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| scientes | http://www.ubuntu.com/ | Apr 27 00:38 |
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| scientes | see, not a single mention of "linux" | Apr 27 00:38 |
| scientes | they have dropped that as much as possible | Apr 27 00:38 |
| dyfet | not even in any related pages... | Apr 27 00:40 |
| scientes | "*our" community" | Apr 27 00:40 |
| dyfet | where is that? | Apr 27 00:41 |
| scientes | http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/why-is-it-free | Apr 27 00:41 |
| scientes | "*our* global community" | Apr 27 00:41 |
| dyfet | well, they do have a subset of the community that they tightly control... | Apr 27 00:42 |
| dyfet | maybe that is what they mean ;) | Apr 27 00:42 |
| scientes | i find it funny that embedded doesn't see the clear advantage of systemd | Apr 27 00:50 |
| scientes | "Note that kernels are potentially actually useful even in the absence of | Apr 27 00:53 |
| scientes | userspace. Back in the 2.2 days there was as trick where you'd set up your | Apr 27 00:53 |
| scientes | ipchains so everything was routing and masquerading how you wanted, and then | Apr 27 00:53 |
| scientes | intentionally have init exit (panicing the kernel). The machine would still | Apr 27 00:53 |
| scientes | handle interrupts and thus still route packets, but there was no userspace. | Apr 27 00:53 |
| scientes | (Try running your rootkit on _that_ box.) I don't think it still works on | Apr 27 00:53 |
| scientes | modern systems, but you see my point. | Apr 27 00:53 |
| scientes | " | Apr 27 00:53 |
| scientes | thats kinda cool, and i've heard about it before | Apr 27 00:54 |
| scientes | "Imagine a kernel that does nothing but parse a device tree, probe a little bit | Apr 27 00:54 |
| scientes | of described hardware and early_printk some information about it, and then | Apr 27 00:54 |
| scientes | halt. That's a tool on the order of memtest86 that's conceivably useful as an | Apr 27 00:54 |
| scientes | early smoketest, and the fact it _can't_ currently be built from the Linux | Apr 27 00:54 |
| scientes | source is _sad_." | Apr 27 00:54 |
| scientes | that makes alot of sense | Apr 27 00:54 |
| scientes | http://www.mentby.com/rob-landley/what-happened-to-linux-tiny.html | Apr 27 00:55 |
| dyfet | Hmm... | Apr 27 00:57 |
| dyfet | Yes, you have to start from the bottom and add... | Apr 27 00:57 |
| scientes | he struggled to get patches accepted that remove perl from kconfig | Apr 27 00:58 |
| dyfet | netbsd's kernel is nicer in that respect | Apr 27 00:58 |
| scientes | he hates make and autoconf...interesting | Apr 27 01:00 |
| scientes | does he like cmke? | Apr 27 01:00 |
| scientes | http://balau82.wordpress.com/2010/02/28/hello-world-for-bare-metal-arm-using-qemu/ | Apr 27 01:01 |
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| XFaCE | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-17865117 | Apr 27 01:51 |
| _Goblin | Good news for Microsoft....those "licenses" Samsung buys will mean Microsoft gets quite a bit off that....does it not? | Apr 27 01:56 |
| _Goblin | Ubuntu is flying off the shelves....and its getting great reviews...12.04 looks to be very special | Apr 27 01:56 |
| _Goblin | Weekend I'll upgrade to 12.04 | Apr 27 01:57 |
| _Goblin | Right....must go...late... | Apr 27 01:58 |
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| formic_ | hey xface | Apr 27 02:01 |
| XFaCE | formic_: Hello | Apr 27 02:02 |
| XFaCE | formic_: I miss the federal Progressive Conservatives | Apr 27 02:02 |
| formic_ | I was playing around with Go today | Apr 27 02:02 |
| XFaCE | wha't that? | Apr 27 02:02 |
| formic_ | www.golang.org | Apr 27 02:02 |
| formic_ | Also, Jono Confirmed: Canonical is playing around with it too | Apr 27 02:03 |
| formic_ | The official compiler toolkit is quite amazing itself too | Apr 27 02:04 |
| XFaCE | what;s its claim to fame? | Apr 27 02:04 |
| formic_ | one thing that amazed me about it was that you could do includes in your code for other packages and the compiler grabs them | Apr 27 02:04 |
| formic_ | mercurial or git is supported | Apr 27 02:04 |
| formic_ | you can also use the compiler itself, point it at a go git repo thats been setup correctly | Apr 27 02:05 |
| formic_ | it grabs the code, compiles it and puts the binary in your library | Apr 27 02:05 |
| formic_ | if you have other code that uses that package, it'll use the one in your library | Apr 27 02:06 |
| formic_ | almost like package management for a distro | Apr 27 02:06 |
| formic_ | you can also write a web server with around 10 lines of code | Apr 27 02:07 |
| DaemonFC | Hi [Landlord], | Apr 27 02:07 |
| DaemonFC | Your repair person never showed up today to paint that fiberglass like he said he was going to. I am not going to go another day without a shower, that's gross. Do you think you can send someone out here tomorrow (Friday) to paint that? | Apr 27 02:07 |
| DaemonFC | If not, that's OK, I will take my shower and we can see what happens. | Apr 27 02:07 |
| DaemonFC | -Ryan | Apr 27 02:07 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 27 02:07 |
| DaemonFC | he called me back and said just go ahead and use it and he'll get someone out here tomorrow | Apr 27 02:07 |
| formic_ | Dawn probably needs a shower right? | Apr 27 02:07 |
| DaemonFC | it's been two days since I've showered and I'm just starting to smell funky | Apr 27 02:08 |
| DaemonFC | formic_, I'd never shower again if the only other option was to go next door to Dawn's, strip naked, and get in her shower | Apr 27 02:08 |
| DaemonFC | but......at least she could shave my back hair for me :) | Apr 27 02:09 |
| XFaCE | too | Apr 27 02:10 |
| XFaCE | much | Apr 27 02:10 |
| XFaCE | information | Apr 27 02:10 |
| XFaCE | ah cleared the chat | Apr 27 02:10 |
| XFaCE | and got that image out of my head | Apr 27 02:10 |
| DaemonFC | they need to come up with something to make it easier to shave your own back | Apr 27 02:10 |
| DaemonFC | to protect men from Dawn | Apr 27 02:11 |
| formic_ | xface - this is all the cool stuff thats built in - http://golang.org/pkg/ | Apr 27 02:12 |
| DaemonFC | if I do win the $10 million from Publisher's Clearing House, I think I'm going to buy up a whole bunch of land out in the middle of nowhere | Apr 27 02:14 |
| DaemonFC | build a nice house on it | Apr 27 02:14 |
| DaemonFC | I'd want enough property so that if anyone else ever decided to move out there, they'd have to be at least half a mile from me | Apr 27 02:15 |
