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XFaCEschestowitz: meanwhile, arch linux has never been farther from Microsoft :)May 30 01:11
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qU1j0t3schestowitz: made another bot update. this time it should now handle Diaspora reshares. Still can't deal with person links there.May 30 05:39
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schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/FOSSForce/statuses/207625412841439232May 30 08:45
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MinceRhttps://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-q1tGMvABoVo/T8VK2wHXTgI/AAAAAAAAnWA/mluMRmPFVmo/s512/silly+place.jpg   https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Fgt811mCSGs/T8U7IdN4YaI/AAAAAAAA9s4/BaW8WIotFSc/s308/d14aa2c7546e99d717ee17cd4daa0421ac4b328c.gifMay 30 10:20
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schestowitzhttp://www.linuxtoday.com/it_management/microsoft-linux-suse-developed-more-closely-with-microsoft.html#commentsMay 30 11:39
TechrightsSocialTitle: Linux Today - Microsoft Linux (SUSE) Developed More Closely With Microsoft .::. Size~: 43.31 KBMay 30 11:39
schestowitz"Red Hat is making too much money. SuSE is M$ answer to that problem. I feel sorry for my first distro, but as things stand now, SuSE is one of the distros I cannot touch. Embrace, extend and extinguish."May 30 11:40
schestowitz"Microsoft registers with those conferences to find out which of their customers are there also. Given that information they can more efficiently direct their sales team to oppose any interest in any non-Microsoft technologies."May 30 11:40
schestowitz"About time Microsoft lost their illegal anti-competitive pre-installed monopoly isn't it?"May 30 11:40
schestowitz"Roy Schestowitz is doing a great job of exposing Microsoft's criminal acts. ---------------------- Steve Stites"May 30 11:40
schestowitz"All that being said, Novel Linux and OpenSUSE are very nice distros indeed."May 30 11:40
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schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_cuttsMay 30 11:48
TechrightsSocialTitle: Matt Cutts - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 37.96 KBMay 30 11:48
schestowitzMatt Cutts Interned for the NSA (National Security AgencyMay 30 11:48
schestowitz"The worst corruption in the world is on Wall Street." http://www.mecpoc.org/2011/08/interview-with-randy-wray-regarding-the-next-crisis-part-2/ but they go after #assange for actually exposing the biggest criminalsMay 30 12:26
TechrightsSocialTitle: Interview with Randy Wray, Regarding the Next Crisis (Part 2) | Mecpoc .::. Size~: 37.88 KBMay 30 12:26
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/1664447 May 30 13:10
TechrightsSocial@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: When will there be a trial to extradite #blankfein to #greece ? Oh, sorry, I forgot extradition is just for poor people... silly me. :-)May 30 13:10
schestowitz""A petty thief is put in jail. A great brigand becomes a ruler of a Nation." -Zhuangzi"May 30 13:10
qU1j0t3toucheMay 30 13:45
qU1j0t3schestowitz: did u update the bot?May 30 13:46
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schestowitzqU1j0t3: I did, yeah... :-) it works wellMay 30 13:50
schestowitzreshared stuff in diaspora I assume is not working yetMay 30 13:50
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qU1j0t3schestowitz: no, it SI!May 30 13:54
qU1j0t3schestowitz: IS!May 30 13:54
qU1j0t3schestowitz: i fixd it last night.May 30 13:54
qU1j0t3schestowitz: you aren't reading mentionsMay 30 13:54
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSfDQQQ8R2M&feature=watch_responseMay 30 14:15
