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| qu1j0t3 | XFaCE: https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/197839656262438913 | May 03 01:07 |
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| TechrightsSocial | @qu1j0t3: Environmentalist struggles to explain to her son why to Harper Govt she is now a terrorist http://t.co/EntEvTvB #StopHarper #cdnpoli | May 03 01:07 |
| TechrightsSocial | -> Title: Oil, dissent and the future of Canada - The Globe and Mail .::. Size~: 97.97 KB | May 03 01:08 |
| XFaCE | qu1j0t3: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/mps-blast-anonymous-attack-on-toews-but-cant-get-behind-mask/article2420544/ | May 03 02:28 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: MPs blast Anonymous attack on Toews but can’t get behind ‘mask’ - The Globe and Mail .::. Size~: 107.44 KB | May 03 02:28 |
| qu1j0t3 | XFaCE: nobody is invulnerable. I figure they'll get them eventually. The question is, what do they do then? | May 03 02:31 |
| XFaCE | http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/speaker-sides-with-toews-rules-hacker-group-anonymous-out-of-order/article2360185/ | May 03 02:31 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Speaker sides with Toews, rules hacker group Anonymous out of order - The Globe and Mail .::. Size~: 116.87 KB | May 03 02:31 |
| XFaCE | qu1j0t3: This is getting silly | May 03 02:31 |
| XFaCE | and this | May 03 02:32 |
| qu1j0t3 | it began silly | May 03 02:32 |
| XFaCE | "“All MPs must be free to introduce legislation on whatever issues are important to them or their constituents without fear of reprisal and are rightly concerned about the threats posed to our democracy by online thugs who seek to intimidate duly elected members of Parliament,” Julie Carmichael said in an email." | May 03 02:32 |
| qu1j0t3 | lol | May 03 02:32 |
| qu1j0t3 | => "we have a mandate, we shall do what we want" | May 03 02:32 |
| XFaCE | Yeah, "killing democracy" right | May 03 02:32 |
| qu1j0t3 | silencing criticism is GOOD for democracy! | May 03 02:32 |
| qu1j0t3 | XFaCE: you clearly need re-education | May 03 02:33 |
| qu1j0t3 | XFaCE: we will put you in the cell next to the guy who tweeted about Toews | May 03 02:33 |
| XFaCE | qu1j0t3: Aw man, think how many times we said fuck and harper in the same sentence | May 03 02:33 |
| XFaCE | We're going to jail and Hell | May 03 02:33 |
| XFaCE | and it's the christian hell, since that Harper's religion, and Harper is Canada now | May 03 02:34 |
| XFaCE | I'm an atheist, extra points for jail time | May 03 02:34 |
| qu1j0t3 | fuq harper and his kind | May 03 02:35 |
| oiaohm | XFaCE: I can understand the fear | May 03 02:35 |
| qu1j0t3 | fuq these barbaric tribal antediluvian retards | May 03 02:35 |
| oiaohm | XFaCE: annoymous are not past using methods you would not call cilvised. | May 03 02:35 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: GOOD. | May 03 02:35 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: I guess you aren't familiar with the details of the vikileaks "microscandal" | May 03 02:36 |
| XFaCE | oiaohm: Furthermore, they are handling it in a way that shows clear ignorance and stupidity. | May 03 02:36 |
| qu1j0t3 | XFaCE: exactly | May 03 02:36 |
| qu1j0t3 | XFaCE: shows their fear | May 03 02:36 |
| qu1j0t3 | XFaCE: and insecurity | May 03 02:36 |
| XFaCE | http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/speaker-sides-with-toews-rules-hacker-group-anonymous-out-of-order/article2360185/ | May 03 02:36 |
| qu1j0t3 | XFaCE: which is all they are made of | May 03 02:36 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Speaker sides with Toews, rules hacker group Anonymous out of order - The Globe and Mail .::. Size~: 116.83 KB | May 03 02:36 |
| oiaohm | The fear I can understand. | May 03 02:37 |
| qu1j0t3 | XFaCE: a bunch of frightened little privileged prats | May 03 02:37 |
| XFaCE | oiaohm: Read that article and tell me that they are not acting like complete imbeciles. | May 03 02:37 |
| oiaohm | Annoymous would not be past doing lots of things. | May 03 02:37 |
| qu1j0t3 | XFaCE: they better be scared | May 03 02:37 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: this has nothing to do with "Anonymous". | May 03 02:37 |