| formic_ | damn straight | Apr 27 02:17 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sick of lousy neighbors | Apr 27 02:22 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know which is worse. Ones that crank the stereo and have babies screaming and crying / dogs barking. Or when the landlord moved in that used up old nymphomaniac in next door | Apr 27 02:23 |
| DaemonFC | or drug dealers | Apr 27 02:23 |
| DaemonFC | at least drug dealers tend to keep to themselves to avoid drawing unwanted attention, the smarter ones anyway | Apr 27 02:24 |
| DaemonFC | I've had some stupid ones for neighbors before though | Apr 27 02:24 |
| DaemonFC | I called the police for a noise complaint, police went out there and ended up arresting them because they had drugs and they were partying with minors | Apr 27 02:25 |
| DaemonFC | (which is a great way to make the drug charge even worse) | Apr 27 02:25 |
| DaemonFC | formic_, I noticed a strange quirk in the law, btw. In Indiana at least. | Apr 27 02:26 |
| DaemonFC | giving alcohol to someone over 18 but under 21 is a Class D Felony | Apr 27 02:26 |
| DaemonFC | but someone who is over 18 but under 21 who is drinking alcohol commits a Class C misdemeanor | Apr 27 02:26 |
| DaemonFC | usually gets slapped with a relatively small fine or maybe a few days in jail | Apr 27 02:27 |
| DaemonFC | I'd like to know why the law is so lenient on those it calls "adults" by treating them like children who can't be expected to know any better, while the adults that furnished the alcohol to the other adults have the book thrown at them. | Apr 27 02:28 |
| DaemonFC | of course, if we want to ask why the law is unfair, there's plenty of other examples like this | Apr 27 02:28 |
| scientes | <formic_> you can also write a web server with around 10 lines of code | Apr 27 02:41 |
| scientes | I CAN SEEZS? | Apr 27 02:41 |
| formic_ | http://golang.org/doc/articles/wiki/ | Apr 27 02:44 |
| formic_ | this is coo | Apr 27 02:50 |
| formic_ | http://go-lang.cat-v.org/talks/ | Apr 27 02:50 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501363_162-57422619/us-trucker-nabbed-in-mexico-with-ammo-is-charged/ | Apr 27 03:18 |
| DaemonFC | nice | Apr 27 03:18 |
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| DaemonFC | http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/raw-file/tip/encrypted-media/encrypted-media.html | Apr 27 04:05 |
| DaemonFC | Chrome Dev channel now has DRM support for HTML 5 | Apr 27 04:05 |
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| scientes | DaemonFC, yet another reason im glad i use firefox | Apr 27 05:34 |
| scientes | also, flash made flash videos harder to download on linux, you have to go to /proc/pid/fd/ | Apr 27 05:35 |
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| scientes | where pid==the pid of the flash process | Apr 27 05:35 |
| scientes | DaemonFC, what type of "DRM", and on what operating systems? | Apr 27 05:35 |
| scientes | what type of digital restrictions management | Apr 27 05:35 |
| DaemonFC | audio and video encryption | Apr 27 05:37 |
| DaemonFC | the draft is flexible enough that you could even impose DRM on a WebM stream | Apr 27 05:37 |
| DaemonFC | it's not limited by the file format or codec | Apr 27 05:38 |
| DaemonFC | the draft was written by Microsoft, Google, and Netflix | Apr 27 05:38 |
| DaemonFC | Chrome's Pepper Flash has major problems | Apr 27 05:39 |
| DaemonFC | some video players play videos too fast | Apr 27 05:39 |
| DaemonFC | or the audio and video is out of sync | Apr 27 05:39 |
| DaemonFC | and most of the time you can't go full screen | Apr 27 05:40 |
| DaemonFC | which makes it useless | Apr 27 05:40 |
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| scientes | oh, its that one that mozilla was like "this is bullshit: | Apr 27 05:51 |
| scientes | to | Apr 27 05:51 |
| scientes | DaemonFC, is it in chromium, or only in chrome? | Apr 27 05:52 |
| scientes | but again, yet another reason to validate my not using of chromium | Apr 27 05:52 |
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| scientes | http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2012/04/theming-update-planned-for-ubuntu-1210-codenamed-quantal-quetzal.ars | Apr 27 06:31 |
| scientes | what about avahi? | Apr 27 06:31 |
| scientes | i knew poettering for avahi | Apr 27 06:31 |
| scientes | hey they at least said it "continuing divergence from the rest of the Linux desktop ecosystem." | Apr 27 06:32 |
| scientes | thats good | Apr 27 06:32 |
| scientes | its the truth | Apr 27 06:33 |
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| scientes | https://www.democracynow.org/2012/4/26/cispa_critics_warn_cybersecurity_bill_will | Apr 27 06:52 |
| scientes | just passed | Apr 27 06:52 |
| scientes | http://www.theverge.com/2012/4/26/2978395/us-house-passes-cispa | Apr 27 06:52 |
| scientes | can anyone make an immediate post on this? | Apr 27 06:52 |
| scientes | dont we have people besides schestowitz that can make posts? | Apr 27 06:52 |
| scientes | https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/04/eff-condemns-cispa-vows-take-fight-senate | Apr 27 06:53 |
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| sebsebseb | Steam is coming to Linux for real, I don't use it, but one of the most requested apps by Ubuntu fans | Apr 27 07:46 |
| MinceR | i'm more interested in the games than the DRM platform :> | Apr 27 07:53 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR, this article is good | Apr 27 07:55 |
| sebsebseb | I jus read about it | Apr 27 07:55 |
| sebsebseb | seems the company founder wants to really embrace Linux | Apr 27 07:55 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I hope that means other distros as well, and not just Ubuntu, probably does :) | Apr 27 07:55 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 27 07:55 |
| sebsebseb | however the testing is being done on Ubuntu | Apr 27 07:56 |
| sebsebseb | and such so hmm | Apr 27 07:56 |
| sebsebseb | also he used to work for Micrsooft | Apr 27 07:56 |
| sebsebseb | yeah this is a good article | Apr 27 07:56 |
| sebsebseb | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=valve_linux_dampfnudeln&num=1 | Apr 27 07:56 |
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| sebsebseb | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Valve-is-working-on-Steam-and-Left-4-Dead-2-for-Linux-1558793.html | Apr 27 07:58 |
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| sebsebseb | Very good article form Thistleweb just read it :) http://thistleweb.co.uk/blog/26/04/2012/open-respect | Apr 27 08:10 |
| iophk | Was there discord between Red Hat and Canonical? | Apr 27 08:17 |
| iophk | Both can gain a lot of users from the growing Vista8 debacle. | Apr 27 08:18 |
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| MinceR | r4wr | Apr 27 09:47 |
