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qu1j0t3XFaCE: https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/197839656262438913May 03 01:07
TechrightsSocial@qu1j0t3: Environmentalist struggles to explain to her son why to Harper Govt she is now a terrorist http://t.co/EntEvTvB #StopHarper #cdnpoliMay 03 01:07
TechrightsSocial-> Title: Oil, dissent and the future of Canada - The Globe and Mail .::. Size~: 97.97 KBMay 03 01:08
XFaCEqu1j0t3: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/mps-blast-anonymous-attack-on-toews-but-cant-get-behind-mask/article2420544/May 03 02:28
TechrightsSocialTitle: MPs blast Anonymous attack on Toews but can’t get behind ‘mask’ - The Globe and Mail .::. Size~: 107.44 KBMay 03 02:28
qu1j0t3XFaCE: nobody is invulnerable.  I figure they'll get them eventually. The question is, what do they do then?May 03 02:31
XFaCEhttp://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/speaker-sides-with-toews-rules-hacker-group-anonymous-out-of-order/article2360185/May 03 02:31
TechrightsSocialTitle: Speaker sides with Toews, rules hacker group Anonymous out of order - The Globe and Mail .::. Size~: 116.87 KBMay 03 02:31
XFaCEqu1j0t3: This is getting sillyMay 03 02:31
XFaCEand thisMay 03 02:32
qu1j0t3it began sillyMay 03 02:32
XFaCE"“All MPs must be free to introduce legislation on whatever issues are important to them or their constituents without fear of reprisal and are rightly concerned about the threats posed to our democracy by online thugs who seek to intimidate duly elected members of Parliament,” Julie Carmichael said in an email."May 03 02:32
qu1j0t3lolMay 03 02:32
qu1j0t3=> "we have a mandate, we shall do what we want"May 03 02:32
XFaCEYeah, "killing democracy" rightMay 03 02:32
qu1j0t3silencing criticism is GOOD for democracy!May 03 02:32
qu1j0t3XFaCE: you clearly need re-educationMay 03 02:33
qu1j0t3XFaCE: we will put you in the cell next to the guy who tweeted about ToewsMay 03 02:33
XFaCEqu1j0t3: Aw man, think how many times we said fuck and harper in the same sentenceMay 03 02:33
XFaCEWe're going to jail and HellMay 03 02:33
XFaCEand it's the christian hell, since that Harper's religion, and Harper is Canada nowMay 03 02:34
XFaCEI'm an atheist, extra points for jail timeMay 03 02:34
qu1j0t3fuq harper and his kindMay 03 02:35
oiaohmXFaCE: I can understand the fearMay 03 02:35
qu1j0t3fuq these barbaric tribal antediluvian retardsMay 03 02:35
oiaohmXFaCE: annoymous are not past using methods you would not call cilvised.May 03 02:35
qu1j0t3oiaohm: GOOD.May 03 02:35
qu1j0t3oiaohm: I guess you aren't familiar with the details of the vikileaks "microscandal"May 03 02:36
XFaCEoiaohm: Furthermore, they are handling it in a way that shows clear ignorance and stupidity.May 03 02:36
qu1j0t3XFaCE: exactlyMay 03 02:36
qu1j0t3XFaCE: shows their fearMay 03 02:36
qu1j0t3XFaCE: and insecurityMay 03 02:36
XFaCEhttp://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/speaker-sides-with-toews-rules-hacker-group-anonymous-out-of-order/article2360185/May 03 02:36
qu1j0t3XFaCE: which is all they are made ofMay 03 02:36
TechrightsSocialTitle: Speaker sides with Toews, rules hacker group Anonymous out of order - The Globe and Mail .::. Size~: 116.83 KBMay 03 02:36
oiaohmThe fear I can understand.May 03 02:37
qu1j0t3XFaCE: a bunch of frightened little privileged pratsMay 03 02:37
XFaCEoiaohm: Read that article and tell me that they are not acting like complete imbeciles.May 03 02:37
oiaohmAnnoymous would not be past doing lots of things.May 03 02:37
qu1j0t3XFaCE: they better be scaredMay 03 02:37
qu1j0t3oiaohm: this has nothing to do with "Anonymous".May 03 02:37
XFaCEoiaohm: As a politician, you should be able to control your fear and maintain objectivity.May 03 02:37
