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*Now talking on #boycottnovell-socialMay 27 00:39
*Topic for #boycottnovell-social is: | Channel #boycottnovell-social for | Communication about anything, including Microsoft, Novell, and Free software :: please also join channels #techrights and #boycottnovellMay 27 00:39
*Topic for #boycottnovell-social set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Fri May 7 00:20:14 2010May 27 00:39
qU1j0t3schestowitz: Bot is fixed.May 27 04:58
qU1j0t3schestowitz: it now uses the Twitter API. Will have to make a similar change for, I guess.May 27 04:58
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schestowitz"You could try it with an android emulator..." 27 09:23
TechrightsSocialNot a Diaspora post?May 27 09:23
schestowitz"this is because Canonical cares too much on stuff nobody cares a thing, like Wayland! :)" 27 09:24
TechrightsSocialNot a Diaspora post?May 27 09:24
schestowitz"@Paulo: Here's something Canonical and the Ubuntu Contributor Community care about immensely: The number of people in the world that can actually use and benefit from the software... :)"May 27 09:25
schestowitz[09:33] <dominiks> hello, I've just send an e-mail to you, check spam folder :) I will try to collect more info laterMay 27 09:37
oiaohmOk wayland is important.May 27 09:57
oiaohmTo fix secuirty issues.May 27 09:57
oiaohmschestowitz:  Redhat guys notice the submit to wayland by ubuntu because it is important.May 27 09:59
schestowitz 27 11:29
TechrightsSocialTitle: Linux + GNU = Humans Enabled: How To: Fix Samsung Galaxy Nexus MTP File Transfer for Ubuntu GNU/Linux 11.10 .::. Size~: 194.56 KBMay 27 11:29
schestowitzRunning on device, finallyMay 27 12:13
schestowitzAfter many hours that involved tinkering with a lot of options (both device and desktop end), then editing loads of files etc. I've managed to successfully install my program on an Android 4.0 tablet that I bought on Friday. For the basic edge detection and analysis I can get about 4 frames per second and the hardware is 10" screen, enhanced VGA, 1GHz CPU, and 1GB of onboard RAM. Testing over USB is trivial and fast now.May 27 12:13
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qU1j0t3schestowitz: did you update the bot?May 27 15:16
qU1j0t3 27 15:20
TechrightsSocialNot a tweet?May 27 15:20
qU1j0t3schestowitz: :/May 27 15:20
schestowitz"Contrast #Afghanistan #NATO induced family massacre in [Bill Gates'] #MSNBC's home page(♺ @ggreenwald) Cc: @schestowitz" 27 15:21
TechrightsSocialNot a tweet?May 27 15:22
schestowitz 27 15:25
TechrightsSocialTitle: Is Evolution a Fact?  Special Guest AronRa - The Thinking Atheist Radio Podcast #43       - YouTube .::. Size~: 158.13 KBMay 27 15:25
schestowitzgood epMay 27 15:25
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qU1j0t3schestowitz: ?? the bot is fixedMay 27 15:26
schestowitznot for tweetsMay 27 15:36
schestowitznot for diaspora eitherMay 27 15:36
schestowitzthey changed the format some months agoMay 27 15:36
qU1j0t3yes, IT IS FIXED.May 27 15:45
qU1j0t3I FIXED IT last night.May 27 15:45
qU1j0t3please update it.May 27 15:45
qU1j0t3(for tweets only. i'll look into diaspora late)May 27 15:45
qU1j0t3+rMay 27 15:45
schestowitzthanks, I'll update itMay 27 15:49
qU1j0t3npMay 27 15:50
qU1j0t3obviously there will be another update. are dents working?May 27 15:50
schestowitz 27 15:53
TechrightsSocialTitle: trmanco / phIRCe / changeset / fccffb684392 — Bitbucket .::. Size~: 263.63 KBMay 27 15:53
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schestowitziw worksMay 27 16:16
schestowitzitMay 27 16:16
qU1j0t3cool.May 27 16:17
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TechrightsSocialHello World! I'm TechrightsSocial running phIRCe v0.55May 27 16:18
TechrightsSocialTitle: Main Page - Techrights .::. Size~: 39.26 KBMay 27 16:18
schestowitz 27 16:18
TechrightsSocial@Metztli_IT: Contrast #Afghanistan #NATO induced family massacre in [Bill Gates'] #MSNBC's home page(♺ @ggreenwald) Cc: @schestowitzMay 27 16:18
TechrightsSocial-> Title: The Authoritarian Mind - .::. Size~: 55.79 KBMay 27 16:18
schestowitzi edited the file over ssh with vi and bitbucketMay 27 16:19
qU1j0t3why not just hg pull?May 27 16:19
schestowitznot sure, thought this would be fastestMay 27 16:22
schestowitz> Hi, Roy,May 27 16:22
schestowitz> May 27 16:22
schestowitz> I notice that the symlink trick for naming the bot works:May 27 16:22
schestowitz> May 27 16:22
schestowitz>  $ ps auwx|grep botMay 27 16:22
schestowitz>  root      1992  0.0  0.2 179536  8488 pts/8    S    08:14   0:00 phpMay 27 16:22
