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| TechrightsSocial | @PRI: RT @ArunRath WH believes killing US citizen with #drone requires less legal oversight than a wiretap http://t.co/k6K75l0i | Feb 06 01:34 |
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| schestowitz | I like how he put it | Feb 06 10:00 |
| schestowitz | I wrote dozens of tweets about this news 7yesterday | Feb 06 10:00 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2340551 | Feb 06 10:28 |
| TechrightsSocial | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: #Atheist #SuperBowl Commercial Thoughts? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGcPjAH2iHQ | Feb 06 10:28 |
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| schestowitz | " | Feb 06 10:29 |
| schestowitz | @Church. THere is no strawman argument here. As I said I have no problem with atheism where the atheists admit that their claim that there is "no god" is not absolute and has not been proven by science. So long as you accept that the claim"there is no god" is in the end based upon faith, I have no problem with your atheism. | Feb 06 10:29 |
| schestowitz | I am arguing against a particular brand of fundamentalist atheism not against all atheists or atheism. | Feb 06 10:29 |
| schestowitz | @Shannon, again I do not dispute the entirely reasonable contention that the existence of a god has not been proven to your or any atheist satisfaction. If thats your argument I have no problem with it. | Feb 06 10:29 |
| schestowitz | However its important to state that when an atheist (some atheists?) makes the claim that god does not exist they are making a positive claim about the world. It may masquerade as a negative claim but it really is a claim about what is. The reason I say this is because absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. | Feb 06 10:29 |
| schestowitz | I accept fully that you can as a working hypothesis say some thing does not exist because the threshold of proof required to prove its existence to you has not been met. But you should recognize that that is simply as working hypothesis not a statement about the actual nature of reality. | Feb 06 10:29 |
| schestowitz | To go back to the legal metaphor, saying that it has not been proven beyond a reasonable doubt the some one committed a crime, is not to say they did not commit the crime. It is not a statement about reality, it is a statement about our standard of proof. | Feb 06 10:29 |
| schestowitz | It is this last point that I find confuses most atheists I ran into here on D* as well as in really life. They are in effect saying that the existence of god has not been proven to them beyond a reasonable doubt (or whatever their standard of proof is) therefore god does not exist. | Feb 06 10:29 |
| schestowitz | It is precisely that last contention that I constantly argue against here on D* (and elsewhere). | Feb 06 10:29 |
| schestowitz | Which finally brings me to the question of proof. Reality is in the final analysis subjective. As Einstein demonstrated with general relativity even time itself is subjective. Therefore all objective proofs are subjective proofs in the final analysis. | Feb 06 10:29 |
| schestowitz | So your claim that god does not exist because of a lack of "objective proof" must necessarily fail against my claim that god exists on the basis of subjective proof. | Feb 06 10:29 |
| schestowitz | In other words, not all phenomena are capable of objective proof, but all phenomena are capable of subjective proof. God may simply be in the category of phenomena that can only be accessed by the route of subjective experience and proof. | Feb 06 10:29 |
| schestowitz | @Scotty. I don't know and I don't care. I choose to believe not. But I at least recognise that in the final analysis I can make no absolute claims one way or another. But your question conceals a certain duplicity that is commonly employed many atheists in their attack on religion. The caricaturization (if the word exists) of religious belief . They then attack that caricature and because of the sheer ridiculousness of the | Feb 06 10:29 |
| schestowitz | caricature, claim victory. | Feb 06 10:29 |
| schestowitz | In the final analysis what is in dispute is the core belief not the guise that it takes on here and there. That is why I never dispute with atheists on specific religious questions, because atheism is really a claim against god not religion. To establish the validity of the claim we must isolate/purify god separate from all unnecesary guises. | Feb 06 10:29 |
| schestowitz | After all a particular conception of god could be wrong but that does not mean that all conceptions of god are wrong. The tooth fairy may not exist as defined, but that does not mean that beings essentially similar may not exist. | Feb 06 10:29 |
| schestowitz | I accept all possibilities since I cannot know otherwise. To me that is in fact the ultimate lesson of our most advanced science. That nothing is as it seems and and everything exists in a field of endless possibilities. | Feb 06 10:29 |