| XFaCE | oiaohm: As a politician, you should be able to control your fear and maintain objectivity. | May 03 02:37 |
| qu1j0t3 | XFaCE: a sociopath isn't a leader. pity nobody took this lesson from the 20th C. | May 03 02:38 |
| XFaCE | qu1j0t3: He doesn't even have charisma | May 03 02:38 |
| oiaohm | XFaCE: secuirty requires a section of secrets. | May 03 02:39 |
| oiaohm | XFaCE: annoymous is threating to undo this. | May 03 02:40 |
| XFaCE | oiaohm: Nonsense, | May 03 02:40 |
| XFaCE | The divorse details were public | May 03 02:40 |
| XFaCE | If anything, all they would do is bring to life things that people should know about | May 03 02:40 |
| oiaohm | Question is with annoymous track record would they just stop at details that are public. | May 03 02:41 |
| XFaCE | oiaohm: Now, not all cases are like this | May 03 02:41 |
| XFaCE | oiaohm: I really don't care at this point | May 03 02:41 |
| oiaohm | History tells you no. | May 03 02:41 |
| oiaohm | So the fear is kinda justified. | May 03 02:41 |
| XFaCE | Harper has already violated the same rules that Anonymous has | May 03 02:41 |
| XFaCE | Harper is the instigator | May 03 02:41 |
| oiaohm | But I will agree they are handling it very badly. | May 03 02:41 |
| oiaohm | They are forgeting annoymouses core rule. | May 03 02:42 |
| XFaCE | oiaohm: They are handling *everything* badly FTFY | May 03 02:42 |
| qu1j0t3 | it's because of what they are. | May 03 02:42 |
| qu1j0t3 | it cannot be fixed. | May 03 02:42 |
| qu1j0t3 | they're not there to govern. | May 03 02:42 |
| oiaohm | As I said I understand their fear. | May 03 02:42 |
| oiaohm | That does not mean I agree with how they are handling it. | May 03 02:43 |
| qu1j0t3 | you bet | May 03 02:43 |
| qu1j0t3 | because we're going to destroy them. | May 03 02:43 |
| oiaohm | Annoynmous here in Australia has caused secuirty problems with plans of visitors and the like leaking. | May 03 02:43 |
| oiaohm | So they are not a group to take lightly. | May 03 02:44 |
| XFaCE | oiaohm: Maybe Australia shouldn't use stupid internet filters :) | May 03 02:46 |
| oiaohm | XFaCE: those did not make it. | May 03 02:46 |
| XFaCE | oiaohm: who are those? | May 03 02:46 |
| oiaohm | scientologys in australia Annoymous showed what they could do. | May 03 02:47 |
| oiaohm | XFaCE: Internet filters in Australia did not make it into law. | May 03 02:47 |
| XFaCE | oiaohm: Thanks partially to anonymous | May 03 02:48 |
| oiaohm | XFaCE: To be correct no. | May 03 02:48 |
| oiaohm | XFaCE: turned out one of the major owners of the interlinks out of australia threated to shut up shop. | May 03 02:48 |
| oiaohm | XFaCE: Perfect filter 90 percent of the population disconnected over night. | May 03 02:49 |
| oiaohm | XFaCE: including the capitial. | May 03 02:49 |
| XFaCE | well, that helped too | May 03 02:49 |
| XFaCE | I was referring more to the public awareness brought by anonymous | May 03 02:50 |
| oiaohm | anonymous was what started the push for filters. | May 03 02:50 |
| qu1j0t3 | nope | May 03 02:50 |
| qu1j0t3 | long predates that | May 03 02:51 |
| oiaohm | Australia has some of the toughest anti-hacking laws because one of our prime misters was almost killed by a hospitial being breached. | May 03 02:51 |
| qu1j0t3 | even Conroy predates that | May 03 02:51 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: no, it's because of the fucking christian right there | May 03 02:51 |
| oiaohm | That group was one of the founding groups of annoymous. | May 03 02:51 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: and the US puppet state govt, of course | May 03 02:51 |
| oiaohm | Before Conroy turned up there was talk about filtering. | May 03 02:52 |
| qu1j0t3 | sure | May 03 02:52 |
| qu1j0t3 | but all of it was long before Anonymous | May 03 02:52 |
| qu1j0t3 | uegh, as if anonymous is even relevant. | May 03 02:52 |
| oiaohm | it starts with one of the founding groups of anonymous | May 03 02:52 |
| qu1j0t3 | you mean Wikileaks, presumably | May 03 02:52 |
| qu1j0t3 | Anonymous aren't really relevant to anything | May 03 02:52 |
| oiaohm | Attempt to kill a prime mister. | May 03 02:52 |
| qu1j0t3 | if it was Howard? I'd struggle to disapprove. | May 03 02:53 |
| oiaohm | This is 1994-1995 | May 03 02:53 |
| oiaohm | That is where it starts. | May 03 02:53 |
