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| scientes | prurigro, we all knew it was coming | Apr 28 00:01 |
| prurigro | for sure eh-- its nice to have it in writing though :) | Apr 28 00:02 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Cyanogen..we love you. #FLOSS | Apr 28 00:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Hello mate nice to hear you even if I do not understand your mother tongue. | Apr 28 00:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Lots and lots of Find commands http://goo.gl/lTtjr | Apr 28 00:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] **Iron Sky** is an absofuckinglutely increadible film. Go watch it. Now. This is the *Star Wars* of our generation. It' http://ur1.ca/94cno | Apr 28 00:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] 17 languages to be deactivated in !Debian Installer http://ping.fm/ViyC5 | Apr 28 00:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Microsoft Office 15 to support !ODF 1.2 - The H Open Source: News and Features http://goo.gl/JhHKp | Apr 28 00:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] I know it is not Portuguese but it holds for us all... vive la difference. | Apr 28 00:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Stable kernel updates 3.0.30 and 3.3.4 http://ur1.ca/94cpz | Apr 28 00:07 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Learn Linux/Unix Find command with 60+ Practical examples Part-I | The Linux Juggernaut .::. Size~: 71.65 KB | Apr 28 00:07 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is evan from identi.ca with 51 dents! | Apr 28 00:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] RT @creativecommons Liberated Pixel Cup: proving the potential for free culture & free software game dev http://ur1.ca/94avs Donate toda ... | Apr 28 00:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Linux outlaws has an official hotel? Olympics... #marketing. | Apr 28 00:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] RT @climagic Those who give up control of their computer for convenience, will end up with neither. | Apr 28 00:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] "We need to shame companies that sell spygear to human rights-abusing regimes" says @EFF's @jilliancyork: https://eff.org/r.4ZR | Apr 28 00:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Your clock is slow :) | Apr 28 00:09 | |
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| schestowitz | [12:15] <Diablo-D3> since when did glynmoody write for techdirt | Apr 28 00:09 |
| schestowitz | about 2 months ago | Apr 28 00:09 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Pirate Party Presents ACTA Alternative to European Parliament http://ur1.ca/94cwr #acta #sopa #censorship #copyright #eu #europe | Apr 28 00:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] I know you enough to know that the second reply was not needed as it was understood. | Apr 28 00:10 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] DNSChanger to knock 350,000 users off Internet this July http://ur1.ca/94cyn #computer #security #dns | Apr 28 00:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Why will my link to desmond decker not play when it used to? | Apr 28 00:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Council of Swiss city of Bern to battle IT vendor lock-in http://ur1.ca/947y1 #europe #egovt #bern #switzerland | Apr 28 00:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] What does it mean to be open online? http://ur1.ca/91trk #kroes #eu #parliament | Apr 28 00:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] For those of us who are interested there is no information that people can move on. | Apr 28 00:12 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jankusanagi/@jankusanagi] RT @neustradamus Chatme.im Mini, a !Jabber / !XMPP group chat for your !WordPress https://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/chatmeim-mini/ | Apr 28 00:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Joint US-Russia military drills - Business Insider http://goo.gl/FwluS #usa #russia #mic #tptb | Apr 28 00:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Your favorite post this week: The day my mind became open sourced by @philshapiro | http://red.ht/HZ5Af5 | Apr 28 00:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Research analyst: Are #Disney & #NewsCorp. trying to sabotage #Hulu? http://goo.gl/cPWHJ | Apr 28 00:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] RT @cwebber Idea: to ease burden of FSF licensing team, instead of pestering FSF directly I will pass annoying license ?s to @fontana as ... | Apr 28 00:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] A close friend said to me for men; women are the end. For women men are the means.. discuss. | Apr 28 00:13 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] Broadcasting live with various Ubuntu community folks to discuss #ubuntu 12.04 - http://is.gd/z8odPv - join in and ask questions! | Apr 28 00:14 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] new server for addons.makeplaylive.com just came online. :) will open it up to the public next week. | Apr 28 00:14 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Great, thanks for asking. | Apr 28 00:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Good to know that we've got a brief reprieve before the @bkuhn hammer comes down. | Apr 28 00:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] I wonder if a new link-rel as in RFC5988 makes sense. "source" implies "the source of this data" rather than "source of generator". | Apr 28 00:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Now that I think about it, "generator" might be good enough. See http://identi.ca/url/69281237 for an example. | Apr 28 00:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] In http://identi.ca/url/69281257 we name the generator but don't give a link. | Apr 28 00:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] maybe just my ignorance but I didn't know #YouTube had a live stream facility, the slogan "broadcast yourself" shoulda been a clue though :/ | Apr 28 00:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] just watched a min or so of the #Ubuntu live Q&A with questions down the side from folks | Apr 28 00:15 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Esta Semana (2012/17) – Os Donos de Portugal e os filhotes; #CISPA aprovada;UE diz sim ao #PNR;Ubuntu, #!CB e LMDE http://goo.gl/i2No3 | Apr 28 00:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] every new #Ubuntu release, I get tempted to install for a while, I'm always let down within a short period & switch away, maybe 12.04 | Apr 28 00:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] that's why thumbdrives are handy, you can get a decent sense of it before wiping away an existing install | Apr 28 00:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Paranoia About #CISPA Is Justified - Conor Friedersdorf - Politics - The Atlantic http://goo.gl/FLry3 | Apr 28 00:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Installing #Ubuntu 12.04 LTS - Softpedia http://goo.gl/wFRmx #gnulinux #tips | Apr 28 00:17 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] I hope we are wrong. I wish we were wrong. May your partner not treat you like an employee. Who can always be replaced. | Apr 28 00:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Is open hardware creating a more open world? (isgtw) http://ur1.ca/94dhw | Apr 28 00:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] #LibreOffice fires shots across #OpenOffice bow | ITworld http://goo.gl/PeHof #floss | Apr 28 00:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] You need to ask yourself what is usual and what is usual bet less so. | Apr 28 00:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] seems the increased resources #Ubuntu 12.04 needs, means it's not even an option on a netbook, despite the UI | Apr 28 00:18 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Oh Yes Jack White is on the telly. | Apr 28 00:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] the #Koch brothers sound like the name of a gay porn double act | Apr 28 00:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] USA folk music is welcome, Spam filter required. | Apr 28 00:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] should be thanking #Tesco for helpfully pointing out all their dodgy deals, they mark em with #PriceDrop - reverse customer service | Apr 28 00:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Oooh. Timeline of FOSS use in US Gov. As Open Data, ofcourse. We should have sth like that for Europe too! cc +glyn mo... http://b1t.it/bnJr | Apr 28 00:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Daily life: April 2012 http://ur1.ca/943mi | Apr 28 00:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] The revolution will not be televised, but it will be remixed by Atari Teenage Riot http://identi.ca/url/69282769 | Apr 28 00:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] I bet I wasn't quick enough. You are fine. | Apr 28 00:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] TSA and children. Will this madness stop anytime soon? http://ur1.ca/940se | Apr 28 00:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Earth Day 2012 - The Earth and how humans are ruining it ! http://ur1.ca/90tv6 | Apr 28 00:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Here we go again. This happens every few months. Last time it was "Let's only log in XML!" Now it is "Let's only log i... http://b1t.it/bnJI | Apr 28 00:22 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] The Guardian does not put it mildly ;-) "Microsoft is accused of trying to exert clandestine influence on a UK governm... http://b1t.it/bnJL | Apr 28 00:22 | |
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| MinceR | gn | Apr 28 00:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Seems O2/Hansenet/Telefonica has a rather big oopsie in the Munich region. My DSL is dead. Thanks for that :-( | Apr 28 00:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @PawelLuty: Czy mi się wydaję, czy @mac_gov_pl/@maic z Michała "ryśka" Woźniaka zrobiło Ryszarda Woźniaka :))) http://t.co/RalljgkH | Apr 28 00:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] The different faces of fear | SHTF School http://goo.gl/dTv9Y #preppers | Apr 28 00:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] I find it mildly amusing that Canonical calls their project that effectively forks the community and creates a lock-in... http://b1t.it/bnJU | Apr 28 00:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] LibriVox » The Scarlet Plague by Jack London http://goo.gl/6b3sQ #books #preppers #dystopia | Apr 28 00:23 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Twitter / Paweł Luty: Czy mi się wydaję, czy @ma ... .::. Size~: 13.35 KB | Apr 28 00:23 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Top 12 Dystopian Novels http://goo.gl/Kagvm #books | Apr 28 00:28 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] A sound response from the UK Government. | Apr 28 00:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] How the junk food industry won the war against children. Wow, Reuters has published a scathing account of how the junk... http://b1t.it/bnJ3 | Apr 28 00:42 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Jan Wildeboer - Google+ - How the junk food industry won the war against children. … .::. Size~: 142.5 KB | Apr 28 00:42 |
