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| schestowitz | > http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/hardware/worries-mount-as-nokia-burns-through-cash-reserves/articleshow/13286458.cms?curpg=2 | May 19 10:56 |
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| schestowitz | > | May 19 10:56 |
| schestowitz | > One thing that all these articles have in common is ignoring the | May 19 10:56 |
| schestowitz | > Meego/Maemo. That was by most measures a success and a good start in | May 19 10:56 |
| schestowitz | > the smart phone market. | May 19 10:56 |
| schestowitz | Do you think it might be intentional? | May 19 10:56 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1624782 | May 19 11:01 |
| TechrightsSocial | Not a Diaspora post? | May 19 11:01 |
| schestowitz | ""Downloads were 87% for Microsoft Windows, 11% MacOS and 2% Linux" Whats your view on the low percent of linux donwloads? Is it because its only sourceforges stats or maybe because most of the freesofftware community has mostly gone for libreoffice?" | May 19 11:01 |
| schestowitz | "so it being sourceforge stats it is then." | May 19 11:01 |
| schestowitz | "Well most Linux user get it from their repository - no need to download the "official" version ...would be my guess at least" | May 19 11:01 |
| schestowitz | > Hi, Roy, | May 19 11:03 |
| schestowitz | > | May 19 11:03 |
| schestowitz | > Groklaw didn't seem to pick up this one. Slashdot tries to spin it as | May 19 11:03 |
| schestowitz | > pro-M$ but the following comment has some good points: | May 19 11:03 |
| schestowitz | > | May 19 11:03 |
| schestowitz | > http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2860233&cid=40048505 | May 19 11:03 |
| schestowitz | Recently I stopped reading Groklaw closely. It became focus only on one trial, with only the pertinent details. I liked GL in the post-SCO days. | May 19 11:03 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Microsoft Wins US Import Ban On Motorola's Android Devices - Slashdot .::. Size~: 42.44 KB | May 19 11:03 |
| oiaohm | Now that puts pressure on the USA judge to allow Motorola call to block all MS products from sale. | May 19 11:06 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: really the recent trial is important. | May 19 11:08 |
| schestowitz | >> Recently I stopped reading Groklaw closely. It became focus only on | May 19 11:20 |
| schestowitz | >> one trial, with only the pertinent details. I liked GL in the | May 19 11:20 |
| schestowitz | >> post-SCO days. | May 19 11:20 |
| schestowitz | > | May 19 11:20 |
| schestowitz | > I, too, have stopped following Groklaw closely. The level of detail | May 19 11:20 |
| schestowitz | > in Oracle v. Google and the lack of coverage of other items makes it | May 19 11:20 |
| schestowitz | > rather boring, I am sad to say. I wonder which threats from M$ took | May 19 11:20 |
| schestowitz | > the starch out of PJ. | May 19 11:20 |
| schestowitz | MS is not the only threat anymore. Oracle and Apple are two more nuisance vectors... but TBH, it's more safe to one's career not to be a thorn on Ballmer's side (or Mono). | May 19 11:20 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: it's important | May 19 11:20 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: but GL does not cover it | May 19 11:20 |
| oiaohm | The catch is Oracle vs Google are setting the rules a lot of the other cases will be judged by long term. | May 19 12:24 |
| oiaohm | Particularly limiting damage figures. | May 19 12:24 |
| oiaohm | So out of order of importance the Oracle vs Google is the most. | May 19 12:25 |
| oiaohm | Motorola vs Microsoft is secondary. | May 19 12:25 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: thanks | May 19 13:02 |
| schestowitz | I read a bit into it | May 19 13:02 |
| schestowitz | MS Joe turns out to have done some propaganda there | May 19 13:02 |
| schestowitz | I will write a blog post about this soon | May 19 13:02 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: remember oracle lost the right to cliam billions of damages. | May 19 13:45 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: and its claims got restricted this changes all future patent deals. | May 19 13:45 |
| oiaohm | If motorala/google exploits it they might be able to buy unlimited usage of MS problem patent for a one off fee. | May 19 13:46 |
| oiaohm | Not what MS would want. | May 19 13:46 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ThistleWeb/status/203828171991298049?iid=am-66429244813374313979245367&nid=4+status_timestamp&uid=26603208 | May 19 13:54 |