| cubezzz | let me just say I thought windows 2.0 was bad :) | Apr 27 10:10 |
| cubezzz | it's the same old story | Apr 27 10:11 |
| cubezzz | in those days not many people were even using windows | Apr 27 10:15 |
| cubezzz | it was an interesting era | Apr 27 10:15 |
| cubezzz | Xenix, Desqview, Topview, MSDOS... | Apr 27 10:15 |
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| timroy | hello all | Apr 27 13:19 |
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| formic_ | im seriously rethinking getting an android tablet | Apr 27 13:59 |
| formic_ | cyanogenmod doesn't have a 4.0 yet | Apr 27 13:59 |
| iophk | What's crucial about 4.0? | Apr 27 13:59 |
| formic_ | im not using a 2 year old version of android (2.3) | Apr 27 14:00 |
| formic_ | im not one of those people who run old shit | Apr 27 14:00 |
| formic_ | i was gonna grab a kindle fire, has android 2.3 | Apr 27 14:00 |
| iophk | Are there any that come with a Debian variant/derivative? | Apr 27 14:00 |
| formic_ | debian? | Apr 27 14:01 |
| formic_ | debian android???? | Apr 27 14:01 |
| iophk | Instead of Android | Apr 27 14:01 |
| formic_ | I'd be more interested in fedora or something non-debian | Apr 27 14:02 |
| oiaohm | Some devices that support cyanogenmod are 4.0+ | Apr 27 14:05 |
| formic_ | cyanogenmod itself has not reached 4.0 (Cm9 is not final release, its beta and is missing a lot of drivers that are not open source) | Apr 27 14:06 |
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| formic_ | someone got android 4 to run on the fire but no wifi or accelerated graphics yet | Apr 27 14:07 |
| formic_ | im going to have to pick up a device that already has 4.0 | Apr 27 14:08 |
| formic_ | so much for android being 'open' | Apr 27 14:08 |
| formic_ | a lot of these tablets have proprietary hardware | Apr 27 14:08 |
| formic_ | im certainly not going to be using the 'silk' privacy killing browser - lol | Apr 27 14:09 |
| oiaohm | Some of that is the Linux kernel suxing in a particular area. | Apr 27 14:09 |
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| formic_ | oiaohm - no, its the proprietary hardware suxing | Apr 27 14:09 |
| oiaohm | Allwinner A10 stuff does not require proprietary stuff. | Apr 27 14:09 |
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| formic_ | oh yeah the allwinner | Apr 27 14:09 |
| formic_ | any tablets running that? | Apr 27 14:09 |
| oiaohm | Yes | Apr 27 14:10 |
| formic_ | link me :) | Apr 27 14:10 |
| oiaohm | Quite a few from china | Apr 27 14:10 |
| formic_ | ugh, any not from china? | Apr 27 14:10 |
| oiaohm | Its the cheapest arm chip you can get. | Apr 27 14:10 |
| formic_ | im an environmentalist | Apr 27 14:10 |
| oiaohm | The allwinner A10 are normally the stuff you order when you want something custom branded. | Apr 27 14:11 |
| oiaohm | And fairly cheep. | Apr 27 14:11 |
| formic_ | any links? ill at least take alook | Apr 27 14:12 |
| oiaohm | http://www.geekland.co/97-Android-40-Allwinner-A10-tablet-1024x768-IPS-Dual-Camera-GK-BC-m901.htm | Apr 27 14:13 |
| iophk | The GTA04 tablet / phone is all free software and open hardware | Apr 27 14:13 |
| oiaohm | That is a 9.5 inch. | Apr 27 14:13 |
| oiaohm | But there are 7.5 that are like half the price. | Apr 27 14:13 |
| formic_ | perfect | Apr 27 14:14 |
| oiaohm | There are many others. | Apr 27 14:14 |
| formic_ | holy why is it so expensive | Apr 27 14:14 |
| formic_ | isn't the allwinner less than $20 ? | Apr 27 14:14 |
| formic_ | the chip | Apr 27 14:15 |
| oiaohm | Less that $20 dollars include Chip and 1 g of ram. | Apr 27 14:15 |
| oiaohm | That thing is double cameras and the screen. | Apr 27 14:15 |
| formic_ | i think i might build my own | Apr 27 14:15 |
| oiaohm | And someone there is kinda making a killing. | Apr 27 14:15 |
| oiaohm | There are other makers | Apr 27 14:16 |
| oiaohm | More resonable prices. | Apr 27 14:16 |
| formic_ | if i make one myself ill have 100% controll | Apr 27 14:16 |
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| formic_ | if i make one myself ill have 100% control | Apr 27 14:16 |
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| oiaohm | http://blog.slate4sure.com/tablet-cpu-comparison-amlogic-aml8726-rockchip-rk2918-allwinner-a10/ | Apr 27 14:17 |
| oiaohm | Really you don't get much more control than the allwinner a10 and other chips. | Apr 27 14:17 |
| oiaohm | They are the only ones when maker of the device cannot block you from flashing the complete firmware. | Apr 27 14:17 |
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| formic_ | yeah i might get the allwinner chip and build my own | Apr 27 14:18 |
| formic_ | i've built custom desktops and laptops | Apr 27 14:19 |
| oiaohm | Really allwinner is not the only acceptable chip. | Apr 27 14:19 |
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| oiaohm | Mali video drivers are fully open source. | Apr 27 14:19 |
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| formic_ | allwinner seems to have the price point and good speed | Apr 27 14:20 |
| formic_ | I might even build other stuff with those chips too | Apr 27 14:20 |
| formic_ | I want to build a 'wifi honeypot' | Apr 27 14:20 |
| formic_ | actually no, not honeypot | Apr 27 14:21 |
| formic_ | more like a trap to grab info | Apr 27 14:21 |
| oiaohm | Its price point will get better later in year | Apr 27 14:22 |
| formic_ | set it up with WEP, and provide a fake acess point to fake websites | Apr 27 14:22 |
| oiaohm | To be correct less effort later in year. | Apr 27 14:22 |
| oiaohm | Come on there is nicer than that. | Apr 27 14:23 |
| formic_ | ? | Apr 27 14:23 |
| oiaohm | I have done the evil of 3 locations all switching on an off random ally. | Apr 27 14:24 |
| oiaohm | All displaying the same network id. | Apr 27 14:24 |
| oiaohm | Since wifi networks don't have direction it becomes really simple to spot the confused network nicker. | Apr 27 14:25 |
| oiaohm | There is also the fun one of using tarpit. | Apr 27 14:26 |
| formic_ | I was thinking of setting up a WEP protected router, hoping people hack it and then give me their passwords when they try to log into certain sites | Apr 27 14:26 |
| formic_ | by protecting it with WEP, they cant complain to anyone if they hack it and i grab their passwords | Apr 27 14:26 |
| formic_ | social engineering toolkit ftw | Apr 27 14:27 |
| oiaohm | formic_: how long do you think you can hold a http connection open without sending any data. | Apr 27 14:27 |
| oiaohm | formic_: Aprox 24 mins | Apr 27 14:27 |
| oiaohm | formic_: Linux firewall tarpiting. | Apr 27 14:28 |
| oiaohm | formic_: worlds slowest internet connection. | Apr 27 14:28 |
| formic_ | what are you getting at | Apr 27 14:28 |
