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| DaemonFC | George Carlin on prostitution, has to be the funniest thing he ever did | Aug 07 00:01 |
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| DaemonFC | it's legal to sell things, it's legal to fuck | Aug 07 00:01 |
| DaemonFC | Why is selling fucking illegal? :) | Aug 07 00:01 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Windows 8 'Metro' Start Screen is Unavoidable http://goo.gl/e4fyy #Microsoft are all about user choice after all | Aug 07 00:11 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] The Pending Kodak Patent Auction May Create Weapons Of Business Destruction http://goo.gl/s7gfc | Aug 07 00:14 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Meanwhile in Russia (version 2012)Pussy Riot & The Fight For Internet Freedomhttp://www.dazeddigital.com/artsandcultur... http://b1t.it/bSW0 | Aug 07 00:24 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @unseenstudio: Wi a bumper list o’ links, Crivins Ep 26 smahes richt intae yer meedya player http://ur1.ca/9wmt5 #crivins #unseenstudio | Aug 07 00:29 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @unseenstudio: Crivins clears the decks wi a pure quality wee feedback episode http://ur1.ca/9wmtf #crivins #unseenstudio | Aug 07 00:29 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @x11r5: @randomstyle Does a ladyboy grow into a style designer label was clearly a easy, reassess. Work within style is a priority in 2012 | Aug 07 00:59 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Judge Posner's latest opinion: a victory for myVidster, for innovation, and for sensible copyright https://eff.org/r.a9h4 | Aug 07 01:08 | |
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| DaemonFC | om nom nom | Aug 07 02:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @stav: 10 Things !Apple Won't Tell You http://ur1.ca/9wn6s !iPhone !iPad | Aug 07 02:34 | |
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| DaemonFC | they're going to get very sick of seeing me at the post office | Aug 07 02:36 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 07 02:36 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Reshared post from Theodore Ts'o http://ur1.ca/9wn9j | Aug 07 02:44 | |
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| DaemonFC | I'm glad the police shot that Nazi | Aug 07 02:49 |
| DaemonFC | that guy didn't deserve the cost of a trial and then keeping him in prison for 50 years or so @ $200 a day | Aug 07 02:49 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] The inside story of how hackers destroyed Mat Honan's digital life http://goo.gl/P8GL8 | Aug 07 03:09 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: RT @github: Come learn about our new Notifications & Stars https://t.co/L5fuQP1N | Aug 07 03:13 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] what are the chances of a #Linux powered #Valve games console with only a small SSD for saved games & exclusively tied to #Steam? | Aug 07 03:43 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @x11r5: since those being raided are their own, that commercial witchhunt part is notably absent #doublestandards | Aug 07 05:04 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Google's App Crackdown Results In Indie Developer Smackdown http://goo.gl/L3peM | Aug 07 05:13 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] Article by @glynmoody about "How can we pay for !FreeSoftware" http://ur1.ca/9wlxs | Aug 07 06:39 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] RT @grote Aktive Frauenförderung zeigt Wirkung: Frauenanteil bei Konferenz zu Freier Software von 3% auf 17% gestiegen http://bit.ly/PAy ... | Aug 07 06:39 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] RT @grote Forget the #NyanCat and embrace the #MooGNU, a free as in freedom alternative http://bit.ly/Nx9ppo | Aug 07 06:41 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] After a rather short night, it's time to ride the bike to the office for the next NHO presentation. | Aug 07 07:09 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1847749 | Aug 07 08:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: RT @glynmoody Chinese telecoms giants are taking over the world. Should we be scared? - http://bit.ly/R9wyD9 racist much? | Aug 07 08:03 |
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| schestowitz | " | Aug 07 08:04 |
| schestowitz | Umm, yes, I am afraid of China which is an oligarchy even less democratic than our own. China is a Communist country that often behaves like a single company. Their equipment is just as likely to have malicious features and spyware as is Microsoft, Cisco and other non free software and hardware makers. | Aug 07 08:04 |
| schestowitz | The only solution to these problems is to demand software freedom from the metal up and to erect trade barriers to protect worker rights. Our oligarchs have been happy to sell us all out to China and the US government. We should protect ourselves from both. | Aug 07 08:04 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1847705 | Aug 07 08:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Planning of #Mars mission and #LHC go to pre-economic collapse days; West may have to leave chances of innovation to the East. | Aug 07 08:05 |
| schestowitz | "Nonsense. The West has talent and wealth but these are betrayed and misdirected. We can demand better." | Aug 07 08:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Moody's Microblog Daily Digest 120806 - http://bit.ly/MgIPFE yesterday's tweets as a single Web page | Aug 07 08:13 | |
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| Omega | > China is a Communist country | Aug 07 08:13 |
| Omega | riiiiiiight | Aug 07 08:13 |
| Omega | Does the person who wrote that know what communism is? | Aug 07 08:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Berne Exceptions not subject to 3-step test - http://bit.ly/O2fGfH why US #TPP proposals are awful | Aug 07 08:14 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Malaysia says no to #TPP - http://bit.ly/Nadcgs good to see countries waking up to the dangers here #generics | Aug 07 08:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Linux Mint developers work on GNOME file manager fork http://identi.ca/url/73072029 #gnome #linuxmint #gnu #linux | Aug 07 08:21 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Amazon Launches Textbook Rental Service - http://on.mash.to/QGuMMA surprising haven't done before (v @raphaellelaubie @phylogenomics) | Aug 07 08:24 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The Pending Kodak Patent Auction May Create Weapons Of Business Destruction - http://bit.ly/QzRofs good analysis of awful situation | Aug 07 08:28 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Acer CEO warns #Microsoft to 'think twice' about its #Surface plans http://goo.gl/oG0en | Aug 07 08:29 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] 50 MB Linux Distro, #DamnSmallLinux 4.11 RC1 Available For Download http://identi.ca/url/73072125 #gnu #linux | Aug 07 08:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Amarok's Context View Getting A New UI http://identi.ca/url/73072131 #kde #amarok | Aug 07 08:33 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Authors Guild Seeks $2 Billion From Google for Book Scanning - http://bit.ly/Nyg5DA come on, surely that should be trillions...? | Aug 07 08:39 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Upcoming Conference will Showcase Linux's Growing Success in Vehicles http://identi.ca/url/73072186 #linux | Aug 07 08:41 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Upcoming Conference will Showcase Linux's Growing Success in Vehicles - http://bit.ly/MKetbA another important win (v @schestowitz) | Aug 07 08:46 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Canary Islands' government increasing and encouraging open source use http://identi.ca/url/73072381 #egov #opensource | Aug 07 08:53 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Christian councillor's gay marriage vote inquiry http://goo.gl/0uWIb | Aug 07 08:54 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Android With #Ubuntu – If Looks Could Kill http://identi.ca/url/73072436 adding #gnu to Android | Aug 07 08:56 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Ubuntu for Android – The First Sneak-Peek http://identi.ca/url/73072459 http://identi.ca/url/73072460 #android #ubuntu #linux | Aug 07 08:59 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Debian #Wheezy May Ship With #XFCE As The Default Desktop Environment http://identi.ca/url/73071319 #gnome receives another possible blow | Aug 07 09:04 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Gnome Clocks Almost Ready http://identi.ca/url/73072554 #gnu | Aug 07 09:08 | |
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| MinceR | to be fair, most areas of red china are communist | Aug 07 09:08 |
| MinceR | just not the special economic zones | Aug 07 09:08 |
| MinceR | where the economy is actually functioning :> | Aug 07 09:08 |
| MinceR | geekings | Aug 07 09:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @sirmacik: Mapa z poprzedniego (2011) przystanku Woodstock, oznaczyło się na niej już 70 osób - dołącz i Ty! http://t.co/lqa5qjb5 | Aug 07 09:11 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Fresh claims in #GoldmanSachs negligence case http://identi.ca/url/73072608 #finance #us | Aug 07 09:14 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] RT @NeelieKroesEU: Wow! #Amazon saying #Kindle owners buy 4 times more books from them than before owning device + #ebooks outselling print | Aug 07 09:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Michael Larabel, usually a private individual, goes live again http://identi.ca/url/73072967 (skip to ~40 mins) | Aug 07 09:38 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] #Google Glasses dystopia - "Sight" http://ur1.ca/9u8wh !googlefree | Aug 07 09:43 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #OpenGL 4.3, OpenGL ES 3.0 Specifications Unveiled http://identi.ca/url/73073084 #linux | Aug 07 09:46 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] !Tzag Identizens @Schestowitz @Sandersch @Inscius @Thistleweb #aewiu | Aug 07 09:49 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Interesting to hear about the BBC in terms of "false balance". Anything to do with national foreign policy they do not even attempt balance. | Aug 07 09:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] !Listening to a history of the structural development of the internet. #"Cyberific" | Aug 07 09:56 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Watch also Inherit the Wind for Mitt's version ♻ @Asher_Wolf: I'm watching 1984. Now I know what to expect if Obama gets re-elected. | Aug 07 10:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Tubes: Behind the Scenes at the Internet. http://ur1.ca/9wp0d | Aug 07 10:03 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ‘Sex assault’ preacher set for twisted Irish tour http://goo.gl/9Nynk religion can be a mental illness | Aug 07 10:09 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Game Developers Concerned About A Potentially Closed Windows 8 http://goo.gl/sjWNp | Aug 07 10:14 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] "I think a squirrel is chewing on your internet" | Aug 07 10:14 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Apple facing new China lawsuit over alleged FaceTime patent infringement http://goo.gl/KkGVq rofl live by the sword of patent extortion | Aug 07 10:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] "The internet is a series of tubes not a big truck you can dump something on" ....Alaskan Senator. | Aug 07 10:23 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] while global corps make more than they lose on patent extortion they will back the system as it is, with plenty of exploitability built in | Aug 07 10:24 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Fibre follows old infrastructure such as railways or canals, interesting. | Aug 07 10:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Tqanil Tij Tzaqpib'l Te Chemxim - http://bit.ly/NglbH5 wow: Internet Declaration in Mam, a #Mayan language (v @avilarenata @Asher_Wolf) | Aug 07 10:28 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] US wants to take an axe to New Zealand IP law - http://ur1.ca/9wp4i why #NZ must fight this #TPP | Aug 07 10:29 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Kororaa 17: User-friendly #KDE spin of #Fedora 17 http://identi.ca/url/73073489 #gnu #linux | Aug 07 10:39 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Devaluing currencies during an emergency "bank holiday" in #argentina http://identi.ca/url/73073508 | Aug 07 10:41 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #gnome still gets developed just fine http://identi.ca/url/73061591 http://identi.ca/url/73073558 | Aug 07 10:44 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Fedora Linux Project Manager Robyn Bergeron on Open Source Leadership http://identi.ca/url/73073577 #linux #gnu | Aug 07 10:46 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #ZorinOS 6: The ultimate Linux distro for Windows users? http://identi.ca/url/73073604 #gnu #linux made simple | Aug 07 10:48 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #IPFire drops Reiser4 filesystem support http://identi.ca/url/73073614 #linux #reiser #kernel | Aug 07 10:49 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] First look at #CentOS 6.3 http://identi.ca/url/73073628 "both GNOME 2 and KDE 4 were available." | Aug 07 10:51 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Review of #CalculateLinux 12: #KDE with a twist! http://identi.ca/url/73073707 very promising project | Aug 07 11:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] I want a little penguin powered friend. http://identi.ca/url/73073723 #linux | Aug 07 11:01 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] just noticed today how dated, dis-functional & broken #Tesco stores are, most times I visit I need to tell them there's no baskets | Aug 07 11:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] if customers need to bypass half your aisles just to get a basket, what are the chances they'll double back for an impulse buy? #Tesco #fail | Aug 07 11:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] the minimal effort shelving & barely functional tills are acceptable for stores selling very cheap, #Tesco have stopped doing that a long ti | Aug 07 11:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] blatantly fucking about with prices & discontinuing more of what I usually buy is giving me less & less reason to visit #Tesco too | Aug 07 11:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #debian #gnu #linux now in beta http://identi.ca/url/73073837 http://identi.ca/url/73073838 | Aug 07 11:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] still, they're a big company, they must be practising a new zen art of making money that I wasn't aware of #Tesco | Aug 07 11:11 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: First beta for Debian 7.0's installation media - The H Open: News and Features .::. Size~: 50.99 KB | Aug 07 11:11 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] a natural enough urge | Aug 07 11:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] "Threats to data centres and hubs are in order of importance, cyber, political, physical." | Aug 07 11:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Kim Dotcom Was Assaulted By Police During Raid, Court Hears - http://bit.ly/MtkHB5 appalling if confirmed | Aug 07 11:14 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Kim Dotcom Was Assaulted By Police During Raid, Court Hears | TorrentFreak .::. Size~: 27.88 KB | Aug 07 11:14 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Richard Dawkins: an end to mythmaking? http://goo.gl/WJeAU | Aug 07 11:16 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Richard Dawkins: an end to mythmaking? | Mark Vernon | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 276.04 KB | Aug 07 11:16 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] A quick and dirty #documentation of how I freed a #Sony Ericsson Xperia Pro #Android is.gd/DLE2BW #fya !fs !fsfe !gnu | Aug 07 11:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Challenging the system, not the scapegoats http://identi.ca/url/73073924 interesting talk whether one agrees or not | Aug 07 11:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] Thanks again to @grote for helping me to install !freesoftware on this phone is.gd/ONUxf4 | Aug 07 11:21 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Occupying Our Future: Solutions to Capitalist Crisis - YouTube .::. Size~: 157.57 KB | Aug 07 11:21 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #UrbanTerror 4.2 Beta Released for #Linux http://identi.ca/url/73073940 very nice game, enjoyable | Aug 07 11:23 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Urban Terror 4.2 Beta Released for Linux ~ Ubuntu Vibes | Daily Ubuntu Linux Updates .::. Size~: 224.28 KB | Aug 07 11:23 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fsfe/@fsfe] RT @kirschner A quick and dirty #documentation of how I freed a #Sony Ericsson Xperia Pro #Android is.gd/DLE2BW #fya !fs !fsfe !gnu | Aug 07 11:28 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] Quick and dirty documentation of how I freed a Sony Ericsson Xperia Pro http://b1t.it/bS5m | Aug 07 11:31 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Quick and dirty documentation of how I freed a Sony Ericsson Xperia Pro — I love it here .::. Size~: 17.98 KB | Aug 07 11:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The corporate press has been polluted by so much pro-money bias that a lot of target audience feels disenfranchised, finds other disinfo | Aug 07 11:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Debate With Charles-H. Schulz From #TDF and #LibreOffice http://identi.ca/url/73074016 #openxml #microsoft #ibm | Aug 07 11:36 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #EU-#India Free Trade Agreement - http://bit.ly/OK4fv1 shades of #ACTA; significant post from @davidmartinmep (v @PostActa) | Aug 07 11:38 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] misinformation is an STD (Socially Transmitted Disease) | Aug 07 11:39 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] What’s Valve Really Up To? http://identi.ca/url/73074112 #games #gnu #linux #valve | Aug 07 11:43 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Khronos Group updates #OpenGL and #OpenCL graphics standards http://identi.ca/url/73074136 #valve shows OpenGL to be a leader | Aug 07 11:44 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Khronos Group updates OpenGL and OpenCL graphics standards • The Register .::. Size~: 24.24 KB | Aug 07 11:44 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Adafruit launches educational distro for #RaspberryPI http://identi.ca/url/73074205 #linux | Aug 07 11:53 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Adafruit launches educational distro for Raspberry PI - The H Open: News and Features .::. Size~: 52.64 KB | Aug 07 11:53 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: I think we have a glitch. http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2012/08/06/tdf-libreoffice-interview/ how many video play back windows should I be seeing. | Aug 07 11:56 |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: I currently count 7 | Aug 07 11:57 |
| schestowitz | yes | Aug 07 11:57 |
| schestowitz | 7 parts | Aug 07 11:57 |
| schestowitz | 10 minutes each | Aug 07 11:57 |
| schestowitz | youtube is stupifd | Aug 07 11:57 |
| schestowitz | it limits length depending on an account's status | Aug 07 11:57 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] 30 #Linux #Kernel Developers in 30 Weeks: Arnd Bergmann http://identi.ca/url/73074288 #development #programming | Aug 07 11:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #FuzionPodcastNetwork seems to be very lacking in any info about what it's shows are about | Aug 07 11:58 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: 30 Linux Kernel Developers in 30 Weeks: Arnd Bergmann | Linux.com .::. Size~: 39.28 KB | Aug 07 11:58 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itproportal.com/2012/08/06/stallman-comes-out-against-steam-for-linux/ | Aug 07 12:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Stallman comes out against Steam for Linux | ITProPortal.com .::. Size~: 42.26 KB | Aug 07 12:02 |
| schestowitz | Not quite so accurate | Aug 07 12:02 |
| schestowitz | IMHO | Aug 07 12:02 |
| schestowitz | he has a good and a good in his post | Aug 07 12:02 |
| schestowitz | depending on whether one likes him or hate him, there's selection of just one side of what he said | Aug 07 12:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] More #Android and #Linux Support for #RaspberryPi http://identi.ca/url/73074362 Windows-hostile hardware due to cost ratio | Aug 07 12:04 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] "I thought a myth was a female moth." | Aug 07 12:04 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #GNU #Linux users still pay the most for stuff http://identi.ca/url/73074409 (charity disparity among Mac, Linux and Windows users) !fsf | Aug 07 12:11 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Humble Music Bundle shows charity disparity among Mac, Linux and Windows users | TUAW - The Unofficial Apple Weblog .::. Size~: 43.04 KB | Aug 07 12:11 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RT @unhosted Steve Wozniak warns "With the cloud, you don't own anything." http://ur1.ca/9wp2z | Aug 07 12:14 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Six Key Improvements in #BodhiLinux 2.0.1 http://identi.ca/url/73074476 #linux #ubuntu | Aug 07 12:14 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1849699 | Aug 07 12:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #UrbanTerror 4.2 Beta Released for #Linux http://www.ubuntuvibes.com/2012/08/urban-terror-42-beta-released-for-linux.html very nice game, enjoyable | Aug 07 12:15 |
| schestowitz | "New version? Thank you :)" | Aug 07 12:15 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] How to Enhance Your Router With Open-Source Firmware http://identi.ca/url/73074499 #opensource #routing | Aug 07 12:19 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Pixar opens beta on open source subdivision http://identi.ca/url/73074637 #pixar #opensource | Aug 07 12:31 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Exploring Anti- #NetNeutrality Arguments http://identi.ca/url/73074666 #network #internet | Aug 07 12:34 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I've more or less moved my news stories to Twitter. I'm using Identica for conversation and My StatusNet for longer posts. Now you know :) | Aug 07 12:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Samsung Releases Kernel Source Code For The Korean Carrier-Connected Galaxy Note http://identi.ca/url/73074715 #sharing #korea #gnu #linux | Aug 07 12:43 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] RT @kolabsys Kolab 3: Ready For the Cloud - The Open Groupware Receives a Major Overhaul http://bit.ly/OIsnv9 | Aug 07 12:51 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Kolab 3: Ready For the Cloud - The Open Groupware Receives a Major Overhaul | Kolab Systems AG .::. Size~: 16.51 KB | Aug 07 12:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] RT @kolaborg #Kolab 3.0 alpha1 and #Roundcube 0.8 have been released!!! Get them while they are hot! http://bit.ly/P2ke8K | Aug 07 12:53 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Alpha of Kolab 3.0 and Roundcube 0.8 released | Kolab Groupware .::. Size~: 10.02 KB | Aug 07 12:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Debt sentence [IMG] http://identi.ca/url/73074928 | Aug 07 12:56 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Open Source: Choice of Companies http://identi.ca/url/73075053 #opensource | Aug 07 13:08 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1849695 | Aug 07 13:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Challenging the system, not the scapegoats http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DpJlXhYigqAQ interesting talk whether one agrees or not | Aug 07 13:10 |
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| schestowitz | "Thanks, but the link is down... Here is another one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJlXhYigqAQ " | Aug 07 13:10 |
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| schestowitz | some browsers don't parse the URLs correctly. | Aug 07 13:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 7/8/2012: OpenGL 4.3, Nautilus Forked http://identi.ca/url/73075241 #techrights | Aug 07 13:28 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Initial Obligations Code needs rewriting. Again. - http://bit.ly/MhcO0f good letter from @OpenRightsGroup to @edvaizey #DEAct #libraries | Aug 07 13:41 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Initial Obligations Code needs rewriting. Again. | Open Rights Group .::. Size~: 18.58 KB | Aug 07 13:41 |
| msb_ | This is horrendous. I may have gotten the link from this channel: http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/these-12-hellholes-are-examples-of-what-the-rest-of-america-will-look-like-soon | Aug 07 13:43 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #ODwyer family defiant against the #MPAA - http://bit.ly/NZGQH3 with some justification, one might say... | Aug 07 13:46 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: O’Dwyer family defiant against the MPAA - The Inquirer .::. Size~: 63.58 KB | Aug 07 13:46 |
| msb_ | Result of industry moving out of US cities leaving no jobs. Actually someone posted it to cola. | Aug 07 13:47 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] | Aug 07 13:48 | |
| msb_ | schestowitz: Roy, thanks for this Occupying Our Future: Solutions to Capitalist Crisis video URL. Looks very good! | Aug 07 13:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Alpha of Kolab 3.0 and Roundcube 0.8 released - http://bit.ly/N041Bf GPL'd groupware #freesw | Aug 07 13:49 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: RT @NeelieKroesEU: Wow! #Amazon saying #Kindle owners buy 4 times more books from them than before owning d http://p.ost.im/p/ddgFuq | Aug 07 13:51 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] OKFestival Updates: Early Bird Ticket Extension, Developer Travel Bursaries & #OpenData Cooking! - http://bit.ly/MKzl2b in lovely helsinki | Aug 07 13:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @laurelrusswurm Why no examples of the work of Erté (important artist/designer of the last century) in wikipedia? http://is.gd/RkjxHY ... | Aug 07 13:58 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: OKFestival Updates: Early Bird Ticket Extension, Developer Travel Bursaries and Open Data Cooking! | Open Knowledge Foundation Blog .::. Size~: 72.12 KB | Aug 07 13:58 |
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| msb_ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJlXhYigqAQ | Aug 07 13:59 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @laurelrusswurm ♻ @Rayfortc Anti-piracy programs fund bigger anti-piracy programs instead of paying artists. Who's the real thief? #m ... | Aug 07 13:59 | |
| msb_ | http://rdwolff.com/ | Aug 07 14:00 |
