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| qu1j0t3 | for some people it's more terrifying than death. | Apr 05 00:00 |
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| eikonos | right | Apr 05 00:00 |
| qu1j0t3 | if it's strong enough to make you murder your children without blinking | Apr 05 00:00 |
| qu1j0t3 | how is a few courses going to counter it? | Apr 05 00:00 |
| eikonos | and then there's the afghan girl who got shot because she wanted to go to school | Apr 05 00:00 |
| qu1j0t3 | that's what i want to know. | Apr 05 00:00 |
| qu1j0t3 | eikonos: i am talking about things that happen in Canada, but yeah, it's related. | Apr 05 00:00 |
| qu1j0t3 | eikonos: you remember the five dead girls recently? | Apr 05 00:00 |
| eikonos | children always seek to establish their own identity apart from their parents at a certain age | Apr 05 00:01 |
| eikonos | unless they live at home forever... | Apr 05 00:01 |
| qu1j0t3 | right, and then the parents kill them, if it involves boyfriends. | Apr 05 00:01 |
| qu1j0t3 | i am not sure how citizenship education will fix this. | Apr 05 00:01 |
| eikonos | i wouldn't say it will "fix" it, but i would say it improves the situation | Apr 05 00:01 |
| qu1j0t3 | "Schools are the perfect space for facilitating integration" | Apr 05 00:01 |
| qu1j0t3 | they don't appear to have done their homework. | Apr 05 00:01 |
| eikonos | and the best argument against it is finding something better | Apr 05 00:01 |
| qu1j0t3 | no that's not the best argument against it. | Apr 05 00:02 |
| qu1j0t3 | those who say education will work should bring evidence | Apr 05 00:02 |
| eikonos | i think i already did | Apr 05 00:02 |
| qu1j0t3 | because it smells like they don't understand the problem very well. | Apr 05 00:02 |
| eikonos | but if you've got something better, that's fine | Apr 05 00:02 |
| qu1j0t3 | here they are talking about "schools" again. | Apr 05 00:02 |
| qu1j0t3 | i am questioning whether educaiton works. | Apr 05 00:02 |
| qu1j0t3 | you're allowed to ask the question too. | Apr 05 00:03 |
| qu1j0t3 | saying "any better ideas?" doesn't answer that question. | Apr 05 00:03 |
| qu1j0t3 | "One of the major causes of violence against women is tribal patriarchy and the emphasis on prestige of the family, community or tribe, she said." | Apr 05 00:04 |
| qu1j0t3 | I agree | Apr 05 00:04 |
| qu1j0t3 | tribe being the key word | Apr 05 00:04 |
| qu1j0t3 | 'Next year’s event will focus on the need to engage leaders of the community and faith groups, corporate Canada, ethnic media and private philanthropists' | Apr 05 00:04 |
| qu1j0t3 | 'She called for better use of documents, such as the citizenship guide at the time of immigration, both in the countries of origin and upon arrival in Canada along with mandatory courses about universal human rights and the laws of Canada' | Apr 05 00:05 |
| qu1j0t3 | i am pretty sure that the family recently convicted were well aware they were committing murder under canadian law | Apr 05 00:05 |
| eikonos | the one with the car forced into the canal? | Apr 05 00:06 |
| qu1j0t3 | yes | Apr 05 00:06 |
| eikonos | yeah | Apr 05 00:06 |
| eikonos | the father is a control freak | Apr 05 00:06 |
| qu1j0t3 | so awareness of the law wasn't proof | Apr 05 00:06 |
| qu1j0t3 | he wasn't an aberration | Apr 05 00:06 |
| eikonos | so laws won't help | Apr 05 00:06 |
| qu1j0t3 | he was only following the rules of his tribe | Apr 05 00:06 |
| eikonos | in his case | Apr 05 00:06 |
| qu1j0t3 | well you raise an interesting point | Apr 05 00:07 |
| qu1j0t3 | okay, i agree with you that education will REDUCE the incidence | Apr 05 00:07 |
| qu1j0t3 | and if it is VIGOROUS, maybe even more so | Apr 05 00:07 |
| eikonos | nah, i think in his case, it's all about him and the "honor" bit only came up because he didn't want to say, "i was willing to kill them to get my own way" | Apr 05 00:07 |
| qu1j0t3 | well, it clearly falls into that category of event | Apr 05 00:07 |