| oiaohm | The connect they try to browse | Apr 27 14:28 |
| oiaohm | Each web page item takes aprox 24 min to turn up. | Apr 27 14:28 |
| oiaohm | If they don't wait 24 mins they don't get anything. | Apr 27 14:29 |
| formic_ | lol | Apr 27 14:29 |
| formic_ | whats the point | Apr 27 14:29 |
| oiaohm | Fun part is tarpited the tcp sockets don't close. | Apr 27 14:30 |
| oiaohm | So you can run a windows machine out of sockets and it crashes. | Apr 27 14:30 |
| formic_ | ROFL | Apr 27 14:30 |
| oiaohm | Yes you can be nasty and only be tarpitting a percentage. | Apr 27 14:32 |
| oiaohm | So the longer they browse the closer they get to doom. | Apr 27 14:32 |
| oiaohm | formic_: have you ever played with xtable addons for linux | Apr 27 14:33 |
| formic_ | no | Apr 27 14:35 |
| formic_ | what is that? | Apr 27 14:35 |
| oiaohm | A stack of nasty addons to the Linux firewall | Apr 27 14:36 |
| formic_ | is that for iptables? | Apr 27 14:37 |
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| oiaohm | formic_: O yes. http://dev.medozas.de/files/xtables/xtables-addons.8.html | Apr 27 14:39 |
| oiaohm | formic_: chaos allows you to play to be bit if hardware having really major problems. | Apr 27 14:41 |
| oiaohm | formic_: I guess this is a little more evil that most people think the Linux firewall can be. | Apr 27 14:42 |
| oiaohm | formic_: basically they are ways to make your router more misrable so take them longer to work out they are only getting fake sites. | Apr 27 14:49 |
| formic_ | lol | Apr 27 14:55 |
| formic_ | thats rather amusing | Apr 27 14:55 |
| formic_ | I wonder if it works with firewalld | Apr 27 14:55 |
| formic_ | In theory it should, it'll use iptables rules for backwards compatibility | Apr 27 14:56 |
| formic_ | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FirewallD | Apr 27 14:57 |
| oiaohm | They are just iptables addon modules. | Apr 27 14:59 |
| oiaohm | So just expand what you can script iptables todo. | Apr 27 14:59 |
| iophk | http://www.techweekeurope.co.uk/news/government-open-consultation-extended-75348 | Apr 27 15:05 |
| iophk | Microsofter posing as Open Source expert. It happens elsewhere too I suspect | Apr 27 15:05 |
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| formic_ | 10:03 <@iophk> Microsofter posing as Open Source expert. It happens elsewhere too I suspect | Apr 27 15:44 |
| formic_ | lol | Apr 27 15:44 |
| formic_ | they are experts, they know the loopholes needed to keep their right to sue | Apr 27 15:45 |
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| iophk | Yeah, talk about getting the moles in deep. | Apr 27 16:02 |
| iophk | Creating delay is almost as good as blocking or corrupting. | Apr 27 16:03 |
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| formic_ | http://www.factorydirect.ca/catalog/product_spec.php?pcode=KR0748 | Apr 27 16:44 |
| formic_ | KROSS GY-748 7" 4GB ANDROID 4.0 TABLET | Apr 27 16:44 |
| formic_ | $129.99 CND | Apr 27 16:44 |
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| formic_ | hi | Apr 27 18:53 |
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| DaemonFC | 10 cups water, 1/4 cup of chlorine bleach, a tablespoon of mild dish soap | Apr 27 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | mix it all up in the percolator and set it on strong | Apr 27 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 27 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | just don't let anyone confuse it for coffee while you're letting it clean the thing out | Apr 27 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | and run it through a couple cycles with just water afterwards | Apr 27 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | I tried vinegar and that doesn't work as well | Apr 27 19:04 |
| iophk | Will the MPAA now target the federal post office? https://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/27/nyregion/at-92-movie-bootlegger-is-soldiers-hero.html They've been going after the ISP lately. | Apr 27 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | well, the Republicans are doing a great job of demonizing the post office | Apr 27 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | they're trying to make it fail so that private companies can come along and charge 10 times as much for basic mail services | Apr 27 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | if they really wanted to make the post office solvent, they would remove the requirement of 75 years worth of healthcare and retirement pre-funding | Apr 27 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | and probably would stop abusing Congressional free postage for re-election stunts disguised as "constituent correspondence" | Apr 27 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | every election cycle, the post office gets a tidal wave of millions of Congressional mailings abusing the free postage they're entitled to for constituent correspondence | Apr 27 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | which means that the post office has to effectively give away millions of dollars worth of postage each year to a bunch of freeloading millionaires | Apr 27 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | given the size of the post office, the effect is not huge, but they are proposing closing down 3,700 post office locations to save $65 million a year | Apr 27 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | so if even only $1 million was saved by paying for their own postage, they could keep 57 locations running just because of that | Apr 27 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | but welfare that benefits the rich and powerful is almost never on the chopping block, is it? | Apr 27 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | what's really going on here is the same story as always | Apr 27 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | after the government shuts down the post office and replaces it with price gougers, they'll use the money to fund more tax breaks for millionaires, or more weapons systems, etc. | Apr 27 19:18 |
| amarsh04 | here the government pays the politicans the postal allowance, which the post office gets for delivering the politicians mail | Apr 27 19:23 |
| amarsh04 | I trust the post office here with package delivery more than dhl or fedex | Apr 27 19:23 |
| amarsh04 | post office - 2 km away open m-f 9-5 and sat 9-12:30 | Apr 27 19:24 |
| amarsh04 | dhl/fedex open m-f 9-5 only at the airport 20 km away | Apr 27 19:24 |
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| TakinOver_ | Here in the US, if I ship something to my son, it had better by by UPS/Fedex or he will never get it. There are things from 18 months back that have still never been delivered. | Apr 27 19:44 |
