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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2116821Nov 19 00:00
schestowitz"Everyone isn't ewe?"Nov 19 00:00
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DaemonFCschestowitz: I don't particularly like women. The only thing worse than women are children.Nov 19 00:29
DaemonFCNobody really cares what men have to deal with.Nov 19 00:29
DaemonFCIf a man hits a woman, there's the police, a shelter, and a 24-hour 800 number for that.Nov 19 00:30
DaemonFCIf a woman hits a man, he just has to stand there and not do anything about it.Nov 19 00:30
DaemonFCWomen know that. Women use that.Nov 19 00:30
DaemonFCWomen use it as a "What the hell? I'm going to go psychotic on him and he can't do a thing about it! Hahaha!"Nov 19 00:31
DaemonFCMen do dangerous jobs and hard physical labor.Nov 19 00:31
DaemonFCMen are soldiers.Nov 19 00:31
DaemonFCWomen go on Oprah and get told that being a mother is "the hardest job on the planet"Nov 19 00:32
DaemonFCAll those poor women. Dying of black lung because they have the "hardest job in the world"....Nov 19 00:32
DaemonFCyou know?Nov 19 00:32
DaemonFCAt what point can you tell them that you don't care about their problems because nobody cares about yours? :)Nov 19 00:33
schestowitzI have a friend whose g/f for 14 years is hitting him sometimesNov 19 00:33
schestowitzlike scratching and stuffNov 19 00:33
schestowitzthey know they're immune to that unless the guy has temperNov 19 00:33
schestowitzbut it's not fair to generalliseNov 19 00:33
schestowitzthere's a lot of the oppositeNov 19 00:33
DaemonFCwe live in a reverse sexist societyNov 19 00:34
DaemonFCsociety hands women all the social services and listens to all their problemsNov 19 00:34
DaemonFCif a man has problems, he's weak, should be embarrassed Nov 19 00:34
DaemonFCit's like racismNov 19 00:35
DaemonFCeventually there's white guilt and then the white guilt goes on much longer than the racismNov 19 00:36
DaemonFCif there's one white racist for every 1,000 white people, then we still get to hear about racism being widespreadNov 19 00:36
DaemonFCmore affirmative action is needed...Nov 19 00:37
DaemonFCaffirmative action is causing racism at this pointNov 19 00:37
DaemonFCthe womens rights movement is dragging on and bringing on its own negative stereotypes of womenNov 19 00:38
DaemonFCeventually, all the big problems are solvedNov 19 00:38
DaemonFCthe movement goes on and starts  nitpickingNov 19 00:39
DaemonFCand it breeds more contempt than the quantity of problems it is solvingNov 19 00:39
DaemonFCI have a feeling that the gay rights movement will get there eventuallyNov 19 00:39
DaemonFCright now, not so muchNov 19 00:39
DaemonFCplenty of fights left that need to be resolvedNov 19 00:40
DaemonFCthe last big one is marriageNov 19 00:40
DaemonFCthat one is moving in the right directionNov 19 00:40
DaemonFC20 years from now, we'll have won thatNov 19 00:40
DaemonFCit'll be legal in every stateNov 19 00:40
schestowitzhttp://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2012/11/11/equal-versus-identical/Nov 19 00:41
TechrightsBot-trTitle: schestowitz.com  » Blog Archive   » Equal Versus Identical .::. Size~: 38.42 KBNov 19 00:41
DaemonFCat that point, it could turn into the next NAACP or feminist movement or somethingNov 19 00:41
DaemonFCall the battles are won, and the group goes on to be an embarrassing relicNov 19 00:42
DaemonFCequal rights under the law for every citizenNov 19 00:43
DaemonFCthat's a great goalNov 19 00:43
DaemonFCsociety falls short of that and needs to be prodded sometimesNov 19 00:43
DaemonFCunfortunately, this can lead to overcompensation later onNov 19 00:44
DaemonFCinstead of "The landlord can't deny renters because they're black" you get "The landlord is too afraid to turn back ANY black renter, even if they have a bad credit score or a criminal record, or any number of other things that should disqualify a tenant."Nov 19 00:45
DaemonFCand then that becomes "The landlord has to have a certain percentage of black renters or else a government agency will go over him with a fine toothed comb."Nov 19 00:45
DaemonFCdiscrimination is hard to proveNov 19 00:46
DaemonFCit's hard to disproveNov 19 00:47
schestowitz"I don't think either one has been charged with 'truth telling' - you been reading the Fortean Times' again? www.massiah.eu "Nov 19 00:47
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2116281Nov 19 00:47
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Restrictions to Internet free speech: #Assange and #Manning http://english.ruvr.ru/2012_11_16/Restrictions-to-Internet-free-speech-Assange-and-Manning/ truth-telling is a crime now?Nov 19 00:47
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: Restrictions to Internet free speech: Assange and Manning: Voice of Russia .::. Size~: 67.24 KBNov 19 00:47
DaemonFCso it becomes a situation where a favored minority gets X number of rental homes to keep the government away, and this comes at the expense of other well-qualified rentersNov 19 00:48
schestowitzwomen sometimes get hired to meet quotasNov 19 00:48
schestowitzor foreign students/workers, as well as racial groupsNov 19 00:48
DaemonFCyeah, diversity visa lotteries are such a crockNov 19 00:48
DaemonFCthe Catholic church is using themNov 19 00:48
DaemonFCsponsoring employment visasNov 19 00:49
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2116143Nov 19 00:49
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: RT ‏@wikileaks Garzón: It would be illegal for Britain to arrest #Assange were he to need hospital care. http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/notas/883551.htmlNov 19 00:49
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: El Universal - El Mundo - Garzón pide respetar derechos humanos de Assange .::. Size~: 48.31 KBNov 19 00:49
schestowitz"Nov 19 00:49
schestowitzNo, it would not be illegal for Britain to areest the coward #Assange if he left the embassy for any reason - unless and until he becomes an Ecuadorian ANDis conferred diplomatic status.Nov 19 00:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Tolkien's reply to German request for proof of his "aryan descent" bit.ly/RN3txr priceless! /via @asta_fishNov 19 00:49
schestowitzWishful thinking does NOT make it true, however many idiots claim otherwise. Go ask a real lawyer.Nov 19 00:49
schestowitz"Nov 19 00:49
DaemonFCthey import people from Somalia or Uzbekistan so they can do minimum wage work for the churchNov 19 00:49
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2116141Nov 19 00:49
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Assange and the Attack on the Republic of #Ecuador http://rixstep.com/2//20121115,00.shtml chasing the messengerNov 19 00:49
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: Assange and the Attack on the Republic of Ecuador | Rixstep Learning Curve .::. Size~: 17.91 KBNov 19 00:49
schestowitz"Nov 19 00:49
schestowitzYes, I've noticed that wikileaks never leaks any sordid Ecuadorian truths. Maybe it IS perfect.Nov 19 00:49
schestowitzNot so sure the disappeared journos would agree.Nov 19 00:49
schestowitz"Nov 19 00:49
DaemonFCthey get out of hiring US citizens at a fair wageNov 19 00:49
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2116107Nov 19 00:49
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: One wins the minds of the people by hurting exploitative "bastards" as #assange calls them while minimising harm to their victimsNov 19 00:49
schestowitz"The coward #Assange being the leading expert exploitative bastard, of course :o)"Nov 19 00:49
DaemonFCThey import people that hate our guts and don't speak English and bring over members of criminal organizations so they can kill each other in Fort Wayne, Indiana, instead of SomaliaNov 19 00:50
DaemonFCand the more they do this crap, the more shootings you hear about in neighborhoods that never had that problem beforeNov 19 00:50
DaemonFCand while they're here, they also get to hook themselves into public welfare programs meant for US citizensNov 19 00:51
schestowitzhttp://www.examiner.com/article/julian-assange-calls-obama-a-wolf-sheep-s-clothingNov 19 00:51
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Julian Assange calls Obama 'a wolf in sheep's clothing' - National Blogosphere Buzz | Examiner.com .::. Size~: 63.27 KBNov 19 00:51
schestowitzhttp://www.examiner.com/article/julian-assange-calls-obama-a-wolf-sheep-s-clothingNov 19 00:51
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Julian Assange calls Obama 'a wolf in sheep's clothing' - National Blogosphere Buzz | Examiner.com .::. Size~: 63.27 KBNov 19 00:51
DaemonFCthose diversity visas are fucking ruining this countryNov 19 00:51
schestowitzis he calling obama a BLACK SHEEP? Racist!!!Nov 19 00:51
DaemonFCwe're not bringing in rocket scientistsNov 19 00:52
DaemonFCwe're importing minimum wage low skill workers if we're luckyNov 19 00:52
DaemonFCand terrorists if we aren'tNov 19 00:52
DaemonFCand we shouldn't be allowing this when the unemployement rate is already so highNov 19 00:53
DaemonFCbut, businesses get whatever they wantNov 19 00:53
DaemonFC*unemploymentNov 19 00:53
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2117224Nov 19 00:54
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Hackers obtained access to #FreeBSD servers http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Hackers-obtained-access-to-FreeBSD-servers-1752060.html #bsd #unixNov 19 00:54
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: Hackers obtained access to FreeBSD servers - The H Open: News and Features .::. Size~: 52.69 KBNov 19 00:54
schestowitz"Yeah, that sucks. IMHO they should have been using both keys and passwords. I suppose they were using only keys, which kinda sucks. Another thing is that having encrypted backups + checksums for all of your system files and encrypted backups is a must when you run such a huge project ... But well, what do I know?"Nov 19 00:54
DaemonFCdiversity visa is really just a euphemism for "Janitor"Nov 19 00:54
DaemonFCthat's all it isNov 19 00:54
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2116831Nov 19 00:54
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Caption needed http://www.kiepy.pl/uploads/2012_10/02/48121_3607_500_Nie-Chce-Cie-Znac.gifNov 19 00:54
schestowitz"How about: "hey you!""Nov 19 00:55
schestowitzlolNov 19 00:55
schestowitzjabbaNov 19 00:55
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DaemonFCtaking in a bunch of foreign studentsNov 19 00:55
DaemonFCteaching them how to replace usNov 19 00:55
DaemonFCnot in our national interest, but businesses that want to fire us and and outsource love itNov 19 00:55
DaemonFCso they get itNov 19 00:55
DaemonFCschestowitz: The same policies have already fucked over the UKNov 19 00:56
DaemonFCand continue to do soNov 19 00:56
DaemonFCwhen you're talking about a GDP growth of 0.2%, you're in troubleNov 19 00:57
DaemonFCI think Stallman was blaming austerity, but the real reason was decades of bad government policies that have made the country's economy less relevant and given employers free reign to take jobs wherever they wantNov 19 00:58
DaemonFCausterity is hurting because it was guzzling up tons of borrowed money to create an appearance of prosperityNov 19 00:58
DaemonFCwhen that's gone, the real situation emergesNov 19 00:58
DaemonFCthe only kind of worker revolt that is going to work is to refuse to reproduceNov 19 01:01
DaemonFCthe people who have the most kids are the dumbest bunch you'd ever want to seeNov 19 01:02
DaemonFClike those people the landlord kicked out this weekNov 19 01:03
DaemonFCcan't hold down jobs, on the welfare system, and they're having kidsNov 19 01:03
DaemonFClike they can't figure out where they're all coming from Nov 19 01:03
schestowitzhttp://penguinpetes.com/b2evo/index.php?title=a_call_for_better_physics_education&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1Nov 19 01:04
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Penguin Pete's Blog - A Call For Better Physics Education .::. Size~: 20.53 KBNov 19 01:04
schestowitzdoes the US still teach with imperial metrics stuff like physicsNov 19 01:04
schestowitz[01:02] <DaemonFC> the people who have the most kids are the dumbest bunch you'd ever want to seeNov 19 01:05
schestowitzit's not always the parents who sufferNov 19 01:05
schestowitzit can be the impoverished kidsNov 19 01:05
schestowitzsome won't be getting higher education, job, etc.Nov 19 01:05
DaemonFCEverything in grade school is still in US Customary UnitsNov 19 01:05
schestowitzSo in a sense a lot of the toll goes on the kid, notthe parentNov 19 01:05
DaemonFCthey go over the metric system so fast that most people really didn't learn itNov 19 01:05
DaemonFCif they did, most of them never use it, so they just forget itNov 19 01:05
schestowitzthe government often gives some handouts to make sure the kids don't starve and that they have a roof over their headsNov 19 01:05
schestowitzDaemonFC: but what about physics classes?Nov 19 01:06
DaemonFCboth systemsNov 19 01:06
DaemonFCthe US has a hybrid system where metric is used for healthcare and in the food industry, but US Customary Units are all that most people useNov 19 01:08
schestowitzvery stupidNov 19 01:08
schestowitzretards the youthNov 19 01:08
DaemonFCcalling it the "imperial system" isn't quite rightNov 19 01:09
schestowitzi think NASA uses metricsNov 19 01:09
schestowitzmetricNov 19 01:09
DaemonFCUS measurements use the same names but are actually defined differentlyNov 19 01:09
schestowitzit's called imperial here and it's similarNov 19 01:09
DaemonFCyeah, ever since the Mars probe that crashedNov 19 01:09
schestowitzouches here are not the same thoughNov 19 01:09
DaemonFCJPL was using metric, NASA wasn'tNov 19 01:09
schestowitznasa seems to hire many foreign students who graduated, so they know metricNov 19 01:10