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schestowitzqU1j0t3: i sae you saying you were working on itMay 30 14:15
schestowitz:-)May 30 14:15
schestowitzthanks, I'll updat :-)May 30 14:15
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schestowitzMinceR: good talk: May 30 14:43
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3KG5s_-Khvg#!May 30 14:43
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schestowitztesting image reshare:May 30 14:48
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/1664674May 30 14:48
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schestowitzcool!May 30 14:48
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/1664385May 30 14:49
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/1664385May 30 14:49
TechrightsSocial@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: #Benefits #fraud costs are dwarfed by #MPs' #expenses overclaims | #Political Scrapbook - http://politicalscrapbook.net/2011/05/mps-expenses-vs-benefit-fraud/ May 30 14:49
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schestowitzqU1j0t3: thanks, so much, I'll deploy to other channels ;-)May 30 14:50
qU1j0t3schestowitz: np :)May 30 14:51
qU1j0t3schestowitz: hope it works...May 30 14:51
qU1j0t3schestowitz: there doesn't seem to be a diaspora api per se, so i found a workaroundMay 30 14:52
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schestowitzthanks so much _)May 30 14:52
qU1j0t3schestowitz: i hope to be able to show you something cool soon in this regardMay 30 14:54
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qU1j0t3http://www.quora.com/Programming-Languages/What-programming-language-should-I-teach-my-girlfriend/answer/Horia-TuMay 30 16:17
TechrightsSocialTitle: Horia Tu's answer to Programming Languages: What programming language should I teach my girlfriend? - Quora .::. Size~: 32.04 KBMay 30 16:17
qU1j0t3whoa. this answer is nuts.May 30 16:17
formic_yeah he managed to sneak in just about everything microsoftMay 30 16:31
qU1j0t3yaMay 30 16:33
qU1j0t3very depressing May 30 16:33
formic_heard of the 'flame' malwareMay 30 16:51
XFaCEughMay 30 16:51
XFaCEIf anything, she should learn pythonMay 30 16:51
XFaCEHis answer reminds me of my university coursesMay 30 16:51
qU1j0t3python is mentioned in one of the other answers, but imperative stuff might not be her thing.May 30 16:52
XFaCEI love how the only SQL implementations that exist in his world are Microsoft and OracleMay 30 16:52
formic_i'd recommend golangMay 30 16:52
qU1j0t3XFaCE: they have to be 'relevant to business'... :)May 30 16:52
qU1j0t3Go is aimed at systems programming.May 30 16:52
formic_qU1j0t3: originallyMay 30 16:53
formic_so was CMay 30 16:53
qU1j0t3C should have stayed there. :)May 30 16:53
formic_lolMay 30 16:53
XFaCEqU1j0t3: {ython can be relevant to businessMay 30 16:53
XFaCE:)May 30 16:53
formic_why? so we have badly performing java based games?May 30 16:53
qU1j0t3XFaCE: i'm talking about your SQL comment.May 30 16:53
qU1j0t3formic_: the world of languages is much larger than C and Java.May 30 16:54
qU1j0t3you can expect to learn 10+ in a career. Go won't be the last. :)May 30 16:54
formic_sure but GO is actually FUNMay 30 16:54
formic_:)May 30 16:54
qU1j0t3lots of languages are fun.May 30 16:54
formic_even for a non programmer like myselfMay 30 16:54
qU1j0t3things that improve on what we used before are fun.May 30 16:54
formic_bahMay 30 16:54
qU1j0t3i've heard that said about a number of languages (including Python)May 30 16:54
formic_my ADD fought my attempts to learn C or C++May 30 16:55
qU1j0t3formic_: goodMay 30 16:55
qU1j0t3formic_: have you looked at Rust (random example)?May 30 16:55
formic_never heard of itMay 30 16:55
qU1j0t3heheMay 30 16:55
XFaCEqU1j0t3: what's so bad about c++ c?May 30 16:55