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| msb_ | http://www.haymarketbooks.org/ | Aug 07 14:00 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @kirschner A quick and dirty #documentation of how I freed a #Sony Ericsson Xperia Pro #Android is.gd/DLE2BW #fya !fs !fsfe !gnu | Aug 07 14:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Gibson Guitars Calls Out Gov. For 'Regulating Business Through Criminal Law' - http://bit.ly/RwIZdZ good point about "ignorance of the law" | Aug 07 14:04 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Gibson Guitars CEO Calls Out The Government For 'Regulating Business Through Criminal Law' | Techdirt .::. Size~: 43.86 KB | Aug 07 14:04 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] How #Apple and #Amazon #Security Flaws Led to My Epic Hacking | Wired.com http://goo.gl/CNcMs #crashandburn #cloud | Aug 07 14:06 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #PussyRiot lawyers to complain to European Court of Human Rights - http://bit.ly/MKAxCL can't see Vlad worrying much... (v @Asher_Wolf) | Aug 07 14:11 | |
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| formic_ | msb_ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fo8m8j9Uc-c | Aug 07 14:28 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] press (DE) - @golem: "Projekt analysiert AGB der Webunternehmen auf Gemeinheiten" mit @hugoroy #tos-dr | Aug 07 14:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] "Mehr freie Software !fs auf den Kanarischen Inseln" is.gd/cVZR3k | Aug 07 14:29 | |
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| iophk | http://www.imore.com/x11-and-disturbing-trend-apple-removing-functionality-os-x | Aug 07 14:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: X11 and the disturbing trend of Apple removing functionality from OS X | iMore.com .::. Size~: 152.78 KB | Aug 07 14:41 |
| MinceR | and that's what you get if you pretend that macos is unix. | Aug 07 14:44 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] "Russia Dumps Linux for Windows" http://bit.ly/MtArEg and it's all about nepotism it seems :( http://b1t.it/bS97 | Aug 07 14:46 | |
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| oiaohm | Really using the thrid party provide of x11 has been recommend for the last 3 versions of OS X | Aug 07 14:47 |
| oiaohm | due to secuirty issues. | Aug 07 14:47 |
| oiaohm | Some people don't read the secuirty news of the OS they use. | Aug 07 14:47 |
| MinceR | if they cared about security, they wouldn't be using macos | Aug 07 14:48 |
| oiaohm | True | Aug 07 14:49 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Governo rescinde contrato para fábricas de painéis solares - Expresso.pt http://goo.gl/iYu5y #pt ainda faltam mtas negociatas para abater! | Aug 07 14:51 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] !Listening to Confushian - Dog on a String. http://ur1.ca/9wqdi | Aug 07 15:11 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] My Way Andre Rieu on his violin in New York - YouTube http://goo.gl/Q4blN #music | Aug 07 15:18 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] 4 Methods to Take Screenshot Capture in Ubuntu Linux http://goo.gl/a0WEX #tips #gnulinux | Aug 07 15:29 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] #Stove Pipe Forge - YouTube http://goo.gl/5QyGu #preppers | Aug 07 15:31 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] !Listening to a granny teaching her little granddaughter plant names. | Aug 07 15:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] PSP volta a abrir portas a novos agentes em 2013 - Expresso.pt http://goo.gl/romzR #pt ; para o Estado Securitário há sempre dinheiro! | Aug 07 15:44 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] More than 14K affected in Oregon hospital breach http://goo.gl/4w4nV #privacy ; #cloud #databases dangers! | Aug 07 15:48 | |
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| formic_ | if anyone cared about security they wouldn't be doing most of their stuff on clearnet | Aug 07 15:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] #privacy #mobile #cloud - Eben Moglen once again so right! http://goo.gl/Unxns examples: http://ur1.ca/9wncl ; http://ur1.ca/9wqln | Aug 07 15:54 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] Veronica Thom Named W3C Chief Financial Officer http://dlvr.it/1ynfGN | Aug 07 15:58 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] I like that @Postblue uses statusticians as a collective noun for denters. I might start using that. | Aug 07 16:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[serk01/@serk01] Lots of lessons to be learned in this article "How Apple and Amazon Security Flaws Led to My Epic Hacking | http://identi.ca/url/73069328 | Aug 07 16:03 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Can we use kickstarter to help fund NASA's projects? Or even our tax dollars from outside the US? http://ur1.ca/9wqor | Aug 07 16:09 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Hear, hear! ♻ @ploum: Freedom is not only about OS, it's about all your online environment http://ur1.ca/9wqni #gnome #xmpp | Aug 07 16:13 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] After NHS bans paperclips http://ur1.ca/9wqra I'm left to ponder the safety implications of staplers, drawing pins in FSFE's offices. | Aug 07 16:29 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] Nett @tosdr mit @hugoroy auf @zeitonline "Ein Tüv für AGB will für schnellen Überblick sorgen" is.gd/653hT8 #ToS | Aug 07 16:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxfoundation/@linuxfoundation] Today's #linuxcon #cloudopen contest: which keynote speaker r u most excited abt seeing if u win a ticket? Respond w/hashtags and win! | Aug 07 16:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[torproject/@torproject] orbot fan review, http://ur1.ca/9wqtb | Aug 07 16:39 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] RT @reiter #Openslides 1.2, a !FreeSoftware for your even, now with professional support. Each smartphone can participate. http://ur1.ca ... | Aug 07 16:49 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fsfe/@fsfe] 72 Organizations; 57 Businesses; 2350 Individuals have signed the #pdfreaders petition! http://ur1.ca/8btja !gnu !freesoftware | Aug 07 16:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[serk01/@serk01] What is the Mars Curiosity Rover's software built in? - http://identi.ca/url/73077652 | Aug 07 16:51 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[serk01/@serk01] "Demonoid Busted As A Gift To The United States Government | TorrentFreak" from http://identi.ca/url/73068538 #rbnews | Aug 07 16:54 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] There's something to be said about living a stones throw away from a 3G mast ... getting ~90% of theoretical max speeds! go @orangekenya! | Aug 07 16:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] Networked Service Discovery and Messaging Draft Published http://dlvr.it/1ypRGV | Aug 07 17:03 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @forteller: Yes! It's about high time we start talking about #federated web again after the NBC Twitter incident! http://ur1.ca/9vp47 | Aug 07 17:11 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxfoundation/@linuxfoundation] Original: Intel’s Imad Sousou: Open Cloud Standards will Emerge With More Collaboration bit.ly/RZuA5U #linux | Aug 07 17:13 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Get ready for #wikilovesmonuments 2012 contest! Organize a road trip & take pics to upload starting Sept 1: http://bit.ly/twfXNC #CC BY-SA | Aug 07 17:29 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] another #Sun journo arrested for corruption http://goo.gl/Mli2q bet the Sun missed this story too, they do have a blind spot for their own | Aug 07 17:33 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Church of England sells News Corp shares in phone-hacking protest http://goo.gl/DVzUf ye Gods, for once, the Church do the right thing | Aug 07 17:36 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] surprised the #Church ever bought shares in #NewsCorp, but then, scumbags do tend to see mirrors & kindred spirits | Aug 07 17:38 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] next up is the larger Church issue, deal with the paedophile priesthood, open your vaults to local authorities & excommunicate the guilty | Aug 07 17:39 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Cosmopolitan and the false promise of an 'awesome life' http://goo.gl/dmC7A | Aug 07 17:43 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[serk01/@serk01] "BBC News - Alzheimer's disease drug shelved after trial failure" from http://identi.ca/url/73078537 !rbnews | Aug 07 17:44 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Demonoid Operators Face Criminal Investigation in Mexico http://goo.gl/6mYXR | Aug 07 17:46 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[serk01/@serk01] "Researchers make progress toward predicting epilepsy seizures | Guardian Weekly" from http://identi.ca/url/73078607 !rbnews | Aug 07 17:48 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Microsoft Reportedly Nets Nearly $800M from #Android Royalties http://goo.gl/elGCX #extortion | Aug 07 17:49 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] A visual guide to #Apple's IP claims http://goo.gl/0T9Bh | Aug 07 17:51 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #AuthorsGuild Asks For $750 For Every Book Google Scans; While Google Points Out That There's No Evidence Of Any Harm http://goo.gl/Tuq04 | Aug 07 17:54 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] #w3ccommunity Call for Participation in Law and Technology Community Group http://dlvr.it/1yq4wL | Aug 07 17:58 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[serk01/@serk01] Leaked MPAA “memo” shows how insiders are being briefed to respond Richard O’Dwyer extradition case http://identi.ca/url/73078708 | Aug 07 17:59 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] How #Haiku Is Building a Better #BeOS - Slashdot http://goo.gl/k2ZOC http://www.haiku-os.org/ | Aug 07 18:04 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[serk01/@serk01] "Petition - Stop the extradition of Richard O'Dwyer to the USA #SaveRichard" - http://identi.ca/url/73078773 | Aug 07 18:04 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] #ReactOS Presented To Russian President #Putin - Slashdot http://goo.gl/hRItm http://ur1.ca/270yp | Aug 07 18:04 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] !GNU !Linuxlibre 3.2.26-gnu mipsel .debs for !gnewsense !yeeloong are now available | Aug 07 18:09 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Why Are New Zealand Prosecutors Seeking To Suppress All Images & Video Of Megaupload Raid? http://goo.gl/h7JKa | Aug 07 18:29 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Here’s how the #BBC is stomping the competition for #Olympics coverage http://goo.gl/SqIvD #PublicServiceBroadcasting | Aug 07 18:31 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Should Twitter charge users, or pay them — or both? http://goo.gl/sTNcb | Aug 07 18:34 | |
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| DaemonFC | Supreme President for Life Putin | Aug 07 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 07 18:40 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Tuesday's security updates http://ur1.ca/9wrnw | Aug 07 18:41 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] BT choose a network model that delivers them a monopoly. http://ur1.ca/9wrox #telecoms | Aug 07 18:44 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] So, how do you patch !kde 2 under #FreeBSD? bit.ly/N0utKY !lol !fs !memes | Aug 07 18:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Facebook shares have fallen to almost half their IPO value. | Aug 07 18:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @unhosted: Steve Wozniak warns "With the cloud, you don't own anything." http://ur1.ca/9wp2z | Aug 07 18:48 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Free Software #PS2 Emulator #PCSX2 Hits 1.0 - Slashdot http://goo.gl/kyFek #games #floss http://ur1.ca/9wrs2 | Aug 07 18:49 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] I really like the idea of downloading or creating a design and taking it down to a printing shop. The lawyers are already slavering. | Aug 07 19:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Reshared post from FOSDEM http://ur1.ca/9wrwc | Aug 07 19:19 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] #Curiosity says good morning from #Mars (and has busy days ahead) | Ars Technica http://goo.gl/6d9MK | Aug 07 19:31 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Black and Valium, double your depressant power. #marketing. | Aug 07 19:38 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Berlin is over. #SchoolofOpen is not. http://info.p2pu.org/2012/08/07/berlin-is-over-school-of-open-is-not/ | Aug 07 19:48 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Can The President Use An Executive Order To Push Through Cybersecurity Rules? http://goo.gl/PBn7H | Aug 07 19:49 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] United States Budget Dilemma.wmv - YouTube http://goo.gl/Aexth #usa #collapse #fed #bankingsystem | Aug 07 19:51 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] New Post | IT Security Rights Are The New Firearms Rights - http://is.gd/LtMDmH #fb | Aug 07 19:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] !Tzaf Identizens time for a read. | Aug 07 19:56 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] fickle, but better title on that latest blog post means new url http://is.gd/jDTa7s security / privacy | Aug 07 20:09 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] This isn't just specific to Gurgaon though. It pretty much applies to most cities in India. Another sad story after 65... http://b1t.it/bTgR | Aug 07 20:14 | |