| TechrightsSocial | @ThistleWeb: @schestowitz I'm increasingly wondering what the point of Magea is, and if they manage to lose everyone by the time they eventually release | May 19 13:54 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/93818880 | May 19 14:22 |
| TechrightsSocial | @Jose R Rodriguez (metztli)'s status on Saturday, 19-May-12 13:07:51 UTC - Identi.ca: ♺ @schestowitz #OpenFlow 1.3.0 Approved: nextGen of software defined networking, #IPv6, backbone tunneling,& QoS http://ur1.ca/99ie0 #cloud | May 19 14:22 |
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| schestowitz | XFaCE: qu1j0t3 http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/may/18/quebec-rocked-student-protests | May 19 16:19 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Quebec rocked by student protests | World news | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 111.04 KB | May 19 16:19 |
| schestowitz | new laws | May 19 16:19 |
| schestowitz | to forbid it | May 19 16:19 |
| schestowitz | harper style | May 19 16:19 |
| qu1j0t3 | ya | May 19 16:21 |
| qu1j0t3 | as expected | May 19 16:21 |
| qu1j0t3 | didn't uk make new laws after uncut? | May 19 16:22 |
| qu1j0t3 | if not, why not? | May 19 16:22 |
| schestowitz | after the august riots, yes | May 19 16:26 |
| schestowitz | but not explicit I think | May 19 16:27 |
| schestowitz | implicit plans | May 19 16:27 |
| qu1j0t3 | yes | May 19 16:55 |
| qu1j0t3 | as expected | May 19 16:55 |
| qu1j0t3 | :| | May 19 16:55 |
| schestowitz | "The ship may well sink... i don't suggest buying the shares !" https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1624912 | May 19 17:17 |
| TechrightsSocial | Not a Diaspora post? | May 19 17:18 |
| schestowitz | I'm sure the FBI would bail out FB ;-) | May 19 17:18 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1624840 | May 19 17:18 |
| TechrightsSocial | Not a Diaspora post? | May 19 17:18 |
| schestowitz | "Oh you've been a bad boy" | May 19 17:18 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1628902 | May 19 17:19 |
| TechrightsSocial | Not a Diaspora post? | May 19 17:19 |
| schestowitz | "Excellent picture" | May 19 17:19 |
| qu1j0t3 | Fb investors get what they deserve | May 19 17:24 |
| qu1j0t3 | :D | May 19 17:24 |
| qu1j0t3 | most of them think get rich quick ... the stock was massively shilled on the day: "Will probably double by the end of the day.. or beter!" | May 19 17:25 |
| qu1j0t3 | which did not happen. | May 19 17:25 |
| qu1j0t3 | a lot of people thought it would make their fortune in one day. | May 19 17:25 |
| qu1j0t3 | but as usual the only fortunes that were made were the brokers and Fuckerberg | May 19 17:25 |
| qu1j0t3 | and his plutocrat mates | May 19 17:25 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: the IPO solves Fuckerberg's tax problem. | May 19 17:25 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: that's not widely reportd | May 19 17:25 |
| schestowitz | oh, I see.. | May 19 17:27 |
| schestowitz | My dad made funny remarks about it | May 19 17:27 |
| schestowitz | about Apple too | May 19 17:27 |
| schestowitz | esp. after Jobs had died and the frenzy started | May 19 17:28 |
| qu1j0t3 | the only motive i've seen around is 'get rich quick - this will make my fortune' | May 19 17:30 |
| qu1j0t3 | anyone going in with that objective is going to be screwed | May 19 17:30 |
| qu1j0t3 | in favour of the plutocrats | May 19 17:31 |
| qu1j0t3 | the IPO is a way for them to convert | May 19 17:31 |
| qu1j0t3 | same as it was for Gates; it's the getaway car | May 19 17:31 |
| qu1j0t3 | but i'm having trouble sympathising with the public who think they can get rich buying Fb stock | May 19 17:31 |
| schestowitz | some people said it after Google's IPO | May 19 17:32 |
| schestowitz | but times were different back then | May 19 17:32 |
| qu1j0t3 | some people will make money on it | May 19 17:32 |
| qu1j0t3 | the ones who aren't stupid and hysterical | May 19 17:32 |
| qu1j0t3 | but in the end, it's only to make the rich richer | May 19 17:33 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/93823832 | May 19 18:00 |
| TechrightsSocial | @Mikael (inscius)'s status on Saturday, 19-May-12 16:56:30 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Microsoft communism ;) | May 19 18:00 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1629155 | May 19 18:14 |
| TechrightsSocial | Not a Diaspora post? | May 19 18:14 |
| schestowitz | "hannah montana !" | May 19 18:14 |
| schestowitz | "O_O :shocked" "For the love of god..." | May 19 18:14 |
| schestowitz | "Apartheid LInux? WTF?! Somebody got the idea behind Linux horribly wrong." | May 19 18:14 |
