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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] How To Stay On #IRC Forever Using Linux bar ISP errorsNov 03 00:00
TechrightsBot-trTitle: How To Stay On IRC Forever Using Linux .::. Size~: 41.89 KBNov 03 00:00
schestowitzLOL 03 00:04
TechrightsBot-tr@patentmeter: Without patent protection, competitors would build Apple clones, prices would plummet, Apple no longer have incentive 2 innovate #swpatsNov 03 00:04
schestowitzwhat nonsenseNov 03 00:04
MinceRyeah, that incentive is working out so well for themNov 03 00:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] All generations participate 03 00:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Libya mission was CIA operation: report #ciaNov 03 00:13
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] US Government: You Don't Own Your Cloud Data So We Can Access It At Any Time - /. #eff #megaupload #usa #policestateNov 03 00:16
TechrightsBot-trTitle: US Government: You Don't Own Your Cloud Data So We Can Access It At Any Time - Slashdot .::. Size~: 342.05 KBNov 03 00:16
schestowitz 03 00:18 One must acknowledge the reality that, Mozilla #Firefox (also in Ubuntu) has an address bar that's spyware (but not for local files)Nov 03 00:18
schestowitz"Yeah, I know that, Tyler. I don't think, however, that Icecot removes Google from that deal."Nov 03 00:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] LOL, @twitter spammers now targeting me with Google Chrome App ads. :D !twitterfailsNov 03 00:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] “Glitch” wipes out 1,000 early votes in black FL neighborhood #election #fraud #gopNov 03 00:20
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schestowitz 03 00:20 reshared: #gif #horses #surfing #sea #ocean #collage #surrealism found here: 03 00:20
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schestowitz"Is it RAGNAROK happening?!"Nov 03 00:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Payment processor Stripe reinstates Nifty Archive, a publisher of erotic, legal, Constitutionally-protected fiction. 03 00:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] LibreOffice and OpenOffice clash over user numbers (OStatic) 03 00:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Politics 03 00:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Threat of #terrorism while #cia and #fbi themselves create the threat of terror sometimesNov 03 00:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Jailbreaking 03 00:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Android Made Up Three-Quarters Of All Smartphone Shipments Last Quarter 03 00:40
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schestowitz 03 00:40 Stallman: "Google Chrome has a universal back door, which is another way of saying auto-update" !fsfNov 03 00:40
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schestowitz"@marc Midori ah? . . . never heard of it, but it looks pretty interesnting. I've been using Opera as my second browser, maybe it's time to change it."Nov 03 00:40
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schestowitz"Easy to say. Difficult to prove. Likely a Canonical Conspiracy."Nov 03 00:41 Even if you do not use #ubuntu the #amazongate affects you because it sets bad precedence for other distros/OSes (user as a product).Nov 03 00:41
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msb_It's nice that MTE is encouraging people to use Linux ("How To Stay On IRC Forever Using Linux") but their method seems overly complicated.  The Konversation IRC client reconnects after network downages, either automatically, or just by clicking again on your bookmark(s) for the channel(s) you're on.  Also it keeps full logs for all channels it's connected to, so you can easily go back and catch up.  Nov 03 00:51
msb_Or am I missing something?Nov 03 00:52
MinceRit's easier to log on remotely into a shell than a GUINov 03 00:54
MinceRif you were to use Konversation remotely, you'd probably need to use VNC or xpraNov 03 00:54
Diablo-D3or x2go or spiceNov 03 00:55
Diablo-D3you know, spice seems to be really niceNov 03 00:55
MinceR:)Nov 03 00:55
Diablo-D3its redhat's remote view solutionNov 03 00:55
MinceRdoes spice support resizing the screen via xrandr?Nov 03 00:55
Diablo-D3I think soNov 03 00:55
MinceRwhen i tried it i couldn't get it to work but it was relatively new back thenNov 03 00:55
Diablo-D3Im interested in spice because it encodes high motion areas (like video) with mjpegNov 03 00:55
MinceRi haven't heard of x2go beforeNov 03 00:55
Diablo-D3x2go is a fork of nomachine NXNov 03 00:56
MinceRalso, a commenter mentions quassel but i don't have experience with thatNov 03 00:56
MinceRicNov 03 00:56
Diablo-D3x2go wants to add spice as wellNov 03 00:56
Diablo-D3spice is too focused on thin clients thoughNov 03 00:56
Diablo-D3so you use the existing kvm shit to make a spice machineNov 03 00:57
Diablo-D3and then connect to it from somewhereNov 03 00:57
Diablo-D3theres also their xserver with the qxl shit built inNov 03 00:57
Diablo-D3but they dont seem to be focused on thatNov 03 00:57
MinceRcan x2go detach/reattach to the same x session?Nov 03 00:57
Diablo-D3yesNov 03 00:57
Diablo-D3Ive been trying it out, but its still not enough even on gigabitNov 03 00:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Must stay in the friend zone. But it's tough.Nov 03 00:58
schestowitz 03 00:58 Jailbreaking 03 00:58
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Diablo-D3debian doesnt build spice on ppc yetNov 03 00:58
schestowitz"Sorry I didn't mean to post that."Nov 03 00:58
Diablo-D3so I cant check spice speed in real world conditions yetNov 03 00:58
schestowitzmsb_: 03 00:59
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schestowitz 03 01:02 Politics 03 01:02
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schestowitz"Oh I meant to post it here. [I use this code [photo]() or photo]"Nov 03 01:02
schestowitzOh, that makes senseNov 03 01:02
schestowitz"Nov 03 01:02
schestowitzI dont know how to show the code without it posting try removing some spaces on this-Nov 03 01:02
schestowitzI use this code ! [photo] () or ! [photo] ( 03 01:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Free Software Supporter available in Spanish! !fsfNov 03 01:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Tasteless headline politicises storm: "Hurricane Sandy Endorses Obama" 03 01:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #obama has been pretty much useless on environmental reform. In fact, people forget how he sucked up to #bp amid fiasco.Nov 03 01:11
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Hurricane Sandy Endorses Obama: Storm Provides a Counter-Narrative to the  Hundreds of Millions in Fossil Fuel Campaign Contributions | PR Watch .::. Size~: 62.56 KBNov 03 01:11
msb_schestowitz: I haven't even been following this Benghazi business, but I do know that the US, in the guise of "NATO", attacked, invaded and destroyed the very popular semi-socialist Libyan government and economy of Muammar Gaddafi, tortured and murdered Gaddafi, and installed a NWO puppet regime.  The ultra-wealthy psychopaths who run US foreign policy do not permit beneficial socialism to exist anywhere in the world lest their slave Nov 03 01:13
msb_laborers get inspired and revolt.  Nov 03 01:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Kaufman: Hungry Investors Driving Up Food Prices hitting poor people hardest, but we only hear of datacentres and suchNov 03 01:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] 03 01:13
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Kaufman: Hungry Investors Driving Up Food Prices - Businessweek .::. Size~: 54.06 KBNov 03 01:13
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Sydney Youngblood - If only i could Video  - biene60 - MyVideo .::. Size~: 113.58 KBNov 03 01:13
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Sydney Youngblood - If only i could Video  - biene60 - MyVideo .::. Size~: 113.65 KBNov 03 01:13
msb_schestowitz: 03 01:14
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Libya Truth (DnB Soundtrack) - YouTube .::. Size~: 181.12 KBNov 03 01:14
schestowitzmsb_:  "The Wall Street Journal said on Friday the mission was mainly a #CIA #operation, adding that of the 30 American officials evacuated from #Benghazi following the assault, just seven worked for the #State #Departmen"Nov 03 01:14
msb_schestowitz: So this was a false-flag terror operation run by the CIA?  To me it's insignificant compared to the destruction by the US of a leader and whole nation that were very beneficial to their people, and that invasion and mass murder were totally ignored by the mainstream media.Nov 03 01:17
msb_schestowitz: Please watch that video -- 03 01:17
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Libya Truth (DnB Soundtrack) - YouTube .::. Size~: 181.75 KBNov 03 01:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Linux-based #Android Rules the Smartphone World #linuxNov 03 01:18
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msb_schestowitz: The US attack and destruction of Libya is a prime example of the US being the center of world fascism and mass murder for the psychopathic variety of  capitalism.Nov 03 01:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Apple's revised Samsung design statement printed in UK newspapers #appleNov 03 01:20
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Apple's revised Samsung design statement printed in UK newspapers | The Verge .::. Size~: 149.56 KBNov 03 01:20
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msb_schestowitz: But thanks for drawing my attention to that article.  It reinforces the original point.Nov 03 01:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] RAZE Break 4 Love (Original) 03 01:23
TechrightsBot-trTitle: RAZE Break 4 Love (Original) - YouTube .::. Size~: 159.15 KBNov 03 01:23
schestowitz 03 01:25
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Ad networks are killing the Internet. My answer is Cringely 3.0 ~ I, Cringely .::. Size~: 86.03 KBNov 03 01:25
schestowitzmsb_:  agreedNov 03 01:25
msb_schestowitz: The CIA was trying to paint as evil the remaining Libyan defenders who are still trying to take back their nation from the fascist US monster that destroyed it. Nov 03 01:25
schestowitzjust spent some hours explaining to this to my wife, sicne she had asked about my opinion on LibyaNov 03 01:26
schestowitzA lot of people fall for the MSM BS storiesNov 03 01:26
schestowitzlike the two-party systemsNov 03 01:26
schestowitz":bad countries" vs "good countries"Nov 03 01:26
schestowitzWar as bad vs good, or vice versa,  rather than a conflict between two evilsNov 03 01:26
msb_As Michael Parenti said, according to the US govt, the worst possible crime is to resist an invasion and attack by the US govt.Nov 03 01:26
schestowitzIt's all very much like kids' booksNov 03 01:26
schestowitzmsb_: US does not attackNov 03 01:27
schestowitzit spreads democracyNov 03 01:27
schestowitzwar for peaceNov 03 01:27
schestowitzwar is peacreNov 03 01:27
schestowitzuit's all PRNov 03 01:27
schestowitzand they dominate thre pressNov 03 01:27
schestowitzAl Jazeera and RT challenge this on the Enl;gish-soeaking sideNov 03 01:27
schestowitzSo they need to daemonise thoseNov 03 01:27
msb_Yep.  The reality is that it's all about money.  Greedy ultra-wealthy psychopath businessmen control the US govt -- have done throughout the 20th century -- and use it to subvert and destroy socialism.Nov 03 01:28
msb_...everywhere in the world.Nov 03 01:28
msb_US businessmen financed and armed Hitler to murder socialists, social-democrats, and trade-union leaders throughout Europe, so the businessmen could use European workers as slaves.Nov 03 01:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Privatization of Public Services and Natural Resources common form of corruptionNov 03 01:30
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schestowitzI hard that it was about the USD in partNov 03 01:30
schestowitzwhen a nation thinks of using another currency to trade old withNov 03 01:30
schestowitzWhich makes it like a declaration of war (on US banks)Nov 03 01:30
msb_Those US businessmen were responsible for World War II that killed upwards of 70 million people.Nov 03 01:30
schestowitznot directly responsibleNov 03 01:31
schestowitzjust indirectlyNov 03 01:31
schestowitzit;'s  easy to blame the symptomNov 03 01:31
schestowitzanyway, keep an eye on Greece nowNov 03 01:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] If a nation starts a war for peace (or to "spread democracy", "stablise the region" or whatever PR it uses), then war *IS* peace.Nov 03 01:31
msb_References here: 03 01:32
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Human Society That Works For Everyone .::. Size~: 28.69 KBNov 03 01:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] 03 01:33
TechrightsBot-trTitle: George Baker Selection - Una Paloma Blanca Video  - emma19210 - MyVideo .::. Size~: 110.82 KBNov 03 01:33
TechrightsBot-trTitle: ur1 Generator .::. Size~: 2.61 KBNov 03 01:33
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Jan Wildeboer - Google+ -… .::. Size~: 146.45 KBNov 03 01:33
schestowitz 03 01:33 #Unity - uniting #ubuntu users w/ #facebook profiling DB, which it openly shares w/ Microsoft. And then there's Gates-funded BBC too...Nov 03 01:33
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schestowitz"Okay, here's the thing. My parents are not computer people. They are into agriculture and teaching. And they both use and enjoy using Ubuntu. If Ubuntu is going to integrate FB into Unity I think they ought to know. What Dr. Ray says still matters to most people. I use Ubuntu and I am a contributor too. And I care. Does not mean I'm OK with everything that Ubuntu does. Why do you think I use AwesomeWM??"Nov 03 01:33
schestowitzthere's this ubuntu fan trolling meNov 03 01:34
schestowitzin like 20 threadsNov 03 01:34
msb_Yes, directly responsible.  Those US businessmen gave Hitler 75% of the money for his military buildup for WW2.  And they gave him his orders.Nov 03 01:34
schestowitzit's rather pathetic really (and a bit vulgar at times), and I still ignore himNov 03 01:34
schestowitziirc, goebbels and  president of the US met at one point, ot maybe it was another govt offcialNov 03 01:37
schestowitzThey seems to be very chummy in the videoNov 03 01:37
msb_War is war.  If you explain the background of the situation and the motives of the attackers, and the details of democracy being prevented, then the PR of "spreading democracy" or "stability" is exposed as a vicious lie.Nov 03 01:39
schestowitzit wasn't eisenhauer or trumanNov 03 01:39
schestowitz 03 01:41
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Herr Joseph Goebbels Propoganda Minister. - YouTube .::. Size~: 144.81 KBNov 03 01:41
schestowitzgoogle puts a gateway before one watches itNov 03 01:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Herman van Veen-Fiets Dutchies! 03 01:43
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Herman van Veen-Fiets - YouTube .::. Size~: 124.67 KBNov 03 01:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Herman van Veen Hilversum III dem good ole times! 03 01:53