qU1j0t3XFaCE: sighMay 30 16:55
qU1j0t3XFaCE: big topic. well discussed elsewhere.May 30 16:56
XFaCESo long as there's no "Visual" in there, I don't see the problem ;_May 30 16:56
qU1j0t3XFaCE: plenty of problems.May 30 16:56
formic_oh rust comes from mozillaMay 30 16:56
formic_I won't touch it in that caseMay 30 16:56
qU1j0t3formic_: that's just 1 example. there is a very rich set of languages out there.May 30 16:56
formic_seems to do what golang doesMay 30 16:57
XFaCEqU1j0t3: at the university I'm at, they replaced Java with something else as the language for the intro coursesMay 30 16:57
qU1j0t3XFaCE: yay themMay 30 16:57
XFaCEwished I remembered what it wasMay 30 16:57
qU1j0t3XFaCE: what is the subject?May 30 16:57
formic_golang is the only thing that's kept me interested so farMay 30 16:57
qU1j0t3formic_: what others did you try?May 30 16:57
formic_qU1j0t3: c, c++, python, javaMay 30 16:58
qU1j0t3wow.May 30 16:58
qU1j0t3hehe.May 30 16:58
formic_basicMay 30 16:58
qU1j0t3the boring bunch.May 30 16:58
formic_turingMay 30 16:58
qU1j0t3did you try any modern languages?May 30 16:58
formic_defineMay 30 16:58
qU1j0t3anything beyond impertive.May 30 16:58
qU1j0t3imperative*May 30 16:58
formic_im a novice, what does that meanMay 30 16:58
qU1j0t3in the past few years, learned Erlang, Scheme, Standard ML, and Scala. All were very much FUN (or I wouldn't have bothered).May 30 16:59
formic_Erlang is from the 80sMay 30 16:59
qU1j0t3LOL!May 30 16:59
qU1j0t3C is from 1975.May 30 16:59
formic_how is that 'modern' ?May 30 16:59
qU1j0t3it isn't.May 30 16:59
qU1j0t3(C)May 30 16:59
qU1j0t3Erlang is very modern compared to C, C++, Python and Java.May 30 16:59
qU1j0t3but you'd have to learn it to find out :)May 30 16:59
qU1j0t3welcome to the paradox of mainstream programming.May 30 17:00
formic_golang is extremely modernMay 30 17:00
qU1j0t3probably.May 30 17:00
qU1j0t3but it's not the only option.May 30 17:00
qU1j0t3and it won't be the last language you learn :)May 30 17:00
XFaCEqU1j0t3: I don't think the Linux kernel will be reprogrammed any time soon away from C and assemnlyMay 30 17:00
qU1j0t3Go is rather behind some of the other things around.May 30 17:00
XFaCEI've heard good things about assembly BTWMay 30 17:00
qU1j0t3Go is actually a combination of old ideas. May 30 17:01
qU1j0t3(like most things.)May 30 17:01
qU1j0t3XFaCE: kernel programming is a tiny niche.May 30 17:01
qU1j0t3XFaCE: i am talking about general/web/business programming.May 30 17:01
qU1j0t3XFaCE: in fact, assembly was standard for business apps in 1980.May 30 17:01
qU1j0t3XFaCE: in 2000, you might say Java was.May 30 17:01
XFaCEfortranMay 30 17:01
XFaCElulzMay 30 17:02
qU1j0t3XFaCE: in 2012. it should be neither.May 30 17:02
formic_I should focus on learning one language that I'm interested before I go towards othersMay 30 17:02
qU1j0t3formic_: sure.May 30 17:02
qU1j0t3formic_: that's a good plan.May 30 17:02
formic_That way I go into others with pros and consMay 30 17:02
qU1j0t3yes. and every language you learn informs your available abstractions.May 30 17:03
qU1j0t3ok. gotta work.May 30 17:03
formic_I love being able to include URL's for third party libraries (packages)May 30 17:04
formic_I also love that its not ginormous like JavaMay 30 17:06
XFaCEformic_: ,net seems to be more ginormous than javaMay 30 17:09
XFaCEyep, start with crap and make it shitMay 30 17:09
formic_lolMay 30 17:39
qU1j0t3ok serious question.May 30 17:41
qU1j0t3anyone here used Aunt Jemima's pancake mix?May 30 17:41
qU1j0t3(i woldn't buy it; $WIFE did)May 30 17:41
formic_I haveMay 30 18:13
formic_whats wrong with it?May 30 18:13
schestowitz[16:17] <TechrightsSocial> Title: Horia Tu's answer to Programming Languages: What programming language should I teach my girlfriend? - Quora .::. Size~: 32.04 KBMay 30 18:14
