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| qU1j0t3 | schestowitz: https://twitter.com/herbkim/status/208863002991136768 | Jun 02 12:40 |
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| TechrightsSocial | @herbkim: Brilliant column by Economist Paul Krugman - http://t.co/UFNYWRqM - the not-so-hidden agenda behind Osborne's austerity drive | Jun 02 12:40 |
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| schestowitz | formic_: remember the Everything is OK guy? | Jun 02 13:37 |
| schestowitz | The one from YouTube? | Jun 02 13:38 |
| schestowitz | I've just met him, he wants to hook uo.. | Jun 02 13:38 |
| schestowitz | quote: | Jun 02 13:39 |
| schestowitz | > We decided to go to City | Jun 02 13:39 |
| schestowitz | > Centre to buy some squash shoes and so we went to some shops in town and | Jun 02 13:39 |
| schestowitz | > had a look. I carried on walking with Mark when suddenly I saw this | Jun 02 13:39 |
| schestowitz | > famous British activists whom I followed closely for 3 years. He's | Jun 02 13:39 |
| schestowitz | > usually around London and all sorts of places around the world. He's | Jun 02 13:39 |
| schestowitz | > really quite cool and well known (to millions). So I let Mark carry on | Jun 02 13:39 |
| schestowitz | > in his way home and told him I wanted to talk to this activist, Charlie, | Jun 02 13:39 |
| schestowitz | > if only just to thank of for what he does. He was surrounded by a crowd | Jun 02 13:39 |
| schestowitz | > with about 5 cameras pointing at him. When I stopped nearly he stopped | Jun 02 13:39 |
| schestowitz | > talking and said something, "I like this person who has jus stopped | Jun 02 13:39 |
| schestowitz | > here" and then he walked up to me. I never met him in person. Then I | Jun 02 13:40 |
| schestowitz | > told him I knew who he was and explained to him my own work; he was | Jun 02 13:40 |
| schestowitz | > fascinated and now that he lives around Manchester he wants to hook up | Jun 02 13:40 |
| schestowitz | > with me. So I'm gonna contact him shortly. Maybe I'll meet him somewhere | Jun 02 13:40 |
| schestowitz | > around here. | Jun 02 13:40 |
| schestowitz | He has a new g/f now.. | Jun 02 13:40 |
| schestowitz | So he lives in Swinton | Jun 02 13:40 |
| schestowitz | How useful | Jun 02 13:40 |
| schestowitz | I only recognised his voice in the street | Jun 02 13:40 |
| schestowitz | Just mailed him like he asked me to... | Jun 02 13:41 |
| schestowitz | "It's Roy, the guy whom you met at City Centre. I recalled later on that I had mailed you about a year ago when I found out Danny was kept track of by the Met, knowing quite well that the only reason we don't know if the same applies to you is that we haven't seen the evidence yet. I have followed your work since 2009" | Jun 02 13:41 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: really the UEFI stuff could be the best thing for Linux. | Jun 02 14:35 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: Now Linux world will serousally have to look for own platforms. | Jun 02 14:35 |
| MinceR | and that's a good thing? | Jun 02 14:37 |
| MinceR | being exiled from one of the major platforms? | Jun 02 14:38 |
| *qU1j0t3 scratches head | Jun 02 14:39 | |
| MinceR | also, why isn't there an antitrust lawsuit going on against m$ yet because of uefi restricted boot? | Jun 02 14:50 |
| MinceR | what a fucked up fascist world we live in | Jun 02 14:50 |
| schestowitz | xactly | Jun 02 14:51 |
| qU1j0t3 | +1000 | Jun 02 14:58 |
| qU1j0t3 | meanwhile redhat pays them for the privilege of being able to boot | Jun 02 14:58 |
| qU1j0t3 | another income stream from the criminal racket | Jun 02 14:58 |
| MinceR | yup | Jun 02 14:59 |
| MinceR | though the original article now says verisign got the $99 | Jun 02 14:59 |
| MinceR | still, it's suspect | Jun 02 14:59 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: is x86 a good platform. | Jun 02 15:07 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: reality from power usage and design is not that good. | Jun 02 15:08 |
| MinceR | well, it has many flaws and leftover crud, but it's really powerful | Jun 02 15:08 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure if there currently are other platforms that can match it in CPU power and available GPU power. | Jun 02 15:08 |
| oiaohm | tile can | Jun 02 15:09 |
| *MinceR reads up on tile | Jun 02 15:09 | |
| oiaohm | there are many 100 core systems out there. | Jun 02 15:09 |
