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eikonosqu1j0t3: 02 02:49
TechrightsSocial@thatblogchick: The only thing that stops a 5 year old with a gun is a 2 year old with a gun. Am I right @NRA ? #guncontrol 02 02:49
TechrightsSocial-> Title: Kentucky boy, 5, accidentally shoots to death 2-year-old sister - .::. Size~: 213.84 KBMay 02 02:49
qu1j0t3eikonos: yeah :-((May 02 02:57
qu1j0t3eikonos: Don't they mean, the only thing that stops an unarmed 2 yo is a 5yo with a gun?May 02 02:58
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MinceRi'd be more interested in what the only thing that stops a bullet is.May 02 07:07
qu1j0t3my ex-boss used to say, the best way to avoid a punch is not to be therMay 02 15:17
qu1j0t3eMay 02 15:17
qu1j0t3same with bullets, I expectMay 02 15:17
eikonosi'd say that what stops bullets is apparently childrenMay 02 17:24
qu1j0t3if the bullet keeps moving after the first child, just use a 2nd oneMay 02 17:33
eikonosand if the child keeps moving, use a 2nd bullet! :PMay 02 17:37
qu1j0t3true, bullets are cheapMay 02 17:38
MinceRgood ideaMay 02 18:41
MinceRlet's build armor out of children!May 02 18:41
qu1j0t3 02 20:19
TechrightsSocialTitle: The Weekly Update: Chicago, Atlanta and the Twin Cities, all victims of corporate reform and Diane Ravitch shares her thoughts | Seattle Education .::. Size~: 84.73 KBMay 02 20:19
qu1j0t3  “We’ll have one set of schools for children being taught to be [Wal-Mart] greeters, and we’ll have one set of schools for children being taught to rule the world,” said Lewis. “Let’s not pretend that’s not racist.”May 02 20:20
eikonosit's not racistMay 02 20:29
eikonosjust classistMay 02 20:29
eikonoswhich is another accident of birthMay 02 20:29
qu1j0t3and racist.May 02 20:29
qu1j0t3in effectMay 02 20:29
qu1j0t3it's discriminatoryMay 02 20:29
qu1j0t3deliberatelyMay 02 20:29
qu1j0t3those classes aren't exactly accidental, they are being maintained by policyMay 02 20:30
qu1j0t3ed. reform is part of thatMay 02 20:30
qu1j0t3always was. it's to maintain inequalityMay 02 20:30
eikonossometimes i think you forget we live in a meritocracy. you are assigned merit based on who your parents are and who they know ;)May 02 20:30
qu1j0t3and what colour their skin is.May 02 20:30
qu1j0t3etc, etc, etc, etc.May 02 20:30
eikonosclearly that's important, but it's not just about colourMay 02 20:30
qu1j0t3no, but race is a big part of what's going on in ChicagoMay 02 20:31
eikonosthe british house of lords isn't available to every white maleMay 02 20:31
qu1j0t3we can certainly say it's about classes on various attributesMay 02 20:31
eikonosrace is a distraction by the people in powerMay 02 20:31
qu1j0t3yes and noMay 02 20:31
qu1j0t3it's also the most profound indicator of your social role in most societiesMay 02 20:31
eikonosthe real problem is that merit isn't assigned based on skill, social cooperation, etcMay 02 20:31
qu1j0t3"most societies" as in every continent i've ever visitedMay 02 20:32
eikonosyeahMay 02 20:32
eikonoseven in india, lighter skin is betterMay 02 20:32
qu1j0t3yepMay 02 20:32
qu1j0t3and white men are highest casteMay 02 20:32
eikonosyeahMay 02 20:32
eikonosmaim gorah hai!May 02 20:32
qu1j0t3it's true that race is used as a distraction, but that's a side effect of this kind of abysmal policy as wellMay 02 20:33
MinceRAsh nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, Ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.May 02 20:33
eikonosqu1j0t3: the white lords tell the poor whites, "the blacks and the mexicans are stealing your jobs!"May 02 20:34
eikonosand "but don't you want to be on *top* of the bottom of the pile?"May 02 20:34
eikonosof course there should be racial equalityMay 02 20:35
eikonosand i guess working on that is a first step to actual meritocracyMay 02 20:35
