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schestowitzAndrew just fuck off and don't read or comment on my posts.Dec 13 10:24
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schestowitz> Hi, Swapnil,Dec 13 14:03
schestowitz> Dec 13 14:03
schestowitz> Thanks for the great articles and high level of activity at Muktware.Dec 13 14:03
schestowitz> Dec 13 14:03
schestowitz> One recent article[1] closed with a recommendation of Linux distros:Dec 13 14:03
schestowitz> Dec 13 14:03
schestowitz> "Linux has become extremely easy and you should try anyDec 13 14:03
schestowitz> user-friendly Linux-based operating system such asDec 13 14:03
schestowitz> Linux Mint or openSUSE."Dec 13 14:03
schestowitz> Dec 13 14:03
schestowitz> OpenSuse is not a good distro to recommend because of its ties toDec 13 14:03
schestowitz> Microsoft.  Novell, as you know, signed an unsavory deal with MicrosoftDec 13 14:03
schestowitz> [2] and has further connections via Microsoft's partner Attachmate.[3]Dec 13 14:03
schestowitz> Suse/OpenSuse had a good reputation in the old days back when it wasDec 13 14:03
schestowitz> German, but now it is simply a vector for poor-quality, MicrosoftDec 13 14:03
schestowitz> technology to be injected into GNU/Linux upon the unsuspecting.  AllDec 13 14:03
schestowitz> that happened years ago and nothing has changed to improve the situation.Dec 13 14:03
schestowitz> Dec 13 14:03
schestowitz> Recently, luminaries like RMS and Bruce Perens have made the point toDec 13 14:03
schestowitz> avoid other distros.  [4]  I'm not sure what that leaves.  Fedora?Dec 13 14:03
schestowitz> Mint, the Ubuntu-derivative which you mentioned was a good choice.  I'mDec 13 14:03
schestowitz> sure this will change and change again as the distros and their sponsorsDec 13 14:03
schestowitz> learn and adapt.  But for years, OpenSuse has been rather toxic and asDec 13 14:03
schestowitz> long as the Novell-Attachmate-Microsoft deals are in force, it willDec 13 14:03
schestowitz> remain toxic.Dec 13 14:03
schestowitz> Dec 13 14:03
schestowitz> Anyway, thanks again for the articles and I hope you can find a good,Dec 13 14:03
schestowitz> safer alternative to OpenSuse.Dec 13 14:03
schestowitz> Dec 13 14:03
schestowitz> [1]http://www.muktware.com/4968/internet-explorer-spies-users-through-mouseDec 13 14:03
TechrightsBotTitle: Internet Explorer Spies On Users Through Mouse | Muktware .::. Size~: 67.91 KBDec 13 14:03
schestowitz> Dec 13 14:03
schestowitz> [2]Dec 13 14:03
schestowitz> http://news.cnet.com/microsoft-makes-linux-pact-with-novell/2100-1016_3-6132119.htmlDec 13 14:03
TechrightsBotTitle: Microsoft makes Linux pact with Novell - CNET News .::. Size~: 71.35 KBDec 13 14:04
schestowitz> Dec 13 14:04
schestowitz> [3]Dec 13 14:04
schestowitz> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/whats-microsofts-role-in-the-novell-attachmate-deal/8041Dec 13 14:04
TechrightsBotTitle: What's Microsoft's role in the Novell-Attachmate deal? | ZDNet .::. Size~: 77.84 KBDec 13 14:04
schestowitz> Dec 13 14:04
schestowitz> [4]http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3301707&cid=42216447Dec 13 14:04
schestowitzSwapnil approached me some months ago because he had guilty consciousness over OpenSUSE promotion. I hope hearing it from more people will change his mind.Dec 13 14:04
TechrightsBotTitle: RMS Speaks Out Against Ubuntu - Slashdot .::. Size~: 79.69 KBDec 13 14:04
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2191698Dec 13 14:04
TechrightsBot@linux@joindiaspora.com: Who Needs Ubuntu? Steam for #Linux Running Under #Gentoo http://techgage.com/news/who-needs-ubuntu-steam-for-linux-running-under-gentoo/ moving #steam to freedom-respecting distrosDec 13 14:04
TechrightsBot-> Title: Who Needs Ubuntu? Steam for Linux Running Under Gentoo  –  Techgage .::. Size~: 18.31 KBDec 13 14:04
schestowitz"Yep, sounds quite promising! according to this we could soon have more-or-less-dirty handmade packages for a lot of distro"Dec 13 14:04
schestowitzAnd I doubt Valve will mind, as long as they only need to support Ubuntu users and maintain a package for this one flavour of Debian.Dec 13 14:05
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schestowitz> I think he's done for the day, but we had time to exchange a fewDec 13 18:39
schestowitz> messages.  I think the crux might be that he sees the Novell-M$ dealDec 13 18:39
schestowitz> as the past and for me it is the current state of things.  He also hasDec 13 18:39
schestowitz> some well-founded reservations with Canonical.  However, even if IDec 13 18:39
schestowitz> share them, the Novell problems are patent based and thus more pressing.Dec 13 18:39
schestowitz> Dec 13 18:39
schestowitz> Of note, there has not yet been a public response to RMS / FSFDec 13 18:39
schestowitz> concerns about Canonical's recent shenanigans.  Also, the mischiefDec 13 18:39
schestowitz> with grub not too long ago make me wonder if they are still fullyDec 13 18:39
schestowitz> onboard with software freedom thing.Dec 13 18:39
schestowitzThey had backtracked on that, as I covered. I think there's an inner struggle there; recall those whom Canonical hired from Microsoft, leading to Yahoo! search bar suggestions, .NET aops, removing GIMP, etc.Dec 13 18:39
schestowitzBacon withdrew some claims against RMS that blew up and made a PR disaster even worse. Ubuntu 13.04 will make Amazon sellout even worse, turning Ubuntu into a shopping cart OS.Dec 13 18:39
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