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Herman van Veen  Hilversum III - YouTube .::. Size~: 148.01 KBNov 03 01:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Best song ATM. In dutch. Herman van Veen Suzanne 03 02:03
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MinceRgnNov 03 02:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] How I feel. 03 02:13
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Leonard Cohen - Suzanne on Vimeo .::. Size~: 33.2 KBNov 03 02:13
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Oh the sisters of mercythey are not departed or goneThey were waiting for mewhen I thought that I just can't go onAnd ... 03 02:23
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Jan Wildeboer - Google+ - Oh the sisters of mercy they are not departed or gone They… .::. Size~: 142.08 KBNov 03 02:23
msb_schestowitz: I watched as much of Goebbels as I could stand.  Living people don't look like that.  That is a robot programmed for evil -- anti-life.Nov 03 02:29
msb_Our planet is a battleground of good vs. evil -- life vs. anti-life.Nov 03 02:29
msb_Why, we don't know.Nov 03 02:29
msb_We don't really know the real background of what's going on on this world, or what lies beyond it, or our actual nature -- material or spiritual.Nov 03 02:30
msb_The evil, the anti-life, could have destroyed us all at any time, because destruction is much easier than creation.Nov 03 02:31
msb_A nuclear war, and engineered epidemic, and all of humanity would be dead.Nov 03 02:31
msb_Easily.Nov 03 02:32
msb_But either that isn't the real goal of the anti-life, or they are constrained by rules that  prevent them from doing it.Nov 03 02:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] 3D printing fun. 0.2 mm layers. Good night. 03 02:33
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TechrightsBot-trTitle: Jan Wildeboer - Google+ - 3D printing fun. 0.2 mm layers. Good night. .::. Size~: 145.46 KBNov 03 02:33
msb_The anti-life attacks and controls us in two main ways -- physical weapons -- bombs, guns, diseases, starvation, etc.Nov 03 02:34
msb_and mind-control -- propaganda, religion, TV and newspapers, Edward Bernays.Nov 03 02:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] 75% of smartphones shipped last quarter use Android: 03 02:35
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Android Marks Fourth Anniversary Since Launch with 75.0% Market Share in Third Quarter, According to IDC - prUS23771812 .::. Size~: 55.61 KBNov 03 02:35
msb_The human species is evolving.  With the Internet, Free Software, and ever cheaper computers, the truth about what's happening, and what has happened, on this planet is getting out to more and more people.Nov 03 02:35
msb_And the programming that prevents them from thinking about that truth is slowly being worn away.Nov 03 02:36
msb_For about $75 people can have a very powerful computer capable of high-bandwidth audiovisual presentations.Nov 03 02:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Can !friendica use #postgresql database?..Nov 03 02:38
msb_Eventually, the anti-life will be purged from control of our governments and economies.Nov 03 02:38
msb_Although it makes the murders of hundreds of millions of people look trivial, apparently we are in a learning environment here on Earth.Nov 03 02:40
msb_The proof is that the anti-life is constrained by rules, that are enforced by something more powerful than them.  Otherwise they would have killed us all long ago.Nov 03 02:41
msb_So it seems we are in a learning environment here in which we are learning to fight for life itself, and against anti-life.Nov 03 02:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Moar good music from my home country. Nits - Nescio (live) 03 02:43
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Nits - Nescio (live) - YouTube .::. Size~: 143.06 KBNov 03 02:43
msb_The prevalent form of anti-life that we see are psychopaths -- monsters in human bodies that don't have human spirits.Nov 03 02:44
msb_It's much easier for us to understand that now that we have computers.Nov 03 02:45
msb_We can have a nice functional, beneficial computer, but if it's reprogrammed -- if it's non-material part is altered, e.g. with a malevolent virus -- then instead of being beneficial it becomes destructive and harmful.Nov 03 02:46
msb_The physical part is the same, but the non-material, pattern  part that controls it is very different, and the result is that the whole thing is totally altered.Nov 03 02:47
msb_In the same way, psychopaths have human bodies, so they look human,  but they aren't.Nov 03 02:48
msb_Actually, if you look closely at them, they don't even look human, because the mind affects the body.  Goebbels did not really look human.Nov 03 02:49
msb_So the human species is evolving, and we here in techrights are helping it to evolve.Nov 03 02:50
msb_Humanity is like a sleeping person, immersed in nasty dreams.  Nov 03 02:51
msb_But thanks to communication technology -- from talking, to writing, to broadcasting to the Internet -- humanity is slowly waking up.Nov 03 02:53
msb_The Internet is our nervous system, our physical brain, and it is gradually waking up.Nov 03 02:53
msb_So keep on fighting for free software, cheap hardware, open Internet, and against Microsoft, Apple, and patents and copyrights.  It's all much more worthwhile than we suspect.Nov 03 02:57
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Not perfect, but not bad, considering... !NaNoWriMo Day#2 Wordcount 3138 ... time to call it a night & get some sleepNov 03 04:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Seems Richard Stallman has stopped fighting software patents and instead would settle for limiting effects? Am I in a ... 03 07:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] Wow, just saw that we already have 32% funded for the new #pdfreaders page 03 09:00
schestowitzmsb_: right...Nov 03 09:11
schestowitzjust woke up, time for Linux links...Nov 03 09:11
msb_schestowitz: What is "Linux links"?  radio show?  COLA workout?Nov 03 09:13
msb_Saving world through free software?  Yes!Nov 03 09:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] November 2015 is approaching 03 09:15
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msb_Not only vital for communication and consciousness, but great example of benefits of sharing instead of competing!Nov 03 09:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] A system that necessitates unemployment among some population parts is inefficient and unjust, like a system that bans women labour.Nov 03 09:16
msb_What happens in November 2015?Nov 03 09:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Keeping people who are eager to work out of the wage 'food chain' (money is man-made anyway) to create scracity akin to not housing all.Nov 03 09:18
msb_Problem is 8-hour day / 40 hour week.  With technology, people only have to work a couple hours a week to create all they need!Nov 03 09:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Hunger in the world is not the result of food shortage; it's the fear of devaluing food by giving it to people without 03 09:20
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schestowitz 03 09:21 Facebook, others back Linaro's Linux-on-ARM project #linaro #linuxNov 03 09:21
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schestowitz"Facebook is Microsoft. Their intrusion into gnu/linux and arm is cause for alarm."Nov 03 09:21
schestowitzZuck said it himself. He would have worked for Microsoft if not for Facebook.Nov 03 09:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Apple: can employ 10 year old kids in China to assemble iDevices, cannot employ desperate Americans.Nov 03 09:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Child at labour 03 09:21
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msb_It should certainly not be incorporated into Ubuntu.Nov 03 09:22
schestowitz 03 09:22 If a nation starts a war for peace (or to "spread democracy", "stablise the region" or whatever PR it uses), then war *IS* peace.Nov 03 09:22
schestowitz"No. In that case it is war, claiming to be for peace. Ultimately it is just war. Same as it's always been."Nov 03 09:22
msb_That's like ruining OLPC by forcing it to accomdate MS-Windows.Nov 03 09:22
schestowitzMy sarcasm was hard to come by?Nov 03 09:22
msb_Sarcasm is difficult in pure text without tone of voice.Nov 03 09:23
schestowitz 03 09:23 reshared: ### #Anonymous #Protest against the #Surveillance #Project #INDECT of the #EU ![protest]( #Europe #Video #Camera #CCTV #privacy #database #politics #HumanRights #Democracy #fail #freedomNov 03 09:23
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schestowitz"I'll tell you what, if I was part of the Big Brother surveillence state, I'd be working on automated identification systems that use biometrics other than face recognition. Humans are hard wired to spot small differences in the face most easily, but every part of the body is equally unique from person to person. If you stop focusing on faces, just because most humans do, you'd bypass 99.999% of people's attempts to avoid being Nov 03 09:24
schestowitzidentified. The only real issue, is that other body parts people are more likely to keep covered, or lack high contrast features. Hands though could be a good place to start..."Nov 03 09:24
schestowitzToday's facial recognition technology (which I worked with on the verification side) is not good enough to label people, not even with a 3-D scan, but given a small/narrow enough pool of people they can be tagged, assuming there is a large training set.Nov 03 09:25
msb_Effective biometric ID is very dangerous.  Once psychopaths get control of the govt, they can easily identify, track and murder all who oppose them.Nov 03 09:25
schestowitzit's not so accurateNov 03 09:26
schestowitzbut they can track in CCTV soemone around his/her houseNov 03 09:26
schestowitzif they deem him/her "suspicious"Nov 03 09:26
prurigronot accurate todayNov 03 09:26
prurigrobut I agree with msbNov 03 09:26
schestowitzWikileaks leaked some docs abouit a CIA-connected startup that does something similarNov 03 09:26
schestowitzI forgot the name of itNov 03 09:26
prurigroyou need to assume worse case scenario when implementing something like thatNov 03 09:27
schestowitz 03 09:27 “Glitch” wipes out 1,000 early votes in black FL neighborhood #election #fraud #gopNov 03 09:27
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msb_There's no need for it.  Reckoned in terms of amount of harm done, almost all crime originates with psychopaths in control of govt.Nov 03 09:27
msb_because govt has such powerful weapons.Nov 03 09:27
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schestowitz""Ack! Who taped my lips to my eyelids, while I was sleeping?""Nov 03 09:27
schestowitz 03 09:28 A system that necessitates unemployment among some population parts is inefficient and unjust, like a system that bans women labour.Nov 03 09:28
schestowitz"yup, then get rid of that pesky minimum wage law already :P"Nov 03 09:28
prurigrocrime goes in numerous directions, but there's no sense in patching a hole that makes another one that causes you to be vulnerable elsewhereNov 03 09:28
msb_Didn't US murder 50,000 people in  Falluja in a couple of days?Nov 03 09:28
schestowitzThat['s already comiing, through the back door (globalisation)Nov 03 09:28
msb_"Terrorists" supposedly killed 3000 people in WTC.  Actually it was US and Israeli govts that did it.Nov 03 09:29
prurigroespecially since the ones with more power can cause more damage, and the hold would be opening up in their directionNov 03 09:29
msb_But US then killed TWO MILLION people in Afghanistan and Iraq, calling it a "war".Nov 03 09:30
prurigroI'd say afganistan was more of a war than iraqNov 03 09:30
prurigrowhich wasn't recognized by the UNNov 03 09:30
msb_"War" is simply a name for mass murder, labelled so that people are programmed to accept it.Nov 03 09:31
msb_And it's almost always US doing the murders.Nov 03 09:31
prurigrowell I mean, if two nations aren't getting along then there's gonna be conflict, and historically that conflict has been labelled as warNov 03 09:31
msb_Because US is the center of world fascism.Nov 03 09:31
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msb_Afghanistan never did anything to US.Nov 03 09:32
prurigrobut that said, these days we have criteria for war, in an attempt to become more moral about everythingNov 03 09:32
prurigroafganistan got fucked over by the talibanNov 03 09:32
oiaohmmsb_: Not exactly true.Nov 03 09:32
msb_US sent war machines halfway around the planet to Afg. and murdered A MILLION PEOPLE THERE.Nov 03 09:32
oiaohmmsb_: Afghanistan asked for help from the USA.Nov 03 09:32
prurigrothe US saw an opportunity to gain a strategic location to operate out of and look like they were helpingNov 03 09:32
oiaohmmsb_: in the case of Russia in AfghanistanNov 03 09:32
prurigrowhen, like oiaohm says, they askedNov 03 09:32
oiaohmmsb_: Problem is USA is worthless at with drawing so the taliban got to take over the country.Nov 03 09:33
oiaohmmsb_: and then the taliban allowed terrorist training bases.Nov 03 09:33
msb_What are you talking about?  The US attacked Afg. in the 1980s using the Mujahideen, which installed the Taliban.Nov 03 09:33
prurigrothe US held a single city, which hapily operated freely while it was heldNov 03 09:34
msb_Afg was OK socialist country until that US attack.Nov 03 09:34
prurigrogirls could leave their homes etcNov 03 09:34
prurigroafg actually wasn'tNov 03 09:34
oiaohmmsb_: No Afg was not a socialist country.Nov 03 09:34
prurigrothere was a holtile takeoverNov 03 09:34
oiaohmmsb_: they were resisting before the MujahideenNov 03 09:34
prurigroafganistan was a state of the ussr, and then it was fairly western, but weak when the ussr disolvedNov 03 09:35
oiaohmUSA did not just provide support to the Mujahideen as well.Nov 03 09:35
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msb_Some Moslem robots were unhappy with secular govt, but most Afghanis liked it.Nov 03 09:35
prurigrotaliban decided to religion-ize itNov 03 09:35
oiaohmmsb_: One of the USA supported groups in afg in the time of ussr in afg was christian Nov 03 09:36
oiaohmmsb_: it was not moslem.Nov 03 09:36
msb_US armed trained and financed the Mujahideen.  Gave them SAM missiles to attack russians.Nov 03 09:36
prurigrothe US is not innocentNov 03 09:36
oiaohmmsb_: not only the Mujahideen.Nov 03 09:36
oiaohmmsb_: the Mujahideen was just the largest group USA gave resources to.Nov 03 09:36
oiaohmmsb_: so was the strongest when the war ended.Nov 03 09:37
prurigrobut the conflict in afganistan for the past couple of years has been mostly about holding that one city they had so the people could continue to operate without islam lawNov 03 09:37
msb_US purpose was to attack russia by proxy, in order to weaken socialism, so US businessmen could exploit workers all over the world.  S.O.P. for US.Nov 03 09:37
prurigrothe US also happened to use this location as a strategic point to operate other operations out ofNov 03 09:37
oiaohmmsb_: russia and USA were both interesting in afg for its large value in resources.Nov 03 09:38
