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| XFaCE | DaemonFC: You checkmated jono | Apr 26 00:00 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] Again, whoever it turns out to be, I hope they pay well. Being a bastard is tiring work. Apparently. | Apr 26 00:00 | |
| DaemonFC | it's not a question of if they will allow DRM, it's only a question of how the DRM will be delivered | Apr 26 00:01 |
| DaemonFC | it's like saying the driver of a getaway car shouldn't be punished because he didn't actually go in and rob the store | Apr 26 00:01 |
| XFaCE | yep | Apr 26 00:01 |
| XFaCE | Non-guity by ignorance | Apr 26 00:02 |
| XFaCE | or non-action | Apr 26 00:02 |
| XFaCE | or inaction | Apr 26 00:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] o_O #FCB is trending? Time to sleep. | Apr 26 00:02 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] I try to take it as a sign I am achieving something, but the stop-energy can get overwhelming. | Apr 26 00:03 | |
| scientes | XFaCE, wtf | Apr 26 00:04 |
| scientes | and steam has way too much cred from what i can see | Apr 26 00:04 |
| XFaCE | scientes: To what | Apr 26 00:04 |
| XFaCE | scientes: What are you refering to | Apr 26 00:04 |
| scientes | <XFaCE> DaemonFC: OMG Steam's coming to Linux!! Uhh again | Apr 26 00:05 |
| scientes | ye, you can keep your drm on the platforms i dont use, like PS3, xbox, windows, and apple | Apr 26 00:06 |
| scientes | *yes | Apr 26 00:06 |
| dyfet | Why would it be good to trap users in malicious anti-user technologies? | Apr 26 00:06 |
| scientes | anti-features as i like to call them | Apr 26 00:06 |
| XFaCE | scientes: I was making fun of Phorenix's repeated claims of Steam being ported | Apr 26 00:07 |
| dyfet | anti-features or malicious features certainly seem correct terms | Apr 26 00:07 |
| XFaCE | scientes: Not as an excitedness that Steam's comin apparently | Apr 26 00:07 |
| scientes | http://wiki.mako.cc/Antifeatures | Apr 26 00:08 |
| scientes | "apparently" | Apr 26 00:08 |
| scientes | just like "apparent" ubuntu wont switch to systemd | Apr 26 00:08 |
| scientes | and "apparently" they will manage to port it to wayland | Apr 26 00:08 |
| scientes | if this trend continues pretty soon ubuntu wont look anything like the other distributions | Apr 26 00:09 |
| scientes | and then when stuff starts to break, noone will care, cause canonical isn't funding the big projects, like the kernel...oh wait | Apr 26 00:09 |
| scientes | thats their brilliance | Apr 26 00:09 |
| scientes | the more stable and successful something is the less they contribute :P | Apr 26 00:10 |
| dyfet | I think that is their intent, to define "Ubuntu" as "something else", for branding purposes | Apr 26 00:10 |
| scientes | well i was just mentioning that | Apr 26 00:10 |
| scientes | <scientes> http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/why-is-it-free | Apr 26 00:10 |
| scientes | <scientes> http://www.ubuntu.com/sites/default/files/active/images/quotesFreedom.png | Apr 26 00:10 |
| scientes | <scientes> "Our global community" | Apr 26 00:10 |
| scientes | "the ubuntu Operating system" | Apr 26 00:11 |
| XFaCE | yeah, it's marketing hype | Apr 26 00:11 |
| scientes | and here is the anti-feature article: https://www.fsf.org/bulletin/2007/fall/antifeatures/ | Apr 26 00:11 |
| scientes | but that FUD is really the worst | Apr 26 00:11 |
| scientes | and LOL PICTURE | Apr 26 00:11 |
| scientes | cause they can't svg worth crap i guess | Apr 26 00:11 |
| scientes | or just do a css overlay | Apr 26 00:12 |
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| XFaCE | scientes: do they even define Freedom as in freedom? | Apr 26 00:12 |
| scientes | XFaCE, not really | Apr 26 00:12 |
| XFaCE | scientes: Looks like they only say Free as beer | Apr 26 00:12 |
| scientes | "some of today's best software is based on an open-source model. Shared efforts. Shared principles. No cost." | Apr 26 00:12 |
| scientes | > "no cost" | Apr 26 00:12 |
| dyfet | Personally I would not care what they called it or how they choose to brand it, if they had cared about and educated their users more about software freedom | Apr 26 00:12 |
| scientes | bull fucking shit | Apr 26 00:13 |
| scientes | its very fucking expensive to developer this stuff | Apr 26 00:13 |
| scientes | ...just LESS EXPENSIVE (by an order of magnitude) than any other way of developing it | Apr 26 00:13 |
| scientes | dyfet, on one side i agree with you, but on another side, it all adds up | Apr 26 00:13 |
| scientes | and on this issue I have to go with Richard M Stallman | Apr 26 00:14 |
| scientes | who has generall been right all along on these issues | Apr 26 00:14 |
| dyfet | Well, it is an irrelevant argument anyway since they dont... | Apr 26 00:14 |
| scientes | Red Hat is a solid company | Apr 26 00:14 |
| scientes | I wish I didn't have technical arguments with them, like ptrace scope in selinux/fedora by default | Apr 26 00:15 |
| XFaCE | http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/cto/2977737272.html | Apr 26 00:15 |
| scientes | (I probably have more with ubuntu) | Apr 26 00:15 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Red Hat and SUSE join IBM in new Linux system, Canonical opts out http://ur1.ca/93n61 #redhat #suse #canonical #linux #gnu #ibm | Apr 26 00:15 | |
| scientes | "RADIO!" | Apr 26 00:16 |
| dyfet | There are things that are in Fedora due to redhat, but they are upfront about their relationship with their community | Apr 26 00:16 |
| scientes | indeed, EXTREMELY upfront | Apr 26 00:16 |
| scientes | and they do SOO much for the community | Apr 26 00:17 |
| scientes | in terms of critical projects, just look at nouveau | Apr 26 00:17 |
| dyfet | it is not perfect, but they are honest in how they relate and work with others | Apr 26 00:17 |
| scientes | so now, i dont know what to use for a touchscreen interface | Apr 26 00:17 |
| scientes | on a displaylink graphics (so no 3d unless i can indirect render somehow, which i dont think xorg supports, or if i use llvmpipe) | Apr 26 00:18 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Solved my printing problem… tho locked inside a virtual box #Windows took control of my printer. Micro$oft doesn't share well :( | Apr 26 00:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Jean-Staten Healy explains why 2012 is the break out year for #opensource KVM #virtualization http://ibm.co/ISvXjy #openKVM | Apr 26 00:18 | |
| scientes | argg cant find blank cd | Apr 26 00:19 |
| dyfet | and yes, there is their support for nouveau work :) | Apr 26 00:21 |
| scientes | which is something canonical wouldn't do in a thousand years ;) | Apr 26 00:22 |
| scientes | and i dont really see red hat's pressure on fedora as a problem | Apr 26 00:22 |
| scientes | it provides direction | Apr 26 00:22 |
| dyfet | Perhaps redhat is under appreciated at times | Apr 26 00:23 |
| scientes | and its not only 100% open source, but its also developed in the open | Apr 26 00:23 |
| scientes | unlike android for example | Apr 26 00:23 |
| scientes | or mozilla | Apr 26 00:23 |
| scientes | **mozill ais in the open | Apr 26 00:23 |
| dyfet | The fedora community itself is very open and peer oriented; its not who you know or if you have special resources to get to places that determine what and how you contribute; all are treated equally and fairly | Apr 26 00:25 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] Yesterday I asked on Facebook if people were excited for #ubuntu 12.04 - there are currently 6,734 likes - I guess that is a yes then. :-) | Apr 26 00:28 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Moving from #Gmail to #Hotmail: the disastrous conclusion | PC Pro blog http://goo.gl/HX5ha #crashandburn | Apr 26 00:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Survey data: #nginx poised to become number 2 web server | ITworld http://goo.gl/ZCzsu #floss | Apr 26 00:53 | |
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| _Goblin | well...wgat to do | Apr 26 00:59 |
| XFaCE | fucking wgat | Apr 26 01:00 |
| _Goblin | yep | Apr 26 01:00 |
| _Goblin | too right! | Apr 26 01:00 |
| XFaCE | lol | Apr 26 01:02 |
| XFaCE | [19:26] -TRIdentica/#techrights- [jonobacon/@jonobacon] Yesterday I asked on Facebook if people were excited for #ubuntu 12.04 - there are currently 6,734 likes - I guess that is a yes then. :-) | Apr 26 01:02 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: He did that just to poo on you | Apr 26 01:02 |
| _Goblin | lol... | Apr 26 01:03 |
| _Goblin | yep.... | Apr 26 01:03 |
| _Goblin | DaemonFC, can't talk....Mark and Jono have silenced his distro.... | Apr 26 01:04 |
| DaemonFC | evil bastards | Apr 26 01:04 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 26 01:04 |
| _Goblin | oh....youre back....now be good or they'll do it again | Apr 26 01:04 |
| dyfet | Hmm...I guess the other 200 million or so fb's just shrugged their shoulders then ;) | Apr 26 01:04 |
| _Goblin | maybe they couldn't access facebook because they were using IE and it was failing again badly. | Apr 26 01:05 |
| dyfet | just have to put it into perspective ;) | Apr 26 01:05 |
| _Goblin | perspective is great....... | Apr 26 01:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxfoundation/@linuxfoundation] Did you hear? We're launching a new event in 2012: CloudOpen. Check it out: http://bit.ly/IndIlr #linux #cloud #oss | Apr 26 01:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jankusanagi/@jankusanagi] RT @fsf "FRAND" is a FRAUD -- http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/frand-is-a-fraud !gnu !fsf !linux !cc !lp | Apr 26 01:07 | |
| DaemonFC | _Goblin, Microsoft is running this obnoxious Internet Explorer TV commercial lately | Apr 26 01:07 |
| _Goblin | yeah I saw | Apr 26 01:07 |
| DaemonFC | Why advertise it? They force it on everyone that uses Windows already. | Apr 26 01:08 |
| _Goblin | all Microsoft ads are obnoxious....they don't have a clue do they? | Apr 26 01:08 |
| _Goblin | they can't even get a PR stunt right | Apr 26 01:08 |
| DaemonFC | maybe they figure that any attention is good attention | Apr 26 01:08 |
| _Goblin | the iphone funeral springs to mind.... | Apr 26 01:08 |