| qu1j0t3 | it's not a personal issue | Apr 05 00:07 |
| eikonos | by the sounds of it, he regularly resorted to anger and violence in order to get his own way | Apr 05 00:08 |
| qu1j0t3 | for example, it would never have occurred to male children. | Apr 05 00:08 |
| qu1j0t3 | it wasn't an aberration or isolated incident | Apr 05 00:08 |
| qu1j0t3 | it was a result of a belief system | Apr 05 00:08 |
| qu1j0t3 | remember, women participated in the crime, too | Apr 05 00:08 |
| eikonos | yes | Apr 05 00:08 |
| qu1j0t3 | and other men | Apr 05 00:08 |
| eikonos | and his other son | Apr 05 00:08 |
| qu1j0t3 | you could say he was Charles Manson, but... | Apr 05 00:08 |
| qu1j0t3 | it is part of a pattern | Apr 05 00:08 |
| qu1j0t3 | they killed women, only women | Apr 05 00:09 |
| eikonos | right | Apr 05 00:09 |
| eikonos | ex-wife and two daughters | Apr 05 00:09 |
| qu1j0t3 | ah only 3... i keep thinking 5 | Apr 05 00:09 |
| eikonos | i think just 3 | Apr 05 00:09 |
| qu1j0t3 | right | Apr 05 00:09 |
| eikonos | but only women either way | Apr 05 00:09 |
| qu1j0t3 | and for disobedience | Apr 05 00:09 |
| qu1j0t3 | so it is exactly the template | Apr 05 00:09 |
| qu1j0t3 | of a patriarchal belief driven crime | Apr 05 00:09 |
| qu1j0t3 | anyway, i agree with you. education will reduce this. and maybe it needs to be very aggressive education. | Apr 05 00:10 |
| eikonos | it's really following the template laid out in the judaic religions | Apr 05 00:10 |
| eikonos | the story of isaac is freaky | Apr 05 00:10 |
| eikonos | imho | Apr 05 00:10 |
| qu1j0t3 | it is just worryingly close to Conservative rhetoric about Canadian values, that's all | Apr 05 00:10 |
| eikonos | it says a lot | Apr 05 00:10 |
| qu1j0t3 | yes, i know | Apr 05 00:11 |
| qu1j0t3 | this is prehistoric stuff | Apr 05 00:11 |
| eikonos | i think the story of isaac is religion in a nutshell | Apr 05 00:11 |
| eikonos | family values is coded language | Apr 05 00:11 |
| eikonos | same as honor killing | Apr 05 00:11 |
| eikonos | in fact, honor killing is a family value | Apr 05 00:11 |
| qu1j0t3 | i prefer to call it tribal | Apr 05 00:12 |
| qu1j0t3 | family is a kind of modern term | Apr 05 00:12 |
| eikonos | fair enough. but "family values" is a key word | Apr 05 00:12 |
| qu1j0t3 | in these situations the tribe takes precedence over family | Apr 05 00:12 |
| qu1j0t3 | yes it is, it's co-opted by modern christians | Apr 05 00:12 |
| eikonos | right | Apr 05 00:13 |
| eikonos | neither about family nor values | Apr 05 00:13 |
| qu1j0t3 | it's a figleaf for something that is super-family | Apr 05 00:13 |
| qu1j0t3 | indeed | Apr 05 00:13 |
| qu1j0t3 | so let's draft a campaign | Apr 05 00:13 |
| qu1j0t3 | "In Canada, we care about our families. We don't kill them. Get it?" | Apr 05 00:14 |
| eikonos | so "The only honorable family is a dead family" is out? ;) | Apr 05 00:14 |
| qu1j0t3 | "Your daughter dates a goy. You don't kill her. Get it?" | Apr 05 00:15 |
| qu1j0t3 | i dunno, i don't think the conservatives are the right people to draft this message. | Apr 05 00:15 |
| qu1j0t3 | "Your daughter has sex. You don't throw her out of hte house. Oh, wait, We conservatives do. Never mind" | Apr 05 00:15 |
| eikonos | maybe we can get someone to write these family values down in a list | Apr 05 00:20 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: https://twitter.com/HSJEditor/status/319878673127837698 | Apr 05 00:20 |
| TechrightsSocial | @HSJEditor: Just interviewed very senior NHS leader. Said 40% of their peers left the service last week. Worse talent drain they'd seen in 30 years. | Apr 05 00:20 |
| qu1j0t3 | eikonos: or Canadian values. | Apr 05 00:21 |
| qu1j0t3 | eikonos: We value, uh, diversity. Yeah. | Apr 05 00:21 |
| qu1j0t3 | eikonos: and , uh, the environment. | Apr 05 00:21 |
| qu1j0t3 | eikonos: and hmmm Freedom yeah | Apr 05 00:21 |
| qu1j0t3 | eikonos: like, any good idea you can think of, is diametric to Conservative policy | Apr 05 00:22 |
