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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/1752690Jul 02 09:21
TechrightsSocial@whirli@joindiaspora.com: #Circumcision ruling condemned by #Germany 's #Muslim and #Jewish leaders - http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jun/27/circumcision-ruling-germany-muslim-jewish _"But another wrote: 'As a circumcised Jew, I can only add the following: did the state prosecutors in Cologne … have nothing better to do than … interfere in our thousands of years of Jewish religious law? No way, and that's why we need to act deJul 02 09:21
schestowitz"You are obliged" dicates you must follow your commandments, free will not withstanding. So I guess there is some ill plan in place that will be executed if you won't. Why circumcise at all? Why is it so important? What does it prevent from happening? I am not going in circles, you are just not answering my questions. If you can choose not to circumcise, everything's fine and dandy and everyone is happy, but if you are saying Jul 02 09:21
TechrightsSocial-> Title: Circumcision ruling condemned by Germany's Muslim and Jewish leaders | World news | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 217.94 KBJul 02 09:21
schestowitzyour religion obliges (dictates) you to hurt children there's something really wrong with your religion.Jul 02 09:21
schestowitzThis much I gather from our discussion, it is your free wil...Jul 02 09:21
schestowitz"Which still has nothing to do with the issue at hand. I was asking what prevents you from changing your traditions so that you won't need circumcision. Is that so hard to answer?"Jul 02 09:22
schestowitz"That doesn't explain anything. What are the consequences of disgarding the covenant? Can you have a choice on the subject or not?"Jul 02 09:22
schestowitz"One other thing, I couldn't care less about you getting hung up with the semantics. I'm not a native English speaker and when writing things on the internet way past midnight some things might not get expressed quite as clearly as they should. I am perfectly aware of what "free will" means. I'm just saying that if you excercised free will making a choice over a clearly bad commandment or covenant, will there be negative Jul 02 09:23
schestowitzconsequences, as in oppression? If you are not going to answer that clearly I'm going to conclude you are a hypocrite who likes mutilating children, and only use religion as..."Jul 02 09:23
schestowitz"Jul 02 09:23
schestowitzSo you don't have a say in it at all, as in a choice or by free will? Someone has allegedly made a contract with god and you are like it's perfectly fine to slice little children because you think some fairytale tells you how a guy who had a hallucination 3000 years ago made a pact with an invisible sky wizard, without consulting you? I think you are crazy. I mean WTF, your god wishes you to hurt your children. What a sick Jul 02 09:23
schestowitzkind of a god is that? And what kind of a sick believer goes fulfilling those wishes?Jul 02 09:23
schestowitzI would question my faith seriously if a god were to demand me to dissect my so...Jul 02 09:23
schestowitz"Jul 02 09:23
schestowitz""Everyone else"? You are the only one here claiming banning cruelty to children is somehow oppressive. I think it is you who needs to prove the validity of your claims and/or beliefs here. You even acknowledged hurting children is wrong: "...since inflicting body damage (for no reason, while there is no such commandment) is a violation." Since you have failed to provide a valid reason for inflicting harm to a child, you will Jul 02 09:24
schestowitzthus be denied the privilege to do so."Jul 02 09:24
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schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCXjedpekAs&feature=relatedJul 02 14:15
TechrightsSocialTitle: Sometimes A Douche-Bag Is Just A Douche-Bag - Atheist Experience 472       - YouTube .::. Size~: 154.27 KBJul 02 14:15
schestowitzHa http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCXjedpekAs&feature=relatedJul 02 14:25
