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roy_ 12 09:03 Was Hitler Really a Fan of Gun Control? dismantling pro-gun spinJan 12 09:03
TechrightsSocial-> Title: Was Hitler Really a Fan of Gun Control? | Mother Jones .::. Size~: 90.74 KBJan 12 09:03
roy_"Jan 12 09:04
roy_According to the article: "...gun permits were granted to citizens "of undoubted reliability" (in the law's words)"Jan 12 09:04
roy_Hmm...I wonder how any dictator would define this? And I'm trying to remember; did Hitler have any groups he specifically disliked?Jan 12 09:04
roy_To quote again: "In 1938, under Nazi rule, gun laws became significantly more relaxed. Rifle and shotgun possession were deregulated, and gun access for hunters, Nazi Party members, and government officials was expanded. The legal age to own a gun was lowered. Jews, however, were prohibited from owning firearms and other dangerous weapons."Jan 12 09:04
roy_Interesting that the Pro-Self-Defense 'Tyrant Defense' is invalid because Hitler made gun laws "significantly more relaxed." So, a dictator deregulates weapons that are good for hunting, but totally ineffective in challenging totalitarianism or the State (exactly why the Second Amendment "shall not be infringed" - not for hunting), but "expands" gun 'rights' to Nazi Party members and (Nazi) government officials. Ah, Hitler was Jan 12 09:04
roy_obviously pro-guns. Except, the article glosses right over the whole "Jews, however, were prohibited from owning firearms and other dangerous weapons."Jan 12 09:04
roy_I used to have a lot of respect for Mother Jones, but this is just totally ridiculous. The Second Amendment enshrines the natural right to self-defense, and recognized the natural tendency of power to consolidate. The Second Amendment is all about citizens being the national defense, or at least having the right to weapons at parity with what shouldn't even be a standing army. And, yes, I am talking about your local HOA or mayor Jan 12 09:04
roy_buying an stealth bomber, if the constituents so choose.Jan 12 09:04
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*roy_ is now known as schestowitzJan 12 09:04
schestowitz"Also, the huge majority of violence in America is directly attributable to the 'War on Drugs'. I'll say it again: 'Gun Violence' is actually almost entirely 'Prohibition Violence'."Jan 12 09:04
schestowitz"Jan 12 09:04
schestowitzHitler did not get all the guns. Using it only made things worse. Armed resistance by a minority only provides a pretext for eradication. The same lesson is learned again in Warsaw. 12 09:04
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schestowitzA little closer to home for the NRA could be what good small arms did the Confederacy in their failed war of independence and subsequent occupation.Jan 12 09:04
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schestowitz"Also, the huge majority of violence in America is directly attributable to the 'War on Drugs'.  I'll say it again:  'Gun Violence' is actually almost entirely 'Prohibition Violence'."Jan 12 09:11
qu1j0t3not really no.Jan 12 15:06
qu1j0t3if they had said, "Mexico", then yes.Jan 12 15:06
MinceR 12 15:49
TechrightsSocialTitle: Same-sex marriage 'will see return to Catholic persecution' | World news | .::. Size~: 123.86 KBJan 12 15:49
schestowitznot the main issue to focus on IMHOJan 12 15:55
schestowitzmyself and others think it's a distractor from important issuesJan 12 15:55
schestowitzNot to say it doesn't matterJan 12 15:55
schestowitzactually, those people have been effective as defanging religionsJan 12 15:56
MinceR 12 16:16
TechrightsSocialTitle: What if..? - Imgur .::. Size~: 25.71 KBJan 12 16:16
qu1j0t3schestowitz: must read 12 16:39
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qu1j0t3schestowitz: ughJan 12 16:39
qu1j0t3schestowitz: must read 12 16:39
TechrightsSocialTitle: Brian Browne Walker's answer to Zero Dark Thirty (2012 movie): Does Zero Dark Thirty promote torture? - Quora .::. Size~: 80.63 KBJan 12 16:39
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TechrightsSocialTitle: Don't Trust 'Zero Dark Thirty' - Peter Maass - The Atlantic .::. Size~: 110.53 KBJan 12 16:42
schestowitzMinceR: :-)Jan 12 17:48
schestowitzguns don't kill peopleJan 12 17:48
schestowitznails doJan 12 17:48
schestowitz 12 19:00 Was Hitler Really a Fan of Gun Control? dismantling pro-gun spinJan 12 19:00
TechrightsSocial-> Title: Was Hitler Really a Fan of Gun Control? | Mother Jones .::. Size~: 90.54 KBJan 12 19:00
schestowitz"Jan 12 19:04