| qu1j0t3 | bit of a problem | Apr 05 00:22 |
| qu1j0t3 | eikonos: we value... not killing people ........ unless they're like female, or native | Apr 05 00:22 |
| qu1j0t3 | eikonos: or Polish in airports | Apr 05 00:22 |
| qu1j0t3 | eikonos: we favour not beating people up... unless they are dirty protesters who had it coming. ..... or students | Apr 05 00:23 |
| qu1j0t3 | this is all getting very problematic | Apr 05 00:23 |
| eikonos | so the mission statement is a lie? | Apr 05 00:23 |
| qu1j0t3 | maybe we should just build some more prisons | Apr 05 00:23 |
| qu1j0t3 | "We value a safe society. But just in case, here, have some free guns. And note these gleaming new prisons" | Apr 05 00:24 |
| qu1j0t3 | https://twitter.com/intifada/status/319953548630712320 | Apr 05 00:26 |
| TechrightsSocial | @intifada: Rights groups "express alarm" after Israeli professor in US calls Palestinian student "a cockroach" | by @norabf http://t.co/oxRza3tZe3 | Apr 05 00:26 |
| TechrightsSocial | -> Title: Rights groups "express alarm" after Israeli professor in US calls Palestinian student a "cockroach" | The Electronic Intifada .::. Size~: 50.55 KB | Apr 05 00:26 |
| qu1j0t3 | https://twitter.com/martingeddes/status/319876517880545281 | Apr 05 00:29 |
| TechrightsSocial | @martingeddes: I view a Facebook phone as the 21st century packet of Marlboro. Slickly marketed, widely consumed, and bad for your long-term wellbeing. | Apr 05 00:29 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2507092 | Apr 05 01:45 |
| TechrightsSocial | @linux@joindiaspora.com: Analysis of assembly code in Linux packages published http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Analysis-of-assembly-code-in-Linux-packages-published-1834092.html | Apr 05 01:45 |
| schestowitz | > The report's Ugly category mentions ten packages that still include assembly code for DEC VAX systems – code that is clearly superfluous nowadays. | Apr 05 01:45 |
| TechrightsSocial | -> Title: Analysis of assembly code in Linux packages published - The H Open: News and Features .::. Size~: 52.74 KB | Apr 05 01:45 |
| schestowitz | rofl! | Apr 05 01:45 |
| schestowitz | " | Apr 05 01:45 |
| qu1j0t3 | eikonos: schestowitz This is nuts. http://www.avaaz.org/en/save_the_maasai_sam/?bFpctab&v=23733 | Apr 05 01:49 |
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| schestowitz | http://socialmention.com/search?q=%22North+Korea%22&filter_user=schestowitz | Apr 05 02:29 |
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| schestowitz | techrights listed here http://patents.alltop.com/ | Apr 05 03:09 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2479091 | Apr 05 03:16 |
| TechrightsSocial | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: I notice that a lot of the "Google vs privacy" lobby is actually connected to its biggest river, Microsoft. FB, 'Consumer' 'Watchdog'... | Apr 05 03:16 |
| schestowitz | "Will, what do you do for a living, if you don't mind my asking?" | Apr 05 03:16 |
| qu1j0t3 | https://twitter.com/joshbloch/status/319996672971264000 | Apr 05 03:17 |
| TechrightsSocial | @joshbloch: Obama administration is complicit in "Six Strikes" idiocy http://t.co/09HL3KkJOq Why are Silicon Valley elite not up in arms? (Serious Q.) | Apr 05 03:17 |
| TechrightsSocial | -> Title: Federal court: Obama admin doesn’t need to release more “six strikes” documents | Ars Technica .::. Size~: 37.12 KB | Apr 05 03:17 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/100459031 | Apr 05 05:08 |
| TechrightsSocial | @Quiliro Ordóñez (quiliro)'s status on Wednesday, 03-Apr-13 11:32:49 UTC - Identi.ca: Open source people in fact add non-free software but they propose going to freedom. They confuse the users by saying something; not acting. | Apr 05 05:08 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/100460502 | Apr 05 05:08 |