| DaemonFC | some marketing campaigns are designed to annoy you just so you'll remember them | Apr 26 01:08 |
| _Goblin | Microsoft software annoys me without the need of any ads | Apr 26 01:09 |
| _Goblin | so do some of its advocates.....they are annoying.... | Apr 26 01:09 |
| _Goblin | "Vista is a gift to the world" | Apr 26 01:09 |
| XFaCE | Windows 7 is fucking gold | Apr 26 01:09 |
| _Goblin | "Kin is the greatest social phone ever" | Apr 26 01:09 |
| XFaCE | The ribbon interface is the best ever to happen to anything | Apr 26 01:09 |
| DaemonFC | I never used IE as my primary browser even when I used Windows | Apr 26 01:09 |
| XFaCE | I did, back in 1998 | Apr 26 01:10 |
| DaemonFC | I kicked it around a bit and gave up on it just as fast | Apr 26 01:10 |
| XFaCE | When I was not even a teenage | Apr 26 01:10 |
| XFaCE | r | Apr 26 01:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[dyfet/@dyfet] RT @fsf "FRAND" is a FRAUD -- http://ur1.ca/93mwr !gnu !fsf !linux !cc !lp | Apr 26 01:10 | |
| DaemonFC | it pretty much goes NCSA Mosaic, Netscape 0.9 through 3, hated Netscape 4, switched to Opera, switched back again to the Mozilla suite, Firefox | Apr 26 01:11 |
| DaemonFC | Netscape 4 was just horrible | Apr 26 01:11 |
| DaemonFC | everything about it | Apr 26 01:11 |
| DaemonFC | it was slow, unstable, you resized a window and it redownloaded and redrew the entire page.... | Apr 26 01:12 |
| DaemonFC | god help you if you came across a page that used CSS or Java, it had basic support for CSS, but even some CSS 1 crashed it | Apr 26 01:13 |
| DaemonFC | the Java VM took about 20-30 seconds just to load and you got to hear your hard drive thrashing while the browser sat there and said "Java starting..." | Apr 26 01:13 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox is still shedding vestigial Netscape crap | Apr 26 01:14 |
| DaemonFC | the Mozilla code base is getting to be so old and so complicated in spots that the current maintainers are afraid to touch it for fear they may break stuff unwittingly | Apr 26 01:15 |
| DaemonFC | it's turning into Netscape again through being completely overengineered | Apr 26 01:15 |
| DaemonFC | Netsurf looks promising | Apr 26 01:16 |
| DaemonFC | I like it I just wish it would do a few things it is not doing right now | Apr 26 01:16 |
| XFaCE | "So you're a thief, got it. "Oh I don't like phoronix so I block ads oh I hate micheal oh I like bitching oh everyone look I'm bitching here" You like phoronix enough to read it but not enough to tolerate a minor annoyance so a man has money to feed his family." | Apr 26 01:17 |
| XFaCE | BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWw | Apr 26 01:17 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Midori is excellent | Apr 26 01:18 |
| DaemonFC | you know, it's not advertising that bothers me | Apr 26 01:19 |
| DaemonFC | it's HOW they are advertising that bothers me | Apr 26 01:19 |
| DaemonFC | XFaCE, Netsurf has its own rendering engine | Apr 26 01:19 |
| DaemonFC | it's not just another misguided Webkit browser | Apr 26 01:19 |
| XFaCE | oh, you mean to THAT degree | Apr 26 01:19 |
| XFaCE | Well yeah, check back in 10 years | Apr 26 01:20 |
| DaemonFC | or someone trying to pretend you can get away with using Gecko if you're not Mozilla | Apr 26 01:20 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.netsurf-browser.org/ | Apr 26 01:20 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: already there | Apr 26 01:21 |
| dyfet | looks like they separated things into their own libraries, too.... | Apr 26 01:21 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Apr 26 01:21 |
| DaemonFC | no Javascript support currently | Apr 26 01:22 |
| DaemonFC | and no NPAPI | Apr 26 01:22 |
| DaemonFC | which means no Flash, if you give a shit | Apr 26 01:22 |
| dyfet | well, give them time to work in js... | Apr 26 01:23 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, it's supposed to be supported when 3.0 is out | Apr 26 01:24 |
| DaemonFC | http://idle.slashdot.org/story/12/04/25/2055225/microsofts-hotmail-challenge-backfires | Apr 26 01:27 |
| DaemonFC | nice | Apr 26 01:27 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2012/04/25/moving-from-gmail-to-hotmail-the-disastrous-conclusion/ | Apr 26 01:28 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] [$] LWN.net Weekly Edition for April 26, 2012 http://ur1.ca/93nwc | Apr 26 01:38 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Online-forums-hacked-and-misused-on-a-large-scale-1558917.html | Apr 26 01:52 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Important CA location privacy bill loses critical reporting requirements thanks to wireless companies https://eff.org/r.3Z6 | Apr 26 02:00 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Lovely: "Raising Kids Amid the Yuppies, Hipsters and Flakes in Vancouver's Trendiest Neighbourhood" http://www.ur1.ca/93o8i /v @PstTnse | Apr 26 02:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] I should say that http://www.ur1.ca/93o8i is in answer to the NatPo's "Raising kids....worst neighbourhood" http://www.ur1.ca/93oab !CDNpoli | Apr 26 02:25 | |
| formic_ | [20:17] <DaemonFC> XFaCE, Netsurf has its own rendering engine | Apr 26 02:26 |
| formic_ | fun, another 5 years to catch up | Apr 26 02:26 |
| XFaCE | formic_: lol | Apr 26 02:26 |
| XFaCE | I said that more or less | Apr 26 02:26 |
| formic_ | lol | Apr 26 02:27 |
| formic_ | qupzilla +1 | Apr 26 02:27 |
| XFaCE | hmm | Apr 26 02:30 |
| XFaCE | interesting | Apr 26 02:30 |
| XFaCE | formic_: Is it a better webkit browser than Midori? | Apr 26 02:31 |
| formic_ | Haven't really used Midori | Apr 26 02:31 |
| formic_ | qupzilla is qt based though | Apr 26 02:31 |
| formic_ | FAR better than rekonq or arora | Apr 26 02:32 |
| DaemonFC | actually, Netsurf has been around for quite some time | Apr 26 02:35 |
| formic_ | if its not webkit or gecko, its not worth using | Apr 26 02:35 |
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| DaemonFC | there's Presto | Apr 26 02:48 |
| formic_ | its proprietary | Apr 26 02:49 |
| formic_ | not usable | Apr 26 02:49 |
| DaemonFC | https://launchpad.net/bugs/770283 | Apr 26 02:54 |
| DaemonFC | yet another fglrx workaround | Apr 26 02:54 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @FredoFredonis ik heb #aneverendingstory in pdf. | Apr 26 03:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @jenssegers @tmdpw But then again, this is #Hogent ;) | Apr 26 03:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: He #DeLijn, ik zit op een nachtbus. Veel volk! Ik doe dat wel vaker en vind het heel jammer dat die bin http://ur1. ... | Apr 26 03:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @jenssegers @tmdpw De uitbreidingsmogelijkheden met zijn enorm. Niet makkelijk om er direct een moeilij http://ur1. ... | Apr 26 03:18 | |
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| scientes | DaemonFC, why are you still using (and complaining about) fglrx? | Apr 26 03:31 |
| formic_ | cause he doesnt learn | Apr 26 03:31 |
| scientes | qutzilla uses webkit | Apr 26 03:31 |
| scientes | eek | Apr 26 03:31 |
| formic_ | eek? | Apr 26 03:31 |
| scientes | zilla != webkit, zilla == gecko | Apr 26 03:31 |
| DaemonFC | the sheer number of workarounds that Compiz is carrying for it is staggering | Apr 26 03:31 |
| formic_ | it looks like firefox 3.x | Apr 26 03:32 |
| formic_ | uses webkit which owns gecko | Apr 26 03:32 |
| scientes | woah, alot like ff 3 | Apr 26 03:32 |
| scientes | im sticking to my trusty firefox | Apr 26 03:33 |
| scientes | i havn't seen something that can give me privacy like ff's permission model | Apr 26 03:33 |
| formic_ | at least its not presto | Apr 26 03:33 |
| formic_ | permission model? | Apr 26 03:33 |
| formic_ | pfft | Apr 26 03:33 |
| *scientes has never used presto | Apr 26 03:33 | |
| scientes | per-site permission model | Apr 26 03:33 |
| scientes | and addons like refcontrol | Apr 26 03:34 |
| scientes | so i can forge referrer headers | Apr 26 03:34 |
| DaemonFC | scientes, Presto is Opera's rendering engine | Apr 26 03:34 |
| DaemonFC | but it has been used separately from Opera | Apr 26 03:34 |
| scientes | DaemonFC, I know, I have not beenliving behind a rock | Apr 26 03:34 |
| DaemonFC | Adobe was using it for a long time | Apr 26 03:34 |
| scientes | it is also closed source | Apr 26 03:34 |
| scientes | which makes me uninterested | Apr 26 03:35 |
| formic_ | who knows what spying there is | Apr 26 03:35 |
| DaemonFC | objection! | Apr 26 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | assumes facts not in evidence | Apr 26 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 26 03:36 |
| formic_ | show me the source and prove it doesn't | Apr 26 03:38 |
| DaemonFC | in the case of things like Windows and other Microsoft software, it's easy to tell if it's spying on you because their 20,000 page EULA admits to it in multiple occasions and even mentions that they might decide to sell that information to third parties or remove software from your computer without asking you | Apr 26 03:39 |
| DaemonFC | Where is your proof that Opera is spyware? | Apr 26 03:39 |
| DaemonFC | It has several bad provisions in the EULA, but nothing that permits them to actually spy on you | Apr 26 03:39 |
| formic_ | DaemonFC - governments could require it and by law they would not be allowed to tell | Apr 26 03:40 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Yeah, I got nothin'. | Apr 26 03:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] But it's CROSSHATCHED! | Apr 26 03:40 | |
| DaemonFC | the closest you get to that is IF you decide to use Opera Link or Opera Unite or Opera Turbo, then Opera may save some non-personally identifiable information about you | Apr 26 03:40 |
| formic_ | bs | Apr 26 03:40 |
| DaemonFC | they're quite specific about how it is used | Apr 26 03:41 |
| formic_ | they have your IP | Apr 26 03:41 |
| formic_ | thats personal | Apr 26 03:41 |
| DaemonFC | and your IP address is not logged | Apr 26 03:41 |
| formic_ | prove its not logged | Apr 26 03:41 |
| formic_ | show me their logs | Apr 26 03:41 |
| DaemonFC | prove it is | Apr 26 03:41 |
| DaemonFC | they say it's not | Apr 26 03:41 |