schestowitznow they go back home to nations like CHina perhaps, using that knowledge to make rockets for the red army :-)Nov 19 01:11
schestowitznasa must have had massive layoffsNov 19 01:11
schestowitzbut it's not a publicly traded company or anythingNov 19 01:11
DaemonFCyeahNov 19 01:11
DaemonFCnot just NASA, mostly private contractorsNov 19 01:12
schestowitznasa will always have former nazi icons like von braun and his comrades to brag about..Nov 19 01:12
DaemonFCa lot of people that were working on the shuttle program were so old, they just went ahead and retiredNov 19 01:12
schestowitzthe rockets in Germany were kind of in the rocks after Hitler blew his brains outNov 19 01:13
schestowitzsome former german intel services officers, very well informed people, became among the roots of the CIANov 19 01:13
schestowitzNo wonder the CIA often acts like a bunch of NaxzisNov 19 01:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Too much... http://ur1.ca/b2hqwNov 19 01:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Vendetta masks declared illegal in #UAE http://ur1.ca/b2hwi war on facesNov 19 01:32
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Thugs http://ur1.ca/b2i2eNov 19 01:34
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Happiness http://ur1.ca/b2i7yNov 19 01:37
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Black hole found on earth http://ur1.ca/b2ib0Nov 19 01:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] aren't they welcome to contribute? :-) ♻ @schestowitz: Hackers obtained access to FreeBSD servers http://ur1.ca/b08uvNov 19 01:42
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TechrightsBot-trTitle: Hackers obtained access to FreeBSD servers - The H Open: News and Features .::. Size~: 52.72 KBNov 19 01:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The Best Driving Games and Car #Games on #Linux http://ur1.ca/b2iy9Nov 19 01:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Texas http://ur1.ca/b2iynNov 19 01:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] What's Exciting About FreeBSD 9.1: Intel KMS http://ur1.ca/b2iz5 #bsd #intel #kmsNov 19 01:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @glynmoody: open letter to Rep. Joe Kennedy on seizing the © initiative - http://bit.ly/XSyhBT more USians need to write similar letterNov 19 01:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Reporting using #drones but not about drones http://ur1.ca/b2j0xNov 19 01:49
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] With #drones "U.S. is not even following its own laws" http://ur1.ca/b2j1sNov 19 01:50
TechrightsBot-trTitle: UVA Professor / Former CIA IG Calls Drone War A Success | Scoop News .::. Size~: 76.34 KBNov 19 01:50
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/97960191Nov 19 01:52
TechrightsBot-tr@Alexandre Oliva (lxoliva)'s status on Monday, 19-Nov-12 01:41:41 UTC - Identi.ca: aren't they welcome to contribute? :-)  ♻ @schestowitz: Hackers obtained access to FreeBSD servers http://ur1.ca/b08uvNov 19 01:52
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: Hackers obtained access to FreeBSD servers - The H Open: News and Features .::. Size~: 52.72 KBNov 19 01:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] MSBBC has published "Phone patents: An absurd battle", but the page jusy vanished. Can't search for that in site, either.Nov 19 01:57
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2118690Nov 19 01:58
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #obama still supports #drone and attacks #wikileaks but always secretly for #pr reasons http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/julian-assange-labels-obama-a-wolf-in-sheeps-clothing/story-fnd134gw-1226512743231Nov 19 01:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Lurk no more http://ur1.ca/b2jka #censorship - where learning about a problem becomes forbidden too, letting the problem beNov 19 01:59
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Internet censorship in Russia: Lurk no more | The Economist .::. Size~: 158.92 KBNov 19 01:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] 'Social' sites used against one in court http://ur1.ca/b2joeNov 19 02:00
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Technology & Marketing Law Blog: Court Orders Password Turnover and In Camera Review of Social Media Accounts – EEOC v. Original Honeybaked Ham Co. .::. Size~: 30.34 KBNov 19 02:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #vista8 annoys users http://ur1.ca/b2jrgNov 19 02:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "How do I hate thee Windows 8? Let me count the ways." http://ur1.ca/b2jtv #vista8Nov 19 02:04
TechrightsBot-trTitle: What not to buy on Black Friday: Windows 8 PCs & laptops | ZDNet .::. Size~: 90.73 KBNov 19 02:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] "There is nothing more powerful than an idea whose time has come" bit.ly/ZVdTPPNov 19 02:22
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2118719Nov 19 02:27
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "How do I hate thee Windows 8? Let me count the ways." http://www.zdnet.com/what-not-to-buy-on-black-friday-windows-8-pcs-and-laptops-7000007557/  #vista8Nov 19 02:27
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: What not to buy on Black Friday: Windows 8 PCs & laptops | ZDNet .::. Size~: 88.83 KBNov 19 02:27
schestowitz"Nov 19 02:27
schestowitzwrote a little rant about Windows the other day because someone wondered why some obvious feature had not been implemented. The answer is that Windows works for Microsoft at the user's expense. I think I'll share here. Cheers.Nov 19 02:27
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2118739Nov 19 02:27
TechrightsBot-tr@willhill@joindiaspora.com: Someone asked me why Microsoft had not implemented an obvious feature.  It's because Windows works for Microsoft's owners, not you.  That's the point on non free software and it's also why you should avoid it.   The list of things Microsoft does not provide is tremendous.  Virtual desktops, a choice of desktops, file systems that don't corrupt themselves, real user privilege separation, shells with paths that work, sanNov 19 02:27
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] #WIPO trying to bring imaginary property shenanigans to #Africa - because it's not fucked up enough yet, apparently! bit.ly/WnnizVNov 19 02:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Gotta watch (pun intended) out for those terr'sts! bit.ly/T5O4HJ #USA #LandOftheScaredNov 19 03:42
DaemonFChttp://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_tfp_ef_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdThread=TxIRAAIFDRDZT4Nov 19 03:57
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: As the balloons from the failed Romnoid Robotfest deflate, "Restore Our Future" money laundering organization becomes "Republicans for Immigration Reform. .::. Size~: 185.93 KBNov 19 03:57
DaemonFCWalmart is threatening to fire any workers that picket during the Black Friday saleNov 19 04:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kxra/@kxra] Is the term "free culture" too libertarian/neoliberal? http://www.ur1.ca/b31j4 !sfc #freecultureNov 19 08:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kxra/@kxra] RT @jackieklaura Today a whole track on Feminism was/is presented at the FSCON 2013 - #freesoftware #freeculture #freesociety. Read/watc ...Nov 19 08:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #WorldBank's Climate Change Report Warns of Dramatically Warmer World This Century - http://bit.ly/Tb1fco well, well, wellNov 19 08:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Moody's Microblog Daily Digest 121118 - http://bit.ly/TM07s1 yesterday's tweets as a single Web page #MMDDNov 19 08:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Africa: Let's Re-Examine AU Intellectual Property Stance - http://bit.ly/Wo9LIi sensible stuffNov 19 08:39
TechrightsBot-trTitle: The World Bank - Climate Change - Climate Change Report Warns of Dramatically Warmer World This Century .::. Size~: 31.39 KBNov 19 08:39
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TechrightsBot-trTitle: allAfrica.com: Africa: Let's Re-Examine AU Intellectual Property Stance .::. Size~: 81.98 KBNov 19 08:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] WIPO Copyright Committee (SCCR 25) begins week of negotiations. Treaties for disabilities and broadcasting are focus - http://bit.ly/XriD1qNov 19 08:40
TechrightsBot-trTitle: WIPO Copyright Committee (SCCR 25) begins week of negotiations. Treaties for disabilities and broadcasting are focus | Knowledge Ecology International .::. Size~: 18.68 KBNov 19 08:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #EFSA: A playground of the biotech industry? - http://bit.ly/S5bP51 more criticism of this flawed organisationNov 19 08:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Obama visit: Activists take #TPP protest to airport - http://bit.ly/T6fwoz good to see awareness of the issues in #thailandNov 19 08:57
TechrightsBot-trTitle: bilaterals.org | Obama visit: Activists take TPP protest to airport .::. Size~: 83.13 KBNov 19 08:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Fraud fighter: 'Faked research is endemic in #China' - http://bit.ly/S5dwPJ brave chapNov 19 09:00
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Fraud fighter: 'Faked research is endemic in China' - opinion - 19 November 2012 - New Scientist .::. Size~: 53.01 KBNov 19 09:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The online highway code: 3 simple rules to solve the internet - http://bit.ly/UPGrKO "Think of it as a crowd-sourced version of Dignitas."Nov 19 09:07
TechrightsBot-trTitle: The online highway code: three simple rules to solve the internet | Charlie Brooker | Comment is free | The Guardian .::. Size~: 305.73 KBNov 19 09:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] PM to crackdown on 'time-wasting' appeals - http://bbc.in/TM1SWd er, aren't those "time-wasting appeals" what we call democratic discussion?Nov 19 09:10
TechrightsBot-trTitle: BBC News - PM to crackdown on 'time-wasting' appeals .::. Size~: 81.62 KBNov 19 09:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] UK Collecting Societies To Adopt Minimum Standards - http://bit.ly/ZWQi1j about time, no?Nov 19 09:15
TechrightsBot-trTitle: IP Osgoode  » UK Collecting Societies To Adopt Minimum Standards .::. Size~: 52.96 KBNov 19 09:15
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/m0n0lithic/statuses/270378490937884672Nov 19 09:16
TechrightsBot-tr@m0n0lithic: Fe de Errata: Chris Mason (btrfs main developer) abandonó Oracle hace ya mas de 5 meses http://t.co/kYk61RcDNov 19 09:16
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: Goodbye Oracle | Techrights .::. Size~: 88.8 KBNov 19 09:16
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/filipesaraiva/statuses/270342208979337216Nov 19 09:17
TechrightsBot-tr@filipesaraiva: RT @lxoliva aren't they welcome to contribute? :-)  ♻ @schestowitz: Hackers obtained access to FreeBSD servers http://t.co/lo9FhZpINov 19 09:17
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/usernm/statuses/270344148811411456Nov 19 09:17
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: Hackers obtained access to FreeBSD servers - The H Open: News and Features .::. Size~: 52.72 KBNov 19 09:17
TechrightsBot-tr@usernm: This made my day. RT @schestowitz: Too much... http://t.co/DgrJjFmiNov 19 09:17
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2118739#Nov 19 09:19
TechrightsBot-tr@willhill@joindiaspora.com: Someone asked me why Microsoft had not implemented an obvious feature.  It's because Windows works for Microsoft's owners, not you.  That's the point on non free software and it's also why you should avoid it.   The list of things Microsoft does not provide is tremendous.  Virtual desktops, a choice of desktops, file systems that don't corrupt themselves, real user privilege separation, shells with paths that work, sanNov 19 09:19
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schestowitz@Nov 19 09:19
schestowitzI just started a job where we use XP computers. (It's the first job I've had that's not manual labor.) I find that one of my motivating forces for getting through the day is the fact that I get to come home and use my Linux box.Nov 19 09:19
schestowitzI just want to edit the fucking config file for the stupid program we're using. Oh yeah, and set up a forchrissake swap partition so we don't have to reboot twice a day. Damn, it's infuriating.Nov 19 09:19
schestowitz@Nov 19 09:19
schestowitz@Wait till they make you use Outlook. When I run into those problems, I just try to do the job and not let other people's bad decisions get me down. Often, the people making those bad decisions are trapped by the bad decisions of vendors. I've got plenty of that at my job, where the bad decision was to load medical equipment, costing millions of dollars, with Microsoft. My job, actually, is to independently verify everything and never Nov 19 09:20
schestowitzto just trust the software or the machine.@Nov 19 09:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Artificial happiness http://ur1.ca/b35wpNov 19 09:32
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Creating wealth http://ur1.ca/b366lNov 19 09:35
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2118719Nov 19 09:36
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "How do I hate thee Windows 8? Let me count the ways." http://www.zdnet.com/what-not-to-buy-on-black-friday-windows-8-pcs-and-laptops-7000007557/  #vista8Nov 19 09:36
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: What not to buy on Black Friday: Windows 8 PCs & laptops | ZDNet .::. Size~: 89.23 KBNov 19 09:36
schestowitz"Pay to see ads... The acceleration of the velocity at which they dumbed down since I last saw a windows pc is tremendous."Nov 19 09:36