| scientes | whtas a good filesystem for meta-data heavy? | Apr 28 00:44 |
| scientes | cause copying my email is REALLY slow | Apr 28 00:44 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] The Guardian does not put it mildly ;-) "Microsoft is accused of trying to exert clandestine influence on a UK governm... http://b1t.it/bnKt | Apr 28 00:47 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] What is your #Klouchebag score? Mine is "7, or 'a nice person'." http://ur1.ca/94e5x :-) via +Steven V... http://b1t.it/bnKz | Apr 28 00:57 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Klouchebag | The Standard for Asshattery .::. Size~: 19.83 KB | Apr 28 00:57 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Reality Check: The Truth About Delegate Numbers In Iowa and Minnesota - YouTube http://goo.gl/0eQu5 #ronpaul | Apr 28 01:02 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Loving this. http://ur1.ca/94e72 | Apr 28 01:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] I remember you. | Apr 28 01:07 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] You are still on about Entish? | Apr 28 01:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Sleep tight. | Apr 28 01:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Just when you thought it couldn't get worse. IP-Maximalism strikes again. Using already existing laws. http://www.tech... http://b1t.it/bnKF | Apr 28 01:18 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] AppliedMicro launches first 64-bit ARM server chip | bit-tech.net http://goo.gl/n0jXa | Apr 28 01:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] At 92, Movie Bootlegger Is Soldiers’ Hero - NYTimes.com http://goo.gl/KkGeJ lol what the #mafiaa will do? | Apr 28 01:18 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] The House passed #CISPA but the fight is just starting in the Senate. Use our tool to tweet your Senators. https://eff.org/r.1X2 | Apr 28 01:20 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Reason # 3,438 that I love the internet:Darth Vader In A Kilt On A Unicycle Playing Bagpipes #whatisthisidonteven | Apr 28 01:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] #Zionism and Anti-Semitism http://goo.gl/mVgAF | Apr 28 01:30 | |
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| scientes | http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3og92m/ | Apr 28 01:32 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Privacy. Canada. Scandal. http://ur1.ca/94b99 | Apr 28 01:38 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Zellers plans to sell Canadians' prescription records | Sympatico.ca News .::. Size~: 242.68 KB | Apr 28 01:39 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Bed time. Exhausted. | Apr 28 01:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] A night at the Warsaw Hackerspace; after watching *Iron Sky* - *Fightclub*, *Monty Python's Flying Circus*, a dash of * http://ur1.ca/94eev | Apr 28 01:48 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Listen to @eff's @RaineyReitman on why #CISPA is a civil liberties nightmare: https://eff.org/r.3ZS | Apr 28 01:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Why PHP is so utterly broken. The problem is that someone wants to send something as a string via JSON and PHP automag... http://b1t.it/bnK7 | Apr 28 01:57 | |
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| XFaCE | formic_: hi | Apr 28 02:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] 92 year old pirates movies like hell, sends them to US troops at the frontlines. Hm. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/27... http://b1t.it/bnLc | Apr 28 02:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] RT @ioerror Syrian Telecom Ericsson (STE) Syrian Telecom Microelectronics http://ur1.ca/94f8o #surveillance #GreedKills #EricsSonOfA | Apr 28 02:28 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Okay, me gusta. I feel a bit like on #28C3, hacking around at 4AM with fellow geeks. go, @hackerspacepl! | Apr 28 03:10 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Vizită la Alexandria, 27 aprilie 2012 http://ur1.ca/94fvu #romania #royal #monarchy #rege | Apr 28 03:40 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] How Google's Drive helps kill Microsoft's Office http://ur1.ca/94g2o #microsoft #office #google #business | Apr 28 03:55 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Rezistenţa Naţională la 22 de ani de la începutul manifestaţiei anticomuniste din Piaţa Universităţii http://ur1.ca/94g4z #romania | Apr 28 04:03 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Dianne Abbott... A person I would trust as much as Tony Blair. | Apr 28 04:07 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Microsoft Office 15 to support ODF 1.2 http://ur1.ca/94ga8 #microsoft #office #odf #opendocument #libreoffice #openoffice | Apr 28 04:29 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] !sr #Silenced majakkala UID711088 for group spam. | Apr 28 04:34 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] !sr #Silenced jawadonfx UID709936 "forex" spammer. | Apr 28 04:37 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jankusanagi/@jankusanagi] @evan sweet irony :D | Apr 28 05:15 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] How #Microsoft Pays Big Money To #Smear #Google In European Parliament http://is.gd/ziICX8 #Gangsters | Apr 28 05:55 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] Could #Linux still usurp Windows Phone as Nokia’s saviour? http://is.gd/JqD7fa #Nokia | Apr 28 05:59 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] !sr #silenced jikakkam UID711254 group spammer. Also clifford31a UID711253 link spammer. | Apr 28 06:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] While I'm at it, let me publicly thank the Ubuntu ARM team for their hard work in making the v7 "hard float" ABI defau... http://b1t.it/bnMx | Apr 28 06:07 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @tregeagle Publisher makes entire catalogue DRM free: http://ur1.ca/947aq | Apr 28 06:50 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] #Microsoft tried to get #Facebook to buy #Bing http://is.gd/dvx9H9 Bing! so good, not even it's creator wants it! | Apr 28 06:59 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Sometimes I try to "Pin" something on #Pinterest, instead of "pinning" it bounces back to Pinterest. Is this a #DRM thing like #norobots ? | Apr 28 08:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] The reason I ask, is that I tried to pin the Guardian article about TOR going DRM free ... http://ur1.ca/947aq Ironic if the Guardian is DRM | Apr 28 08:27 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] !tzag and good morning @theru | Apr 28 08:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fsmag/@fsmag] The most heated fork in free software: Nagios and Icinga! http://fsmsh.com/3643 Join interview with two opposing parties! | Apr 28 09:00 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Cult Mentality at #Microsoft and Its Allies http://ur1.ca/94i0k staff speaks out | Apr 28 09:19 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] In Apple-Microsoft Attack on Android, Motorola Strikes Back and Wins http://ur1.ca/94i3d #motorola #swpats #linux | Apr 28 09:35 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] #CISPA and Google? Not what you expect: "Google has been “supportive” of his Cyber Intelligence S... http://thehil... http://b1t.it/bnOx | Apr 28 09:37 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The Decline of Apple and Microsoft in Phones http://ur1.ca/94i5k #apple #microsoft #android #linux #elop #mosaid | Apr 28 09:49 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] How #SOPA protests were used to push #CISPA - http://zd.net/Iz6IBe important lessons to be learned | Apr 28 10:30 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] EU Liberals To Vote Against #ACTA; Conservatives Want To 'Fix' It - http://bit.ly/JAwYNl it's been signed: you can't "fix" it | Apr 28 10:32 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] US Music Pirates Face New $150,000 Damages Claims - http://bit.ly/IZ3rwT absurdly disproportionate | Apr 28 10:40 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Daily Mail & Labour teaming up to show their digital illiteracy on porn and child protection is simply dangerous - http://bit.ly/JOZz3A yup | Apr 28 10:42 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] In a world of intransparency and lobbying behind closed doors, democracy cannot survive. #justsayin | Apr 28 10:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Bilateral Investment Treaties that gave away the store - http://bit.ly/Kk7kvI here's a house of cards waiting to come crashing down... | Apr 28 10:49 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[dyfet/@dyfet] RT @rms A Nation Of Informers http://ur1.ca/94ifa | Apr 28 11:15 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @jwildeboer In a world of intransparency and lobbying behind closed doors, democracy cannot survive. #justsayin | Apr 28 11:29 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1552537 | Apr 28 11:46 |
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| schestowitz | "mine is'nt yet...... " | Apr 28 11:46 |
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| schestowitz | "Why the Microsoft tag? Largo, Florida is famous for having moved to gnu/linux a decade ago and I think they have ever seen Microsoft Office. The mentioned word processor history was Word Perfect, Open Office, Libre Office. I'm not as surprised as the author is that things still work. Word Perfect was consistent, if not free software and I carried their documents from the late 80s through several versions and finally to Kword ten years | Apr 28 11:50 |
| schestowitz | ago. Open Office and Libre Office might have done better at opening them, but I have not looked back in a while." https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1554338# | Apr 28 11:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a Diaspora post? | Apr 28 11:50 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Six reasons the Interception of Communications Commissioner has failed - http://bit.ly/IA5J4x #RIPA is a disgrace (v @JackofKent) | Apr 28 11:50 | |
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| schestowitz | "No, jargon, the fight is over and the internet won the cognitive surplus of young people. As long as we don't let big publishers ruin the internet, this is wonderful. Broadcast was toxic and acid paper publishing was not much better." https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1553194 | Apr 28 11:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a Diaspora post? | Apr 28 11:51 |
| schestowitz | I do agree with you on that, but "legislation" like SOPA/CISPA et al are going to eventually put these things under much more draconian government control. | Apr 28 11:53 |
| schestowitz | I don't think SOPA/CISPA are going to go away. They pulled off people signing away their rights with the Patriot Act, DHS, TSA, wiretapping, dronestriking American citizens. Bit by bit the dystopian future draws nearer. And when it's here, it is the nails who stick out that will get hit first. "Back talk" will become illegal in the very near future. People will go to prison or even face government-sanctioned execution for expressing an | Apr 28 11:53 |
| schestowitz | opinion deemed "threatening to national security". Who owns the ISPs? Corporations. Not the Center for Media and Democracy, Wikipedia or GNU. | Apr 28 11:53 |