oiaohmmsb_: particularly materials to make weapons.Nov 03 09:38
msb_By using Afg to attack USSR, US upset balance of power there resulting in Moslem robot-crazy-killer takeover.Nov 03 09:38
oiaohmNeither Russia or USA were really interested in afgainstain for its people.Nov 03 09:38
msb_But Afg people were living OK as allies of USSR.Nov 03 09:39
oiaohmmsb_: wrong.Nov 03 09:39
msb_Under Taliban -- installed by US -- women are tortured and murdered simply for living.Nov 03 09:39
oiaohmUSSR burned complete towns and cities to the ground before the USA interfered.Nov 03 09:39
oiaohmTalibain was not put in place by the USA.Nov 03 09:40
oiaohmThe USA was highly shocked when they won.Nov 03 09:40
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oiaohmIf all the small groups that the USA had support had unified they would have kicked the Talibain but.Nov 03 09:40
msb_It was put in place by Mujahideen armed trained and financed by fascist US.Nov 03 09:40
oiaohmmsb_: The Mujahideen was less than 15 percent of the fighting force the USA financed Nov 03 09:41
oiaohmin afgNov 03 09:41
msb_Taliban was not in power until US interfered in Afg in order to attack USSR by proxy.  "Russia's Vietnam" they called it.Nov 03 09:41
oiaohmThe next largested was 10 percent that the Mujahideen took out quickly.Nov 03 09:41
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prurigromsb_: keep in mind that the taliban would have had a rather clear opening when the USSR fell either wayNov 03 09:41
oiaohmReality the Mujahideen leaders had some tatical brains.Nov 03 09:41
msb_Yes, Muja were insane psychopath religious killers -- very effective.Nov 03 09:42
oiaohmNothing todo with the USA wish to have the taliban in power.Nov 03 09:42
msb_The most evil group US could find.  Nov 03 09:42
oiaohmmsb_: reality the USA did not think they would win.Nov 03 09:42
oiaohmOr that the USA would have to refer and sort out at end.Nov 03 09:42
msb_Those are the ones the US always chooses, because they are best at enslaving the population.Nov 03 09:42
oiaohmyes afgainast is what happens when you have no exit planNov 03 09:43
oiaohmUSA and russia both had no exit plan.Nov 03 09:43
oiaohmSo left it to luck.Nov 03 09:43
oiaohmLuck equals relgiion insane nuts.Nov 03 09:43
prurigroseems to be the default lolNov 03 09:44
msb_and religion insane nuts always equals mass murder.Nov 03 09:44
prurigro^^ trueNov 03 09:44
prurigrolook at the US ;)Nov 03 09:44
msb_Kill commies for Christ.  That really IS the US policy.Nov 03 09:44
msb_Or the propaganda cover for it.Nov 03 09:45
prurigros/commies/enemy\ of\ the\ day/Nov 03 09:45
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msb_Actually it's kill commies for greed of ultra-wealthy psychopath capitalists that rule the US and all its weaponry.Nov 03 09:45
prurigroits kill 'enemy of the day' using 'excuse of the day', which religion usually turns out to be the easiest option forNov 03 09:46
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prurigrounless some towers happen to get knocked downNov 03 09:47
msb_But purpose is always to allow US capitalists to enslave people of other countries.Nov 03 09:47
prurigroand then you have the secular left on your side tooNov 03 09:47
msb_US is center of world fascism on this planet.Nov 03 09:48
msb_There's no denying it if you are honest.Nov 03 09:48
prurigrowell enslaving is one option, and capitalism simply happens to be the cause most from the west fight forNov 03 09:48
prurigroit could be communism or for the king for all ht really mattersNov 03 09:49
msb_NO.  And it doesn't "just happen".  Nov 03 09:49
prurigrothe US is one of the least free free countries I can think of, and its scarily like a rich middle east in some waysNov 03 09:49
prurigroit doesn't just happenNov 03 09:49
msb_Psychopaths are in effect demons in human bodies that pretend to be human but prey on humans.Nov 03 09:50
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prurigrololNov 03 09:50
prurigropsychopaths aren't formally defined, but sociopaths areNov 03 09:50
msb_They get control of govt, economy, and media, and use govt's weapons to enslave people all over the world.Nov 03 09:50
prurigroand they simply lack certian cognitive developments that are supposed to occur to provide a complete emotional system until much later in lifeNov 03 09:50
prurigrothis *is* a problem though, and there *should* be systems of ensuring they can benifit society without putting it at risk at the same timeNov 03 09:51
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msb_Yeah, right.  Psychopath coming at you, firing machine gun, is simply "lacking certian cognitive developments".Nov 03 09:52
msb_Lotsa luck Linus.  It isn't KDE anymore, just stole the name.Nov 03 09:53
prurigrololNov 03 09:53
msb_Psychopaths are not people -- not human.Nov 03 09:53
prurigrothe brain is everythin a person is at a given moment in timeNov 03 09:53
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oiaohmmsb_: sorry psychopaths are human.Nov 03 09:53
prurigrochange or remove a section and there can be some serious differencesNov 03 09:54
oiaohmmsb_: there was a serous requirement for them in history.Nov 03 09:54
msb_If supernatural demons were real, there would be no functional difference between a psychopath and a demon in a human body.Nov 03 09:54
prurigrothey're humans who can't care about others as much as blind humans can't seeNov 03 09:54
msb_They are enemies of life itself!Nov 03 09:54
prurigroat least until they finish developing, if they live long enough to make it to ~40-60yrsNov 03 09:55
msb_They enjoy murdering people.Nov 03 09:55
msb_They enjoy killing cats.Nov 03 09:55
oiaohmmsb_: In fact no psychopaths don't have to be a enemy of humans.Nov 03 09:55
prurigroagain, psychopaths aren't technically anythingNov 03 09:55
msb_They enjoy destroying trees.Nov 03 09:55
prurigrosociopaths do not simply enjoy murduring others thoughNov 03 09:55
prurigrosome end up murduring others and enjoying it because of additional influencesNov 03 09:55
msb_Learn from the work of Wilhelm Reich.Nov 03 09:55
oiaohmmsb_: problem is we are not hunter gatherers any more.Nov 03 09:56
oiaohmSo sociopath don't always end up for a valid output for there cravings any more.Nov 03 09:56
prurigromsb_: Reich isn't too much more advanced than FreudNov 03 09:56
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prurigrothis is one of the fields I've studiedNov 03 09:57
msb_Reich has view that extends to the nature of life and how humans fit in with life -- as living organisms.Nov 03 09:57
msb_Freud knew nothing of that.Nov 03 09:57
prurigroCarl Jung advanced things far beyond where Freud took them as wellNov 03 09:58
msb_Freud studied people only within human society, did not investigate their underlying organic nature as Reich did.Nov 03 09:58
prurigrowe've had many between them and now who've done similar Nov 03 09:58
prurigroI almost see the first few generations of psychogists more as philosophersNov 03 10:00
prurigrophilosophers woh moved that particular area of thinking into what eventually became more scientific and interactive than philosophy has historically beenNov 03 10:01
prurigrowho*Nov 03 10:01
msb_Human culture is so infused, programmed, conditioned by anti-life that most people can't comprehend it.  Because they are programmed from birth to accept it as normal.Nov 03 10:03
msb_Violence, bullying, antisexuality, male supremacy.Nov 03 10:03
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msb_Reich realized the existence of this pandemic emotional sickness.  He called it the Emotional Plague, characterized it, wrote about it, figured out how it worked and how it was passed from each generation to the next.Nov 03 10:04
oiaohmmsb_: anti-life exists because without it a long time of go we  could have died out without it.Nov 03 10:04
oiaohmmsb_: its not a simple thing to stop.Nov 03 10:05
msb_oiaohm: Your proof being?Nov 03 10:05
prurigromsb_: we're actually less violent in this era than pretty well any time in previous historyNov 03 10:05
oiaohmmsb_: studies of hunter gatherers and the requirements to be successful.Nov 03 10:05
oiaohmmsb_: the mind set of a hunter gatherer is not a nice one.Nov 03 10:05
msb_Anti-life exists because destruction is easier than creation, and parasitism -- living by exploiting, robbing and murdering others -- is easier than working.Nov 03 10:06
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msb_It's a matter of thermodynamics.Nov 03 10:06
oiaohmmsb_: note I said hunter gathersNov 03 10:07
oiaohmmsb_: pre farming.Nov 03 10:07
prurigroits less about ease in this case and more about competitionNov 03 10:07
msb_Parasitism exists among bacteria, protozoa metazoa and humans.Nov 03 10:07
oiaohmmsb_: in that time frame what did humans create other than weapons to kill more.Nov 03 10:07
msb_Ever hear of FARMING???Nov 03 10:07
oiaohmmsb_: hunter gathering was a few hundered years before we developed farming.Nov 03 10:08
prurigrosociopaths operate with the same competative instincts other humans do, but lack the cognititive barriers that most have to stop things from getting out of handNov 03 10:08
oiaohmmsb_: farming is the modern thing.Nov 03 10:08
oiaohmmsb_: farming does not require the hunter gather nature as much.Nov 03 10:08
oiaohmHello problem,.Nov 03 10:08
prurigrothe majority of our evolution did not involve farming, alsoNov 03 10:08
msb_People also have cooperative instincts, whose benefit is cognitively obvious.Nov 03 10:09
prurigro(toadd to oiaohm's point)Nov 03 10:09
msb_But you don't realize it because you are programmed by the plague.Nov 03 10:09
prurigrowho doesn't realize what?Nov 03 10:09
msb_Bonobos are inherently cooperative.Nov 03 10:09
oiaohmmsb_: to a hunter gather being cooperative too far is how to die out.Nov 03 10:09
msb_You don't realize that humans have instincts for cooperation and sharing.Nov 03 10:09
oiaohmBonobos are only cooperative to a point.Nov 03 10:10
oiaohmof a area gets over crowed the will reduce it by killing each other.Nov 03 10:10
oiaohmthe natural balance of a hunter gather.Nov 03 10:10
msb_The Plague distorts scientific thinking.Nov 03 10:10
oiaohmNoNov 03 10:10
prurigromsb_: I know humans have cooperative and sharing instincts, you do, scholars, do, who doesn't?Nov 03 10:11
oiaohmSicences were shocked when they saw an area get over crowed and how Bonobos sorted it out.Nov 03 10:11
msb_The Chalice and the Blade describes a pottery tablet that male archeologists said showed a warrior brandishing a spear.Nov 03 10:11
prurigroeven sociopaths doNov 03 10:11
prurigrothy know to take advantage of itNov 03 10:11
oiaohmmsb_: they don't only kill the others.Nov 03 10:11
oiaohmmsb_:  they eat them.Nov 03 10:11
msb_The Chalice and the Blade describes a pottery tablet that male archeologists said showed a warrior brandishing a spear.Nov 03 10:11
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oiaohmmsb_: females in the savage times were just as bad as men.Nov 03 10:12
msb_But female archaeologists noticed that the "barbs" on the "spear" faced the wrong way, and the "warrior" had breasts.Nov 03 10:12
msb_It was actually a picture of a woman waving a sacred tree branch in celebration.Nov 03 10:12
oiaohmmsb_: yes there are historic record mistakes.Nov 03 10:13
msb_The male archaeologists had gotten it totally wrong because of their own anti-life programming of which they were not aware.Nov 03 10:13
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oiaohmmsb_: problem is the hunter gather nature we can see in our nearest living relations.Nov 03 10:13
oiaohmmsb_: and there social structs.Nov 03 10:13
oiaohmmsb_: so the problems of human predate use being human.Nov 03 10:14
msb_Bonobos not under pressure are sharing, cooperative, and not male-supremacist.Nov 03 10:15
oiaohmmsb_: when area gets over crowded it is.Nov 03 10:15
msb_But it's psycho chimps that scientists have mostly studied, and they are fucked up.Nov 03 10:15
oiaohmBonobos are the more moderate hunter gathers.Nov 03 10:15
oiaohmie no pressure no killing.Nov 03 10:16
oiaohmchimps fall into the less sane hunter gathers.Nov 03 10:16
msb_Goddess religion was all about teaching people how to farm.Nov 03 10:16
oiaohmmsb_: and to get them to control there old nature .Nov 03 10:16
oiaohmand not use that old nature as much.Nov 03 10:17
msb_Goddess culture had little or no Emotional Plague.Nov 03 10:17
oiaohmThe emotional Plague was there.Nov 03 10:17
oiaohmJust the Goddess culture was about resisting it.Nov 03 10:17
msb_oiaohm: you believe EP is natural to people, even though you can see it is not natural to bonobos.Nov 03 10:18
msb_Jewish-"Christian"-Islamic religion _teaches_ the Plague.Nov 03 10:18
msb_It's deity is a genocidal psychopath, which is the role model it uses to program people.Nov 03 10:18
oiaohmmsb_: different groups of our releations like bonobos and chimps show different aspects.Nov 03 10:19
oiaohmmsb_: human culture is not uniform.Nov 03 10:19
oiaohmmsb_: even human nature is not.Nov 03 10:19
msb_Human nature is bistable.Nov 03 10:19
oiaohmproblem is all the different aspects show a few common problems.Nov 03 10:19
oiaohm1 crowding is a trigger to volence.Nov 03 10:20
msb_If infants and children are treated kindly and gently, they will grow up without the Plague.Nov 03 10:20
oiaohmThat is common to all our releations.Nov 03 10:20
oiaohmEven treating a child kindly will not remove the program nature of personal space.Nov 03 10:20
oiaohmThat is the shocking thing not all serial killers come from bad backgrounds.Nov 03 10:21
msb_If they are treated harshly by Plague-infected parents. teachers, etc, (Emotional Plague = psychopathy), then they will get programmed with the Plague also, and it will thus be passed on to their generation.Nov 03 10:21
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oiaohmmsb_: also some that are treated really badly turn out really good.Nov 03 10:22
msb_There are exceptions.  I am one myself.Nov 03 10:22
oiaohmmsb_: somethings being treated harshly is required so a person can feel for other people pain.Nov 03 10:22
msb_By cognition I realized that cruelty was anti-life.Nov 03 10:23
oiaohmProblem is the balance.Nov 03 10:23
msb_Maybe I had lived before.Nov 03 10:23
msb_...and remembered.Nov 03 10:23
oiaohmYes a person need to experence enough pain to understand another person in pain.Nov 03 10:23
oiaohmAlso if they have a blood craving like what made a good hunter.Nov 03 10:24
msb_Very little such experience is required.Nov 03 10:24
oiaohmThat needs to be serviced some how.Nov 03 10:24
msb_Nothing like the amount most people are subjected to.Nov 03 10:24
oiaohmmsb_: the blood craving is a interesting one.Nov 03 10:24
oiaohmSome people are repelled by blood and killing.Nov 03 10:24
msb_I never had it.Nov 03 10:25
oiaohmSome people are naturally attracked to it.Nov 03 10:25
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oiaohmmsb_: so as a hunter to has go out and kill creatures you might not have been good.Nov 03 10:25
msb_But I can see how children are programmed with it by JCI religion, violent stories and TV, etc.Nov 03 10:25
oiaohmmsb_: the attraction to volicene is somethings playing into a nature.Nov 03 10:26
oiaohmmsb_: a required nature in the time of hunter gather.Nov 03 10:26
