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| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Fri May 7 00:20:14 2010 | Jun 05 00:35 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.reddit.com/r/opensource/comments/ulu7u/to_microsoft_linux_and_free_software_in_iraq_is/ | Jun 05 12:18 |
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| TechrightsSocial | Title: To Microsoft, Linux and Free Software in Iraq is ‘Illegal Software’ : opensource .::. Size~: 43.6 KB | Jun 05 12:18 |
| schestowitz | When your country has led an actual war at the low, low cost of, oh, I don't know, just a bunch of hundreds of thousands of (mostly foreign) lives, just in order to get their way business-wise, just to get full control of the market in the foreign country they invaded, you'll of course be pissed to find out that even though you've supported the invasion and everything and were part of the team, you're still not getting full | Jun 05 12:18 |
| schestowitz | control of your part of the market. Iraq's oil profits belong to US-centric multinationals and Iraq's software business belongs to Microsoft. Objection to that is probably terrorism, and any terrorism (that they do to us) is illegal. Qed. | Jun 05 12:18 |
| schestowitz | /s | Jun 05 12:18 |
| schestowitz | " | Jun 05 12:18 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/kracetheking/status/209168239845048321 | Jun 05 12:25 |
| TechrightsSocial | @kracetheking: @schestowitz world runs on linux , though gates is richest person, machine which calculates is assest runs on linux. | Jun 05 12:25 |
| schestowitz | sadly, criminals too use Linux (including some who live/work in Wall Street) | Jun 05 12:25 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/NavinChauhan/status/208248596708065281 | Jun 05 12:26 |
| TechrightsSocial | @NavinChauhan: @schestowitz thanks for sharing ... | Jun 05 12:26 |
| schestowitz | always a pleasure | Jun 05 12:26 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/206735598801793025 | Jun 05 12:27 |
| TechrightsSocial | @Metztli_IT: Contrast #Afghanistan #NATO induced family massacre in [Bill Gates'] #MSNBC's home page(♺ @ggreenwald) http://t.co/xRVUnAYe Cc: @schestowitz | Jun 05 12:27 |
| TechrightsSocial | -> Title: The Authoritarian Mind - Salon.com .::. Size~: 61.16 KB | Jun 05 12:27 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/94222567 | Jun 05 12:28 |
| TechrightsSocial | @Patrick Vossen (pdvossen)'s status on Saturday, 02-Jun-12 00:07:10 UTC - Identi.ca: I liked Mandriva, but made my way to Mageia 1 because it simply worked. Mageia 2 was an easy and wonderful upgrade. | Jun 05 12:28 |
| qU1j0t3 | schestowitz: http://www.quora.com/Hillary-Clinton/Is-it-fair-for-US-Secretary-of-State-Hillary-Clinton-to-accuse-China-of-new-colonialism-in-Africa/answer/Nathan-Ketsdever/comment/978671?__snids__=43965160#comment978686 | Jun 05 13:23 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Answer Comments - Quora .::. Size~: 33.31 KB | Jun 05 13:23 |
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| qU1j0t3 | here we go, the spin starts. http://www.technewsworld.com/story/75281.html | Jun 05 16:05 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Technology News: Malware: Flame Is No Stuxnet .::. Size~: 15.93 KB | Jun 05 16:05 |
| qU1j0t3 | http://www.roytov.com/articles/flame.htm | Jun 05 16:06 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Roy Tov – Flame, Stuxnet and You .::. Size~: 51.29 KB | Jun 05 16:06 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/kracetheking/statuses/209983811990196224 | Jun 05 17:47 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Twitter / kracetheking: @schestowitz yes linux is .::. Size~: 92.34 KB | Jun 05 17:47 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/PatentTrolls/statuses/209977852236546048 | Jun 05 17:47 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Twitter / PatentTrolls: @schestowitz what's your o .::. Size~: 85.74 KB | Jun 05 17:47 |
| qU1j0t3 | gah | Jun 05 17:49 |
| MinceR | http://basicinstructions.net/storage/2012-06-03-statebeliefs.gif?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1338740631063 | Jun 05 19:02 |