| schestowitz | source: https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1553194# | Apr 28 11:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a Diaspora post? | Apr 28 11:53 |
| schestowitz | "The hive is buzzing with back talk, even in the censored places like Twitter and Facebook. That alone is an improvement over broadcast but it's better to look at sites like Center for Media and Democracy, Wikipedia and GNU, where people with the inclination can meet and work with others from around the world. Each tiny fraction of cognitive surplus is enormously powerful. See http://www.boingboing.net/2008/04/27/death-of-the-sitcom. | Apr 28 11:54 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2008/04/27/death-of-the-sitcom.html | Apr 28 11:54 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @rms CISPA Is Beyond Cybersecurity http://ur1.ca/94irn | Apr 28 11:55 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Statikberechnung für Hochbett abgeschlossen. Wird eine elegante Konstruktion mit 12x6cm Balken. H... | Apr 28 11:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Buried treasure in Burma: Squadron of lost WWII #Spitfires to be exhumed - http://fxn.ws/IbL8mF amazing story (v @slashdot) #boysown | Apr 28 11:57 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Buried treasure in Burma: Squadron of lost WWII Spitfires to be exhumed | Fox News .::. Size~: 55.45 KB | Apr 28 11:57 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Hotmail and MSN password reset security vulnerability, Microsoft has yet to fix http://identi.ca/url/69269217 | Apr 28 11:59 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @laineyg: Done and dusted... all installed and working fine.... thank you very much!! I am now a Linux user!!! WOOHOO!! | Apr 28 12:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @jwildeboer: In a world of intransparency and lobbying behind closed doors, democracy cannot survive. #justsayin | Apr 28 12:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Thoughts on Privacy on the Web http://ur1.ca/94itt #privacy | Apr 28 12:04 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Keeping Web-based Software Updated http://ur1.ca/94iuc #wordpress #security #cms | Apr 28 12:05 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The 16 Linux Shell Commands Every Desktop Linux User Should Know http://ur1.ca/93xhr #linux | Apr 28 12:09 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Ubuntu 12.04 arrives and it's great http://ur1.ca/94ivl the assessment from sjvn | Apr 28 12:10 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Ubuntu 12.04 arrives and it's great | ZDNet .::. Size~: 284.13 KB | Apr 28 12:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Sen. Harry Reid: The Postal Service Must Be Saved Because 'Seniors Love Junk Mail' http://goo.gl/dUpq9 | Apr 28 12:14 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Sen. Harry Reid: The Postal Service Must Be Saved Because 'Seniors Love Junk Mail' | Techdirt .::. Size~: 82.85 KB | Apr 28 12:14 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Beta of Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6.3 http://ur1.ca/94iw5 #redhat #linux | Apr 28 12:15 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Deploy your own "cloud" with Debian "Wheezy" http://ur1.ca/93k5q #debian #gnu #linux #fogcomputing | Apr 28 12:17 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Review: Linux Mint MATE 201204 http://ur1.ca/94ix0 #linuxmint #gnu #linux | Apr 28 12:20 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @kyrah404: Whoa... Skype leaks your IP address when you're logged in. Check this out: http://t.co/pTpfz3VE | Apr 28 12:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] "Marcin, reloaded" ♻ @dekaminski: Changed my Twitter avatar today, let's see when Internet reloads. | Apr 28 12:22 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Choosing the Best Linux Distro For A Web Server http://ur1.ca/94ixf #gnu #linux #centos | Apr 28 12:24 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Patent Office Exploring Keeping Patents Secret If They're 'Economically Significant' http://goo.gl/cfhXQ #WTF? | Apr 28 12:24 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Nielsen: Women more likely to visit a social networking site while watching TV http://goo.gl/NcGz1 | Apr 28 12:27 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] What do you mean, "until". ♻ @kyrah404: Uhm, guys... I guess you should all stop using Skype until this is fixed. Srsly. | Apr 28 12:37 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Get ready for exciting changes coming to Firefox 13, 14 and 15 http://ur1.ca/94j0n #mozilla #firefox | Apr 28 12:40 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] if public opinion & the facts are on your side, why lie to the public & exclude them from negotiations? #ACTA #PIPA #SOPA | Apr 28 12:44 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] surely #ACTA #PIPA #SOPA negotiations would be preaching to the converted if the public & reality were on your side | Apr 28 12:44 | |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/93161293 | Apr 28 12:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Dr. Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Saturday, 28-Apr-12 11:18:23 UTC - Identi.ca: SliTaz 4.0: light and stable http://ur1.ca/94ixa #gnu #linux | Apr 28 12:59 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/93161239 | Apr 28 13:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Dr. Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Saturday, 28-Apr-12 11:13:21 UTC - Identi.ca: Linux Mint Debian Edition 201204 - Gnome and Xfce http://ur1.ca/94iwi #debian #gnu #linux | Apr 28 13:00 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Valve's Gabe Newell Talks Linux Steam Client, Source Engine http://ur1.ca/93d1s http://ur1.ca/94j3d #steam #linux | Apr 28 13:00 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] WollMux, Munich Administration document templating and form management tool potentially very useful: bit.ly/Iy6I7X !fs | Apr 28 13:02 | |
| oiaohm | Really steam on Linux is to try to stop the competitor to steam getting a foot hold. | Apr 28 13:03 |
| Omega | The sad thing is that a lot of people see this as a positive occurance. | Apr 28 13:05 |
| oiaohm | Really it still positive | Apr 28 13:06 |
| Omega | I wouldn't call having a platform filled with DRM-loaded proprietary games positive. | Apr 28 13:07 |
| oiaohm | desura | Apr 28 13:07 |
| oiaohm | Was coming any how. | Apr 28 13:08 |
| cubezzz | well you just have to get source code before they add the DRM part :) | Apr 28 13:08 |
| Omega | I was talking about steam. | Apr 28 13:08 |
| Omega | desura is the lesser of two evils | Apr 28 13:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Rupert #Murdoch may be a monster but David #Cameron and co are far worse http://gu.com/p/377f6 | Apr 28 13:09 | |
| cubezzz | oh btw... I just came across something interesting about Kildall | Apr 28 13:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Rupert Murdoch may be a monster but David Cameron and co are far worse | Marina Hyde | Comment is free | The Guardian .::. Size~: 244.67 KB | Apr 28 13:09 |
| Omega | but proprietary software (the games) should be heavily criticized. | Apr 28 13:09 |
| cubezzz | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/07/30/msdos_paternity_suit_resolved/ | Apr 28 13:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: MS-DOS paternity suit settled • The Register .::. Size~: 26.6 KB | Apr 28 13:09 |
| cubezzz | defamation suit by Paterson dismissed! | Apr 28 13:10 |
| oiaohm | Omega: reality closed source games and software will be around for many years yet. | Apr 28 13:12 |
| oiaohm | Omega: the models for producing particular content types in FOSS have not be well produced yet. | Apr 28 13:13 |
| cubezzz | there are some open source games though | Apr 28 13:13 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: there are still quality issues with having enough funding so artists can spend enough time on finer details. | Apr 28 13:13 |
| oiaohm | Yes we do have somewhere to start from. | Apr 28 13:14 |
| oiaohm | But its working now to get from there to award winning. | Apr 28 13:14 |
| cubezzz | not every game is a graphical behemoth | Apr 28 13:15 |
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| oiaohm | cubezzz: even if you game is not a graphical behemoth a pixel here or there still can make a big difference. | Apr 28 13:16 |
| cubezzz | it would be nice if old games got open sourced though | Apr 28 13:16 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, if it's just a pixel here and there then one programmer can do that :) | Apr 28 13:16 |
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| oiaohm | cubezzz: again its about spending the time to polish them off. Most programmers just move on to the next problem. | Apr 28 13:18 |
| cubezzz | that's true of open or closed games | Apr 28 13:18 |
| cubezzz | stuff gets orphaned a lot | Apr 28 13:19 |
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| oiaohm | Really closed games spend a little longer checking the artwork | Apr 28 13:19 |
| oiaohm | It does show. | Apr 28 13:19 |
| cubezzz | krubik disappeared, I'm not even sure what happened to the source code for that | Apr 28 13:19 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: that was the kde rubix cube right. | Apr 28 13:20 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, yes | Apr 28 13:20 |
| cubezzz | some KDE stuff has dissappeared | Apr 28 13:20 |
| oiaohm | Sued | Apr 28 13:20 |
| oiaohm | Lot of rubik games disappeared closed and open same reason. | Apr 28 13:21 |
| cubezzz | took me a while just to track down all the 3.4.2 KDE stuff | Apr 28 13:21 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, ha | Apr 28 13:21 |
| cubezzz | I have some rubik's cube programs on my site, but there was a while that people were getting harassed | Apr 28 13:22 |
| oiaohm | But its not dead. | Apr 28 13:22 |
| cubezzz | hmmm? | Apr 28 13:22 |
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| cubezzz | I remember one guy changed his program name to "Hungarian Hexahedron" ;-) | Apr 28 13:22 |
| cubezzz | I think that's still around | Apr 28 13:23 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: Kubrick | Apr 28 13:23 |
| oiaohm | Name changed. | Apr 28 13:23 |
| cubezzz | oh | Apr 28 13:24 |
| cubezzz | so it is | Apr 28 13:24 |
| oiaohm | Basically they cannot use the name rubik | Apr 28 13:24 |
| oiaohm | Lot of games with rubik in name are gone. | Apr 28 13:25 |
| cubezzz | will that run on KDE 3.5.10 ? | Apr 28 13:25 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: I cannot remember where the name change is. | Apr 28 13:26 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, how long has it been called kubrick? | Apr 28 13:26 |
| Omega | < oiaohm> Really closed games spend a little longer checking the artwork | Apr 28 13:26 |
| oiaohm | For at least all the time of KDE 4.0 | Apr 28 13:26 |
| Omega | I don't think that spending more time on artwork is related to if the game is open or closed. | Apr 28 13:26 |
| cubezzz | blah | Apr 28 13:26 |
| cubezzz | I won't be able to compile that :-/ | Apr 28 13:26 |
| Omega | They are a matter of the available resources. | Apr 28 13:27 |
| cubezzz | well, that explains why I couldn't find krubik | Apr 28 13:27 |