| schestowitz | https://eu.ixquick.com/do/metasearch.pl?query=tablets+uk+android | May 19 18:17 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: tablets uk android - Ixquick Web Search .::. Size~: 72.04 KB | May 19 18:18 |
| schestowitz | I need to buy a development one.. | May 19 18:18 |
| schestowitz | with good camera, too | May 19 18:18 |
| schestowitz | http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Search/searchTerms/ANDROID+TABLET.htm | May 19 18:19 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Results for ANDROID TABLET .::. Size~: 281.66 KB | May 19 18:19 |
| schestowitz | android 3.0+ | May 19 18:19 |
| schestowitz | http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/5072844/Trail/searchtext>ANDROID+TABLET.htm | May 19 18:20 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Buy Motorola Xoom 10.1 Inch Android Tablet With Wi-Fi - 32GB at Argos.co.uk - Your Online Shop for Tablet PCs, Tablet PCs. .::. Size~: 280.59 KB | May 19 18:20 |
| schestowitz | "The Motorola Xoom is the World's first Android 3.0 (Honeycomb) upgradeable to Android 4.0 (ICS) " | May 19 18:20 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Google can send me one.. | May 19 18:20 |
| schestowitz | Review average 5/5 | May 19 18:21 |
| schestowitz | > Roy, | May 19 18:25 |
| schestowitz | > The deal with the Technion is that iphones and mobiles for research have | May 19 18:25 |
| schestowitz | > to stay at the lab. | May 19 18:25 |
| schestowitz | > I do not even want to imagine the answer for shipping one to UK. We have | May 19 18:25 |
| schestowitz | > lots of those around. So when you are here there should be no problem. | May 19 18:25 |
| schestowitz | > Lets see if Ehud can het one from google. | May 19 18:25 |
| schestowitz | If Google can't provide one, then I can get one at my own expense. It | May 19 18:25 |
| schestowitz | needs to be a new(ish) API like 3.0. For one that can be upgraded up to | May 19 18:25 |
| schestowitz | 4.0 I can get a Xoom, e.g. | May 19 18:25 |
| schestowitz | http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/5072844/Trail/searchtext>ANDROID+TABLET.htm | May 19 18:25 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Buy Motorola Xoom 10.1 Inch Android Tablet With Wi-Fi - 32GB at Argos.co.uk - Your Online Shop for Tablet PCs, Tablet PCs. .::. Size~: 280.59 KB | May 19 18:25 |
| schestowitz | It's a tablet, but the apps are form factor-agnostic (more | May 19 18:25 |
| qu1j0t3 | people still deal with Israel? | May 19 18:25 |
| schestowitz | resolution-dependent. The processor ought to be good for testing. | May 19 18:25 |
| qu1j0t3 | BDS | May 19 18:25 |
| schestowitz | For the Android stuff, yes... | May 19 18:26 |
| qu1j0t3 | ugh | May 19 18:26 |
| qu1j0t3 | there's a bigger ethical problem there than microsoft | May 19 18:26 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | May 19 18:26 |
| schestowitz | I might visit that lab some time this year.. | May 19 18:26 |
| qu1j0t3 | at least MS isn't _directly_ conducting genocide | May 19 18:27 |
| schestowitz | that's generalisation, too | May 19 18:27 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: i wouldn't hesitate to refuse. | May 19 18:27 |
| schestowitz | can accuse US citizens of similar things | May 19 18:27 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: they're no better than South Africa during apartheid. | May 19 18:27 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: yes. | May 19 18:27 |
| schestowitz | it's a magnitude issue | May 19 18:27 |
| schestowitz | and cultural | May 19 18:28 |
| qu1j0t3 | not for me | May 19 18:28 |
| qu1j0t3 | i wouldn't go there | May 19 18:28 |
| qu1j0t3 | period. | May 19 18:28 |
| qu1j0t3 | or deal | May 19 18:28 |
| qu1j0t3 | how else will it ever be resolved? | May 19 18:28 |
| qu1j0t3 | BDS is a fair way to proceed | May 19 18:28 |
| schestowitz | boycotts | May 19 18:28 |
| qu1j0t3 | that's the 'B' | May 19 18:28 |
| qu1j0t3 | D = divestment | May 19 18:28 |
| schestowitz | what's DS? | May 19 18:28 |
| qu1j0t3 | S = sanctions | May 19 18:28 |
| schestowitz | well, won't happen in Canada | May 19 18:29 |
| qu1j0t3 | not on a Federal level, no. | May 19 18:29 |
| qu1j0t3 | but on a personal level, it will :) | May 19 18:29 |
| schestowitz | there's a serious problems with racism there too | May 19 18:29 |
| qu1j0t3 | which is all we can really do | May 19 18:29 |
| schestowitz | religious fanaticism can lead to it | May 19 18:29 |
| schestowitz | or rather, provide excuse or cushion to that | May 19 18:29 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: i'd be surprised if you go | May 19 18:29 |
| schestowitz | I went in the past | May 19 18:29 |
| qu1j0t3 | we're running out of time to act | May 19 18:30 |
