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| *Topic for #boycottnovell-social set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Fri May 7 00:20:14 2010 | Jan 12 07:37 | |
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| roy_ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2269356 | Jan 12 09:03 |
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| TechrightsSocial | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Was Hitler Really a Fan of Gun Control? http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/01/hitler-stalin-gun-control dismantling pro-gun spin | Jan 12 09:03 |
| TechrightsSocial | -> Title: Was Hitler Really a Fan of Gun Control? | Mother Jones .::. Size~: 90.74 KB | Jan 12 09:03 |
| roy_ | " | Jan 12 09:04 |
| roy_ | According to the article: "...gun permits were granted to citizens "of undoubted reliability" (in the law's words)" | Jan 12 09:04 |
| roy_ | Hmm...I wonder how any dictator would define this? And I'm trying to remember; did Hitler have any groups he specifically disliked? | Jan 12 09:04 |
| roy_ | To quote again: "In 1938, under Nazi rule, gun laws became significantly more relaxed. Rifle and shotgun possession were deregulated, and gun access for hunters, Nazi Party members, and government officials was expanded. The legal age to own a gun was lowered. Jews, however, were prohibited from owning firearms and other dangerous weapons." | Jan 12 09:04 |
| roy_ | Interesting that the Pro-Self-Defense 'Tyrant Defense' is invalid because Hitler made gun laws "significantly more relaxed." So, a dictator deregulates weapons that are good for hunting, but totally ineffective in challenging totalitarianism or the State (exactly why the Second Amendment "shall not be infringed" - not for hunting), but "expands" gun 'rights' to Nazi Party members and (Nazi) government officials. Ah, Hitler was | Jan 12 09:04 |
| roy_ | obviously pro-guns. Except, the article glosses right over the whole "Jews, however, were prohibited from owning firearms and other dangerous weapons." | Jan 12 09:04 |
| roy_ | I used to have a lot of respect for Mother Jones, but this is just totally ridiculous. The Second Amendment enshrines the natural right to self-defense, and recognized the natural tendency of power to consolidate. The Second Amendment is all about citizens being the national defense, or at least having the right to weapons at parity with what shouldn't even be a standing army. And, yes, I am talking about your local HOA or mayor | Jan 12 09:04 |
| roy_ | buying an stealth bomber, if the constituents so choose. | Jan 12 09:04 |
| roy_ | " | Jan 12 09:04 |
| *roy_ is now known as schestowitz | Jan 12 09:04 | |
| schestowitz | "Also, the huge majority of violence in America is directly attributable to the 'War on Drugs'. I'll say it again: 'Gun Violence' is actually almost entirely 'Prohibition Violence'." | Jan 12 09:04 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 12 09:04 |
| schestowitz | Hitler did not get all the guns. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_vom_Rath Using it only made things worse. Armed resistance by a minority only provides a pretext for eradication. The same lesson is learned again in Warsaw. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Uprising | Jan 12 09:04 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Ernst vom Rath - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 35.74 KB | Jan 12 09:04 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Warsaw Uprising - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 407.96 KB | Jan 12 09:04 |
| schestowitz | A little closer to home for the NRA could be what good small arms did the Confederacy in their failed war of independence and subsequent occupation. | Jan 12 09:04 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 12 09:04 |
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| schestowitz | "Also, the huge majority of violence in America is directly attributable to the 'War on Drugs'. I'll say it again: 'Gun Violence' is actually almost entirely 'Prohibition Violence'." | Jan 12 09:11 |
| qu1j0t3 | not really no. | Jan 12 15:06 |
| qu1j0t3 | if they had said, "Mexico", then yes. | Jan 12 15:06 |
| MinceR | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jan/12/same-sex-marriage-return-catholic-persecution | Jan 12 15:49 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Same-sex marriage 'will see return to Catholic persecution' | World news | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 123.86 KB | Jan 12 15:49 |
| schestowitz | not the main issue to focus on IMHO | Jan 12 15:55 |
| schestowitz | myself and others think it's a distractor from important issues | Jan 12 15:55 |
| schestowitz | Not to say it doesn't matter | Jan 12 15:55 |
| schestowitz | actually, those people have been effective as defanging religions | Jan 12 15:56 |
| MinceR | http://imgur.com/WgWEb | Jan 12 16:16 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: What if..? - Imgur .::. Size~: 25.71 KB | Jan 12 16:16 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: must read https://d2o7bfz2il9cb7.cloudfront.net/main-qimg-020dd679881f139c89997187df9bdc04 | Jan 12 16:39 |
| TechrightsSocial | Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type | Jan 12 16:39 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: ugh | Jan 12 16:39 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: must read https://www.quora.com/Zero-Dark-Thirty-2012-movie/Does-Zero-Dark-Thirty-promote-torture/answer/Brian-Browne-Walker | Jan 12 16:39 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Brian Browne Walker's answer to Zero Dark Thirty (2012 movie): Does Zero Dark Thirty promote torture? - Quora .::. Size~: 80.63 KB | Jan 12 16:39 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/12/dont-trust-zero-dark-thirty/266253/ | Jan 12 16:42 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Don't Trust 'Zero Dark Thirty' - Peter Maass - The Atlantic .::. Size~: 110.53 KB | Jan 12 16:42 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: :-) | Jan 12 17:48 |
| schestowitz | guns don't kill people | Jan 12 17:48 |