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| schestowitz | As I said I have no problem with atheism where the atheists admit that their claim that there is "no god" is not absolute and has not been proven by science. | Feb 06 10:29 |
| schestowitz | Nobody's claiming that. I actually call out atheists who claim that. You saying that they do is a straw man. | Feb 06 10:29 |
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| schestowitz | Let me put it this way... | Feb 06 10:30 |
| schestowitz | Would you say it's reasonable to say that Santa Claus doesn't exist? | Feb 06 10:30 |
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| schestowitz | Which finally brings me to the question of proof. Reality is in the final analysis subjective. As Einstein demonstrated with general relativity even time itself is subjective. Therefore all objective proofs are subjective proofs in the final analysis. | Feb 06 10:30 |
| schestowitz | Einstein proved the exact opposite. He proved that time is an objective feature of the universe with what were unknown properties. | Feb 06 10:30 |
| schestowitz | So your claim that god does not exist because of a lack of "objective proof" must necessarily fail against my claim that god exists on the basis of subjective proof. | Feb 06 10:30 |
| schestowitz | Evidence. Oh wait, you've just admitted to having none. You exclusively use methods which are unreliable. | Feb 06 10:30 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2340551 | Feb 06 11:29 |
| TechrightsSocial | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: #Atheist #SuperBowl Commercial Thoughts? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGcPjAH2iHQ | Feb 06 11:30 |
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| schestowitz | " | Feb 06 11:30 |
| schestowitz | Better link about time. | Feb 06 11:30 |
| schestowitz | In the postmodern world, many believe that Einstein's Theory of Relativity says that "everything is relative" and it has been taken (along with some elements of quantum theory) to mean that there is no objective truth. In some sense this couldn't be further from the truth. | Feb 06 11:30 |
| schestowitz | While it does talk about how space and time change depending upon the relative motion of two observers, Einstein viewed his own theory as talking in very absolute terms - time and space are completely real quantities, and his equations give you the necessary tools to determine the values of those quantities no matter how you are moving. | Feb 06 11:30 |
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| schestowitz | http://physics.about.com/od/physicsmyths/tp/physicsmyths.htm | Feb 06 11:30 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: https://joindiaspora.com/stream | Feb 06 11:32 |
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| MinceR | :) | Feb 06 12:11 |
| MinceR | that cat has human legs. the horror! | Feb 06 12:11 |
| schestowitz | yeah, I noticed... | Feb 06 12:25 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2343118 | Feb 06 13:16 |
| schestowitz | "They have rules?! Methinks they're just a deliberately leaked PR stunt." | Feb 06 13:16 |
| TechrightsSocial | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Someone Just Leaked Obama's Rules for Assassinating American Citizens http://reason.com/blog/2013/02/04/someone-just-leaked-obamas-rules-for-ass #obush #ndaa #drones | Feb 06 13:16 |
| TechrightsSocial | -> Title: Someone Just Leaked Obama's Rules for Assassinating American Citizens - Hit & Run : Reason.com .::. Size~: 158.91 KB | Feb 06 13:16 |
| TechrightsSocial | "They have rules?! Methinks they're just a deliberately leaked PR stunt." | Feb 06 13:16 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2346038 | Feb 06 13:16 |
| TechrightsSocial | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: If you are using WIndows or Mac OSuX, you may already be sharing your PC. And it's a fact that #nsa was involved in coding them both. | Feb 06 13:17 |
| schestowitz | "nsa helped or did selinux, no? Then again code is open source so there shouldnt be an issue" | Feb 06 13:17 |
| qu1j0t3 | https://twitter.com/TUSK81/status/298879412789731328 | Feb 06 13:45 |
| TechrightsSocial | @TUSK81: That awkward moment when the country we went to war with in order to be free beats us to marriage equality. | Feb 06 13:45 |
| MinceR | :> | Feb 06 13:50 |
| schestowitz | > Thanks for the Democracy Now link. The scouts have been under attack | Feb 06 13:58 |
| schestowitz | > by the gays for a long time. MBAs did a lot of damage too, especially | Feb 06 13:58 |
| schestowitz | > in the 1990s by selling off properties. I hope that they can hold | Feb 06 13:58 |
| schestowitz | > out. Too many institutions are knuckling under to evil. | Feb 06 13:58 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 06 13:58 |
| schestowitz | > In the larger scope of things, it becomes a disadvantage for women | Feb 06 13:58 |
