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schestowitz"Feb 13 15:03
schestowitzAgain, what makes you an authority in maturity? but let's assume, for this conversation's sake, that it were school recess, playtime for us kids...Feb 13 15:03
schestowitzIt would certainly not be a tragedy to admit screwing up, if only the intent to mock were indeed there. However, it wasn't (again, unlike few of my posts openly & blatantly making fun of religions & the religious in general, which I also stand for, albeit on other grounds)Feb 13 15:04
schestowitzSomebody's sensors must've simply bugged (screwed up?) for whatever reason (got back from work upset, stress, or what have you) at that particular moment he fell upon this picture, and he got it wrong. I can understand this & accept that someone couldn't see humor in it.Feb 13 15:04
schestowitzHowever, I can't honestly admit to something that I know for certain to be wrong, especially as the only witness on the "scene of the crime"....Feb 13 15:04
schestowitzI took the time to "context" the genesis of this picture out of respect (yes, I've heard of that stuff) for Dr. Roy Schestowitz's stream.Feb 13 15:04
schestowitzI assumed this would be enough to clear any ambiguity any open person with good intention & will might encounter...Feb 13 15:04
schestowitzA free spirited mind can laugh about anything. Obviously, not in front of everyone...Feb 13 15:04
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schestowitzFirst, there is a difference between joke that hurt others and a joke that everyone laughs to. Can you spot the difference? It's a no-brainer to make fun of others. It's a really hard thing to tell a joke that don't offend anyone. Obviously, I am not the one to be offended here, because I am far from being religious in any sense. However, simple empathy and sensitivity makes me think if it's ok to make fun of others, instead of Feb 13 15:04
schestowitzlaughing WITH them?Feb 13 15:04
schestowitzSecondly, you can stick to that "what makes you a mature person" line of defense, but I think this conversation gives you the right answer right away. However, I do not consider myself as a moral authority, etc. I simply pointed out a problem. Would you do the same in a situation where group of people [with you as a member of that group] is beating crap out of other person? would you protest, or join them? Would you even have time Feb 13 15:04
schestowitzto consider yourself a "moral authority" at that point? no. You would just oppose that bad thing. But anyway, you're probobly right. We can't force or convince other people to be kind for others. We can only watch them abusing others. Sick, sad world.Feb 13 15:04
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schestowitzOnce again, there was absolutely no intent to hurt.Feb 13 15:04
schestowitzIf ever, for whatever reason, people got hurt by this very picture, they have indeed many issues way more urgent to address than my altering my behavior based on empathetical "ghosts",Feb 13 15:04
schestowitzWhat you're referring to isn't compassion, nor even empathy. It is plain splitting hairs - or, as the French say: "sodomizing flies".Feb 13 15:04
schestowitzBy the way, since this was posted on other networks as well, most of the up-votes this picture rallied incidentally came from catholics.Feb 13 15:04
schestowitzHistory has repeatedly shown that usually, agnostics & atheists get more harm from believers that the opposite (beside the short communist parenthesis). Physical harm, that no one can recover from...Feb 13 15:05
schestowitzSo, Catholics's pain - if any - is nothing to lose sleep over: they shall live through the "terrible ordeal" of getting the impression that their faith might get slightly scratched on occasion...Feb 13 15:05
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schestowitz> Hi, Roy,Feb 13 16:32
schestowitz> Feb 13 16:32
schestowitz> Here you mention Novell staff:Feb 13 16:32
schestowitz> Feb 13 16:32
schestowitz> http://techrights.org/2013/02/12/helping-uefi/Feb 13 16:32
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schestowitz> Feb 13 16:32
schestowitz> IIRC, there were more than a few Novell staff members that wereFeb 13 16:32
schestowitz> intentionally brought into the Document Foundation to work onFeb 13 16:32
schestowitz> LibreOffice, notably Behrens and Meeks.Feb 13 16:32
schestowitz> Feb 13 16:32
schestowitz> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Document_FoundationFeb 13 16:32
TechrightsBotTitle: The Document Foundation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 77.53 KBFeb 13 16:32
schestowitz> Feb 13 16:32
schestowitz> What their influence is I do not know, but they are there.  I haveFeb 13 16:32
schestowitz> even seen joint announcements with Michael Meeks and Charles Schulz.Feb 13 16:32
schestowitz> But it's not anything I've followed.  The inclusion of Novell staff isFeb 13 16:32
schestowitz> not something I agreed with.Feb 13 16:33
schestowitzCharles Schulz had briefed me almost a month before LO and TDF were announced. He said Novell would not have too much influence, but Kohei and others were prominent in the IRC channel (as ops, IIRC), so it seems like an extended family of Go-OO. Oracle had f***ed OOo up, so I reckoned it might be better to give LO a change than to do nothing. And IBM has been turning Apache OOo into just a dumping ground of Symphony (Lotus, Feb 13 16:33
schestowitzproprietary) code. I'm not so happy with LO, but I do use it when running contemporary distros; I think that to antagonise this project like we did Go-OO would be counter-productive when OOo is weak, and was quite weak by the time LO was announced, Aug. 2010 IIRC (I was on vacation at the time). Off the record I still get some insights from Charles Schulz.Feb 13 16:33

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