| MinceR | the hungarian post office steals stuff too | Apr 27 19:46 |
| TakinOver_ | Also, USPS could raise a bunch more money if they raised the price for advertising junk mail. I get a half-inch thick stack of it delivered three times per week. It all goes straight into the recycle bin. | Apr 27 19:46 |
| MinceR | to the point where many webshops just don't ship to hungary | Apr 27 19:46 |
| TakinOver_ | I never said it was theft. Most likely, they delivered to the wrong address. USPS is run by bean-counters, so employees cannot take the time to do things correctly. | Apr 27 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, bulk junk mail is about 90% of what the post office delivers to me | Apr 27 19:50 |
| formic_ | http://pastebin.com/rBu4jDm8 | Apr 27 19:50 |
| formic_ | skype is dangerous to your ID | Apr 27 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | out of the remaining 10%, most are bills | Apr 27 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | <1% is stuff I really want | Apr 27 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | most of what I buy is a planned purchase | Apr 27 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | ads don't really affect my decisions | Apr 27 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | they do manage to create a lot of garbage though | Apr 27 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | as much as they try to greenwash it | Apr 27 19:58 |
| formic_ | I plan to report D-link, seagate and western digital to Ad Standards Canada | Apr 27 20:00 |
| formic_ | software does not make something non-green suddenly green | Apr 27 20:00 |
| formic_ | cutting power so you save 1 watt is not making something green, especially when your power comes from nature (niagra falls, not a coal power plant) | Apr 27 20:01 |
| formic_ | the water doesn't move through the damn faster because people are running power to ports not being used | Apr 27 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | but there is a maximum amount of electricity that can be generated from that source | Apr 27 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | and it is combined with electricity produced by other means before being transmitted over the line | Apr 27 20:14 |
| scientes | formic_, its still a good idea | Apr 27 20:15 |
| scientes | its not pure green-washing | Apr 27 20:15 |
| scientes | / astroturfing | Apr 27 20:16 |
| DaemonFC | sometimes the difference made by a driver can significantly impact power use | Apr 27 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | my RadeonHD 5670 uses about 30 watts at idle with open source, but only about half that with Catalyst | Apr 27 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | according to Dave Airlie, the documentation is all there so that open source power management could be as good as Catalyst's, but there's not enough people interested in doing it | Apr 27 20:22 |
| iophk | http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2815961&cid=39824709 | Apr 27 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | Luc Verhaegan responded that unless you hire someone and pay them a salary, things that are "not fun" like power management, typically just get left undone | Apr 27 20:22 |
| scientes | DaemonFC, you realize David Airlie is the mintainer of the drm subsystem right? | Apr 27 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Apr 27 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | the people AMD is paying to work on open source radeon have little interest in power management on desktop cards | Apr 27 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | the embedded unit doesn't have to deal with things like fan control and reclocking (in fact, some of the embedded chipsets manage this themselves) | Apr 27 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | scientes, Verhaegan worked on SUSE's RadeonHD project | Apr 27 20:26 |
| DaemonFC | there were certainly many good arguments for using and not using AtomBIOS | Apr 27 20:26 |
| DaemonFC | Red Hat's people want to use it, SUSE didn't | Apr 27 20:26 |
| scientes | auralian was complaining about radeon PM | Apr 27 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | AtomBIOS is a mixed blessing | Apr 27 20:27 |
| scientes | http://blog.aurel32.net/94 | Apr 27 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | it requires less new code to be written, minor tweaks to the hardware itself by vendors don't matter | Apr 27 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | it seems the downside is the same as most abstraction layers | Apr 27 20:28 |
| DaemonFC | potential performance cost, SUSE's team complained that if AMD only documents AtomBIOS, it leaves the low level hardware undocumented so they can still selectively document things and require low level reverse engineering | Apr 27 20:29 |
| DaemonFC | seems AMD prefers this because they don't want to leak out low level card details that would be useful for undermining HDCP on Windows and Mac | Apr 27 20:29 |
| formic_ | 15:13 < scientes> formic_, its still a good idea | Apr 27 20:30 |
| formic_ | 15:13 < scientes> its not pure green-washing | Apr 27 20:30 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of Peter Gutmann's criticism of Windows Vista DRM did turn out to be true | Apr 27 20:30 |
| formic_ | yes it is pure green-washing | Apr 27 20:30 |
| formic_ | I'm a *real* environmentalist | Apr 27 20:30 |
| DaemonFC | although it didn't stop open source driver efforts dead in their tracks, it does force hardware vendors to hide certain things about their hardware | Apr 27 20:31 |
| formic_ | those products (d-link) routers are still manufactured in china in the exact same way they were before | Apr 27 20:31 |
| DaemonFC | so it's definitely an impediment | Apr 27 20:31 |
| scientes | formic_, true, most of the environmental impact is manufacturing, which we aparently dont give a shit about | Apr 27 20:32 |
| scientes | also wiki: Jevons paradox | Apr 27 20:32 |
| formic_ | your product has to be green through its its manufacturing lifecycle and its use | Apr 27 20:32 |
| DaemonFC | as long as we don't have to watch | Apr 27 20:32 |
| formic_ | according to Canadian laws | Apr 27 20:32 |
| DaemonFC | seems to be a common thing | Apr 27 20:32 |
| scientes | formic_, oh thats a good idea | Apr 27 20:32 |
| scientes | in the US "green" means radioactive green paint | Apr 27 20:32 |
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| formic_ | http://www.competitionbureau.gc.ca/eic/site/cb-bc.nsf/eng/02701.html | Apr 27 20:33 |
| scientes | still, i bought one of those routers, cause they do use less electricity | Apr 27 20:33 |