oiaohmof course it would be better focused into like marchial arts Nov 03 10:26
msb_There is so much obvious programming to psychopathy in our culture, that it's impossible to know whether we have any instinct to murder people and animals.Nov 03 10:26
oiaohmAnd other areas teaching control of it.Nov 03 10:26
oiaohmInstead of cartoons that allow it to develop in a non controlled way.Nov 03 10:27
msb_By the time children can be observed they have already been thoroughly programmed.Nov 03 10:27
oiaohmmsb_: in fact no.Nov 03 10:27
oiaohmmsb_: a babies will react to blood a particular way.Nov 03 10:27
oiaohmSome will be reject it some will be attracted to it.Nov 03 10:27
oiaohmThose who are attracted have a possible instinct to kill.Nov 03 10:28
oiaohmBut that can be developed to be productive or harmful.Nov 03 10:28
msb_How many babies who have been raised in a Plague-free environment have the urge to murder another child?Nov 03 10:28
oiaohmIn farming cultures where people can still kill animals  those with blood attraction normally have no reason to kill another child.Nov 03 10:29
oiaohmThe craving is meet another way.Nov 03 10:30
msb_Psychologists almost never see children raised in a Plague-free environment, because the Plague is so ubiquitous.Nov 03 10:30
oiaohmSome buddist areas are very plague free.Nov 03 10:31
oiaohmAlso its the ones still close to creates that have very low problems.Nov 03 10:31
oiaohmcreatures.Nov 03 10:31
oiaohmmsb_: so it not a simple problem.Nov 03 10:31
msb_So the children there have the feeling of kinship with other living species.Nov 03 10:31
msb_That is the natural state.Nov 03 10:32
oiaohmmsb_: there are still meat eaters in buddists.Nov 03 10:32
oiaohmmsb_: guess who are the ones with the natural blood cravings.Nov 03 10:32
oiaohmNote if you eat meat you have to be willing to kill it in buddist culture.Nov 03 10:33
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oiaohmand not push it on those who are not.Nov 03 10:33
msb_With the Plague abroad there is no way to know if "blood cravings" are natural.Nov 03 10:33
msb_Also, one can enjoy eating meat but not enjoy killing animals.Nov 03 10:34
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msb_People make vegetarian foods that taste and look like meat but contain none.Nov 03 10:35
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msb_Plague programming from outside the child is far more powerful than any innate craving to kill.Nov 03 10:37
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msb_That's because the psychopathic Plague-programmed parasites have seized control of society, and infuse the Plague into JCI religion, media, schools, etc.Nov 03 10:38
msb_It is this truth that Wilhelm Reich understood that the others didn't.Nov 03 10:39
msb_It was this anti-life mob of demons that imprisoned him and murdered him in prison.Nov 03 10:39
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msb_The knowledge that he discovered and wrote about was a threat to their murderous control of humanity.Nov 03 10:40
prurigromsb_: you can't lead without followers- blame those who don't operate in an egalitarian way tooNov 03 10:40
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msb_The "followers" of the Plague rulers have been programmed to follow -- mind-controlled.Nov 03 10:41
msb_Popularly called "sheep" or "sheeple" today.Nov 03 10:41
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prurigronot necessarily programmedNov 03 10:43
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prurigrothose who evolved in larger groups are predisposed to a leader/follower configurationNov 03 10:43
oiaohmmsb_: also my case the blood craving is part a surval requirement.  I have tried the full buddist no meat diets.Nov 03 10:44
oiaohmmsb_: my body is unable to make particualar things.Nov 03 10:44
msb_The external Plague programming is far more powerful than any instinct to follow leaders or harm others.Nov 03 10:44
prurigroI tried to be a vegetarian for an hour or so onceNov 03 10:44
prurigroomg it was hardNov 03 10:44
oiaohmmsb_: so don't eat meat I will get sick.Nov 03 10:44
prurigroI couldn't think of anything elseNov 03 10:44
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oiaohmmsb_: so some people require the craving.  But the craving can be serviced in a min harm way.Nov 03 10:45
prurigrooiaohm: you crave the last 30 days of meals you've eaten, for the most partNov 03 10:45
prurigroI'm excited for cultured meatNov 03 10:46
oiaohmprurigro: true but you also crave items out that that contain elements you are currently lacking.Nov 03 10:46
oiaohmprurigro: ie why pregent women eat so many strange things.Nov 03 10:47
prurigroyea, hence for the most partNov 03 10:47
prurigroover 30 days you typically get everything you need if you're eating a balanced diet on that noteNov 03 10:47
prurigrobut yea, its not a rule, but if you're trying to remove something from your diet, that's about the length of time you can expect cravings to go forNov 03 10:48
prurigrounless you're not replacing it with something elseNov 03 10:48
msb_The US FDA is extremely corrupt -- controlled by food companies -- and sets the "minimum requirements" far too low for many nutrients.Nov 03 10:49
prurigrodon't forget good ol' HFC instead of sugarNov 03 10:50
msb_That enables the food corporations to lie that their food supplies what people needs.  It also keeps people hungry by denying them enough nutrients, so they by more corporate food.Nov 03 10:50
prurigroI can't stand so many american versions of various productsNov 03 10:50
prurigroapparently it doesn't make you feel full as much as sugar on a per calorie basisNov 03 10:50
msb_We have ballot  proposition in California to require labelling of GMO food.Nov 03 10:50
prurigrothat's dumbNov 03 10:51
prurigroGMO means very littleNov 03 10:51
msb_Murderous ghouls have contributed 10 times more money to defeating it than humans have.Nov 03 10:51
prurigroone GMO might be bad for you, another might be the best thing you could consider eatingNov 03 10:51
msb_See my website.Nov 03 10:51
prurigroits the same as foodNov 03 10:51
prurigroa better idea would be to label things known to be badNov 03 10:51
prurigroand to do extensive testing on everythingNov 03 10:51
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msb_prurigro: and what you said there "might be" totally full of crap.Nov 03 10:51
prurigroeveyrthing sold for consumptionNov 03 10:51
prurigromsb_: I know for fact it isn't, but I'd be prepared to defend my positionNov 03 10:52
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schestowitz"That's what I think, too. Unfortunately, many people will tell you "it's normal". Yeah, right, it's normal. Ice age was normal, too [to some extent]. To me it is a normal reaction to something which is not normal, which is human activity."Nov 03 10:52
prurigroI have access to the majority of journalsNov 03 10:52
msb_If it's labelled that doesn't say it's poisonous.Nov 03 10:52
msb_It simply enables people to research it.Nov 03 10:53
prurigrothere's no point in labelling, it doesn't tell you anythingNov 03 10:53
prurigroeverything should be researchedNov 03 10:53
prurigroif its not good, don't sell itNov 03 10:53
oiaohmmsb_: remember low nutrients is something that can trigger meat craving.Nov 03 10:53
msb_Ghouls sell bad stuff.  They don't care if it hurts people, as long as it makes a profit.Nov 03 10:54
oiaohmmsb_: problem is meat craving does not have to stop at non humans.Nov 03 10:54
oiaohmmsb_: also it make a person feel crowded as well.Nov 03 10:54
msb_That's why people should eat a full range of vitamins, minerals, certain lipids, etc.Nov 03 10:54
prurigromsb_: trans fat is far worse than any GMO product ever released none of which have ever caused any harm to my knowledgeNov 03 10:54
oiaohmmsb_: so bad diet make bad culture even worse.Nov 03 10:54
prurigroand bad culture can make diets worseNov 03 10:55
msb_Some GMO results in total sterility in animals after 3 generations.Nov 03 10:55
prurigroatkins, belief that salt is bad period, not feeding kids fat when its needed for brain growth etcNov 03 10:55
prurigromsb_: those GMOs aren't in your local grocery because of those animals that you've heard aboutNov 03 10:55
oiaohmprurigro: salt is wrong.Nov 03 10:56
prurigrosalt is very wrongNov 03 10:56
oiaohmprurigro: salt is right for some people.Nov 03 10:56
prurigrosalt is a balanceNov 03 10:56
oiaohmprurigro: and wrong for others.Nov 03 10:56
prurigrotoo much is bad, too little and you dieNov 03 10:56
prurigroI know someone who literally died because he didn't eat enough saltNov 03 10:56
prurigrocaused a heart attackNov 03 10:56
oiaohmprurigro: some peoples body produce salt.Nov 03 10:56
oiaohmprurigro: part of there normal operation.Nov 03 10:56
prurigrothey don't produce saltNov 03 10:57
oiaohmNot everyone does.Nov 03 10:57
prurigrobut they might take more and discard lessNov 03 10:57
prurigrothan othersNov 03 10:57
oiaohmHuman varationNov 03 10:57
prurigrothe body doesn't generate salt from any compound I'm aware of though?Nov 03 10:57
oiaohmSome people need salts because there body cannot produce equals.Nov 03 10:57
prurigrowhat's the precursor your body uses for the conversion?Nov 03 10:57
prurigro(the majority of compounds readily accessible in nature are simply taken in, and lack systems to transform other compounds into them)Nov 03 10:58
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prurigromsb_: where is this soy sold?Nov 03 10:59
msb_Human body cannot synthesize sodium or chlorine.Nov 03 10:59
prurigro^ that was my impression as well, at least for sodium, hadn't considered chlorine :)Nov 03 11:00
prurigroI'd be up for standing corrected if this isn't the case thoNov 03 11:00
oiaohmbreakdown of proteins product particular salts.Nov 03 11:01
prurigrowhich though?Nov 03 11:01
oiaohmNot all people can break down all proteins.Nov 03 11:01
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oiaohmYou never get sodium chlorineNov 03 11:01
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oiaohmThe body to operate does not need sodium chlorineNov 03 11:01
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oiaohmOther salts can be used in it place if you can get them.Nov 03 11:02
msb_"Monsanto's genetically modified (GM) soy, grown on 91% of US soybean fields,"Nov 03 11:02
prurigrooiaohm: that's extremely generic- also, sodium chlorine? you sure you don't mean sodium chloride?Nov 03 11:02
prurigromsb_: I can't see anything comparing this to normal soy, and I've been lookingNov 03 11:02
oiaohmI ment chlorideNov 03 11:02
prurigrosoy contains estrogenNov 03 11:02
msb_"By the third generation, most GM soy-fed hamsters lost the ability to have babies. They also suffered slower growth, and a high mortality rate among the pups."Nov 03 11:03
prurigroor at least a similar looking compound, if not that (I'm not 100%)Nov 03 11:03
msb_That's the Monsatan soy grown on 91% of US soy fields!!!Nov 03 11:03
prurigroif you feed an animal the GMO version of something to see if its safe, feed them the non-GMO version as well to compare resultsNov 03 11:03
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prurigrothat's how science worksNov 03 11:03
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iophkmsb_ so: so is that why Gates is pushing GM crops so heavily in  the 3rd world?Nov 03 11:03
prurigrooiaohm: can you give any more specific examples? I can't find anything that would suggest any proteins getting broken down into saltNov 03 11:04
msb_Yes.  He and his wife have repeatedly said they want to decrease human population.Nov 03 11:04
prurigrooiaohm: also, everyone can break down proteins or they wouldn't be able to do muchNov 03 11:04
prurigromsb_: him and his wife want to decrease human population?Nov 03 11:04
prurigrothat might be a good idea in certain areasNov 03 11:05
msb_Article explicitly states that control groups were used.Nov 03 11:05
prurigrodid you know that one of the reasons we're so good at testing babies' sexes in the womb started as a plan to decrease world population?Nov 03 11:05
prurigromsb_: huffington link doesn't lead to the the paperNov 03 11:06
oiaohmAmmonium salts common from protein break down  but only a percentage of population can extract potassium salts from protein break down.Nov 03 11:07
prurigro"some russian guy said" isn't very conclusiveNov 03 11:07
msb_Huffington article quotes from paper.Nov 03 11:07
prurigrooiaohm: ammonium salt != sodiumNov 03 11:07
msb_"guy" is named.Nov 03 11:07
oiaohmprurigro: our body is not needing the sodium salt is the  potassium salts our body needs.Nov 03 11:08
oiaohmprurigro: but if our body cannot get the potassium it can use the sodium to reduce it need.Nov 03 11:08
prurigrooiaohm: the term 'salt' refers to hcl, not sodiumNov 03 11:08
prurigromsb_: I don't know who 'guy' is, I suppose I could take a look through some journals to see if his paper pops up, if he did produce oneNov 03 11:09
msb_ Alexey V. Surov, Irina Ermakova, -- two different studies.Nov 03 11:09
oiaohmprurigro: yes the hcl is important and it has a few sources.Nov 03 11:09
msb_All you have to do is read the HP article!  Lots of details, names, there!Nov 03 11:09
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oiaohmprurigro: but ammonium salt will block a few reactions where potassium salts and sodium salts don't.Nov 03 11:10
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oiaohmprurigro: basically humans are complex.Nov 03 11:11
iophkThat leave ios with 25%Nov 03 11:11
prurigrooiaohm: we were talking about sodium though, hcl can refer to anything from sodium chloride to cocaineNov 03 11:11
oiaohmBut sodium salt is a fillter.Nov 03 11:11
prurigrosodium salt is a triggerNov 03 11:11
oiaohmnot exactly what body ideally is looking for bit Nov 03 11:11
prurigroit activates neuronsNov 03 11:11
msb_Na and K are both absolutely required for nerve functioning.Nov 03 11:12
oiaohmBut its good enough.Nov 03 11:12
prurigrosimilarly, potassium deactives themNov 03 11:12
prurigroindeedNov 03 11:12
prurigro(what msb_ said)Nov 03 11:12
prurigrolikewise, muscle cramps can be too much sodium or not enough potassiumNov 03 11:13
prurigroand of course, the heart is a muscleNov 03 11:13
msb_You can buy KCl in grocery stores in US.  Called "No Salt".Nov 03 11:14
prurigroword, my grandpa used thatNov 03 11:14
msb_Sprinkle on food.  Get plenty of NaCl in  prepared food.Nov 03 11:14
prurigrowait, NaCl? really?Nov 03 11:14
prurigroI mean, aside from off of the people preparing it's hands :)Nov 03 11:15
prurigroits'*Nov 03 11:15
prurigro(soap, and such)Nov 03 11:15
msb_Oh yeah, look at the ingredients.  Na is even listed numerically.  Much more than people need.Nov 03 11:15
prurigrooh man, brain fart- I was thinking NaOH when you said NaCl for some reason :)Nov 03 11:16
msb_Lots of prepared food I can't eat.  Nephrologist wants me to limit Na.  Said I can eat as much KCl as I want.Nov 03 11:16
prurigroyea though, in fact, according to a study a few years back, I live in the saltiest city in my country, if you eat outNov 03 11:16
oiaohmprurigro: calcium-activated potassium interesting enough can do activation of Na.Nov 03 11:17
oiaohmprurigro: but that requires having extra calcuim and potassium to operate without NaNov 03 11:17