| oiaohm | Omega: that is the thing. Closed source games current get more resources to spend on the artwork in most cases. | Apr 28 13:27 |
| oiaohm | Omega: Now its working out a funding model so the open source games get equal or more resources for it. | Apr 28 13:28 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, also there's a lot of buggy closed source games | Apr 28 13:28 |
| cubezzz | it's not like closed source means perfect quality :) | Apr 28 13:29 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: true | Apr 28 13:29 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: engines of closed source games have a habit of being more buggy than open source games. | Apr 28 13:29 |
| Omega | oiaohm: I think most indie developers whether developing an open game or a closed game has that problem. | Apr 28 13:30 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: Yet most people go for looks not internal quality. | Apr 28 13:30 |
| Omega | It is a problem of capitalism. | Apr 28 13:30 |
| cubezzz | a lot of the time they are porting to Linux | Apr 28 13:30 |
| Omega | Those with the resources have an unequal advantage. | Apr 28 13:30 |
| cubezzz | sometimes the bugs are fixed in the port, sometimes not | Apr 28 13:30 |
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| oiaohm | Omega: Lot of markets FOSS has worked out models that work. | Apr 28 13:31 |
| oiaohm | Omega: just some markets that has not been solved yet. | Apr 28 13:31 |
| oiaohm | Understanding the weaknesses in FOSS funding systems and working out a solution is the long term way forwards. | Apr 28 13:33 |
| cubezzz | just charge more money and you give the people who want it the source code | Apr 28 13:33 |
| cubezzz | everyone's happy.... sort of :) | Apr 28 13:33 |
| oiaohm | The thing is redhat can sell support. | Apr 28 13:34 |
| oiaohm | That works for high end commerical. | Apr 28 13:35 |
| oiaohm | Games people don't kinda want to pay for support. | Apr 28 13:35 |
| cubezzz | damn, no kubrick in KDE 3.5 | Apr 28 13:35 |
| oiaohm | In lots of cases. | Apr 28 13:35 |
| oiaohm | Server subscriptions maybe for online games. | Apr 28 13:35 |
| oiaohm | But not everyone wants online games. | Apr 28 13:35 |
| oiaohm | See this is where the problem of where will the money come from. | Apr 28 13:36 |
| oiaohm | Starts. | Apr 28 13:36 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: there is gnubik as well that is gtk based. | Apr 28 13:36 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, gnubik is awful | Apr 28 13:37 |
| cubezzz | I've never got it to work | Apr 28 13:37 |
| oiaohm | pybik? | Apr 28 13:37 |
| cubezzz | hmmm, don't know what that needs | Apr 28 13:41 |
| cubezzz | I don't remember people having problems with the rubik name in the Amiga era | Apr 28 13:42 |
| cubezzz | ah, ok python | Apr 28 13:42 |
| cubezzz | guess I'll check it out | Apr 28 13:42 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: its a recent thing. | Apr 28 13:43 |
| cubezzz | really? | Apr 28 13:43 |
| cubezzz | the name thing you mean? | Apr 28 13:43 |
| oiaohm | yep. | Apr 28 13:43 |
| oiaohm | Name thing its only recent | Apr 28 13:43 |
| oiaohm | The company behind rubik production did not worry about software. | Apr 28 13:43 |
| cubezzz | I've had rubik programs on my web page since 1996 | Apr 28 13:43 |
| Omega | cubezzz: I do not see it as a funding problem per se, I think we need to nurture the free culture community more. | Apr 28 13:44 |
| oiaohm | About the time of KDE 4.0 did they start being a pain about it. | Apr 28 13:44 |
| cubezzz | ah I see | Apr 28 13:44 |
| oiaohm | Omega: its a funding problem. | Apr 28 13:44 |
| Omega | Oops | Apr 28 13:44 |
| Omega | I meant oiaohm* | Apr 28 13:45 |
| oiaohm | Omega: artists and people doing free culture still have to eat. | Apr 28 13:45 |
| oiaohm | Basically part of nurture free culture community is working out how to fund it. | Apr 28 13:46 |
| cubezzz | I seem to remember there was a problem using the rubik name a while back | Apr 28 13:46 |
| Omega | You misunderstand, I mean that I don't think that within capitalism we can ever avoid this. It's not a problem of getting money to people. | Apr 28 13:46 |
| cubezzz | but I never renamed my programs :) | Apr 28 13:46 |
| Omega | (It's not simply a problem of getting money to people*) | Apr 28 13:47 |
| oiaohm | Omega: If you go without capitalism people don't have have good motiviation all the time. | Apr 28 13:47 |
| Omega | Well, you'd be surprised actually. | Apr 28 13:47 |
| oiaohm | Omega: Really to say there have been a lot of attempt to avoid capitalism all end up in capitalism models in the end. | Apr 28 13:48 |
| Omega | I think you are talking about markets though. | Apr 28 13:48 |
| oiaohm | Omega: most FOSS does work very well with capitalism. | Apr 28 13:48 |
| Omega | Capitalism is not the same as markets. | Apr 28 13:48 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, here's another one that still uses the name: | Apr 28 13:48 |
| cubezzz | http://rubiksim.sourceforge.net/ | Apr 28 13:48 |
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| oiaohm | Omega: games and making money is a problem. | Apr 28 13:49 |
| Omega | oiaohm: Free software is inherently anticapitalistic | Apr 28 13:50 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: Question is how long. | Apr 28 13:50 |
| Omega | It's all about sharing | Apr 28 13:50 |
| oiaohm | Omega: wrong. | Apr 28 13:50 |
| Omega | Let me elaborate. | Apr 28 13:50 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, since 2003 for that one | Apr 28 13:50 |
| cubezzz | or last updated in 2003 | Apr 28 13:50 |
| oiaohm | Free Software most development is highly capitalistic | Apr 28 13:50 |
| Omega | Free software is anti-propertarian and therefor anti-capitalistic. | Apr 28 13:50 |
| oiaohm | Omega: wrong. | Apr 28 13:50 |
| Omega | No. | Apr 28 13:50 |
| Omega | That's really what it is. | Apr 28 13:50 |
| oiaohm | Anti-propertarian does not equal anti-capitalistic | Apr 28 13:51 |
| Omega | Yes | Apr 28 13:51 |
| Omega | Capitalism is propertarian | Apr 28 13:51 |
| cubezzz | Omega, you can charge money for open source programs if you want, it's not forbidden | Apr 28 13:51 |
| Omega | *by definition* | Apr 28 13:51 |
| oiaohm | Redhat is a capitalism company. | Apr 28 13:51 |
| Omega | that has nothing to do with propertarianism | Apr 28 13:51 |
| Omega | oiaohm: yes | Apr 28 13:51 |
| oiaohm | They are major foss. | Apr 28 13:51 |
| Omega | capitalism is not the same as markets | Apr 28 13:51 |
| oiaohm | Same with google and many others. | Apr 28 13:51 |
| Omega | oiaohm: So? | Apr 28 13:51 |
| oiaohm | Those companies fund FOSS development because they are using FOSS to support the way they make money. | Apr 28 13:52 |
| Omega | Yes | Apr 28 13:52 |
| oiaohm | Most of FOSS is like this. | Apr 28 13:52 |
| oiaohm | Money is being made that pays the coders | Apr 28 13:52 |
| oiaohm | Or artists or so on. | Apr 28 13:52 |
| Omega | when you say redhat is capitalistic | Apr 28 13:52 |
| Omega | it's capitalistic if it's not a coop basically | Apr 28 13:53 |
| Omega | so most companies are capitalist | Apr 28 13:53 |
| Omega | irrelevant to what they do | Apr 28 13:53 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, plus you can use FOSS tools to generate something like a CD cover and sell it | Apr 28 13:53 |
| cubezzz | which I've done | Apr 28 13:53 |
| oiaohm | Omega: problem is capitalistic can coop when its to there profit making advantage. | Apr 28 13:53 |
| Omega | oiaohm: and you forget that we are living in a capitalist society, there is almost no way around it | Apr 28 13:53 |
| Omega | but free software is anti-propertarian | Apr 28 13:54 |
| oiaohm | FOSS has done better in capitalist societies than non. | Apr 28 13:54 |
| Omega | What are you comparing it with? | Apr 28 13:54 |
| Omega | The whole world is basically capitalist. | Apr 28 13:54 |
| oiaohm | Propertarian is bad for capitalistic companies as well. | Apr 28 13:54 |
| oiaohm | Its callled vendor lock in. | Apr 28 13:55 |
| Omega | capitalism IS propertarian | Apr 28 13:55 |
| oiaohm | No its not. | Apr 28 13:55 |
| Omega | Yes | Apr 28 13:55 |
| Omega | By definition! | Apr 28 13:55 |
| oiaohm | Not be definition at all. | Apr 28 13:55 |
| Omega | What is capitalism? | Apr 28 13:55 |
| oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism | Apr 28 13:57 |
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| Omega | > that favors private ownership | Apr 28 13:57 |
| oiaohm | Omega: Even in FOSS you still own the source code you submit. | Apr 28 13:57 |
| Omega | propertarianism | Apr 28 13:57 |
| oiaohm | That is your problem. | Apr 28 13:57 |
| Omega | oiaohm: Not inherently | Apr 28 13:57 |
| oiaohm | propertarianism means something extra. | Apr 28 13:57 |
| Omega | >_> | Apr 28 13:58 |
| Omega | This is getting pointless | Apr 28 13:58 |
| oiaohm | You can have private ownership without being propertarianism | Apr 28 13:58 |
| Omega | You are making claims without supporting them. | Apr 28 13:58 |
| Omega | EXACTLY | Apr 28 13:58 |
| oiaohm | propertarianism is keeping secrets. | Apr 28 13:58 |
| Omega | private ownership of PERSONAL property | Apr 28 13:58 |
| oiaohm | You don't tell people how you made your AXE or so on. | Apr 28 13:58 |
| oiaohm | That is propertarianism | Apr 28 13:58 |
| Omega | Really, it seems like you don't know what the terms I am using mean and you are acting like you do. | Apr 28 13:59 |
| oiaohm | Private ownership of the code you submit to a open source project exists. | Apr 28 13:59 |
| oiaohm | You can reuse that in another open source project under a different license or even in a closed source work. | Apr 28 14:00 |
| Omega | You are thinking under a capitalist frameset. | Apr 28 14:00 |
| Omega | If I submit my code somewhere | Apr 28 14:00 |
| Omega | under free software | Apr 28 14:00 |
| Omega | I do not get to tell them what they do with my code (modify, share) | Apr 28 14:01 |
| oiaohm | Also under GPL if you extend the program and give it to no one else you never have to release the source code. | Apr 28 14:01 |
| oiaohm | So your private alterations are yours. | Apr 28 14:01 |
| Omega | yes | Apr 28 14:01 |
| Omega | that is true | Apr 28 14:01 |
| Omega | if I build a secret lair, no one will know about it | Apr 28 14:01 |
| Omega | that is irrelevant | Apr 28 14:01 |
| oiaohm | So FOSS still has some private owner ship. | Apr 28 14:01 |
| Omega | no | Apr 28 14:01 |
| Omega | well, sure | Apr 28 14:01 |
| oiaohm | Your private extentions are yours. | Apr 28 14:01 |
| Omega | that is not propertarianism though | Apr 28 14:02 |
| oiaohm | Your private stores are uses. | Apr 28 14:02 |
| Omega | but some FOSS is propertarian | Apr 28 14:02 |
| oiaohm | Its still capalist to be allowed your own private ownership. | Apr 28 14:02 |
| Omega | some of the more restrictive foss licenses | Apr 28 14:02 |
| Omega | oiaohm: No | Apr 28 14:02 |
| oiaohm | Capalist does not have to equal keeping secrets. | Apr 28 14:02 |
| Omega | oiaohm: capitalism is about the private ownership of the means of production | Apr 28 14:03 |
| Omega | as in, you can still have your own toothbrush | Apr 28 14:03 |
| oiaohm | So my extentions for internal usages | Apr 28 14:03 |
| Omega | because it's personal property | Apr 28 14:03 |
| oiaohm | Of a company. | Apr 28 14:03 |
| oiaohm | are not production? | Apr 28 14:03 |
| Omega | a company is capitalist | Apr 28 14:03 |
| Omega | (well, a non-coop company) | Apr 28 14:04 |
| oiaohm | could be a goverment does not mater. | Apr 28 14:04 |