schestowitzAre P/Ls gender-dependent?May 30 18:14
formic_nahMay 30 18:14
formic_didn't look like he was asking a gender related questionMay 30 18:15
XFaCEqU1j0t3: I'd make real pancakes. Anything premade or processed like that isn't bound to be the healthiest thingMay 30 18:22
qU1j0t3XFaCE: of courseMay 30 18:23
qU1j0t3XFaCE: that's why i added the disclaimer.May 30 18:23
qU1j0t3but, i was curious.May 30 18:23
qU1j0t3have you noticed that food in general decomposes to essentially shit?May 30 18:23
qU1j0t3if left aloneMay 30 18:24
qU1j0t3it can take a long time though.May 30 18:24
qU1j0t3the weird thing abou tthat pancake mix is...May 30 18:24
MinceRusually it does so by going through a humanMay 30 18:24
qU1j0t3MinceR: i'm talking about OUTSIDE a human.May 30 18:24
qU1j0t3it's something you kind of have to test experimentallyMay 30 18:24
formic_qU1j0t3: oh you're against the fact its prepackaged mix?May 30 18:24
MinceRwell, other things can eat it too, including microorganisms :>May 30 18:24
qU1j0t3the weird thing abou tthat pancake mix is... *it* does that, but in a day or two only.May 30 18:24
qU1j0t3i've never seen other food do that.May 30 18:24
formic_qU1j0t3: thought you had an issue with the brandMay 30 18:24
qU1j0t3formic_: NO! please readMay 30 18:24
qU1j0t3everything is in what i type.May 30 18:24
qU1j0t3don't look for hidden messages.May 30 18:25
formic_12:41 < qU1j0t3> anyone here used Aunt Jemima's pancake mix?May 30 18:25
formic_12:41 < qU1j0t3> (i woldn't buy it; $WIFE did)May 30 18:25
qU1j0t3MinceR: yes, and of course that explains the phenomenon.May 30 18:25
formic_you could have exclused the brandMay 30 18:25
formic_excludedMay 30 18:25
qU1j0t3formic_: no hidden message. i wrote that disclaimer because i didn't want to get on to the topic of "just make your own mix", which I would.,May 30 18:25
qU1j0t3please just look at the question i askedMay 30 18:26
MinceRmy point exactly :>May 30 18:26
qU1j0t3it's rather curious.May 30 18:26
formic_i answered it as askedMay 30 18:26
qU1j0t3i don't see any answer.May 30 18:26
formic_'yes'May 30 18:26
qU1j0t3  qU1j0t3 | the weird thing abou tthat pancake mix is... *it* does that, but in a day or two only.May 30 18:26
qU1j0t3  qU1j0t3 | i've never seen other food do that.May 30 18:26
qU1j0t3^^ anyone noticed this?May 30 18:26
qU1j0t3^^ and if so, why does it do that?May 30 18:26
formic_ohh your additional questionsMay 30 18:26
qU1j0t3quite.May 30 18:27
MinceRmy guess is "not enough preservatives" :>May 30 18:27
formic_i never noticed thatMay 30 18:27
qU1j0t3the first question was just to see if this was a good venue.May 30 18:27
qU1j0t3MinceR: no, because food *without* preservatives doesn't do this with the same rapidity.May 30 18:27
MinceRif it does so without opening the packaging then it is also not vacuumed or filled with an inert gasMay 30 18:27
formic_not enough preservativesMay 30 18:27
qU1j0t3MinceR: no, i mean after preparing. adding water, etc.May 30 18:27
MinceRit could be particularly perishableMay 30 18:27
qU1j0t3MinceR: no, because food *without* preservatives doesn't do this with the same rapidity. <-- formic_May 30 18:27
qU1j0t3MinceR: yes, but why?May 30 18:27
qU1j0t3it's remarkably quick.May 30 18:27
qU1j0t3other food (like, say, a meat sauce) would take weeks.May 30 18:27
MinceRwhat is in pancake mix, normally?May 30 18:28
formic_qU1j0t3: probably the massive amount of fluoride in the water you useMay 30 18:28
MinceR(i'm not sure if i know)May 30 18:28
qU1j0t3flour, sugar, eggs, and such.May 30 18:28
qU1j0t3maybe baking sodaMay 30 18:28
MinceRi suppose eggs could go bad quickly, if exposed to airMay 30 18:28
MinceRas for sugar, i think that depends on the concentrationMay 30 18:28