| schestowitz | > because the gays combine the most egregious characteristics of both | Feb 06 13:58 |
| schestowitz | > men and women. But more concretely they compete against women, and | Feb 06 13:58 |
| schestowitz | > even without that extra competition, women have it hard enough in | Feb 06 13:58 |
| schestowitz | > society. | Feb 06 13:58 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 06 13:58 |
| schestowitz | > For example here is an example of why the FSF is circling the drain, | Feb 06 13:58 |
| schestowitz | > from IRC last week because it a) weakens women and b) has nothing to | Feb 06 13:58 |
| schestowitz | > do with its core of software freedom: | Feb 06 13:58 |
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| schestowitz | > [22:15] [Notice] -TRIdentica to #techrights- [kxra/@kxra] RT | Feb 06 13:58 |
| schestowitz | > @freeculture Proud to support the new Empowermentors Collective with the | Feb 06 13:58 |
| schestowitz | > @FSF for #freeculture Women of Color & Queer People of Color ... | Feb 06 13:58 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 06 13:58 |
| schestowitz | > They take women that are traditionally even more disenfranchised and | Feb 06 13:58 |
| schestowitz | > then force them to split already scant resources with a bunch of | Feb 06 13:58 |
| schestowitz | > greedy men. | Feb 06 13:58 |
| schestowitz | > | Feb 06 13:58 |
| schestowitz | > Oh well. They control much of the media, especially the commercial | Feb 06 13:58 |
| schestowitz | > media but that's now spreading to even the non-commercial media. | Feb 06 13:58 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2346769 | Feb 06 19:34 |
| schestowitz | "moronic posh bint" | Feb 06 19:34 |
| TechrightsSocial | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: British press uses Khan's to reduce popularity of #assange (hinged upon false/sexed-up allegations) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/9853481/Julian-Assange-From-Jason-Bourne-to-L-Ron-Hubbard.html | Feb 06 19:34 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2340551 | Feb 06 19:35 |
| TechrightsSocial | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: #Atheist #SuperBowl Commercial Thoughts? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGcPjAH2iHQ | Feb 06 19:35 |
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| schestowitz | "I'd take Einstein's "God" - a "God" which is precisely not really one, as a signifier for that amazing vision of the universe and physics - over the superstitious cults any day" | Feb 06 19:35 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2344550 | Feb 06 19:36 |
| TechrightsSocial | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Exposed: #WholeFoods and the Biggest Organic Foods Distributor's Troubled Relationships with Workers http://www.prwatch.org/news/2013/02/11969/exposed-whole-foods-and-biggest-organic-foods-distributors-troubled-relationships | Feb 06 19:36 |
| TechrightsSocial | -> Title: Exposed: Whole Foods' and the Biggest Organic Foods Distributor's Troubled Relationships with Workers | PR Watch .::. Size~: 60.93 KB | Feb 06 19:36 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 06 19:36 |
| schestowitz | Worker co-ops. | Feb 06 19:36 |
| schestowitz | #liberty #freedom #libertarian #libertarian-socialist | Feb 06 19:36 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Parallax9/status/299217072276262912 | Feb 06 19:49 |
| TechrightsSocial | @Parallax9: @schestowitz Are you saying that the women who are accusing julian #assange of sex crimes do not deserve justice? | Feb 06 19:49 |
| schestowitz | they are used for political reasons, or are complicit in it. I've read the details many times. | Feb 06 19:49 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Noogleman/status/299207203745832961 | Feb 06 19:50 |
| TechrightsSocial | @Noogleman: @schestowitz Interesting then that none of #Assange's appeal arguments against the EAW were about it being politically motivated. | Feb 06 19:50 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Parallax9/status/299205882024189953 | Feb 06 19:50 |
| TechrightsSocial | @Parallax9: @schestowitz And can't you imagine all of the counter-intelligence being gathered on julian #assange?! He's in a very handy spot. | Feb 06 19:50 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/CloudLiveUK/status/299187123762913282 | Feb 06 19:51 |
| TechrightsSocial | @CloudLiveUK: @schestowitz It's a good job that we have UK servers in that case! | Feb 06 19:51 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/ralpost/status/299151499622232064 | Feb 06 19:51 |
| TechrightsSocial | @ralpost: #whoDaThunkIt Missed this news yesterday. Wow. That is all. http://t.co/lgdGsat6 (via @schestowitz) | Feb 06 19:51 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/bkfViking123/status/298877679741050880 | Feb 06 19:51 |