| schestowitz | when I talk I rile people up :-) | May 19 18:30 |
| qu1j0t3 | they're trying to delay any action | May 19 18:30 |
| schestowitz | it can be fun | May 19 18:30 |
| qu1j0t3 | until they're finished | May 19 18:30 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: that could be very dangerous there | May 19 18:30 |
| schestowitz | but you'd be surprised | May 19 18:30 |
| schestowitz | it's a bit Bush-like | May 19 18:30 |
| schestowitz | you can't assume national policy is accepted by the majority of people | May 19 18:30 |
| qu1j0t3 | it's not a risk i'd take -- remember the Flotilla? | May 19 18:30 |
| schestowitz | politics is not directed by will of the people | May 19 18:30 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: it doesn't matter, when the people are ignorant | May 19 18:31 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: bush was RE-elected | May 19 18:31 |
| schestowitz | it's just completely disjoint | May 19 18:31 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | May 19 18:31 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: so was Harper | May 19 18:31 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: and John Howard | May 19 18:31 |
| schestowitz | and carried on bad things, AND then Obama | May 19 18:31 |
| qu1j0t3 | AFTER all the crimes | May 19 18:31 |
| qu1j0t3 | sure... Obama. | May 19 18:31 |
| qu1j0t3 | oh boy. | May 19 18:31 |
| schestowitz | Because people are too dumb to realise the Obama choice was a fake choice | May 19 18:31 |
| schestowitz | But more people realise this | May 19 18:31 |
| schestowitz | and they start protests | May 19 18:31 |
| qu1j0t3 | not enough | May 19 18:31 |
| schestowitz | then the govt;. uses "External enemy " distraction | May 19 18:32 |
| schestowitz | distraction from class war right now is "Iran" | May 19 18:32 |
| schestowitz | "Go home" | May 19 18:32 |
| schestowitz | "Stop causing a riot" | May 19 18:32 |
| schestowitz | "You help the enemy" | May 19 18:32 |
| schestowitz | "We need strong leader" | May 19 18:32 |
| schestowitz | It's the same old BS | May 19 18:32 |
| schestowitz | Actually, informing the population can help more than other means sometimes | May 19 18:33 |
| schestowitz | first, get people to stop voting and occupy the streets instead | May 19 18:33 |
| schestowitz | civil disobedience | May 19 18:33 |
| schestowitz | with outside coordination of sorts | May 19 18:33 |
| qu1j0t3 | https://twitter.com/#!/studentactivism/status/203574202966609920 | May 19 18:33 |
| TechrightsSocial | @studentactivism: Under #loi78 a Quebec student federation could face a $250,000 fine for handing out pieces of red fabric. http://t.co/c0rsCTls | May 19 18:33 |
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| schestowitz | what does the red represent? | May 19 18:34 |
| schestowitz | anyway, the solution is to empower the people against the leaders | May 19 18:34 |
| schestowitz | like in Egypt | May 19 18:34 |
| schestowitz | It weakens those whom boycotts can't hurt | May 19 18:34 |
| schestowitz | the rich won't mind losing some income | May 19 18:34 |
| schestowitz | and actually, the boycotts you speak of can harm the Palestinians, whom Israel exploits for production of farming goods | May 19 18:35 |
| schestowitz | What you really want is to help people rise against the BS | May 19 18:35 |
| schestowitz | The ultra-religious core, inc. the Nazionists | May 19 18:35 |
| schestowitz | "settlers" etc. | May 19 18:35 |
| schestowitz | Is the population repels and ostracises the racist elements, then civility prevails | May 19 18:36 |
| qu1j0t3 | https://twitter.com/#!/davewiner/status/203479932448419841 | May 19 18:37 |
| TechrightsSocial | @davewiner: Zuck is probably worried that coders who have their first $20 million will stop coding. Lots of them do, btw. http://t.co/2Qd6oody | May 19 18:37 |
| TechrightsSocial | -> Title: Today Is Just the End of the Beginning for Mark Zuckerberg | PandoDaily .::. Size~: 89.87 KB | May 19 18:37 |
| qu1j0t3 | boycotts will work. | May 19 18:37 |
| qu1j0t3 | the problem is, not tried. | May 19 18:37 |
| schestowitz | Didn'r work so well so far, I think | May 19 18:38 |
| qu1j0t3 | hasn't been tried. | May 19 18:38 |
| schestowitz | Some of my ancestry was supposedly "Semite", so I can influence some people on grounds of reason without being labeled "anti-Semite" | May 19 18:38 |
| qu1j0t3 | in any case, we can examine what solved the South African problem | May 19 18:38 |
| schestowitz | Set up a blog exposing the ringleaders | May 19 18:38 |
| qu1j0t3 | what solved that? | May 19 18:38 |