| oiaohm | Filtering control and regulation starts all the way back there in Australia. | May 03 02:54 |
| oiaohm | Long before the the USA even talks about it. | May 03 02:54 |
| XFaCE | qu1j0t3: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/harper-trumpets-a-year-of-being-on-right-side-of-economic-trends/article2420140/comments/ | May 03 02:54 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Harper trumpets a year of being on 'right side' of economic trends - The Globe and Mail .::. Size~: 93.95 KB | May 03 02:54 |
| XFaCE | Tl'dr We will bow down and worship to ourselves. | May 03 02:54 |
| oiaohm | Really the most anonymous pushed here the more support the idea of filters got to control rogue elements. | May 03 02:55 |
| XFaCE | oiaohm: I'm pretty sure the excuse was "protecting the children" | May 03 02:56 |
| oiaohm | XFaCE: protecting children and preventing other internet crime | May 03 02:56 |
| oiaohm | XFaCE: it was two sided. | May 03 02:56 |
| qu1j0t3 | "other internet crime"? | May 03 02:57 |
| XFaCE | qu1j0t3: Call the Party Van | May 03 02:57 |
| *qu1j0t3 gives up | May 03 02:57 | |
| oiaohm | bank plushing sites and on. | May 03 02:57 |
| *XFaCE performs CPR on qu1j0t3 | May 03 02:57 | |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: why don't you just tell them to talk to the hand | May 03 02:57 |
| XFaCE | Stay with me, damnit! | May 03 02:57 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: why tolerate that crap | May 03 02:57 |
| oiaohm | Really it was the ISP's not being willing to implment it that stopped the goverment. | May 03 02:58 |
| oiaohm | filters are not cheap to run wrong filters could cost them business. | May 03 02:58 |
| qu1j0t3 | obviously | May 03 02:59 |
| qu1j0t3 | the Conroy plan was unworkable and everyone knew it. | May 03 02:59 |
| qu1j0t3 | what beats me is why you tolerate this level of stupidity | May 03 03:00 |
| oiaohm | The funny part it started with the ISP's asking for it. | May 03 03:00 |
| oiaohm | Not for children. | May 03 03:00 |
| oiaohm | But to have a unified responce against bot nets and the like. | May 03 03:00 |
| qu1j0t3 | botnets? | May 03 03:01 |
| qu1j0t3 | why not just get rid of the root cause? | May 03 03:01 |
| oiaohm | qu1j0t3: like filter out there control servers. | May 03 03:01 |
| qu1j0t3 | you can't do anything about 'botnets' as long as a monoculture is facilitated. | May 03 03:01 |
| oiaohm | And locate the infected machines. | May 03 03:01 |
| qu1j0t3 | the monoculture is the original crime anyway. | May 03 03:01 |
| oiaohm | Currently Australian law limits the infomration that can be shared between ISP's. | May 03 03:01 |
| oiaohm | They were after a loop hole around the law and Conroy though it could exploit this todo his own thing. | May 03 03:02 |
| oiaohm | Only to find out that ISPs were very particular what they were after. | May 03 03:02 |
| qu1j0t3 | he proposed a blacklist. which is bullshit. | May 03 03:02 |
| oiaohm | Yes secret blacklist | May 03 03:03 |
| qu1j0t3 | oh, yeah, secret. and leaked. and proved to be worthless. | May 03 03:03 |
| oiaohm | That is like how do you know its right. | May 03 03:03 |
| qu1j0t3 | well, duh? | May 03 03:03 |
| oiaohm | And incorrect. | May 03 03:03 |
| qu1j0t3 | oiaohm: you... have read 20th C history? | May 03 03:03 |
| oiaohm | Not yet. | May 03 03:03 |
| qu1j0t3 | this isn't even about technology | May 03 03:03 |
| qu1j0t3 | it's about a mindset | May 03 03:04 |
| qu1j0t3 | which is very very familiar | May 03 03:04 |
| oiaohm | Best one was one of the sites of a major political party that just happened to be in power happened to get on the black list somehow. | May 03 03:05 |
| oiaohm | Yep the site they organise there conferences at. | May 03 03:05 |
| oiaohm | Some of the defects in the blacklist were down right funny. | May 03 03:05 |
| qu1j0t3 | well, we know what Harper's blacklist looks like. | May 03 03:06 |
| qu1j0t3 | environmentalists are now enemies of the harper regime?? | May 03 03:06 |
| oiaohm | Also Linux conference in Australia it was sad to hear that companies making blacklists are not required to check if the information is still current. | May 03 03:07 |
| oiaohm | So black list for everything are full of crap. | May 03 03:07 |
| qu1j0t3 | quite | May 03 03:10 |