schestowitzOf course use of arms by a self-anointed vanguard makes things worse; we're talking about equity of access to the means of self-defense as universal suffrage. The German Jews did not have a culture of self-defense, and were largely disarmed. They had had a culture of concession and appeasement with a threat that had no intention of giving them quarter. The Jewish pogroms could more easily be a case against that political Jan 12 19:04
schestowitzstrategy, than against militant self-defense. Or, it could be a combination of both - that they were too small a majority, underarmed, and certainly lacked the will to defend themselves.Jan 12 19:04
schestowitzHowever, a more appropriate analogy with across-the-board disarmament (the Confederate South not withstanding), would be the militant black uprising during Jim Crow. There, Blacks compose majorities in some areas.Jan 12 19:04
schestowitzRead Robert F. Williams' "Negroes with Guns" to get a full understanding of how the threat of armed insurrection of Blacks in the 1940's South (Robert Williams included) turned the tables against the Southern White establishment. Black Americans, facing racist pogroms (that included law enforcement), armed themselves in self-defense, and shook the White America to the core. It turns out, MLK Jr's 'successes' weren't successes Jan 12 19:04
schestowitzat all - they were a propaganda and a compromise offered by the Establishment to avoid real civil war based on a racial powder-keg. 'Civil Disobedience' didn't work in America (though neo-liberal historians offer that revisionism), and neither did passivity in Nazi Germany.Jan 12 19:04
schestowitzOf course, if you antagonize the State without the means to back it up they will eradicate you. They might even instigate it if it's a strategic advantage and you're not subservient enough. Which is exactly why equity of access to the means of self-defense is critical. You can't directly defend against drones and tanks, but those things are almost worthless in asymmetrical warfare against an resistant occupied population Jan 12 19:04
schestowitzanyway. The Jews either didn't have the population, the weapons at parity with the State, andor the will to defend themselves. The Black South did.Jan 12 19:04
schestowitzAnd once you realize there's almost one gun per citizen in the US, and that we don't even make it in the top 10 countries of violent deaths (gun-free England does), and that almost all American gun-violence is caused directly by Prohibition and the nonsense failed 'War on Drugs' (it, must like the 'War on Terrorism' is about stripping rights from their chattel), you realize there is absolutely no justification* for taking Jan 12 19:04
schestowitzaway the second means** of defense against democide - the greatest cause of unnatural death in the 21st century (even after war).Jan 12 19:04
schestowitznot even 'mass shootings' justify tyranny; you're more likely to be struck by lightning, despite the cynical hype and propaganda of the Banker/Fortune 100 Elite, and their irrelevant anachronistic mouthpiece Media.Jan 12 19:04
schestowitz** the first means of defense against tyranny being freedom of expression - which is defended by the right to self-defense; the right you don't need, until someone tries to take it from you.Jan 12 19:04
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MinceR 12 19:06
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schestowitzLMAOJan 12 19:23
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schestowitz 12 20:26 Why would #nokia decrypt traffic and do nothing with the data? To warm up the servers? Does. Not. Compute. 12 20:26
TechrightsSocial-> Title: Nokia: Yes, we decrypt HTTPS - but we don't spy - The H Security: News and Features .::. Size~: 53.5 KBJan 12 20:26
schestowitz"Jan 12 20:26
schestowitzIt is also crazy for them to say they can serve the whole world wide web to a distributed userbase faster than the world wide web can serve it. They might be able to reduce traffic by stripping advertisements but they should tell people they are using a proxy that can observe and modify traffic.Jan 12 20:26
schestowitzFat chance for honesty, Nokia is Microsoft now. Their software is non free and spyware even if they don't use a proxy. Opera deserves a black eye in this too.Jan 12 20:26
schestowitzFalkvinge has a conversation going where someone claimed this was some kind of honest mistake.Jan 12 20:26
schestowitz"Jan 12 20:26
schestowitz"Falkvinge conversation is here his article is here "Jan 12 20:26
TechrightsSocialTitle: Rick Falkvinge - Google+ - Update: That was fast - Nokia removes wiretapping of secureā€¦ .::. Size~: 190.83 KBJan 12 20:26
TechrightsSocialTitle: Death Twitches: Nokia Caught Wiretapping Encrypted Traffic From Its Handsets - Falkvinge on Infopolicy .::. Size~: 340.97 KBJan 12 20:26

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