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| schestowitz | [13:48] <msb_> schestowitz: Roy, thanks for this Occupying Our Future: Solutions to Capitalist Crisis video URL. Looks very good! | Aug 07 20:20 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Aug 07 20:20 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: neildarlow OGGCamp next week, thinking about how I am going to gain interst in Mageia there :D | Aug 07 20:21 |
| neildarlow | sebsebseb: i've given up on Mageia. 2 wouldn't even install on my Eee 900 and it's the most standard hardware i've ever seen. using fedora now. | Aug 07 20:26 |
| sebsebseb | neildarlow: oh | Aug 07 20:27 |
| sebsebseb | yeah seems some people have had install issues | Aug 07 20:27 |
| sebsebseb | neildarlow: actually really I got install issues myself | Aug 07 20:27 |
| sebsebseb | not bothered to try re installing | Aug 07 20:27 |
| sebsebseb | on the subject of EEE PC's I bought one recently :) | Aug 07 20:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] MS said to block ability to boot straight to desktop in Windows8 http://goo.gl/r64zY #msvista8 #mstombstone just go Linux Mint/ClearOS | Aug 07 20:28 | |
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| sebsebseb | what happended when you try to put on your EEE PC? | Aug 07 20:28 |
| neildarlow | sebsebseb:i think the installer failed to start properly | Aug 07 20:29 |
| sebsebseb | neildarlow: oh | Aug 07 20:29 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @trinux: Uso #Parabola por ser una distribución que no incluye, ni recomienda software no libre - http://ur1.ca/mo4b #gnues | Aug 07 20:31 | |
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| neildarlow | sebsebseb: i also have a feeling that Mageia devs won't be happy with Mandriva using their efforts for their commercial products. i can see some walking away. | Aug 07 20:32 |
| sebsebseb | nope they seem to be fine with that | Aug 07 20:33 |
| sebsebseb | having at least one server version of Mandriva being based on Mageia | Aug 07 20:33 |
| sebsebseb | I say at least one, because apparnatly it may only be one | Aug 07 20:33 |
| neildarlow | sebsebseb: are Madriva bringing anything to Mageia in return or just taking away? | Aug 07 20:34 |
| sebsebseb | Mandriva can contribute to Mageia as well, but got to follow Mageia rules for that :d | Aug 07 20:35 |
| sebsebseb | there was a blog post explaining how the community Mandriva would be done and such on Mandriva's blog from not that long ago | Aug 07 20:35 |
| sebsebseb | I meant above Mandriva would be treated like anyone else when it comes to contributions, no special treatment | Aug 07 20:35 |
| neildarlow | sebsebseb: i saw that. i was thinking more perhaps they might donate financially perhaps | Aug 07 20:36 |
| sebsebseb | yes I think they might do that | Aug 07 20:36 |
| sebsebseb | neildarlow: Fedora with GNOME Shell or with KDE? | Aug 07 20:38 |
| sebsebseb | for you? | Aug 07 20:38 |
| neildarlow | sebsebseb: kde. i'm hoping 4.9 will arrive any time now | Aug 07 20:38 |
| sebsebseb | right ok | Aug 07 20:38 |
| sebsebseb | by the way Mageia 3 Alpha 3 in September | Aug 07 20:39 |
| sebsebseb | and the QA team could really do with more help :) if your interested at all, something you could do I guess :) make sure Mageia 3 will install on your hardware :d | Aug 07 20:39 |
| sebsebseb | Mageia 3 Alpha 3, uh no, I put that by mistake, I meant Alpha 1 | Aug 07 20:40 |
| neildarlow | sebsebseb: i might if i get another laptop to put Fedora on. currently thinking of a Lenovo Ideapad Z575 | Aug 07 20:40 |
| sebsebseb | neildarlow: I think the systemd and dracut could be the cause of certain install issues, but I don't really know about either | Aug 07 20:40 |
| sebsebseb | neildarlow: well if you get a LInux Foundation membership | Aug 07 20:41 |
| sebsebseb | for UK and USA one of the benefits is | Aug 07 20:41 |
| sebsebseb | 40% off Dell, HP, and Lenovo hardware and assesoreis :d | Aug 07 20:41 |
| sebsebseb | employee discount :) | Aug 07 20:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] UCF Student Makes Class Registration Easier; Receives Academic Probation For His Troubles http://goo.gl/ZHMre | Aug 07 20:41 | |
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| sebsebseb | neildarlow: I am a FSF member for nearly a week now :d | Aug 07 20:41 |
| sebsebseb | Linux Fondation and FSF Europe are next, would have been already, but ended up with card issues, after trying to buy stuff from the FSF shop | Aug 07 20:42 |
| sebsebseb | ,but got it sorted out with the bank so :) | Aug 07 20:42 |
| sebsebseb | basically something happended and I coudn't buy anything online | Aug 07 20:42 |
| neildarlow | sebsebseb: isn't FSF something like $100+ per annum membership? | Aug 07 20:42 |
| sebsebseb | neildarlow: yep $120 a year, which is about £71 for us | Aug 07 20:43 |
| sebsebseb | or less for students | Aug 07 20:43 |
| neildarlow | sebsebseb: i'm not sure i can afford to splash that sort of money about on multiple memberships each year | Aug 07 20:43 |
| sebsebseb | according to Google: US$ 120 = 76.6479305 UK£ | Aug 07 20:44 |
| sebsebseb | neildarlow: I can at the moment :) | Aug 07 20:45 |
| neildarlow | sebsebseb: i just had to renew my £86 VPS hosting for my mailserver. i thought that was expensive enough | Aug 07 20:46 |
| sebsebseb | ah right fair enough | Aug 07 20:46 |
| sebsebseb | neildarlow: also that's £80 going to a company | Aug 07 20:46 |
| sebsebseb | these memberships well that's money going to non profits doing good stuff for the world :D | Aug 07 20:47 |
| sebsebseb | neildarlow: how much would you pay for the Humble Bundle Music Bundle if anything :d | Aug 07 20:47 |
| sebsebseb | http://humblebundle.com | Aug 07 20:47 |
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| sebsebseb | bought it last night, and then upped my donation as well :d | Aug 07 20:48 |
| neildarlow | sebsebseb: yes but it's the only way i can get around excessive spam filters elsewhere (my IP is dynamic and blocked by a lot of mail systems) | Aug 07 20:48 |
| sebsebseb | not heard it all yet, but is good | Aug 07 20:48 |
| sebsebseb | oh is it | Aug 07 20:48 |
| sebsebseb | would be great if much more stuff was like the Humble Bundle when it came to paying, but nope that's not how things are at the moment | Aug 07 20:48 |
| sebsebseb | :( | Aug 07 20:48 |
| sebsebseb | tried to buy the other day/night as a card test as well, but coudn't then | Aug 07 20:49 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Obvious right ?iCloud Needs Work. As implemented, it's a fairly useless walled garden.http://itknowledgeexchange.techt... http://b1t.it/bThl | Aug 07 20:49 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Dear !ACTA and #CETA, I think we need a nice bot to auto-reply to @ProtectHCCan pro-CETA propaganda. There's a bunch of nice links for that. | Aug 07 20:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Dear @ProtectHCCan, could we have some full-disclosure? I.e. who is finansing you? #CETA #propaganda | Aug 07 20:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fsf/@fsf] #ThankGNU for David Johnson! http://ur1.ca/7jmwi http://ur1.ca/30f65 !gnu !fsf | Aug 07 20:54 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] it wasn't my imagination last night, @kevie repeated the same feedback from Dave right after I did, we take pride in being amateurs lol | Aug 07 21:01 | |
| DaemonFC | My actual political leanings come out to a point where it's hard for me to vote for anyone. | Aug 07 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | That world's shortest political quiz is a joke | Aug 07 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | Some of my opinions are in line with Conservatives, some are in line with Libertarians, some are in line with Liberals. | Aug 07 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | it's a shame we have no Conservatives, Liberals, or Libertarians to choose from | Aug 07 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | if we could get a candidate that was so undeniably right about even one thing, it would make the choice of who to vote for so much easier. | Aug 07 21:04 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] This is huge. Judge Alsup orders Apple and Google to disclose which bloggers and journalists they have been paying. We... http://b1t.it/bThv | Aug 07 21:04 | |
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| *DaemonFC doesn't really understand the mudslinging between supporters of two parties that are giving us mostly the same results | Aug 07 21:05 | |
| DaemonFC | I was kind shocked that almost every Senator that voted against the Senate version of CISPA was a Republican | Aug 07 21:05 |
| DaemonFC | it makes sense I guess, when you consider that most of the MAFIAA money is going to Democrats | Aug 07 21:05 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Google and #Oracle ordered to disclose bloggers and journalists they paid to influence coverage http://goo.gl/xteQo | Aug 07 21:06 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Check out CC's August newsletter for video contest winners, the first African CC meetup, and more. http://bit.ly/RxINet | Aug 07 21:24 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] amanhã é o último dia para se inscrever (grátis) para o IV Encontro de !SoftwareLivre de Ilha Solteira! http://ur1.ca/9rjhv | Aug 07 21:36 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2012/Pres/Maps/Aug07.html#item-2 | Aug 07 21:38 |
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| DaemonFC | LOL | Aug 07 21:38 |
| DaemonFC | "(Actually, if it is 270 to 268 and there is a faithless or extremely stupid elector among the 270, we also move to Plan B because the Constitution says you need an absolute majority, not just more than the other guy.)" | Aug 07 21:39 |
| DaemonFC | extremely stupid elector.... | Aug 07 21:39 |
| DaemonFC | he's probably referring to the one from Minnesota in 2004, which used their Presidential vote for "John Ewards" | Aug 07 21:39 |
| DaemonFC | which ended up being counted as a vote for John Edwards for president in the joint session of Congress | Aug 07 21:40 |
| DaemonFC | The cases where there was a "faithless" elector who was not just being stupid compose all the other cases of this happening in the history of the United States | Aug 07 21:41 |
| DaemonFC | so this has to be the incident he is referring to | Aug 07 21:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] sexta e sábado, palestras ao vivo na TV UNESP (Internet) http://ur1.ca/9rjhv Sexo, Drogas e Software: sexta, 9h da madrugada ;-) | Aug 07 21:41 | |
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| DaemonFC | I'd like to see Obama lose the popular vote and win the electoral college and become president anyway | Aug 07 21:42 |
| DaemonFC | payback for 2000 when that is why Dubya won | Aug 07 21:42 |
| DaemonFC | there's a small chance of that happening | Aug 07 21:42 |
| DaemonFC | it has happened three times in history that we got a president that did not get a majority of the popular vote | Aug 07 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | most people didn't know it could actually happen because until it got Bush in, the last time it happened was in the 1800s | Aug 07 21:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Flight and Hotel booked for #FOSDEM 2013. If I remember the area correctly, just by A La Morte Subite, which is very, very handy :) | Aug 07 21:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @jwildeboer This is huge. Judge Alsup orders Apple and Google to disclose which bloggers and journalists they have been paying. We... ... | Aug 07 21:49 | |
| formic_ | DaemonFC: hey man | Aug 07 21:51 |
| formic_ | DaemonFC: http://imgur.com/WMiUH | Aug 07 21:51 |
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| DaemonFC | the chances of a faithless elector are not really all that high | Aug 07 21:52 |
| DaemonFC | half the states have laws that punish them and many of those have laws that a vote for anyone other than who they're pledged for will be thrown out | Aug 07 21:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] the judge in the #Apple v #Samsung fight should also be demanding to know which bloggers both sides pay | Aug 07 21:53 | |
| DaemonFC | of course, the constitutionality of the second one is doubtful, the Supreme Court ruled that a state can punish a faithless elector | Aug 07 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | *but | Aug 07 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | in 1952 I think | Aug 07 21:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] actually, it should be the norm for all sides to disclose paid influence in a court case | Aug 07 21:54 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Australian Advertising Watch Group Says Companies Are Responsible For Comments On Their Facebook Pages http://goo.gl/jierS | Aug 07 21:54 | |
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| DaemonFC | Indiana doesn't punish faithless electors, but we've also never had one | Aug 07 21:56 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] I thought the Torys were all about "more important economy issues" than changes to help them get re-ellect....oh wait http://goo.gl/X2OSi | Aug 07 21:58 | |
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| msb_ | "formic_" aka "ender2070" is actually Brandon Lozza, who believes that the world is controlled by Neanderthals who live 10 miles underground. He's been following me around since at least May 30, 2011, when he wrote "msb - your site is pure communism". He has posted lying anti-Linux/pro-Microsoft propaganda to COLA. | Aug 07 21:58 |
| formic_ | I never said 10 miles underground | Aug 07 22:03 |