| schestowitz | Whose who do the crimes and mislead people about them (the population) | May 19 18:38 |
| qu1j0t3 | there are one thousand blogs 'exposing the ringleaders'. it doens't work!!!!!!!! | May 19 18:38 |
| qu1j0t3 | it doesn't work because the mass media is owned by the problem!!!!!! | May 19 18:39 |
| schestowitz | Not all of it | May 19 18:39 |
| qu1j0t3 | that's also why boycotts can't get off the ground. | May 19 18:39 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: 99% of it. | May 19 18:39 |
| schestowitz | almost | May 19 18:39 |
| qu1j0t3 | who cares? | May 19 18:39 |
| schestowitz | the rest of done not by broadcast | May 19 18:39 |
| qu1j0t3 | the problem is it's owned. | May 19 18:39 |
| qu1j0t3 | and nobody can do anything. | May 19 18:39 |
| schestowitz | but by peer communication | May 19 18:39 |
| qu1j0t3 | we won't save the palestinians. | May 19 18:39 |
| schestowitz | you just need to seed the knowledge | May 19 18:39 |
| qu1j0t3 | we'll own that failure, same as iraq. | May 19 18:39 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: it's not working. | May 19 18:39 |
| schestowitz | I think it does | May 19 18:39 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: and it's /certainly/ not working fast enough. | May 19 18:40 |
| schestowitz | compared to decades ago | May 19 18:40 |
| schestowitz | the Net helps, too | May 19 18:40 |
| schestowitz | people can find out opposing opinion | May 19 18:40 |
| qu1j0t3 | South Africa apartheid ENDED wihtout the net, schestowitz | May 19 18:40 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: How? | May 19 18:40 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: how did South Africa get fixed? | May 19 18:40 |
| schestowitz | Until or unless there's political net censorship | May 19 18:40 |
| qu1j0t3 | https://twitter.com/#!/JohnDCook/status/203462469480484865 | May 19 18:40 |
| TechrightsSocial | @JohnDCook: OH: "Why is Facebook going public? They couldn't figure out the privacy settings either." | May 19 18:40 |
| schestowitz | you want to say boycott | May 19 18:40 |
| schestowitz | I'm not sure, I don't know the whole history | May 19 18:40 |
| schestowitz | it might be misattributed | May 19 18:41 |
| schestowitz | li the whole Arab Spring wikileaks/facebook/food prices thing | May 19 18:41 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: i don't know if boycotts fixed South Africa. | May 19 18:41 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: but noboyd is taking _any_ action on Israel. | May 19 18:41 |
| schestowitz | each side claims victory | May 19 18:41 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: we will fail. and it will be our fault. like iraq. | May 19 18:41 |
| schestowitz | depends WHAT action | May 19 18:41 |
| qu1j0t3 | https://twitter.com/#!/sabokitty/status/203624727418380288 | May 19 18:41 |
| TechrightsSocial | @sabokitty: "In week #Obama received the Nobel Peace Prize in 2009, he ordered bombing attacks on #Yemen, killing 63 people, 28 children." #nonato #nato | May 19 18:41 |
| schestowitz | academia there is rarely the calalyst for violence | May 19 18:41 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: Chomsky. | May 19 18:41 |
| schestowitz | in fact, that's where opposition to the consensus is thriving | May 19 18:42 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: we can ask Chomsky what fixed South Africa. | May 19 18:42 |
| schestowitz | to the extent where academics are daemonised | May 19 18:42 |
| schestowitz | based on surveys | May 19 18:42 |
| schestowitz | there was one last year | May 19 18:42 |
| schestowitz | and it's an intl' phenomenon | May 19 18:42 |
| schestowitz | Academics are not so patriotic, they think, they don't act like cattle or tribes | May 19 18:42 |
| schestowitz | Chomsky wasn't involved in it | May 19 18:42 |
| schestowitz | he was more into the Vietnam stuff | May 19 18:43 |
| schestowitz | ask a SA export | May 19 18:43 |
| schestowitz | *expert | May 19 18:43 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/opinion/how-free-is-academic-freedom/article2430167/ | May 19 18:43 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: How free is academic freedom? - The Globe and Mail .::. Size~: 101.53 KB | May 19 18:43 |
| qu1j0t3 | Chomsky will have an opinion on South Africa. | May 19 18:43 |
| schestowitz | sure, there are limits to it | May 19 18:43 |
| schestowitz | people from there whom I spoke to are easily influenced | May 19 18:44 |
| schestowitz | to challenge the BS | May 19 18:44 |
| schestowitz | and it passes | May 19 18:44 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: RT this..... https://twitter.com/#!/morelikewater/status/202474609277288449 | May 19 18:46 |