| Omega | exactly, does not matter | Apr 28 14:04 |
| Omega | still capitalist | Apr 28 14:04 |
| oiaohm | The key difference is FOSS says basically you give the program to someone else you give them the right to change it. | Apr 28 14:04 |
| oiaohm | When you buy a physical ax | Apr 28 14:04 |
| oiaohm | You by default get the right to change it. | Apr 28 14:05 |
| oiaohm | Same with any other physical item you buy in capitalist markets you have the right to change it. | Apr 28 14:05 |
| Omega | yes, because ownership is defined by usage | Apr 28 14:05 |
| Omega | the one who uses it gets to decide if they want to change it | Apr 28 14:05 |
| Omega | that is not the case in capitalism | Apr 28 14:05 |
| Omega | for example you get things like absentee landlordism | Apr 28 14:06 |
| oiaohm | Capitalism does not rule either way. | Apr 28 14:06 |
| Omega | Huh? What do you mean? | Apr 28 14:06 |
| oiaohm | propertarianism does clearly rule. Ie user does is not allowed to change there stuff. | Apr 28 14:06 |
| Omega | I don't know what you mean with 'rule' | Apr 28 14:07 |
| oiaohm | Capitalism a person can get the right to change what they have or they might not. | Apr 28 14:07 |
| oiaohm | propertarianism takes away your right to change ie rule/defined. | Apr 28 14:07 |
| oiaohm | Capitalism is a far more open term than propertarianism | Apr 28 14:08 |
| Omega | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propertarianism#In_relation_to_copyright_laws | Apr 28 14:08 |
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| Omega | Really capitalism is propertarian, I'm not making this up. | Apr 28 14:08 |
| oiaohm | I have issues with propertarianism | Apr 28 14:08 |
| oiaohm | A section of capitalism is propertarianism but not all of it. | Apr 28 14:09 |
| Omega | In capitalism you have private property, that means it is propertarian. | Apr 28 14:09 |
| Omega | In all of capitalism you have private property. | Apr 28 14:09 |
| oiaohm | Omega: there is a problem | Apr 28 14:11 |
| oiaohm | What about those who beleive in restrained private property rights. | Apr 28 14:11 |
| oiaohm | propertarian is for those who want strict private propritty. non-propertarian are for those against private property. The problem is there is no term for the middle ground. | Apr 28 14:12 |
| oiaohm | Where FOSS sits. | Apr 28 14:12 |
| oiaohm | Lots of capitalism also sits in the grey between the two extreams. | Apr 28 14:13 |
| Omega | < oiaohm> What about those who beleive in restrained private property rights. | Apr 28 14:13 |
| Omega | also propertarians | Apr 28 14:13 |
| Omega | for example, there are many types of capitalism, from free market capitalisn to neoliberal capitalism | Apr 28 14:14 |
| Omega | but they are all capitalism | Apr 28 14:14 |
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| oiaohm | Omega: In fact no. | Apr 28 14:14 |
| Omega | Elaborate. | Apr 28 14:15 |
| oiaohm | Omega: if you dig up defines of propertarians if you are anti private property rights in any way you become non-propertarian. | Apr 28 14:15 |
| oiaohm | So people wanting restricted form are both. | Apr 28 14:15 |
| Omega | Think of it this way | Apr 28 14:16 |
| oiaohm | Ie propertarians and non-propertarian at the same time. | Apr 28 14:16 |
| Omega | propertarianism is a category | Apr 28 14:16 |
| Omega | of all streams that employ private property | Apr 28 14:16 |
| oiaohm | Because they are anti-something | Apr 28 14:16 |
| Omega | under it is for example capitalism | Apr 28 14:16 |
| oiaohm | Can capitalism exist without private properity. | Apr 28 14:17 |
| Omega | No | Apr 28 14:17 |
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| oiaohm | Omega: the answer as in fact yet. | Apr 28 14:17 |
| oiaohm | yes | Apr 28 14:17 |
| Omega | oiaohm: if you don't have private property it's not capitalism | Apr 28 14:18 |
| oiaohm | Capitalism favors private ownership | Apr 28 14:18 |
| oiaohm | Does not require it to exist. | Apr 28 14:18 |
| Omega | With that they mean "you can make a commune but you still have to buy the ground" | Apr 28 14:18 |
| oiaohm | You can still trade time and effort in Capitalism ways without trading propertity. | Apr 28 14:19 |
| oiaohm | So private ownership does not have to exist for capitalism to be going on. | Apr 28 14:20 |
| Omega | you have described a market | Apr 28 14:21 |
| oiaohm | Capitalism is a very broad term covering lots of things. | Apr 28 14:21 |
| Omega | capitalism is not the same as a market | Apr 28 14:21 |
| oiaohm | Capitalism is based on the ideas of markets. | Apr 28 14:21 |
| Omega | in capitalism you DO have the institution of private property | Apr 28 14:21 |
| Omega | that is what _defines_ capitalism | Apr 28 14:21 |
| Omega | you do buy and sell ground | Apr 28 14:21 |
| Omega | you do own a factory with workers | Apr 28 14:21 |
| oiaohm | In fact no. | Apr 28 14:21 |
| Omega | all those things are things that is possible in capitalism | Apr 28 14:22 |
| Omega | capitalism means that your boss can hire you and you don't own parts of what you create | Apr 28 14:23 |
| Omega | so for example if you make a software project, your boss owns it instead of you | Apr 28 14:23 |
| Omega | even though you made it | Apr 28 14:24 |
| oiaohm | Now you are getting to a correct define. | Apr 28 14:24 |
| Omega | that is capitalism | Apr 28 14:24 |
| oiaohm | Even in capitalism you boss can choose not to take ownership of your work. | Apr 28 14:24 |
| Omega | I'm glad we're understanding eachother better now | Apr 28 14:24 |
| Omega | yes | Apr 28 14:24 |
| Omega | that is possible | Apr 28 14:24 |
| Omega | that's what I mean with a coop | Apr 28 14:24 |
| oiaohm | Most things in capitalism are not mandorary. | Apr 28 14:24 |
| Omega | a cooperation where the workers run the company | Apr 28 14:24 |
| Omega | oiaohm: but it's possible | Apr 28 14:25 |
| oiaohm | That is the problem. | Apr 28 14:25 |
| oiaohm | Capitalism is a super broad term. | Apr 28 14:25 |
| Omega | for example, when there was slavery it was not mandatory but it was possible | Apr 28 14:25 |
| Omega | and that's why it was bad | Apr 28 14:25 |
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| oiaohm | And pure propertarian is bad. | Apr 28 14:26 |
| Omega | oiaohm: but you _need_ property with capitalism | Apr 28 14:26 |
| Omega | if being a boss is not possible, it's not capitalism | Apr 28 14:26 |
| Omega | that is why I say that capitalism is propertarian | Apr 28 14:26 |
| oiaohm | Omega: Again depends on your define of property. | Apr 28 14:26 |
| Omega | it's a defining characteristic of capitalism | Apr 28 14:26 |
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| oiaohm | Without property. | Apr 28 14:27 |
| Omega | oiaohm: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_property#Liberal_perspective | Apr 28 14:28 |
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| oiaohm | Being a boss trading labour around is still posible. | Apr 28 14:28 |
| Omega | oiaohm: no, what you are describing is known as market socialism | Apr 28 14:28 |
| Omega | or mutualism | Apr 28 14:28 |
| Omega | where you don't have private property | Apr 28 14:28 |
| Omega | but still a market | Apr 28 14:28 |
| oiaohm | market socialism still falls under the term capitalism | Apr 28 14:29 |
| Omega | no no no | Apr 28 14:29 |
| oiaohm | The interactions are still capitalism. | Apr 28 14:29 |
| Omega | no | Apr 28 14:29 |
| Omega | it's a MARKET | Apr 28 14:29 |
| Omega | but a market is not the same as capitalism | Apr 28 14:29 |
| Omega | we had markets long before we had capitalism | Apr 28 14:29 |
| Omega | you do not need private property for a market | Apr 28 14:30 |
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| Omega | see for example market socialism | Apr 28 14:30 |
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| oiaohm | socialism extra defines to markets match capitalism. | Apr 28 14:30 |
| Omega | but for capitalism you do need it | Apr 28 14:30 |
| Omega | oiaohm: no, that is not true | Apr 28 14:30 |
| Omega | socialism is about the common ownership of the means of production | Apr 28 14:30 |
| oiaohm | It is true. What is being traded. | Apr 28 14:31 |
| Omega | capitalism is about the private ownership of the means of production | Apr 28 14:31 |
| Omega | you are talking about markets oiaohm | Apr 28 14:31 |
| Omega | you are confusing markets with capitalism | Apr 28 14:31 |
| oiaohm | Do you know what goverment capitalism is. | Apr 28 14:31 |
| oiaohm | Is where the goverment owns all the means of production. | Apr 28 14:31 |
| Omega | yes, I know what state capitalism is | Apr 28 14:31 |
| oiaohm | And what is most examples of socialism markets. | Apr 28 14:32 |
| Omega | no | Apr 28 14:32 |
| Omega | that is not true | Apr 28 14:32 |
| oiaohm | Russia examples | Apr 28 14:32 |
| oiaohm | Where. | Apr 28 14:32 |
| Omega | that was state capilism | Apr 28 14:32 |
| oiaohm | china examples where. | Apr 28 14:32 |
| Omega | also state capitalism | Apr 28 14:32 |
| oiaohm | But there there are regional capitalism and group capitalism. | Apr 28 14:33 |
| Omega | but state capitalism means that you have a state _and_ capitalism | Apr 28 14:33 |
| Omega | well sure | Apr 28 14:33 |
| Omega | because you have private ownership | Apr 28 14:33 |
| Omega | the owner can be an individual | Apr 28 14:33 |
| Omega | or a group | Apr 28 14:33 |
| oiaohm | Thing is common ownership is just group ownership. | Apr 28 14:33 |
| Omega | no | Apr 28 14:33 |
| Omega | socialism is about the people working there / using it being the owners | Apr 28 14:34 |
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| Omega | oiaohm: private ownership means it's yours full stop. | Apr 28 14:34 |
| Omega | common ownership means it's yours as long as you use it | Apr 28 14:34 |
| oiaohm | unless its owned by a coop | Apr 28 14:34 |
| oiaohm | that you are a member of. | Apr 28 14:34 |
| Omega | yes if a coop is using it | Apr 28 14:34 |
| oiaohm | That is just group ownership. | Apr 28 14:34 |
| Omega | a coop can't own a factory it doesn't use | Apr 28 14:35 |
| Omega | (under socialism) | Apr 28 14:35 |
| oiaohm | so common ownership to that group. | Apr 28 14:35 |
| Omega | no | Apr 28 14:35 |
| Omega | it's defined by usage | Apr 28 14:35 |
| iophk | Aren't corporate shareholders supposed to really be part owners? | Apr 28 14:35 |
| Omega | not private property | Apr 28 14:35 |
| oiaohm | We have leases from goverments in capalistim countries as well. | Apr 28 14:36 |
| Omega | under private property you can own a factory you don't use | Apr 28 14:36 |
| oiaohm | If you don't use leased land you lose it. | Apr 28 14:36 |
| Omega | under common property you couldn't | Apr 28 14:36 |
| Omega | oiaohm: yes | Apr 28 14:36 |
| Omega | but _they_ own it privately | Apr 28 14:36 |
| Omega | it's absentee landlordism | Apr 28 14:36 |
| Omega | they rent it to you | Apr 28 14:36 |
| Omega | even though they are not using it | Apr 28 14:36 |
| Omega | they still own it | Apr 28 14:36 |
| oiaohm | common property someone is still policing it. | Apr 28 14:37 |
| oiaohm | So they are still the landlord. | Apr 28 14:37 |
| Omega | Huh? | Apr 28 14:37 |
| Omega | I don't understand, please elaborate. | Apr 28 14:37 |
| oiaohm | Every time a common property idea is setup. It very much matches capalistim with usage requirement leasing. | Apr 28 14:38 |
| Omega | No | Apr 28 14:38 |
| Omega | if there is leasing it's not common property. | Apr 28 14:38 |