| oiaohm | tile is only one. | Jun 02 15:09 |
| MinceR | are they competitive in prices as well? | Jun 02 15:09 |
| MinceR | are they available in mobile versions? | Jun 02 15:09 |
| MinceR | what GPU can be used on the TILE platform? | Jun 02 15:10 |
| MinceR | also, WP says their max. clock rate is 900 MHz. doesn't that limit its power in certain applications? | Jun 02 15:10 |
| oiaohm | Any that go into pci express with open source drivers. | Jun 02 15:10 |
| oiaohm | tile big problem is lack of floating point. | Jun 02 15:11 |
| MinceR | ic | Jun 02 15:11 |
| oiaohm | But there are a few other 100 core mips with floating point that are more flexable | Jun 02 15:11 |
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| oiaohm | And faster | Jun 02 15:11 |
| oiaohm | Basically the chips to kick x86 but exist. | Jun 02 15:12 |
| oiaohm | But need volume to get price down. | Jun 02 15:12 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/94237711 | Jun 02 15:12 |
| TechrightsSocial | @Jose R Rodriguez (metztli)'s status on Saturday, 02-Jun-12 13:55:23 UTC - Identi.ca: Despite PR spin, #Microsoft's as malicious as ever against !Linux: !RedHat on its Knees To Get Past #UEFI Restrictions http://ur1.ca/9fgp9 | Jun 02 15:12 |
| TechrightsSocial | -> Title: Microsoft Takes Up a Notch Effort to Tax and Control Linux | Techrights .::. Size~: 87.45 KB | Jun 02 15:12 |
| MinceR | should we expect the uefi fuckup to give it the volume to do that? | Jun 02 15:12 |
| oiaohm | Allwinner doing 1.1-1.5 Ghz duel cores will gain. | Jun 02 15:13 |
| schestowitz | Didn't Canonical also participate in the Red Hat response to UEFI? | Jun 02 15:13 |
| schestowitz | wouldn't shock me if MarkS also pays MS to just say "a-ok" to UEFI and be able to boot its "pesky little OS"| | Jun 02 15:14 |
| qU1j0t3 | right | Jun 02 15:14 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Ubuntu Debian Fedora SUSE has put more focus into cross arch support. | Jun 02 15:15 |
| oiaohm | Ubuntu started multi-arch push in the debian world | Jun 02 15:15 |
| oiaohm | As response to UEFI | Jun 02 15:15 |
| MinceR | well, ARM is certainly on the rise, but will there be desktop/laptop machines built on ARM that will match high-end x86 machines in power? | Jun 02 15:16 |
| oiaohm | If we see engery cards that will be used in server on desktop yes. | Jun 02 15:17 |
| oiaohm | 16 core 1.1 to 1.4 ghz arm cards. | Jun 02 15:17 |
| oiaohm | 32 bit at this stage | Jun 02 15:17 |
| oiaohm | With upgrade to 64 bit coming. | Jun 02 15:17 |
| MinceR | seems like some applications will still suffer if it's only 1.4 GHz per core | Jun 02 15:17 |
| oiaohm | Be aware a 1.4 ghz arm is not exactly slow. | Jun 02 15:18 |
| oiaohm | arm run at a very stable speed. | Jun 02 15:18 |
| MinceR | i suspect that compared to some i7-s, it is | Jun 02 15:18 |
| oiaohm | In fact its interesting. | Jun 02 15:19 |
| oiaohm | Some workloads are slower on a i7 than a 1.4 ghz arm. | Jun 02 15:19 |
| MinceR | well yes, and some workloads can be parallelized well, so they'll fly on 16 cores | Jun 02 15:19 |
| oiaohm | So some applications will be hurt and some will be boost. | Jun 02 15:19 |
| oiaohm | No I am not talking parallelized | Jun 02 15:19 |
| MinceR | i'm worried about the ones that will be significantly faster on x86 | Jun 02 15:20 |
| oiaohm | I am talking single thread different. | Jun 02 15:20 |
| MinceR | i know | Jun 02 15:20 |
| oiaohm | x86 translation to internal code is not really that nice. | Jun 02 15:20 |
| MinceR | i'm aware of that | Jun 02 15:20 |
| oiaohm | As arm dia size reduces it speed is lifting. | Jun 02 15:21 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: http://hexus.net/tech/news/cpu/38817-arm-cortex-a9-chip-runs-comfortably-3ghz/ | Jun 02 15:22 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: ARM Cortex-A9 chip runs comfortably at over 3GHz - CPU - News - HEXUS.net .::. Size~: 41.5 KB | Jun 02 15:22 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: That is the 64 bit versions | Jun 02 15:22 |
| MinceR | well that's really nice | Jun 02 15:22 |
| oiaohm | Engnery card with 4 quad cores of that. | Jun 02 15:23 |
| MinceR | if they can pair it up with a powerful GPU and avoid other snags, it would be a nice alternative to x86 PCs | Jun 02 15:23 |
| MinceR | if someone will build them | Jun 02 15:23 |
| oiaohm | Engerycard is also very creative. | Jun 02 15:23 |