| formic_ | you're taking the word of a schiesty proprietary company | Apr 26 03:41 |
| DaemonFC | you've got them on breach of contract if it turns out it is | Apr 26 03:41 |
| formic_ | you trust proprietary companies to tell you the truth? | Apr 26 03:41 |
| formic_ | how will you EVER find out? | Apr 26 03:41 |
| formic_ | proprietary | Apr 26 03:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] I think she probably thinks he has a giant basketball head or is made of ropes. http://identi.ca/url/69225677 | Apr 26 03:42 | |
| DaemonFC | I think people get carried away with this RMS black helicopter nonsense sometimes | Apr 26 03:42 |
| formic_ | you like opera, so you trust them | Apr 26 03:43 |
| DaemonFC | as far as I'm concerned, the most damning thing about Opera right now is that there's no HTTPS Everywhere extension for it | Apr 26 03:43 |
| formic_ | Digsby went around saying they weren't spyware, and weren't using your computer to make money | Apr 26 03:43 |
| formic_ | They were | Apr 26 03:43 |
| DaemonFC | well, it was easy to prove in that case | Apr 26 03:43 |
| DaemonFC | uhhm, all the fucking shit it did was sort of.....obvious | Apr 26 03:44 |
| formic_ | and opera is norweigan | Apr 26 03:44 |
| formic_ | do you understand norweigan laws? | Apr 26 03:44 |
| formic_ | perhaps they dont even have laws to protect you from fraud | Apr 26 03:44 |
| formic_ | even if they did, you're in the US | Apr 26 03:44 |
| DaemonFC | Digsby is just libpurple with webkit and that makes it bloatware and semi-competent, but then they add a layer of spyware on top of all of that | Apr 26 03:44 |
| DaemonFC | anyone who uses it is a fucking moron | Apr 26 03:45 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 26 03:45 |
| formic_ | same with opera | Apr 26 03:45 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Yeah, I just am not sure. | Apr 26 03:45 | |
| formic_ | anyone who uses that is a moron | Apr 26 03:45 |
| DaemonFC | I don't see why Firefox is such a pile of crap | Apr 26 03:46 |
| formic_ | at least the code could be audited | Apr 26 03:46 |
| DaemonFC | a small Norwegian proprietary software company can do proper OpenGL compositing | Apr 26 03:46 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox renders upside down and backwards | Apr 26 03:46 |
| DaemonFC | leaks memory | Apr 26 03:46 |
| DaemonFC | then crashes | Apr 26 03:46 |
| formic_ | thats probably your shit amd graphics | Apr 26 03:46 |
| DaemonFC | no | Apr 26 03:46 |
| formic_ | yeah | Apr 26 03:46 |
| DaemonFC | it does that on every card, every driver | Apr 26 03:46 |
| formic_ | firefox has no issues with my hardware | Apr 26 03:46 |
| DaemonFC | except Nvidia proprietary | Apr 26 03:47 |
| formic_ | if opera isn't going to open their code, then they need a trusted independant third party to audit the code | Apr 26 03:47 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox practically encourages using proprietary Nvidia drivers | Apr 26 03:48 |
| DaemonFC | so why don't they get called out for that? | Apr 26 03:48 |
| DaemonFC | they only seem to make Firefox work right in certain cases that some Mozilla developers care about | Apr 26 03:48 |
| formic_ | drivers are one thing, using a proprietary browser to do all your web activities is dangerous | Apr 26 03:48 |
| formic_ | another reason I boycott opera: they said they wanted a browser ballot on linux too | Apr 26 03:49 |
| formic_ | nobody is going to want a proprietary browser if they ware switching to free software | Apr 26 03:50 |
| DaemonFC | where did they say that? | Apr 26 03:50 |
| DaemonFC | and who do they plan on going after? There's about a few hundred semi-compatible Linux distributions out there | Apr 26 03:50 |
| formic_ | http://www.favbrowser.com/opera-apple-ubuntu-should-include-browser-ballot-screen-too/ | Apr 26 03:50 |
| DaemonFC | and not all of them are subject to European laws | Apr 26 03:51 |
| DaemonFC | if I had a distribution and the EU told me to do something, I'd tell them to fuck themselves | Apr 26 03:51 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 26 03:51 |
| formic_ | opera just wants a damned free ride and advertising | Apr 26 03:51 |
| DaemonFC | but a company doing business there would end up getting fucked over by their nanny state | Apr 26 03:52 |
| formic_ | yeah the EU sucks | Apr 26 03:53 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know that you could convince the European Commission that Ubuntu has a monopoly on anything other than insane software development practices | Apr 26 03:54 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu's development is starting to resemble Android or Chrome | Apr 26 03:55 |
| DaemonFC | they've even effectively forked GTK and Qt at this point | Apr 26 03:55 |
| formic_ | they do have a monopoly on shitty distros | Apr 26 03:55 |
| formic_ | ubuntu was good until Mark wanted to start making a profit from it | Apr 26 03:57 |
| formic_ | thats when all the store stuff and ubuntu one popped up | Apr 26 03:58 |
| formic_ | and ios apps | Apr 26 03:58 |
| DaemonFC | I guess the 5 GB of free storage isn't a bad deal if you're not going to use it for anything you don't want the US spooks to sneak and peek at | Apr 26 04:01 |
| DaemonFC | because Amazon has a tendency to cooperate without a warrant | Apr 26 04:01 |
| formic_ | dropbox,box.net,google drive | Apr 26 04:01 |
| DaemonFC | so do they | Apr 26 04:01 |
| formic_ | google wants warrants | Apr 26 04:01 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] You guys just had a slew of birthdays in your house (they came up on all our calendars). Hope they were all fun! | Apr 26 04:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] http://identi.ca/url/69226036 | Apr 26 04:02 | |
| DaemonFC | in fact, if you want to see what happens when you tell the government to come back with a warrant, look at what happened to MegaUpload | Apr 26 04:02 |
| formic_ | however, if the NSA is involved... | Apr 26 04:02 |
| formic_ | gag orders | Apr 26 04:02 |
| formic_ | google has friends in the obama administration | Apr 26 04:03 |
| DaemonFC | well, the FBI can still use National Security Letters in some cases | Apr 26 04:03 |
| formic_ | yup of course | Apr 26 04:03 |
| DaemonFC | although the courts have limited them a lot | Apr 26 04:03 |
| formic_ | they can do whatever they want under national security | Apr 26 04:04 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, and if you tell anyone you got served with an NSL, that's illegal and you can go to prison | Apr 26 04:04 |
| formic_ | even hold people illegally without trial | Apr 26 04:04 |
| formic_ | guantam | Apr 26 04:04 |
| DaemonFC | with a warrant, that's not the case | Apr 26 04:04 |
| DaemonFC | if the police come and make me spill my guts about you with a warrant, I can call you up and say "Hey, they were just here and they made me give them everything I have about you!" | Apr 26 04:05 |
| DaemonFC | with an NSL, I could go to prison for a few years for tipping you off that they're rifling through your data | Apr 26 04:05 |
| DaemonFC | everything about an NSL is unconstitutional | Apr 26 04:06 |
| formic_ | the constitution is just a god damned piece of paper | Apr 26 04:07 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.techweekeurope.co.uk/news/microsoft-accused-of-sneaking-ie-clones-i=nto-browser-ballot-5607 | Apr 26 04:08 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 26 04:08 |
| DaemonFC | Maxthon switched over to Webkit | Apr 26 04:09 |
| DaemonFC | it's no longer an IE shell | Apr 26 04:09 |
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| cubezzz | hey peeps, linuxdevices.com is working just fine | Apr 26 04:13 |
| formic_ | why wouldnt it | Apr 26 04:15 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.digitaltrends.com/web/man-wins-injunction-against-google-after-claiming-auto-complete-web-search-ruined-his-life/?src=Outbrain | Apr 26 04:23 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Hey, you have a job. I missed that. But I've been kind of spending all my time feeling sorry for myself lately. Don't take it personally. | Apr 26 04:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] You don't know that. | Apr 26 04:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Yeah, I dunno. I've never done it. @drpro is pretty good at it, I guess. @nate too. I did it with a tablet and it was a lot of work. | Apr 26 05:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] And when I finally got like CyBeRd00d-ROM-XtReeM-0.17-Q installed, it had all these icons of bombs and apps like "Wipe All Data" and so on. | Apr 26 05:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] I figure wait until you need to do something that really needs the phone rooted, and do it then. | Apr 26 05:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Adele is like The Knack of 2011. Everybody loves Adele! | Apr 26 05:03 | |
| *ChanServ gives channel operator status to schestowitz | Apr 26 05:04 | |
| schestowitz | I'm away till Friday night (down south), so need ops to repel potential vandals | Apr 26 05:05 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] I think it was version 2.1 or 2.2 that let you do that from the "Applications" settings page. | Apr 26 05:05 | |
| *schestowitz gives channel operator status to abeNd-org amarsh04 cubezzz | Apr 26 05:05 | |
| *schestowitz gives channel operator status to dpic msb__ sebsebseb | Apr 26 05:05 | |
| *schestowitz gives channel operator status to squarepeg tessier_ XFaCE | Apr 26 05:05 | |
| *schestowitz gives channel operator status to zoobab___ | Apr 26 05:05 | |
| *schestowitz removes channel operator status from schestowitz | Apr 26 05:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Yeah, pretty much. The custom ROMs are kind of made by and for people who think "bootloader utility" is pretty vital for your main screen. | Apr 26 05:08 | |
