 18:07
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] TeK > Parlamento Europeu aconselhado a rejeitar acordo internacional contra a pirataria #ACTA #EUApr 26 18:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] I'd hate to be a #Tesco employee or shareholder being told the share price or wages were going up; in #Tescoland up & down are reversedApr 26 18:25
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formic_12:00 <@XFaCE> Diablo-D3: See? See? Perfectly good reason for multiple app stores.Apr 26 18:33
formic_Xface: I think there is a reason some of this stuff doesn't pass in the android marketplaceApr 26 18:33
formic_I don't mind manually installing emulators or whatever if Google is trying to keep my device malware freeApr 26 18:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] #adobe accelerates #cs6 with !opencl cc @nj3ma @kelzOKO @dennisMungaiApr 26 18:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Guest Post: H.L. Mencken Was Right | ZeroHedge WOW...great article, must read! #usa #world #politics #governmentApr 26 18:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] No, you are not.Apr 26 18:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Microsoft Office 15 to support #ODF 1.2 - The H Open Source once again the cancer is cured, isn't it mr Ballmer?!Apr 26 18:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] You may see some stuff from a few hours ago coming across the realtime updates. !identicaApr 26 18:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] Apr 26 18:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Report: #Microsoft tried and FAILED to offload #Bing on #Facebook • The Register #crashandburnApr 26 18:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] UK Open Standards consultation – important update - whoa, do not miss this bombshell (v @DigDirEng) #openstandardsApr 26 18:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] What's new in #Ubuntu 12.04 LTS - The H Open Source: News and Features #gnulinuxApr 26 18:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] We're updating again.Apr 26 18:57
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] IRPF-Livre 2012 parece que “já” está funcionando! svn checkout para experimentar. !fsfla !softwarelivre #softimpApr 26 18:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] RT @eloquence Very cool real-time stream of tweets referencing Wikipedia, with article snippets alongside them: 26 19:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] ≧^◡^≦Apr 26 19:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Something weird going on with non-latin scripts. I need to check this out.Apr 26 19:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #CC Seeking Project Coordinator for Science & Data - sadly only based in US (hey, think global, no?) (v @hadleybeeman)Apr 26 19:12
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] This is huge: UK Standards consultation moderator was paid Microsoft consultant via @glynmoodyApr 26 19:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] UK Cabinet Office does the right thing wrt #UKorruption: Throws out results from Microsoft submarine's round table, will repeat sessionApr 26 19:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] .@OpenMedia_ca keeps up the pressure against #CISPA & Canada's #C30 surveillance bill #cdnpoliApr 26 19:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] Boy, I bet someone at the UK Cabinet Office is really angry right now #UKorruptionApr 26 19:17
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Yeah, that's about right.Apr 26 19:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] FRAND is a FRAUD - Joint statement by FSFE and FSF on UK Open Standards consultation 26 19:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] I think when mysql-proxy is diverting read-queries to the slaves, it's not doing the 'SET NAMES "utf8"' correctlyApr 26 19:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] [Phoronix] Many #FSF Priority Projects Still Not Progressing 26 19:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] That's pretty impressive anywayApr 26 19:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Not quite out of the woods. Seems like I'm having some charset problems.Apr 26 19:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] RT @karsten Boy, I bet someone at the UK Cabinet Office is really angry right now #UKorruptionApr 26 19:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] RT @karsten This is huge: UK Standards consultation moderator was paid Microsoft consultant via @glynmoodyApr 26 19:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Returning from "After !ACTA" conference in Cracow, PL; just got msg I'm invited to speak at copyrights conference in... Cracow, PL in a weekApr 26 19:27
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Sorry, I'm having some problems with the DB, working on it right now.Apr 26 19:33
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formic_xface - with golang, it seems you can import libraries using URL'sApr 26 20:23
formic_the compiler takes care of everything and there is no need for makefilesApr 26 20:23
formic_go is makefile free, if done rightApr 26 20:23