| oiaohm | Each cpu on the card boots individually. | Jun 02 15:24 |
| oiaohm | So can operate fully isolated from each other. | Jun 02 15:24 |
| oiaohm | Add in wayland with frame buffer control. | Jun 02 15:24 |
| oiaohm | Then you can have flush away envorments after use for internet or the like and keep on running. | Jun 02 15:25 |
| MinceR | is it really spelled "engery"? | Jun 02 15:25 |
| MinceR | (i'm trying to look it up) | Jun 02 15:25 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: http://www.calxeda.com/products/energycards | Jun 02 15:26 |
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| MinceR | thanks | Jun 02 15:26 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: yes scary is 16 sata ports. | Jun 02 15:27 |
| oiaohm | Yes some of this arm tech they get the clock speeds up heven help x86 | Jun 02 15:28 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: http://www.ziilabs.com/products/processors/zms40.php | Jun 02 15:30 |
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| oiaohm | few more generations of tech for android and its will be desktop as well. | Jun 02 15:32 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: can you see why now see UEFI being locked on on x86 we might end up looking back as a good thing. | Jun 02 15:36 |
| MinceR | well, it could be, but i'm not sure how likely it is | Jun 02 15:37 |
| oiaohm | I would say more how. | Jun 02 15:39 |
| oiaohm | We will have the energycards and stuff like it used in the server rooms. | Jun 02 15:39 |
| oiaohm | So that is going to be produced in huge volumes. | Jun 02 15:40 |
| MinceR | yeah, i guess then someone might afford to start building it into personal computers | Jun 02 15:40 |
| oiaohm | We are going to have items like the padphone from the android fighting the netbook and notebook market. | Jun 02 15:40 |
| oiaohm | So its basically a case of low end and high end with x86 in the middle. | Jun 02 15:41 |
| oiaohm | Question is what one will consume the middle. | Jun 02 15:41 |
| oiaohm | Its not like android devices are going to get less powerful. | Jun 02 15:42 |
| oiaohm | UEFI lock out why x86 is coming under attack from both sides is not a healthy move. | Jun 02 15:43 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: only risk is if windows 8 some how takes off on arm. | Jun 02 15:45 |
| MinceR | which is extremely unlikely | Jun 02 15:45 |
| schestowitz | ya never know.. | Jun 02 15:45 |
| schestowitz | they pull dirty tricks | Jun 02 15:45 |
| MinceR | then again, hypePhones were unbelievably crap and people still bought them | Jun 02 15:45 |
| MinceR | for twice the price of a smartphone | Jun 02 15:45 |
| oiaohm | Really google android still lacks a common dock | Jun 02 15:46 |
| MinceR | what's that? | Jun 02 15:46 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: that is why iphone did so well. | Jun 02 15:47 |
| MinceR | the physical connector? | Jun 02 15:47 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: people walk into shop and look at the number of devices they can plug into it. | Jun 02 15:47 |
| MinceR | android devices tend to have standard microusb. | Jun 02 15:47 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | Jun 02 15:48 |
| MinceR | many of them can even function as a host. | Jun 02 15:48 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: standard usb and audio ports on different locations on the device. | Jun 02 15:48 |
| oiaohm | Same with hdmi ports. | Jun 02 15:48 |
| oiaohm | Its androids one defect. | Jun 02 15:48 |
| MinceR | they could use cables, like any reasonable person would. | Jun 02 15:48 |
| oiaohm | Its look | Jun 02 15:49 |
| MinceR | i think crApple's proprietary connector is only a disadvantage. | Jun 02 15:49 |
| oiaohm | To anyone who not that computer skilled. | Jun 02 15:49 |
| oiaohm | Apples connector gave Apple a market advanage. | Jun 02 15:49 |
| oiaohm | To a rough look. | Jun 02 15:49 |
| oiaohm | I have done surveys asking people why they bough an iphone. | Jun 02 15:50 |
| oiaohm | Number one is they though it had more attachments. | Jun 02 15:50 |
| MinceR | which leads back to my earlier point, "people are stupid and will buy any sort of crap." :> | Jun 02 15:50 |
| oiaohm | android has not branded a lot of attachments as compadible either. | Jun 02 15:51 |
| oiaohm | Little things are important basically. | Jun 02 15:51 |
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| MinceR | http://www.reddit.com/tb/swaod | Jun 02 17:11 |