| *formic_ sprays Vandal repellant into the channel | Apr 26 05:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] That all said, I think I'm the only Android user in the universe who's still running the ROM that came with his phone. Everyone roots it. | Apr 26 05:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] my brother is still on a super hero kick, with a bad day for scientists http://ur1.ca/93kca #humour from @larryrusswurm | Apr 26 05:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] I checked and my #1 album is "Tea for the Tillerman." I put it on repeat to put the kids to sleep. Apparently I've played it like 300 times. | Apr 26 05:12 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Right now a straight-up bowl cut would be a big improvement. He looks like a Sasquatch who walked into a ceiling fan. Best I could do. | Apr 26 05:17 | |
| scientes | schestowitz, :( | Apr 26 05:23 |
| scientes | https://plus.google.com/115547683951727699051/posts/X3fUhyJREKq | Apr 26 05:25 |
| scientes | http://wiki.debian.org/SummerOfCode2012/StudentApplications#SysV-init_file_creator_from_systemd_service_files | Apr 26 05:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] Good morning Identiverse and Twitterverse Tzag ;-). Today is #Ubuntu 12.04 release day \o/ | Apr 26 05:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] I'll continue working on my #Anonymous (We Are Legion) video with #LibreOffice Impress and #OpenShot #FreeSoftware | Apr 26 05:33 | |
| formic_ | hes cool | Apr 26 05:34 |
| formic_ | seems daemonfc is a little obsolete by supporting upstart | Apr 26 05:34 |
| scientes | that systemd to sysvinit stuff is a great idea | Apr 26 05:34 |
| scientes | ^^yep | Apr 26 05:34 |
| scientes | systemd is clearly superior | Apr 26 05:34 |
| scientes | canonical is sticking to upstart because of NIH | Apr 26 05:35 |
| scientes | and there was a post in that thread about it | Apr 26 05:35 |
| formic_ | canonical shouldnt call ubuntu linux anymore | Apr 26 05:35 |
| scientes | also that original writer of upstart who has two posted in that thread, seems to be spreading FUD | Apr 26 05:35 |
| scientes | formic_, if it runs the linux kernel, it is Linux | Apr 26 05:36 |
| scientes | and they arn't even calling it linux | Apr 26 05:36 |
| scientes | thats their model | Apr 26 05:36 |
| formic_ | Ubuntu - Linux for human beings | Apr 26 05:36 |
| scientes | oh | Apr 26 05:36 |
| formic_ | doesnt matter | Apr 26 05:36 |
| formic_ | you dont call android linux | Apr 26 05:36 |
| formic_ | you call it android | Apr 26 05:36 |
| scientes | i guess | Apr 26 05:36 |
| scientes | systemd is definitely the way forward | Apr 26 05:36 |
| scientes | lets just call it "old linux" | Apr 26 05:37 |
| formic_ | yeah | Apr 26 05:37 |
| formic_ | Ubuntu is going to be so different from everyone else | Apr 26 05:37 |
| formic_ | it'll be just as different as android | Apr 26 05:37 |
| scientes | lets not forget that fedora adopted upstart before they switched to systemd | Apr 26 05:37 |
| formic_ | true | Apr 26 05:37 |
| scientes | because at fedora they believe in adopting the best software | Apr 26 05:37 |
| formic_ | thats why systemd is there now | Apr 26 05:37 |
| scientes | now, they never wrote native upstart services, because that is insane | Apr 26 05:37 |
| *scientes tried and failed to grok what the hell upstart does | Apr 26 05:38 | |
| scientes | ...that might be sane | Apr 26 05:38 |
| scientes | but i got systemd immediately | Apr 26 05:38 |
| scientes | and love it | Apr 26 05:38 |
| scientes | and with the GSOC project, debian can switch to it totally, and have compatible sysvinit scripts | Apr 26 05:38 |
| formic_ | me too | Apr 26 05:38 |
| formic_ | nothing easier than "service name start" | Apr 26 05:38 |
| scientes | for all the advanced linux features that few are currently using, like per-process namespaces | Apr 26 05:38 |
| scientes | but that systemd makes much more accessable | Apr 26 05:39 |
| scientes | haha, i still often use /etc/init.d/ with systemd | Apr 26 05:39 |
| formic_ | not to mention some distros have their init scripts in different places | Apr 26 05:39 |
| scientes | but also use systemdctl start | Apr 26 05:39 |
| scientes | *systemctl | Apr 26 05:39 |
| formic_ | yeah systemctl to enable/disable the startup of services | Apr 26 05:40 |
| scientes | ahh "service" is portable too | Apr 26 05:40 |
| scientes | yeah thats what ill start using, cause it works with upstart too | Apr 26 05:41 |
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| formic_ | its a shame canonical will be wasting money working on upstart, and consolekit | Apr 26 05:46 |
| formic_ | while everyone has abandoned it | Apr 26 05:46 |
| scientes | formic_, you are assuming they will develop them | Apr 26 05:47 |
| formic_ | which means they will try even harder to upsell stuff | Apr 26 05:47 |
| scientes | they might just go into mainnance mode | Apr 26 05:47 |
| formic_ | you boot up ubuntu, a notification pops up "Buy Jono's new CD" | Apr 26 05:47 |
| jono | formic_, lol | Apr 26 05:47 |
| scientes | buy bono;s new cd :P | Apr 26 05:48 |
| formic_ | fuck bono | Apr 26 05:48 |
| formic_ | Jono is way better | Apr 26 05:48 |
| formic_ | Bono is a world bank shill | Apr 26 05:48 |
| formic_ | http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=11worst | Apr 26 05:49 |
| formic_ | 11 worst songs of 2004 | Apr 26 05:49 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] começando o IRPF-Livre 2012. pelo que estou vendo no mapeamentoTxt.xml do IRPF2012, vai dar bem pouco trabalho este ano! | Apr 26 06:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] :( my favorite f-Droid eBookReader was Pageturner, but now that I am finally in #CyanogenMod it isn't on the list! Ideas anyone? | Apr 26 06:18 | |
| scientes | UR STRENGTH IS LIKE THE SQUARE ROOT OF -1, PUSSY | Apr 26 06:24 |
| formic_ | oh yeah scientes | Apr 26 06:30 |
| formic_ | I'm Canadian | Apr 26 06:30 |
| formic_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_sharing_in_Canada | Apr 26 06:30 |
| formic_ | In general, the unauthorized copying or distribution of copyrighted material for profit is illegal under Canada's Copyright Act., however the act also states under the section "Copying for Private Use ... onto an audio recording medium for the private use of the person who makes the copy does not constitute an infringement of the copyright in the musical work, the performer’s performance or the sound recording." | Apr 26 06:31 |
| formic_ | For a brief period in 2004/2005, the sharing of copyrighted music files via peer-to-peer online systems was explicitly legal, due to a decision by the Federal Court, in BMG Canada Inc. v. John Doe.[9] Under certain conditions both downloading and uploading were held to be legal. | Apr 26 06:33 |
| formic_ | Around the same time that the CRIA successfully took Demonoid offline, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) made it clear that pursuing Demonoid’s users is not a priority for them. Demonoid came back online in April 2008, but is now hosted in Ukraine. | Apr 26 06:35 |
| formic_ | Gotta love that one | Apr 26 06:35 |
| formic_ | According to the RCMP it is impossible to track down who uploads music or movies to the Internet. The police simply do not have the time nor the resources to go after file sharers. "Piracy for personal use is no longer targeted", said Noël St-Hilaire, head of copyright theft investigations of the RCMP in an interview with Le Devoir. St-Hilaire explained that they would rather focus on crimes that actually hurt consumers such | Apr 26 06:36 |
| formic_ | as copyright violations related to medicine and electrical appliances, as well as ones that affect organized crime. | Apr 26 06:36 |
| formic_ | Canada makes sense sometimes | Apr 26 06:36 |
| cubezzz | yeah RCMP don't go after the small fry | Apr 26 06:40 |
| formic_ | personal use doesn't hurt anyone | Apr 26 06:41 |
| cubezzz | scans are probably killing the used book stores though | Apr 26 06:41 |
| formic_ | its people who run gangs and sell the stuff | Apr 26 06:41 |
| cubezzz | they are dropping like flies | Apr 26 06:41 |
| formic_ | actually | Apr 26 06:42 |
| formic_ | go to ebay.ca | Apr 26 06:42 |
| formic_ | these people are selling them at way higher prices | Apr 26 06:42 |
| formic_ | 10cents ? no way lets put it in "Antique Books" for $500 | Apr 26 06:42 |
| cubezzz | well there's always collectors looking for stuff | Apr 26 06:43 |
| cubezzz | most people aren't going to pay $500 for a book | Apr 26 06:43 |
| formic_ | yeah but some one will | Apr 26 06:43 |
| formic_ | everyone has a different book they are looking for, if you have a store full of them chances are you'll probably make more money | Apr 26 06:44 |
| cubezzz | I do buy some used computer books | Apr 26 06:44 |
| formic_ | even if the books only get like $50-100 | Apr 26 06:44 |
| cubezzz | but they are usually less than $20 | Apr 26 06:44 |
| formic_ | http://www.ebay.ca/itm/1837-MICHEL-BIBAUD-HISTOIRE-DU-CANADA-3-VOLUMES-/160549109289?pt=FR_CA_Antiquit%C3%A9s_et_livres_de_collection&hash=item256178fe29#ht_1679wt_905 | Apr 26 06:45 |
| scientes | formic_, what type of herb are you smoking? | Apr 26 06:45 |
| formic_ | I bet you value village would probably sell that for $15 | Apr 26 06:45 |
| cubezzz | haha | Apr 26 06:45 |
| cubezzz | I've bought some books from Value Village :) | Apr 26 06:46 |
| scientes | all computer books do is go out of datw | Apr 26 06:46 |
| formic_ | I have this ginormous webster dictionary that was about $5 | Apr 26 06:46 |
| scientes | if someone is interested in history, then they already have enough reading materials, and will use just the online versions of things | Apr 26 06:46 |
| cubezzz | scientes, there is also the historical interest for computers and computer books | Apr 26 06:47 |
| cubezzz | CDC, IBM, etc | Apr 26 06:47 |
| cubezzz | DEC | Apr 26 06:47 |
| scientes | and the few ancient things that are still relevent (K&R, FORTRAN, and similar) have new editions which conform to new standards | Apr 26 06:47 |
| scientes | oh, yeah EBCDIC, sure | Apr 26 06:48 |
| scientes | lets all go back to EBCDIC | Apr 26 06:48 |
| cubezzz | I still run CP/M and VM/SP | Apr 26 06:48 |
| scientes | "expanding to include 16-bit CPUs" | Apr 26 06:49 |
| scientes | LOLOLOLOL | Apr 26 06:49 |
| cubezzz | Unix was originally a 16-bit OS | Apr 26 06:50 |
| cubezzz | PDP-11 | Apr 26 06:50 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] My #Anonymous (We Are Legion) Video (ehrm... slide show) has gone Gold on Youtube http://is.gd/Iy2Vyz | Apr 26 06:50 | |