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2118686Nov 19 09:36
TechrightsBot-tr@linux@joindiaspora.com: The Best Driving Games and Car #Games on #Linux http://linuxaria.com/article/the-best-driving-games-and-car-games-on-linux?lang=enNov 19 09:36
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: » Linuxaria – Everything about GNU/Linux and Open source The Best Driving Games and Car Games on Linux .::. Size~: 71.39 KBNov 19 09:37
MinceRgeekingsNov 19 09:37
schestowitz"STK is awesome and funny as anything I've found in a long time"Nov 19 09:37
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Whitewashing #Drones http://ur1.ca/b36ie http://ur1.ca/b36ifNov 19 09:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Openwashinh #Drones http://ur1.ca/b36ja (Drone security project to go open source)Nov 19 09:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Border agency looks to expand drone aircraft fleet http://ur1.ca/b36m9 using robots to control societyNov 19 09:42
TechrightsBot-trTitle: ‘Drones for peace’ attracts much attention - thenews.com.pk .::. Size~: 42.3 KBNov 19 09:42
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Protestors' drone shot at Berks County pigeon shoot - mcall.com .::. Size~: 206.04 KBNov 19 09:42
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Drone security project to go open source • The Register .::. Size~: 28.29 KBNov 19 09:42
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Border agency looks to expand drone aircraft fleet - California Watch - The Sacramento Bee .::. Size~: 100.8 KBNov 19 09:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Decapitation by #drone losing effectiveness http://ur1.ca/b36oa "DRONE STRIKES NEED OUR ATTENTION" http://ur1.ca/b36odNov 19 09:44
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Decapitation by drone losing effectiveness | The Journal Gazette .::. Size~: 23.53 KBNov 19 09:44
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Kenney: Drone strikes need our attention | The University Daily Kansan .::. Size~: 43.05 KBNov 19 09:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Still Alive and Well: #DamnSmall #Linux http://ur1.ca/b36wo #gnuNov 19 09:49
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Still Alive and Well: Damn Small Linux - Goodbye, Microsoft® .::. Size~: 18.94 KBNov 19 09:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Lead #Compiz Developer Leaves Canonical To Persue Education http://ur1.ca/b370q #ubuntuNov 19 09:50
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Lead Compiz Developer Leaves Canonical To Persue Education - Muktware .::. Size~: 69.54 KBNov 19 09:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Banco de Portugal quer que o governador seja escolhido pelo Presidente da República http://goo.gl/rbkwM #ptNov 19 09:52
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Banco de Portugal quer que o governador seja escolhido pelo Presidente da República- Economia - Jornal de negócios online .::. Size~: 95.31 KBNov 19 09:52
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] A trip down memory lane http://ur1.ca/b37n8 #kdeNov 19 10:04
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Precise Puppy 5.4.1 http://ur1.ca/b37yy nice distro for old hardwareNov 19 10:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Relicensing #VLC to the #LGPL the hard way http://ur1.ca/ax52l !fsfNov 19 10:14
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Relicensing VLC to the LGPL the hard way - The H Open: News and Features .::. Size~: 54.68 KBNov 19 10:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #XBMC Media Center 12.0 Beta Out, Ships With #Android Support http://ur1.ca/b38fi #linuxNov 19 10:19
TechrightsBot-trTitle: XBMC Media Center 12.0 Beta Out, Ships With Android Support - Muktware .::. Size~: 68.4 KBNov 19 10:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] US Government Campaign Against Whistleblowers and Electronic Robin Hoods http://ur1.ca/b38la #obama protects the criminalsNov 19 10:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "This year alone, the U.S. military has launched 333 drones in Afghanistan." http://ur1.ca/b0edc daily #assassination (inc. bystanders)Nov 19 10:22
TechrightsBot-trTitle: US Government Campaign Against Whistleblowers and Electronic Robin Hoods .::. Size~: 40.65 KBNov 19 10:22
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Drones and Data Mining: After Petraeus, After the Election - NationalJournal.com .::. Size~: 42.99 KBNov 19 10:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Italian Catholic Church to pay property tax from next year http://ur1.ca/b38p0 no special treatment anymoreNov 19 10:24
TechrightsBot-trTitle: National Secular Society - Italian Catholic Church to pay property tax from next year .::. Size~: 18 KBNov 19 10:24
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2118643Nov 19 10:24
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Vendetta masks declared illegal in #UAE http://en-maktoob.news.yahoo.com/vendetta-masks-declared-illegal-in-uae.html war on facesNov 19 10:24
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: Vendetta masks declared illegal in UAE - Yahoo! News Maktoob .::. Size~: 339.33 KBNov 19 10:24
schestowitz"I prefer to die rather than fall to my knees and lick their boots."Nov 19 10:24
MinceRmeanwhile, they force women to hide their facesNov 19 10:25
MinceRbarbariansNov 19 10:25
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2116862Nov 19 10:25
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: I have finally managed to save my #Palm Tungsten, for now... almost 10 years in use now. Those things sure are durable...Nov 19 10:25
schestowitzMinceR: easier than makeup ;-)Nov 19 10:26
schestowitzMinceR: I like it when those women defend itNov 19 10:26
MinceRmakeup is optionalNov 19 10:26
schestowitzLike, I "wear it cause I want to"Nov 19 10:26
schestowitzLike the slave defenceNov 19 10:26
MinceR:>Nov 19 10:26
schestowitzThank you God for saving my life (while killing all my family in the car accident I survived)Nov 19 10:27
schestowitzThank you God for leaving me an arm, while taking away 2 legs and an armNov 19 10:27
schestowitzalways look at the quarter of the glass that's fullNov 19 10:27
schestowitz"I am not a slave"Nov 19 10:27
schestowitz"I am happy this way"Nov 19 10:27
schestowitz"My clothes don't oppress me"Nov 19 10:28
schestowitzIt's self-inflectedNov 19 10:28
schestowitz"I don't go to work because I'm forced to..."Nov 19 10:28
schestowitz"My expectation is that all computer hardware should last 10 years. My experience has been that workstations do -- but maybe not laptops. I still have a sharp wizzard that works ok. I have a book reading with an embedded battery -- I'm worried the battery will need replacing in 3 years list most li batteries."Nov 19 10:28
schestowitz"Nov 19 10:28
schestowitzMy HandSpring Visor took a fall once. I replaced the screen and still use it every day. Nov 19 10:28
schestowitzhttp://173.21.69.124/photo_album/chron/2006/2006_07_29_drop_handspring/Nov 19 10:29
schestowitzMy Thinkpad 760LD from 1995 still works but has a dead battery and is mostly useless for lack of RAM and processor. Nov 19 10:29
schestowitzhttp://173.21.69.124/photo_album/chron/2002/2002_08_09_Quebec_trip/slide_052.html http://173.21.69.124/photo_album/chron/2002/2002_08_09_Quebec_trip/slide_131.htmlNov 19 10:29
schestowitzThis Thinkpad 560 was still working at 10 years of age, http://173.21.69.124/photo_album/chron/desktop/2005_12_21-thinkpad_560-simply_mepis_3.3.2/Nov 19 10:29
schestowitzMy 1998 Thinkpad 600 also has a dead battery but is actually usable. http://173.21.69.124/photo_album/chron/desktop/2011_09_04-thinkpad_600_squeeze/Nov 19 10:29
schestowitzMy 2002 Thinkpad X30 is still working well. Nov 19 10:29
schestowitzhttp://173.21.69.124/photo_album/chron/desktop/2012_03_21-x30_rides_again/Nov 19 10:29
schestowitzI recently put a drive with a botched Wheezy install on it. That too worked well, but I'd rather do a clean install before writing it up.Nov 19 10:29
schestowitz"Nov 19 10:29
schestowitz"As much as I like Thinkpads, Lenovo made the mistake of passing along Microsoft's restricted boot. That changes everything. It's unclear if this was Lenovo's fault but it was a bad sign."Nov 19 10:29
schestowitzLenovo is said to have gained some share tooNov 19 10:29
iophkhttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2225564/uk-government-is-going-headlong-for-internet-filteringNov 19 10:31
TechrightsBot-trTitle: UK government is going headlong for internet filtering- The Inquirer .::. Size~: 63.58 KBNov 19 10:31
oiaohmMinceR: really they might have found method to get the ladies head dress made illegal.Nov 19 10:32
oiaohmMinceR: just protest with it on.Nov 19 10:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] For a short moment there (1 day) one faction of the Business Party tried to deviate on #copyright mandate, got blackmailed back.Nov 19 10:32
oiaohmschestowitz: currenting in the PC market is dog eat dog market.Nov 19 10:32
oiaohmschestowitz: the market size has not expanded so they only way Lenovo can gain share is eat someone elses.Nov 19 10:33
MinceRoiaohm: :DNov 19 10:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] 2008: 60 Minutes: Obama Reiterates Promise To Close Guantanamo Bay, End Torture http://ur1.ca/b3988 liar. He also added drones.Nov 19 10:34
TechrightsBot-trTitle: 60 Minutes: Obama Reiterates Promise To Close Guantanamo Bay, End Torture - YouTube .::. Size~: 188.38 KBNov 19 10:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "I said repeatedly that we don't torture" ~Obama, 2008. I guess hellfire from drones every day is not torture, it's jus http://ur1.ca/b39a0Nov 19 10:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "Creative Commons or the GPL that would allow people to use, modify, and enhance the recipes?" http://ur1.ca/b39cvNov 19 10:35
TechrightsBot-trTitle: "I said repeatedl... .::. Size~: 10.74 KBNov 19 10:35
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Poll: Should Hostess open source their recipes? | opensource.com .::. Size~: 49.61 KBNov 19 10:36
MinceRit's not torture if it kills quickly :>Nov 19 10:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] In the #uk it is lawful (and actively practised in secret) to punish entire family for one member's actions. The Nazis http://ur1.ca/b39fwNov 19 10:37
TechrightsBot-trTitle: In the #uk it is ... .::. Size~: 10.7 KBNov 19 10:37
oiaohmMinceR: and schestowitz you missed it.  http://techland.time.com/2011/09/23/scientists-can-almost-read-your-mind-turn-thoughts-into-movies/Nov 19 10:37
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Scientists Can (Almost) Read Your Mind, Turn Thoughts into Movies | TIME.com .::. Size~: 59.39 KBNov 19 10:37
oiaohmIn a very short time we will not need tortureNov 19 10:38
oiaohmWe just strap you into a MRI machine and question you and read your mind.Nov 19 10:38
schestowitzMRI for mind?Nov 19 10:38
oiaohmWe were just doing medical assessment.Nov 19 10:38
schestowitzNo, it shows brain strctureNov 19 10:38
schestowitzit doesn't do nueron analysisNov 19 10:38
schestowitzyou could not even use MRI as polygraphNov 19 10:39
MinceRthere's fMRINov 19 10:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Obama fought to protect criminals from the public more than predecessors, also legalising assassination of US citizens (NDAA).Nov 19 10:39
MinceRtells you how active certain parts of the brain areNov 19 10:39
schestowitzpolygraph is mostly a placebo, it's the belief that it works which makes it sot of work sometimesNov 19 10:39
oiaohmschestowitz: that link is using a form of MRI to read brain activity.Nov 19 10:39
schestowitzMinceR: not MRINov 19 10:39
schestowitzyou can put electrodes to the brainNov 19 10:39
MinceRfMRI is MRINov 19 10:39
schestowitzor maybe inject a contract agentNov 19 10:39
MinceRlook it up :>Nov 19 10:40
oiaohmNoNov 19 10:40
schestowitzon its own, MRI doesn't show muchNov 19 10:40
oiaohmschestowitz: fMRI you don't inject any agent.Nov 19 10:40
oiaohmschestowitz: its working both ways.Nov 19 10:40
schestowitzfMRI is an extension of the usual procedreNov 19 10:40
MinceRyes, and it sees how the blood flows in your brainNov 19 10:40
MinceRwhich is regulated as necessaryNov 19 10:41
MinceRhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FMRINov 19 10:41
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Functional magnetic resonance imaging - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 146.06 KBNov 19 10:41
oiaohmfMRI is better able to detect lieing than a lie detector.Nov 19 10:41
oiaohmBecause its able to see what section of brain the memory is comming from.Nov 19 10:41
MinceRhm, apparently not only blood flowNov 19 10:41
MinceRalso oxygenation statusNov 19 10:41
schestowitza fellow prof tols me that mri with contract agents can induce cancerNov 19 10:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Canaima 3.1 Screenshots http://ur1.ca/b39qp #gnu #linux for AmericansNov 19 10:44
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Canaima 3.1 Screenshots .::. Size~: 29.97 KBNov 19 10:44
schestowitzwhich was new to me, I couldn't verify this claimNov 19 10:44
oiaohmschestowitz: his claim is valid but misses the fine detail.Nov 19 10:44
oiaohmAdding anything abnormal to the human body can induce cancer if your DNA in your design that it runs into.Nov 19 10:45
MinceRafaik MRI is very rarely if ever done with contrast agentsNov 19 10:45
oiaohmcontrast agents have risks.Nov 19 10:46
MinceRthe radio frequency pulse is flexible enough to do all sorts of weightingNov 19 10:46
MinceRwithout contrast agentsNov 19 10:46
oiaohmReally our dna testing is not good enough to tell us what humans are safe to have most of the contrast agents.Nov 19 10:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Wikileaks brings justice to the world http://ur1.ca/b3a0eNov 19 10:49