qu1j0t3XFaCE: a sociopath isn't a leader. pity nobody took this lesson from the 20th C.May 03 02:38
XFaCEqu1j0t3: He doesn't even have charismaMay 03 02:38
oiaohmXFaCE: secuirty requires a section of secrets.May 03 02:39
oiaohmXFaCE: annoymous is threating to undo this.May 03 02:40
XFaCEoiaohm: Nonsense,May 03 02:40
XFaCEThe divorse details were publicMay 03 02:40
XFaCEIf anything, all they would do is bring to life things that people should know aboutMay 03 02:40
oiaohmQuestion is with annoymous track record would they just stop at details that are public.May 03 02:41
XFaCEoiaohm: Now, not all cases are like thisMay 03 02:41
XFaCEoiaohm: I really don't care at this pointMay 03 02:41
oiaohmHistory tells you no.May 03 02:41
oiaohmSo the fear is kinda justified.May 03 02:41
XFaCEHarper has already violated the same rules that Anonymous hasMay 03 02:41
XFaCEHarper is the instigatorMay 03 02:41
oiaohmBut I will agree they are handling it very badly.May 03 02:41
oiaohmThey are forgeting annoymouses core rule.May 03 02:42
XFaCEoiaohm: They are handling *everything* badly FTFYMay 03 02:42
qu1j0t3it's because of what they are.May 03 02:42
qu1j0t3it cannot be fixed.May 03 02:42
qu1j0t3they're not there to govern.May 03 02:42
oiaohmAs I said I understand their fear.May 03 02:42
oiaohmThat does not mean I agree with how they are handling it.May 03 02:43
qu1j0t3you betMay 03 02:43
qu1j0t3because we're going to destroy them.May 03 02:43
oiaohmAnnoynmous here in Australia has caused secuirty problems with plans of visitors and the like leaking.May 03 02:43
oiaohmSo they are not a group to take lightly.May 03 02:44
XFaCEoiaohm: Maybe Australia shouldn't use stupid internet filters :)May 03 02:46
oiaohmXFaCE: those did not make it.May 03 02:46
XFaCEoiaohm: who are those?May 03 02:46
oiaohmscientologys in australia Annoymous showed what they could do.May 03 02:47
oiaohmXFaCE: Internet filters in Australia did not make it into law.May 03 02:47
XFaCEoiaohm: Thanks partially to anonymousMay 03 02:48
oiaohmXFaCE: To be correct no.May 03 02:48
oiaohmXFaCE: turned out one of the major owners of the interlinks out of australia threated to shut up shop.May 03 02:48
oiaohmXFaCE: Perfect filter 90 percent of the population disconnected over night.May 03 02:49
oiaohmXFaCE: including the capitial.May 03 02:49
XFaCEwell, that helped tooMay 03 02:49
XFaCEI was referring more to the public awareness brought by anonymousMay 03 02:50
oiaohmanonymous was what started the push for filters.May 03 02:50
qu1j0t3nopeMay 03 02:50
qu1j0t3long predates thatMay 03 02:51
oiaohmAustralia has some of the toughest anti-hacking laws because one of our prime misters was almost killed by a hospitial being breached.May 03 02:51
qu1j0t3even Conroy predates thatMay 03 02:51
qu1j0t3oiaohm: no, it's because of the fucking christian right thereMay 03 02:51
oiaohmThat group was one of the founding groups of annoymous.May 03 02:51
qu1j0t3oiaohm: and the US puppet state govt, of courseMay 03 02:51
oiaohmBefore Conroy turned up there was talk about filtering.May 03 02:52
qu1j0t3sureMay 03 02:52
qu1j0t3but all of it was long before AnonymousMay 03 02:52
qu1j0t3uegh, as if anonymous is even relevant.May 03 02:52
oiaohmit starts with one of the founding groups of anonymousMay 03 02:52
qu1j0t3you mean Wikileaks, presumablyMay 03 02:52
qu1j0t3Anonymous aren't really relevant to anythingMay 03 02:52
oiaohmAttempt to kill a prime mister.May 03 02:52
qu1j0t3if it was Howard? I'd struggle to disapprove.May 03 02:53
oiaohmThis is 1994-1995May 03 02:53
oiaohmThat is where it starts.May 03 02:53
oiaohmFiltering control and regulation starts all the way back there in Australia.May 03 02:54