| formic_ | your site *is* pure communism | Aug 07 22:03 |
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| squarepeg | so you guys are acquainted then? | Aug 07 22:06 |
| MinceR | from this channel, at least :> | Aug 07 22:07 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @miguelsvieira: Legal propostas que privilegiem quem usa transporte público, mas falta mais ousadia e dedo na ferida (as máfias... | Aug 07 22:08 | |
| DaemonFC | " who believes that the world is controlled by Neanderthals who live 10 miles underground" | Aug 07 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | Montana? | Aug 07 22:08 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 07 22:08 |
| formic_ | Mark "Shapeshifter" Bilk hates the theory because he is a genetically engineered by neanderthaller agent working for them. Proof would require either 1) Entering the moho discontinuity or 2) Dissecting marks brain. The proof is the end points for quantum entanglement. | Aug 07 22:13 |
| DaemonFC | we could learn a thing or two from MinceR if he is not exaggerating Hungary | Aug 07 22:19 |
| DaemonFC | he has real Nazis and Communists fighting for control | Aug 07 22:19 |
| DaemonFC | we just pick which kind of Communist we want | Aug 07 22:20 |
| MinceR | well, not much :> | Aug 07 22:20 |
| MinceR | we have a loudly nationalist party that has no respect for private property rights (and has actually removed legal guarantees to it) and has brought back several elements of the earlier nazi era in hungary on the other side | Aug 07 22:24 |
| MinceR | and we have the remnants of the communist state party on the other | Aug 07 22:24 |
| MinceR | (who actually began destroying freedom of speech in the previous cycle, which then the current government completed) | Aug 07 22:25 |
| MinceR | and most people can't conceive of voting for anything else but these two (and rarely, and in small numbers, closely bound allied parties) | Aug 07 22:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Backroom Deals Gave #Microsoft #Europe http://identi.ca/url/73081910 #eu #antitrust #procurement #osi #dirtytrick | Aug 07 22:26 | |
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| MinceR | this has gone so far that pointing out a flaw in one of the two parties is thought by most to be a move to defend the other | Aug 07 22:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] China is the biggest lender to the US (trillions). Biggest communists saving the biggest capitalists. How ironic. | Aug 07 22:34 | |
| Omega | why do people keep saying that china is communist | Aug 07 22:38 |
| Omega | do they not know what communism is? | Aug 07 22:38 |
| Omega | well I know why ): the red scare | Aug 07 22:39 |
| prurigro | a lot of americans think canada is communist too | Aug 07 22:40 |
| prurigro | it is ironic with China though, considering that in some way's they're a lot more capitalist/corp-libertarian than the US | Aug 07 22:41 |
| Omega | indeed | Aug 07 22:42 |
| Omega | communism is a stateless, classless, moneyless socialist society | Aug 07 22:42 |
| Omega | china is none of these | Aug 07 22:42 |
| Omega | it's like how the word "terrorist" gets thrown around | Aug 07 22:42 |
| Omega | scare tactics that people buy into | Aug 07 22:43 |
| Omega | they hear it enough times, they believe it and start spreading it themselves | Aug 07 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | When I say the US has two Communist parties, I mean that we have such government control over everything, that it rivals what goes on in a Communist country | Aug 07 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | and both parties generally promote this | Aug 07 22:44 |
| Omega | that is the the exact opposite of communism | Aug 07 22:44 |
| Omega | communism is STATELESS | Aug 07 22:44 |
| Omega | meaning no state | Aug 07 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | some people call it Crony Capitalism, but the result is almost exactly the same as what went on in the Soviet Union | Aug 07 22:44 |
| Omega | the soviet union wasn't a communist country | Aug 07 22:44 |
| prurigro | back in the day the soviet union was pretty progressive compared to china | Aug 07 22:44 |
| Omega | it was state-capitalist | Aug 07 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | now we have record numbers of alcoholic, drug addicts, and if you throw the people taking antidepressants with the drug addicts then that figure doubles | Aug 07 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | and you used to read about this going on in the Soviet Union too | Aug 07 22:45 |
| prurigro | largest prison population in the world now that the USSR is gone too | Aug 07 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | the USSR never imprisoned this many of its citizens (by percentage of the overall population) | Aug 07 22:45 |
| prurigro | funny how much the two countries mirrored eachother considering they were arch enemies with apparently opposite ideologies | Aug 07 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | the People's Republic of China doesn't either | Aug 07 22:46 |
| prurigro | yea, china isn't prison happy | Aug 07 22:46 |
| Omega | DaemonFC: because of the red scare | Aug 07 22:46 |
| prurigro | I was in china recently and asked about something that I knew to be quite illegal | Aug 07 22:46 |
| Omega | it's anti-communist/anti-anarchist propaganda | Aug 07 22:46 |
| prurigro | and my friend who lives there was like "What do you mean are you allowed? This is China!" | Aug 07 22:46 |
| prurigro | communism does leave too many doors open with the potential for corruption on that note | Aug 07 22:48 |
| Omega | schestowitz: do you *actually* think china is communist? | Aug 07 22:48 |
| MinceR | who decides what "communism/communist" means? | Aug 07 22:48 |
| Omega | the people who coined the term | Aug 07 22:48 |
| prurigro | marx? | Aug 07 22:48 |
| Omega | it's a term with a history and many backing literature | Aug 07 22:49 |
| MinceR | at least here in hungary, "socialism" was merely the result of a microsoftian rebranding effort | Aug 07 22:49 |
| Omega | :| what | Aug 07 22:50 |
| Omega | what are you talking about? | Aug 07 22:50 |
| MinceR | after the guys who called themselves communist realized they can't sell themselves under that name | Aug 07 22:50 |
| Omega | uh | Aug 07 22:50 |
| Omega | all communists are socialists | Aug 07 22:50 |
| Omega | because communists are people that want communism | Aug 07 22:50 |
| MinceR | we're drowning in ambiguity | Aug 07 22:50 |
| prurigro | but not all socialists are communist :) | Aug 07 22:51 |
| Omega | and communism is a stateless classless moneyless SOCIALIST society | Aug 07 22:51 |
| Omega | no, we're not drowning in ambiguity, you're drowning in ignorance | Aug 07 22:51 |
| MinceR | yeah, keep that attitude to yourself | Aug 07 22:51 |
| Omega | you are ignorant about the subject | Aug 07 22:51 |
| prurigro | I didn't see anything too ignorant on MinceR's part yet | Aug 07 22:51 |
| Omega | that is apparant | Aug 07 22:51 |
| Omega | prurigro: I've spoken to them about this ebfore | Aug 07 22:51 |
| Omega | but continue and you will see :) | Aug 07 22:52 |
| MinceR | i know plenty about the statist "communism"/"socialism"/"state-owned fascism"/<call it whatever you like> thing | Aug 07 22:52 |
| prurigro | the problem is that while communism is cleary defined as something Mincer does not consider it | Aug 07 22:52 |
| Omega | MinceR: I'm against that | Aug 07 22:52 |
| MinceR | and a few things about anarcho-communism as well | Aug 07 22:52 |
| Omega | I'm a libertarian socialist | Aug 07 22:52 |
| Omega | an anarcho-communist | Aug 07 22:52 |
| MinceR | i consider the latter significantly less harmful, but still harmful | Aug 07 22:53 |
| Omega | how? | Aug 07 22:53 |
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| prurigro | what Mincer considers communism has no other term to define it either | Aug 07 22:53 |
| Omega | and to ho? | Aug 07 22:53 |
| Omega | who* | Aug 07 22:53 |
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| MinceR | even if there's a difference between "private property" and "personal property" (as i've seen some people claim relatively recently), they're difficult to disambiguate in practice | Aug 07 22:54 |
| MinceR | and it's becoming even more difficult | Aug 07 22:54 |
| Omega | they are not difficult to disambiguate at all | Aug 07 22:54 |
| prurigro | so you could consider there to be multiple definitions of communism in that respect, whichever you consider to be more authentic (the term given to the original one defined in theory or the one practice) | Aug 07 22:54 |
| Omega | anything that only you use is personal | Aug 07 22:54 |
| prurigro | its all semantics | Aug 07 22:54 |
| MinceR | and that leads to issues with privacy, information security, and getting to enjoy the fruits of one's own labor | Aug 07 22:54 |
| prurigro | its not only Mincer though | Aug 07 22:54 |
| msb_ | Omega: Under moneyless communism, if I want a helicopter, can I have one? If so, how do I get it? If it's from a public pool, how do I know it's been well cared for (important for helicopters!)? | Aug 07 22:54 |
| Omega | dunno | Aug 07 22:55 |
| Omega | not really a problem I care for | Aug 07 22:55 |
| MinceR | well, i'm very much used to seeing statist communism called "communism" and the other being called "anarcho-communism" -- this might be simply due to growing up in the eastern bloc | Aug 07 22:55 |
| prurigro | anarcho-communism = the theory? | Aug 07 22:55 |
| Omega | MinceR: I'm pretty sure statism leads to issues with privacy, information security and capitalism to getting to enjoy the fruits of one's own labor | Aug 07 22:55 |
| prurigro | the problem with anarchy on that note, is that as soon as you have it, someone takes power | Aug 07 22:56 |
| MinceR | Omega: so, if i take something only you used until now, and use it, it stops being personal property and becomes something else? | Aug 07 22:56 |
| MinceR | (that is, it becomes private property or means of production) | Aug 07 22:56 |
| Omega | what do you mean? | Aug 07 22:56 |
| Omega | a means of production is something more people use to produce | Aug 07 22:56 |
| MinceR | no, i meant that lacking private property leads to issues with privacy, information security and getting to enjoy the fruits of one's own labor | Aug 07 22:56 |
| Omega | private property means that those are owned privately | Aug 07 22:57 |
| Omega | that means that one eprson or group own it | Aug 07 22:57 |
| Omega | even though another group uses it | Aug 07 22:57 |
| MinceR | there are many devices that could be used to produce, for personal entertainment, or both | Aug 07 22:57 |
| Omega | and the group that owns it also owns everything that is produce | Aug 07 22:57 |
| prurigro | Omega, if its owned by everyone then its owned by noone | Aug 07 22:57 |
| Omega | it's owned by those that use it | Aug 07 22:57 |
| msb_ | Omega: I asked the helicopter question in order to understand how property and usage of it is allocated. Without knowing that you may be advocating a system that is impossible to implement. | Aug 07 22:57 |
| prurigro | I don't want someone else taking my laptop when I put it down | Aug 07 22:57 |
| MinceR | so if i take your mobile phone and start to use it, it becomes mine? | Aug 07 22:58 |
| Omega | that's personal | Aug 07 22:58 |
| Omega | you don't need to worry about that prurigro | Aug 07 22:58 |
| Omega | well, right nwo you do | Aug 07 22:58 |
| prurigro | oh? | Aug 07 22:58 |
| Omega | the state can make a law that makes it theirs | Aug 07 22:58 |
| prurigro | yea- and suddenly the whole idea of communism goes out the window | Aug 07 22:58 |
| Omega | ? | Aug 07 22:58 |
| MinceR | and if i knock you out, take your mobile phone, and start to use it to produce, it becomes rightfully mine? | Aug 07 22:58 |
| prurigro | or the whole supposed benefit | Aug 07 22:58 |
| Omega | communism is STATELESS | Aug 07 22:58 |
| Omega | I was talking abotu *now* | Aug 07 22:59 |
| prurigro | ahh | Aug 07 22:59 |
| MinceR | regardless of any privacy-sensitive information stored on it that you might not want to divulge? :> | Aug 07 22:59 |
| prurigro | no, I don't think so | Aug 07 22:59 |
| Omega | MinceR: no lol | Aug 07 22:59 |
| Omega | you keep your shit | Aug 07 22:59 |
| prurigro | encryption ftw | Aug 07 22:59 |
| prurigro | why can't we own things, but get an equal share of resources? isn't that a happier median? | Aug 07 23:00 |
| Omega | ^ | Aug 07 23:00 |
| MinceR | prurigro: i could install a keylogger and hand the device back, wait until the key is entered and redo the process | Aug 07 23:00 |
| Omega | prurigro: that is what I propose | Aug 07 23:00 |
| prurigro | maybe I want a laptop instead of a pet horse | Aug 07 23:00 |
| Omega | you get to keep your shit | Aug 07 23:00 |
| MinceR | (hardware keylogger) | Aug 07 23:00 |
| Omega | but the means of production are owned by those that use it/the community | Aug 07 23:00 |
| prurigro | MinceR, especially with the good ol' eufi operating system riding underneath :) | Aug 07 23:00 |
| MinceR | my problem is that "means of production" are not clearly separated from "personal property", and it's becoming less clearly separated as technology progresses | Aug 07 23:01 |
| prurigro | networking support and remote wipe enabled by default | Aug 07 23:01 |
| prurigro | like wtf | Aug 07 23:01 |
| Omega | well, it is | Aug 07 23:01 |
| msb_ | Omega: How do I acquire my shit if there is no money? | Aug 07 23:01 |
| MinceR | msb_: barter? though i fail to see how that's supposed to be better :) | Aug 07 23:01 |
| Omega | not barter | Aug 07 23:01 |
| prurigro | materializer! | Aug 07 23:01 |
| Omega | gift economy | Aug 07 23:01 |
| Omega | :) | Aug 07 23:01 |