TechrightsBot-trTitle: allAfrica.com: Zimbabwe: Mining Boss to Pay Millions Over Wikileaks Diamond Looting Claim .::. Size~: 82.19 KBNov 19 10:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft rats out alleged WikiLeaks supporter without waiting for court warrant http://ur1.ca/b3a2yNov 19 10:50
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Skype rats out alleged WikiLeaks supporter without waiting for court warrant  — RT .::. Size~: 51.75 KBNov 19 10:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "WikiLeaks criticised regulations it said had led to abuse and impunity and urged human rights activists..." http://ur1.ca/b3a4jNov 19 10:52
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2118714 "They do this to drive people to Microsoft's third rate web services."Nov 19 10:52
TechrightsBot-trTitle: WikiLeaks says releases hacked U.S. detainee rules | Reuters .::. Size~: 75.86 KBNov 19 10:52
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #vista8 annoys users http://mrpogson.com/2012/11/18/sinofsky-on-file-management/Nov 19 10:52
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: Sinofsky on File-Management at  Robert Pogson .::. Size~: 42.12 KBNov 19 10:52
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2117079Nov 19 10:53
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Vista 8 is Not Selling, But Microsoft’s #UEFI Scheme Blocks #Linux Installations/Booting http://techrights.org/2012/11/18/blocking-gnu-linux-in-oems/ #vista8 #windowsNov 19 10:53
schestowitz"Nov 19 10:53
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: Vista 8 is Not Selling, But Microsoft’s UEFI Scheme Blocks Linux Installations/Booting | Techrights .::. Size~: 95.37 KBNov 19 10:53
schestowitz"For now, if you want to run Fedora on these systems you’re probably best off changing the firmware to perform a legacy boot."Nov 19 10:53
schestowitzAnyone got a HOWTO to change firmware and all that? I think that's the stuff that is really needed, rather than trying to work around the existing firmware. It means we will be better armed for future tricks of the same nature.Nov 19 10:53
schestowitz"Nov 19 10:53
oiaohmschestowitz: try using windows 8 downgrade rights to install windows 7Nov 19 10:53
oiaohmschestowitz: yes call up asking todo downgrade rights with some execuse and have them walk you threw setting up legacy boot.Nov 19 10:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Math dance http://ur1.ca/b3afeNov 19 10:57
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2119336Nov 19 11:00
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: Someone asked me why Microsoft had not implemented an obvious feature.  It's because Windows works for Microsoft's owners, not you.  That's the point on non free software and it's also why you should avoid it.   The list of things Microsoft does not provide is tremendous.  Virtual desktops, a choice of desktops, file systems that don't corrupt themselves, real user privilege separation, shells with paths thNov 19 11:00
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schestowitz"Idea for new feature: Upload everything to the Cloud automatically, so Bing can find your stuff."Nov 19 11:00
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schestowitzLet's not give Canonical ideas !!Nov 19 11:01
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2118702Nov 19 11:01
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: MSBBC has published "Phone patents: An absurd battle", but the page jusy vanished. Can't search for that in site, either.Nov 19 11:01
schestowitz"Can't piss off the people who fund your operation, I guess."Nov 19 11:01
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2119346Nov 19 11:02
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: ![](http://goo.gl/K5W5B) #Image #Picture #Science #BlackHole - Black holes defy the very laws of #physics and devour anything that gets in their way. These cosmic destroyers are objects of infinite density compacted into a very small space. - http://goo.gl/jK6Rq - http://goo.gl/GJ1nv http://goo.gl/K5W5BNov 19 11:02
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TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: All About Black Holes: Formation & Discovery| Black Hole Facts & Information | Space.com .::. Size~: 41.34 KBNov 19 11:02
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: Stellar Evolution - Black Holes .::. Size~: 67.44 KBNov 19 11:02
schestowitz"It's worth noting that inside black hole time probobly stops [or doesn't exist]. The more you approach black hole, the slower is ticking your clock, and your body is being elongated"Nov 19 11:02
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oiaohmschestowitz: the time one is all a question of how we measure timeNov 19 11:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Jeżeli Chomikuj jest serwisem "pirackim", powinna się nim zajać Marynarka Wojenna. bit.ly/TM9zvDbit.ly/TM9zvD /via @piorekfNov 19 11:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] “They knew everything about me... every word I said through Skype.” http://ur1.ca/b3blq #syria #skype #microsoft #windows #backdoorNov 19 11:24
TechrightsBot-trTitle: The Hackers of Damascus - Businessweek .::. Size~: 56.7 KBNov 19 11:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] International Organization Finds U.S. Violating the Rights of Protestors http://ur1.ca/awdv7 not just the US...Nov 19 11:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] 'Take note of when reporters tell you that the latest violence "started."' http://ur1.ca/b3bpfNov 19 11:25
TechrightsBot-trTitle: International Organization Finds U.S. Violating the Rights of Protestors .::. Size~: 77.68 KBNov 19 11:25
TechrightsBot-trTitle: When Does Israel/Palestine Violence Start? | FAIR Blog .::. Size~: 108.33 KBNov 19 11:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] RT @NeelieKroesEU: Worrying reading. Is this what happens week after international spotlight is turned off? Anyone know more? #Azerbaijan...Nov 19 11:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Now the power is yours! - http://bit.ly/S9cG2T another rather bizarre video from the European Commission (v @asteris @BrunoBrussels)Nov 19 11:35
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Now the power is yours! - YouTube .::. Size~: 113.89 KBNov 19 11:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] let's hope it's not withdrawn like the republican copyright proposal....Nov 19 11:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] So, e'rryone that lives in Kasa put your hands up. Tired of running into you fuckers off guard! :-) Love y'all!Nov 19 11:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] And if you're one of my students don't say hi or nothing. I don't like you guys, I just lecture you. :-)Nov 19 11:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] But Does It Copy Macrovision, I Mean, Run Linux? http://ur1.ca/b36tp #linux #macrovisionNov 19 11:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Attacks on Seralini "about large sums of money" - http://bit.ly/TbfQ8H "Séralini chose the same strain of rat as Monsanto." good interviewNov 19 11:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Earth's history http://ur1.ca/b3couNov 19 11:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] RT @kolaborg SyncKolab 3.0.0 was released. It now also synchronizes your contacts and calenders from #Thunderbird with #Kolab 3 http://b ...Nov 19 11:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Nobel laureates slam the US over #BradleyManning case http://ur1.ca/b3cxj Can't be dismissed as just "anti-American"Nov 19 11:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The Legacy of Linus Torvalds: Linux, Git, and One Giant Flamethrower - http://bit.ly/UCgpod the 3rd #linus interview in a couple of weeks...Nov 19 11:52
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2119627Nov 19 11:55
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Ray #Kurzweil on the future of work: Lifelong learning and an #opensource economy http://ur1.ca/b3d9q interesting mention of Open SourceNov 19 11:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Prime Minister misses the point on judicial reviews - http://bit.ly/WoK3U3 intentionally, no doubt #democracyNov 19 11:57
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Chumby inventor, Huang. to keynote at #LCA http://ur1.ca/b3dcx #openhardwareNov 19 11:59
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Study on free, #opensource software in governance http://ur1.ca/b3dfw #indiaNov 19 12:00
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2119474Nov 19 12:02
schestowitz"Open Source is communism, isn't it?"Nov 19 12:02
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schestowitz"No, open source is freedom."Nov 19 12:02
schestowitz"this was sarcasm."Nov 19 12:02
schestowitzOpen Source is ANARCHISM!!!Nov 19 12:03
oiaohmhttp://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/11/samsung-tells-judge-we-need-to-see-apple-htc-settlement/Nov 19 12:03
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oiaohmI hope this wins.Nov 19 12:03
oiaohmSince it would make the case that you are allowed to see how a patent is licensed to other parties.Nov 19 12:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Ray Kurzweil on the future of work: Lifelong learning and an #opensource economy - http://bit.ly/TbjJtn (v @schestowitz)Nov 19 12:04
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] "Czas na wolność w edukacji" - @FWiOO poleca ;) bit.ly/UwiAcNNov 19 12:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] Finally managed to upload the slides for my "Wizards" talk at the OpenSuSE Conference in Prague: http://is.gd/SqiUS9 #why #faif #mattersNov 19 12:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tdforg/@tdforg] Welcome as newest member of our Advisory Board, @LanedoTweets! Proud to have you on board and work with you for the good of the community!Nov 19 12:09
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iophkhttp://www.slashgear.com/windows-phone-8-users-report-battery-problems-and-random-reboots-19257523/Nov 19 12:12
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schestowitzi got it in my fraftsNov 19 12:12
iophkTechnically it's not a "blue screen" since it reboots.  :PNov 19 12:13
MinceRso, same as winblows xp? :>Nov 19 12:15
iophkAnd Vista, Vista7, W95, W98 and all the others.  Nov 19 12:15
iophkJust a little lipstick on the pigNov 19 12:16
schestowitzyes, it changes formsNov 19 12:16
schestowitz!google smiley blue screen windowsNov 19 12:16
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cubezzzdon't forget, windows 7 == 6.2 :)Nov 19 12:16
cubezzzerNov 19 12:16
cubezzzwindows 8 ratherNov 19 12:16
schestowitzyesNov 19 12:16
schestowitz6.1 is vista 7Nov 19 12:16
MinceRi think they made winblows reboot on BSoD by default in xpNov 19 12:17
MinceR(and then it probably stuck around in vista*)Nov 19 12:17
cubezzzwindows 7 still BSOD'sNov 19 12:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 19/11/2012: Precise Puppy 5.4.1, Ubuntu/Canonical Loses Compiz Developer http://ur1.ca/b3e9e #techrightsNov 19 12:17
cubezzzI see it in my shopNov 19 12:17
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cubezzzsometimes I think they make it bad on purpose but that makes no sense :)Nov 19 12:18
cubezzzunless you consider the perpetual upgrade cycleNov 19 12:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] How to burn poppies responsibly: bit.ly/U80oZ2 !lol #ukNov 19 12:19
cubezzz"we fixed it this time for sure" etcNov 19 12:19
MinceRthey had to realize by then that they can't afford to make anything bad on purpose anymoreNov 19 12:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @rysiek How to burn poppies responsibly: bit.ly/U80oZ2 !lol #ukNov 19 12:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "At least two activists died in custody before or during China's Communist Party congress" http://ur1.ca/b3eloNov 19 12:24
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oiaohmcubezzz: is the resources required.Nov 19 12:24
oiaohmcubezzz: the resources required to make a perfect OS is huge.Nov 19 12:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Release An Unfairly Jailed War Hero - http://bit.ly/XViZMA if the facts are as stated here, this is absurd and unjustNov 19 12:25
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oiaohmcubezzz: Microsoft does not spend the ammount required.Nov 19 12:26
cubezzzoiaohm, I consider Microsoft mainly a marketing companyNov 19 12:26
oiaohmcubezzz: even most Linux distrobutionsare not spending near enough resources yet.Nov 19 12:26
cubezzzthat's where a lot of the $$$ goesNov 19 12:26
oiaohmThe testing to make a solid OS is massive.Nov 19 12:26
cubezzzoiaohm, I'm going to check out Inferno this week, should be interestingNov 19 12:26
iophkEven the marketing is outsourced.  It's much a shell Nov 19 12:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Sudden outbreak of common sense related to !copyfraud in Republican party? bit.ly/QSQsW2Nov 19 12:27
cubezzzyep, NT from VMS, MSDOS from C/PM (sort of), BASIC from dumpster diving, did I forget anything? :)Nov 19 12:28
schestowitziophk: just tried to watch a report on GuardianNov 19 12:28
MinceRcubezzz: keep us posted on inferno :)Nov 19 12:28
cubezzzoh and C compiler from LatticeNov 19 12:28
schestowitzIt forced me to watch 30 seconds Surface adNov 19 12:28
schestowitzForcedNov 19 12:29
iophkickNov 19 12:29
schestowitzI closed the tab, not interested in the video anymoreNov 19 12:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @glynmoody Release An Unfairly Jailed War Hero - http://bit.ly/XViZMA if the facts are as stated here, this is absurd and unjustNov 19 12:29