| scientes | yes, far more modern than the 8-bit CP/M | Apr 26 06:50 |
| formic_ | hmm | Apr 26 06:51 |
| formic_ | somewhere I have MS-DOS 6.22 and Windows for Workgrounps 3.11 | Apr 26 06:51 |
| scientes | also: linux was 32-bit from the start | Apr 26 06:52 |
| scientes | it was even MMU from the start | Apr 26 06:53 |
| scientes | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Zilog_Z-80_Microprocessor_ad_May_1976.jpg | Apr 26 06:54 |
| scientes | "almost twice the number of instructions as the competitor!" | Apr 26 06:54 |
| scientes | those pesky intel 8080! | Apr 26 06:55 |
| cubezzz | a lot of the early ads were silly | Apr 26 06:55 |
| scientes | "gentlemen, the choice of weapons is yours" | Apr 26 06:55 |
| scientes | lol | Apr 26 06:55 |
| scientes | "advance in-circuit debug"! | Apr 26 06:56 |
| scientes | *real-time debug | Apr 26 06:56 |
| cubezzz | there were a ton of z80 based computers in the 70's | Apr 26 06:56 |
| formic_ | http://imgur.com/a/a2GOo | Apr 26 06:58 |
| cubezzz | mostly my interest in historical IBM mainframes are computers I actually worked on | Apr 26 06:58 |
| cubezzz | now I can run VM/SP on a desktop, which is a lot of fun | Apr 26 06:59 |
| scientes | *total* software compatibility | Apr 26 06:59 |
| scientes | 16-bit-arithmatic! | Apr 26 06:59 |
| scientes | "high level languages such as PL/Z" | Apr 26 06:59 |
| scientes | haha not i have to look that up :P | Apr 26 06:59 |
| scientes | bet it doesn't have garbage control | Apr 26 06:59 |
| scientes | i wonder what is going to happen to the gazillions of interpreted perl wannabees | Apr 26 07:00 |
| scientes | is there going to be no end to entropy? | Apr 26 07:00 |
| scientes | indeed only really C, and to a lesser extent FORTRAN really survive that era | Apr 26 07:00 |
| scientes | COBOL and BASIC are basically dead | Apr 26 07:00 |
| scientes | oh, and bash | Apr 26 07:00 |
| formic_ | not for long | Apr 26 07:01 |
| scientes | but systemd is kicking bashes ass | Apr 26 07:01 |
| cubezzz | uh, some people still use COBOL | Apr 26 07:01 |
| formic_ | www.golang.org | Apr 26 07:01 |
| scientes | oh, i thought you were mentioning systemd formic_ | Apr 26 07:01 |
| scientes | cause that is a threat to bash | Apr 26 07:01 |
| cubezzz | why are you comparing bash to systemd? | Apr 26 07:02 |
| scientes | not really, but in a way | Apr 26 07:02 |
| cubezzz | the two are completely different | Apr 26 07:02 |
| scientes | id just like people to use python and perl instead of bash | Apr 26 07:02 |
| formic_ | bash has nothing to do with systemd | Apr 26 07:02 |
| formic_ | what | Apr 26 07:03 |
| cubezzz | o_O | Apr 26 07:03 |
| scientes | oh, ill shut up | Apr 26 07:03 |
| formic_ | you mean bash scripting right? | Apr 26 07:03 |
| scientes | formic_, what is go great about go? | Apr 26 07:03 |
| formic_ | http://gotour.golang.org/ | Apr 26 07:03 |
| formic_ | Ken Thompson is involved | Apr 26 07:04 |
| formic_ | co creator of C | Apr 26 07:04 |
| formic_ | theres a good posibility that if your distro has gcc 4.7.x you' | Apr 26 07:04 |
| formic_ | you'll have a go compiler | Apr 26 07:04 |
| scientes | nah i have 4.6 | Apr 26 07:05 |
| cubezzz | compare bash to csh, ksh, zsh etc | Apr 26 07:05 |
| formic_ | Get the speed of C, add garbage collection and built in concurrency | Apr 26 07:06 |
| scientes | hmm the capitalization scope rule is interesting | Apr 26 07:06 |
| scientes | its kinda against the convention i am use to | Apr 26 07:07 |
| scientes | however | Apr 26 07:07 |
| cubezzz | Chicken Scheme is interesting too | Apr 26 07:07 |
| scientes | also i kinda like the syntactic sugar of no required parantheese in ruby | Apr 26 07:07 |
| cubezzz | some people recommend it | Apr 26 07:07 |
| scientes | which coffeescript brings to javascript | Apr 26 07:07 |
| cubezzz | hmm, I guess it's just called Chicken actually | Apr 26 07:08 |
| formic_ | oh wow | Apr 26 07:08 |
| formic_ | http://gotour.golang.org/pkg/ | Apr 26 07:08 |
| formic_ | check that out | Apr 26 07:09 |
| formic_ | go rewrites I think | Apr 26 07:09 |
| scientes | just rewritten c libs? | Apr 26 07:09 |
| formic_ | perhaps | Apr 26 07:09 |
| formic_ | thats stuff you can import | Apr 26 07:09 |
| scientes | how about importing C and C++? | Apr 26 07:10 |
| formic_ | like import "fmt" | Apr 26 07:10 |
| cubezzz | also FreeBASIC isn't too bad | Apr 26 07:10 |
| formic_ | why would you? | Apr 26 07:10 |
| scientes | cause there is alot more software then | Apr 26 07:10 |
| scientes | like lets say you want to use qt | Apr 26 07:10 |
| scientes | or gtk+ | Apr 26 07:10 |
| formic_ | you can use qt or gtk+ with many languages | Apr 26 07:10 |
| formic_ | you can use gtk+ with bash script | Apr 26 07:10 |
| scientes | thats why vala is so big in the gnome community | Apr 26 07:10 |
| scientes | cause its just C | Apr 26 07:11 |
| formic_ | well you can import stuff from C | Apr 26 07:11 |
| formic_ | just that they don't gain any advantages, its C | Apr 26 07:11 |
| scientes | cause go has modern garbasge colection? | Apr 26 07:11 |
| formic_ | yes | Apr 26 07:12 |
| formic_ | lol, in #go-nuts - its apparently trolling if you ask for gtk+ bindings | Apr 26 07:12 |
| scientes | formic_, see | Apr 26 07:12 |
| scientes | you just use the C | Apr 26 07:13 |
| cubezzz | so what is the package name for installing go? | Apr 26 07:13 |
| formic_ | they're like "It's a SYSTEMS LANGUAGE" | Apr 26 07:13 |
| cubezzz | or is there one? | Apr 26 07:13 |
| formic_ | cubezzz - what distro | Apr 26 07:13 |
| formic_ | gcc-go | Apr 26 07:13 |
| formic_ | or you can grab the one on the golang site | Apr 26 07:13 |
| cubezzz | I run Fedora, OpenBSD, and VectorLinux | Apr 26 07:14 |
| formic_ | gcc isn't at go 1 yet | Apr 26 07:14 |
| formic_ | Fedora 17 has it as far as I know | Apr 26 07:14 |
| cubezzz | oh ok | Apr 26 07:14 |
| cubezzz | pretty new then | Apr 26 07:14 |
| formic_ | yeah | Apr 26 07:14 |
| formic_ | http://code.google.com/p/go-tour/ | Apr 26 07:15 |
| formic_ | http://golang.org/doc/install | Apr 26 07:15 |
| scientes | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=574371 | Apr 26 07:15 |
| scientes | formic_, so what have you programmed with it? | Apr 26 07:15 |
| cubezzz | I use motif/xlib still :) | Apr 26 07:15 |
| formic_ | nothing | Apr 26 07:15 |
| scientes | how do they recommend validating your input? | Apr 26 07:15 |
| formic_ | I just found out about it recently | Apr 26 07:15 |
| scientes | http://packages.debian.org/sid/golang | Apr 26 07:16 |
| cubezzz | well I still use C mostly | Apr 26 07:16 |
| scientes | cubezzz, do you use a garbage collector? | Apr 26 07:16 |
| cubezzz | scientes, nope | Apr 26 07:16 |
| formic_ | the official binary is actually "go" | Apr 26 07:16 |
| formic_ | go run hello.go | Apr 26 07:16 |
| scientes | cubezzz, seems like slow going then | Apr 26 07:17 |
| cubezzz | slow? | Apr 26 07:17 |
| scientes | in terms of developmen | Apr 26 07:17 |
| formic_ | go get http://a.mercurial.repo/ | Apr 26 07:17 |
| formic_ | oh sick | Apr 26 07:18 |
| formic_ | http://golang.org/doc/articles/wiki/ | Apr 26 07:18 |
| formic_ | Writing Web Applications | Apr 26 07:18 |
| cubezzz | garbage collection can make your program stall | Apr 26 07:18 |
| scientes | seems to me you can have lots of programming features without sacrificing speed | Apr 26 07:18 |
| formic_ | I've read stuff about people turning it off | Apr 26 07:18 |
| cubezzz | depends on what you're working on | Apr 26 07:19 |
| formic_ | though they say this garbage collection has no impact on speed | Apr 26 07:19 |
| scientes | as long as you carefully define your interfaces | Apr 26 07:19 |
| scientes | and have them guaranteed | Apr 26 07:19 |
| scientes | and then compile the language for those constraints | Apr 26 07:19 |
| scientes | *compile the program | Apr 26 07:19 |
| scientes | but i guess compilers arn't that good | Apr 26 07:19 |
| cubezzz | I want my programs to run as fast as possible | Apr 26 07:20 |
| scientes | hell i've seen assembly that was in the linux kernel simply to support old compilers | Apr 26 07:20 |
| scientes | so they pre-compiled it | Apr 26 07:20 |
| formic_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgVhBThJdXc | Apr 26 07:20 |
| scientes | formic_, why do you think this language is better than sliced bread? | Apr 26 07:20 |
| formic_ | it's object oriented, but no classes or sub classes though. inheritance is not primary | Apr 26 07:21 |
| formic_ | concurrent | Apr 26 07:21 |
| cubezzz | Fortran 2008 can do that | Apr 26 07:22 |
| cubezzz | not that I've used it mind you | Apr 26 07:22 |
| cubezzz | I know the weather prediction folks use it | Apr 26 07:22 |
| scientes | <formic_> it's object oriented, but no classes or sub classes though. inheritance is not primary | Apr 26 07:22 |
| scientes | so you mean its purely function, and secondarily object oriented? | Apr 26 07:22 |
| formic_ | it uses something called interfaces | Apr 26 07:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] !tzaf & g'nite !identiverse | Apr 26 07:23 | |
| cubezzz | honestly I don't think Go is used for anything serious | Apr 26 07:24 |
| formic_ | its new | Apr 26 07:25 |
| formic_ | "There are two Go compiler implementations, gc (the 6g program and friends) and gccgo. Gc uses a different calling convention and linker and can therefore only be linked with C programs using the same convention. There is such a C compiler but no C++ compiler. Gccgo is a GCC front-end that can, with care, be linked with GCC-compiled C or C++ programs." | Apr 26 07:26 |
| scientes | cubezzz, probably true even inside google | Apr 26 07:27 |
| formic_ | http://go-lang.cat-v.org/ | Apr 26 07:28 |
| formic_ | golang.org actually runs Go | Apr 26 07:28 |
| formic_ | the webserver | Apr 26 07:28 |
| cubezzz | Digital Effects used APL to write some programs for Tron | Apr 26 07:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] Al bijna 3 uur wakker en nog geen #koffie gedronken, schande! | Apr 26 07:28 | |
| cubezzz | you know, if you want to try something different :) | Apr 26 07:29 |
| formic_ | ROFL | Apr 26 07:30 |