| MinceR | then again, "acquire my shit" could be meaningless under anarcho-communism | Aug 07 23:02 |
| Omega | a free software world basically | Aug 07 23:02 |
| prurigro | gift economy works till you get your first sociopath | Aug 07 23:02 |
| Omega | application of free software to the real world | Aug 07 23:02 |
| MinceR | except material objects work differently from information | Aug 07 23:02 |
| Omega | prurigro: why? you just get them help | Aug 07 23:02 |
| prurigro | they start to hoard, and suddenly everything shifts | Aug 07 23:02 |
| msb_ | There are only enough helicopters for 1% of the population. What determines who gets one? | Aug 07 23:02 |
| MinceR | also, my private keys are not free software | Aug 07 23:02 |
| Omega | lol, you don't *need* to give someone something | Aug 07 23:02 |
| Omega | MinceR: you get to keep your shit | Aug 07 23:02 |
| Omega | I keep saying it | Aug 07 23:02 |
| Omega | your shit is yours | Aug 07 23:02 |
| Omega | no one can touch it | Aug 07 23:02 |
| Omega | what you produce is also yours | Aug 07 23:03 |
| prurigro | msb_, maybe if you want a helicopter you could get a smaller house and no car | Aug 07 23:03 |
| MinceR | then i'll keep my house and the land it's on | Aug 07 23:03 |
| Omega | you can choose to give it to whoever you want | Aug 07 23:03 |
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| MinceR | and my car | Aug 07 23:03 |
| MinceR | (s) | Aug 07 23:03 |
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| Omega | msb_: you would probably share it with the community | Aug 07 23:03 |
| Omega | no one needs a helicopter all the time | Aug 07 23:03 |
| prurigro | why does msb get control over it though? | Aug 07 23:03 |
| Omega | MinceR: yes you get to live in your house | Aug 07 23:04 |
| prurigro | how does he get to be the one who gets lessons? | Aug 07 23:04 |
| Omega | lessons for everyone! | Aug 07 23:04 |
| MinceR | and i'll keep my 3d printer and other tools | Aug 07 23:04 |
| prurigro | who's gonna teach all these lessons? | Aug 07 23:04 |
| Omega | MinceR: they are yours my friend | Aug 07 23:04 |
| Omega | but a factory is not yours | Aug 07 23:04 |
| msb_ | How do I know the last person who used it didn't damage it, which would make it crash when I'm flying it? | Aug 07 23:04 |
| Omega | it is owned by those that work there/the community | Aug 07 23:04 |
| Omega | so no bosses | Aug 07 23:04 |
| MinceR | why can't i have a factory? | Aug 07 23:04 |
| prurigro | how did the community come to the decision to buy a helicoptor when msb is the only one who wants one? | Aug 07 23:05 |
| msb_ | If I have sole use, I'll be sure to take good care of it. | Aug 07 23:05 |
| Omega | because you can't run a factory alone | Aug 07 23:05 |
| MinceR | that's a matter of technology | Aug 07 23:05 |
| MinceR | especially if i have robots to do all the menial work | Aug 07 23:05 |
| Omega | then why would you want to own it? | Aug 07 23:05 |
| Omega | why not just let the community own it | Aug 07 23:05 |
| Omega | "own" | Aug 07 23:06 |
| Omega | but that is true | Aug 07 23:06 |
| Omega | automatization is cool | Aug 07 23:06 |
| MinceR | so that i can always use it and it won't be wrecked by people who don't care about its integrity | Aug 07 23:06 |
| MinceR | for example | Aug 07 23:06 |
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| Omega | lol, I think they'd realize that it's not in their benefit to wreck it | Aug 07 23:06 |
| MinceR | or not | Aug 07 23:06 |
| MinceR | especially if i pay the upkeep (in resources) | Aug 07 23:06 |
| Omega | you don't have to think from a capitalist society perspective | Aug 07 23:07 |
| Omega | no money | Aug 07 23:07 |
| Omega | no paying | Aug 07 23:07 |
| MinceR | "no money" just means that there's no dedicated, easy-to-use thing to facilitate exchange of resources | Aug 07 23:07 |
| msb_ | Omega: I'm not talking about intentionally wrecking the helicopter, just damaging it out of stupidity. | Aug 07 23:07 |
| Omega | msb_: education of course | Aug 07 23:07 |
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| MinceR | no paying is fine once there's no scarcity | Aug 07 23:07 |
| Omega | educations makes everything better | Aug 07 23:07 |
| prurigro | the reason capitalism has remained somewhat free for so much longer than so many other systems is because it pits all the types who'd normally work together and corrupt things against eachother | Aug 07 23:08 |
| MinceR | but if there is, how can i ensure i have the fruits of my labor? | Aug 07 23:08 |
| Omega | MinceR: there's scarcity now? of what? | Aug 07 23:08 |
| MinceR | of resources, in general | Aug 07 23:08 |
| Omega | artificial scarcity you mean? | Aug 07 23:08 |
| msb_ | Omega: You can't educate stupid, or drunk, or psychopath/sociopath. | Aug 07 23:08 |
| MinceR | no | Aug 07 23:08 |
| Omega | examples | Aug 07 23:08 |
| prurigro | in fact, treatment for psychopaths/sociopaths is actually known to make them worse | Aug 07 23:08 |
| MinceR | basically if you _have_ to work so you can afford the food you need to survive, there's scarcity | Aug 07 23:08 |
| MinceR | if you have a bunch of machines that maintain each other and produce it for you, there probably isn't | Aug 07 23:09 |
| Omega | but... that's only in a capitalist society | Aug 07 23:09 |
| MinceR | or if you've modified your body so that you don't need it | Aug 07 23:09 |
| Omega | we have enough food RIGTH NOW | Aug 07 23:09 |
| Omega | we throw a lot of it away to keep a artificial scarcity | Aug 07 23:09 |
| Omega | so they can keep making profit | Aug 07 23:09 |
| MinceR | i'm not so sure of that | Aug 07 23:09 |
| Omega | really | Aug 07 23:09 |
| Omega | look it up | Aug 07 23:09 |
| MinceR | i think i've read that we would already need more than one earth to sustain the current population on the long term | Aug 07 23:10 |
| MinceR | and the population keeps on growing | Aug 07 23:10 |
| Omega | under capitalism, yes | Aug 07 23:10 |
| msb_ | I think with present-day robots doing most of the work we could create enough food for everyone now. | Aug 07 23:10 |
| MinceR | regardless of economic system, the current tech level has a limit of how many people it can sustain using the resources of this planet | Aug 07 23:10 |
| prurigro | the best system of government isn't the most ideal system of government | Aug 07 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | regardless of the level of technology, the planet has a limited supply of resources | Aug 07 23:11 |
| MinceR | the best system of government is where there's no government -- but humans aren't ready for it yet, imo | Aug 07 23:11 |
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| Omega | MinceR: education! | Aug 07 23:11 |
| prurigro | its the one that best balances all the forces that would ruin things if left to their own devices | Aug 07 23:11 |
| Omega | we need to work towards that | Aug 07 23:11 |
| MinceR | yes we do | Aug 07 23:11 |
| msb_ | But we know that everyone on the planet now is getting on the average at least half enough food to eat. | Aug 07 23:11 |
| msb_ | Also, one farmer using current US technology can grow enough to feed 50. | Aug 07 23:12 |
| Omega | MinceR: the thing is when you're driven by profit you value profit over human life | Aug 07 23:12 |
| Omega | so it doesn't matter if someone people can't get food | Aug 07 23:12 |
| MinceR | also, it seems to me that once you go beyond scarcity, this whole debate of who gets to own what becomes mostly meaningless | Aug 07 23:12 |
| Omega | it doesn't bring us profit, so we won't do it | Aug 07 23:12 |
| Omega | even if we have enough | Aug 07 23:12 |
| Omega | MinceR: exactly | Aug 07 23:12 |
| MinceR | you want a helicopter? just have your nanobots build one | Aug 07 23:13 |
| msb_ | That we don't have the tech for! | Aug 07 23:13 |
| MinceR | that's what we need to develop the tech for | Aug 07 23:13 |
| prurigro | Omega, so you need capitalism to an extent, and social programs to an extent, and as much individual freedom as is possible without sacrificing your foundation | Aug 07 23:13 |
| Omega | if we didn't have capitalism we would want to work together | Aug 07 23:13 |
| MinceR | well, how i value human life depends on which human it is :> | Aug 07 23:13 |
| Omega | so open hardware, etc | Aug 07 23:13 |
| MinceR | nope, people can't stand each other :> | Aug 07 23:14 |
| Omega | prurigro: why do you need capitalism? | Aug 07 23:14 |
| MinceR | most of the divisions of society are arbitrary and artificial | Aug 07 23:14 |
| MinceR | for example, "nation" | Aug 07 23:14 |
| prurigro | Omega, because it balances power | Aug 07 23:14 |
| Omega | huh? | Aug 07 23:14 |
| Omega | MinceR: it's all part of the division game, to keep us fighting eachother | Aug 07 23:14 |
| prurigro | capitalism puts the dollar at the top, and anyone can get it | Aug 07 23:14 |
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| prurigro | meaning that anyone can potentially have power | Aug 07 23:15 |
| MinceR | capitalism ensures that no matter what production you specialize in, if it's valuable, you can exchange it for all the goods you need to survive | Aug 07 23:15 |
| MinceR | optimally, at least | Aug 07 23:15 |
| msb_ | Just the opposite. People with a lot of money use it to get more, and take it from those who have less. | Aug 07 23:15 |
| prurigro | msb_, well that's what its turned into | Aug 07 23:15 |
| prurigro | its had a good run though | Aug 07 23:15 |
| MinceR | unfortunately, it has been corrupted | Aug 07 23:15 |
| prurigro | in canada it still works because we have that socialist net | Aug 07 23:15 |
| Omega | that is a theological potential prurigro | Aug 07 23:15 |
| msb_ | The rich and the psychopaths game the system, e.g. by bribing and selecting the govt and media. | Aug 07 23:15 |
| Omega | not everyone is born privileged | Aug 07 23:15 |
| Omega | with the oppertunity to get rich | Aug 07 23:16 |
| MinceR | because antitrust regulations aren't powerful enough and the people don't have the power to defend themselves from monopolists | Aug 07 23:16 |
| Omega | of couse it's "potentially" possible | Aug 07 23:16 |
| Omega | but it's a theological potential | Aug 07 23:16 |
| prurigro | Omega, I didn't say capitalism worked like it should on its own | Aug 07 23:16 |
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| prurigro | you need to balance against capitalism just like capitalism balances the systems it contains | Aug 07 23:16 |
| Omega | prurigro: capitalism means private ownership over the means of production | Aug 07 23:16 |
| Omega | I don't see how that balances power | Aug 07 23:17 |
| Omega | a lot of people think capitalism == markets | Aug 07 23:17 |
| MinceR | which means that if you worked to acquire some means of production, it really is yours | Aug 07 23:17 |
| Omega | but that's not true | Aug 07 23:17 |
| Omega | MinceR: no, no, you are misunderstanding "private" | Aug 07 23:17 |
| Omega | it means almost the opposite | Aug 07 23:17 |
| prurigro | just because not everyone gets rich | Aug 07 23:17 |
| MinceR | you get to take good care of it and use it to your benefit | Aug 07 23:17 |
| MinceR | (if you want to) | Aug 07 23:17 |
| Omega | even if you use a emans of production, what you create is not yours | Aug 07 23:17 |
| MinceR | why? | Aug 07 23:18 |
| prurigro | the fact that anyone *could* get rich defeats the old monarch systems | Aug 07 23:18 |
| Omega | it's owned by the private owner of the means of production | Aug 07 23:18 |
| msb_ | If we have plenty of technology, the average amount of work that everyone must do to supply everyone's needs may be only 8 hours a week. So that means, with no wasted work like attacking people for cannabis and many other things, 80% of the population can't get jobs! | Aug 07 23:18 |
| MinceR | you could be that owner | Aug 07 23:18 |
| prurigro | if you own nothing, then the largest group of friends has the most power | Aug 07 23:18 |
| MinceR | why do you own nothing? | Aug 07 23:18 |
| prurigro | my brother recently moved out | Aug 07 23:19 |
| msb_ | So there has to be redistribution of either jobs, income, or wealth. | Aug 07 23:19 |
| Omega | MinceR: you "could" be | Aug 07 23:19 |
| MinceR | even if you use means of production owned by someone else, a fair share of the added value you produce by your work should be yours | Aug 07 23:19 |
| Omega | again that is the theological potential | Aug 07 23:19 |
| MinceR | if it is not so, you're obviously being defrauded | Aug 07 23:19 |
| Omega | most people NEVER own any capital | Aug 07 23:19 |
| Omega | they work all their lives | Aug 07 23:19 |
| Omega | to pay off debt | Aug 07 23:19 |
| prurigro | his room at my parents place was always a disaster and my parents would chase after him to clean it all the time | Aug 07 23:19 |
| MinceR | there's no theology here | Aug 07 23:19 |
| MinceR | Omega: most people do own something | Aug 07 23:19 |
| msb_ | It's paradoxical that more technology leads to poverty for more people, but it's true! | Aug 07 23:19 |
| MinceR | Omega: and anything someone owns is capital | Aug 07 23:19 |
| Omega | lolno | Aug 07 23:19 |
| prurigro | I wen to his place the other day, which he's been living the past year or so | Aug 07 23:20 |
| Omega | no | Aug 07 23:20 |
| Omega | capital is the means of production | Aug 07 23:20 |
| Omega | most people have bosses | Aug 07 23:20 |
| Omega | they don't own the means of production | Aug 07 23:20 |
| MinceR | and what is something you could exchange for means of production? | Aug 07 23:20 |
| prurigro | and it looks amazing-- spotless, and he's been collecting things to decorate | Aug 07 23:20 |
| MinceR | bosses != owners | Aug 07 23:20 |
| prurigro | the difference? he considers this place his | Aug 07 23:20 |