| formic_ | http://i.imgur.com/fzhEr.jpg | Jun 05 19:05 |
| TechrightsSocial | Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type | Jun 05 19:05 |
| schestowitz | formic_: nice | Jun 05 19:08 |
| schestowitz | about time | Jun 05 19:08 |
| schestowitz | I heard when they were planning to do this | Jun 05 19:08 |
| schestowitz | killing smoking, with truth | Jun 05 19:08 |
| schestowitz | will be interesting to see when beer glasses too get this treatment | Jun 05 19:09 |
| schestowitz | had lots of alcohol the past month... | Jun 05 19:09 |
| schestowitz | my liver will take the toll, the govt. takes the tax on booze | Jun 05 19:09 |
| schestowitz | ij Ireland they want to instate minimum tax on booze, such that no drink costs less than half a pound or Euro | Jun 05 19:09 |
| MinceR | will your will be stronger if they put gruesome images on (more expensive) beer glasses? :> | Jun 05 19:10 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/75291.html | Jun 05 19:11 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Linux News: Community: What Does Microsoft Have to Do to Earn FOSSers' Respect? .::. Size~: 18.08 KB | Jun 05 19:11 |
| schestowitz | "Pity poor Microsoft. When it comes to cozying up to its FOSS friends, the commercial software giant seems to be damned if it does and damned if it doesn't " | Jun 05 19:11 |
| schestowitz | Blech | Jun 05 19:11 |
| schestowitz | Such BS that I don't want to bother linking to it in a rebuttal | Jun 05 19:11 |
| MinceR | (this is a test) ?version | Jun 05 19:23 |
| formic_ | schestowitz: actually I don't like the warnings | Jun 05 19:30 |
| formic_ | schestowitz: its scare-mongering with lies | Jun 05 19:30 |
| qU1j0t3 | lies? about smoking? | Jun 05 19:34 |
| formic_ | yeah | Jun 05 19:58 |
| formic_ | theres plenty of bad things about smoking that are proven | Jun 05 19:59 |
| formic_ | what they are doing is lying and making stuff up | Jun 05 19:59 |
| qU1j0t3 | oh. | Jun 05 19:59 |
| formic_ | for one, you can't prove someones cancer was caused by smoking and not some other environmental additive | Jun 05 19:59 |
| qU1j0t3 | the correlation among my relatives is pretty clear | Jun 05 20:00 |
| formic_ | correlation != fact | Jun 05 20:00 |
| qU1j0t3 | their cancers were caused by smoking. | Jun 05 20:00 |
| formic_ | its a standard gov't 'coincidence theory' | Jun 05 20:00 |
| qU1j0t3 | there's no doubt whatsoever. | Jun 05 20:00 |
| formic_ | would the gov't admit its really the cancer causing chemicals they require added to tobacco? | Jun 05 20:01 |
| formic_ | would they admit to all the other cancer causing stuff they require in vaccines, food, water, drugs, etc? | Jun 05 20:01 |
| formic_ | blame tobacco, its your fault then | Jun 05 20:02 |
| formic_ | for smoking | Jun 05 20:02 |
| qU1j0t3 | i am not sure how you extrapolate this to not warning people about smoking. | Jun 05 20:02 |
| formic_ | meanwhile native americans have been smoking the stuff for hundreds of years | Jun 05 20:02 |
| formic_ | im sure you'll get cancer by smoking insecticide | Jun 05 20:02 |
| qU1j0t3 | say, do you think Diet Coke? | Jun 05 20:03 |
| formic_ | well look | Jun 05 20:03 |
| qU1j0t3 | drink* | Jun 05 20:03 |
| formic_ | "Barb Tarbox died at 32 of lung cancer CAUSED by cigarettes." | Jun 05 20:03 |
| formic_ | I bet they never checked Barb Tarbox's entire lifestyle | Jun 05 20:03 |
| formic_ | perhaps Barb huffed car engine exhaust as a kid | Jun 05 20:03 |
| formic_ | perhaps Barb lived in a big city with lots of smog | Jun 05 20:04 |
| formic_ | how do they scientifically differentiate tobacco caused cancer vs cancer caused from other cancer causing sources ? | Jun 05 20:04 |
| formic_ | they should stick to facts | Jun 05 20:05 |
| formic_ | if you get lung cancer and you don't smoke, whats the cause | Jun 05 20:06 |
| formic_ | if you get lung cancer, and by chance you do smoke, does the doctor automatically assume? | Jun 05 20:06 |
| formic_ | or does he actually check for the cause? | Jun 05 20:06 |