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cubezzzthey opened a microsoft store in Canada :-/Nov 19 12:29
MinceRthey have one in budapest too :/Nov 19 12:29
cubezzzall the employees were jumping up and down for some reasonNov 19 12:29
oiaohmcubezzz: really NT core is a good design.  Implementation has been ruined.Nov 19 12:29
schestowitzballmer jumps a lotNov 19 12:30
iophkIs that ad part of the 1.5 billion in marketing for Vista8?  Or is it from additional marketing money?Nov 19 12:30
MinceReven the design has been ruinedNov 19 12:30
MinceRcompared to vmsNov 19 12:30
oiaohmcubezzz:  Ie NT MS invested on one of the top OS designers then don't obey them is what they did.Nov 19 12:30
schestowitzit's nonfree, so why bother?Nov 19 12:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Biorę udział w programie "Link do Przyszłości" - zapraszam do zapraszania! bit.ly/QSQQ6XNov 19 12:30
MinceRwell, there's ReactOSNov 19 12:30
MinceRbut that is crap tooNov 19 12:30
iophknonfree *and* garbageNov 19 12:31
oiaohmschestowitz: Linux is based off non free Unix.Nov 19 12:31
cubezzzwait a secNov 19 12:31
oiaohmThere are things to learn from the way NT was design todo things.Nov 19 12:31
cubezzzUnix V7 _is_ freeNov 19 12:31
oiaohmNot how it was implemented.Nov 19 12:31
MinceRoiaohm: yes, an object lessonNov 19 12:31
cubezzzand Linux is similar to Unix but differentNov 19 12:31
oiaohmNT is really the first to include subsystem that is basically cgroup and zones.Nov 19 12:32
cubezzzyou want modern free Unix there's the 3 BSD'sNov 19 12:32
cubezzzso that's covered tooNov 19 12:32
oiaohmThen MS does a stack of alterations so subsystems cannot operating in isolation to each other.Nov 19 12:32
oiaohmSo ruining the complete design.Nov 19 12:32
oiaohmNT core design is quite nice for what it promises.Nov 19 12:33
oiaohmIts very sad to see what we get from such a good core.Nov 19 12:33
cubezzzalso there's FreeVMS...Nov 19 12:33
cubezzzGPL license evenNov 19 12:33
oiaohmFreeVMS lacks the subsystem idea.Nov 19 12:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Nobel Laureates Salute #BradleyManning http://ur1.ca/b3f50 http://ur1.ca/ay9t0 http://ur1.ca/b3f53 #obama doesn'tNov 19 12:34
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oiaohmNT should in theory have the means to perfectly isolate applications cubezzzNov 19 12:34
cubezzzoiaohm, so which OS do you think has the best design?Nov 19 12:34
oiaohmUp until MS shot it NT was the best for a OS starting out.Nov 19 12:35
oiaohmAfter that there is a OS from embeded I forget its name but its scaryly managed to pass every section of the old USA rainbow books.Nov 19 12:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Three #Nobel Peace Prize winners hail #BradleyManning. One Nobel Peace Prize winner, #obomba , is attacking him. Which winner is bogus?Nov 19 12:35
oiaohmLinux and Solaris come after that.Nov 19 12:36
cubezzzthere was that uncrashable OS, I forget what it was called nowNov 19 12:36
oiaohmHurd uncrashable turns out to be a curse.Nov 19 12:36
oiaohmFrom a secuirty point of view.Nov 19 12:36
oiaohmSometimes you want the OS to wake up its in a state that is insane and just stop.Nov 19 12:37
cubezzzthere should be a reset video option Nov 19 12:38
cubezzzI should be able to login from ssh or serial tty and reset it completelyNov 19 12:40
cubezzzbut I don't think we have that as yetNov 19 12:40
oiaohmseL4Nov 19 12:40
oiaohmThat is the one I was thinking of.Nov 19 12:40
oiaohmhttp://www.ertos.nicta.com.au/research/sel4/Nov 19 12:41
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cubezzzyup, I just found that :)Nov 19 12:41
oiaohmYes a seL4 will crash cubezzzNov 19 12:41
oiaohmIf it getting readings that it cannot make sense of.Nov 19 12:42
oiaohmBasically uncrashable is not safe to use in real world.Nov 19 12:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] I think you are limiting your view to COTS. Open source has already won in infrastructure, for example...Nov 19 12:42
cubezzzit's downable, I guess it's seL4 + Inferno then :)Nov 19 12:42
cubezzzoiaohm, why? Why is it not safe?Nov 19 12:42
oiaohmIts like saying making cells imortalNov 19 12:42
oiaohmMost people are not aware cancer cells are in most cases immortal.Nov 19 12:43
cubezzzhmm, the SeL4 kernel is binary only it seemsNov 19 12:43
oiaohmSince the cells don't die they keep on going developing more and more defects and doing more and more damage.Nov 19 12:44
oiaohmcubezzz: most of the high secuirty kernels are binary only.Nov 19 12:47
cubezzzI don't think I ever saw Plan 9 crashNov 19 12:47
oiaohmcubezzz: unless you have approval to access the source code.Nov 19 12:47
cubezzzbut I didn't run it for a long timeNov 19 12:47
MinceRsecurity by obscurity?Nov 19 12:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @JollaPL: Finalizing stuff for #slush12, see you there! /cc !n9 !n900 !maemo !meego and the silent @jollaNov 19 12:47
MinceRdidn't work for cryptography either.Nov 19 12:47
oiaohmMinceR: this case it works because these are insanely well audited.Nov 19 12:47
cubezzzbut crashiness can be caused by bad hardware, so it's always a possibilityNov 19 12:48
MinceRi'm sureNov 19 12:48
oiaohmMinceR: Its also not fully obscuirtyNov 19 12:48
MinceRGSM worked so well tooNov 19 12:48
MinceRand WEPNov 19 12:48
oiaohmMinceR: the core source code missing the audited state is released under a different L4 name.Nov 19 12:48
oiaohmie seL4 what is secret mostly is how it was audited.Nov 19 12:49
oiaohmAnd validated against complier bugs.Nov 19 12:49
MinceRthey don't trust their own methods, do they?Nov 19 12:49
cubezzzhave you run it oiaohm ?Nov 19 12:49
oiaohmcubezzz: Yes I have run seL4Nov 19 12:50
oiaohmI have also run its direct releation OKL4Nov 19 12:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Holding Back Standards Adoption in Europe http://ur1.ca/b3fwy #eu #ooxml #freiburg #germany #odf #libreoffice #odfNov 19 12:50
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oiaohmMinceR: seL4 and OKL4 are ammost identical.Nov 19 12:52
MinceRchrome and chromium are almost identical, tooNov 19 12:52
MinceRGSM and WEP were almost secure, tooNov 19 12:52
oiaohmMinceR: http://www.ok-labs.com/licenses  In fact you find NICTA releasing source code to it. who are the makers of seL4.Nov 19 12:53
TechrightsBot-trTitle: OKL4 Licenses : Open Kernel Labs .::. Size~: 33.59 KBNov 19 12:53
MinceRreleasing some of their code? how cute.Nov 19 12:53
oiaohmMinceR: the secuirty by obsecuirty in this case does work.Nov 19 12:53
oiaohmBecuase they have not hidden the code base.Nov 19 12:53
oiaohmMostly what they are hidding how its built and tested.Nov 19 12:54
oiaohmSo attacker has to guess.Nov 19 12:54
MinceRothers relying on "security" by obscurity think they've tested their stuff tooNov 19 12:54
oiaohmAnd the sample release is not the same as production.Nov 19 12:54
cubezzzno one runs it so it's secure :)Nov 19 12:54
MinceRhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerckhoffs%27s_principleNov 19 12:54
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oiaohmMinceR: If you have a license to use seL4 in production devices you get access to the testing methods and the source code.Nov 19 12:55
cubezzzsingularity seems to be dead nowNov 19 12:55
oiaohmBasically random third parties are not allowed to look basically MinceRNov 19 12:55
MinceRwhich is precisely the problemNov 19 12:56
oiaohmIf random third parties what to look the look at OKL4Nov 19 12:56
MinceRyou don't have a lot of eyes looking at it and trying to improve itNov 19 12:56
oiaohmRemember they have not 100 percent locked everyone out.Nov 19 12:56
oiaohmThis is not windows.Nov 19 12:56
MinceRalso, if a black hat wants to look for holes, all they need to do is buy a license or break into someone's infrastructure who has oneNov 19 12:56
MinceRyes, this is not windows, this is something very similar to windows.Nov 19 12:57
cubezzzhere's another one:Nov 19 12:57
cubezzzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phantom_OSNov 19 12:57
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oiaohmMinceR: anyone who has handled seL4 will tell you the idea of a break in is not as simple.  You are not allowed to have the core systems source code on anything internet connected.Nov 19 12:59
oiaohmThat includes the how its tested.Nov 19 12:59
oiaohmMinceR: black hat would basically have to buy a license somehow.Nov 19 13:00
MinceRand that's so difficultNov 19 13:00
MinceRsay, for the black hats of red chinaNov 19 13:00
oiaohmImpossibleNov 19 13:00
oiaohmEven USA black hatsNov 19 13:00
oiaohmAustralia export restrictions.Nov 19 13:00
cubezzzhuh, just noticed it's AustralianNov 19 13:01
cubezzzwell looks like it's PhantomOS or Inferno then :)Nov 19 13:01
oiaohmMinceR: USA mil is not allowed to buy a license to seL4Nov 19 13:01
MinceRi'm sure black hats can't get around such restrictionsNov 19 13:03
MinceRbut i'm sure it's a comforting illusionNov 19 13:04
oiaohmBlackhats have a simpler time trying to lciense OKL4Nov 19 13:04
cubezzzjust make your own CPU and your own OSNov 19 13:04
oiaohmThat one is allowed to be exported.Nov 19 13:05
cubezzzin a batcave :)Nov 19 13:05
MinceRor just use a free osNov 19 13:05
oiaohmseL4 does have a custom design CPU it can be running on.Nov 19 13:05
MinceRadding to the illusion, i'm sureNov 19 13:06
oiaohmWe know that nothing is 100 percent.Nov 19 13:06
oiaohmBut correctly used obsecuirty increases risk attacker will show themselves before they are successful.Nov 19 13:07
MinceRit also increases the risk of security holes they can exploitNov 19 13:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] 8 years after I last updated the front page of this site I finally got around to modernising it a little. It’s mo http://ur1.ca/b3gn1Nov 19 13:07
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MinceRand it also increases the risk that if someone finds a vulnerability, they'll use it for nefarious purposes instead of reporting it to the developers or developing a patch and distributing it.Nov 19 13:08
oiaohmMinceR: in the case that the source code is published under 1 name.Nov 19 13:08
oiaohmMinceR: and how the binary is built and audited is secert.Nov 19 13:08
MinceRnone of which works :>Nov 19 13:08
oiaohmThe chances of nafarious purposes is quite low.Nov 19 13:08
MinceRjust look how zomg-secure windows isNov 19 13:08
MinceRand look at the black market for vulnerabilities in crApple OSesNov 19 13:09
oiaohmThe cpu design to audit operations was designed for sel4.Nov 19 13:09
oiaohmApple and Windows use off the shelf cpus with off the shelf weaknesses in design.Nov 19 13:09
MinceRa custom cpu design isn't going to make a vulnerable OS unbreakableNov 19 13:10
oiaohmIt can reduce the vulnerable points in the OS quite a lot.Nov 19 13:11
MinceRwhich is far from enoughNov 19 13:11
oiaohmLets start with a basic design defect memory controller.Nov 19 13:11
MinceRprobably their best bet against attacks is that their platform is rarely usedNov 19 13:11
oiaohmcurrent x86 memory controls are about 6 to 8 years behind.Nov 19 13:12
oiaohmOn best design for a secure memory controller.Nov 19 13:12
MinceRit's not like a secure memory controller can only be designed in a security-by-obscurity wayNov 19 13:12
oiaohmBasically apple and windows are both really running on quicksand.Nov 19 13:12
MinceRyes, because they too rely on security by obscurityNov 19 13:13
MinceRand you can see how well it works out for themNov 19 13:13
oiaohmThe memory controller seL4 is like seL4 it self not secret.Nov 19 13:13
oiaohmIts the combination of parts that is secert.Nov 19 13:14
MinceRso it's "not secret", except it's secret.Nov 19 13:14
oiaohmMinceR: windows trys to keep everything as secect as able.Nov 19 13:15
cubezzzthey can keep it :)Nov 19 13:15
oiaohmseL4 lets its releations be independantently audited.Nov 19 13:15
oiaohmseL4 is really a combination of independantently audited assembed into what should be a very secure solution.Nov 19 13:16
oiaohmIf windows was designed the same.  You would have MS Windows the main product and some fork off to the side that is like 99 the same with exposed source code that anyone can look at.Nov 19 13:17
oiaohmThat 1 percent can make a very big different to how simple of a time an attacker has.Nov 19 13:17
MinceRi'm sure it says "very secure" on the brochureNov 19 13:18
MinceRand it makes some people feel warm and fuzzy about itNov 19 13:18
MinceRbut it doesn't seem to amount to muchNov 19 13:18
oiaohmIn fact on the brochure it says the core might be secure but if you run crap on top of it the secuirty is worthless.Nov 19 13:19
MinceRas far as i know, this approach has never proven to be good for securityNov 19 13:19
oiaohmseL4 approach has historically worked.Nov 19 13:19
MinceRfor example, every single "custom" cryptographic algorithm i've ever read about turned out to be a lot weaker than its developers thought it wasNov 19 13:20
oiaohmBecause its not 100 percent secret.Nov 19 13:20
MinceRand the least vulnerable OS-es also use the same approachNov 19 13:20
MinceRyeah, well, the code crApple and m$ ripped out of FreeBSD isn't 100 percent secret eitherNov 19 13:20
MinceRdidn't save their products from being full of holes.Nov 19 13:20
oiaohmseL4 is like a secure open source cryptographic algorithm with a secret key.Nov 19 13:20
MinceRno, it's not like thatNov 19 13:21
oiaohmMinceR: most of its code is open to inspection.Nov 19 13:21
oiaohmMinceR: In fact it is.Nov 19 13:21
MinceRit's like a closed source algorithm with a secret keyNov 19 13:21
oiaohmOKL4 and SEL4 are basically the same OS.Nov 19 13:21
MinceR"most" being open to _inspection_ is worthlessNov 19 13:21
MinceR"basically" is also worthlessNov 19 13:21
oiaohmThe complier is fairly much standard.Nov 19 13:21
MinceRif you can only inspect it, there's no assurance that the binaries are built from that codeNov 19 13:22