| scientes | (and i needed a switch) | Apr 27 20:33 |
| formic_ | its actually anti-competitive to advertise green when its really not | Apr 27 20:33 |
| formic_ | dlink told me that my DIR-615 would become "green" after a firmware update | Apr 27 20:34 |
| formic_ | thats bullshit | Apr 27 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | they're out here working on my plumbing | Apr 27 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | turns out Dawn's washing machine put too much pressure on the drain line and popped one of the seals | Apr 27 20:35 |
| MinceR | 204650 < TakinOver_> I never said it was theft. Most likely, they delivered to the wrong address. USPS is run by bean-counters, so employees cannot take the time to do things correctly. | Apr 27 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | there's lots of open source radeon stuff coming in the next 6 months | Apr 27 20:41 |
| MinceR | afaik it is theft _in hungary_, i don't know how the USPS manages | Apr 27 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu 12.10 will probably report OpenGL 3.2, and it will have hyper-z and macrotiling | Apr 27 20:42 |
| DaemonFC | it could be that they're just dropping Catalyst support for older RadeonHDs because they don't feel it will make sense by the next Ubuntu release to even bother with it | Apr 27 20:42 |
| DaemonFC | it seems like it's a lousy time to download anything from Ubuntu | Apr 27 20:46 |
| DaemonFC | millions of people hammering their servers to get the upgrade | Apr 27 20:46 |
| scientes | formic_, well, we should have clear energy usage lables, energy star is a reasonable program | Apr 27 20:55 |
| scientes | but also needs to take into account manufacturing, which energy star does not | Apr 27 20:55 |
| scientes | and industrisal electricity cusomters should pay more | Apr 27 20:55 |
| DaemonFC | I don't really like the way systemd handles init scripts if you have some you want it to run | Apr 27 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | I know they'd like to declare them deprecated and simply move on | Apr 27 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | but they're really easy to write, tweak fix, even for someone who has no understanding of C | Apr 27 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | I think people have been spoiled by just how easy it is to tweak this stuff and we need a faster way to run script and not just replace the entire thing with C and move on | Apr 27 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | KDE does seem to handle graphics drivers that use triple buffering a lot better than Compiz does | Apr 27 21:03 |
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| DaemonFC | Compiz seems to occasionally cause old data in a buffer to be displayed instead of what should be directed to the screen | Apr 27 21:04 |
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| formic_ | scientes - the power savings didnt register on my voltage meter | Apr 27 21:12 |
| DaemonFC | Unity 5.12 is not in precise-proposed | Apr 27 21:12 |
| DaemonFC | *now | Apr 27 21:12 |
| DaemonFC | it seems to fix some nasties, including corrupting its heap through abuse of GTK | Apr 27 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Apr 27 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | maybe Qt apps just seem better because they make it hard to go off the beaten path (unless you just patch the shit out of it of course) | Apr 27 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | but KDE doesn't seem affected by Ubuntu adding its own classes to Qt, because it doesn't try using any of them | Apr 27 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | those are just there for Unity 2D | Apr 27 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | formic_, I noticed something comical the other day | Apr 27 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | Canonical got some patches into Qt's upstream | Apr 27 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | which were accepted applied and then reverted when it ended up causing issues that were more serious than they fixed | Apr 27 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | makes me wonder who is doing patch review for Qt | Apr 27 21:15 |
| formic_ | Qt isn't too interesting anymore for me | Apr 27 21:17 |
| formic_ | I've fallen in love with Go | Apr 27 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | https://launchpad.net/unity/5.0/5.12.0 | Apr 27 21:25 |
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| DaemonFC | Aurora has switched over to the Firefox 14 branch | Apr 27 21:33 |
| DaemonFC | I guess that means I can ditch Flashblock and just set Firefox's option | Apr 27 21:33 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/04/duke-energy/ - Apple uses Duke because their coal fired power plants put out cheap electricity. | Apr 27 21:48 |
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| DaemonFC | http://blogs.kde.org/node/4565 | Apr 27 22:03 |
| scientes | formic_, what do you use for graphics with go? | Apr 27 22:03 |
| scientes | enlightenment? | Apr 27 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | Canonical claims Kubuntu was a failure and then when they go to kill it off, all these people come out of the woodwork (including governments) saying they depend on it | Apr 27 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | maybe they meant to say it failed to get paying customers because it was solid enough that paid support didn't make a lot of sense | Apr 27 22:04 |
| formic_ | scientes - enlightenment what? | Apr 27 22:04 |
| scientes | enlightenment widgets | Apr 27 22:04 |
| scientes | http://enlightenment.org/ | Apr 27 22:04 |
| scientes | the toolkit that doesn't get as much press | Apr 27 22:05 |
| scientes | (as qt and gtk) | Apr 27 22:05 |
| scientes | it has software/openGL transparency | Apr 27 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | it doesn't use OpenGL at all the last time I looked into it | Apr 27 22:06 |
| scientes | yeah it does | Apr 27 22:06 |
| scientes | i just wached a talk on it | Apr 27 22:06 |
| scientes | and it will use opengl if the hardware has it | Apr 27 22:06 |
| scientes | http://enlightenment.org/p/index/d/diagram-efl-simple-small.png | Apr 27 22:06 |
| formic_ | daemonfc isnt much of an expert on anything | Apr 27 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | it was using RENDER when I tried it out a couple of years ago | Apr 27 22:07 |
| formic_ | scientes - interesting, never thought of the e17 libs | Apr 27 22:08 |
| formic_ | I was thinking gtk | Apr 27 22:08 |