| schestowitz | nails do | Jan 12 17:48 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2269356 | Jan 12 19:00 |
| TechrightsSocial | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Was Hitler Really a Fan of Gun Control? http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/01/hitler-stalin-gun-control dismantling pro-gun spin | Jan 12 19:00 |
| TechrightsSocial | -> Title: Was Hitler Really a Fan of Gun Control? | Mother Jones .::. Size~: 90.54 KB | Jan 12 19:00 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 12 19:04 |
| schestowitz | Of course use of arms by a self-anointed vanguard makes things worse; we're talking about equity of access to the means of self-defense as universal suffrage. The German Jews did not have a culture of self-defense, and were largely disarmed. They had had a culture of concession and appeasement with a threat that had no intention of giving them quarter. The Jewish pogroms could more easily be a case against that political | Jan 12 19:04 |
| schestowitz | strategy, than against militant self-defense. Or, it could be a combination of both - that they were too small a majority, underarmed, and certainly lacked the will to defend themselves. | Jan 12 19:04 |
| schestowitz | However, a more appropriate analogy with across-the-board disarmament (the Confederate South not withstanding), would be the militant black uprising during Jim Crow. There, Blacks compose majorities in some areas. | Jan 12 19:04 |
| schestowitz | Read Robert F. Williams' "Negroes with Guns" to get a full understanding of how the threat of armed insurrection of Blacks in the 1940's South (Robert Williams included) turned the tables against the Southern White establishment. Black Americans, facing racist pogroms (that included law enforcement), armed themselves in self-defense, and shook the White America to the core. It turns out, MLK Jr's 'successes' weren't successes | Jan 12 19:04 |
| schestowitz | at all - they were a propaganda and a compromise offered by the Establishment to avoid real civil war based on a racial powder-keg. 'Civil Disobedience' didn't work in America (though neo-liberal historians offer that revisionism), and neither did passivity in Nazi Germany. | Jan 12 19:04 |
| schestowitz | Of course, if you antagonize the State without the means to back it up they will eradicate you. They might even instigate it if it's a strategic advantage and you're not subservient enough. Which is exactly why equity of access to the means of self-defense is critical. You can't directly defend against drones and tanks, but those things are almost worthless in asymmetrical warfare against an resistant occupied population | Jan 12 19:04 |
| schestowitz | anyway. The Jews either didn't have the population, the weapons at parity with the State, andor the will to defend themselves. The Black South did. | Jan 12 19:04 |
| schestowitz | And once you realize there's almost one gun per citizen in the US, and that we don't even make it in the top 10 countries of violent deaths (gun-free England does), and that almost all American gun-violence is caused directly by Prohibition and the nonsense failed 'War on Drugs' (it, must like the 'War on Terrorism' is about stripping rights from their chattel), you realize there is absolutely no justification* for taking | Jan 12 19:04 |
| schestowitz | away the second means** of defense against democide - the greatest cause of unnatural death in the 21st century (even after war). | Jan 12 19:04 |
| schestowitz | not even 'mass shootings' justify tyranny; you're more likely to be struck by lightning, despite the cynical hype and propaganda of the Banker/Fortune 100 Elite, and their irrelevant anachronistic mouthpiece Media. | Jan 12 19:04 |
| schestowitz | ** the first means of defense against tyranny being freedom of expression - which is defended by the right to self-defense; the right you don't need, until someone tries to take it from you. | Jan 12 19:04 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 12 19:04 |
| MinceR | http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/5554894_700b.jpg | Jan 12 19:06 |
| TechrightsSocial | Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type | Jan 12 19:06 |
| schestowitz | LMAO | Jan 12 19:23 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2269261 | Jan 12 20:26 |
| TechrightsSocial | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Why would #nokia decrypt traffic and do nothing with the data? To warm up the servers? Does. Not. Compute. http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Nokia-Yes-we-decrypt-HTTPS-but-we-don-t-spy-1782169.html | Jan 12 20:26 |
| TechrightsSocial | -> Title: Nokia: Yes, we decrypt HTTPS - but we don't spy - The H Security: News and Features .::. Size~: 53.5 KB | Jan 12 20:26 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 12 20:26 |
| schestowitz | It is also crazy for them to say they can serve the whole world wide web to a distributed userbase faster than the world wide web can serve it. They might be able to reduce traffic by stripping advertisements but they should tell people they are using a proxy that can observe and modify traffic. | Jan 12 20:26 |
| schestowitz | Fat chance for honesty, Nokia is Microsoft now. Their software is non free and spyware even if they don't use a proxy. Opera deserves a black eye in this too. | Jan 12 20:26 |
| schestowitz | Falkvinge has a conversation going where someone claimed this was some kind of honest mistake. | Jan 12 20:26 |
| schestowitz | " | Jan 12 20:26 |
| schestowitz | "Falkvinge conversation is here https://plus.google.com/u/0/110980345342028402481/posts/hiUCUeu5Ttx his article is here http://falkvinge.net/2013/01/11/death-twitches-nokia-caught-wiretapping-encrypted-traffic-from-its-handsets/ " | Jan 12 20:26 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Rick Falkvinge - Google+ - Update: That was fast - Nokia removes wiretapping of secure… .::. Size~: 190.83 KB | Jan 12 20:26 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Death Twitches: Nokia Caught Wiretapping Encrypted Traffic From Its Handsets - Falkvinge on Infopolicy .::. Size~: 340.97 KB | Jan 12 20:26 |
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