MinceRalso, even if you did find a flaw, you couldn't fix itNov 19 13:22
MinceRand even if you could, you wouldn't be able to share the fix with anyoneNov 19 13:22
MinceRand "basically the same" means there's some secret difference that can still be full of holes, as far as you know.Nov 19 13:22
oiaohmIf you are licensed to use seL4 in products you are also license to submit upstream patches and share patches with other licensed parties.Nov 19 13:22
oiaohmThis is not true for Windows.Nov 19 13:22
MinceRand that secret component is supposed to make the system secure, which is preposterous.Nov 19 13:23
MinceRyou're licensed to submit patches upstream, who are free to ignore all of it.Nov 19 13:23
MinceRwhich is yet another thing that keeps happening with nonfree systems.Nov 19 13:23
oiaohmIn fact no.Nov 19 13:23
oiaohmThe license parties can in fact do there own versions.Nov 19 13:24
oiaohmAs I said this is not windows MinceRNov 19 13:24
MinceRso, are they allowed to distribute those versions as free software and are they discouraged from doing so?Nov 19 13:24
oiaohmThe liciensing is way more librial.Nov 19 13:24
MinceRmaybe such a derivative could be secure and trustworthy enoughNov 19 13:25
oiaohmMinceR: if the alteration could be done to OKL4 they would be free to distribute that version.Nov 19 13:25
oiaohmTo anyone.Nov 19 13:25
MinceRif enough people caredNov 19 13:25
MinceRbut the above approach doesn't look like it would be inviting to anyone who cares.Nov 19 13:25
oiaohmSome of the forks to OKL4 have happened because of disputes.Nov 19 13:25
MinceRespecially if you consider what security holes _upstream_ might be hiding from _you_Nov 19 13:26
MinceRbecause they apparently like playing this wayNov 19 13:26
oiaohmMinceR: remember OEM/device makers with windows are not allowed to patch the windows source code.Nov 19 13:26
oiaohmseL4 is not ideal but its a hell lot better on licensing than Windows.Nov 19 13:26
MinceRthey do tend to put crapware on top, thoughNov 19 13:27
oiaohmAt least the licensed makers do have full source code access.Nov 19 13:27
MinceRyes, and all of them are a hell of a lot worse than GNU/Linux.Nov 19 13:27
MinceRor FreeBSD.Nov 19 13:27
oiaohmThe licensed makers do have full control over what software.Nov 19 13:27
MinceRor any other free UnixNov 19 13:27
MinceRwhy do the device owners/users not have full control over the software?Nov 19 13:28
oiaohmis includedNov 19 13:28
oiaohmWith windows MS declares what you must include MinceRNov 19 13:28
oiaohmseL4 is better than Windows without question.Nov 19 13:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] "Portugal publishes open standards catalog. ODF, PDF and several other standards are mandatory" - http://www.esop.pt/... http://b1t.it/crUZNov 19 13:29
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oiaohmOn its licensing.Nov 19 13:29
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cubezzzagreedNov 19 13:29
cubezzznone of us are going to say windows is better :)Nov 19 13:29
MinceRit isn't exactly difficult to be better than windowsNov 19 13:29
oiaohmOKL4 and Freebsd are about equally licensed.   MinceRNov 19 13:29
MinceRbut it's also easy to be better than windows just by a little bitNov 19 13:30
oiaohmThey do provide an option not to use there solution as well.Nov 19 13:30
MinceRoiaohm: afaik the FreeBSD developers don't keep secrets and don't make agreements behind the backs of their usersNov 19 13:30
oiaohmLOlNov 19 13:30
MinceRlet alone claim that such dealings would somehow make their products more secure.Nov 19 13:30
oiaohmHistory of FreeBSD has seen developers from Freebsd work on commerical unix solutions wth secrects and claim exactly that.Nov 19 13:31
MinceRwell, that's sadNov 19 13:31
MinceRstill, there are probably plenty of free unixes for which the above is trueNov 19 13:32
oiaohmThe thing is those FreeBSD developers would also try to hide it.Nov 19 13:32
oiaohmseL4 and OKL4 don't keep the releationship secret.Nov 19 13:32
oiaohmOKL4 is openly stated in the seL4 documentation.Nov 19 13:32
oiaohmMinceR: its the classic good with bad.Nov 19 13:33
Diablo-D3[08:26:05] <MinceR> especially if you consider what security holes _upstream_ might be hiding from _you_Nov 19 13:34
Diablo-D3ermNov 19 13:34
Diablo-D3Ive only glossed over the discussionNov 19 13:34
Diablo-D3but the nature of foss prevents the hiding of anythingNov 19 13:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] RT @NeelieKroesEU: @nwbrux @NeelieKroesEU @eu_eeas @AdrianaDvorsak - good point Nicholas, + also interesting to hear from Azeri people...Nov 19 13:35
oiaohmMinceR: I also missed something else about seL4 license.  Maker of devices has to be the company or mill using the devices with seL4.  This is really not like windows.Nov 19 13:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] RT @NeelieKroesEU: Another great set of web accessibilty projects http://t.co/YjSvSHuf finalist in #Vodafone awardsNov 19 13:35
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oiaohmMinceR: so if you are using seL4 you do have access to its source code.Nov 19 13:36
oiaohmMinceR: for anything more than expermental usage that is.Nov 19 13:36
oiaohmMinceR: the exact question is there any value giving source code access to any party who is not really using the OS.Nov 19 13:38
oiaohmMinceR: since they will not have a invested interested in the OS's secuirty.Nov 19 13:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] EU finally supports binding Treaty Visually Impaired: offical statement at WIPO - http://bit.ly/UaeQl8 yes, at last: now US is only hold-outNov 19 13:39
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #WHO Denies Industry Money Unduly Influencing Noncommunicable Disease Fight - http://bit.ly/TbrCA0 but no one believes themNov 19 13:42
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MinceRDiablo-D3: seL4 (or whatever it's called) isn't foss, that's the issue here :)Nov 19 13:44
Diablo-D3ahhNov 19 13:46
Diablo-D3burn it thenNov 19 13:46
oiaohmMinceR: the fact is seL4 is one of the horrible cases,  Where you have to ask the question who should see the source code.Nov 19 13:46
oiaohmMinceR: not like you will run weapon systems if you are sane on a stock standard public OS.Nov 19 13:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #re:publica – Early-Bird-Tickets in unter einer Stunde ausverkauft - http://bit.ly/UafBe2 clearly the place to be next May...Nov 19 13:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Europe to Push for Unitary Patent (Software Patents Loophole) at 7 PM CET Tonight http://ur1.ca/b3ih1 #swpats #fat #linux #androidNov 19 13:47
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MinceRoiaohm: i don't have to ask a question to which the answer is obvious.Nov 19 13:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] New Book Teaches Kids #OpenSource Programming - http://bit.ly/UOXeI9 great idea #education #hackingNov 19 13:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Here is why Cisco bought Meraki for $1.2 billion in cash - http://bit.ly/UQau54 pity they betrayed their #opensource roots early on...Nov 19 13:49
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oiaohmMinceR: sounds good.Nov 19 13:49
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oiaohmMinceR: think about the USA using Windows for weapons control.Nov 19 13:49
oiaohmMinceR: stock standard.Nov 19 13:49
MinceRyes, if you're sane then you'll want to run weapon systems on an os that might be full of holes that you can't find out or fix.Nov 19 13:49
MinceRoh, wait...Nov 19 13:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Now five Environment ministers want review of GM approvals - http://bit.ly/Wp7FYN momentum continues to build #seralini #monsantoNov 19 13:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] New Book Teaches Kids Open Source Programming http://ur1.ca/b3inv surprisingly easy high-level languageNov 19 13:52
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oiaohmMinceR: the the USA mill was complaining at one point about about not being able to get windows updates out to the fleet.Nov 19 13:53
MinceRthat's pretty horrible tooNov 19 13:53
MinceRwinblows updates could after all contain code that would make their weapons fire at whoever m$ wants dead :>Nov 19 13:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] This Trend Is Very Worrisome For Apple - http://read.bi/UCwpX9 two graphs that say it all #smartphonesNov 19 13:54
MinceRthen again, m$ probably already has considerable influence on the us armed forcesNov 19 13:54
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oiaohmMinceR: USA mil worked out with drone control breach windows was not exactly a good idea.Nov 19 13:55
cubezzzI don't think I want Windows Bomb Drone editionNov 19 13:56
MinceRi could have told them before they started using itNov 19 13:57
MinceRat least Windows Bomb Drone Edition is as likely to crash land near the launching site as it is to shoot whoever m$ wants dead. :>Nov 19 13:58
cubezzzwe hopeNov 19 14:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Brevet unitaire européen: un compromis veut écarter l'Union européenne - http://bit.ly/Xsky5I #opensource & European Parliament under attackNov 19 14:04
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oiaohmMinceR: recent time usa MIl is moving drone control and other nicely critical weapons system to Linux.Nov 19 14:08
oiaohmMinceR: yes anything could be better than what they were using.Nov 19 14:08
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iophkNot so much a history of actually correcting the mistakes, more like browbeating end users into accepting the mistakes as the new norm.Nov 19 14:29
iophkMore tracking : http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/16/facebook-ads-idUSL1E8MG00N20121116Nov 19 14:31
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/97969656Nov 19 14:34
TechrightsBot-tr@silner (silner)'s status on Monday, 19-Nov-12 14:26:53 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz They had a pretty good rep before they were taken over tooNov 19 14:34
schestowitz(skype)Nov 19 14:34
schestowitzWhen Skype was based in Europe it was subjected to different laws and not owned by criminalsNov 19 14:35
MinceRit was a botnet even thenNov 19 14:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #silner When Skype was based in Europe it was subjected to different laws and not owned by criminalsNov 19 14:35
MinceRnonfree, obfuscated code talking to random ports of random hosts using an obfuscated, encrypted, nonfree protocolNov 19 14:36
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/97969847Nov 19 14:43
TechrightsBot-tr@silner (silner)'s status on Monday, 19-Nov-12 14:38:36 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz I never realized Skype was based in the EUNov 19 14:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The Legacy of Linus Torvalds: Linux, Git, and One Giant Flamethrower http://ur1.ca/b3l42 #linuxNov 19 14:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fsf/@fsf] #ThankGNU to Colin Carr for his donation. See all ThankGNUs at: ur1.ca/7jmwi. Donate: ur1.ca/30f65 !gnu !fsf !lpNov 19 14:49
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2119474Nov 19 14:56
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schestowitzat it's best open source is organic and rapidly evolving in unexpected waysNov 19 14:56
schestowitzit can help us create new political philosophies if we let it, maybe someday one of them will work! :)Nov 19 14:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Forthcoming book on conservative & libertarian skepticism about our #copyright system - http://bit.ly/QThCvT v welcome trend (v @jeffjarvis)Nov 19 15:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] indeed, let's hope there's moreNov 19 15:49
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] RT @journosonline: Find out just what the impact of Twitter on journalism really is. Take a look at: http://t.co/9Hy0kAyZ via @10000Word ...Nov 19 16:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The Debate over #Copyright Reform Cannot Be Censored - http://bit.ly/ROBxsU retracting a document or two won't stop it...Nov 19 16:17
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iophkhttp://blog.jdpfu.com/2012/11/13/what-petraeus-did-wrong-no-encryptionNov 19 16:24
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Yet another completely ridiculous arrest What about the SS stormtrooper thugs who attacked the father's hospital ??? ... http://b1t.it/crZdNov 19 16:25
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iophkThunderbird needs modification to allow searching of PGP encrypted messages.  The index can be encrypted/decrypted with the same key pair as the messages.Nov 19 16:29
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Assassination studies: Preparing the public mind http://goo.gl/Fk4dM #jfkNov 19 17:39
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Russell Brand laughs off 'Fag Pimp' right wing religious row http://goo.gl/8CTErNov 19 17:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mattl/@mattl] !librefm is back folks. We're on a brand new postgres install -- thanks to Clint for his help getting things online.Nov 19 17:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] !Tzag Identizens @Thistleweb @Mbjunior @Ovigia @Marjoleink @Sandersch @Reality @Nybill @ZoowarNov 19 17:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Drugs during long term survival situations (Part I: Alcohol) | SHTF School http://goo.gl/Nme58 #preppersNov 19 17:57