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| qU1j0t3 | formic_ | if you get lung cancer and you don't smoke, whats the cause // AIUI lung cancer is more frequent in smokers than non-smokers | Jun 05 20:09 |
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| formic_ | that assumption is how the stats are so high | Jun 05 20:10 |
| formic_ | smoking = lung cancer, and if you have lung cancer and you smoke, thats why | Jun 05 20:11 |
| formic_ | how do they really know it wasn't caused by the same thing that would give lung cancer to a non smoker | Jun 05 20:11 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation | Jun 05 20:11 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Correlation and dependence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 109.08 KB | Jun 05 20:11 |
| formic_ | correlation doesn't mean truth | Jun 05 20:12 |
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| MinceR | it does help one to find it, though | Jun 05 20:12 |
| MinceR | it's probably not a coincidence that lung cancer is more common among smokers | Jun 05 20:13 |
| qU1j0t3 | we have enough statistical tools to work this out. | Jun 05 20:13 |
| formic_ | is it the tobacco itself or the additives the government requires that happen to be cancerous | Jun 05 20:14 |
| formic_ | "Don't smoke, we know for a fact they are poison because we required it!" - Health Canada | Jun 05 20:15 |
| MinceR | if it weren't for those damned additives, tobacco would be oh so healthy | Jun 05 20:22 |
| MinceR | and not addictive at all | Jun 05 20:22 |
| MinceR | https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/File:Rational_scale_to_assess_the_harm_of_drugs_%28mean_physical_harm_and_mean_dependence%29.svg | Jun 05 20:22 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: File:Rational scale to assess the harm of drugs (mean physical harm and mean dependence).svg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 82.27 KB | Jun 05 20:22 |
| formic_ | sugar is addictive and bad for you too | Jun 05 20:31 |
| formic_ | just wait till the government requires poison additives | Jun 05 20:31 |
| formic_ | like it did with water | Jun 05 20:31 |
| MinceR | yeah, and oxygen is addictive and bad for you | Jun 05 20:32 |
| MinceR | just wait they start adding poisons to it | Jun 05 20:32 |
| MinceR | oh, wait | Jun 05 20:32 |
| formic_ | fluoride | Jun 05 20:50 |
| formic_ | a poison | Jun 05 20:50 |
| qU1j0t3 | https://twitter.com/RealAdamWright/status/210099808202002432 | Jun 05 21:07 |
| TechrightsSocial | @RealAdamWright: 5 months ago I said, "DON'T BUY $FB" #StockPicks @CNBC let's see where it stands in 5yrs. I'm calling it - $8.50/share AT MOST | Jun 05 21:07 |
| schestowitz | [20:00] <qU1j0t3> their cancers were caused by smoking. | Jun 05 22:27 |
| schestowitz | same here | Jun 05 22:27 |
| schestowitz | we don't even need large=-scale studies | Jun 05 22:28 |
| schestowitz | you smoke, you're very likely to die fast | Jun 05 22:28 |
| formic_ | millions of people smoke who live their full lives | Jun 05 22:31 |
| formic_ | whenever the gov't wants to lie it refuses to do long term studies | Jun 05 22:32 |
| qU1j0t3 | formic_: so you're saying there's no link? | Jun 05 22:33 |
| qU1j0t3 | there's absolutely no question that smoking killed at least 2 of my relatives. cause/effect/bam | Jun 05 22:33 |
| qU1j0t3 | we even predicted it | Jun 05 22:33 |
| qU1j0t3 | hm, let's see... in one case, about 22 years ahead of the event (and he still died very young) | Jun 05 22:34 |
| formic_ | I've grown up with smokers | Jun 05 22:42 |
| formic_ | none of them have teeth like this lie: http://i.imgur.com/upULS.jpg | Jun 05 22:42 |
| TechrightsSocial | Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type | Jun 05 22:42 |
| formic_ | in fact, one of them has the whitest and most clean teeth i've ever seen | Jun 05 22:42 |
| formic_ | that picture from the government would be tooth decay + smoking | Jun 05 22:43 |
| formic_ | lack of brushing, not smoking | Jun 05 22:43 |
| qU1j0t3 | how old are your smokers? | Jun 05 22:44 |
| qU1j0t3 | the problem isn't yellow teeth, really. the problem is terminal cancer. | Jun 05 22:45 |
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