| formic_ | https://github.com/nf/goplayer/ | Apr 26 07:30 |
| formic_ | https://github.com/nf/goplayer/blob/master/player.go | Apr 26 07:30 |
| formic_ | damn that looks easy | Apr 26 07:30 |
| scientes | > /iTunes | Apr 26 07:31 |
| scientes | nuf said | Apr 26 07:31 |
| cubezzz | C really caught on fairly fast | Apr 26 07:31 |
| scientes | if err != nil { | Apr 26 07:31 |
| scientes | panic(err) | Apr 26 07:31 |
| scientes | } | Apr 26 07:31 |
| formic_ | scientes - don't be a nazi | Apr 26 07:31 |
| scientes | that is really verbose | Apr 26 07:31 |
| scientes | in ruby you would just do: raise if err.nil? | Apr 26 07:32 |
| scientes | wait, raise unless err.nil? | Apr 26 07:32 |
| scientes | or actually raise err unless err.nil? | Apr 26 07:33 |
| cubezzz | do you guys write gui programs? | Apr 26 07:33 |
| formic_ | no | Apr 26 07:33 |
| cubezzz | back when I did Xenix work, there was only curses | Apr 26 07:34 |
| cubezzz | pretty dull | Apr 26 07:34 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Which Linux Distro Is Fairest of Them All? Ubuntu, Survey Says http://ur1.ca/93r8c #gnu #linux #ubuntu #foss | Apr 26 07:35 | |
| cubezzz | motif/xlib is nice and compact | Apr 26 07:38 |
| cubezzz | way more compact than those KDE monster-sized programs | Apr 26 07:39 |
| cubezzz | programmers don't put enough effort into making things small and compact these days | Apr 26 07:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Valve is working on Steam and "Left 4 Dead 2" for Linux http://ur1.ca/93rah #gnu #linux #software #game #graphics | Apr 26 07:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Phew! I did a "yum update -y" on my F16 x86_64 laptop, then did a preupgrade and now am fully running on a Fedora 17 system. Yay! #fb #in | Apr 26 07:48 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] now it is back to a daily "yum update -y" :-) | Apr 26 07:57 | |
| scientes | <cubezzz> back when I did Xenix work, there was only curses | Apr 26 07:59 |
| scientes | hey, ncurses apps can be pretty slick | Apr 26 07:59 |
| cubezzz | scientes, agreed | Apr 26 07:59 |
| scientes | aptitude is a good example | Apr 26 08:00 |
| scientes | so is htop | Apr 26 08:00 |
| cubezzz | but it's nice to be able to hack up a motif/xlib program | Apr 26 08:00 |
| scientes | yeah but ncurses is great for apps that also belong on a server | Apr 26 08:00 |
| cubezzz | or I should say lesstif/xlib | Apr 26 08:00 |
| cubezzz | scientes, yeah it would be faster certainly | Apr 26 08:01 |
| scientes | now....it would be awesome if gtk and qt and enlightenment were network transparent | Apr 26 08:01 |
| cubezzz | they are :) | Apr 26 08:01 |
| scientes | cause x11 network transparency is totally broken, ppl know that | Apr 26 08:01 |
| scientes | cause you just send pictures | Apr 26 08:02 |
| scientes | so why not just use bitscraping and call it done | Apr 26 08:02 |
| cubezzz | I run the whole KDE gui via vnc | Apr 26 08:02 |
| scientes | instead of all this horribleness | Apr 26 08:02 |
| cubezzz | I have no problems with it | Apr 26 08:02 |
| scientes | but gtk and qt , making those themselves transparent would make it really efficient | Apr 26 08:02 |
| scientes | and native | Apr 26 08:02 |
| cubezzz | saves me from using kvm switches | Apr 26 08:02 |
| scientes | and you could even do 3D | Apr 26 08:02 |
| scientes | you would just have to build a seccomp client as an add-on to wayland | Apr 26 08:03 |
| scientes | (and the app would have to work on wayland, xlib stuff is broken with this model) | Apr 26 08:03 |
| scientes | that would run the gtk and qt binaries, and accept pushed fonts | Apr 26 08:03 |
| cubezzz | I can control the desktop GUI of any computer on my LAN without getting off my butt :) | Apr 26 08:03 |
| scientes | well the problem with VNC and similar (SPICE et al) | Apr 26 08:04 |
| scientes | is that they are slower than native | Apr 26 08:04 |
| scientes | they certainly work, and are decent | Apr 26 08:04 |
| cubezzz | scientes, it's fast enough to get work done | Apr 26 08:04 |
| cubezzz | good enough is good enough | Apr 26 08:04 |
| scientes | but getting true networking in gtk and qt would enable what x11 meant to do with its network transparency (but which doesn't work today) | Apr 26 08:04 |
| scientes | and is actually to the siprit of the design of x11 | Apr 26 08:05 |
| scientes | cubezzz, i find your solution ugly | Apr 26 08:05 |
| scientes | cause of duplicate window management | Apr 26 08:05 |
| scientes | for that reason i use ssh -X | Apr 26 08:05 |
| scientes | buy wayland will provide individual app forwarding | Apr 26 08:05 |
| scientes | with bit scraping | Apr 26 08:05 |
| scientes | but i still think building it into qt and gtk and enlightenment would be pretty kick-ass | Apr 26 08:05 |
| cubezzz | yeah but I can use klipper and all the other elements of KDE as well | Apr 26 08:06 |
| scientes | klipper works with forw3arded x11 windows | Apr 26 08:07 |
| cubezzz | I'm not using just one app either | Apr 26 08:07 |
| scientes | cubezzz, also, check out x2x | Apr 26 08:07 |
| scientes | it blow non-GNU/Linux people away | Apr 26 08:07 |
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| cubezzz | scientes, is there a package for that? | Apr 26 08:11 |
| cubezzz | hmm, looks like Fedora dropped it a while ago | Apr 26 08:13 |
| scientes | its still in debian | Apr 26 08:13 |
| scientes | and ubuntu | Apr 26 08:13 |
| scientes | wonder why fedora dropped it, maybe they dropped the XTEST extention from their builds of x11..... | Apr 26 08:14 |
| cubezzz | doesn't seem to be in slack either :-/ | Apr 26 08:14 |
| cubezzz | maybe OpenBSD... | Apr 26 08:14 |
| scientes | anyways, you only need xtest on the computer that DOESN"T have x2x | Apr 26 08:15 |
| cubezzz | yup, it's in there | Apr 26 08:15 |
| scientes | wait the other way around | Apr 26 08:15 |
| scientes | you only need XTEST on the computer running x2x | Apr 26 08:15 |
| scientes | its confusing cause you use it like thus: ssh -X user@host.local x2x -east -to :0 | Apr 26 08:16 |
| cubezzz | I could try running just kooka via ssh -X | Apr 26 08:16 |
| cubezzz | yeah ok, now I remember why I don't do that :) | Apr 26 08:18 |
| cubezzz | it doesn't work | Apr 26 08:18 |
| cubezzz | my xlib programs work, but not kooka, hmmm | Apr 26 08:21 |
| cubezzz | stupid kooka :-/ | Apr 26 08:21 |
| cubezzz | one day I'll write a gui scanner frondend that's compact | Apr 26 08:22 |
| cubezzz | I could just scan the whole area and post-process it | Apr 26 08:23 |
| cubezzz | xsane works though | Apr 26 08:25 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] Very cool project: OpenRelief http://is.gd/T4pqed | Apr 26 08:27 | |
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| cubezzz | actually forget about using ssh -X for scanning programs :-/ | Apr 26 08:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Firefox 12 released - can now update itself http://ur1.ca/93rn2 #mozilla #firefox #browser #web #microsoft #windows #gnu #linux | Apr 26 08:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] OpenRelief: Clearing the Fog of Disaster http://ur1.ca/93rp9 #gnu #linux #hardware #software #avionics | Apr 26 08:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] Aha! *Now* the Nokia Lumia series makes a lot more sense all of a sudden. http://is.gd/KkXXwP | Apr 26 08:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] DEZVĂLUIRI Omoruri şi jafuri la „eliberarea“ Basarabiei http://ur1.ca/93rsk #romania #moldova #basarabia #history #photo | Apr 26 08:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Parlament schwächt Schutz des Regenwalds - http://bit.ly/IxXclO when you think it can't get any worse, it does... #brazil #environment | Apr 26 09:05 | |
| scientes | <cubezzz> actually forget about using ssh -X for scanning programs :-/ | Apr 26 09:11 |
| scientes | scanning? | Apr 26 09:11 |
| cubezzz | flatbed scanner | Apr 26 09:12 |
| cubezzz | maybe it has trouble with programs that open multiple windows | Apr 26 09:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Opening Government: On the Limits of FOIA & the Metaphor of Transparency - http://bit.ly/JWmpYF "#transparency a precondition for #openness" | Apr 26 09:15 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Mesmerizing Visualization Maps Every Transportation Route on Earth - http://on.mash.to/IdolMU watch the anthropocene unfold | Apr 26 09:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Spain: Draft law criminalising online organisation of public protests - http://bit.ly/Ibo3mk insane; Franco would be proud (v @_NetFreedom_) | Apr 26 09:30 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Canadian University Association Surrenders Completely By Withdrawing From #Copyright Hearings - http://bit.ly/IphB9q 1st #tarsands, now this | Apr 26 09:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #TSA agents harass 7-year-old girl with cerebral palsy and developmental disability - http://bit.ly/JE4y9X utter scum #bullies | Apr 26 09:37 | |
| iophk | It looks like Opera's speed dial is pushing Bing. | Apr 26 09:44 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Bugs pick up pesticide resistance from pesticide-eating bacteria - http://bit.ly/IOnZsh #evolution in action | Apr 26 09:48 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] US Department of Defense and !freesoftware: http://ur1.ca/93sep | Apr 26 09:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] Broschüre: "Arbeitsalltag Digital" von irights.info verfügbar http://ur1.ca/93sh7 | Apr 26 10:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Gratulujemy - @IgorOstrowski, jako pierwszy Polak, został członkiem Multistakeholder Advisory Group: bit.ly/IOsDqi /cc @maic | Apr 26 10:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] Tor/Forge to drop #DRM from #ebooks; cite pressure from readers http://ur1.ca/93skc | Apr 26 10:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] RT @grote RT @eco_de Einführung der Vorratsdatenspeicherung verursacht mehr wirtschaftlichen Schaden als Brüsseler Strafzahlungen: http: ... | Apr 26 10:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻@teirdes: #EIPR12 Professor from Univ of London "patents, trademarks & copyright are different worlds and should be dealt with differently" | Apr 26 10:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] that is *so awesome*! ♻ @haiko: stroll.js http://ur1.ca/91fty #css3 #scroll #effects #webdev bye bye flash... | Apr 26 10:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] Looking forward to meet !freesoftware supporters at !fsfe event in #Lisboa http://ur1.ca/93dqx | Apr 26 10:17 | |