qU1j0t3but why woud jemima's include perishable egg products? it has to live on the shelf for a long time.May 30 18:28
qU1j0t3i gotta check the ingredietns list.May 30 18:28
MinceRbecause that's the way raw eggs are, i thinkMay 30 18:28
qU1j0t3this was no vague effect, either.May 30 18:28
qU1j0t3it was as if somebody shit in the pot.May 30 18:28
qU1j0t3MinceR: perhaps.May 30 18:29
formic_qU1j0t3: heres a theoryMay 30 18:56
formic_qU1j0t3: perhaps that brand is expensive enough that people tend to grab the generic mixMay 30 18:57
formic_which causes it to sit on the shelf longerMay 30 18:57
formic_which makes it appear to go bad fasterMay 30 18:57
qU1j0t3i think the process begins once it's got water added etcMay 30 18:57
qU1j0t3i don't think it's due to shelf sittingMay 30 18:57
formic_why notMay 30 19:06
formic_its dehydrated materialMay 30 19:06
qU1j0t3butMay 30 19:08
qU1j0t3if it happened in the bagMay 30 19:08
qU1j0t3it would be obvious as soon as you opened it.May 30 19:08
qU1j0t3  qU1j0t3 | this was no vague effect, either.              May 30 19:08
qU1j0t3  qU1j0t3 | it was as if somebody shit in the pot.         May 30 19:08
formic_how else does pancake mix go bad after adding water?May 30 19:19
qU1j0t3not sure what you meanMay 30 19:20
qU1j0t3i'm sure MinceR is right, it's the egg productsMay 30 19:21
formic_qU1j0t3: it can go bad after adding waterMay 30 19:21
qU1j0t3yes.May 30 19:21
qU1j0t3but i mean, not in the bag.May 30 19:21
formic_qU1j0t3: when is it going badMay 30 19:34
qU1j0t3ahaMay 30 19:34
qU1j0t3after it's prepared and sits in the sinkMay 30 19:34
qU1j0t3e.g. dirty bowl full of waterMay 30 19:34
qU1j0t3don't ask why it isn't washed immediately :)May 30 19:35
formic_yes, thats when it goes badMay 30 19:35
qU1j0t3yes, but why so quickly?May 30 19:35
qU1j0t3i don't see this with other foodMay 30 19:35
formic_it already went bad, adding water makes it apparentMay 30 19:35
qU1j0t3i've only seen real shit after a long periodMay 30 19:35
qU1j0t3noMay 30 19:35
qU1j0t3the mix is fineMay 30 19:35
formic_the mix is not fineMay 30 19:35
qU1j0t3mix-add water-eat; no problemMay 30 19:35
qU1j0t3no smellMay 30 19:35
formic_if it was fine, it wouldn't go bad when you added waterMay 30 19:35
qU1j0t3not WHENMay 30 19:35
qU1j0t3but laterMay 30 19:35
qU1j0t3this isn't really going anywhereMay 30 19:36
formic_bad pancake mix is undetectable until you add waterMay 30 19:36
qU1j0t3noMay 30 19:36
formic_yesMay 30 19:36
qU1j0t3it's not bad at that point.May 30 19:36
formic_look it upMay 30 19:36
qU1j0t3it's not bad at that point.May 30 19:36
qU1j0t3^^^May 30 19:36
qU1j0t3for god's sake.May 30 19:36
formic_look it upMay 30 19:36
formic_^^May 30 19:36
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formic_lolMay 30 19:37
formic_so angry!May 30 19:37
MinceRso braveMay 30 19:37
formic_ragequit!May 30 19:39
formic_const Wife = qU1j0t3May 30 19:55
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qU1j0t3https://twitter.com/AntDeRosa/status/207951282915385344May 30 22:47
TechrightsSocial@AntDeRosa: RT @Reuters: Scottish police charge ex-spokesman of British Prime Minister Cameron with perjury linked to Murdoch phone hacking.May 30 22:47
qU1j0t3schestowitz: ^^May 30 22:47
qU1j0t3XFaCE: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2010/11/17/senate-climate-bill.htmlMay 30 22:49
TechrightsSocialTitle: Killed climate change bill flawed: Harper - Politics - CBC News .::. Size~: 50.97 KBMay 30 22:49
qU1j0t3XFaCE: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/tory-senators-kill-climate-bill-passed-by-house/article1802519/May 30 22:49
TechrightsSocialTitle: Tory senators kill climate bill passed by House - The Globe and Mail .::. Size~: 107.92 KBMay 30 22:49

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