prurigrooh curiousNov 03 11:17
oiaohmYes operational oddity.Nov 03 11:18
msb_I have recently made alchemical prep of Celtic sea salt incubated with grapeseed oil.  Stir twice a day for 2-3 days.  Seems to be making my mysterious dermatides feel better.  Dermatologists would only give me steroid creams containing fluorine or aluminum.Nov 03 11:18
prurigroI suppose there's no reason why K wouldn't be involved in sodium's processing somewhere along th elineNov 03 11:19
prurigroohh ouchNov 03 11:19
msb_Decant the oil and apply that, not the salt.Nov 03 11:19
prurigroaluminum is used a lot in skin stuff, I feel like its treated a bit carlesslyNov 03 11:19
oiaohmprurigro: Human body was design to keep on operation in areas where we were short of a few thingsNov 03 11:20
prurigrowhether or not it causes altzheimers, it does collect in the brainNov 03 11:20
prurigroand stuff collecting in the brain is never goodNov 03 11:20
oiaohmprurigro: problem is some of those back up plans are broken in some people.Nov 03 11:20
msb_Yes, Al-acetate, IIRC in ointment base.  Horrible!Nov 03 11:20
oiaohmLike humans cannot make vitaman C any more.Nov 03 11:20
prurigrooiaohm: I wouldn't assume the potassium is literally producing the sodium thoughNov 03 11:20
oiaohmand some people cannot use potassium as na replacement.Nov 03 11:20
prurigrooiaohm: perhaps required in its extraction or operation, but if you don't eat salt, you will dieNov 03 11:21
oiaohmprurigro: once bond to calicum the calicum binds where the na would have.Nov 03 11:21
msb_Microscopic lesions in Alzheimer's -- "neurofibrillary tangles" contain 80 times the normal amount of Al.Nov 03 11:21
prurigrobefore wars were fought for oil they were fought for saltNov 03 11:21
oiaohmprurigro: human body oddities.Nov 03 11:21
oiaohmNow using up large section of K and caluim is not exacty good in areas poor in them.Nov 03 11:22
msb_The only hydrocortison ointment sold in Costco around here now contains huge amount of aluminum in the ointment base.Nov 03 11:22
prurigroif you had a paper stating exactly this I might believe it if they did a solid study, but simply producing an effect in that direction is a correlation at bestNov 03 11:22
prurigromsb_: my brother had this really expensive antiperspirant that was like 5% alluminum, toNov 03 11:23
prurigrotoo*Nov 03 11:23
prurigrobtw, nothing about alexey in my journal searchNov 03 11:23
msb_sometimes people at picnics have eaten spaghetti with the tomato sauce cooked in Al pots.  All got horribly sick.Nov 03 11:24
prurigroI'd imagine if it was because of the alluminum it would have been worse than simply sickNov 03 11:24
prurigroit builds upNov 03 11:24
prurigrodoesn't end up exiting your bodyNov 03 11:24
prurigroalong the lines of mercuryNov 03 11:24
msb_People dialyzed against high-Al water, and rats injected with it, all got dementia very similar (if not identical) to Alzheimer's.Nov 03 11:25
msb_Permanent.Nov 03 11:25
prurigroyeaNov 03 11:25
prurigroexactlyNov 03 11:25
prurigrowell, I dunno about the studyNov 03 11:25
prurigrobut they have found buildup of alluminum in the brains of altzheimers patients after death, I know hatNov 03 11:26
msb_1990s.  I put it into usenet.Nov 03 11:26
msb_So govt makes it legal to put Al salts into baked goods and antacids.Nov 03 11:26
prurigrofuckin' lobbyists :)Nov 03 11:28
msb_Huge amounts in Maalox and another antacid where it's not even called aluminum!  In that one it's called "magaldrate", because ghouls selling it know people don't want to eat Al and read the label.Nov 03 11:28
prurigronow that's what should have lablsNov 03 11:28
prurigroimoNov 03 11:28
msb_Antiperspirant stones sold in healthfood stores and containing Al are no better than roll-ons.Nov 03 11:29
prurigrofor some reason the one my brother got with was like $70 bucksNov 03 11:30
prurigroand I agreeNov 03 11:30
prurigrohe didn't smell any better for itNov 03 11:30
prurigroyou guys know anything about the mozilla phone?Nov 03 11:32
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msb_I'm still using a 5 year old version of Linux Skype to talk to an activist friend who had to flee the country.  Great sound!Nov 03 11:35
oiaohmprurigro: the later study on alluminum and altzheimers found they are not linked.Nov 03 11:36
prurigromsb_: if you use skype, I hope you run it in a kvm :)Nov 03 11:36
oiaohmprurigro: the allumium toxic effect looks releated but its not.Nov 03 11:36
prurigrooiaohm: yea, I don't personally believe it necessarily causes altzheimers, but the fact that they found any built up in the brain is worrying imoNov 03 11:36
oiaohmmsb_: the human body can dispose of disolved allumium.Nov 03 11:37
oiaohmmsb_: if has the right other chemicals.Nov 03 11:37
msb_prurigro: Why?  I just assume the NWO listens to all my calls and reads all my mail.  I have nothing to hide.  Nov 03 11:37
oiaohmmsb_: the built up is lack of chemicals to dispose of it.Nov 03 11:37
oiaohmprurigro: later studies found people with altzheimers with no Al build up.Nov 03 11:38
prurigromsb_: lol, I dunno, I prefer not opening up a backdoor if I can help itNov 03 11:38
msb_Easiest just not to ingest it.Nov 03 11:38
msb_Same with fluoride.Nov 03 11:38
oiaohmprurigro: altzheimers it self is a protteen problem.Nov 03 11:38
prurigrooiaohm: yea, it was more the fact that anyone could have a buildupNov 03 11:38
prurigrothe altzheimers study found the correlation, but the fact that it can build in the first place, you kno?Nov 03 11:38
oiaohmprurigro: later studies found no correlation as such.Nov 03 11:39
msb_Alz. may be causeable by more than one factor.Nov 03 11:39
oiaohmprurigro: al just speed up the illness.Nov 03 11:39
oiaohmprurigro: ie not a cause.Nov 03 11:39
oiaohmprurigro: ie person with altzheimers and al will die sooner.Nov 03 11:39
msb_I have no innate craving for Aluminum!Nov 03 11:39
prurigrooiaohm: correlation doesn't = causation anyway, I meant that there was what appeared to be one initially, but what worries me has nothing to do with altzheimers, but rather that alluminum *can* build upNov 03 11:39
oiaohmprurigro: but the altzheimers will kill you anyhow if you have it.Nov 03 11:40
msb_There is no reason to eat it, and it's easy enough to check labels.  Good idea anyhow.Nov 03 11:40
prurigroyeaNov 03 11:40
oiaohmNormal diet you should not build up much alNov 03 11:41
oiaohmAnd you should take in enough to counter it.Nov 03 11:41
prurigroits like "eating that mushroom might kill you, or it might do nothing"Nov 03 11:41
prurigrowhat will it do if it doesn't kill me?Nov 03 11:41
prurigro"nothing"Nov 03 11:41
oiaohmAcids + heat + al equals bad stuff for humans.Nov 03 11:41
msb_Or turn you into half-brain-dead zombie.Nov 03 11:41
oiaohmSo avoiding eating anything cooked in al you are fine.Nov 03 11:42
prurigroor T1000!Nov 03 11:42
oiaohmIncluding water.Nov 03 11:42
prurigroliquid metal robotNov 03 11:42
prurigrowhat about transdermal absorptionNov 03 11:42
prurigrothat's more what we were worried aboutNov 03 11:42
msb_If you work in office with Al samovar and put water for tea into white plastic cup, you can see that it looks gray!Nov 03 11:43
oiaohmAl oxide I would guess.Nov 03 11:43
oiaohmif so harmless.Nov 03 11:43
oiaohmIn that form.Nov 03 11:44
msb_Until it hits your stomach HCl.Nov 03 11:44
oiaohmNow adding to tea and heating maybe not so much.Nov 03 11:44
oiaohmHCL in your stomach is not really hot enough.Nov 03 11:44
prurigrohcl what in your stomach?Nov 03 11:44
oiaohmal oxide is a little resistant to break back msb_Nov 03 11:45
msb_Al in Al oxide is already ionized.  I doubt that it needs heating to dissolve in acid.Nov 03 11:45
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prurigroits hard to sayNov 03 11:45
msb_It's probably Al hydroxide.Nov 03 11:45
prurigroyou can't tell simply based on the ph what something's gonna doNov 03 11:45
msb_It is dissolved -- does not precipitate.Nov 03 11:45
msb_Al is amphoteric.  Will dissolve in acid or base!Nov 03 11:46
oiaohmAl oxide at room temp in water is not dissolved it fine suspended particals same with Nov 03 11:46
oiaohmhuman body temp.Nov 03 11:46
prurigro100% of it?Nov 03 11:47
oiaohmIf you can see it it not disolved.  prurigroNov 03 11:47
msb_oiaohm: You can have my share if you want it.  8^)Nov 03 11:47
oiaohmprurigro: al disolved in water is clear.Nov 03 11:47
prurigrooiaohm: maybe it would take 10 days to dissolve all of it thoughNov 03 11:48
msb_Clear but gray.Nov 03 11:48
oiaohmNo clearNov 03 11:48
msb_Dyes are dissolved but visible.Nov 03 11:48
oiaohmthe grey is the oxideNov 03 11:48
oiaohmBasically the grey you can see is not the problem msb_Nov 03 11:49
oiaohmIts the clear stuff that is most likely with the grey that could be a problem.Nov 03 11:49
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msb_Still, no thanks.Nov 03 11:49
oiaohmSo pure al oxide added to water is safe.  One of the way to make al containing water safe is add ozone.Nov 03 11:50
oiaohmThen don't heat it with a acidNov 03 11:50
oiaohmSo perk the coffee with al water really bad idea.Nov 03 11:50
oiaohmopps al oxid waterNov 03 11:51
msb_I got great glass/stainless-steel water still for about $140.Nov 03 11:51
msb_Distilled water costs about half as much as bottled.Nov 03 11:51
oiaohmmsb_: remember to drop some cl tablets in that water so you don't do your teeth.Nov 03 11:52
prurigromsb_: Will you take it fried or boiled? Will you take it poached or boiled?Nov 03 11:52
oiaohmcaluim tablets not cl tables.Nov 03 11:52
prurigrobroiled*Nov 03 11:52
oiaohmDistilled water is techically too pure.Nov 03 11:52
prurigro^ definitelyNov 03 11:52
msb_Most bottles leach plasticizer into the water.  Tastes horrible.Nov 03 11:52
prurigroagreedNov 03 11:52
prurigrobottled water is the worseNov 03 11:52
prurigroworst*Nov 03 11:52
oiaohmI have glass bottles.  msb_Nov 03 11:53
prurigroI go to fancy restaurants sometimes and they ask if I want bottled water as though its somehow better than from the tapNov 03 11:53
oiaohmI have used distilled water for a long msb_Nov 03 11:53
oiaohmI lived on a properity where the only bore water was salt water.Nov 03 11:53
msb_I use a couple of plastic bottles that don't leak plasticizer.  Nov 03 11:53
iophkprurigro: bigger markup for bottledNov 03 11:54
oiaohmSo all drinking water was distilled.Nov 03 11:54
msb_The receiver of the still is glass.Nov 03 11:54
oiaohmIts really simple to make distilled safe.Nov 03 11:54
prurigroiophk: haha of course that's why, esp considering tap is free by law, but unlike most things, paying more doesn't get you beterNov 03 11:54
oiaohmlittle bit of caluim a little carbon and its nicely safe to drink.Nov 03 11:54
oiaohmprurigro: I like the fact here that some bottle water turned out to be city tap water bottled.Nov 03 11:55
prurigrololNov 03 11:55
msb_I eat cheese.Nov 03 11:55
prurigromy city was rated as having the second best tap water, and a study showed that the contents of botted water is actualy worse than what we get from the tap hereNov 03 11:55
oiaohmmsb_: its not eating cheeseNov 03 11:55
oiaohmmsb_: distilled watter too pure eats teeth.Nov 03 11:56
msb_Every month or so I dissolve the scale off the bottom of the boiler with a teaspoon or so of vitamin C.Nov 03 11:56
prurigrooiaohm: eats teeth!?Nov 03 11:56
prurigrohow?Nov 03 11:56
oiaohmprurigro: to be correct disolved them.Nov 03 11:56
prurigrohow?Nov 03 11:56
oiaohmprurigro: 100 percent pure water is a nasty thing.Nov 03 11:56
prurigroI drink the most acidc drinks all the timeNov 03 11:57
oiaohmprurigro: it does not want to remain that way.Nov 03 11:57
prurigroahhNov 03 11:57
prurigroyou're saying its pulling things outNov 03 11:57
oiaohmmake acid drinks look like minor problem.Nov 03 11:57
prurigrolike opening the hatch on a vacuum?Nov 03 11:57
oiaohmYep.Nov 03 11:57
prurigrointerestingNov 03 11:57
oiaohmprurigro: all you key minerals in your teeth pure water will extract.Nov 03 11:57
msb_I just tell it to dissolve the tartar first.Nov 03 11:58
oiaohmprurigro: so making your teeth in time weaker than a stick of chalk.Nov 03 11:58
msb_It has bonobo-spirit!Nov 03 11:58
oiaohmprurigro: basically slow but progressive teeth destruction.Nov 03 11:58
prurigrooiaohm: I'd assume that effect would be worse following flouride treatmentNov 03 11:58
oiaohmprurigro: flouride slows it down.Nov 03 11:59
prurigroflouride makes your teeth more able to absorb nutrients by weakening the barriersNov 03 11:59
msb_fluorideNov 03 11:59
prurigrowouldn't the reverse be true if something was extracting things?Nov 03 11:59
oiaohmprurigro: flouride yes weakens the barriers one way but it also assists with binding stuff in.Nov 03 12:00
msb_like fluorescentNov 03 12:00
prurigromaybe that's why people get holes in their teeth when they have flouride in their water in a few specific locations, if that water was really bad and therefore filtered to be extremely clean?Nov 03 12:00
prurigroor do you think that'd be something completely different?Nov 03 12:01
oiaohmprurigro: there is such thing as flouride over does.Nov 03 12:01
prurigroI mean, I'm still a bit baffled as to why there are a few remote locations where less flouride than we get in our water is giving people holes in their teethNov 03 12:01
prurigrothis isn't an overdoseNov 03 12:01
prurigronot according to the study at leastNov 03 12:01
prurigroI might have the pdf if you're curiousNov 03 12:01
prurigroits less than we take iircNov 03 12:02
oiaohmI grew up rural with tank water.Nov 03 12:02
oiaohmAt particular points in teeth development we took flourideNov 03 12:02
prurigroyea, you get most from your dentistNov 03 12:02
oiaohmI have only 1 filling.Nov 03 12:02
prurigrodespite being i wtaerNov 03 12:02
prurigroin water*Nov 03 12:02
oiaohmAnd it was a tooth development defect.Nov 03 12:03
prurigronumber of fillings isn't likely relatedNov 03 12:03
prurigrosome people's mouths have what's considered 'active' plaqueNov 03 12:03
oiaohmMy teeth are in fact harder than the adverage.Nov 03 12:03
prurigrothat kind of plaque eats teethNov 03 12:03
prurigroother people only have the inactive stuff, which does nothingNov 03 12:03
oiaohmThere is a double sided sword.Nov 03 12:03
oiaohmYou know that plaque can also use flourideNov 03 12:04
msb_grep fluor /usr/share/dict/words|oNov 03 12:04
oiaohmTo make it self harder.Nov 03 12:04
prurigromsb_: fluoride* :)Nov 03 12:04
oiaohmReally you don't want fluoride in water all the time.Nov 03 12:04
msb_Thank you!Nov 03 12:04
prurigrobeing canadian, the ou is quite tempting hahaNov 03 12:05
prurigrothx for the correct thoNov 03 12:05
prurigrooiaohm: I see no harm being caused by it, but it doesn't seem to help much either from what I've seenNov 03 12:05
oiaohmprurigro: I have.Nov 03 12:05
prurigroI suppose if you never got it from the dentist thoughNov 03 12:05
msb_Canadians say "oww!" a lot?Nov 03 12:06
prurigrohaving it in the water might helpNov 03 12:06
oiaohmI had almost unremovable plaque on my teeth Nov 03 12:06
prurigromsb_: all the words america removed the u from, canada still uses- colour, behaviour etcNov 03 12:06
cubezzzoiaohm, how come?Nov 03 12:06
oiaohm4 weeks on no flouride water it become soft.Nov 03 12:06
msb_Ah!Nov 03 12:06
oiaohmcubezzz: the type of plaque I had in mouth was using the flourideNov 03 12:07