qu1j0t3some weeks ya wanna give upMay 02 20:35
eikonosno kiddingMay 02 20:35
eikonosMinceR: what language is that?May 02 20:35
qu1j0t3we can't even get basic shit rightMay 02 20:35
qu1j0t3like, having schoolsMay 02 20:35
MinceRblack speechMay 02 20:35
qu1j0t3eikonos: May 02 20:36
TechrightsSocial@mtaibbi: Today's Friedman column also most indistinguishable yet from the auto-Friedman generator 02 20:36
TechrightsSocial-> Title: It’s a 401(k) World - .::. Size~: 50.88 KBMay 02 20:36
TechrightsSocial-> Title: Thomas Friedman Op/Ed Generator .::. Size~: 2.5 KBMay 02 20:36
eikonosLOLMay 02 20:36
eikonosi read a couple from the generatorMay 02 20:37
eikonosnot sure i need to read an actual oneMay 02 20:37
qu1j0t3  "We went from a connected world to a hyperconnected world. I’m always struck that Facebook, Twitter, 4G, iPhones, iPads, high-speech broadband, ubiquitous wireless and Web-enabled cellphones, the cloud, Big Data, cellphone apps and Skype did not exist or were in their infancy a decade ago when I wrote a book called “The World Is Flat.” All of that came since then, and the combination ofMay 02 20:37
qu1j0t3these tools of connectivity and creativity has created a global education, commercial, communication and innovation platform on which more people can start stuff, collaborate on stuff, learn stuff, make stuff (and destroy stuff) with more other people than ever before. May 02 20:37
eikonosha, saved by the NYT login page :PMay 02 20:37
qu1j0t3what a fucking visionary he isMay 02 20:37
qu1j0t3he predicted the internet ten years ago!May 02 20:37
MinceRlolMay 02 20:37
eikonosqu1j0t3: John Galt has a websiteMay 02 20:39
qu1j0t3eikonos: actually, that education agenda is a bit more hostile than you may have realisedMay 02 20:39
eikonosyou can't access it though, it's only available through localhostMay 02 20:39
MinceRwho is John Galt? :>May 02 20:39
eikonoshahaMay 02 20:39
qu1j0t3eikonos: it's mentioned in that articleMay 02 20:39
eikonosqu1j0t3: i'm sure it is entirely hostileMay 02 20:39
qu1j0t3eikonos: it's meant to force blacks and hispanics outMay 02 20:40
eikonosand bring some weird version of bellicose jesus backMay 02 20:40
eikonos(riding a dinosaur)May 02 20:40
qu1j0t3  "StudentsFirst, Inc., the controversial Sacramento-based education reform group headed by Michele Rhee, spent $99,122 over the past two years on media advertising to “influence legislative action” and other lobbying efforts. Meanwhile, the New York City-based 50CAN, Inc. spent $144,396 to lobby here. The chair of 50-CAN, Minnesota’s own Matthew Kramer, is also the CEO of Teach forMay 02 20:41
qu1j0t3America, a group that has also been spending money in Minnesota to impact legislation and campaigns.May 02 20:41
MinceRi prefer Raptor JesusMay 02 20:41
qu1j0t3 this is nothign compared to what Gates is spending to promote his corporate cronies (Pearson)May 02 20:41
eikonoscritical thinking is criticalMay 02 20:43
qu1j0t3oh, i know! why don't we have education!May 02 20:44
qu1j0t3...oopsMay 02 20:44
eikonosand students ain't gonna lern it at the reformd skoolsMay 02 20:44
qu1j0t3hardly a coincidenceMay 02 20:44
qu1j0t3let's read some more Friedman...May 02 20:45
qu1j0t3  "What’s exciting is that this platform empowers individuals to access learning, retrain, engage in commerce, seek or advertise a job, invent, invest and crowd source — all online. May 02 20:45
eikonoslet's notMay 02 20:45
qu1j0t3  "If you are self-motivated, wow, this world is tailored for you. The boundaries are all gone. But if you’re not self-motivated, this world will be a challenge because the walls, ceilings and floors that protected people are also disappearing. May 02 20:45
qu1j0t3ah.. love itMay 02 20:45
qu1j0t3the inner neo-con rightist twit comes out..May 02 20:45