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| MinceR | http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/iron.html | Jun 02 17:24 |
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| MinceR | http://ironchariots.org/ | Jun 02 17:26 |
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| formic_ | 08:37 < schestowitz> formic_: remember the Everything is OK guy? | Jun 02 17:33 |
| formic_ | I remember you stopped liking the guy because of his opinion on the 7/7 bombings | Jun 02 17:33 |
| formic_ | 10:50 < oiaohm> I have done surveys asking people why they bough an iphone. | Jun 02 17:38 |
| formic_ | 10:50 < oiaohm> Number one is they though it had more attachments. | Jun 02 17:38 |
| formic_ | everyone I know got one cause it was shiney and had apps | Jun 02 17:38 |
| formic_ | the idevices happen to charge really fast using their proprietary cable | Jun 02 17:39 |
| formic_ | it cant be too proprietary if chinese companies are already knocking it off and selling them for $1.00 | Jun 02 17:40 |
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| schestowitz | "An interesting play on the real name for HUD, and overall a positive article!" https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1675114 | Jun 02 17:58 |
| TechrightsSocial | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Ubuntu’s HUD: Heuristic Universal Discovery http://www.thepowerbase.com/2012/05/ubuntus-hud-heuristic-universal-discovery/ #hud #ubuntu | Jun 02 17:58 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1671250 | Jun 02 18:05 |
| TechrightsSocial | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: ### Wozniak calls for open Apple  [James Hutchinson/itnews.com.au](http://www.itnews.com.au/News/300704,wozniak-calls-for-open-apple.aspx) Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak has voiced a renewed desire to see the consumer electronics giant open its architecture to the masses, allowing savvy | Jun 02 18:05 |
| schestowitz | "Good luck, Woz. You made up most of the parts that made Apple good. Steve made most of the parts that made it profitable. No prizes for guessing why he's now basically a saint and you're an outcast there." | Jun 02 18:05 |
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| MinceR | lol | Jun 02 18:05 |
| MinceR | wozo suddenly thinks it's no longer wrong for people to "want free stuff"? | Jun 02 18:06 |
| MinceR | or he thinks he invented "openness" just now? | Jun 02 18:06 |
| MinceR | what a fucking joke, that person | Jun 02 18:06 |
| MinceR | http://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/bentley/apples-wozniak-bad-mouths-open-source/?cs=14536 | Jun 02 18:07 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Apple's Wozniak Bad-Mouths Open Source | Blogs | ITBusinessEdge.com .::. Size~: 74.25 KB | Jun 02 18:07 |
| *qU1j0t3 looks | Jun 02 18:08 | |
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| qU1j0t3 | MinceR: wow | Jun 02 18:11 |
| qU1j0t3 | MinceR: i wonder if he is fully mentally competent | Jun 02 18:11 |
| MinceR | he isn't | Jun 02 18:11 |
| MinceR | he also thinks that the hypePhone is great despite having to carry a real phone as "backup" | Jun 02 18:12 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: yeah | Jun 02 18:27 |
| schestowitz | I finally got that POS Confluence removed from my debian box | Jun 02 18:27 |
| schestowitz | it's like trying to remove a java virus | Jun 02 18:27 |
| schestowitz | eventually I just userdel -f'd the account of the program operator | Jun 02 18:27 |
| schestowitz | it was the faster way to just kick this pile of crap out... and the company kept sending spam to me | Jun 02 18:28 |
| schestowitz | corollary: don't install confluence. If you do, prepare to face consequences, i.e. waste of time | Jun 02 18:28 |
| MinceR | :> | Jun 02 18:32 |
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| MinceR | http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lu2p360vQa1qc9s8qo1_500.jpg | Jun 02 22:23 |
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| schestowitz | there has got to be some simpler way for this.. https://ixquick.com/do/metasearch.pl?query=android+import+contacts | Jun 02 22:42 |
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| schestowitz | why can't it be simple to do something like this withour 'cloud' BS that gives companies one's contacts lists | Jun 02 22:43 |
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