schestowitz> -q techrights-bot.phpMay 27 16:22
schestowitzOh, indeed it does. I've just restated everything as Toby updated the software (fix for twitter).May 27 16:22
schestowitzFOSS folks focus on the simple things and will be happy with what they have. Happy at work, happy at play, not work hard, play hard.May 27 17:25
schestowitzCubezz is a good example of thatMay 27 17:25
schestowitzThey promise to care for each other, as people, not as machines. That's where consumerism gets worried; when people are innately and wholly happy they no longer feel the need to buy stuff to improve themselves and remove envy.May 27 17:26
schestowitz 27 17:27
TechrightsSocialTitle: Senate Advances Expanded, "Orwellian" Gov’t Surveillance with FISA Amendments, CISPA .::. Size~: 77.99 KBMay 27 17:27
TechrightsSocialNot a Diaspora post?May 27 17:27
qU1j0t3uhg.May 27 17:29
qU1j0t3ok i'll look at that tonight.May 27 17:29
schestowitzthanks so much :-)May 27 17:49
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schestowitzturns out f***berg is an atheistMay 27 19:29
schestowitzat least he got *something* right...May 27 19:29
schestowitzhis wife is very discreetMay 27 19:29
qU1j0t3so, a criminal atheist.May 27 19:30
qU1j0t3he's probably libertarian as wellMay 27 19:30
qU1j0t3so what's Gates?May 27 19:31
schestowitzatheistMay 27 19:34
schestowitzhe's not stupidMay 27 19:34
schestowitzjust ethicslessMay 27 19:34
schestowitzlike any person could be, with or without a  religionMay 27 19:34
schestowitzGates would not use the "bad" A word though, I reckon he's say AgnosticMay 27 19:34
schestowitzJobs claimed to have been Buddhist like Ellison (best mate)May 27 19:34
schestowitz[17:41] <superlinux-hp> hi allMay 27 19:38
schestowitz[17:43] <superlinux-hp> if i made openCV recognize the eye of someone ? does that mean i can make face matching as long as eyes have fingerprint like?May 27 19:38
schestowitzImgproc.matchTemplateMay 27 19:39
MinceR 27 20:55
TechrightsSocialNot a web page! Aborting image/jpeg typeMay 27 20:55
schestowitz"You'd rather have us go the GPL route, right? Which is not freedom, but freedom the way we tell you to. It is not a "free" license at all." 27 23:35
TechrightsSocialNot a Diaspora post?May 27 23:35
schestowitzlins***ErsMay 27 23:35
schestowitz"If you don't like it, then don't use it.:" 27 23:36
TechrightsSocialNot a Diaspora post?May 27 23:36
schestowitzsay the folks who smear LinuxMay 27 23:36
schestowitz"Not using the service won't keep the service from using you." 27 23:37
TechrightsSocialNot a Diaspora post?May 27 23:37
schestowitz 27 23:37
TechrightsSocialNot a Diaspora post?May 27 23:37
schestowitz"Sad but true. Many people use GMail for instance and then everybody communicating with them leaks all metadata + data to Google (same for other Google services like Docs, GTalk, ...). The same also for storage services like Dropbox which is pretty popular. Not everybody uses her/his own infrastructure individually but most of it is shared which also means that it determines your choices. What else can you do than to convince May 27 23:37
schestowitzothers to switch services if you care about privacy?"May 27 23:37
schestowitz"To get people off Gmail, you have to find a service that you and your friends might trust. It would be better to first convince your friends to use encryption like gpg before you worry about Google. ;-)"May 27 23:38
schestowitz"May 27 23:41
schestowitzEncryption is a defensive measure in a hostile medium and only works to a certain degree. The only unbreakable encryption is one-time pad encryption, which is unpractical. The problem with Google is that it stores the data infinitely (and you cannot even control its distribution if you are suspect of US surveillance). Encryption might be safe today, but what happens to your data in 10 years? in 20? (E. Moglen has pushed this May 27 23:41
schestowitzargument for a web of *free software* distributed social communication with e.g. FreedomBox). There has been no unbreakable technique in the past and if you take into account that NIST/NSA has selected both DES and AES (1), encryption might fool you into false safety quickly. AES might be reasonably (read: mass-) breakable by NSA already. (2) And *no* communication is excluded from NSA tracking. (3)May 27 23:41
schestowitzAlso using GPG makes mail a peer to peer and not a group medium. I am susbscribed to many mailing lists, which also means that Google gets all my data, because on all lists are people with GMail accounts. You cannot encrypt this communication. You can also not encrypt communication with people without offering their private key, which means all outside communication is trackable.May 27 23:41