| iophk | http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/Microsoft-Conficker-Worm-Continues-to-Plague-Enterprises-258258/ | Apr 26 10:47 |
| iophk | contrast with /. spin for M$: | Apr 26 10:49 |
| iophk | tech.slashdot.org/story/12/04/25/1825252/microsoft-says-two-basic-security-steps-might-have-stopped-conficker | Apr 26 10:49 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] ROTFL - "Do you believe in The Cloud?" "Hm. Well. I do believer there is something out there ..." - via +Kees de Heer ... http://b1t.it/bm82 | Apr 26 10:52 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] #what? #CISPA gives total immunity for privacy all fails to participating companies: bit.ly/JB3TFp bit.ly/JB3TVL | Apr 26 11:42 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | wait hold up | Apr 26 12:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | since when did glynmoody write for techdirt | Apr 26 12:15 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] do #Levenson witnesses risk perjury if found to be lying in their evidence? | Apr 26 12:43 | |
| kari_ | that is correct | Apr 26 13:25 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] “Together we know everything….And together we have everything” - http://bit.ly/JXfBKe wow, brilliant formulation (v @eurovilles @mbauwens) | Apr 26 13:25 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Google Docs - Y U no offer ODF? #fail [EDIT] To be more precise: Y no ODP in presentations? ODF support IMHO means a... http://b1t.it/bm9v | Apr 26 13:50 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] “Together we know everything….And together we have everything” - http://bit.ly/JXfBKe wow, brilliant formulation (v @eurovilles @mbauwens) | Apr 26 14:25 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Peak plastic http://identi.ca/url/69236132 | Apr 26 14:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Peak plastic http://identi.ca/url/69236132 | Apr 26 14:38 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Norwegian Security Service Wants Details Of Citizens' Web Comments Retained For Six Months http://identi.ca/url/69236233 | Apr 26 14:58 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jrepin/@jrepin] RT @fsfe #Ansol and !fsfe invite all !freesoftware supporters to their party in #Lisboa http://ur1.ca/93dqx | Apr 26 15:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jrepin/@jrepin] RT @fsfe #Ansol and !fsfe invite all !freesoftware supporters to their party in #Lisboa http://ur1.ca/93dqx | Apr 26 15:25 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] And while it is wrong (and even illegal) to do this, copying is NOT stealing. Let's avoid that fallacy, shall we? It i... http://b1t.it/bnb0 | Apr 26 15:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] The Sorry State of ODF support at Google:- No ODP support in Google Presentations. Neither import nor export.- GMail c... http://b1t.it/bnb7 | Apr 26 15:50 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Donos de Portugal on Vimeo http://goo.gl/Gta98 #pt agora só falta mesmo é fazer um #docs sobre os fantoches que colocam no poder | Apr 26 16:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] New Blog Post | Open Respect http://goo.gl/NHRau #FOSS #fb | Apr 26 16:33 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] 'How I hacked Hollywood,' a cautionary tale http://goo.gl/Zdr82 | Apr 26 16:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #TSA Defends Pat Down of 4-Year-Old Girl http://goo.gl/IDiBk | Apr 26 16:47 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] why don't app makers release their own apps inside their own marketplaces to get round the restrictions placed on them by #Google & #Apple? | Apr 26 16:53 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] Well for !freesoftware supporters it is "#freedom protecting" not #contamination http://ur1.ca/93twd | Apr 26 17:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] Zu "Markenverwässerung"(R) http://ur1.ca/93tbs | Apr 26 17:00 | |
| XFaCE | [11:55] -TRIdentica/#techrights- [thistleweb/@thistleweb] why don't app makers release their own apps inside their own marketplaces to get round the restrictions placed on them by #Google & #Apple? {04/26/12 [11:53:29 AM]} | Apr 26 17:01 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: See? See? Perfectly good reason for multiple app stores. | Apr 26 17:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | no it isnt | Apr 26 17:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | that only explains why slideme exists | Apr 26 17:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | so we can install emulators | Apr 26 17:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] Inside view from !fellow .@h2 about the Chinese firewall http://ur1.ca/91om8 #censorship | Apr 26 17:03 | |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: I suppose | Apr 26 17:05 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Equipment Maker Caught Installing Backdoor Account in Control System Code | Wired.com http://goo.gl/PV19b #FAIL #security | Apr 26 17:15 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] Interview mit !fellow @fastedi über #Piratenpartei und #FreieSoftware http://ur1.ca/93u2l | Apr 26 17:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Graphene found to emit infrared light http://identi.ca/url/69238142 | Apr 26 17:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] ColorHug drops remote disable http://ur1.ca/93u79 | Apr 26 17:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] #SPON "Gefangen in der Wolke" mit Kommentaren von Richard http://ur1.ca/93u6o | Apr 26 17:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] New Blog Post | #Softalicious Install Issues http://goo.gl/C6pOi | Apr 26 17:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Congress Decides To Ignore Privacy Concerns, Refuses To Even Consider Key #CISPA Amendments http://goo.gl/3si66 business as usual then | Apr 26 17:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] PI is seeking a new Head of International Advocacy - http://bit.ly/JFAFWF alas, you have to give them your name to apply... #privacy | Apr 26 17:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] RT @jwildeboer The Sorry State of ODF support at Google:- No ODP support in Google Presentations. Neither import nor export.- GMail c... ... | Apr 26 17:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Teach kids about open source on Take Our Daughters and Sons to Work Day | http://red.ht/IrTjhQ | Apr 26 17:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Dear friends, Just out of curiosity, does a Gambas executable program need the Gambas interpreter to run ??? Thanks in advance | Apr 26 17:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] #Ubuntu http://ur1.ca/93uly | Apr 26 17:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] The Sorry State of #ODF support at Google: http://ur1.ca/93umq | Apr 26 17:50 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Waiting for Henrik Sandkleft but the airport international exit... | Apr 26 17:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] OB Kandidat für #Jena zu #FreierSoftware !fs, #Bildung, etc. http://ur1.ca/93uqy | Apr 26 17:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[serk01/@serk01] "Rebooting this blog" http://identi.ca/url/69239853 | Apr 26 18:00 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: Präsentation online @ http://t.co/aiP1ZPCC RT @effemm: @ccbuhr stellt Digitale Agenda der EU vor http://t http://p.ost.im/p/egG9CW | Apr 26 18:07 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] TeK > Parlamento Europeu aconselhado a rejeitar acordo internacional contra a pirataria http://goo.gl/fzOSN #ACTA #EU | Apr 26 18:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] I'd hate to be a #Tesco employee or shareholder being told the share price or wages were going up; in #Tescoland up & down are reversed | Apr 26 18:25 | |
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| formic_ | 12:00 <@XFaCE> Diablo-D3: See? See? Perfectly good reason for multiple app stores. | Apr 26 18:33 |
| formic_ | Xface: I think there is a reason some of this stuff doesn't pass in the android marketplace | Apr 26 18:33 |
| formic_ | I don't mind manually installing emulators or whatever if Google is trying to keep my device malware free | Apr 26 18:34 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] #adobe accelerates #cs6 with !opencl http://ur1.ca/93vj8 cc @nj3ma @kelzOKO @dennisMungai | Apr 26 18:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Guest Post: H.L. Mencken Was Right | ZeroHedge http://goo.gl/hVgEK WOW...great article, must read! #usa #world #politics #government | Apr 26 18:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] No, you are not. | Apr 26 18:42 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Microsoft Office 15 to support #ODF 1.2 - The H Open Source http://goo.gl/L6j0h once again the cancer is cured, isn't it mr Ballmer?! | Apr 26 18:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] You may see some stuff from a few hours ago coming across the realtime updates. !identica | Apr 26 18:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] | Apr 26 18:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Report: #Microsoft tried and FAILED to offload #Bing on #Facebook • The Register http://goo.gl/iw6n9 #crashandburn | Apr 26 18:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] UK Open Standards consultation – important update - http://bit.ly/IqRpKJ whoa, do not miss this bombshell (v @DigDirEng) #openstandards | Apr 26 18:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] What's new in #Ubuntu 12.04 LTS - The H Open Source: News and Features http://goo.gl/DdTuF #gnulinux | Apr 26 18:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] We're updating again. | Apr 26 18:57 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] IRPF-Livre 2012 parece que “já” está funcionando! svn checkout http://ur1.ca/93wfu para experimentar. !fsfla !softwarelivre #softimp | Apr 26 18:58 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] RT @eloquence Very cool real-time stream of tweets referencing Wikipedia, with article snippets alongside them: http://ur1.ca/93wio | Apr 26 19:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] ≧^◡^≦ | Apr 26 19:02 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Something weird going on with non-latin scripts. I need to check this out. | Apr 26 19:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #CC Seeking Project Coordinator for Science & Data - http://bit.ly/It8QxC sadly only based in US (hey, think global, no?) (v @hadleybeeman) | Apr 26 19:12 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] This is huge: UK Standards consultation moderator was paid Microsoft consultant http://ur1.ca/93wq8 via @glynmoody | Apr 26 19:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] UK Cabinet Office does the right thing wrt #UKorruption: Throws out results from Microsoft submarine's round table, will repeat session | Apr 26 19:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] .