cubezzzyikesNov 03 12:07
prurigrousing it or simply reacting?Nov 03 12:07
oiaohmcubezzz: so it was almost as hard as tooth.Nov 03 12:07
oiaohmprurigro: no using it.Nov 03 12:07
prurigrohow?Nov 03 12:07
prurigroit was active?Nov 03 12:07
oiaohmprurigro: to produce a protective scale.Nov 03 12:07
prurigroit sounds more like tarter(sp?)Nov 03 12:08
prurigrolike, unless it was activeNov 03 12:08
msb_cure for hard tartar: Nitrous oxide, cute dental hygienist, lots of scraping.Nov 03 12:09
prurigrooh manNov 03 12:09
prurigrogood ol nitrous oxide hahaNov 03 12:09
prurigrothey don't use that enough at the dentist imoNov 03 12:09
prurigro best 404 ever!Nov 03 12:10
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oiaohmprurigro: there have been case of water purefication gone too fare destroying teeth.Nov 03 12:10
prurigrooiaohm: lemme see if I have the pdfNov 03 12:10
prurigro(was a proper journal if I do)Nov 03 12:10
oiaohmprurigro: suide aribia Ok spelt wrong in the middle eastNov 03 12:10
oiaohmprurigro: 4 years after they started there first major desaltionation plant they run into teeth trouble.Nov 03 12:11
oiaohmprurigro: ie too pure of water adding florided does not correct over active water.Nov 03 12:11
oiaohmprurigro: so yes too pure of water is a possible cause of teeth failure and it has been documented even if florride is added.Nov 03 12:12
msb_So what to add?  Ca and Mg hydroxide?Nov 03 12:12
oiaohmmsb_: Ca is about the best.Nov 03 12:12
oiaohmmsb_: since too much in water it will assist in hardening teeth.Nov 03 12:13
msb_Ca(OH)2 is all you need?Nov 03 12:13
oiaohmmsb_: its enough to ruing the purity.Nov 03 12:14
oiaohmmsb_: there are other ways of ruining the purity Nov 03 12:14
oiaohmSo reducing the activity of the water.Nov 03 12:14
oiaohmmsb_: not drinking the distilled pure is the key.  Adding tea and other things can also render it safe.Nov 03 12:16
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oiaohmmsb_: ie Ca mostly because it has a very bland taste.Nov 03 12:17
oiaohmmsb_: what is the point of making water pure if you add something that has a strong taste.Nov 03 12:17
msb_Wanted to get rid of the fluoride.Nov 03 12:18
msb_Damages pineal gland, destroying spiritual enlightenment.Nov 03 12:18
oiaohmmsb_: just don't destroy your teeth in the process.Nov 03 12:19
prurigrooiaohm: in Drinking Water: A Review on the Status and Stress Effects.pdfNov 03 12:19
msb_Yeah.  Maybe I will add some Ca.Nov 03 12:19
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prurigrooiaohm: seems like there might be a bit more to it after reading again thoughNov 03 12:19
msb_But CaCO3 is not very soluble.Nov 03 12:20
oiaohmmsb_: I was talking soluble forms.Nov 03 12:20
oiaohmCa has quite a few forms.Nov 03 12:20
oiaohmmsb_:  CaCO3 (s) + CO2 (g) + 2H2O (l) -> Ca2+ (aq) + 2 HCO3- (aq)Nov 03 12:22
oiaohmmsb_: yes warped.Nov 03 12:22
oiaohmmsb_: its simpler to make soda water from distalled water then let the fiss go to be safe.Nov 03 12:23
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oiaohmmsb_: there are a few articals around on making distalled water safe for human drinking.Nov 03 12:25
oiaohmmsb_: there are a few different methods as well.Nov 03 12:25
msb_Well you need the Ca.  Just CO2 isn't going to do  your teeth any good.Nov 03 12:25
msb_Maybe a little CaCO3 alone is enough.  Certainly harmless.Nov 03 12:26
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oiaohmmsb_: other than your teeth the distalled water has no other bad effects.Nov 03 12:30
oiaohmmsb_: ie if you had false teeth you would not have to worry.Nov 03 12:31
msb_Calcium phosphate is used as a  supplement, and remineralizer for teeth!Nov 03 12:32
oiaohmmsb_: that would be the beast I am thinking of.Nov 03 12:33
oiaohmPrevents teeth from being destoryed and improves them in the process.Nov 03 12:34
oiaohmmsb_: yet no country in the world requires calcuim phosphate to be in water.Nov 03 12:34
msb_The fluoride is to make people stupid. They don't care about their teeth. The Nazis used it in water for prisoners and conquered people to keep them docile.Nov 03 12:36
oiaohmmsb_: fluoride + calcuim phosphate in theory would work.Nov 03 12:36
oiaohmmsb_: fluoride without calcuim is plain stupid.Nov 03 12:37
oiaohmmsb_: fluoride also can give people weak bones if not given with calcuimNov 03 12:39
oiaohmmsb_: earlly data on fluoride also had lots of people drinking cows milk and other milks with high calcuim.Nov 03 12:39
msb_Very detailed article on Ca nutrition ref'ed by Wiki: 03 12:41
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oiaohmmsb_: yes as with all things there is a max safe does.Nov 03 12:45
oiaohmLike making tea with distalled water before drinking it will render it safe and also extract more flavor than using normal water.Nov 03 12:46
oiaohmThe extraction effect of also has downsides.  Like bolling your veges in distilled water is most likely not a hot idea.Nov 03 12:47
msb_"Washed Away? Rescued? What Happened to New York City's "Mole People" During Super Storm Sandy?"Nov 03 12:48
oiaohmmsb_: understanding and using distalled water correctly has advantages.  Nov 03 12:48
msb_And what happened to the "Clay Men" ?Nov 03 12:48
msb_If you boil veges you should drink the water anyhow.Nov 03 12:49
msb_I got DVDs of all the old Flash Gordon movies.  Haven't watched 'em yet.  Pretty cheap.Nov 03 12:50
msb_Have to call my shaman in the morning and see if he has hydroxyapatite -- form of Ca in tooth enamel!Nov 03 12:59
msb_These bodies are complicated!  I'm thinking of going full cyborg.Nov 03 13:00
oiaohmmsb_: and you think cyborg will be simple.Nov 03 13:05
msb_Well it's just electronics.  But I guess the parts will be expensive.Nov 03 13:06
msb_Ever see the "Ghost in the Shell" anime' series?  Pretty good!Nov 03 13:07
oiaohmmsb_: yep.Nov 03 13:07
oiaohmmsb_: remember they were regually replacing there bodies as they screwed up.Nov 03 13:08
msb_Yeah.Nov 03 13:08
oiaohmHuman body is complex replacing it is equallly so.Nov 03 13:08
msb_Mostly I remember Motoko offerring to have sex with that kid in the back of a cab!Nov 03 13:10
msb_And he refused, the fool!Nov 03 13:10
msb_And I remember another scene where she was bending over to connect into that rogue think-tank -- big one, not a tachikoma -- and you got a perfect crotch shot.Nov 03 13:13
msb_That show gets pretty emotional for a bunch of cyborgs.  They really are human.Nov 03 13:19
msb_Cowboy Bebop is great too.Nov 03 13:19
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msb_Keeping Russia safe from -- let me guess -- Pussy?Nov 03 13:57
MinceRthey're afraid of pussyNov 03 13:58
msb_So much for the guy I was hoping would protect the world from US fascism.Nov 03 13:59
MinceRyou expected the kgb officer to protect russia from fascism?Nov 03 14:01
msb_I have had this discussion here many times, and it never seems to work, but...Nov 03 14:02
msb_Fascism and socialism are very different.Nov 03 14:02
MinceRthe theoretical "socialism" that nobody has ever implemented might be differentNov 03 14:02
MinceRbut it's irrelevant to putin's case.Nov 03 14:02
msb_Fascism serves ultra-wealthy businessmen, and democratic socialism serves working people.Nov 03 14:03
MinceRthat's inaccurate, but, again, irrelevant.Nov 03 14:03
MinceRthere was nothing "democratic" about the USSR.Nov 03 14:04
msb_As to it's never having been implemented, maybe not perfectly, but I put forth (in no particular order) Vietnam, Libya, Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua.Nov 03 14:04
MinceRyeah, cuba is so greatNov 03 14:05
MinceRwhy don't you move there?Nov 03 14:05
msb_And for Russia, I was hoping for the future.Nov 03 14:05
msb_Too many books to move.Nov 03 14:05
MinceRyes, having served the kgb is a great recommendationNov 03 14:06
MinceRuh huhNov 03 14:06
MinceRyou wouldn't even have internet access in cuba.Nov 03 14:06
msb_Well, until the Pussy Riot episode, he seemed to be doing well at inhibiting the US and Israel from starting nuclear WW3 by attacking Iran.Nov 03 14:07
MinceRand that's the only thing you care about?Nov 03 14:07
msb_Cuba would be much more democratic if it had not been  under constant blockade, threat and attack by the U.S. for the last fifty years.Nov 03 14:08
MinceRcuba would be much more democratic if it wasn't a dictatorship.Nov 03 14:09
msb_Likewise the USSR would have been much more democratic if it hadn't been attacked and invaded by a couple million troops from the US and other nations right after its revolution.Nov 03 14:09
MinceRor if its revolution wasn't hijacked by the bolsheviks.Nov 03 14:10
msb_Cuba is no more a dictatorship than the US.  We have no selection over the candidates we're permitted to vote for.  Both are pure NWO fascists.Nov 03 14:11
MinceRyou could vote for the other candidates if you cared to.Nov 03 14:11
MinceRand you could initiate a referendum to change the system.Nov 03 14:11
msb_Right.  Or I could stay home and have a pizza.  Same effect.Nov 03 14:11
MinceRsee, the problem is not that the US is not a democracy, it's that the voters don't care.Nov 03 14:12
msb_And since the psychopaths in charge would bring to bear about a million times as much money, what would that accomplish.Nov 03 14:12
MinceRthat depends on the choices the voters makeNov 03 14:13
msb_The voters don't care because they've been brainwashed since infancy -- Plague-programmed parents, JCI religion, obedience school, corporate media...Nov 03 14:13
msb_They are literally incapable of rational thought.Nov 03 14:14
msb_Read up on Edward Bernays.Nov 03 14:14
msb_To answer   your question, yes, I think that stopping the US and Israel from starting a nuclear world war IS the most important thing that Putin could do.  By far.Nov 03 14:19
MinceRso you don't care what happens to the russians?Nov 03 14:20
msb_Maybe the Pussy episode will just be transient bad PR and he will still stop them.Nov 03 14:20
msb_Are the russians suffering  particularly at the moment?Nov 03 14:20
MinceRand him stopping it due to bad PR means that everything is all right?Nov 03 14:21
MinceRas far as i know, they are.Nov 03 14:21
msb_No, him stopping the war in spite of the bad Pussy PR.Nov 03 14:22
MinceRand if no nuclear war starts between (us, israel) and iran, you'll give all the credit to putin?Nov 03 14:22
msb_How are the Russians suffering?  I think their economy is improving since Putin got rid of the Fascist/Zionist oligarchs.Nov 03 14:23
MinceRthey're oppressed, they don't have freedom of speech (as exemplified by the pussy riot issue)Nov 03 14:23
msb_No, China probably deserves some of the credit.Nov 03 14:23
msb_We don't have a Bill of Rights any more.Nov 03 14:24
MinceRyou could fix that if you cared.Nov 03 14:24
msb_For the moment we seem to have more freedom of speech than the Russians.Nov 03 14:24
MinceRyou also have more freedom of speech than the cubans.Nov 03 14:24
msb_Plenty of people with a lot more money than I have care, and they can't come close to fixing it.  The whole game is totally rigged.Nov 03 14:25
MinceRwith such defeatist thinking, there's nothing you can fix.Nov 03 14:26
msb_How, exactly would I fix it?  Given that the brainwashed voters wouldn't even be interested enough to read what I had to say, and would reject it if they did?Nov 03 14:27
MinceRstart voting for a "third party" candidate.Nov 03 14:27
msb_Which would accomplish what, since he could not possibly win.Nov 03 14:28
msb_?Nov 03 14:28
MinceRdepends on others doing the same.Nov 03 14:28
MinceRyou could also join the rootstrikers.Nov 03 14:29
msb_Almost all are so deeply brainwashed that he couldn't possibly get enough votes to win.Nov 03 14:29
msb_Never heard of them.Nov 03 14:29
msb_Will they succeed by next Tuesday?Nov 03 14:29
MinceRare you in such a hurry?Nov 03 14:30
msb_Your arguments are not serious.  Nov 03 14:30
msb_They don't take into account quantitative reality.Nov 03 14:30
MinceRyou're more crazy then i've thought before.Nov 03 14:30
MinceR(and that's saying something)Nov 03 14:30
MinceRyour arguments don't take into account any sort of reality whatsoever.Nov 03 14:31
msb_That's a standard programmed response, in case you don't know it.  Which I don't think you do.Nov 03 14:31
msb_Echoed in the Microsoft propaganda manual, btw.Nov 03 14:32
msb_Call the opposition crazy.Nov 03 14:32
msb_You've seen that, right?Nov 03 14:32
MinceRis that where you learned it, then?Nov 03 14:36
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msb_No, I've known about it for  years.  Calling someone crazy is a substitute from disproving what they say.  It's done by people who _can't_ disprove that the opposition says.Nov 03 14:37
msb_No, I've known about it for  years.  Calling someone crazy is a substitute for disproving what they say.  It's done by people who _can't_ disprove what the opposition says.Nov 03 14:38
MinceRthat explains why you did itNov 03 14:38
msb_Why I did what?Nov 03 14:39
msb_MinceR: I've been studying and analyzing propaganda for about 30 years, in Usenet, mailing-lists, etc.  You're not going to be able to BS your way around me by misquoting, misinterpreting, etc.Nov 03 14:44
MinceRoohNov 03 14:45
MinceRonly fascists calling themselves "socialist" and/or "communist" can BS their way around msb_!Nov 03 14:45
msb_MinceR: If you want to discuss that, please rephrase it as not a personal attack, and state your premise clearly.Nov 03 14:48
msb_I'm not going to try to guess what you mean by it.Nov 03 14:48
MinceRi will refrain from personal attack only if you do too.Nov 03 14:50
msb_Do you live in the US?Nov 03 14:51
MinceRno.Nov 03 14:51
msb_Do you believe that most US voters are brainwashed -- mind-controlled -- by parents, schools, JCI religion, corporate media -- into doing what the ultra-wealthy rulers want?Nov 03 14:53
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MinceRthey might beNov 03 14:53
MinceRthough the forces that confine them into the two-party system seem to be much simplerNov 03 14:54
MinceR(and a similar situation exists in other states as well)Nov 03 14:55
msb_Well if they are, what means can be used to restore the US Bill of Rights that quantitatively have a chance of succeeding.Nov 03 14:55
msb_?Nov 03 14:55
MinceRsupport a candidate that has such a platform. initiate a referendum.Nov 03 14:55
MinceRstart a grassroots campaign on the internet.Nov 03 14:55
MinceRtry Lawrence Lessig's suggestions on reducing the control money has on politics.Nov 03 14:56
msb_Since such candidates, referenda, and campaigns would be totally opposed by the  ultra-wealthy  rulers, with trillions of dollars to expend on propaganda, how would they quantitatively have a chance of succeeding?Nov 03 14:57
msb_What are Lessig's suggestions?Nov 03 14:58
MinceRin the current state of affairs, all they can do is publish their opposing messages or try to change the rules in an anti-democratic way. in the former case, the citizens could still decide for themselves.Nov 03 14:58
MinceRthe latter case could turn into a scandal.Nov 03 14:58
MinceRas for Lessig's ideas, read Republic Lost.Nov 03 14:58
msb_But the citizens can't decide for themselves.  They are programmed and do not have free will.Nov 03 15:00
msb_As to publishing messages, Ron Paul has been doing it for years.  He couldn't even get a fair hearing at the Repug convention.Nov 03 15:01