oiaohmLong before the the USA even talks about it.May 03 02:54
XFaCEqu1j0t3: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/harper-trumpets-a-year-of-being-on-right-side-of-economic-trends/article2420140/comments/May 03 02:54
TechrightsSocialTitle: Harper trumpets a year of being on 'right side' of economic trends - The Globe and Mail .::. Size~: 93.95 KBMay 03 02:54
XFaCETl'dr We will bow down and worship to ourselves.May 03 02:54
oiaohmReally the most anonymous pushed here the more support the idea of filters got to control rogue elements.May 03 02:55
XFaCEoiaohm: I'm pretty sure the excuse was "protecting the children"May 03 02:56
oiaohmXFaCE: protecting children and preventing other internet crime May 03 02:56
oiaohmXFaCE: it was two sided.May 03 02:56
qu1j0t3"other internet crime"?May 03 02:57
XFaCEqu1j0t3: Call the Party VanMay 03 02:57
*qu1j0t3 gives upMay 03 02:57
oiaohmbank plushing sites and on.May 03 02:57
*XFaCE performs CPR on qu1j0t3May 03 02:57
qu1j0t3oiaohm: why don't you just tell them to talk to the handMay 03 02:57
XFaCEStay with me, damnit!May 03 02:57
qu1j0t3oiaohm: why tolerate that crapMay 03 02:57
oiaohmReally it was the ISP's not being willing to implment it that stopped the goverment.May 03 02:58
oiaohmfilters are not cheap to run wrong filters could cost them business.May 03 02:58
qu1j0t3obviouslyMay 03 02:59
qu1j0t3the Conroy plan was unworkable and everyone knew it.May 03 02:59
qu1j0t3what beats me is why you tolerate this level of stupidityMay 03 03:00
oiaohmThe funny part it started with the ISP's asking for it.May 03 03:00
oiaohmNot for children.May 03 03:00
oiaohmBut to have a unified responce against bot nets and the like.May 03 03:00
qu1j0t3botnets?May 03 03:01
qu1j0t3why not just get rid of the root cause?May 03 03:01
oiaohmqu1j0t3: like filter out there control servers.May 03 03:01
qu1j0t3you can't do anything about 'botnets' as long as a monoculture is facilitated.May 03 03:01
oiaohmAnd locate the infected machines.May 03 03:01
qu1j0t3the monoculture is the original crime anyway.May 03 03:01
oiaohmCurrently Australian law limits the infomration that can be shared between ISP's.May 03 03:01
oiaohmThey were after a loop hole around the law and Conroy though it could exploit this todo his own thing.May 03 03:02
oiaohmOnly to find out that ISPs were very particular what they were after.May 03 03:02
qu1j0t3he proposed a blacklist. which is bullshit.May 03 03:02
oiaohmYes secret blacklistMay 03 03:03
qu1j0t3oh, yeah, secret. and leaked. and proved to be worthless.May 03 03:03
oiaohmThat is like how do you know its right.May 03 03:03
qu1j0t3well, duh?May 03 03:03
oiaohmAnd incorrect.May 03 03:03
qu1j0t3oiaohm: you... have read 20th C history?May 03 03:03
oiaohmNot yet.May 03 03:03
qu1j0t3this isn't even about technologyMay 03 03:03
qu1j0t3it's about a mindsetMay 03 03:04
qu1j0t3which is very very familiarMay 03 03:04
oiaohmBest one was one of the sites of a major political party that just happened to be in power happened to get on the black list somehow.May 03 03:05
oiaohmYep the site they organise there conferences at.May 03 03:05
oiaohmSome of the defects in the blacklist were down right funny.May 03 03:05
qu1j0t3well, we know what Harper's blacklist looks like.May 03 03:06
qu1j0t3environmentalists are now enemies of the harper regime??May 03 03:06
oiaohmAlso Linux conference in Australia it was sad to hear that companies making blacklists are not required to check if the information is still current.May 03 03:07
oiaohmSo black list for everything are full of crap.May 03 03:07
qu1j0t3quiteMay 03 03:10
oiaohmReally if you wanted to do something positive pass law any black/white list record that is out of date by large than a particular number of days is an offence.May 03 03:10