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| DaemonFC | https://mollymuses.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/mormonflowchart3.png?w=535&h=3650 | Apr 27 22:13 |
| MinceR | lol | Apr 27 22:20 |
| DaemonFC | <sandeen> it'd just be a little pointless to do all that work, IMHO | Apr 27 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | <sandeen> from apples POV anyway | Apr 27 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | <sandeen> the bsd driver is GPL as welll, FWIW. | Apr 27 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | <DaemonFC> well, Apple is desperately trying to throw out anything under the GPL because god forbid they lose the ability to sue someone for a patent of theirs | Apr 27 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | <DaemonFC> I made you a cake....PS: tick tick tick....BOOM | Apr 27 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | apparently 'iCloud" runs on Linux and uses XFS internally | Apr 27 22:25 |
| DaemonFC | but Apple is trying not to make an issue of that | Apr 27 22:26 |
| formic_ | I wouldn't trust iCloud then | Apr 27 22:27 |
| formic_ | XFS is crap | Apr 27 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | I use it | Apr 27 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | it is not crap | Apr 27 22:27 |
| formic_ | exactly | Apr 27 22:27 |
| formic_ | you're a non-expert | Apr 27 22:27 |
| formic_ | im surprised they arent using ZFS | Apr 27 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | Ext4 is a horror story | Apr 27 22:28 |
| DaemonFC | 1970s file system technology with a bunch of mutually incompatible extensions tacked on after the fact | Apr 27 22:28 |
| DaemonFC | I may switch to BtrFS eventually, but I don't like the way it looks now | Apr 27 22:28 |
| formic_ | XFS is a 1990s file system | Apr 27 22:28 |
| formic_ | ZFS is a 2000s file system | Apr 27 22:29 |
| formic_ | btrfs is a 2010s file system | Apr 27 22:29 |
| DaemonFC | well, there's a couple reasons nobody uses ZFS | Apr 27 22:29 |
| DaemonFC | it's tied to inferior/nonfree operating systems | Apr 27 22:29 |
| formic_ | nope | Apr 27 22:29 |
| formic_ | debian has it :P | Apr 27 22:29 |
| DaemonFC | it requires a lot of resources | Apr 27 22:29 |
| formic_ | noob | Apr 27 22:29 |
| formic_ | it kicks a lot of ass | Apr 27 22:29 |
| DaemonFC | it misses features that XFS has | Apr 27 22:30 |
| formic_ | XFS is missing features ZFS has | Apr 27 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | of course they both miss features the other has, so if that were the only problem, you still may choose one or the other | Apr 27 22:30 |
| formic_ | like software raid | Apr 27 22:30 |
| formic_ | snapshots | Apr 27 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | ZFS doesn't have guaranteed rate I/O | Apr 27 22:30 |
| formic_ | bullshit | Apr 27 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | in fact, that's why pretty much any decent DVR uses XFS | Apr 27 22:31 |
| formic_ | ZFS operates at platter speeds | Apr 27 22:31 |
| formic_ | dumbass | Apr 27 22:31 |
| formic_ | also | Apr 27 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | it's not about speed | Apr 27 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | it's about guarantees | Apr 27 22:31 |
| formic_ | you're such a fool, FreeBSD is a free os, so is openindiana (and opensolaris) | Apr 27 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | ZFS can't make any promises regarding latency or how much bandwidth can be reserved by what | Apr 27 22:31 |
| MinceR | RAEG | Apr 27 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | FreeBSD is not free softwre | Apr 27 22:31 |
| formic_ | yes it is | Apr 27 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | or open source | Apr 27 22:32 |
| formic_ | yes it is | Apr 27 22:32 |
| formic_ | the BSD license is free | Apr 27 22:32 |
| formic_ | even according to the FSF | Apr 27 22:32 |
| DaemonFC | they inlcude nonfree drivers | Apr 27 22:32 |
| DaemonFC | not just firmware, DRIVERS | Apr 27 22:32 |
| scientes | <DaemonFC> they inlcude nonfree drivers | Apr 27 22:32 |
| DaemonFC | and they promote using more nonfree drivers that they don't ship with | Apr 27 22:32 |
| formic_ | no they dont | Apr 27 22:32 |
| scientes | completely non-free drivers | Apr 27 22:32 |
| formic_ | they include BSD licensed stuff | Apr 27 22:32 |
| DaemonFC | some of it is open source/free software | Apr 27 22:32 |
| DaemonFC | but as a whole, it's not | Apr 27 22:32 |
| formic_ | just because they dont use the GPL corp handcuffs doesn't mean its non free | Apr 27 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | in the configuration they recommend you to use it in, it is nonfree | Apr 27 22:33 |
| scientes | formic_, https://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html | Apr 27 22:33 |
| formic_ | so is ubuntu | Apr 27 22:33 |
| formic_ | you use that | Apr 27 22:33 |
| formic_ | idiot | Apr 27 22:33 |
| scientes | "BSD systems | Apr 27 22:33 |
| scientes | FreeBSD, NetBSD, and OpenBSD all include instructions for obtaining nonfree programs in their ports system. In addition, their kernels include nonfree firmware blobs. | Apr 27 22:33 |
| scientes | Nonfree firmware programs used with Linux, the kernel, are called “blobs”, and that's how we use the term. In BSD parlance, the term “blob” means something else: a nonfree driver. OpenBSD and perhaps other BSD distributions have the policy of not including those. That is the right policy, as regards drivers; but when the developers say these distributions “contain no blobs”, it causes a misunderstanding. They are not talking abou | Apr 27 22:33 |
| scientes | t firmware blobs. | Apr 27 22:33 |
| scientes | No BSD distribution has policies against proprietary binary-only firmware that might be loaded even by free drivers." | Apr 27 22:33 |
| formic_ | " all include instructions " | Apr 27 22:33 |
| formic_ | instructions! omgz | Apr 27 22:33 |
| DaemonFC | instructions are one thing | Apr 27 22:33 |
| formic_ | better burn ubuntu then | Apr 27 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | actually including it by default is another | Apr 27 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | FreeBSD is nonfree by default | Apr 27 22:34 |
| formic_ | daemonfc - you can't say anything, you run ubuntu which is non free | Apr 27 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | even before you must install more nonfree drivers to make it work | Apr 27 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | which device drivers in the Linux kernel are nonfree? | Apr 27 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | FreeBSD includes blob drivers for tons of things | Apr 27 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | like RAID and network cards | Apr 27 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | not just firmware, kernel-mode driver blobs | Apr 27 22:35 |