MinceRi'm not sure to what extent they have that programmingNov 03 15:01
MinceRyou can have a less partisan and divisive message than Ron Paul's.Nov 03 15:01
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MinceRalso, you will probably want to do it outside the two big parties.Nov 03 15:02
msb_Paul's message is: stop the war and restore the Constitution.  The corp media won't carry it.Nov 03 15:03
MinceRPaul's platform consist of a great deal more than thatNov 03 15:03
MinceRincluding things that only a fraction of the voters are likely to support.Nov 03 15:03
MinceRs/ist/ists/Nov 03 15:04
iophkAiring gripes publicly via /. 03 15:04
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msb_How many billions of dollars would it take to enable a 3rd party to succeed despite total opposition from the trillionaire rulers?Nov 03 15:04
MinceRi don't know.Nov 03 15:05
iophkmsb_: there should be some data about how many dollars per electoral college vote is neededNov 03 15:05
MinceRit seems that such a party wouldn't need to win the first time they try, thoughNov 03 15:05
MinceRif there's a significant showing, they'll be considered a more serious option in the subsequent elections.Nov 03 15:06
msb_Well, it's going to be at least as much as the two parties are getting.Nov 03 15:06
iophkyes because they have two opponentsNov 03 15:06
iophkThey need to run and win the first time, because if they lose ,they will have split the vote of their nearest opponent and given the election to the one whose platform is furthest away.Nov 03 15:07
msb_And they have total crookedness and bias among the NWO controlled media and parties to contend with.  A huge flood of lying propaganda.Nov 03 15:07
iophkThat mean not just losing, but losing badly.Nov 03 15:07
MinceRiophk: that is assuming that you consider the difference between the two big platforms significantNov 03 15:07
MinceRif you don't, it doesn't make much of a difference which of them wins.Nov 03 15:08
msb_Right.  The difference is only superficial. Nov 03 15:08
iophkone's worse than the other, even if both are badNov 03 15:08
MinceRif you're satisfied with going with the lesser evil, things are not going to improve.Nov 03 15:08
iophkIt's the only choice until a third party is influential enough to win.  Look how nader split the vote  in 2000 and the damage Bush caused.  Nader was able to undo all the gains he had made todate in his career.Nov 03 15:09
MinceRthat is, if you put all the blame on NaderNov 03 15:10
msb_iophk: Nader undid all the gains who had made?  Bush?Nov 03 15:10
msb_Bush became president for 8 years!Nov 03 15:11
iophkNader.  He was very active for decades.Nov 03 15:11
msb_iophk: Nader undid his own gains, then.Nov 03 15:11
MinceRand of course putting the blame on Nader implies that you only wanted the lesser of two evilsNov 03 15:12
iophkYes, he undid his own gains in consumer protection and the environment.Nov 03 15:12
msb_iophk: Do you view that as an accomplishment?  I am not understanding this.Nov 03 15:12
iophkThe math does not support three canditates.  The decision-making process in the US just does not support that kind of ideal.Nov 03 15:12
MinceRmsb_: iophk thinks that it's entirely Nader's fault that bush won and this makes his accomplishments that were actually his meaningless.Nov 03 15:13
MinceRapparently.Nov 03 15:13
iophkNader did a lot in consumer protection and environmental protection.  That was undone by 8 years of little BushNov 03 15:13
MinceRyou could start a referendum to change the electoral systemNov 03 15:13
iophkNo, the voting fraud was also partly to blame.Nov 03 15:13
iophkChanging the electoral system is what is needed, but it will be strongly opposed by the big money and the Republicans and Democrats.  It is they who stand to lose and therefore won't help.Nov 03 15:14
msb_Third parties can never win, but can only affect which of the R's and D's win.  Which of those win doesn't much matter, because both are controlled by the same bunch of ultra-wealthy psychopaths  -- NWO -- world fascists.Nov 03 15:16
iophk   Other countries have proportional systems where  3rd and 4th parties can win and influence.Nov 03 15:17
msb_I think the only thing that can help is waking people up by  telling them the truth via the Internet.  That's what I and many others are doing.Nov 03 15:17
MinceRbut you don't think that waking them up helps make them vote for other parties?Nov 03 15:18
msb_It's a very slow process, because most people are so brainwashed that they're incapable of accessing the truth.Nov 03 15:18
iophkMedia consolidation has made open discourse harder.Nov 03 15:19
iophkVirtually impossible.Nov 03 15:19
msb_Until a huge fraction have woken up, there won't be enough votes for a 3rd party to make a difference.  But eventually, that may be how change will occur.Nov 03 15:20
msb_Yes, the media are hopeless.  But the Net is so far operational.Nov 03 15:20
iophkThe net is being centralized and closed up.  Decentralized services like Usenet are being discouraged.Nov 03 15:21
iophkUltra-centralized 'services' like Facebook are being promoted.Nov 03 15:21
MinceRat the same time, decentralized services are being developedNov 03 15:21
iophkP2P is decentralized but it's not much ofa communication network.Nov 03 15:22
iophk^BittorrentNov 03 15:22
iophkFacebook is even cutting into the e-mail usage of the ignorant.Nov 03 15:22
msb_If it can communicate new movies it can communicate political videos.Nov 03 15:22
MinceRsome communication protocols (such as XMPP and PSYC (?)) can work in a decentralized wayNov 03 15:22
iophkThe search engine(s) for BT are not good or widely known.Nov 03 15:23
MinceRso can IRC.Nov 03 15:23
msb_Demonoid was a very serious loss.Nov 03 15:23
MinceRBT can already work without trackersNov 03 15:23
iophkSearching is still centralized around Google.  Smaller players come and go.  Yahoo and AltaVista are gone, Ixquick and DuckDuckGo are entering.Nov 03 15:24
iophkBT can work without trackers, but there is still the issue of knowing about or stumbling across material.Nov 03 15:24
msb_Yes, but Demonoid had huge amounts of good and well-maintained content.  More than any other facility perhaps even including Usenet.Nov 03 15:25
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msb_But "pirates" may save humanity by coming up with good decentralized protocols that can't be killed without closing down the entire Internet.Nov 03 15:27 does a partial jobs of indexing.Nov 03 15:29
msb_jobNov 03 15:29
iophk* curses "#¤%&/() networkNov 03 15:32
msb_My service vastly improved since the ISP replaced my cable modem.Nov 03 15:34
iophkThe decentralized protocols are a threat to those that want more control and oversight through centralization.Nov 03 15:36
iophkSo they have to overcome some resistance.Nov 03 15:36
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iophkI see others have network problems, tooNov 03 15:37
msb_And those protocols have to be very clever.  But there is a lot of cleverness out here.Nov 03 15:38
msb_We are the little mammals nibbling around the nests of the dinosaurs.  Nov 03 15:40
msb_But we are good and they are evil.Nov 03 15:41
msb_I think there is something protecting us, something not allowing the monsters to just exterminate the freedom fighters, which it would seem they could do very easily.Nov 03 15:42
msb_If the Earth is a MMORPG, with rules enforced by some entity we can't see, but which constrains the psychopaths from simply murdering us all...Nov 03 15:48
iophkAnd similarly hinders otherwise simple victories for freedom.Nov 03 15:48
msb_Then the goal seems to be for as many of us as possible to wake up.  To learn how to use our potentially very powerful minds.  To examine how we think and why we believe what we do, and thus to acquire free will.Nov 03 15:49
msb_I think the simple victories for freedom are adequately hindered by the organized psychopaths -- the rulers.Nov 03 15:51
MinceRi think what's protecting us is not an entityNov 03 15:51
MinceRit's something like the risk of raising awareness in the masses by doing something overtNov 03 15:51
msb_What do you think it is?Nov 03 15:51
MinceRor the incompetency of the evil overlordsNov 03 15:52
MinceRor something elseNov 03 15:52
MinceRor a combination of such thingsNov 03 15:52
msb_I think that a series of false-flag terror ops, blamed on Iran, and killing a couple million americans, would totally occupy everyone's attention while all us little mammals were rounded up and disappeared.Nov 03 15:54
MinceRthat also depends on how many of us there areNov 03 15:55
msb_There wouldn't be enough awareness in the sleepers, and none of us left to point out what happened.  I think it would succeed.Nov 03 15:55
msb_The US and Israel have been saber-rattling against Iran for a couple of years now.  Last month Obomber was supposed to do it to insure an electoral win.Nov 03 15:56
msb_I guess he still might, but it doesn't look like it.Nov 03 15:57
msb_Which probably means it was just hot air all along.Nov 03 15:57
msb_Just trash-talk.Nov 03 15:57
msb_The evil overlords were competent enough to pull off 9/11.Nov 03 15:58
msb_All of which I think reinforces the idea that they are constrained by something.Nov 03 15:59
msb_We're in an educational game here.Nov 03 16:00
MinceRwell, it has great graphics but otherwise it sucksNov 03 16:02
msb_No, look how much we're learning. Nov 03 16:03
msb_To defy authority, seek the truth, think for ourselves.Nov 03 16:03
msb_Even science is changing wildly.  Cold fusion, the Iwamura transmutations (google it), and alchemy  Explore that; it is not bullshit.Nov 03 16:08
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] I love it! @expatpaul ... gotta get some c[_]Nov 03 16:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] !Tzag Identizens @Laurelrusswurm @Expatpaul @Nybill @Mcnalu @Dvdmrsdn @Theru @Mbjunior @Andyc @Expatpaul @Hgfernan @1111Aether #aaewiuNov 03 16:16
msb_People are using major scientific instruments to measure the stuff -- x-ray fluorescence, mass-spectrometers.Nov 03 16:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Apple Apologises in the Wrong Place (For Now) #android #fudNov 03 16:20
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msb_And they have theories that are starting to correlate with mainstream physics -- Bose-Einstein Condensates (albeit at room temperature), and such.Nov 03 16:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I was wondering whether the Google cloudprint cups python script (currently in ppa form) has been added to !Ubuntu 12.10?Nov 03 16:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] It seems such an obvious utility to have. It should be part of the mainstream install IMHONov 03 16:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Word of the day pantisocracy.Nov 03 16:23
msb_This cat's tail was cut off in a building collapse and they regrew it using topical and systemic preparations.  Never happened before in this high a mammal! 03 16:27
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Samuel Coleridge "I am the resurrection" CC @StonerosesNov 03 16:28
msb_The universe is stranger than we know!Nov 03 16:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Software Patents Teleforum: No Programmers Allowed Another rotten system protec 03 16:30
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MinceRgeekingsNov 03 16:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Caveat in British Standards Policy #uk #frand #swpats !fsfe !fsfNov 03 16:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Apple Brand Flushed #iphone #hypephone #ifone #mexico #trademarkNov 03 16:50
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schestowitz"Software Patents Teleforum: No Programmers Allowed Another rotten system protected by lawyers. #swpats"Nov 03 16:50
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schestowitz 03 16:52
TechrightsBot-tr@Jesus M. Gonzalez-Barahona (jgbarah)'s status on Saturday, 03-Nov-12 16:31:51 UTC - NASA and the birth of OpenStack On how public money can produce tons of innovation with #freesoftware /v @schestowitzNov 03 16:52
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Globetom’s GP3 achieves Oracle #Exadata Ready status very powerful #linux serverNov 03 16:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Make an emulator gaming cabinet with your $35 #RaspberryPi with #linuxNov 03 16:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Wears glasses, thinks people who don't need to cope with too fine a resolution. #torvalds 03 17:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #TinyCore #Linux 4.7 overhauls the #OnDemand system #gnuNov 03 17:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Competitor #SugarCRM May Shoot for IPO in 2013 Larry Augustin rocksNov 03 17:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #ARM And #Linux Aim At Intel In The Data Center #intel is a bad boy of #hardware so shun it 03 17:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Red Hat, Xen, Java, Cloudera prepped for 64-bit ARM #arm #linuxNov 03 17:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #android is great in the sense that it hurts three abusive companies at the same time. It not only promotes #linuxNov 03 17:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Intel is having issues, it blames #vista8 and runs over to #linux and #android (too little, too late) 03 17:08
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Calling all #LinuxMint fans: There's a new online store to check out #gnu #linuxNov 03 17:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] A Schestowitz users not fans.Nov 03 17:11
MinceRthis bernays character is kind of spookyNov 03 17:19
MinceRhe didn't even seem to suspect that the ideas he's pushing are evilNov 03 17:20
schestowitzyeahNov 03 17:20
schestowitzdid you watch the BBC's docu "Century of the Self"?Nov 03 17:20
MinceRi haven't seen itNov 03 17:20
schestowitzwatch it on youtubeNov 03 17:21
schestowitzyou'd want to choke BernaysNov 03 17:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Microsoft v. Motorola Trial - Everyone Involved Asks That the Public Be Excluded From the Heart of the Evidence 03 17:21
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schestowitzFreud's evil nephew, trying to monetise his uncles theory by putting it to negative use in the USNov 03 17:22
schestowitzBernays makes me hate people who work in "PR" and "marketing" with a relatively high passionNov 03 17:22
MinceRicNov 03 17:22
schestowitzI spent over tow hours with a friend who is a prof today speaking about health issueNov 03 17:23
schestowitzhis and others'Nov 03 17:23
schestowitzlike cancersNov 03 17:23
schestowitzBernays made a lot of money and brought his career to heights when he "taught women to smoke"Nov 03 17:23
schestowitzLike it's an achievementNov 03 17:23
schestowitzOne might say, at his time the effect - esp. long-term - was not knowNov 03 17:23
schestowitzso in a way, I can blame people like him for my grnadma's deathNov 03 17:23
schestowitzAlso, he made a killing when he helped the US government do PR with CFR-like bodies to promote warsNov 03 17:24
schestowitzhe taught the US govt. how to manipulate the public in to supporting connquestNov 03 17:24