| TechrightsSocial | @morelikewater: YOU IDIOTS. I DON'T WANT TO PICK AND CHOOSE HEALTHCARE PROVIDERS TO FIND THE BEST SERVICE. ITS A HEALTH SERVICE NOT F***ING AMAZON. #NHS | May 19 18:46 |
| schestowitz | Boycotts can be a blanker thing | May 19 18:47 |
| schestowitz | unlike against a corporation | May 19 18:47 |
| schestowitz | collective punishment against collective punishment | May 19 18:47 |
| schestowitz | When I call for Novell boycott, then it's against people who /chose/ to be at Novell | May 19 18:47 |
| schestowitz | !google nobody is born a microsoft employee | May 19 18:47 |
| TechrightsSocial | [1] - Bill Gates - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Gates | May 19 18:47 |
| TechrightsSocial | [2] - Average Compensation For Federal Workers Now Matches ... | http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/average-compensation-federal-workers-now-matches-microsoft-employees_618718.html | May 19 18:47 |
| TechrightsSocial | [3] - Hundreds Threaten Suicide At Microsoft Supplier Plant In China ... | http://seattle.cbslocal.com/2012/01/10/hundreds-threaten-suicide-at-microsoft-supplier-plant-in-china/ | May 19 18:47 |
| TechrightsSocial | [4] - History Of Csharp | http://c2.com/cgi/wiki%3FHistoryOfCsharp | May 19 18:47 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | May 19 18:47 |
| schestowitz | spammer for Gates | May 19 18:47 |
| schestowitz | by his PR agents, no idea why it's #1 result | May 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, I wrote a post with the said title | May 19 18:48 |
| schestowitz | after Shuttleworth had compared being against MS to racism | May 19 18:48 |
| MinceR | what, being against criminals is like racism now? | May 19 18:49 |
| qu1j0t3 | MinceR: yes! criminals deserve equality! | May 19 18:49 |
| MinceR | do you have a link to that statement by shuttleworth? | May 19 18:50 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: this is sort of interesting re: academic independence. http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorialopinion/article/1172824--high-tech-millionaire-jim-balsillie-can-t-give-his-money-away | May 19 18:50 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: High-tech millionaire Jim Balsillie can’t give his money away - thestar.com .::. Size~: 96.28 KB | May 19 18:50 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2010/02/17/choice-versus-condition/ | May 19 18:50 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Nobody is Born a Microsoft Employee | Techrights .::. Size~: 117.6 KB | May 19 18:50 |
| schestowitz | " | May 19 18:51 |
| schestowitz | I’m also quite disappointed to see Mr. Shuttleworth break out this: | May 19 18:51 |
| schestowitz | I think it is as wrong to demonise the people who work at a company as it is to demonise people of a particular colour, nationality or other demographic | May 19 18:51 |
| schestowitz | " | May 19 18:51 |
| schestowitz | " | May 19 18:51 |
| schestowitz | Excepting the very top-level executives – people who are personally responsible for Microsoft’s actions – I question the premise that anyone is demonising people who simply work at Microsoft. Criticism of Microsoft as an entity is most certainly not demonising its workers. | May 19 18:51 |
| schestowitz | I draw special attention to this point because it is a 2-for-1 fallacy: not only is the premise incorrect, but if it were true the converse would be true – yet the converse is never acknowledged. | May 19 18:51 |
| schestowitz | " | May 19 18:51 |
| MinceR | yes, because people choose color just like they choose to apply for a job | May 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | http://www.the-source.com/2010/02/shuttleworth-on-microsoft/ | May 19 18:52 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Shuttleworth on Microsoft « The-Source.com .::. Size~: 39.9 KB | May 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: exactly my point | May 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | people don't choose where to be either | May 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | some can move | May 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | people don't usually choose a religion | May 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | religion is a complicated one | May 19 18:52 |
| schestowitz | it's a bit like skin colour | May 19 18:53 |
| schestowitz | for environmental reasons | May 19 18:53 |
| schestowitz | imprinting and peer pressure | May 19 18:53 |
| schestowitz | but job is a mature thing | May 19 18:53 |
| MinceR | yeah, youth brainwashing is difficult to get rid of | May 19 18:53 |
