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schestowitzhttp://i.imgur.com/hWdDQ.jpgFeb 02 00:27
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qu1j0t3XFaCE: https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/297507777771884544Feb 02 00:55
TechrightsSocial@qu1j0t3: I endorsed #NDP's Civility Project to stop childish behaviour in House of Commons: http://t.co/TFnbogIQ #ndp #cdnpoli #civproj #STOPHARPERFeb 02 00:55
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schestowitzlolFeb 02 01:39
schestowitznice picFeb 02 01:39
schestowitzhttps://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7001040640/h4052B43D/Feb 02 02:22
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qu1j0t3this study doesn't seem very useful. http://www.zdnet.com/java-open-source-frameworks-are-a-business-risk-study-7000010617/Feb 02 02:24
TechrightsSocialTitle: Java open-source frameworks are a business risk: Study | ZDNet .::. Size~: 76.86 KBFeb 02 02:24
schestowitz[23:59] <schestowitz> http://www.castsoftware.com/discover-cast/management-teamFeb 02 08:28
schestowitz[23:59] <schestowitz> " Prior to CAST, he was responsible for business development for the FAST Enterprise Search Platform, acquired by Microsoft. Prior to that, Fred was in charge of new business development and customer care at Autodesk."Feb 02 08:28
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schestowitz[23:59] <TechrightsBot-tr> Title: Management Team - CAST .::. Size~: 65.67 KBFeb 02 08:28
schestowitz[00:00] <schestowitz> http://www.zdnet.com/java-open-source-frameworks-are-a-business-risk-study-7000010617/ http://www.castsoftware.com/partnersFeb 02 08:28
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schestowitz[00:00] <TechrightsBot-tr> Title: Java open-source frameworks are a business risk: Study | ZDNet .::. Size~: 76.54 KBFeb 02 08:28
TechrightsSocialTitle: Working Together for the Success of our Customers - CAST .::. Size~: 54.29 KBFeb 02 08:28
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2333912Feb 02 08:29
TechrightsSocial@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: ![facebook](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-lh6O8GbHUKI/UQwtnjTU1BI/AAAAAAAAA7U/Ucp9-YYHo5k/s1600/deleting+facebook.jpg) #humor #facebook #grumpycatFeb 02 08:29
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schestowitz"I deleted my Facebook, and i'm not grumpy . . . ok, i'm liying."Feb 02 08:29
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2333912Feb 02 08:30
TechrightsSocial@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: ![facebook](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-lh6O8GbHUKI/UQwtnjTU1BI/AAAAAAAAA7U/Ucp9-YYHo5k/s1600/deleting+facebook.jpg) #humor #facebook #grumpycatFeb 02 08:30
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schestowitz"People using FB instead of actual communications networks make me grumpy."Feb 02 08:30
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2333819Feb 02 08:30
TechrightsSocial@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: xkcd 1168: tar       ![Image/photo](http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/tar.png)         http://xkcd.com/1168/       //       > I don't know what's worse--the fact that after 15 years of using tar I still can't keep the flags straight, or that after 15 years of technological advancement I'm still mucking with tar flags that were 15 years old when I started.Feb 02 08:30
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schestowitz"cvf and xvf, did I go boom? Can I cheat by using find for my file list?"Feb 02 08:30
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schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=revylRAYrzc&NR=1Feb 02 14:10
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schestowitzhttp://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/02/01/israeli-warplanes-fly-over-lebanon-as-syrian-army-chief-warning-heightens/Feb 02 15:47
TechrightsSocialTitle: Israeli warplanes fly over Lebanon as Syrian army chief 's warning heightens tensions | Fox News .::. Size~: 41.27 KBFeb 02 15:47
schestowitzentering war againFeb 02 15:47
schestowitzqu1j0t3:" As the Toronto Star looks to untangle" http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2013/02/02/when_the_drones_come_home.htmlFeb 02 15:59
TechrightsSocialTitle: When the drones come home | Toronto Star .::. Size~: 75.62 KBFeb 02 15:59
qu1j0t3schestowitz: yes the Star has done good workFeb 02 16:43
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2334765Feb 02 18:13