eikonosactually, he's gonna give up all his wealth, and go work in a bhangladeshi garment factory to prove that you can rise to the top on willpower and hard work aloneMay 02 20:46
qu1j0t3  "Government will do less for you. Companies will do less for you. Unions can do less for you. There will be fewer limits, but also fewer guarantees. Your specific contribution will define your specific benefits much more. Just showing up will not cut it. May 02 20:46
qu1j0t3LOLMay 02 20:46
qu1j0t3so, he's stating all this as if it's factMay 02 20:46
qu1j0t3"Random columnists will do less for you."May 02 20:46
eikonosif you're george bush and you have to show up at the texas rangers, you don't even need to show up to get aheadMay 02 20:47
qu1j0t3  "I find a lot of this scary. We’re entering a world that increasingly rewards individual aspiration and persistence and can measure precisely who is contributing and who is not. This is not going away, so we better think how we help every citizen benefit from it. May 02 20:47
qu1j0t3^^May 02 20:47
qu1j0t3amazingMay 02 20:47
eikonosso he's all for arresting wall street bankers who broke actual laws to steal actual money?May 02 20:48
eikonosbecause we can measure that shitMay 02 20:48
qu1j0t3LOL, yeah. our worthy well rewarded contributors.May 02 20:48
qu1j0t3it's kind of like he lives in a sealed boxMay 02 20:48
eikonosi wishMay 02 20:48
eikonosairtightMay 02 20:48
qu1j0t3JHAHAMay 02 20:48
eikonosis he on twitterMay 02 20:48
eikonos?May 02 20:49
qu1j0t3i think soMay 02 20:49
eikonoshmm.. why am i not following taibbi?May 02 20:50
qu1j0t3don't know...May 02 20:50
qu1j0t3i thought you probably had beenMay 02 20:50
qu1j0t3meanwhile, in false dichotomies: May 02 20:51
TechrightsSocial@amnesty: US #drone strikes being used as alternative to #Guantánamo, lawyer says via @GuardianMay 02 20:51
TechrightsSocial-> Title: US drone strikes being used as alternative to Guantánamo, lawyer says | World news | .::. Size~: 129.67 KBMay 02 20:51
qu1j0t3  "The greatest threat of all is that charter schools are undermining the fundamental American principle that public schools should be governed by the communities they were built to serve. But one need only look at the Board of Directors of these various charter schools to see where education reform is taking us. Hiawatha Academies, for example, has a board of executives from major corporateMay 02 21:08
qu1j0t3entities such as United Health, Best Buy, Standard Health, and U.S. Bank. Similar evidence can be found with dozens of other charters. In some cases, the charter chain headquarters are not even located in Minnesota.May 02 21:08
qu1j0t3eikonos: best one yet. 02 21:10
TechrightsSocialTitle: Bill Gates’ Damage Control via Student Test Prep Questions? | Seattle Education .::. Size~: 75.61 KBMay 02 21:10
eikonosand also the sun shines out of his behindMay 02 21:16
eikonosthey didn't mention that, probably because gates is so humbleMay 02 21:17
qu1j0t3Gates Foundation is one of the biggest, perhaps /the/ biggest player in ed. reformMay 02 21:17
qu1j0t3this sort of thing is entirely predictable, it was predicted in factMay 02 21:17
qu1j0t3as an outcome of corporatising educationMay 02 21:17
qu1j0t3eikonos: LOOK WE GOTTA INVADE FAST!!! 02 21:23
TechrightsSocialTitle: US and UK to wait on fresh evidence over Syria chemical weapons claims | World news | .::. Size~: 133.18 KBMay 02 21:23
eikonosyeah, but what if we use forensic science discover after 1850?May 02 21:28
eikonosdiscovered*May 02 21:28
qu1j0t3eikonos: nah, no need, let's just go in and kill emMay 02 21:44
qu1j0t3worked in 2003 riteMay 02 21:44
eikonos"i came to canada. i found the doors of opportunity well-guarded"May 02 22:35
qu1j0t3indeedMay 02 22:52

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