schestowitzI think terms like spradign democracy are tied to him, buit I'm not sureNov 03 17:24
schestowitzmaybe he coined othersNov 03 17:24
schestowitzPublic Relaitons in itself is a PR termNov 03 17:24
schestowitzUsed to be propagandaNov 03 17:24
schestowitzlike in Germany, the "Propaganda Minister"Nov 03 17:25
schestowitzhe killed the term, it got vaught up with genocide thereafterNov 03 17:25
schestowitz!google youtube bbc centuty of the self part 1Nov 03 17:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Spanish retailer suspends plan to sell the Nexus 4 as LG hikes its retail price by hundreds of euros 03 17:26
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schestowitzcarson  et al. IIRC, mainstream press, whitewashed bernays... he helped them make money through ads and stuff, I guess.Nov 03 17:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 3/11/2012: Fedora as Rolling-Release Distribution Amid Delays? #techrightsNov 03 17:30
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TechrightsBot-tr@jpetrise: #Apple lose the Rights to use the name iPhone in Mexico 03 17:39
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] This is About time.Nov 03 17:45
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schestowitz 03 17:54 reshared: Regarding the upcoming #POTUS elections: Consider candidate #GaryJohnson. Now, nobody's expecting him to win, of course. But here's the thing: If the Johnson/Gray ticket gets at least 5% of the popular vote, the #Libertarian Party is entitled to federal funding for future campaigns. And before you start mumbling something about a 'wasted vote,' consider this: ![]( "Obama and RomnNov 03 17:54
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schestowitz"Is this for real? Is this maybe a move to choose him over the others? Or reality is changing?"Nov 03 17:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] #heise: "Britische Regierung setzt auf vergütungsfreie offene Standards" mit @karsten / !fsfeNov 03 17:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] good afternoon @satiperaNov 03 17:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Valuable lesson⇒when copying text of formatted #odt into #Thunderbird, edit the original not the email…had mysterious occurrance of italicsNov 03 18:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] I looked it up with no joy earlier. How do you convert PDF to ODF?Nov 03 18:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @lnxwalt @mbjunior #coffee is a required vegetable in my diet. It has vitamin caffeine. @mpr @jpopeNov 03 18:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] The Christians were out evangelising again in town, I walked by on the other side of the road. !AtheismNov 03 18:25
schestowitz 03 18:29 Talk Of #Fedora As A Rolling-Release Distribution #redhat #gnu #linuxNov 03 18:29
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schestowitz"Rolling release is the future, it has a lot of advantages, but stability needs some work."Nov 03 18:29
schestowitzFeodra has been dyingNov 03 18:29
schestowitzbut Red Hat is notNov 03 18:29
schestowitzso Fedora goes onNov 03 18:29
schestowitz 03 18:29 #android is great in the sense that it hurts three abusive companies at the same time. It not only promotes #linuxNov 03 18:29
schestowitz'Isn't #android Google-centric?"Nov 03 18:29
schestowitzGoogle I never considered to be offensive, except to our privacy.Nov 03 18:30
schestowitz 03 18:30 reshared: ![cats]( #gif #catsNov 03 18:30
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schestowitz"widely used with the tagline "abandon thread!""Nov 03 18:30
MinceRrolling release is a bad ideaNov 03 18:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] !NaNoWriMo meets @larryrusswurm 03 18:31
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MinceRand it always was a bad ideaNov 03 18:32
iophkRolling release is a very bad idea for stability and general usefulness.  It's easier for some kinds of developers but punishes the users greatly.Nov 03 18:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] A Film I have been waiting for a few days has decided to stall with 2.1 MB to go :(Nov 03 18:41
schestowitz 03 18:44 #android is great in the sense that it hurts three abusive companies at the same time. It not only promotes #linuxNov 03 18:44
schestowitz"I see. I happen to disagree, but your mileage may vary."Nov 03 18:44
schestowitziophk: some don't agreeNov 03 18:44
schestowitzbut for servers it would be a bad ideaNov 03 18:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #NaNoWriMo word count 7,786 - entering dialogue heavy zone for a bit, passed todays target, so a break is called for methinksNov 03 18:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] "You are a construct not a human being ". "Bollocks" he replied. LOLNov 03 18:48
iophkThere will always be some that don't agreeNov 03 18:49
iophkfor anything that requires predictability, rolling releases are bad idea.  For servers it would be a disaster.Nov 03 18:50
iophkAgain for some kinds of developers it can be useful, but it basically locks out non-developers from the distro.Nov 03 18:52
schestowitzubuntu will have fewer betasNov 03 18:53
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iophkI hope it does not fall on its face.Nov 03 18:54
schestowitzso unless you compile Ubuntu dev from source, you'll have little stuff on which to comment, e.g. features that are badNov 03 18:54
iophkWith rolling releases it is too easy to sweep everything under the rugNov 03 18:54
schestowitzRMS will release an article against Ubuntu soonNov 03 18:54
schestowitzI helped him check it, I already read itNov 03 18:54
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schestowitzhe recommends that people shun UbuntuNov 03 18:54
iophkWhat's the main beef against Ubunt?  The Amazon mistake?Nov 03 18:54
schestowitzyesNov 03 18:54
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schestowitzhe has only just released an article in Wired about patent reformNov 03 18:55
schestowitzI guess Ubuntu will be his spiel on MondayNov 03 18:55
iophkIt was done *very* badly.  Amazon searching could have been added in a non-invasive wayNov 03 18:55
schestowitzfor web onlyNov 03 18:55
schestowitzor disabled by defaultNov 03 18:55
iophkIt doesn't help that the decision makers dig in their heels.Nov 03 18:57
schestowitzFedora 18 Beta Has Been... Delayed, Once Again 03 18:57
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iophkThe feature simply wasn't adequately thought through.   No big deal.  Roll it back and get feedback and fix it.Nov 03 18:57
schestowitzor disable by defaultNov 03 18:58
schestowitzbut then Amazon would not pay themNov 03 18:58
schestowitzand maybe Facebook, BBC, etc.Nov 03 18:58
schestowitzbrb teaNov 03 18:59
iophkIt's really bad to mix internal searching with external searching.  There is zero chance that the external search results will be relevant to an internal search.Nov 03 18:59
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iophkI'm sure RMS will say it a lot better.   It probably irks people that he's right. Nov 03 19:02
iophkAgainNov 03 19:02
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schestowitzyes, but..Nov 03 19:11
schestowitzHe also took a unique angleNov 03 19:11
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schestowitzthough I promised not to share until he publishes itNov 03 19:11
iophkI look forward to it. Nov 03 19:11
schestowitzMeanwhile I'm arguing with a fellow prof. about MRI (minutes ago)Nov 03 19:11
schestowitz"Nov 03 19:11
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schestowitzHi Mark,Nov 03 19:11
schestowitzEarlier today you said you had heard that MRI can cause cancer. This surprised me because as far as I know magnets hardly have an effect on cells, it's just that cells let less current pass through them. The modality can therefore show it as attenuating less power, hence the colour variation. I do know that MRI scanners can use up a lot of power and have some side effects in hospitals (in fact, one went out of commission when I was in Nov 03 19:11
iophkWhere will it be publishedNov 03 19:11
schestowitzit for experiments). But I am not able to find anything that suggests a correlation between cancer and MRI:Nov 03 19:11
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schestowitzIt is very easy to find the correlation when it comes to CT, which is just a fancy cover-up for x-ray (with all that baggage of "cancer" connotation). Like I said, my brother and sister who are CT programmers (Philips and GE) are told this in advance and sign a waiver. If MRI has some carcinogenic effect, then I'd be interesting in knowing. Anyway, see you Tuesday around 4:30.Nov 03 19:12
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TechrightsBot-trTitle: mri cancer - Ixquick Web Search .::. Size~: 82.54 KBNov 03 19:12 i supposeNov 03 19:12 usually has josh or mat write stuffNov 03 19:12
schestowitzfsf is feeble nowNov 03 19:12
iophkfsfe is fairly strong as is the effNov 03 19:12
schestowitznoNov 03 19:13
schestowitzfsfe is weakNov 03 19:13
iophkthey publish a fair amountNov 03 19:13
schestowitzit's mostly karsten, huge roy and some "associates" whom you hardly ever see doing a thing in publicNov 03 19:13
schestowitz*hugo royNov 03 19:13
iophktoo badNov 03 19:13
schestowitzfsfe don't publish muchNov 03 19:13
schestowitzlook at their siteNov 03 19:13
schestowitzand ffii is pretty much defunct since 2009Nov 03 19:14
schestowitzeff is strong, along with aclu and others which don't focus on technologyNov 03 19:14
schestowitzmichael gesit sort of vanished tooNov 03 19:14
iophkwhat happened to them all at the same time?Nov 03 19:14
schestowitzApril and other ACTA-oriented groups lost their relevance when ACT et al diedNov 03 19:14
schestowitzor struggled to find purposeNov 03 19:14
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schestowitzi think the economic meltdown played a roleNov 03 19:16
schestowitzless donation, less spare money, and people more stressed to make a livingNov 03 19:16
iophkI think that the meltdown would increase their relevanceNov 03 19:16
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MinceRand they haven't given up anywayNov 03 19:17
MinceRit won't be called ACTA, but they will try againNov 03 19:17
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] How a Norco case killed 13TB of data 03 19:43
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is sandersch from with 65 dents!Nov 03 19:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Stuff Gadget Awards 2012 – Tablet of the Year winner | Stuff magazine go #linux :D vi@mvNov 03 20:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Verizon Worker Arrested For Copying Customer's Nude Pictures 03 20:05
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Home sweet home :-) 03 20:08
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Lynn Russwurm will be at the Kitchener Toy and #Collectable Expo tomorrow !WRAwesome #BingemansNov 03 20:28
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TechrightsBot-tr@Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clacke)'s status on Saturday, 03-Nov-12 20:05:53 UTC - Parlementum: @schestowitz ... aaaand you completely missed the point. Several points. I have been lamenting the same thing for years. Disclosure: 4-eye.Nov 03 20:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Time to get back to work on my new novel !NaNoWriMo #amwritingNov 03 20:38
schestowitzApple is the latest company to feel the patent infringement pinch from a firm called Intercarrier Communications.Nov 03 20:41
schestowitzLike MicrosoftNov 03 20:41
schestowitzMaking a lossNov 03 20:41
schestowitzInertia is public ignoranc, aggressionNov 03 20:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] LOL ...Apple re-sizes website so that the Samsung apology statement is out of clear view 03 20:45
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schestowitzSounds dubious 03 20:49
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Happy Birthday Godzilla (no relation to @mcnalu :) 03 20:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Procrastination/socialization completed for now... now is time to !write !NaNoWriMo #amwritingNov 03 20:55
schestowitz"Doesn't the UK have contempt charges for a case like this?"Nov 03 20:57
schestowitz"""I think it's childish and indicates that apple are a bunch of assholes. I never had a problem with the company before, but their manipulation of the legal system and now this is too much to ignore. It's like the thrashings of someone drowning, trying to pull themselves up, but instead forcing others down with them.""Nov 03 20:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Linus #Torvalds Tries #KDE, Likes It So Far - Slashdot go kde :DNov 03 20:58
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schestowitz 03 21:24 #android is great in the sense that it hurts three abusive companies at the same time. It not only promotes #linuxNov 03 21:24
schestowitz"Android is Google centric but it is free software. Most users don't get that freedom, but it is a step in the right direction from hypeDevices and Microsoft. Real software freedom is closer."Nov 03 21:24
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schestowitz"didn't he say that all that 4 billion were for his education foundation?"Nov 03 21:25
schestowitz 03 21:25 Apple: can employ 10 year old kids in China to assemble iDevices, cannot employ desperate Americans.Nov 03 21:25
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schestowitzwatching this, someone posted the link, seems like an interesting clipNov 03 21:28
MinceRdey took our jerbs!Nov 03 21:31
schestowitzhurr durrNov 03 21:35
schestowitzok, this docu is good and simple for all to followNov 03 21:35
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schestowitz"That's even better :)"Nov 03 21:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] That Daniel Burgess track you played on !rr had some amazing guitar playing @methoddanNov 03 22:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Economia portuguesa destruiu 428 mil empregos desde chegada da "troika" - JN #pt #collapse #euNov 03 22:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Proposta do Governo pode levar Portugal a aproximar-se da situação grega - Dinheiro Vivo #pt #collapseNov 03 22:08
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] How to install and boot 145 operating systems in a PC #floss #geeksNov 03 22:13
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] A**L? na ;)Nov 03 22:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] How much do you have to pay to use Office 2013 RT for work? 03 22:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Apple hides Samsung apology on its UK site so it can’t be seen without scrolling 03 22:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] pro tips for #spammers wanting their accounts abruptly silenced; spam a moderator with the ability to silence directlyNov 03 22:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Constant Technology Use May Hamper Kids' Ability To Learn - Slashdot #education .... putativo engº e magalhães...hello!Nov 03 22:58
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