TechrightsSocialTitle: Sometimes A Douche-Bag Is Just A Douche-Bag - Atheist Experience 472       - YouTube .::. Size~: 155.13 KBJul 02 14:25
schestowitzthis is a good collage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CLjYHqfilE&feature=player_embedded#!Jul 02 14:25
TechrightsSocialTitle: The complete idiots guide to atheism       - YouTube .::. Size~: 157.32 KBJul 02 14:25
schestowitzLOL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p8X6rE_Irw&feature=relatedJul 02 14:35
TechrightsSocialTitle: "I have two scientific reasons why I am not an atheist" - Atheist Experience show #737       - YouTube .::. Size~: 147.48 KBJul 02 14:35
MinceRhttp://www.reddit.com/tb/vwrtkJul 02 14:41
TechrightsSocialTitle: One Nation (From r/funny) via reddit.com .::. Size~: 1.64 KBJul 02 14:41
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MinceR"Never underestimate the power of prayer. Like when something bad happens and you don't want to actually help. Extremely useful then. Glory!"Jul 02 15:39
schestowitzeveryone is atheistic to hundreds of GodsJul 02 16:45
schestowitzSome people go one God further :-)Jul 02 16:45
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/1763391Jul 02 17:18
TechrightsSocial@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Get the #lulz watching #youngearth #creationists speaking about dinosaurs on ark and dinosaurs still being alive today http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckFVfkn54Z4&feature=relatedJul 02 17:18
TechrightsSocial-> Title: DUMB ASS - ERIC HOVIND - The Bible, Dinosaurs and God - WOW! just watch this lol ( theUKatheist )       - YouTube .::. Size~: 156.55 KBJul 02 17:18
schestowitz"I watch these too. Strange hobby I guess."Jul 02 17:18
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/1763097Jul 02 17:40
TechrightsSocial@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: ♻ @glynmoody: Why #DRM Must Be Outright Banned: Because Legislation Isn’t Coding - http://bit.ly/OYd1Y9 indeed #freedomJul 02 17:40
TechrightsSocial-> Title: Why DRM Must Be Outright Banned: Because Legislation Isn’t Coding - Falkvinge on Infopolicy .::. Size~: 262.51 KBJul 02 17:40
schestowitz"Btw. have you linked your identica account with diaspora somehow?"Jul 02 17:40
schestowitzif only i knew how...Jul 02 17:40
schestowitz> I appreciated your article that women don't need special treatment in IT.Jul 02 17:43
schestowitz> http://www.osnews.com/story/26005/Women_in_IT_don_t_need_special_treatmentJul 02 17:43
TechrightsSocialTitle: Women in IT don't need special treatment .::. Size~: 32.63 KBJul 02 17:43
schestowitz> Jul 02 17:43
schestowitz> Not only do women not require special treatment for themselves, menJul 02 17:43
schestowitz> should not be mistreated on behalf of women either.Jul 02 17:43
schestowitz> Jul 02 17:43
schestowitz> Jul 02 17:43
schestowitz> Just look at how badly men are portrayed on this anti-harassment pageJul 02 17:43
schestowitz> on Debian's wiki:Jul 02 17:43
schestowitz> http://wiki.debian.org/AntiHarassmentJul 02 17:43
schestowitz> Jul 02 17:43
TechrightsSocialTitle: AntiHarassment - Debian Wiki .::. Size~: 12.67 KBJul 02 17:43
schestowitz> Geekfeminism policyJul 02 17:43
schestowitz> On privilege and what we can do about itJul 02 17:44
schestowitz> Men who explain thingsJul 02 17:44
schestowitz> MansplainingJul 02 17:44
schestowitz> The Male Programmer Privilege ChecklistJul 02 17:44
schestowitz> Timeline of incidentsJul 02 17:44
schestowitz> Jul 02 17:44
schestowitz> Wow! Is that Debian's official stance on relations between the sexes?Jul 02 17:44
schestowitz> Jul 02 17:44
schestowitz> If so, I'm inclined to drob Debian like a hot rock. I'm disgusted byJul 02 17:44
schestowitz> the misandry.Jul 02 17:44
schestowitz> Jul 02 17:44
schestowitz> I'm hoping they're going to get rid of the anti-male (Feminist)Jul 02 17:44
schestowitz> content on that page.Jul 02 17:44
schestowitz> Jul 02 17:44
schestowitz> When I brought it up in #debian-social someone immediately declaredJul 02 17:44