| TechrightsSocial | @bkfViking123: @schestowitz it's for our safety according to Senator Graham..feel safe yet? #ndaa http://t.co/N7FkyyHy | Feb 06 19:51 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-21347861 | Feb 06 20:27 |
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| schestowitz | BBC coverage | Feb 06 20:27 |
| schestowitz | hogwash | Feb 06 20:28 |
| schestowitz | "Barack Obama has hugely expanded the programme, killing many al-Qaeda suspects but many others too." | Feb 06 20:28 |
| qu1j0t3 | :| | Feb 06 20:55 |
| qu1j0t3 | "suspects" ? | Feb 06 20:55 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2347289 | Feb 06 21:33 |
| TechrightsSocial | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: | Feb 06 21:33 |
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| schestowitz | " | Feb 06 21:34 |
| schestowitz | I'm neither against or pro-marijuana, alcohol or tobacco, but some things have to be layed down straight and forward, to avoid manipulation: | Feb 06 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Tobacco is not psychoactive in a way that both alcohol and marijuana are [alcohol can be compared to coffee and tea, it slightly stimulates awareness and such, but it doesn't affect logical thinking, to be precise] | Feb 06 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Both alcohol, marijuana and tobacco does long-term-related harm to every organism | Feb 06 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Of course, it is unreasonable to make alcohol legal, but it doesn't mean that marijuana should be legal, too. It rather means that both alcohol, marijuana, and - possibly, because it doesn't affect human behaviour - tobacco should in fact be illegal, or banned. | Feb 06 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, I'm kinda tired of the pro-marijuana, pro-alcohol, pro-other-crap campains, to be honest. If you like pot, then be at least honest about it and say it aloud: "I like to be on high". Don't come up with some crappy pseudo-argument for legalising marijuana. Those in this poster are really, really dumb. Others are not quite reasonable, too. | Feb 06 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Sorry for being harsh, but somebody had to say it. Critical thinking doesn't hurt, and manipulation is something I - personally - really don't like. | Feb 06 21:34 |
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| schestowitz | Once I have asked RMS why does he think that marjuana should be legalized. He answered that personally he does not recommend to use it, and he has bad memory because of using it, however he thinks that legalizing would lower the crime level. | Feb 06 21:34 |
| schestowitz | I personally dislike any kind of stimulators, I don't even use coffee, prefer peppermint tea which is caffeine free. | Feb 06 21:34 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 06 21:34 |
| schestowitz | Demand for mood-altering drugs always exists, which makes producers and distributors of it. Selectively penalising or jailing producers and distributors is where it's becoming an issue, classified often by the class of people who use them, not the harms of the drugs themselves. | Feb 06 21:35 |
| schestowitz | "It is true, I like being high, but i aslo believe it is valuable medically. It is not an excuse for me wanting to get high, it is a fact that i dont have panic attacks since i started smoking. Dont generalize all pro-marijuana activists into one." | Feb 06 21:38 |
| schestowitz | "Of course, in first point I made I meant "tobacco", not alcohol [when I compared it to coffe and tea]" | Feb 06 21:54 |
| schestowitz | what's more dangerous than drinking alcohol and smoking tobacco? Drinking tobacco and smoking alcohol.. | Feb 06 21:56 |
| schestowitz | " | Feb 06 22:05 |
| schestowitz | @Nicola - for some folks out there who really need it for a medical purpose ... well, you got it anyway for prescription from your doctor and it's NOT illegal for you and others like you ;) | Feb 06 22:05 |
| schestowitz | Others, however, are just trying to find an excuse, as you've pointed out. | Feb 06 22:05 |
| schestowitz | @Roy - true. However, it should be more than just "ban it", or "make people realize it's bad for them". It's about "ban it and make people realize it's bad for them". Otherwise it sounds like an excuse [again] to not do anything about it ["well, people are always going to smoke it, so we should not ban it"]. | Feb 06 22:05 |
| schestowitz | Anyways, I have nothing against people who smoke marijuana. It's their life, their health, their decisions. As long as it doesn't affect others in a negative way I'm okay with it. | Feb 06 22:06 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/99445586 | Feb 06 22:17 |
| TechrightsSocial | @Jesus M. Gonzalez-Barahona (jgbarah)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Feb-13 22:11:22 UTC - Identi.ca: The status in the web server area Special attention to Nginx, which is getting trendier & trendier via http://ur1.ca/cpomg @schestowitz | Feb 06 22:17 |
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