| oiaohm | Sorry to say it does. | Apr 28 14:38 |
| Omega | if you lease land it's private. | Apr 28 14:38 |
| Omega | and thus not common | Apr 28 14:39 |
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| oiaohm | Why does it turn the way I say. | Apr 28 14:39 |
| Omega | You have to show me that it does turn that way | Apr 28 14:39 |
| oiaohm | Simple people with common property and no strict rules fight. | Apr 28 14:39 |
| Omega | because what you said made no sense to me | Apr 28 14:39 |
| Omega | oiaohm: that is an unsubstantiated claim. | Apr 28 14:39 |
| oiaohm | It is not. | Apr 28 14:39 |
| Omega | Explain why they fight. | Apr 28 14:39 |
| oiaohm | china russia many countries have tried setting up common property systems. | Apr 28 14:40 |
| Omega | _tried_ | Apr 28 14:40 |
| Omega | but they were always capitalism | Apr 28 14:40 |
| Omega | capitalist* | Apr 28 14:40 |
| oiaohm | Not at start particularly with early china. | Apr 28 14:40 |
| Omega | sure they may have tried, but they never got further than capitalism. | Apr 28 14:40 |
| oiaohm | But it did break down into war. | Apr 28 14:40 |
| Omega | Even if that is true, it does not prove your point. | Apr 28 14:41 |
| Omega | That is not enough evidence to claim that they fought _because_ of common property. | Apr 28 14:41 |
| oiaohm | Why did the war start in china back 3000 bc | Apr 28 14:41 |
| oiaohm | Bad year of crops. | Apr 28 14:42 |
| Omega | So drought, ok. | Apr 28 14:42 |
| Omega | How does that show that common property lead to the war? | Apr 28 14:42 |
| oiaohm | When that happens people need to know what they own. | Apr 28 14:42 |
| Omega | And how it _always_ leads to a war? | Apr 28 14:42 |
| oiaohm | Leads to fighting not always war. | Apr 28 14:42 |
| Omega | oiaohm: yes, you own what you use, you own the vegetables YOU grew | Apr 28 14:42 |
| Omega | it's easy | Apr 28 14:43 |
| Omega | if there were private property | Apr 28 14:43 |
| Omega | the corporations would own the vegetables and the farmers wouldn't be able to afford them | Apr 28 14:43 |
| oiaohm | In fact they are private property no longer common. | Apr 28 14:43 |
| Omega | exactly | Apr 28 14:43 |
| Omega | it does not lead to fighting | Apr 28 14:44 |
| Omega | you still have not shown why | Apr 28 14:44 |
| Omega | it's easy to know what you own, you own what you produced | Apr 28 14:44 |
| Omega | you own the fruits of your labour | Apr 28 14:44 |
| oiaohm | rice china classic example of problem. When rice has commonly been put together | Apr 28 14:44 |
| oiaohm | How do you know how much was yours if that was not counted. | Apr 28 14:45 |
| Omega | your anecdotes are not attacking usage based property rights. | Apr 28 14:45 |
| Omega | oiaohm: that is a problem they have to solve | Apr 28 14:45 |
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| Omega | it has nothing to do with common ownership | Apr 28 14:45 |
| Omega | mark your crops or something | Apr 28 14:45 |
| oiaohm | Solving it leads back to private ownership of what you produced. | Apr 28 14:46 |
| oiaohm | by marking or other means. | Apr 28 14:46 |
| Omega | How? | Apr 28 14:46 |
| Omega | :| | Apr 28 14:46 |
| Omega | look | Apr 28 14:46 |
| Omega | if you mark your crops | Apr 28 14:46 |
| Omega | the crops are yours | Apr 28 14:46 |
| oiaohm | Means you privately own that. | Apr 28 14:46 |
| Omega | they are always yours because you produced them | Apr 28 14:46 |
| Omega | oiaohm: yes! you privately own what you produced | Apr 28 14:46 |
| Omega | it's YOURS | Apr 28 14:46 |
| oiaohm | Its still private ownership. | Apr 28 14:47 |
| Omega | but the land is yours as long as you're USING it | Apr 28 14:47 |
| Omega | it's not private property | Apr 28 14:47 |
| Omega | I already told you | Apr 28 14:47 |
| Omega | you still have personal property | Apr 28 14:47 |
| oiaohm | Sections I have worked with cattle I am using goverment leand. | Apr 28 14:47 |
| Omega | and you have ownership of what you produce | Apr 28 14:47 |
| oiaohm | land | Apr 28 14:47 |
| Omega | oiaohm: I am an anti-authoritarian | Apr 28 14:48 |
| Omega | I am not proposing we have a government | Apr 28 14:48 |
| oiaohm | And you only have the right to as long as you use it. | Apr 28 14:48 |
| Omega | I am against states | Apr 28 14:48 |
| Omega | I am not saying we need those | Apr 28 14:48 |
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| Omega | I'm saying that people should own what they produce | Apr 28 14:48 |
| oiaohm | Since I have worked with cattle I also understand that you need to rest land. | Apr 28 14:48 |
| Omega | and the means of production should be under the control fo those who use them | Apr 28 14:49 |
| oiaohm | FOSS support the idea that people should own what they product. Caplitaism does not say either way. | Apr 28 14:49 |
| Omega | oiaohm: I am against livestock so I don't see how this is a problem. | Apr 28 14:49 |
| oiaohm | Omega: if somewhere needs to be rested from usage. And you are working common ownership model where someone will use it when you are not the land can fail on you. | Apr 28 14:50 |
| Omega | you need to work together to find a way that you both can use it then or something | Apr 28 14:51 |
| Omega | the land is not just yours | Apr 28 14:51 |
| Omega | it's yours when you use it | Apr 28 14:51 |
| oiaohm | Omega: that is presuming human is not greedy. | Apr 28 14:51 |
| Omega | you have no god given right to it | Apr 28 14:51 |
| oiaohm | Omega: so will not push the land too hard so ruining it next season. | Apr 28 14:51 |
| Omega | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJc | Apr 28 14:51 |
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| Omega | oiaohm: exactly, you both don't want next season to be ruined | Apr 28 14:52 |
| Omega | so you can talk it out | Apr 28 14:52 |
| Omega | it's in both your benefits | Apr 28 14:52 |
| oiaohm | Omega: this is the evil part. | Apr 28 14:52 |
| oiaohm | I guess you never grew up on land. | Apr 28 14:52 |
| Omega | don't make assumptions about me | Apr 28 14:52 |
| oiaohm | to know you can ruin it for one or two seasons. | Apr 28 14:52 |
| Omega | just tell me what you want to say | Apr 28 14:52 |
| oiaohm | Then the land will come good again. | Apr 28 14:53 |
| Omega | how does that counter anything that I said? | Apr 28 14:53 |
| oiaohm | Management of land for production is tricky. Common ownership with when not in use someone else using it does not work. | Apr 28 14:54 |
| Omega | I'm saying that you both are using the land so you have to talk to eachother | Apr 28 14:54 |
| Omega | and figure out a way for you both to use it | Apr 28 14:54 |
| oiaohm | And I am saying that will not happen with one greedy person. | Apr 28 14:54 |
| Omega | the land isn't more yours than it is someone else's | Apr 28 14:54 |
| oiaohm | They will see chance and take it. | Apr 28 14:55 |
| oiaohm | And ruin it for you down the track. | Apr 28 14:55 |
| Omega | oiaohm: sure, and a killer might kill you when you sleep! we shouldn't sleep anymore | Apr 28 14:55 |
| Omega | of course you can have a saboteur | Apr 28 14:55 |
| Omega | but it wouldn't be in their interest | Apr 28 14:55 |
| Omega | if they are greedy it wouldn't be in their interest to not cooperate | Apr 28 14:56 |
| oiaohm | Production land need to be managed better than what common ownership normally does. | Apr 28 14:56 |
| Omega | because you both would be messed up | Apr 28 14:56 |
| Omega | oiaohm: yes! | Apr 28 14:56 |
| Omega | that is true | Apr 28 14:56 |
| Omega | because most "common ownership" (it's not) is under a capitalist society | Apr 28 14:56 |
| oiaohm | Even under a non capitalist forces like size of family and other issues can come in. | Apr 28 14:57 |
| oiaohm | Greed happens its human. | Apr 28 14:57 |
| oiaohm | For production land that is bad bad news. | Apr 28 14:57 |
| Omega | no | Apr 28 14:58 |
| oiaohm | private ownship for production land normally makes it expensive if you stuff it up. So you stuffer for treating it badly. | Apr 28 14:58 |
| Omega | you can't just make these assumptions | Apr 28 14:58 |
| Omega | < oiaohm> Greed happens its human. | Apr 28 14:58 |
| Omega | you need to tell me why this is so | Apr 28 14:58 |
| Omega | and why "it's human" | Apr 28 14:58 |
| oiaohm | That is not an assumption | Apr 28 14:58 |
| Omega | yes | Apr 28 14:58 |
| Omega | it is | Apr 28 14:58 |
| oiaohm | No its not. | Apr 28 14:58 |
| Omega | EXPLAIN it then | Apr 28 14:58 |
| Omega | that's what I'm asking | Apr 28 14:58 |
| oiaohm | To live threw natural disasters. | Apr 28 14:59 |
| oiaohm | All humans have got programed to be greedy to protect what they need to live. | Apr 28 14:59 |
| Omega | actually | Apr 28 14:59 |
| Omega | basically after all natural distaters | Apr 28 14:59 |
| oiaohm | Its part of survial. | Apr 28 14:59 |
| Omega | you see humanity banding together | Apr 28 14:59 |
| Omega | to help | Apr 28 14:59 |
| Omega | every single time | Apr 28 15:00 |
| Omega | so I don't think what you said is true. | Apr 28 15:00 |
| oiaohm | Yes and no. | Apr 28 15:00 |
| oiaohm | the banding together to help yes. | Apr 28 15:00 |
| oiaohm | Loating and other collection of items they see as needed also happen at a higher rate. | Apr 28 15:00 |
| Omega | of course | Apr 28 15:00 |
| Omega | because they need them | Apr 28 15:01 |
| Omega | it's an emergency situation | Apr 28 15:01 |
| oiaohm | Most case no. | Apr 28 15:01 |
| Omega | you are making a lot fo assumptions | Apr 28 15:01 |
| oiaohm | The greed will make you collect more than what you really need. | Apr 28 15:01 |
| Omega | Also | Apr 28 15:01 |
| oiaohm | Its been studied over and over again. | Apr 28 15:01 |
| Omega | looting recently you mean, when we are lviing under a capitalist society | Apr 28 15:02 |
| oiaohm | Its why a water or food trucks you place with mil handing out rations in a controlled way. | Apr 28 15:02 |
| Omega | that's where your wrong | Apr 28 15:02 |
| Omega | people aren't greedy by nature | Apr 28 15:02 |
| oiaohm | Does not matter the society in disaster. | Apr 28 15:02 |
| Omega | that's unsubstantiated | Apr 28 15:02 |
| oiaohm | To live we are programmed to be pack rats. | Apr 28 15:02 |
| Omega | No | Apr 28 15:02 |
| Omega | Your only example was under a capitalist society | Apr 28 15:03 |
| Omega | we are easily influenced by our environment | Apr 28 15:03 |
| Omega | a capitalist society rewards greediness | Apr 28 15:03 |
| Omega | that's why you see more of it | Apr 28 15:03 |
| oiaohm | In fact the mil trucks bit have even been in countries that don't have capitalist that have had a disaster and need food aid. | Apr 28 15:04 |
| oiaohm | If you just drop the food even that its enough to be split up it will not be. | Apr 28 15:04 |
| oiaohm | Or water. | Apr 28 15:04 |
| oiaohm | Humans just are not the perfect sharing kind. | Apr 28 15:05 |
| Omega | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOP2V_np2c0 | Apr 28 15:05 |
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| Omega | RSA Animate does a wonderful job | Apr 28 15:05 |
| Omega | I really reccomend you watch it | Apr 28 15:05 |
| Omega | it's pretty interesting | Apr 28 15:05 |
| Omega | oiaohm: there are no countries that aren't capitalist | Apr 28 15:06 |
| oiaohm | Some islands off australia are not capitalist. | Apr 28 15:06 |
| oiaohm | But after cyclones and they needing aid still the same thing. | Apr 28 15:06 |
| oiaohm | Our survival instinct is part of the problem Omega | Apr 28 15:07 |
| Omega | oiaohm: source | Apr 28 15:07 |