qu1j0t3?!May 03 03:10
qu1j0t3how about not using secret blacklistsMay 03 03:10
qu1j0t3it's a totalitarian play, obviously.May 03 03:10
oiaohmThat is wellMay 03 03:10
qu1j0t3nothing could be more anti-democratic.May 03 03:11
oiaohmsince they have to be inspected they cannot be secret of course.May 03 03:11
qu1j0t3you know, one day i might conclude that all this "democracy" rhetoric is bullshit.May 03 03:11
qu1j0t3inspected? by whom?May 03 03:11
qu1j0t3do you have any idea of the magnitude of the coverups possible?May 03 03:11
qu1j0t3history tells usMay 03 03:11
qu1j0t3the Holocaust itself was done under wraps until the last minuteMay 03 03:12
qu1j0t3+ coupled with unwillingness to believeMay 03 03:12
qu1j0t3NSA wiretaps only revealed thru whistleblowerMay 03 03:12
qu1j0t310 years of american war crimes, we hear a tiny fraction of it, thanks  to wikileaks , otherwise none at allMay 03 03:12
qu1j0t3cambodia/laos bombings secret from public, congress, and even airforce command for YEARSMay 03 03:13
qu1j0t3you can cover up anythingMay 03 03:13
XFaCEThe exposing of a private intelligence company in texasMay 03 03:13
XFaCE(IIRC)May 03 03:13
qu1j0t3that's what bugs me about harperMay 03 03:13
qu1j0t3he's a totalitarian who knows he can do anything under cover of secrecyMay 03 03:13
qu1j0t3and doesn't much care whatMay 03 03:14
XFaCEqu1j0t3: Of courseMay 03 03:15
XFaCEHe crosses the line and says mehMay 03 03:16
qu1j0t3not a nice combinationMay 03 03:16
qu1j0t3XFaCE: i am not sure he recognises a  lineMay 03 03:16
qu1j0t3XFaCE: i think mentally he lives on the wrong side of that lineMay 03 03:16
qu1j0t3XFaCE: so it's not crossing so much, as bringing others over to helpMay 03 03:16
qu1j0t3:|May 03 03:16
qu1j0t3and you can find willing hitmen any timeMay 03 03:17
qu1j0t3ask the GermansMay 03 03:17
XFaCEqu1j0t3: Do we have to violate Godwin's law so much tonight?May 03 03:18
qu1j0t3hehMay 03 03:20
qu1j0t3true, the Nixon metaphor is more aproposMay 03 03:20
qu1j0t3XFaCE: but clearly we have NOT learned enough from the 20th CMay 03 03:21
qu1j0t3XFaCE: regardless of which asshole we discussMay 03 03:21
qu1j0t3the amnesia is remarkableMay 03 03:21
qu1j0t3XFaCE: mind you, i don't think reminding people tht the holocaust was done in secret is a violationMay 03 03:22
qu1j0t3XFaCE: it flags that they don't know much about what is done TODAYMay 03 03:22
XFaCEI'm pretty sure that many Germans knew what was going onMay 03 03:22
XFaCEI mean, of the general publicMay 03 03:23
qu1j0t3XFaCE: maybe secrecy is a bit more thorough today. But we still don't have Fallujah in the public eyeMay 03 03:23
qu1j0t3XFaCE: and a bunch of people would like to make sure we never doMay 03 03:23
qu1j0t3XFaCE: but it doesn't matter how many germans knew if none could speakMay 03 03:24
qu1j0t3that's the _real_ lesson of the 20th CMay 03 03:24
qu1j0t3the forgotten one, i guess. May 03 03:25
qu1j0t3XFaCE: you should grab some books by PilgerMay 03 03:25
qu1j0t3XFaCE: he doesn't go back that far. His book "Distant Voices" is a nice recap of the fascist swings in the 1980sMay 03 03:25
qu1j0t3XFaCE: Harperism, if you will.May 03 03:25
qu1j0t3XFaCE: a previewMay 03 03:26
XFaCEicMay 03 03:29
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MinceRhttp://www.reddit.com/tb/t4l5hMay 03 12:41
TechrightsSocialTitle: Religious websites riskier than porn for online viruses: study via reddit.com .::. Size~: 1.68 KBMay 03 12:41
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XFaCEMinceR: gagagaMay 03 18:54
MinceRXFaCE: goo gooMay 03 19:01
XFaCEMinceR: That was a laughMay 03 19:01
XFaCEMinceR: @ the religious website articleMay 03 19:02
MinceRoh. :)May 03 19:02
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