| TechrightsSocial | @Sander (sandersch)'s status on Wednesday, 03-Apr-13 13:33:38 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz that's the least of their worries /me thniks | Apr 05 05:08 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/statuses/320030890279436288 | Apr 05 05:48 |
| TechrightsSocial | @Metztli_IT: 'Not a crime to make known crime of a state': Senior Swedish judge backs #Assange — RT News http://t.co/SSuB70yPvW ♺ @schestowitz #Wikileaks | Apr 05 05:48 |
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| roy | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2507699 | Apr 05 13:28 |
| TechrightsSocial | @jaywink@iliketoast.net: Number of contributors to #Diaspora code up to almost old levels for March 2013 - awesome stuff! https://www.ohloh.net/p/diaspora/contributors/summary Let's make April even better - **everyone who has done a patch or has planned on doing one, submit one for April**! Also let's clean up those idle pull requests and get them merged in. PS. Ohloh is a pretty cool site. #diaspora-dev #community #ohloh | Apr 05 13:28 |
| TechrightsSocial | Photo by jaywink@iliketoast.net: https://iliketoast.net/uploads/images/thumb_medium_647b67013b89250dad92.png | Apr 05 13:28 |
| roy | "Dr. Paranoia is saying that a company is probably in the future about to sell data that is already publicly viewable? Amazing! Tell me more about it." | Apr 05 13:28 |
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| roy | "Hehe. No, we can't. I already sold all the publicly viewable data. A russian billionaire gave me all of his money, his cars and his wifes for the repository commit-timeline of diaspora." | Apr 05 13:28 |
| roy | "Dammit Rasmus!!!!" | Apr 05 13:28 |
| roy | http://identi.ca/notice/100493610 | Apr 05 13:29 |
| TechrightsSocial | @Satipera (satipera)'s status on Friday, 05-Apr-13 12:24:09 UTC - Identi.ca: @Schestowitz the Hate Mail really hates the BBC. | Apr 05 13:29 |
| roy | XFaCE: qu1j0t3 http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/04/03/pol-us-ambassador-to-canada-obama.html | Apr 05 13:40 |
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| qu1j0t3 | ugh | Apr 05 15:05 |
| qu1j0t3 | XFaCE: eikonos Cheerful headline, front page G&M today. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/tory-cuts-to-hit-food-inspection-agency-aboriginal-affairs/article10797384/ | Apr 05 15:07 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: Tory cuts to hit food inspection agency, Aboriginal Affairs - The Globe and Mail .::. Size~: 88.47 KB | Apr 05 15:07 |
| qu1j0t3 | eikonos: this should be good... https://twitter.com/Saudiwoman/status/320097075398324224 | Apr 05 15:29 |
| TechrightsSocial | @Saudiwoman: Should Saudi women be allowed to drive? http://t.co/wnemwPiayZ shows you don't have to be a Saudi man to patronize Saudi women | Apr 05 15:29 |
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| qu1j0t3 | Should Saudi Men be allowed to drive? | Apr 05 15:33 |
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| qu1j0t3 | http://www.salon.com/2013/04/05/elf_activist_rearrested_for_writing_blog_post/ | Apr 05 16:54 |
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| eikonos | if roads are too dangerous in saudi, then the men shouldn't be driving | Apr 05 17:23 |
| qu1j0t3 | WAIT... THAT SOUNDS LIKE LOBIC | Apr 05 17:26 |
| qu1j0t3 | LOGIC* | Apr 05 17:26 |
| XFaCE | qu1j0t3: http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/news/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com/2013/04/04/elizabeth-to-elizabeth-queen-tells-green-party-leader-she-wont-investigate-robocalls-scandal | Apr 05 17:59 |
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| XFaCE | so basically she referred may's concerns about Harper effectively back to...Harper | Apr 05 18:00 |
| XFaCE | (governor General) | Apr 05 18:00 |
| XFaCE | qu1j0t3: also saw story about Harper promising election reform to prevent robocall scandal | Apr 05 18:01 |
| XFaCE | I'll give you a moment to rofl | Apr 05 18:01 |