| Omega | also, you really underestimate how much we are influenced by our environment | Apr 28 15:08 |
| Omega | this "human nature" myth is not true | Apr 28 15:08 |
| Omega | "human nature" has changed a LOT | Apr 28 15:08 |
| Omega | for example, rape was not until too long ago perfectly normal | Apr 28 15:09 |
| Omega | and "human nature" | Apr 28 15:09 |
| Omega | now we think it is disgusting | Apr 28 15:09 |
| oiaohm | Rape was not natural to all cultures. | Apr 28 15:10 |
| Omega | yes, it was | Apr 28 15:10 |
| oiaohm | Greed is something that is universal. | Apr 28 15:10 |
| Omega | rape was "human nature" | Apr 28 15:10 |
| Omega | ALL cultures participated, not too long ago | Apr 28 15:10 |
| oiaohm | No there are still tribes that have had little todo with other cultures with rape has been deah. | Apr 28 15:11 |
| oiaohm | death for since forever. | Apr 28 15:11 |
| oiaohm | Greed goes back to a basic fact of nature. | Apr 28 15:11 |
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| Omega | oiaohm: could you tell me which tribes? | Apr 28 15:12 |
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| oiaohm | Plants only produce harvest for limited time. So being able to store that would mean you would have a better chance of survail to pass on your DNA. | Apr 28 15:12 |
| Omega | you really don't need to look that far back, look at how much rape is found in the bible for example | Apr 28 15:12 |
| Omega | it was "human nature" | Apr 28 15:13 |
| oiaohm | Omega: its ones in the congo(one of those still has the culture to kill yourself before the age of 40) | Apr 28 15:13 |
| oiaohm | China early had the savage treatment for rape. | Apr 28 15:13 |
| oiaohm | Of being beheaded. | Apr 28 15:13 |
| Omega | I'm interested in knowing which one it is, if you find it let me know | Apr 28 15:14 |
| Omega | but my point is that rape was considered "human nature" not too far back | Apr 28 15:14 |
| oiaohm | and the lady you had sex with if she had a child it being killed at birth. | Apr 28 15:14 |
| Omega | oiaohm: those tribes aren't capitalist either, greed is usually not so self evident there. | Apr 28 15:14 |
| oiaohm | To make sure you line did not live on. | Apr 28 15:14 |
| oiaohm | Greed is still there in those tribes. | Apr 28 15:15 |
| oiaohm | Maybe not as strong. | Apr 28 15:15 |
| Omega | what do you mean with greed then | Apr 28 15:15 |
| Omega | because we might be talking besides eachother | Apr 28 15:15 |
| oiaohm | The idea or storing your own personal stashes of food or items. | Apr 28 15:15 |
| oiaohm | Hiding it from others. | Apr 28 15:15 |
| oiaohm | This gives you a better chance of survalive. | Apr 28 15:16 |
| oiaohm | This is how it shows it self in tribes. | Apr 28 15:16 |
| oiaohm | Even if the tribe forbids people doing that people still do. | Apr 28 15:16 |
| oiaohm | Yes some australian aboriginal tribes hidding food was pain of death. | Apr 28 15:17 |
| oiaohm | yet there records showed it still happened. | Apr 28 15:17 |
| Omega | but it was discouraged | Apr 28 15:18 |
| Omega | so greed was not "human nature" | Apr 28 15:18 |
| Omega | it was something they thought was bad | Apr 28 15:18 |
| oiaohm | Yes discouraged yet there people still did it. | Apr 28 15:18 |
| Omega | Just ebcause SOME people did it does not mean it's human anture | Apr 28 15:18 |
| Omega | saying it's human nature means that it's in every human | Apr 28 15:18 |
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| oiaohm | The fact that most of the tribe ended up having to give up because all of them were gultiy. | Apr 28 15:19 |
| Omega | but this was a fun discussion oiaohm! | Apr 28 15:19 |
| Omega | I will go on to do something else now | Apr 28 15:19 |
| Omega | it was nice talking to you | Apr 28 15:19 |
| oiaohm | Omega: same everything I have seen suggest greed is result of natures effect on us. | Apr 28 15:20 |
| oiaohm | Omega: problem is how to manage it. | Apr 28 15:20 |
| oiaohm | Omega: so far we have no good system. | Apr 28 15:20 |
| oiaohm | Omega: and if you design a system that does not take account for human greed it will fail. | Apr 28 15:21 |
| Omega | exactly | Apr 28 15:25 |
| Omega | capitalism rewards it | Apr 28 15:25 |
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| oiaohm | Omega: capitalism in USA rewards it. Due to no regulations. Capitalism in Australia rewards it less. And corruption in other countries reward it as well. | Apr 28 15:30 |
| oiaohm | Omega: the greed just shows up in other forms. | Apr 28 15:30 |
| Omega | no, capitalism rewards it because it is propertarian | Apr 28 15:30 |
| Omega | if you own more | Apr 28 15:30 |
| Omega | if you have more land | Apr 28 15:30 |
| Omega | more money | Apr 28 15:30 |
| Omega | you can get more money | Apr 28 15:30 |
| Omega | it rewards hoarding | Apr 28 15:30 |
| Omega | it rewards being greedy | Apr 28 15:31 |
| oiaohm | Corruptions in russia and china and other places running marix systems. | Apr 28 15:31 |
| oiaohm | Again greedy rewarded. | Apr 28 15:31 |
| oiaohm | Different system different shape same evil. | Apr 28 15:32 |
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| oiaohm | Omega: note that video is not mention greed to Australia. Regulator restricted how deep people could go into debt. | Apr 28 15:34 |
| oiaohm | Omega: in Australia. | Apr 28 15:34 |
| Omega | < oiaohm> Corruptions in russia and china and other places running marix systems. | Apr 28 15:35 |
| Omega | they were capitalist | Apr 28 15:35 |
| Omega | the USSR was capitalist | Apr 28 15:35 |
| Omega | the communist party never got russia to communsim | Apr 28 15:35 |
| Omega | they were always capitalist | Apr 28 15:35 |
| oiaohm | Note corruption | Apr 28 15:36 |
| oiaohm | Systems can be under mined by the greedy. | Apr 28 15:36 |
| oiaohm | No matter what you create that is a base problem. | Apr 28 15:37 |
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| Omega | but look at anarchist catalonia for example | Apr 28 15:40 |
| Omega | that worked out pretty well | Apr 28 15:40 |
| Omega | george orwell even wrote a book about it | Apr 28 15:40 |
| Omega | "Homage to Catalonia" | Apr 28 15:40 |
| oiaohm | Capitalism without sharemarkets and other major fiancal tools also works pritty well as well. | Apr 28 15:42 |
| oiaohm | That video missed the big thing. | Apr 28 15:42 |
| oiaohm | Do you know what a fractional resever is. | Apr 28 15:42 |
| oiaohm | Its evil. | Apr 28 15:42 |
| oiaohm | Lets say I have 100 dollars yet I lend out 1000 dollars. | Apr 28 15:43 |
| oiaohm | Where did the 900 extra dollars come from. | Apr 28 15:43 |
| oiaohm | Fractional reserve the banks in the usa were only required to have a percentage of what they lent. | Apr 28 15:43 |
| oiaohm | USA banks were not the only ones doing that. | Apr 28 15:44 |
| oiaohm | Australia is one of the rare countries where banks cannot lend more money than what they really have. | Apr 28 15:44 |
| oiaohm | Capitalism + the right to print money equal beep disaster. | Apr 28 15:46 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] The Final Front Cover of my New Album "ÜBERG33K: 2012 The Alan Turing Year", to be released tomorrow. #freemusic #creativecommons #CC-BY-SA | Apr 28 15:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] Just burned the Master CD, using 100% #freesoftware #gnu #linux #ubuntu #gespeaker #audacity #K3B #KoverArtist #PDFEdit #gimp #openmpt #wine | Apr 28 15:54 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] New Blog Post | Exploring Markdown http://is.gd/lazgAf #fb | Apr 28 15:55 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] OOPS! Here's the link to the front cover http://ur1.ca/94jzo | Apr 28 15:59 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Arrest fears over Chinese activist who helped Chen Guangcheng escape - http://bit.ly/JsZkeK brave woman (v @TeaWithCarl) #china | Apr 28 16:00 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] markdowner does not have any download files registered with Launchpad. << not a single clue let alone a link to where they are though | Apr 28 16:24 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] it's annoying, because I installed markdowner with a page of instructions with a few git lines & I can't find it or the download links now | Apr 28 16:24 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Have to wait nearly 2 more months :( “The Black Library - Emperor's Gift, The”: http://ur1.ca/94k3s | Apr 28 16:32 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Let’s just say it: The #Republicans are the problem. - http://wapo.st/IrJORn depressing; good it's being said (v @tom_watson @jayrosen_nyu) | Apr 28 16:55 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] 12.04lts - Improves on 11.10 (if that was possible)...sleeker, faster and a great wallpaper selection! What more could you want? | Apr 28 17:04 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Nintendo to release stereostopic 3d version of Blender made CC BY licensed Big Buck Bunny film on 3ds http://ur1.ca/94kd5 | Apr 28 18:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Keep the pressure on! ♻ @telecomix: #Microsoft Backs Away From #CISPA Support http://t.co/z6CfvMfC | Apr 28 18:22 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] !Tzag and good afternoon !Identiverse | Apr 28 18:24 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] ...busy trying to get my profile picture of Krystal done so I can work on my !InconstantMoon #SpecialFeature at the #Ubuntu #ReleaseParty | Apr 28 18:25 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[torproject/@torproject] New Tor Browser Bundles with Firefox 12.0: https://blog.torproject.org/blog/new-tor-browser-bundles-16 | Apr 28 18:50 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Ok, potrzebujemy porządnego, aktywnie rozwijanego forka Diaspory, skoncentrowanego na stworzeniu klienckiego API. #FWi http://ur1.ca/94kxq | Apr 28 18:52 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Microsoft Backs Away From #CISPA Support, Citing Privacy http://goo.gl/cUVyy | Apr 28 19:00 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] My Address To The German #Piratenpartei Assembly - http://bit.ly/Icn17u fine speech: says the right things, in the right way | Apr 28 19:19 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @torproject New Tor Browser Bundles with Firefox 12.0: http://ur1.ca/94kza | Apr 28 19:20 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The transatlantic bomb plot that prompted the UK’s biggest security operation - http://bit.ly/J080XA "tensions between the US and the UK" | Apr 28 19:22 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] New Album "ÜBERG33K" released http://is.gd/B3SUdS (official announcement) #freemusic | Apr 28 19:24 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Urheberrechtsdebatte: Merkel will Shitstorms trotzen - http://bit.ly/IM5mWk revealing herself to be a silly old dinosaur... | Apr 28 19:25 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] I guess I can soon call 0118 999 881 999 119 725........3 #insiderjoke | Apr 28 19:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Israel's Deputy PM admits #Iran DIDN'T threaten to wipe #Israel out - YouTube http://goo.gl/Izt6T #msmlies also http://ur1.ca/94lia | Apr 28 19:42 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Mito & Realidade: A segurança social e a saúde nos EUA – os campeões mundiais do laissez faire, laissez mourir http://goo.gl/4aEB4 #pt | Apr 28 19:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Mito & Realidade: "Portugal está a trabalhar bem para cumprir os «seus» objectivos", disse o banqueiro Ricardo Salgado http://goo.gl/ZN8ft | Apr 28 19:52 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Neil deGrasse Tyson Lists 8 (Free) Books Every Intelligent Person Should Read | Open Culture http://goo.gl/8DT7V #books | Apr 28 20:15 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Survival Forums SHTF Preparedness - Everything You Wanted to Know About #EMP http://goo.gl/zHo1o #preppers | Apr 28 20:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Solar Storm http://goo.gl/ZOTw2 #preppers | Apr 28 20:37 | |