| schestowitz | people don't apply for jobs on truly idealogical or geographical reasons, not much of the time, | May 19 18:53 |
| schestowitz | you can make a goose follow a human | May 19 18:53 |
| schestowitz | if shortly after birth you do some imprinting | May 19 18:54 |
| schestowitz | material instincts gone awry | May 19 18:54 |
| MinceR | it's an interesting way for shuttleworthless to confirm that canonical indeed trying to become the new m$ | May 19 18:55 |
| schestowitz | or rather, that he makes excuses for MS' behaviour | May 19 18:56 |
| MinceR | perhaps because he has plans to engage in the same | May 19 18:56 |
| schestowitz | "plans"? | May 19 18:56 |
| MinceR | why apologize for a criminal that does one only harm? | May 19 18:56 |
| schestowitz | the problem is, he too evades tax | May 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | Isle of Man | May 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | So some of MS' 'legalised' crime he follows already | May 19 18:57 |
| MinceR | i think that's the least of the problems here | May 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | same playbook | May 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | betraying partners | May 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | gnome/fedora/redhat | May 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | forking gnome | May 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | then the settings panel | May 19 18:57 |
| schestowitz | because it can make canonical stronger | May 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | not much kernel upstreaming | May 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | debian do lots of the server dev | May 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | and then rebadge it "ubuntu server" and put some purple shades on it to sell it with proprietary fonts and a "design team" | May 19 18:58 |
| schestowitz | linsu** circle-jerk: https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1629787 | May 19 19:10 |
| TechrightsSocial | Not a Diaspora post? | May 19 19:10 |
| schestowitz | "I don't trust your website, Roy. You fail to provide sources for a great deal of your articles." | May 19 19:10 |
| schestowitz | "@HONEST ANNIE: http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/789019/000119312511200680/d10k.htm " | May 19 19:11 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Form 10-K .::. Size~: 1806.53 KB | May 19 19:11 |
| schestowitz | How pertinent the details LOL | May 19 19:11 |
| schestowitz | I provide links | May 19 19:11 |
| schestowitz | but Microsoft provides no links, just its own claims | May 19 19:11 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: anyway, I was gonna try to see if that lab had the connection to get me a free tablet | May 19 19:19 |
| schestowitz | right now I get a crappy camera preview emulator | May 19 19:19 |
| schestowitz | http://www.google.co.uk/search?tbm=isch&hl=en&gbv=1&gs_l=img.3..0i24l5.1165.3592.0.4150.17.14.0.3.3.0.172.1256.7j5.12.0...0.0.tsxRC3zTtxw&oq=android++camera+emulator&aq=f&aqi=g-S2&q=android%20camera%20emulator | May 19 19:19 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: android camera emulator - Google Search .::. Size~: 64.08 KB | May 19 19:19 |
| schestowitz | Checkerboard and bouncing ball | May 19 19:19 |
| schestowitz | One of the guys in that lab works with Google/for Google, so I checked to see if he can have them assign a device for a developer | May 19 19:20 |
| schestowitz | the SDK Google helped put on top of Eclipse is actually very cool | May 19 19:20 |
| schestowitz | and easy to work with | May 19 19:20 |
| schestowitz | http://opencv.itseez.com/doc/tutorials/imgproc/histograms/template_matching/template_matching.html | May 19 19:32 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Template Matching — OpenCV v2.4.0 documentation .::. Size~: 40.07 KB | May 19 19:32 |
| schestowitz | opencv template matching.. | May 19 19:32 |
| MinceR | http://media.caglecartoons.com/media/cartoons/34/2012/02/03/105670_600.jpg | May 19 20:14 |
| TechrightsSocial | Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type | May 19 20:14 |
| MinceR | http://media.caglecartoons.com/media/cartoons/20/2012/05/17/111943_600.jpg | May 19 20:15 |
| TechrightsSocial | Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type | May 19 20:15 |
| schestowitz | cool | May 19 20:23 |
| schestowitz | > Usually Image quality for tablets is somewhat inferior to smartphones. This the case in apple products. Don't know about samsung ... | May 19 20:33 |
| schestowitz | the opencv people are cool... | May 19 20:34 |