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] British Bedroom Tax will penalise those on housing benefit with spare bedrooms until they move into non existent smaller social housing.Nov 19 17:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] This is a further example of this government legislating before engaging brain.Nov 19 18:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Security updates for Monday http://ur1.ca/b3ruuNov 19 18:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] take a look at this arsehole's repetitive begging tweets http://ur1.ca/b3rv7 THIS is why I can't stand marketing folksNov 19 18:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] I guess repeating the same shit day after day, copy & paste, is keyword marketting - I call it spamNov 19 18:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] #RaspberryPi Spawns Competitors > Comments http://goo.gl/U2071 #floss #gnulinuxNov 19 18:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] After denying records request, San Diego says there's "very little public benefit" in releasing drones info. Really? https://eff.org/r.5aqUNov 19 18:12
TechrightsBot-trTitle: San Diego County sheriff refuses to release drone documents  | Muckrock .::. Size~: 25.76 KBNov 19 18:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Future perfect? The JURI is out, and Europe waits ... - http://bit.ly/10gp8BG looks like the #unitarypatent trick is going through #swpatsNov 19 18:14
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Dutch Cold Case Murder Solved After 8000 People Gave Their DNA - http://bit.ly/Q5B33n 'cos murderer gave his #DNA #dohNov 19 18:15
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Dutch Cold Case Murder Solved After 8000 People Gave Their DNA - Slashdot .::. Size~: 277.87 KBNov 19 18:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Court Decisions - http://bit.ly/Q5B9rS fun and games in #kazakhstan...or maybe notNov 19 18:17
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Gmail In #Cherokee: Why Google Is Awesome - http://bit.ly/TbRifY wonderful news for the language: kudos #linguisticsNov 19 18:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Republicans said "let's fix #copyright," then retracted under pressure. RSC, your report was right on! https://eff.org/r.3aqVNov 19 18:24
TechrightsBot-trTitle: ReadWrite – Gmail In Cherokee: Why Google Is Awesome .::. Size~: 38 KBNov 19 18:24
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Influential GOP group releases, pulls shockingly sensible copyright memo | Ars Technica .::. Size~: 43.81 KBNov 19 18:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fsfe/@fsfe] press (DE) @bild "EU-Richtlinie stärkt Verbraucherrechte Handy-Modifikation bedroht Gewährleistung nicht" ur1.ca/b3tj6Nov 19 18:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @kevie: Homeless Dude Arrested for Charging His Phone in a Park http://ur1.ca/b3t5g seriously?!? #WTFNov 19 18:37
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Fractal weirdness #language def. A situation or thing so weird that even a small part of it is infinitely weird.Nov 19 18:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] On the draconian [Indian] cyber law http://ur1.ca/b3u2g ht... http://b1t.it/cr1SNov 19 18:45
TechrightsBot-trTitle: On NDTV: On the draconian cyber law  |  The Acorn .::. Size~: 54.53 KBNov 19 18:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @x11r5: @theru i am thick dumb and stupid. Can i request one to go shopping this eveningNov 19 18:47
schestowitz[16:29] <iophk> Thunderbird needs modification to allow searching of PGP encrypted messages.  The index can be encrypted/decrypted with the same key pair as the messages.Nov 19 18:48
schestowitzThunderbird is great, but B0ng ruined itNov 19 18:49
iophkB0ng is a symptom.  Someone sabotaged it.Nov 19 18:49
cubezzzwhat is B0ng?Nov 19 18:49
iophkNow it's being benignly neglectedNov 19 18:49
iophkB0ng is M$  attempt at having a search engineNov 19 18:49
iophkIt was injected into TbirdNov 19 18:50
cubezzzah I seeNov 19 18:50
iophkDDG would have been the sound choice if it were absolutely necessary to avoid Google.Nov 19 18:50
cubezzzoh well, I'm a mutt user, so I haven't looked at thunderbird in agesNov 19 18:50
iophkDoes mutt do imaps?Nov 19 18:50
cubezzzI think soNov 19 18:51
iophkhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/rep-ed-markey/50-years-after-rachel-car_b_1919597.htmlNov 19 18:52
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Rep. Ed Markey: 50 Years After Rachel Carson's Silent Spring .::. Size~: 361.78 KBNov 19 18:52
iophkIt'd be nice to know for sure if it does IMAPSNov 19 18:52
cubezzzhttp://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2006/09/27/using-imap-with-mutt/Nov 19 18:52
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Using IMAP with Mutt | Terminally Incoherent .::. Size~: 62.94 KBNov 19 18:52
iophkpine/alpine/re-alpine seem to be sidelinedNov 19 18:52
iophkI guess the plan is for everyone to use Facebook instead of e-mailNov 19 18:53
cubezzzI usually have multiple text terms plus a few X systems running so I've never bothered with IMAP using muttNov 19 18:54
iophkThanks.  That link answered it.Nov 19 18:55
MinceRthunderbird's been getting worse for a whileNov 19 18:59
MinceRopening messages in new tabs instead of new windows, unusable search functionNov 19 19:00
cubezzzI even use lynx and various other text based web clients when I canNov 19 19:00
cubezzzit's not always possibleNov 19 19:00
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2119986Nov 19 19:02
TechrightsBot-tr@linux@joindiaspora.com: The Legacy of Linus Torvalds: Linux, Git, and One Giant Flamethrower http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/11/linus-torvalds-isoc/ #linuxNov 19 19:02
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schestowitz"Nov 19 19:02
schestowitzsmart and stubborn he is :) he did not do the things he has, or get where he is, by agreeing with other peopleNov 19 19:02
schestowitzdon't expect he will start doing that any time soon :)Nov 19 19:02
schestowitz"Nov 19 19:02
schestowitz[19:00] <MinceR> opening messages in new tabs instead of new windows, unusable search functionNov 19 19:03
schestowitz+1Nov 19 19:03
schestowitzit was also weak on searvchNov 19 19:03
cubezzzsomeone will fork it thenNov 19 19:03
cubezzzif it's that badNov 19 19:03
MinceRi hope soNov 19 19:03
schestowitzbut withalt+shift+f IIRC you can do full body search by folder nd it's not too badNov 19 19:03
MinceRclaws refuses to send mail if it has more than one imap account configuredNov 19 19:03
schestowitzyou could install Google Desktop spyware for more advanced searchNov 19 19:03
MinceRschestowitz: does it filter the list then?Nov 19 19:04
schestowitzwhich list?Nov 19 19:04
schestowitzit gives a list of all esultsNov 19 19:04
MinceRthe list of messagesNov 19 19:04
schestowitzwhich you can sort by columnsNov 19 19:04
schestowitzyesNov 19 19:04
MinceRicNov 19 19:04
MinceRthanks for the tipNov 19 19:04
schestowitzthe search thing in TB crashed the whole aop for me in mutipl;e versionbsNov 19 19:04
schestowitzthe quick search bar thingNov 19 19:04
schestowitznot the advanced oneNov 19 19:04
schestowitzwhich is a gimmnick anywayNov 19 19:05
MinceRi liked the quick oneNov 19 19:06
MinceRback when it just filtered the message listNov 19 19:06
iophkhttp://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2012/11/19/world-bank-worries-earth-risks.htmlNov 19 19:06
TechrightsBot-trTitle: World Bank worries Earth risks ‘cataclysmic’ fallout from warming - Columbus - Business First .::. Size~: 88.58 KBNov 19 19:06
cubezzzhmmm, dillo is light and fastNov 19 19:12
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2119345Nov 19 19:13
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: ## [House Republicans release watershed copyright reform paper](http://boingboing.net/2012/11/17/house-republicans-release-wate.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+boingboing%2FiBag+%28Boing+Boing%29)  "Three Myths about Copyright Law and Where to Start to Fix it (PDF) is a position paper just released by House Republicans, advocating for a raft of eminently sensible reforms to cNov 19 19:13
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schestowitz"Losers, dont these people have any balls?"Nov 19 19:13
schestowitzcubezzz: for a moment I thought you said dildoNov 19 19:14
iophkdillo won't do httpsNov 19 19:15
MinceRdoes it do css and background images?Nov 19 19:15
schestowitzFacebook offering e-retailers sales tracking toolNov 19 19:15
schestowitz<br> Facebook will begin rolling out on Friday a new tool which will allow online retailers to track purchases by members of the social network who have viewed their ads.Nov 19 19:15
schestowitzThe tool is the latest of the new advertising features Facebook is offering to convince marketers that steering advertising dollars to the company will deliver a payoff.Nov 19 19:15
schestowitzhttp://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/16/facebook-ads-idUSL1E8MG00N20121116Nov 19 19:15
TechrightsBot-trTitle: EXCLUSIVE-Facebook offering e-retailers sales tracking tool | Reuters .::. Size~: 98.71 KBNov 19 19:15
schestowitzthanks [again] for the information, Dr. Roy SchestowitzNov 19 19:15
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2120033Nov 19 19:15
TechrightsBot-tr@el_olmo@pod.fulll.name: ### Facebook offering e-retailers sales tracking tool <br> *Facebook will begin rolling out on Friday a new tool which will allow online retailers to track purchases by members of the social network who have viewed their ads.* *The tool is the latest of the new advertising features Facebook is offering to convince marketers that steering advertising dollars to the company will deliver a payoff.* http://www.reuters.com/artNov 19 19:15
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schestowitzMinceR: it's not a bad browserNov 19 19:16
schestowitzfor DSL maybeNov 19 19:16
iophkMinceR: do you have a link handy with the css and background images to test on?Nov 19 19:16
MinceRi knowNov 19 19:16
MinceRit's just light on featuresNov 19 19:16
schestowitzbut for any modern PC it'\s uselessNov 19 19:16
MinceRiophk: not particularlyNov 19 19:16
MinceRwhen a site is particularly nasty i sometimes try it in links2 -gNov 19 19:16
iophkhttp://www.csszengarden.com/Nov 19 19:17
TechrightsBot-trTitle: css Zen Garden: The Beauty in CSS Design .::. Size~: 13.02 KBNov 19 19:17
MinceRiophk: actually, i can think of one for css: http://www.dilbert.com/Nov 19 19:17
TechrightsBot-trTitle: The official Dilbert website with Scott Adams' color comic strips, animation, mashups and more! .::. Size~: 25.51 KBNov 19 19:17
iophkNo, dillo won't renderNov 19 19:17
MinceRcss is used to hide the larger image :)Nov 19 19:17
iophkIn some ways lynx does a better job than dillo, lynx supports httpsNov 19 19:20
iophkVista 8 is not selling: http://techland.time.com/2012/11/19/windows-8-the-seven-roads-not-taken/Nov 19 19:25
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Windows 8: The Seven Roads Not Taken | TIME.com .::. Size~: 64.39 KBNov 19 19:25
MinceR"windows 8 is a long bet" -- translation: they expect to "sell" that crap by EoL-ing the previous versionsNov 19 19:26
MinceR(just like vista and vista7)Nov 19 19:26
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2119474Nov 19 19:29
TechrightsBot-tr@linux@joindiaspora.com: #Canaima 3.1 Screenshots http://chrishaney.com/?linux&release=Canaima%203.1 #gnu #linux for AmericansNov 19 19:29
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schestowitzat it's best open source is organic and rapidly evolving in unexpected waysNov 19 19:29
schestowitzit can help us create new political philosophies if we let it, maybe someday one of them will work! :)Nov 19 19:29
schestowitz"Nov 19 19:29
MinceR"Windows Phone is an excellent operating system" -- say what?Nov 19 19:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Watch this interview with @lessig from the upcoming documentary The Faithful. http://bit.ly/Q5JRWT #ccfilmNov 19 19:30
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MinceRTime calls this journalism?Nov 19 19:32
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schestowitz[19:30] <MinceR> "Windows Phone is an excellent operating system" -- say what?Nov 19 19:33
schestowitzI have a post about it comingNov 19 19:34
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cubezzzI never understood the mentality of the people lining up to buy win95Nov 19 19:37
MinceRneither did itNov 19 19:38
cubezzzto recap, in 1995 we had FreeBSD 2.0, Ultrix 4.5, and Redhat 1.0Nov 19 19:40
cubezzzand Slackware and Yggdrasil a bit before thatNov 19 19:41
MinceRthere was also a version of winblows that was less bloated and didn't try to prevent the user from using dos if he wantedNov 19 19:41
cubezzzUltrix 4.5 was the final release Nov 19 19:42
cubezzzI guess OS/2 was kicking around tooNov 19 19:43
cubezzzoh and Plan 9 :)Nov 19 19:44
MinceRyes, OS/2 was technically far superior at the timeNov 19 19:45
cubezzzstill closed source of courseNov 19 19:45
iophkOS/2 was apparently very good, too bad IBM relied on M$ for the applicationsNov 19 19:45
iophkM$ was also partly responsible for the development so the copyright is an issue and we won't see OS/2 released as Open Source even for fun.Nov 19 19:46
cubezzzah, plenty of other OSesNov 19 19:46
cubezzzIBM never opened VM/SP or it's successors eitherNov 19 19:47
cubezzznot a great track record for opening up their operating systems, IBMNov 19 19:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is schestowitz from identi.ca with 106 dents!Nov 19 20:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Usability expert slams Windows 8: 'disappointing' for 'both novice and power users' http://goo.gl/5ebYhNov 19 20:15
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Usability expert slams Windows 8: 'disappointing' for 'both novice and power users' | ZDNet .::. Size~: 77.38 KBNov 19 20:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Horrifying new Samsung ad uses the specter of puppy killings to sell you stuff http://goo.gl/tvypDNov 19 20:17