@OpenMedia_ca keeps up the pressure against #CISPA & Canada's #C30 surveillance bill https://eff.org/r.Z78 #cdnpoli | Apr 26 19:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] Boy, I bet someone at the UK Cabinet Office is really angry right now http://ur1.ca/93wq8 #UKorruption | Apr 26 19:17 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Yeah, that's about right. | Apr 26 19:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] FRAND is a FRAUD - Joint statement by FSFE and FSF on UK Open Standards consultation http://ur1.ca/93wts | Apr 26 19:18 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] I think when mysql-proxy is diverting read-queries to the slaves, it's not doing the 'SET NAMES "utf8"' correctly | Apr 26 19:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] [Phoronix] Many #FSF Priority Projects Still Not Progressing http://goo.gl/053vM | Apr 26 19:20 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] That's pretty impressive anyway | Apr 26 19:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Not quite out of the woods. Seems like I'm having some charset problems. | Apr 26 19:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] RT @karsten Boy, I bet someone at the UK Cabinet Office is really angry right now http://ur1.ca/93wq8 #UKorruption | Apr 26 19:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] RT @karsten This is huge: UK Standards consultation moderator was paid Microsoft consultant http://ur1.ca/93wq8 via @glynmoody | Apr 26 19:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Returning from "After !ACTA" conference in Cracow, PL; just got msg I'm invited to speak at copyrights conference in... Cracow, PL in a week | Apr 26 19:27 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Sorry, I'm having some problems with the DB, working on it right now. | Apr 26 19:33 | |
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| formic_ | xface - with golang, it seems you can import libraries using URL's | Apr 26 20:23 |
| formic_ | the compiler takes care of everything and there is no need for makefiles | Apr 26 20:23 |
| formic_ | go is makefile free, if done right | Apr 26 20:23 |
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| formic_ | jono - do you know anything about Canonical's use of Google's Go language? | Apr 26 21:27 |
| formic_ | jono - http://go-lang.cat-v.org/organizations-using-go | Apr 26 21:27 |
| jono | formic_, there is a lot of internal interest | Apr 26 21:28 |
| jono | mainly people exploring it | Apr 26 21:28 |
| formic_ | it seems pretty revolutionary | Apr 26 21:29 |
| formic_ | you can import their version of libraries using url's in your code | Apr 26 21:29 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.opera.com/browser/next/ | Apr 26 23:12 |
| DaemonFC | Opera 12 beta is out finally | Apr 26 23:12 |
| DaemonFC | it took them so long that they eventually backported the less disruptive changes into the 11.x series and made an 11.6 release | Apr 26 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | the biggest change is the OpenGL or DirectX backend for Vega | Apr 26 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | everything you do in Opera is hardware accelerated now assuming your hardware and drivers are capable (even the menus!) | Apr 26 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.opera.com/docs/specs/presto2.10/#changes | Apr 26 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | A full list of rendering engine changes | Apr 26 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox only has very limited support for WebGL, it will work but anyone that isn't using Nvidia's proprietary driver won't get an acceptable rendering speed | Apr 26 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | Opera supports it on both AMD and Nvidia, as well as Mesa assuming you have at least 7.10.3 | Apr 26 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox gave up and blacklisted hardware accelerated WebGL for AMD Catalyst because it would often cause the browser or X to crash, and with Mesa, it would actually render slower and leak memory | Apr 26 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | but at the same time, they've made sure DirectX works fine | Apr 26 23:19 |
| DaemonFC | Linux Mint Debian got a refresh that rolls Update Pack 4 | Apr 26 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Linux-Mint-Debian-Edition-201204-arrives-with-MATE-1-2-and-Cinnamon-1-4-1558535.html | Apr 26 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | Opera and Linux Mint came to a compromise regarding search revenue | Apr 26 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | Linux Mint was hijacking Opera users search engine preference for revenue purposes and depriving Opera of their income, so Opera introduced a search hijack prevention feature | Apr 26 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | after a while of going back and forth, they finally agreed that Linux Mint will carry Opera with shared revenue for both of them, and if the user gets Opera directly, then Linux Mint will leave its search alone | Apr 26 23:23 |
| DaemonFC | search hijacking was one of the reasons I haven't bothered with Linux Mint | Apr 26 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | they were fairly aggressive about forcing you to use a crippled version of Google with their ads all over the place | Apr 26 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | if you fixed it, the next Firefox update from Linux Mint would put their crippled Google search back | Apr 26 23:25 |
| MinceR | do they still do it? | Apr 26 23:25 |
| DaemonFC | no idea | Apr 26 23:26 |
| DaemonFC | I don't want to use a crippled version of Firefox that keeps forcing me to use a crippled version of Google so Linux Mint can make a few bucks | Apr 26 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | and at that time, they were even reaching in and overwriting Opera's search engines too | Apr 26 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | so there was really no escaping it | Apr 26 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, It's clear they're greedy and piss all over you if you try to fix their issues. Plus, the main developer at one point was saying that unless you recognized the legitimacy of Palestinian suicide bombers, you shouldn't use or donate to Linux Mint. | Apr 26 23:31 |
| DaemonFC | And since I don't happen to like the Israelis or the Palestinians, and making such a demand of your users goes outside of the scope of a software license and makes the entire distribution nonfree.... | Apr 26 23:32 |
| DaemonFC | well, he later retracted that | Apr 26 23:32 |
| DaemonFC | but I thought it was insane that he felt entitled to make that demand in the first place | Apr 26 23:32 |
| DaemonFC | I guess he could since you can license the compilation itself however you want to, even if that makes it nonfree | Apr 26 23:33 |
| DaemonFC | but, his erratic behavior and bizarre demands lead me to wonder if it will happen again | Apr 26 23:34 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, We've seen nonfree Linux distributions before with extravagant and abusive EULAs | Apr 26 23:35 |
| DaemonFC | I consider his blog post to taint Linux Mint itself | Apr 26 23:36 |
| DaemonFC | maybe he should just think before he speaks, but the results are a malicious denial of service attack via EULA | Apr 26 23:36 |
| MinceR | was it a part of the distro EULA? | Apr 26 23:37 |
| DaemonFC | it sets a condition of use for the Linux Mint compilation, from a person with the authority to designate the copyright terms for Linux Mint | Apr 26 23:38 |
| DaemonFC | you tell me what it was | Apr 26 23:38 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 26 23:38 |
| MinceR | could it be legally binding? | Apr 26 23:39 |
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| DaemonFC | it would be difficult to enforce unless someone admitted they were using Linux Mint and didn't recognize the legitimacy of "Palestine" | Apr 26 23:40 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 26 23:41 |
| DaemonFC | but that doesn't mean it's not "theoretically" binding | Apr 26 23:41 |
| DaemonFC | and it's certainly outside of the scope of what a software license should be trying to demand | Apr 26 23:41 |
| DaemonFC | and it is a restriction on USE, which makes the software in question nonfree | Apr 26 23:41 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR, Fedora omits software for having things like "Use this software for good, not evil" in the license | Apr 26 23:42 |
| DaemonFC | they consider it nonfree and "impossible to parse" | Apr 26 23:42 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 26 23:43 |
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| MinceR | gn | Apr 26 23:52 |
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