| schestowitz | [20:20] <schestowitz> what's the cvLoadImage equiv in opencv for android? | May 19 20:34 |
| schestowitz | [20:21] <schestowitz> I use Mat as IplImage is not recognised as a type in Java | May 19 20:34 |
| schestowitz | [20:22] <schestowitz> but what method loads an image from a file? I searched the web for like half an hour... | May 19 20:34 |
| schestowitz | [20:23] <Trudko> did u try mailing list? | May 19 20:34 |
| schestowitz | [20:23] <Trudko> or the documentation which is with opencv for android? not sure if its there | May 19 20:34 |
| schestowitz | [20:23] <schestowitz> not yet, I thought someone might pull a quick answer offhand | May 19 20:34 |
| schestowitz | [20:24] <schestowitz> I have documentation only for the C++ stuff (Agam IIRC) | May 19 20:34 |
| schestowitz | [20:25] <berak> schestowitz: for Mats ( and c++) it's imread ( but no idea about the corresponding java/android binding ) | May 19 20:34 |
| schestowitz | [20:26] <Trudko> hi berak :D still strugling with my App but its better heh :) I want to try euclidean Histogram intersection distance which I found that it should be better than euclidian http://scien.stanford.edu/pages/labsite/2002/psych221/projects/02/sojeong/ | May 19 20:34 |
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| schestowitz | [20:26] <schestowitz> mostly a big lump of stuff, willow garage didn't do one cohesive set of docs... http://sourceforge.net/projects/opencvlibrary/files/opencv-android/2.4.0/ | May 19 20:34 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Open Computer Vision Library - Browse /opencv-android/2.4.0 at SourceForge.net .::. Size~: 22.12 KB | May 19 20:34 |
| schestowitz | [20:26] <schestowitz> berak: thanks, I have read the Mat sources | May 19 20:34 |
| schestowitz | [20:27] <Trudko> schestowitz, by any chance to do you have more info about computer vision on adrnoid I am doing school project about that. I found only OpenCv JavaCv(which seesm like just wrapper for OpenCv), Fast CV and maybe Augement R. if I can count that too. | May 19 20:34 |
| schestowitz | [20:28] <schestowitz> sometimes I just need to find the right class under which the old function names reside... like matchTemplate | May 19 20:34 |
| schestowitz | [20:28] <schestowitz> OpenCV on Android is very cool and pleasant to work with on Eclipse | May 19 20:34 |
| schestowitz | [20:28] <schestowitz> They provide some nice tutorials and samples with it | May 19 20:34 |
| schestowitz | [20:29] <berak> Trudko, pretty late for me(today), but i'll have a look at it ;) | May 19 20:34 |
| schestowitz | [20:29] <schestowitz> but I need to buy a tablet for the camera, emulation is not enough for CV stuff | May 19 20:34 |
| schestowitz | [20:29] <Trudko> berak you sir are awesome! | May 19 20:34 |
| schestowitz |  | May 19 20:34 |
| schestowitz | [20:29] <Trudko> schestowitz, gl I choose computer vision for school project but It seems I will take a look on it afterwards too | May 19 20:34 |
| schestowitz | [20:33] <schestowitz> android dev skills are valuable these days, worth trying http://sourceforge.net/projects/opencvlibrary/files/opencv-android/2.4.0/ | May 19 20:34 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Open Computer Vision Library - Browse /opencv-android/2.4.0 at SourceForge.net .::. Size~: 22.03 KB | May 19 20:34 |
| schestowitz | [20:33] <schestowitz> I use this as a postdoc for implementing some ideas | May 19 20:34 |
| schestowitz | [20:35] <Trudko> and what do u work on? | May 19 20:49 |
| schestowitz | [20:37] <schestowitz> in util.Java I found bitmapToMat | May 19 20:49 |
| schestowitz | [20:38] <schestowitz> But still no file opened for Bitmap | May 19 20:49 |
| schestowitz | [20:38] <schestowitz> Trudko: car nevigation stuff | May 19 20:49 |
| schestowitz | [20:38] <schestowitz> *navigation | May 19 20:49 |
| schestowitz |  | May 19 20:50 |
| schestowitz | [20:38] <Trudko> sounds great | May 19 20:50 |
| schestowitz | http://code.opencv.org/projects/opencv/wiki/Android_Release_Notes * OpenCV Mat to Android Bitmap conversion and vice versa is supported only for ARGB_8888 Bitmap and CV_8UC4 Mat formats. | May 19 21:23 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: OpenCV - Android Release Notes - OpenCV DevZone .::. Size~: 15.07 KB | May 19 21:23 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1629917 "Uh, Walmart...Bad. Very bad." | May 19 21:55 |
| TechrightsSocial | Not a Diaspora post? | May 19 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Last night I went with a professor friend for dinner; I also met him this morning and will meet tomorrow. We're starting a company perhaps. | May 19 22:51 |
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