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| prurigro | responsibility kicks in | Aug 07 23:20 |
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| MinceR | something you could exchange for means of production (for example, money) is also capital, is it not? | Aug 07 23:21 |
| Omega | MinceR: bosses indicate that they are not the owners | Aug 07 23:21 |
| prurigro | money is capital unless you hoard it | Aug 07 23:21 |
| MinceR | actually companies tend to hire bosses who are not owners | Aug 07 23:21 |
| Omega | no | Aug 07 23:21 |
| prurigro | so in that respect, america is kinda moving away from capitalism isn't it | Aug 07 23:21 |
| MinceR | for example, a board of director appoints a CEO | Aug 07 23:21 |
| Omega | the workers are not the owners | Aug 07 23:21 |
| Omega | is my point | Aug 07 23:21 |
| Omega | the workers work for someone else | Aug 07 23:21 |
| msb_ | Those 12 cities are turning into criminal hellholes because industry has moved out. | Aug 07 23:21 |
| MinceR | the company isn't handed to the CEO, he just gets to do part of the management | Aug 07 23:21 |
| Omega | because they don't own the means of production | Aug 07 23:21 |
| Omega | and they are only given enough to keep them coming back (a wage) | Aug 07 23:22 |
| Omega | while the owners do nothing and just get profit | Aug 07 23:22 |
| Omega | it's parasitism | Aug 07 23:22 |
| MinceR | no, it's trade | Aug 07 23:22 |
| msb_ | The same will happen if workers are just replaced by machines -- technology. | Aug 07 23:22 |
| Omega | MinceR: what? | Aug 07 23:22 |
| Omega | "trade"? | Aug 07 23:22 |
| MinceR | and a free market will make workers gravitate to positions where they get a fair trade | Aug 07 23:22 |
| Omega | except, the managers have opposite goals than the workers | Aug 07 23:23 |
| Omega | they want to pay them less | Aug 07 23:23 |
| Omega | the workers want more | Aug 07 23:23 |
| MinceR | msb_: if workers are completely replaced by technology, you don't get broke, unemployed people. you get people who survive without having to work -- or at least people who get to do more creative work | Aug 07 23:23 |
| Omega | and this is all possible because of capitalism | Aug 07 23:23 |
| Omega | just because the private ownership of the means of production | Aug 07 23:24 |
| Omega | if the workers owned the companies | Aug 07 23:24 |
| MinceR | that's not really how managers work | Aug 07 23:24 |
| Omega | they would share the profit | Aug 07 23:24 |
| MinceR | also, in capitalism, it is possible for workers to own companies | Aug 07 23:24 |
| Omega | MinceR: you keep missing the point of what I'm saying | Aug 07 23:24 |
| msb_ | MinceR: Yes, if you have the state distributing the goods evenly to everyone. | Aug 07 23:24 |
| MinceR | msb_: no, the state is unnecessary for this | Aug 07 23:24 |
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| Omega | MinceR: but why would we even allow someone to own a company privately? | Aug 07 23:25 |
| msb_ | MinceR: Then how would it be done? | Aug 07 23:25 |
| Omega | what is the benefit? | Aug 07 23:25 |
| Omega | I only see problems | Aug 07 23:25 |
| MinceR | Omega: so that they're rewarded for the work they've done in order to acquire and maintain it | Aug 07 23:25 |
| Omega | huh | Aug 07 23:25 |
| Omega | they do nothing | Aug 07 23:25 |
| prurigro | Omega, if everyone thought like you, communism would work | Aug 07 23:25 |
| Omega | they have capital, they use capital to gain more capital | Aug 07 23:25 |
| Omega | prurigro: communism doesn't require this | Aug 07 23:25 |
| prurigro | if everyone thought like corporate-libertarians, corporate libertarianism would work | Aug 07 23:26 |
| MinceR | use of capital does involve thought | Aug 07 23:26 |
| Omega | they don't do any actual work | Aug 07 23:26 |
| Omega | but really, what is the benefit | Aug 07 23:26 |
| MinceR | prurigro: but if people think differently from each other, what would work? :> | Aug 07 23:26 |
| Omega | over no capitalism | Aug 07 23:26 |
| MinceR | Omega: the right to have property; free market. | Aug 07 23:26 |
| prurigro | MinceR, you need to balance all the directions people think | Aug 07 23:26 |
| lemmu | prurigro, so we balance it with capitalism? | Aug 07 23:27 |
| Omega | MinceR: you have property under communism, just not private property | Aug 07 23:27 |
| Omega | you still have your personal property | Aug 07 23:27 |
| Omega | why should we allow someone to own someone else's labour (capitalism) | Aug 07 23:27 |
| prurigro | capitalism is a tool that has been shown to work, but it doesn't work on its own | Aug 07 23:27 |
| MinceR | Omega: yes, and if someone knocks me out and starts doing productive work with it, it's no longer personal property, and thus no longer mine | Aug 07 23:27 |
| Omega | MinceR: lolno | Aug 07 23:27 |
| Omega | why do you think this? | Aug 07 23:27 |
| lemmu | prurigro, a tool that has been shown to work? | Aug 07 23:28 |
| lemmu | why are there so many people in poverty? | Aug 07 23:28 |
| Omega | you have a very strange definition of "work" | Aug 07 23:28 |
| Omega | why are we nearing environmental catastrophe? | Aug 07 23:28 |
| MinceR | because it follows from the definitions of "private property", "personal property", "means of production" and the concepts of what ownership is allowed to exist under anarcho-capitalism (as far as i've been told here) | Aug 07 23:28 |
| prurigro | lemmu, because the US isn't taking advantage of other necessary tools | Aug 07 23:28 |
| MinceR | Omega: we're nearing environmental catastrophe because of human irresponsibility | Aug 07 23:29 |
| Omega | because capitalism allows this! | Aug 07 23:29 |
| MinceR | and so do all other systems | Aug 07 23:29 |
| Omega | if the factories were worker owned, they would be much more careful, they wouldn't want to damage their communities | Aug 07 23:29 |
| prurigro | lemmu, come to canada and see the extent poverty goes compared to the US | Aug 07 23:29 |
| MinceR | nope | Aug 07 23:29 |
| Omega | but because the owners live in villas far away | Aug 07 23:29 |
| Omega | they do whatever they want | Aug 07 23:29 |
| MinceR | it is already not in anyone's long term interest to damage the planet they depend on | Aug 07 23:30 |
| MinceR | yet you can see what they do | Aug 07 23:30 |
| prurigro | Omega, worker-owned = collective-owned = noone-owned | Aug 07 23:30 |
| lemmu | prurigro, what are you exactly saying? | Aug 07 23:30 |
| Omega | MinceR: but they don't care, it's in their short term interest | Aug 07 23:30 |
| Omega | they're rich, they'll be safe | Aug 07 23:30 |
| MinceR | Omega: they would not care under any system | Aug 07 23:30 |
| Omega | is what they think | Aug 07 23:30 |
| MinceR | and they're wrong | Aug 07 23:30 |
| prurigro | lemmu, that canada uses capitalism and there aren't very many people in poverty here, and those that are still eat and have a place to sleep if they choose to have it | Aug 07 23:30 |
| Omega | I just explained why they would | Aug 07 23:30 |
| Omega | < Omega> if the factories were worker owned, they would be much more careful, they wouldn't want to damage their communities | Aug 07 23:30 |
| MinceR | no system protects people from being wrong! | Aug 07 23:30 |
| prurigro | Omega, that's assuming the care about the community | Aug 07 23:31 |
| prurigro | they* | Aug 07 23:31 |
| lemmu | prurigro, would you like to live in poverty? | Aug 07 23:31 |
| MinceR | it's also assuming that they know of their options to work (and sustain themselves) without damaging their community | Aug 07 23:31 |
| Omega | prurigro: :| | Aug 07 23:32 |
| MinceR | if they think that the only way for them to survive is to do work in a way that poisons their community, they'll keep doing it | Aug 07 23:32 |
| prurigro | lemmu, I'm not sure how this is a relevant question, but no, I wouldn't? | Aug 07 23:32 |
| Omega | is that really your argument "that's assuming they care about the community" | Aug 07 23:32 |
| Omega | :| | Aug 07 23:32 |
| lemmu | why not? | Aug 07 23:32 |
| MinceR | otherwise they can leave that work, regardless of who owns the means of production | Aug 07 23:32 |
| prurigro | Omega, the sad reality s that while I would work to improve the community, others would not-- you need incentive for them too | Aug 07 23:32 |
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| Omega | prurigro: why not? | Aug 07 23:32 |
| prurigro | you just have to limit that incentive more than America does | Aug 07 23:32 |
| MinceR | Omega: because people are selfish | Aug 07 23:33 |
| prurigro | ^ | Aug 07 23:33 |
| prurigro | not all people | Aug 07 23:33 |
| lemmu | why is it | Aug 07 23:33 |
| Omega | that's because capitalism REWARDS this | Aug 07 23:33 |
| lemmu | that I only ever hear | Aug 07 23:33 |
| MinceR | and to a certain degree, it makes perfect sense to be selfish | Aug 07 23:33 |
| lemmu | "I'd help out, but no one else will" | Aug 07 23:33 |
| lemmu | I never hear anyone blatantly say | Aug 07 23:33 |
| lemmu | "I'd just go out there and fuck everything up" | Aug 07 23:33 |
| MinceR | lemmu: maybe they don't like to confess that? :> | Aug 07 23:34 |
| lemmu | would you really like to just sit around and do nothing for your entire life? | Aug 07 23:34 |
| lemmu | or, perhaps, you can devote your entire life to doing one thing over and over again | Aug 07 23:34 |
| prurigro | lemmu, because being in poverty means I'm spending my life trying to scrape by instead of moving forward-- would you want to live in poverty? | Aug 07 23:34 |
| lemmu | either way sucks | Aug 07 23:34 |
| msb_ | If we had state-owned means of production (with an honestly democratic state), and the profits from all the goods and services went into a common pot, from which everyone got an equal share, then there would be no incentive to pollute or otherwise produce by causing harm. | Aug 07 23:34 |
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| MinceR | i would like to have technology take care of the boring necessities and devote my life to creating and playing and consuming art | Aug 07 23:34 |
| lemmu | prurigro, my point is | Aug 07 23:35 |
| MinceR | and socializing with people i care to do so with | Aug 07 23:35 |
| lemmu | that plenty of people suffer through poverty | Aug 07 23:35 |
| lemmu | and that is not exactly evident of a working system | Aug 07 23:35 |
| Omega | msb_: now remove the state and you're left with a community that owns the emans of production | Aug 07 23:35 |
| Omega | that take care of eachother | Aug 07 23:35 |
| lemmu | MinceR, and we'll soon have the technology to do that | Aug 07 23:35 |
| lemmu | if you believe in the singularity stuff | Aug 07 23:35 |
| MinceR | i hope so | Aug 07 23:35 |
| msb_ | Omega: then the community would be a (small) state. | Aug 07 23:35 |
| Omega | msb_: so everyone can truly participate with the decision making | Aug 07 23:35 |
| msb_ | Omega: Right. | Aug 07 23:36 |
| prurigro | lemmu, my point was, though, that Canada has very few people in poverty, and those that are aren't so to the extent that those in poverty in the US are | Aug 07 23:36 |
| MinceR | how about, that small state has the size of 1 person | Aug 07 23:36 |
| Omega | msb_: not really, you have a state when it's someone's job to manage others | Aug 07 23:36 |
| MinceR | :> | Aug 07 23:36 |
| msb_ | That's what I meant by honestly democratic. | Aug 07 23:36 |
| Omega | but we can all just decide together what to do | Aug 07 23:36 |
| Omega | msb_: then that's nto a state | Aug 07 23:36 |
| Omega | it's just organization | Aug 07 23:36 |
| lemmu | prurigro, so what do you propose gets done about the poverty issue? | Aug 07 23:36 |
| Omega | which is what I'm proposing | Aug 07 23:36 |
| lemmu | do we fix poverty with more capitalism? | Aug 07 23:36 |
| lemmu | or do we just brush it off | Aug 07 23:36 |
| lemmu | and say | Aug 07 23:36 |
| lemmu | "It's not that bad, but I'd hate to live in it" | Aug 07 23:37 |
| MinceR | we could help things by removing corrupting influences | Aug 07 23:37 |
| prurigro | lemmu, provide social support to ensure everyone has at least their basic needs taken care of, and that their incentive to work is to move beyond simply having what you need | Aug 07 23:37 |
| MinceR | like abusive monopolists | Aug 07 23:37 |
| lemmu | people in poverty most certainly do not simply have what they need | Aug 07 23:38 |
| prurigro | lemmu, I consider myself a socialist libertarian btw | Aug 07 23:38 |
| Omega | prurigro: do you mean anarchist? | Aug 07 23:38 |
| Omega | because you don't sound like one | Aug 07 23:38 |
| prurigro | lemmu, the ones in Canada do for the most part | Aug 07 23:38 |
| msb_ | Omega: Some organization has to decide what MOP to have, to sell the goods and services, and to distribute the profits. Some organization has to maintain cops to stop people from robbing and murdering. I'm calling those the state. | Aug 07 23:38 |
| Omega | being pro-capitalism and stuff | Aug 07 23:38 |
| Omega | prurigro: libertarian socialism is anti-capitalist | Aug 07 23:38 |
| lemmu | prurigro, what about the ones in India or Greece? | Aug 07 23:39 |
| lemmu | or maybe | Aug 07 23:39 |
| lemmu | a good part of Africa? | Aug 07 23:39 |
| MinceR | msb_: why not let the market decide what MOP to have, to sell the goods and services and to distribute the profits? | Aug 07 23:39 |
| Omega | msb_: why have money? | Aug 07 23:39 |
| MinceR | why not arm the people so they can stop others from robbing and murdering? | Aug 07 23:39 |
| prurigro | Omega, no, I believe in the least governing possible, and I believe in the most freedom possible for individuals, but I also believe that anarchy would never work | Aug 07 23:39 |
| prurigro | its an ideal to strive twoards | Aug 07 23:39 |
| Omega | also, cops don't stop people from robbing | Aug 07 23:39 |
| MinceR | ^ | Aug 07 23:39 |