TechrightsSocial@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Why I’m Leaving Ubuntu for Debian https://micahflee.com/2013/01/why-im-leaving-ubuntu-for-debian/ #ubuntu #canonilca #debian #gnu #linux #freedomFeb 02 18:13
TechrightsSocial-> Title: Why I’m Leaving Ubuntu for Debian | Micah Lee .::. Size~: 87.02 KBFeb 02 18:13
schestowitz"I left Ubuntu for Debian, then I left Debian for Chakra. Now I can't choose between Chakra & Manjaro. Manjaro is great, but Chandra has fresher packages."Feb 02 18:13
schestowitz"why I left Debian for mint and later sabayon..2 words..."sudo Dolphin""Feb 02 18:14
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2334766Feb 02 18:15
TechrightsSocial@linux@joindiaspora.com: Why I’m Leaving Ubuntu for Debian https://micahflee.com/2013/01/why-im-leaving-ubuntu-for-debian/Feb 02 18:15
TechrightsSocial-> Title: Why I’m Leaving Ubuntu for Debian | Micah Lee .::. Size~: 87.02 KBFeb 02 18:15
schestowitz"Feb 02 18:16
schestowitz"After watching Canonical’s announcement about the Ubuntu phone, I think I understand why. Ubuntu is pulling an Apple. They want to merge the desktop, tablet, and phone, and they want them all to have a familiar and user friendly interface. Only, sadly, Ubuntu’s interface includes sending your search terms to an undefined list of companies, every time, without the option to opt-in. Privacy is clearly not on the top of Feb 02 18:16
schestowitztheir priority list. I was looking forward to the prospect of truly open phone, but I can’t trust Ubuntu to protect my privacy anymore. Now my hopes lie in Firefox OS."Feb 02 18:16
schestowitzGood joke, as if a web-based OS of Mozilla would protect your privacy more. After all that means Javascript is running uncontrolled for all Apps in your environment all the time (not even to talk about which of these scripts are actually FOSS). Also all these OS'es have to generate revenue to be attractive, if you want to change that you cannot blame Canonical for not setting all the world free.Feb 02 18:16
schestowitz"Debian is still a bit rough around the edges compared to Ubuntu. My laptop requires a proprietary wifi driver that wasn’t present in the netinst cd, but I got it working without too much trouble anyway. I’m running Iceweasel 10.0.12, but Firefox is at 18.0.1 now and I have to do some work to get the latest version. I’m sure I’ll run into other issues too, issues that don’t exist when you use Ubuntu."Feb 02 18:16
schestowitzExactly and while being in release cycle you won't even get upgrades in testing or sid, which means that in some cases you have to wait years to get packages for some software, which then makes you maintain your own stack in many cases. This is a structural problem of the long Debian release cycles.Feb 02 18:16
schestowitzWhat I don't get is that people don't simply use a different blend of Ubuntu (if you actually like Gnome better than Unity, why not chose https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ReleaseNotes/12.10). All other blends are not in control of Canoncial and most come without Unity and all the complained about semi-proprietary features. After all it is nice if you can switch to Debian, but what do you install with people you cannot help Feb 02 18:16
schestowitzwith setting it up and maintaining it? Leave them with Windows? Or Apple? After all the complaints are not about Ubuntu not being FOSS, but rather the leakage of privacy. Having a straightforward up-to-date Debian stable with a clean upgrade-path would be nice, but Ubuntu is atm. exactly filling this gap.Feb 02 18:16
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TechrightsSocialTitle: UbuntuGNOME/ReleaseNotes/12.10). - Ubuntu Wiki .::. Size~: 281.29 KBFeb 02 18:17
schestowitz[17:38] [Notice] -TRIdentica to #techrights- [evan/@evan] Says @eximious, "People in the US work longer hours for less money. They don't have time for Free Software contributions." #agpl #fosdemFeb 02 18:28
schestowitz[17:32] [Notice] -TRIdentica to #techrights- [evan/@evan] Says @cwebber, "I am an employee of the Internet" #mediagoblin #agpl #fosdemFeb 02 18:29
MinceRoh, those poor usian peopleFeb 02 18:29
schestowitzvery poorFeb 02 18:34
schestowitzbut the observation is quite likely correctFeb 02 18:34
schestowitzmore capital, fewerr hands getting itFeb 02 18:34
schestowitzinnovation raised productivityFeb 02 18:34
schestowitzbut people not rewaded for itFeb 02 18:34
schestowitzand life is reated as of laFeb 02 18:34
schestowitzow valueFeb 02 18:34
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