| eikonos | what's the point of having a figurehead for a queen if she can't even do a simple thing like this? | Apr 05 18:01 |
| eikonos | qu1j0t3: http://twitter.com/NeinQuarterly/status/320219641907642368 | Apr 05 18:02 |
| TechrightsSocial | @NeinQuarterly: My Military Industrial Complex can beat up your Military Industrial Complex. | Apr 05 18:02 |
| XFaCE | eikonos: yeah, I totally expect an old world religious aristocrat symbol to be useful here | Apr 05 18:05 |
| eikonos | lol | Apr 05 18:05 |
| eikonos | true dat | Apr 05 18:05 |
| XFaCE | the only thing she's doing now is competing with the Kardashians for tabloid space | Apr 05 18:06 |
| eikonos | at least canadians don't have to pay the queen like the brits do | Apr 05 18:27 |
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| MinceR | XFaCE: time to switch to republic, then :> | Apr 05 19:01 |
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| qu1j0t3 | XFaCE | eikonos: yeah, I totally expect an old world religious aristocrat symbol to be useful here // touché | Apr 05 21:32 |
| qu1j0t3 | eikonos: https://twitter.com/mikko/status/320233187907342336 | Apr 05 21:43 |
| TechrightsSocial | @mikko: Movie studios send takedown notices to Google, asking Google to take down the takedown notices. http://t.co/VTzBP33DfF #DMCA #yodawg | Apr 05 21:43 |
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| eikonos | LOL | Apr 05 21:46 |
| MinceR | yo dawg, i heard you like takedown requests | Apr 05 21:47 |
| eikonos | were i replying to these requests, i would ask, "would you like the previous takedown requests replaced by these new ones?" | Apr 05 21:55 |
| MinceR | :) | Apr 05 21:57 |
| qu1j0t3 | https://twitter.com/RobotSpaf/status/320229127892393985 | Apr 05 22:16 |
| TechrightsSocial | @RobotSpaf: Google defies FBI, asks federal judge to challenge ‘national security letters’ - The Washington Post http://t.co/y0SBO7euIA | Apr 05 22:17 |
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| qu1j0t3 | eikonos: https://twitter.com/0xabad1dea/status/320035870436626432 | Apr 05 22:23 |
| TechrightsSocial | @0xabad1dea: Here they all are in high-res glory... let me remind you that this was ACTUALLY my world history textbook http://t.co/XqDYtlr3OX | Apr 05 22:23 |
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| eikonos | qu1j0t3: indistinguishable from satire | Apr 05 22:25 |
| qu1j0t3 | tru | Apr 05 22:27 |
| qu1j0t3 | or scientology | Apr 05 22:27 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: https://twitter.com/Symbo1ics/status/320288558361501696 | Apr 05 22:35 |
| TechrightsSocial | @Symbo1ics: No need to point out that #DRM = contempt for one's own customers; #Microsoft's own employees take care of that task http://t.co/8jL6ZasuMW | Apr 05 22:35 |
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| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: http://boingboing.net/2013/04/04/american-public-schools-in-9-s.html Name-checks Gates, of course | Apr 05 23:28 |
| TechrightsSocial | Title: American public schools in 9 states sharing every conceivable personal detail of their students with third parties - Boing Boing .::. Size~: 90.58 KB | Apr 05 23:28 |
| qu1j0t3 | https://twitter.com/Ken_Donnelly/status/320302549242621953 XFaCE eikonos | Apr 05 23:31 |
| TechrightsSocial | @Ken_Donnelly: #CPC minister cries about another country not respecting science. HAHAHAHA http://t.co/1e4jFuX1fd #cdnpoli | Apr 05 23:31 |
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| qu1j0t3 | https://twitter.com/earthislandjrnl/status/320250450815352832 | Apr 05 23:36 |
| TechrightsSocial | @earthislandjrnl: World Bank-funded palm oil company in Hondura implicated in “death squad” killings of land-rights activists http://t.co/pxT4YNDrHQ | Apr 05 23:36 |
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| qu1j0t3 | eikonos: schestowitz http://boingboing.net/2013/04/04/wealth-disparity-in-america-a.html | Apr 05 23:39 |
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