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| schestowitz | "Try walking off the top of the Empire State Building... " https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1555130 | Apr 28 20:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a Diaspora post? | Apr 28 20:39 |
| schestowitz | "I went from (K)ubuntu to Chakra. Fast. Super easy to build almost anything from source. Gorgeous looking. The only thing to get used to is a rather odd system where there are three types of packages. Normal ones. Bundles (stuff with GTK etc) and CCR (stuff that gets built from source). " https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1554023 | Apr 28 20:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a Diaspora post? | Apr 28 20:40 |
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| schestowitz | " I went from (K)ubuntu to Chakra. Fast. Super easy to build almost anything from source. Gorgeous looking. The only thing to get used to is a rather odd system where there are three types of packages. Normal ones. Bundles (stuff with GTK etc) and CCR (stuff that gets built from source). " I went from (K)ubuntu to Chakra. Fast. Super easy to build almost anything from source. Gorgeous looking. The only thing to get used to is a | Apr 28 20:40 |
| schestowitz | rather odd system where there are three types of packages. Normal ones. Bundles (stuff with GTK etc) and CCR (stuff that gets built from source). | Apr 28 20:40 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] You Are All Suspects Now. What Are You Going to Do About It? By John Pilger http://goo.gl/a5E4x #world #policestate #surveillance #nwo | Apr 28 20:40 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: You Are All Suspects Now. What Are You Going to Do About It? .::. Size~: 39.1 KB | Apr 28 20:40 |
| schestowitz | "That's why I love Chakra. Rock solid underlying stuff (Xorg, Kernel etc). Bleeding edge apps and workspace." https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1552972 | Apr 28 20:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a Diaspora post? | Apr 28 20:41 |
| schestowitz | "Not one GNU/pedant trolling about how the operating system should be named after their contributions rather than someone else's, yet? Amazing..." https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1552719 | Apr 28 20:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a Diaspora post? | Apr 28 20:41 |
| schestowitz | |that's how we start class in Japan... " https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1552814 | Apr 28 20:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a Diaspora post? | Apr 28 20:42 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Reshared post from Jonas M Luster http://ur1.ca/94lu9 | Apr 28 20:42 | |
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| schestowitz | |Per process tabs in the list?" https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1562202 | Apr 28 20:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a Diaspora post? | Apr 28 20:42 |
| schestowitz | Slow news week | Apr 28 20:43 |
| schestowitz | Next week I'm away | Apr 28 20:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] had no idea there was a video for this choon http://goo.gl/5eXYH #SteveVai - I LOVE the fill straight after he plugs the TV back in | Apr 28 20:49 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] #CISPA, the New Enemy of the Internet | The Vigilant Citizen http://goo.gl/va9ey #vc | Apr 28 20:50 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] has to be said, the lame women-playing-girls are very lame in that video, the song is fantastic though #SteveVai | Apr 28 20:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is macnofm from stream.macno.org with 85 dents! | Apr 28 20:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] A warm and mellow evening in Munich. Neighbors enjoying a beer, me enjoying a cigarette. Wish I w... | Apr 28 21:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Understanding Syslog Managers and How to Use Them - Input Output http://goo.gl/hcSh9 #gnulinux #tips | Apr 28 21:17 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] 30 Best Sources For Linux / *BSD / Unix Documentation On the Web http://goo.gl/8eP5u #tips | Apr 28 21:22 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] #RonPaul is winning way more delegates than anyobody realizes | CollapseNet http://goo.gl/uUOxY | Apr 28 21:55 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Ron Paul is winning way more delegates than anyobody realizes | CollapseNet .::. Size~: 90.84 KB | Apr 28 21:55 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] This is a continuing sickness. | Apr 28 22:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] If that were indeed true in general we would be in much better shape than we are today. | Apr 28 22:02 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Donnie Darko time. G'night y'all :-) | Apr 28 22:27 | |
| formic_ | sdsd | Apr 28 22:29 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Why Is It Necessary For The Federal Government To Turn The United States Into A Prison Camp? | ZeroHedge #tsa #usa #policestate | Apr 28 22:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] The Daily Bell - #Spain Bans Cash http://goo.gl/6XQRU #tptb #cashlesssociety #nwo #surveillance #policestate | Apr 28 22:39 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] !KDE Tablet "Vivaldi" Upgraded To 1GB RAM, Starts Shipping Soon http://ur1.ca/94mld ( via @muktware ) /cc @nj3ma @kelzOKO @fredmanglis | Apr 28 22:52 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Michael Krieger On The Rebirth Of Barter | ZeroHedge http://goo.gl/3r0Un #collapse #preppers | Apr 28 22:55 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD @schestowitz Deploy your own "cloud" with Debian "Wheezy" http://ur1.ca/93k5q #debian #gnu #linux /cc @nj3ma @kelzOKO @fredmanglis | Apr 28 22:59 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Watching Oracle v Google, Apple v anyone else, anyone v Apple makes me wonder - wasn't competitio... | Apr 28 23:04 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Our coverage from @CityCampKC - Sharing the open source journey with Kansas City by @jhibbets | http://red.ht/IcERbB | Apr 28 23:05 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] HeiL #CISPA! | ZeroHedge http://goo.gl/0NTdb | Apr 28 23:09 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD @m4nima1 "Portland prosecutor says innocent man's classic kung fu film collection warranted brutal police tasing - http://b1t.it/bn0p " | Apr 28 23:41 | |
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| XFaCE | schestowitz: we got a link back | Apr 28 23:44 |
| XFaCE | My article has finally been reposted on PPCA | Apr 28 23:45 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: Does this show up on the Techrights article? | Apr 28 23:45 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Megaupload’s Kim Dotcom Gets $750,000 Back http://identi.ca/url/69308355 | Apr 28 23:46 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Megaupload’s Kim Dotcom Gets $750,000 Back | TorrentFreak .::. Size~: 27.03 KB | Apr 28 23:46 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: bitchin | Apr 28 23:49 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: Considering he did nothing wrong | Apr 28 23:49 |
| XFaCE | At least in regards to this case | Apr 28 23:49 |
| XFaCE | OR at least in relevance to the charges | Apr 28 23:49 |
| XFaCE | The whole thing's a fiasco | Apr 28 23:50 |
| oiaohm_ | XFaCE: He still might have done wrong. | Apr 28 23:52 |
| oiaohm_ | Thing is the charge is not bad enough to get him out his home country. | Apr 28 23:52 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] In the build up to our very first Ubuntu Accomplishments release, can you help with translations? http://is.gd/7UqYot #ubuntu #locoteams | Apr 28 23:52 | |
| XFaCE | oiaohm_: at the least | Apr 28 23:52 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @chicagonpg: How Apple Sidesteps Billions in Global Taxes http://goo.gl/vur84 | Apr 28 23:52 | |
| oiaohm_ | Things the police have done have been very wrong in this case. | Apr 28 23:52 |
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| XFaCE | oiaohm_: As bad as the UK kid who ran the TV links site being extradited | Apr 28 23:53 |
| oiaohm_ | Just because someone did something wrong does not give you the right to allow the destruction of other peoples propertiy on that person machine or house. | Apr 28 23:53 |
| oiaohm_ | XFaCE: No this is worse than the UK kid being extradited. | Apr 28 23:54 |
| oiaohm_ | Megaupload was not just storing pirated stuff. | Apr 28 23:54 |
| oiaohm_ | There are legal limits to what police are allowed todo. | Apr 28 23:55 |
| XFaCE | oiaohm_: Sure MU was storing "pirated" stuff | Apr 28 23:55 |
| XFaCE | but within the legal limits on the DMCA, it looks like they took enough procautions | Apr 28 23:55 |
| XFaCE | so that point is moot | Apr 28 23:55 |
| oiaohm_ | You missed mine. | Apr 28 23:55 |
| XFaCE | oiaohm_: perhaps | Apr 28 23:55 |
| oiaohm_ | The police did not take actions to protect the non pirated stuff as they investaged. | Apr 28 23:56 |
| XFaCE | oiaohm_: ahh yes, that is true | Apr 28 23:56 |
| oiaohm_ | So the police are gulity of lack of due care. | Apr 28 23:56 |
| XFaCE | They clearly didn't think before they did | Apr 28 23:56 |
| XFaCE | Like I just did :O | Apr 28 23:56 |
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| oiaohm_ | and if that lack of due care is allowed to be got away with. | Apr 28 23:56 |
| oiaohm_ | What next. | Apr 28 23:56 |
| XFaCE | oiaohm_: I absolutely hate terms like "pirated" being using in that way | Apr 28 23:56 |
| XFaCE | because it's stupid really | Apr 28 23:57 |
| oiaohm_ | Police come in and fire bomb your house because drugs where found there. | Apr 28 23:57 |
| XFaCE | oiaohm_: Probably already happens in the US -_- | Apr 28 23:57 |
| oiaohm_ | That is the possible path allowing lack of due care lets. | Apr 28 23:57 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] MPAA Boss ‘Forgets’ Hollywood’s Pirate History http://identi.ca/url/69308792 | Apr 28 23:57 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: MPAA Boss ‘Forgets’ Hollywood’s Pirate History | TorrentFreak .::. Size~: 29.12 KB | Apr 28 23:57 |
| oiaohm_ | XFaCE: I type pirated because it shorter than copyright infringing. | Apr 28 23:58 |
| oiaohm_ | XFaCE: If you know something short that is better will change to. | Apr 28 23:58 |
| XFaCE | disputed | Apr 28 23:58 |
| *XFaCE (XFaCE@unaffiliated/xface) has left #techrights ("Leaving") | Apr 28 23:59 | |
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| XFaCE | oiaohm_: much more technical, less fear-mongering | Apr 28 23:59 |
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