| oiaohm | Really if you wanted to do something positive pass law any black/white list record that is out of date by large than a particular number of days is an offence. | May 03 03:10 |
| qu1j0t3 | ?! | May 03 03:10 |
| qu1j0t3 | how about not using secret blacklists | May 03 03:10 |
| qu1j0t3 | it's a totalitarian play, obviously. | May 03 03:10 |
| oiaohm | That is well | May 03 03:10 |
| qu1j0t3 | nothing could be more anti-democratic. | May 03 03:11 |
| oiaohm | since they have to be inspected they cannot be secret of course. | May 03 03:11 |
| qu1j0t3 | you know, one day i might conclude that all this "democracy" rhetoric is bullshit. | May 03 03:11 |
| qu1j0t3 | inspected? by whom? | May 03 03:11 |
| qu1j0t3 | do you have any idea of the magnitude of the coverups possible? | May 03 03:11 |
| qu1j0t3 | history tells us | May 03 03:11 |
| qu1j0t3 | the Holocaust itself was done under wraps until the last minute | May 03 03:12 |
| qu1j0t3 | + coupled with unwillingness to believe | May 03 03:12 |
| qu1j0t3 | NSA wiretaps only revealed thru whistleblower | May 03 03:12 |
| qu1j0t3 | 10 years of american war crimes, we hear a tiny fraction of it, thanks to wikileaks , otherwise none at all | May 03 03:12 |
| qu1j0t3 | cambodia/laos bombings secret from public, congress, and even airforce command for YEARS | May 03 03:13 |
| qu1j0t3 | you can cover up anything | May 03 03:13 |
| XFaCE | The exposing of a private intelligence company in texas | May 03 03:13 |
| XFaCE | (IIRC) | May 03 03:13 |
| qu1j0t3 | that's what bugs me about harper | May 03 03:13 |
| qu1j0t3 | he's a totalitarian who knows he can do anything under cover of secrecy | May 03 03:13 |
| qu1j0t3 | and doesn't much care what | May 03 03:14 |
| XFaCE | qu1j0t3: Of course | May 03 03:15 |
| XFaCE | He crosses the line and says meh | May 03 03:16 |
| qu1j0t3 | not a nice combination | May 03 03:16 |
| qu1j0t3 | XFaCE: i am not sure he recognises a line | May 03 03:16 |
| qu1j0t3 | XFaCE: i think mentally he lives on the wrong side of that line | May 03 03:16 |
| qu1j0t3 | XFaCE: so it's not crossing so much, as bringing others over to help | May 03 03:16 |
| qu1j0t3 | :| | May 03 03:16 |
| qu1j0t3 | and you can find willing hitmen any time | May 03 03:17 |
| qu1j0t3 | ask the Germans | May 03 03:17 |
| XFaCE | qu1j0t3: Do we have to violate Godwin's law so much tonight? | May 03 03:18 |
| qu1j0t3 | heh | May 03 03:20 |
| qu1j0t3 | true, the Nixon metaphor is more apropos | May 03 03:20 |
| qu1j0t3 | XFaCE: but clearly we have NOT learned enough from the 20th C | May 03 03:21 |
| qu1j0t3 | XFaCE: regardless of which asshole we discuss | May 03 03:21 |
| qu1j0t3 | the amnesia is remarkable | May 03 03:21 |
| qu1j0t3 | XFaCE: mind you, i don't think reminding people tht the holocaust was done in secret is a violation | May 03 03:22 |
| qu1j0t3 | XFaCE: it flags that they don't know much about what is done TODAY | May 03 03:22 |
| XFaCE | I'm pretty sure that many Germans knew what was going on | May 03 03:22 |
| XFaCE | I mean, of the general public | May 03 03:23 |
| qu1j0t3 | XFaCE: maybe secrecy is a bit more thorough today. But we still don't have Fallujah in the public eye | May 03 03:23 |
| qu1j0t3 | XFaCE: and a bunch of people would like to make sure we never do | May 03 03:23 |
| qu1j0t3 | XFaCE: but it doesn't matter how many germans knew if none could speak | May 03 03:24 |
| qu1j0t3 | that's the _real_ lesson of the 20th C | May 03 03:24 |
| qu1j0t3 | the forgotten one, i guess. | May 03 03:25 |
| qu1j0t3 | XFaCE: you should grab some books by Pilger | May 03 03:25 |
| qu1j0t3 | XFaCE: he doesn't go back that far. His book "Distant Voices" is a nice recap of the fascist swings in the 1980s | May 03 03:25 |
| qu1j0t3 | XFaCE: Harperism, if you will. | May 03 03:25 |
| qu1j0t3 | XFaCE: a preview | May 03 03:26 |
| XFaCE | ic | May 03 03:29 |
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| XFaCE | MinceR: gagaga | May 03 18:54 |
| MinceR | XFaCE: goo goo | May 03 19:01 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: That was a laugh | May 03 19:01 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: @ the religious website article | May 03 19:02 |
| MinceR | oh. :) | May 03 19:02 |
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