schestowitzAnd even if I would be able to use GPG with all my peers, all metadata still is tracked. This includes sender and receiver, date, title, sending hosts (=route of mail and source server) and all additional headers (like Mail client + version, List-Id...). This data alone is gold for data warehouses. Even the fact that you speak to people can get you on a watchlist and might bring you surveillance you cannot protect against, May 27 23:41
schestowitzbecause you don't know it. With NDAA you can also potentially get detained by US military for this act alone. Also the fact alone that you use GPG encryption with some peers and none with others is precious information if tracked and mapped.May 27 23:41
schestowitzThis problem needs an infrastructural fix, you cannot avoid that with proprietary service providers. But I am afraid that it also is not solvable unpolitically anymore, as long as US citizines accept their government's anti-terror scheme this will get worse as long as we use the current commercial tier-1 providers like AT&T. Either the Americans force their government to step back from these policies (which would involve a May 27 23:41
schestowitzmassive standup) or the Internet is screwed. We need non-profit free and transparent network-structures, no less. Google in its current form is definetly not part of the solution.May 27 23:41
schestowitzAnd sorry to say that, but Mail is so easy to get. Even running your own mail server is not rocket science and it runs for years without much interference in your basement with nearly unlimited storage quotas and ad-free webmail. You can take some small non-profit provider. It is unbelievable that people sacrifice their and their peers privacy to cooperate (not NSA) spying for storage worth 5¢. Chosing not to use Google/* May 27 23:41
schestowitzservices is the first step into taking the infrastructure into your own account. If you use proprietary infrastructure, you cannot emulate safety on top of that without an enormous performance penalty and fragile reliability (like TOR). You cannot also not be safe individually.May 27 23:42
schestowitzHaving a look at these developments in the US (and therefore in other intelligence services as well) it is almost cynical to tell people to use GPG to be protected. GPG was powerful in the arms race of the 90s, but it is weak in todays infrastructure and will be broken in 10-20 years. We need to step our game up quickly or we might be in 1984. "Newspeak" is here already with the terrorism-frame.May 27 23:42
schestowitzOr do you think I make this up? This has taken me another hour and a half to collect and write...May 27 23:42
schestowitz(1) For DES they knew 30 years before where later attacks would go against already, because they have fixed the S-Boxes back then. Source: Addison Wesley: Abenteuer Kryptologie.May 27 23:42
schestowitz(2) "Breaking into those complex mathematical shells like the AES is one of the key reasons for the construction going on in Bluffdale." 27 23:42
TechrightsSocialTitle: The NSA Is Building the Country's Biggest Spy Center (Watch What You Say) | Threat Level | .::. Size~: 103.76 KBMay 27 23:42
schestowitz(3) 27 23:42
TechrightsSocialTitle: Exclusive: National Security Agency Whistleblower William Binney on Growing State Surveillance .::. Size~: 83.09 KBMay 27 23:42
schestowitzabout 9 hours agoMay 27 23:42
schestowitz"May 27 23:42
schestowitz"May 27 23:42
schestowitzUS ISPs make it difficult to run a mail server. If they don't block the port, they rudely assign dns records to your IP address which conflict with whatever you might try to set elsewhere and almost all big email providers refuse to receive or deliver mail to them.May 27 23:42
schestowitzISPs and the US Government also suck up email independently, so you are not that much better off running your own server than you are using gmail. I still recommend that you run your own mail servers or use one run by an organization you trust.May 27 23:42
schestowitzThe issue of public email lists is moot because they are public. A private discussion list that's open to the public is strange but it too can use public keys if the list owner wants.May 27 23:42
schestowitz"May 27 23:42
schestowitz 27 23:42
TechrightsSocialTitle: Senate Advances Expanded, "Orwellian" Gov’t Surveillance with FISA Amendments, CISPA .::. Size~: 77.99 KBMay 27 23:42
schestowitzI had this sort of problem with mail serversMay 27 23:42

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