| formic_ | daemonfc - you're just making excuses cause ur a XFS fanboy | Apr 27 22:35 |
| formic_ | you run non free ubuntu | Apr 27 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | so calling it free and open source is a lie because it can't do much if you strip out the nonfree software | Apr 27 22:36 |
| scientes | formic_, and catalyst | Apr 27 22:36 |
| formic_ | mp3 codecs, etc | Apr 27 22:36 |
| scientes | which is one of the most pointless non-free drivers | Apr 27 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | there's a lot of free and open source MP3 codecs | Apr 27 22:36 |
| scientes | formic_, free software plays mp3s | Apr 27 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | but they're all encumbered by US patents | Apr 27 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | for the next several years anyway | Apr 27 22:36 |
| scientes | but yeah, that one is almost expired | Apr 27 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | they all seem to expire no later than the end of 2017 | Apr 27 22:37 |
| scientes | nah, more like 2005 | Apr 27 22:37 |
| scientes | *2015 | Apr 27 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | scientes, some of the encoding ones go up to 2017 | Apr 27 22:37 |
| scientes | DaemonFC, that specific one you are talking about is totally bogus | Apr 27 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.tunequest.org/a-big-list-of-mp3-patents/20070226/ | Apr 27 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of them have expired already | Apr 27 22:38 |
| formic_ | daemonfc has no problem running non free software when it suits him | Apr 27 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | but as long as one remains, the entire MP3 standard is encumbered | Apr 27 22:38 |
| formic_ | opera is another example | Apr 27 22:39 |
| formic_ | catalyst | Apr 27 22:39 |
| formic_ | stop flip flopping | Apr 27 22:39 |
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| DaemonFC | they lost two MP3 patents in January of this year | Apr 27 22:39 |
| scientes | yep | Apr 27 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | one more will expire on October 3rd that covers the error detection method it uses | Apr 27 22:40 |
| scientes | opera + catalyst show you have no inclination towards freedom | Apr 27 22:40 |
| scientes | cause free alternatives clearly exist | Apr 27 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | Catalyst is faster and implements OpenGL 4.2 and has much better power management | Apr 27 22:41 |
| DaemonFC | and occasionally, they even make a release that doesn't glitch and crash! | Apr 27 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | what more could you want? right? :) | Apr 27 22:42 |
| scientes | DaemonFC, freedom | Apr 27 22:42 |
| *scientes is waiting for UVD for radeon | Apr 27 22:43 | |
| DaemonFC | I'd have to use a lot more nonfree software, especially kernel-mode drivers, to make FreeBSD work | Apr 27 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | and it has no radeon support at all | Apr 27 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | although to be fair it doesn't support Nvidia either | Apr 27 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | you have to go out and find a blob or else it is totally unusable even with Nvidia | Apr 27 22:44 |
| formic_ | 17:39 < DaemonFC> Catalyst is faster and implements OpenGL 4.2 and has much | Apr 27 22:46 |
| formic_ | better power management | Apr 27 22:46 |
| formic_ | bam see | Apr 27 22:46 |
| formic_ | you dont care about freedom | Apr 27 22:46 |
| formic_ | whatever works for you | Apr 27 22:46 |
| formic_ | anyway, ZFS also exists on debian so your statement about ZFS only being available on non free OS's is wrong | Apr 27 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | my point is that FreeBSD is so encumbered that it doesn't even work without nonfree software | Apr 27 22:47 |
| formic_ | FreeBSD does work without nonfree software | Apr 27 22:47 |
| formic_ | I've run it on top of kvm fine with virtual hardware that has open drivers | Apr 27 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | you better hope you don't have to use raid controllers or most networking chipsets | Apr 27 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | or a GPU | Apr 27 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | they don't have enough developers to properly support anything | Apr 27 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | so they just make a binary driver ABI and encourage blobs | Apr 27 22:48 |
| formic_ | once you stop using opera and catalyst I might listen to you about non free | Apr 27 22:48 |
| formic_ | you have a tainted opinion | Apr 27 22:49 |
| formic_ | tained by non free stuff | Apr 27 22:49 |
| formic_ | l8r folks | Apr 27 22:51 |
| MinceR | his use of nonfree software doesn't turn nonfree software in FreeBSD into free software, though | Apr 27 22:53 |
| scientes | indeed MinceR | Apr 27 23:08 |
| scientes | GPL is really the only way to keep software free | Apr 27 23:08 |
| MinceR | it might well take more than just GPL | Apr 27 23:20 |
| MinceR | apparently microsoft is now starting to use proxies to get around GPLv3 | Apr 27 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | they don't need to | Apr 27 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | they can contribute patches under the MIT license or something | Apr 27 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | they did that with Samba | Apr 27 23:21 |
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| scientes | and they ripped SMB off of MIT | Apr 27 23:33 |
| scientes | while breaking it.... | Apr 27 23:33 |
| MinceR | maybe originally it was usable | Apr 27 23:34 |
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| scientes | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4456438/how-can-i-pass-the-string-null-through-wsdl-soap-from-as3-to-coldfusion-web | Apr 27 23:51 |
| scientes | aka, the framework I am using is a piece of shit | Apr 27 23:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | doubly so | Apr 27 23:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | who uses shit that old anymore | Apr 27 23:52 |
| MinceR | http://stopsoap.com/ | Apr 27 23:55 |
| scientes | MinceR, if that was ny clue, yes | Apr 27 23:59 |
| scientes | a big reason why XML gets to me | Apr 27 23:59 |
| scientes | json is so clearly superior | Apr 27 23:59 |
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