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formic_jono - do you know anything about Canonical's use of Google's Go language?Apr 26 21:27
formic_jono - 26 21:27
jonoformic_, there is a lot of internal interestApr 26 21:28
jonomainly people exploring itApr 26 21:28
formic_it seems pretty revolutionaryApr 26 21:29
formic_you can import their version of libraries using url's in your codeApr 26 21:29
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DaemonFCOpera 12 beta is out finallyApr 26 23:12
DaemonFCit took them so long that they eventually backported the less disruptive changes into the 11.x series and made an 11.6 releaseApr 26 23:13
DaemonFCthe biggest change is the OpenGL or DirectX backend for VegaApr 26 23:13
DaemonFCeverything you do in Opera is hardware accelerated now assuming your hardware and drivers are capable (even the menus!)Apr 26 23:14
DaemonFC 26 23:15
DaemonFCA full list of rendering engine changesApr 26 23:15
DaemonFCFirefox only has very limited support for WebGL, it will work but anyone that isn't using Nvidia's proprietary driver won't get an acceptable rendering speedApr 26 23:16
DaemonFCOpera supports it on both AMD and Nvidia, as well as Mesa assuming you have at least 7.10.3Apr 26 23:17
DaemonFCFirefox gave up and blacklisted hardware accelerated WebGL for AMD Catalyst because it would often cause the browser or X to crash, and with Mesa, it would actually render slower and leak memoryApr 26 23:18
DaemonFCbut at the same time, they've made sure DirectX works fineApr 26 23:19
DaemonFCLinux Mint Debian got a refresh that rolls Update Pack 4Apr 26 23:21
DaemonFC 26 23:21
DaemonFCOpera and Linux Mint came to a compromise regarding search revenueApr 26 23:22
DaemonFCLinux Mint was hijacking Opera users search engine preference for revenue purposes and depriving Opera of their income, so Opera introduced a search hijack prevention featureApr 26 23:22
DaemonFCafter a while of going back and forth, they finally agreed that Linux Mint will carry Opera with shared revenue for both of them, and if the user gets Opera directly, then Linux Mint will leave its search aloneApr 26 23:23
DaemonFCsearch hijacking was one of the reasons I haven't bothered with Linux MintApr 26 23:24
DaemonFCthey were fairly aggressive about forcing you to use a crippled version of Google with their ads all over the placeApr 26 23:24
DaemonFCif you fixed it, the next Firefox update from Linux Mint would put their crippled Google search backApr 26 23:25
MinceRdo they still do it?Apr 26 23:25
DaemonFCno ideaApr 26 23:26
DaemonFCI don't want to use a crippled version of Firefox that keeps forcing me to use a crippled version of Google so Linux Mint can make a few bucksApr 26 23:27
DaemonFCand at that time, they were even reaching in and overwriting Opera's search engines tooApr 26 23:27
DaemonFCso there was really no escaping itApr 26 23:27
DaemonFCMinceR, It's clear they're greedy and piss all over you if you try to fix their issues. Plus, the main developer at one point was saying that unless you recognized the legitimacy of Palestinian suicide bombers, you shouldn't use or donate to Linux Mint.Apr 26 23:31
DaemonFCAnd since I don't happen to like the Israelis or the Palestinians, and making such a demand of your users goes outside of the scope of a software license and makes the entire distribution nonfree....Apr 26 23:32
DaemonFCwell, he later retracted thatApr 26 23:32
DaemonFCbut I thought it was insane that he felt entitled to make that demand in the first placeApr 26 23:32
DaemonFCI guess he could since you can license the compilation itself however you want to, even if that makes it nonfreeApr 26 23:33
DaemonFCbut, his erratic behavior and bizarre demands lead me to wonder if it will happen againApr 26 23:34
DaemonFCMinceR, We've seen nonfree Linux distributions before with extravagant and abusive EULAsApr 26 23:35
DaemonFCI consider his blog post to taint Linux Mint itselfApr 26 23:36
DaemonFCmaybe he should just think before he speaks, but the results are a malicious denial of service attack via EULAApr 26 23:36
MinceRwas it a part of the distro EULA?Apr 26 23:37
DaemonFCit sets a condition of use for the Linux Mint compilation, from a person with the authority to designate the copyright terms for Linux MintApr 26 23:38
DaemonFCyou tell me what it wasApr 26 23:38
DaemonFC:)Apr 26 23:38
MinceRcould it be legally binding?Apr 26 23:39
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DaemonFCit would be difficult to enforce unless someone admitted they were using Linux Mint and didn't recognize the legitimacy of "Palestine"Apr 26 23:40
MinceR:>Apr 26 23:41
DaemonFCbut that doesn't mean it's not "theoretically" bindingApr 26 23:41
DaemonFCand it's certainly outside of the scope of what a software license should be trying to demandApr 26 23:41
DaemonFCand it is a restriction on USE, which makes the software in question nonfreeApr 26 23:41
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DaemonFCMinceR, Fedora omits software for having things like "Use this software for good, not evil" in the licenseApr 26 23:42
DaemonFCthey consider it nonfree and "impossible to parse"Apr 26 23:42
MinceR:>Apr 26 23:43
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