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Two FreeBSD Project Servers Hacked http://goo.gl/jUzQnNov 19 20:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] App Developer Hijacks Customer Twitter Accounts In An Attempt To Shame Pirates http://goo.gl/R878fNov 19 20:19
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Two FreeBSD Project Servers Hacked - Slashdot .::. Size~: 72.11 KBNov 19 20:19
TechrightsBot-trTitle: App Developer Hijacks Customer Twitter Accounts In An Attempt To Shame Pirates | Techdirt .::. Size~: 50.52 KBNov 19 20:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] World's most expensive #coffee tainted by 'horrific' civet abuse - http://bit.ly/10h4aTh we should have guessed this would happen...Nov 19 20:22
TechrightsBot-trTitle: World's most expensive coffee tainted by 'horrific' civet abuse | Environment | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 125.64 KBNov 19 20:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] App Developer Hijacks Customer Twitter Accounts In An Attempt To Shame Pirates - http://bit.ly/100tSMN strange how it always goes wrongNov 19 20:25
TechrightsBot-trTitle: App Developer Hijacks Customer Twitter Accounts In An Attempt To Shame Pirates | Techdirt .::. Size~: 50.8 KBNov 19 20:25
schestowitzanyone here familiar with joomla newsletter?Nov 19 20:28
iophknoNov 19 20:28
schestowitza large client in the aerospace industry is using it, they need some help, I can't figure it out, but Joomla SURE IS IMPRESSIVENov 19 20:28
schestowitzalthough intimidating, so many modules, more than php-nukeNov 19 20:29
schestowitzVersion 1.5.26Nov 19 20:30
schestowitzjNewsNov 19 20:30
cubezzzdoesn't anyone want motif help? :)Nov 19 20:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] [RT] Moody's Microblog Daily Digest 121118 - http://bit.ly/TM07s1 yesterday's tweets as a single Web page #MMDDNov 19 20:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Firefox for #Android Now Available for Millions More Phones - http://bit.ly/QTTHN8 will now run on #ARMv6 architectureNov 19 20:32
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Firefox for Android Now Available for Millions More Phones | The Mozilla Blog .::. Size~: 12.14 KBNov 19 20:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] JSTOR provides free access to Wikipedia editors via pilot program - http://bit.ly/TU9OXQ great; now could the other 7 billion of us have it?Nov 19 20:35
TechrightsBot-trTitle: JSTOR provides free access to Wikipedia editors via pilot program — Wikimedia blog .::. Size~: 18.04 KBNov 19 20:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] China may save faltering major desert solar power plan for Europe. http://ur1.ca/b3v2q !GreenNov 19 20:37
TechrightsBot-trTitle: BBC News - Solar storm as desert plan to power Europe falters .::. Size~: 81.05 KBNov 19 20:37
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/opendocument/statuses/270559815737163776Nov 19 20:38
TechrightsBot-tr@opendocument: RT @schestowitz: Holding Back Standards Adoption in Europe  http://t.co/wbPYnfbS #eu #ooxml #freiburg #germany #odf #libreoffice #odfNov 19 20:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Actual Age Of Earth Is 'One Of The Great Mysteries' - http://huff.to/S6BFpc no, this stupidity is "1 of the great mysteries" (v @normative)Nov 19 20:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Huge step forward for encrypting the web, as #Facebook announces they're moving all users to HTTPS by default: https://eff.org/r.a7qWNov 19 20:47
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Marco Rubio: Actual Age Of Earth Is 'One Of The Great Mysteries' .::. Size~: 351.24 KBNov 19 20:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] wow, this is fun: the #BBC won't let me access the bbc.com site 'cos I'm in UK - http://bit.ly/Q5SK2Q ironic much?Nov 19 20:50
TechrightsBot-trTitle: BBC - Future - Technology - Phone patents: An absurd battle .::. Size~: 53.26 KBNov 19 20:50
MinceRIBM mismanaged so many of their productsNov 19 20:52
schestowitz[20:50] [Notice] -TRIdentica to #techrights- [glynmoody/@glynmoody] wow, this is fun: the #BBC won't let me access the bbc.com site 'cos I'm in UK - http://bit.ly/Q5SK2Q ironic much?Nov 19 21:01
schestowitzsame for meNov 19 21:01
TechrightsBot-trTitle: BBC - Future - Technology - Phone patents: An absurd battle .::. Size~: 53.26 KBNov 19 21:01
schestowitzthis is so weirdNov 19 21:01
schestowitzeveryone links to itNov 19 21:01
schestowitzbut not from the UKNov 19 21:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Rep. Darrell Issa Wants To Make It Clear That You're Allowed To Rip Your DVDs - http://bit.ly/SZBYPZ ridiculous it needs a new bill...Nov 19 21:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Life of Pi Featurette: Richard Parker http://ur1.ca/b4088Nov 19 21:05
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Rep. Darrell Issa Wants To Make It Clear That You're Allowed To Rip Your DVDs | Techdirt .::. Size~: 39.47 KBNov 19 21:05
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Life of Pi Featurette: Richard Parker - YouTube .::. Size~: 176.54 KBNov 19 21:05
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/gibus/status/270633705138184193Nov 19 21:15
TechrightsBot-tr@gibus: @teirdes @glynmoody and this article is strange: criticizing the smartphone patents thermonuclear war but promoting a troll as solutionNov 19 21:15
schestowitz"@teirdes @glynmoody and this article is strange: criticizing the smartphone patents thermonuclear war but promoting a troll as solution "Nov 19 21:15
schestowitzBBCNov 19 21:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Creating a Tiger for ‘Life of Pi’ http://ur1.ca/b40sy... http://b1t.it/cr3HNov 19 21:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Turkish PM calls Israel a "Terrorist state". This is strong stuff as Turkey was until recently an ally of Israel.Nov 19 21:19
iophkProposes patent trolls as a solution : http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20121116-phone-patents-an-absurd-battle/2Nov 19 21:19
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iophkI am surprised that Intellectual Ventures was not promoted.  that's one of the biggest if not the biggestNov 19 21:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Activists’ #drone shot out of the sky for fourth time - http://bit.ly/URfQgj this will soon be too common to mention (v @drones)Nov 19 21:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] I think it is: this man is obviously a loon...Nov 19 21:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] I agree - but that's not what he meant...Nov 19 21:37
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Let’s Limit the Effect of Software Patents, Since We Can’t Eliminate Themhttp://www.wired.com/opinion/2012/11/rich... http://b1t.it/cr35Nov 19 21:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The Owners’ Rights Initiative - http://bit.ly/UPGiBn "We believe in the fundamental premise that if you bought it, you own it" #usNov 19 21:44
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schestowitzhttp://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/22a12ec0-3255-11e2-916a-00144feabdc0.htmlNov 19 21:44
schestowitzIntel is fuckedNov 19 21:44
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Intel chief Otellini to retire in May - FT.com .::. Size~: 45.59 KBNov 19 21:44
schestowitzAndroid is helping ARMNov 19 21:45
schestowitzand Vista 8 will deter buyers of x86Nov 19 21:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] maybe not, but you knew that was roughly how old it was, & that nobody *seriously* doubts it, because it's not a fairy tale...Nov 19 21:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] In case you missed the announcement on Friday, 500px is now CC-compatible. http://bit.ly/U4027BNov 19 21:52
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Word of the day poop-noddy #language.Nov 19 21:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Crivins 41 recorded, will be out laterNov 19 21:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mattl/@mattl] Got one of those Apple computers. I have absolutely no idea what to do with it.Nov 19 22:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mattl/@mattl] Nah, I just put in a drawer. I'll keep using my ThinkPad for now.Nov 19 22:07
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2119346Nov 19 22:10
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: ![](http://goo.gl/K5W5B) #Image #Picture #Science #BlackHole - Black holes defy the very laws of #physics and devour anything that gets in their way. These cosmic destroyers are objects of infinite density compacted into a very small space. - http://goo.gl/jK6Rq - http://goo.gl/GJ1nv http://goo.gl/K5W5BNov 19 22:10
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schestowitz"Yeah, sure. Of course it's just a theory, but pretty probable one ;) However, it's not that our normal laws cease to exist totally and only quantum mechanics applies. Both regular [classic physics] and quantum physics laws are not accurate to describe such singularities in a full way."Nov 19 22:10
schestowitz"frogs are disgusting. period."Nov 19 22:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mattl/@mattl] Add *.tynt.com/* to your adblocker. Stops pretty much all of those sites from doing it.Nov 19 22:10
schestowitz[21:20] <iophk> I am surprised that Intellectual Ventures was not promoted.  that's one of the biggest if not the biggestNov 19 22:11
schestowitzI can't access the articleNov 19 22:11
schestowitzbecause I'm in the UK anfd i's a British siteNov 19 22:11
schestowitzcan someone look in: http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20121116-phone-patents-an-absurd-battle/2 and pick out the bits about Intellectual Vultures?Nov 19 22:11
TechrightsBot-trTitle: BBC - Future - Technology - Phone patents: An absurd battle .::. Size~: 51.99 KBNov 19 22:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Can't imagine anything like this ever happening in India http://ur1.ca/b4484... http://b1t.it/cr4nNov 19 22:15
TechrightsBot-trTitle: ur1 Generator .::. Size~: 2.61 KBNov 19 22:15
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Nandan Vaidya - Google+ - Can't imagine anything like this ever happening in India… .::. Size~: 165.28 KBNov 19 22:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @kuro: Catholic anti-gay protesters violently attack pro-gay demonstrators (Washington Post) http://is.gd/E9kd1p #secularNov 19 22:51
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Topless activists clash with an anti-gay marriage protest in France - The Washington Post .::. Size~: 187.69 KBNov 19 22:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @DrMatthewAshton: This is a church effectively set up to allow a King to get a divorce and suddenly it's now all about the word of GodNov 19 22:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Europatent latest rumour: is it "bye-bye, infringement"? - http://bit.ly/101gvMk if true, this will be a disaster of epic proportions...Nov 19 23:04
TechrightsBot-trTitle: The IPKat .::. Size~: 105.4 KBNov 19 23:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] [new URL] Europatent latest rumour: is it "bye-bye, infringement"? - bit.ly/TcwuUs if true, will be a disaster of epic proportionsNov 19 23:09
schestowitzmehNov 19 23:13
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2119346Nov 19 23:15
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: ![](http://goo.gl/K5W5B) #Image #Picture #Science #BlackHole - Black holes defy the very laws of #physics and devour anything that gets in their way. These cosmic destroyers are objects of infinite density compacted into a very small space. - http://goo.gl/jK6Rq - http://goo.gl/GJ1nv http://goo.gl/K5W5BNov 19 23:15
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schestowitz"but the black hole is a singularity. our NORMAL laws cease to exist. we just dont KNOW what happens (and probably will never know?)."Nov 19 23:15
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schestowitz: https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2112686Nov 19 23:15
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Next #Fedora Release Will Be Named Schrodinger's Cat  http://www.muktware.com/4826/next-fedora-release-will-be-named-schrodingers-cat #gnu #linuxNov 19 23:15
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: Next Fedora Release Will Be Named Schrodinger's Cat | Muktware .::. Size~: 68.13 KBNov 19 23:15
schestowitz"Why don&#x27;t you like Fedora? Like I don&#x27;t like their association with Red Hat and Red Hat&#x27;s association with capitalism but otherwise Fedora is actually a pretty decent distro and I feel it makes a lot of sound technical decisions especially in comparison with the Ubuntu camp which is why I use it. Hell I&#x27;m even writing this from Beefy Miracle right now."Nov 19 23:15
MinceRgnNov 19 23:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] I admire your positivity...Nov 19 23:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @unseenstudio: #Crivins episode 41 is oot and a nooz packed show it wis an awe http://ur1.ca/b48i9Nov 19 23:34
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Episode 41 «  Crivins .::. Size~: 34.37 KBNov 19 23:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] RIAA Hammers Google With DMCA Takedowns In Six Strikes Prelude http://goo.gl/IY0i3Nov 19 23:45
TechrightsBot-trTitle: RIAA Hammers Google With DMCA Takedowns In Six Strikes Prelude | TorrentFreak .::. Size~: 28.16 KBNov 19 23:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Young Students Hiding Academic Talent To Avoid Bullying http://goo.gl/iPceWNov 19 23:47
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Young Students Hiding Academic Talent To Avoid Bullying - Slashdot .::. Size~: 191.94 KBNov 19 23:47

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