| msb_ | MinceR: because then you have capitalism with all of its abuses. | Aug 07 23:39 |
| Omega | not having a society where someone needs to rob does | Aug 07 23:40 |
| Omega | fixing your social problems does | Aug 07 23:40 |
| MinceR | msb_: i prefer capitalism with all of its abuses to statist communism with all of its abuses. | Aug 07 23:40 |
| lemmu | This society glorifies robbing things | Aug 07 23:40 |
| prurigro | Omega, socialism and capitalism are only the anti of eachother in their absolutes | Aug 07 23:40 |
| MinceR | i've seen both. | Aug 07 23:40 |
| Omega | prurigro: lolno | Aug 07 23:40 |
| Omega | by definition they exclude eachother | Aug 07 23:40 |
| Omega | capitalism is the private ownership of means of production | Aug 07 23:41 |
| prurigro | Omega, their definition describes them in their absolute | Aug 07 23:41 |
| lemmu | it basically forces you to do it if you want to escape from the bottom rung of the societal ladder | Aug 07 23:41 |
| MinceR | Omega: what about a capitalist democracy with social services? | Aug 07 23:41 |
| Omega | socialism is the common ownership of the means of production | Aug 07 23:41 |
| Omega | so they literally are mutually exclusive | Aug 07 23:41 |
| Omega | they oppose eachother comepletely | Aug 07 23:41 |
| prurigro | you can have a capitalist society with a taxation system that puts money into social programs | Aug 07 23:41 |
| msb_ | MinceR: You've seen a system that descends from a totally corrupt one that called itself communist. | Aug 07 23:41 |
| lemmu | democracy can be oppressive, too | Aug 07 23:41 |
| prurigro | I live in a country that employs both | Aug 07 23:41 |
| Omega | prurigro: that does not make it socialist | Aug 07 23:41 |
| prurigro | hell, even america is technically both, although much closer to the capitalist end | Aug 07 23:42 |
| Omega | no | Aug 07 23:42 |
| MinceR | msb_: planned economy and the police having a monopoly on violence does sound an awful lot like it. | Aug 07 23:42 |
| prurigro | Omega, here's what you're doing | Aug 07 23:42 |
| Omega | america is capitalist | Aug 07 23:42 |
| Omega | to the bone | Aug 07 23:42 |
| Omega | socialist does not mean welfare state | Aug 07 23:42 |
| msb_ | America has some support systems. | Aug 07 23:42 |
| prurigro | youer saying that extrovert and introvert are mutually exclusive | Aug 07 23:42 |
| MinceR | at least legally, the usa is not laissez-faire capitalist | Aug 07 23:42 |
| prurigro | that their definitions exclude eachother | Aug 07 23:42 |
| prurigro | and they do | Aug 07 23:42 |
| Omega | prurigro: no, I'm not | Aug 07 23:42 |
| MinceR | it has some antitrust regulations, even if they're not practiced. | Aug 07 23:42 |
| prurigro | but noone's an extrovert or an introvert | Aug 07 23:42 |
| prurigro | there's a spectrum | Aug 07 23:42 |
| Omega | I'm saying that capitalism and socialism exclude eachother | Aug 07 23:42 |
| msb_ | I didn't say that police should have a monopoly on force. | Aug 07 23:43 |
| prurigro | capitalism and socialism are two ends of a spectrum | Aug 07 23:43 |
| Omega | :| | Aug 07 23:43 |
| prurigro | OK | Aug 07 23:43 |
| MinceR | msb_: true, i might have interpreted your statement as an extreme, there. | Aug 07 23:43 |
| msb_ | Because cops always take a while to arrive, for one thing. | Aug 07 23:43 |
| MinceR | indeed | Aug 07 23:44 |
| Omega | msb_: why should it be a profession to police others | Aug 07 23:44 |
| prurigro | can you argue that Canada is not socialist at all, or not capitalist at all? | Aug 07 23:44 |
| Omega | why not just take care of eachother | Aug 07 23:44 |
| Omega | prurigro: canada is not socialist | Aug 07 23:44 |
| Omega | it is capitalist | Aug 07 23:44 |
| lemmu | ^ | Aug 07 23:44 |
| Omega | no doubt about it | Aug 07 23:44 |
| Omega | it's a welfare state | Aug 07 23:44 |
| Omega | but a capitalsit welfare state | Aug 07 23:44 |
| Omega | not one spec of socialism | Aug 07 23:44 |
| prurigro | umm | Aug 07 23:44 |
| prurigro | ok, lets hear your definition o socialism | Aug 07 23:44 |
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| MinceR | a welfare state does imply redistribution of wealth, though | Aug 07 23:44 |
| prurigro | so we're on the same page | Aug 07 23:44 |
| Omega | < Omega> socialism is the common ownership of the means of production | Aug 07 23:45 |
| MinceR | (which is often called a socialist thing, i don't know if it is by your definition) | Aug 07 23:45 |
| Omega | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism | Aug 07 23:45 |
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| Omega | MinceR: that is also due to the red scare | Aug 07 23:45 |
| prurigro | Omega, my definition agrees with that | Aug 07 23:45 |
| prurigro | and Canada certainly fits that definition in certain areas | Aug 07 23:45 |
| MinceR | (after all, it does weaken some principles of property somewhat) | Aug 07 23:45 |
| prurigro | we only recently got rid of our socially owned gas company | Aug 07 23:46 |
| prurigro | power is socially owned | Aug 07 23:46 |
| prurigro | roads are socially owned | Aug 07 23:46 |
| Omega | no | Aug 07 23:46 |
| Omega | they are state owned | Aug 07 23:46 |
| msb_ | If the govt takes some of the profit of the MoP and redistributes it, that is sort of partial ownership of the MoP. | Aug 07 23:46 |
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| prurigro | Omega, the government manages them | Aug 07 23:46 |
| Omega | they are state owned | Aug 07 23:46 |
| prurigro | we pay in and directly reap the benefits for free | Aug 07 23:47 |
| Omega | yes, but they are state owned | Aug 07 23:47 |
| prurigro | how so? | Aug 07 23:47 |
| Omega | you pay taxes, but they are state owned | Aug 07 23:47 |
| Omega | because uh, the state owns them and gets to decide what happens to them | Aug 07 23:47 |
| msb_ | Omega: If the state is democratically controlled by the workers, then state-owned equals worker-owned. | Aug 07 23:47 |
| prurigro | who is "the state?" | Aug 07 23:47 |
| Omega | prurigro: the government | Aug 07 23:47 |
| prurigro | the government doesn't just get to shut them down | Aug 07 23:47 |
| prurigro | or change how they operate | Aug 07 23:48 |
| Omega | actually they do | Aug 07 23:48 |
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| MinceR | the state is supposed to represent the people and carry out their will | Aug 07 23:48 |
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| MinceR | (which it of course rarely does) | Aug 07 23:48 |
| lemmu | oh please | Aug 07 23:48 |
| Omega | if they pass a law tomorrow that says to shut them down, it happens | Aug 07 23:48 |
| lemmu | you cannot possibly represent the entirety of canada with one prime minister | Aug 07 23:48 |
| prurigro | we often have referendums | Aug 07 23:48 |
| prurigro | and no | Aug 07 23:48 |
| Omega | "often" | Aug 07 23:49 |
| Omega | meaning what? | Aug 07 23:49 |
| prurigro | once a law is passed it goes through a final screening process | Aug 07 23:49 |
| Omega | how frequent | Aug 07 23:49 |
| lemmu | if it were actually what you were saying, there wouldn't be any elected officials at all | Aug 07 23:49 |
| prurigro | to see if it is compatible with the laws the people have put in | Aug 07 23:49 |
| prurigro | also, the government only gets so much say | Aug 07 23:49 |
| Omega | the government gets all the say dude | Aug 07 23:49 |
| Omega | anyone that opposes them gets kidnapped and tortured | Aug 07 23:49 |
| Omega | (prison) | Aug 07 23:49 |
| prurigro | ok, the government decriminalized marijuana a while ago | Aug 07 23:49 |
| Omega | so? | Aug 07 23:50 |
| prurigro | and a judge decided to recriminalize it | Aug 07 23:50 |
| lemmu | what? | Aug 07 23:50 |
| Omega | what point are you trying to make? | Aug 07 23:50 |
| prurigro | lol | Aug 07 23:50 |
| prurigro | power is spread out | Aug 07 23:50 |
| Omega | lol | Aug 07 23:50 |
| Omega | do you actually believe that? | Aug 07 23:50 |
| msb_ | Reality, and people's needs and desires, are very complex. That means that the principles followed by government in making decisions also must be complex. | Aug 07 23:50 |
| lemmu | that doesn't make canada socialist | Aug 07 23:50 |
| prurigro | no, we were kind of on a tangent | Aug 07 23:50 |
| lemmu | what gave that one judge authority to speak for the entirety of the state? | Aug 07 23:51 |
| prurigro | "There are many varieties of socialism and there is no single definition encapsulating all of them.[3] They differ in the type of social ownership they advocate, the degree to which they rely on markets versus planning, how management is to be organised within economic enterprises, and the role of the state in constructing socialism.[4] | Aug 07 23:51 |
| prurigro | " | Aug 07 23:51 |
| MinceR | lemmu: legal loopholes? :) | Aug 07 23:51 |
| prurigro | lemmu, we operate on president law | Aug 07 23:51 |
| lemmu | but it sounds so stupid | Aug 07 23:52 |
| prurigro | whatever decisions have been made in the past can be referenced and used as law in future cases | Aug 07 23:52 |
| MinceR | if it wasn't a loophole, there's something broken with that system of justice | Aug 07 23:52 |
| prurigro | its a slow evolution of law that gets carried out across the country | Aug 07 23:52 |
| msb_ | For one thing, people need to see that something isn't wrong if it doesn't harm anyone. So once and for all they have to decide that cannabis and GLBT marriage are OK, regardless of the goddamn bibble. | Aug 07 23:52 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure about the wisdom of precedent law | Aug 07 23:52 |
| prurigro | MinceR, its questionable-- both systems have their upsids and downsides, I mean, the US doesn't use it and look at their war on drugs | Aug 07 23:53 |
| MinceR | afaik the us does use it | Aug 07 23:53 |
| prurigro | when you give a single group of like minded people the power to do that much | Aug 07 23:53 |
| lemmu | prurigro, how else are we going to keep our 90% prison occupancy? | Aug 07 23:53 |
| MinceR | lemmu: demolish some prisons? :> | Aug 07 23:54 |
| Omega | prurigro: except we don't need them | Aug 07 23:54 |
| prurigro | lemmu, that's killing contributing corporations in the economy | Aug 07 23:54 |
| prurigro | ! | Aug 07 23:54 |
| Omega | socialism has no downsides over capitalism | Aug 07 23:54 |
| lemmu | what? | Aug 07 23:54 |
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| MinceR | what? | Aug 07 23:55 |
| prurigro | Omega, socialism and capitalism aren't mutually exclusive-- look in the wikipedia article, you're using one definition of it when there are many that are equally accepted | Aug 07 23:55 |
| msb_ | If socialism has a planned economy it has to be very nimble and responsive to needs. | Aug 07 23:55 |
| MinceR | a planned economy can't be nimble or responsive | Aug 07 23:55 |
| MinceR | you can't have a committee take risky decisions that small companies can | Aug 07 23:55 |
| prurigro | MinceR, ahh, I remember now-- the US' system of law is 'common law' | Aug 07 23:56 |
| Omega | dude | Aug 07 23:56 |
| Omega | they ARE | Aug 07 23:56 |
| Omega | < Omega> capitalism is the private ownership of means of production | Aug 07 23:56 |
| Omega | < Omega> socialism is the social ownership of the means of production | Aug 07 23:56 |
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| Omega | they exclude eachother | Aug 07 23:56 |
| prurigro | Omega, you're absolutely correct if we go with your definitions | Aug 07 23:56 |
| Omega | not just mine, but marx's, kropotkin's, bakunin's | Aug 07 23:57 |
| prurigro | but your definition of socialism doesn't include "state" owned property | Aug 07 23:57 |
| Omega | prurigro: :| | Aug 07 23:57 |
| prurigro | or I suppose in canada "crown owned" | Aug 07 23:57 |
| Omega | what are you even talking about | Aug 07 23:57 |
| MinceR | well, neither does anarcho-communism | Aug 07 23:57 |
| msb_ | This economist, arguing from history, says that we at least must have confiscatory levels of taxation in the high brackets, and major payments to the unemployed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJlXhYigqAQ | Aug 07 23:58 |
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| lemmu | what are we ALL talking about? | Aug 07 23:58 |
| lemmu | are you guys seriously trying to argue over whether Canada is socialist or not? | Aug 07 23:58 |
| MinceR | lemmu: we're in a heated debate about disagreements that mostly stem from using different definitions of the same terms :> | Aug 07 23:58 |
| prurigro | Omega, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_and_social_democracy_in_Canada "Democratic socialism and Social democracy have been, along with liberalism and conservatism, a political force in Canada." | Aug 07 23:58 |
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| Omega | "have been" | Aug 07 23:58 |
| Omega | "a political force" | Aug 07 23:59 |
| prurigro | yes, they have | Aug 07 23:59 |
| Omega | meaning a MOVEMENT | Aug 07 23:59 |
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| Omega | not that canada is capitalist | Aug 07 23:59 |
| Omega | · >· | Aug 07 23:59 |
| Omega | ·< · | Aug 07 23:59 |
| prurigro | Omega, no, that's not what its saying | Aug 07 23:59 |
| lemmu | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada | Aug 07 23:59 |
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| prurigro | its saying that it is a system we have employed | Aug 07 23:59 |
| lemmu | where exactly | Aug 07 23:59 |
| lemmu | does it say that Canada is socialist? | Aug 07 23:59 |
| prurigro | along with those other sysems | Aug 07 23:59 |
| MinceR | "Social democracy rejects the "either/or" polarization interpretation of capitalism versus socialism." https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Social_democracy | Aug 07 23:59 |
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