schestowitz> "Nobody cares about that five year old page!" but then they caredJul 02 17:44
schestowitz> enough to ban me from #debian-social. The ban-happy op was usernameJul 02 17:44
schestowitz> "themill".Jul 02 17:44
schestowitz> Jul 02 17:44
schestowitz> Also ##politics on Freenode is run by Feminists. Feminism is aJul 02 17:44
schestowitz> totalitarian ideology which abhors freedom of expression, and as suchJul 02 17:44
schestowitz> it has no place constraining our basic freedoms in the Free SoftwareJul 02 17:44
schestowitz> scene.Jul 02 17:44
schestowitz> Jul 02 17:44
schestowitz> Really, the idea that we should have to subject ourselves toJul 02 17:44
schestowitz> introspective scrutiny merely because we're men and we are explainingJul 02 17:44
schestowitz> something? (Men who explain things, "Mansplaining")Jul 02 17:44
schestowitz> Jul 02 17:44
schestowitz> That offends me. And the "male privilege" rhetoric? I fight backJul 02 17:44
schestowitz> against Feminism. It's a hate movement and I'll have none of it.Jul 02 17:44
schestowitz"Jul 02 18:51
schestowitzIt's a classical situation. In Jewish law there is a requirement to adhere to the local civil laws, as far as they don't come in conflict with Halacha (religious law). When it's a conflict, it depends on the situation. When it's forced under the death threat as intention of conversion for example (i.e. something akin to inquisition), there is a requirement not to violate even the miniscule detail of the Jewish law. If Jul 02 18:51
schestowitzintention is different, and there is no life threat - one is obligated to follow the Jewish law.Jul 02 18:51
schestowitzAnd the stuff afterwords too....Jul 02 18:51
schestowitz"Jul 02 18:51
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/1752690Jul 02 18:51
TechrightsSocial@whirli@joindiaspora.com: #Circumcision ruling condemned by #Germany 's #Muslim and #Jewish leaders - http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jun/27/circumcision-ruling-germany-muslim-jewish _"But another wrote: 'As a circumcised Jew, I can only add the following: did the state prosecutors in Cologne … have nothing better to do than … interfere in our thousands of years of Jewish religious law? No way, and that's why we need to act deJul 02 18:51
TechrightsSocial-> Title: Circumcision ruling condemned by Germany's Muslim and Jewish leaders | World news | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 218.26 KBJul 02 18:51
schestowitz"You are forcing circumcisions on your children."Jul 02 18:52
schestowitz"I dont force bodily harm on my children."Jul 02 18:52
schestowitz"What sick kind of responsibility requires you to damage your children?"Jul 02 18:52
schestowitz"I have no idea if you are a parent, but I am, and I find your practice utterly barbaric. Slicing up defenseless children. To what cause? To indoctrinate them into your sick barbaric cult based on a three thousand year old fairytale. And you call us oppressive. Fortunately the world doesn't work like that. There are facts and scientific evidence that far exceed and eradicate the claims and suppositions of that ancient book. Jul 02 18:53
schestowitzOn the other hand, religion has not benefited mankind on any level."Jul 02 18:53
schestowitz"So? I think your religion can be considered as one."Jul 02 18:53
schestowitzRemember this is the same religion which *CELEBRATES* its first one intending to slaughter his son like a lamb because he heard voices in his head from something invisible he called "GOD"Jul 02 18:54
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XFaCEschestowitz: what phone do you have?Jul 02 20:21
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schestowitzArgos coredlessJul 02 20:56
schestowitzjust changed the external ringtoneJul 02 20:59
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FurnaceBoy'As a circumcised Jew,' our book tells us to turn our sons into circumcised jews before they are old enough to choose. but you know, YOU'RE the one being dogmatic, schestowitzJul 02 23:38

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