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| schestowitz | > The Redhat comparison is therefore flawed, because they don't take the Linux Desktop serious | Jun 10 00:36 |
| schestowitz | I don't know how seriously Fedora is taken internally at Red Hat (and remember that it is a community project), but in my estimation Fedora is a better desktop distro overall (and I install it for new users). Choice is a wonderful thing. | Jun 10 00:36 |
| schestowitz | > There is no successful free software desktop company yet and Ubuntu is pushing hard to be it | Jun 10 00:36 |
| schestowitz | I don't see that. There are plenty of successful FS desktop companies - various business models exist, and many of them focus on deployment and integration rather tha... | Jun 10 00:36 |
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| schestowitz | I don't see that. There are plenty of successful FS desktop companies - various business models exist, and many of them focus on deployment and integration rather than development (who is setting up millions of desktops in Brazilian, Spanish, and Icelandic public sectors? It's not being done gratis). | Jun 10 00:37 |
| schestowitz | Also Canonical's strategy with the desktop probably isn't as simple as it seems. How much can they realistically make from desktop oriented contracts? I don't know, and I guess neither do they - big reliable revenue seems to come from major corporate customers, the kind that Novell and Redhat have done well with, like Deutche Bank. Maybe Canonical's desktop work is primarily aimed at raising the profile of their server products | Jun 10 00:37 |
| schestowitz | which compete in a better established, and likely more profitable market. | Jun 10 00:37 |
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| schestowitz | The biggest installation (in Brasil) is Kubuntu and Ubuntu is really trying to reach people who do not care a lot about technical details. Of course there are more companies, but I was talking about distribution companies, not some specialized services. I don't think our big problem atm. is Ubuntu or some other "bad" behaving company, but the loss to proprietary web services and the lack of alternatives. There is tons of client side | Jun 10 00:38 |
| schestowitz | javascript in my browser already and even sites like Diaspora include google-apis and other spying services. | Jun 10 00:38 |
| schestowitz | Most users heavily depend upon Google services alone and we all depend on proprietary telecom providers, which spy on us and make deals implementing censorship etc.. | Jun 10 00:38 |
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| schestowitz | The point is also that Redhat contributes a lot upstream, because it is in its interest. Fedora does not get enterprise level support and is a testing bed for Redhat developments. My Firefox is crashing often, I have to handle the command line and Fedora assumes a root account. Installation is also a lot easier in Ubuntu for this reason imo. Ecryptfs is more practical than complete LUKS encryption, but in Fedora it collides with | Jun 10 00:39 |
| schestowitz | Selinux and has to be fixed by someone experienced. I don't want to say Fedora is worse if properly maintained, but it is easier to simply install Ubuntu if it works. | Jun 10 00:39 |
| schestowitz | Canonical tries to integrate everything (a bit like Apple, which is in itself not bad) and Unity is really very simple compared to Gnome shell, KDE, Xfce or Mac OS X, not to speak of that other os. I use and prefer KDE myself, but for dummy users, I think Unity is better. Unity and the desktop experience is per definition very close to downstream/the user themselves. At least Unity is another pretty good DE for GNU/Linux, so all the | Jun 10 00:39 |
| schestowitz | complaints about a lack of contributions is a bit missing the point imo. Ubuntu has problems with upstreaming Unity, but this is not different to other struggles in the past to cooperate between different desktop projects like KDE and Gnome. Often it has needed single-minded approaches first and then a reflected common API to see the value of cooperation. | Jun 10 00:39 |
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| schestowitz | "@Honest Annie: some good points. I'll think about those." | Jun 10 00:39 |
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