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schestowitz"Accordingly to LAW no Occupation! Does Japans kicking Russians on their islands?or may be Germans in Kaliningrad?Arabs have no proof what so ever.There has never been a civilization or a nation referred to as "Palestine" and the very notion of a "Palestinian Arab nation" having ancient attachments to the Holy Land going back to time immemorial is one of the biggest hoaxes ever perpetrated upon the world! There is not, nor May 09 08:15 #Arab's #AggressionMay 09 08:15
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schestowitzhas there ever been, a distinct "Palestinian" culture or language. Further, there has never been a Palestinian state governed BY Arab Palestinians in history, nor was there ever a serious Arab-Palestinian national movement until 1964... three years BEFORE the Arabs of "Palestine" lost the West Bank [Judea and Samaria] and Gaza as a result of the 1967 Six-Day War (which the Arabs started)"May 09 08:15
schestowitzArabs lived in the area for a long time before the immigration from Europe. The Turks and British had occupied the land before it was divided via the UN such that both side of the conflict get some territory. Over time those borders were honoured less and less, with Sinai desert being occupied at one time (to help the British and the French reconquer Suez) and Syria still being occupied.May 09 08:17
schestowitz*sidesMay 09 08:17
schestowitzqu1j0t3: May 09 08:27
schestowitz> billg at #7 ... Melinda at #9 and Fester at #94May 09 08:27
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schestowitz> " Bill Gates One of Ten Most Trusted in USA"May 09 08:27
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schestowitz 09 08:27 You can't preach to countries about human rights while spying *globally*, indefinitely detaining w/o charges, kill lists, torture, etc.May 09 08:27
schestowitz"Pointing out hypocrisy is extremely important, imo."May 09 08:27
schestowitz 09 08:28 #Boycott #Israel...BE A MAN and CARRY ON!!! #Intel out!!!May 09 08:28
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schestowitz"Other-way all its citizens long, would have been killed. But other side due to fact not so armed kill less from other side...and from theirself, see the examples in Syria and Egypt"May 09 08:28
schestowitz 09 08:29 You can't preach to countries about human rights while spying *globally*, indefinitely detaining w/o charges, kill lists, torture, etc.May 09 08:29
schestowitz"May 09 08:30
schestowitzharry, you would have a point if there were a serious prospect of the US going to war with NK over torture. In fact, it seems to me that the whole 'crisis' has been provoked by the NK government in order to extract more aid from the South. We've seen it all before.May 09 08:30
schestowitzProbably the best thing the peace movement can do is to point out that NK is far worse than Iran, since that's where the war will be if we have one. Not that it's likely under the present US administration.May 09 08:30
schestowitz"May 09 08:30
schestowitz"theRabbit, you're such a Christian ;)"May 09 08:31
schestowitzIran and NK are singled out for not being in line with the Western ("first world" in Cold Era terms) agenda; the only reasons China and more so Russia are less often challenges for being the "second world" is they they have nuclear power -- a wrath that the US dare not poke with a stick. The fear is that more "second world" countries may acquire nukes, giving potential war and negotiation upper hand to more leaders who are May 09 08:32
schestowitzhard to tame.May 09 08:32
schestowitz*old War era *challengedMay 09 08:33
schestowitz 09 08:36
TechrightsSocial@PeerlessPower: @schestowitz: yes, but don't you find it more appetizing than a slaughterhouse? I'd rather eat the beef from a bull that died in combat.May 09 08:36
TechrightsSocial@PeerlessPower: @schestowitz: when I see a bullfight, I get hungry, unless the bull wins and then I lose my appetite.May 09 08:36
schestowitzThe taste is harmed by pain; which releases chemicals in the bodyMay 09 08:36
schestowitz 09 09:26 #Arab's #AggressionMay 09 09:26
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schestowitz"May 09 09:27
schestowitz"The original people who Arafat put into the camps and refused to let them leave when Israel became a state, are the children and grandchildren of Lebanese, Syrians, and Jordanians. There has never been a people known as "Palestinians" as people think of, for instance, the Native Americans.May 09 09:27
schestowitzWhen Rome invaded Israel, it renamed the area Palestine in an effort to remove any Jewish connotations from the name. Everyone who lived there at the time were "Palestinians", Jews and Arabs alike.May 09 09:27
schestowitzThere were very few people there at all then, and even until Israel regained its independence in the 1940's there were very few people there. More Jews than Arabs, and the area was basically a wasteland. More roaming Bedouins than anything else there, really. These were not muslims until recently.May 09 09:27
schestowitz"May 09 09:27
schestowitzYearMay 09 09:29
schestowitzJewsMay 09 09:29
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schestowitzTotalMay 09 09:29
schestowitz% of Jews to Total 1914 60,000 731,000 791,000 7.585% 1922 83,790 668,258 752,048 11.141% 1931 174,606 858,708 1,033,314 16.897% 1941 474,102 1,111,398 1,585,500 29.902% 1950 1,203,000 1,172,100 2,375,100 50.650% 1960 1,911,300 1,340,100 3,251,400 58.783% 1970 * 2,582,000 1,045,000 3,627,000 71.188% 1980 3,282,700 2,100,000 5,382,700 60.986% 1995 4,495,100 3,506,900 8,002,000 56.173% 2005 5,275,700 5,139,100 10,414,800 50.656May 09 09:29
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schestowitzless than a minute ago May 09 09:29
schestowitzThe facts just don't add up for himMay 09 09:34
schestowitz 09 09:48 #Arab's #AggressionMay 09 09:48
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schestowitz"May 09 09:50
schestowitzThe Palestinians left their homes in 1947-48 for a variety of reasons. Thousands of wealthy Arabs left in anticipation of a war, thousands more responded to Arab leaders' calls to get out of the way of the advancing armies, a handful were expelled, but most simply fled to avoid being caught in the cross fire of a battle. Had the Arabs accepted the 1947 UN resolution, not a single Palestinian would have become a refugee and anMay 09 09:50
schestowitzindependent Arab state would now exist beside Israel.May 09 09:50
schestowitzThe beginning of the Arab exodus can be traced to the weeks immediately following the announcement of the UN partition resolution. The first to leave were roughly 30,000 wealthy Arabs who anticipated the upcoming war and fled to neighboring Arab countries to await its end. Less affluent Arabs from the mixed cities of Palestine moved to all-Arab towns to stay with relatives or friends.May 09 09:50
schestowitzAll of those who left fully anticipated being able to return to their homes after an early Arab victory, as Palestinian nationalist Aref el-Aref explained in his history of the 1948 war:May 09 09:50
schestowitzThe Arabs thought they would win in less than the twinkling of an eye and that it would take no more than a day or two from the time the Arab armies crossed the border until all the colonies were conquered and the enemy would throw down his arms and cast himself on their mercy.May 09 09:50
schestowitzBy the end of January1948, the exodus was so alarming the Palestine Arab Higher Committee asked neighboring Arab countries to refuse visas to these refugees and to seal the borders against them.May 09 09:50
schestowitzMeanwhile, Jewish leaders urged the Arabs to remain in Palestine and become citizens of Israel. The Assembly of Palestine Jewry issued this appeal on October 2, 1947:May 09 09:50
schestowitzWe will do everything in our power to maintain peace, and establish a cooperation gainful to both [Jews and Arabs]. It is now, here and now, from Jerusalem itself, that a call must go out to the Arab nations to join forces with Jewry and the destined Jewish State and work shoulder to shoulder for our common good, for the peace and progress of sovereign equals.May 09 09:50
schestowitzOn November 30, the day after the UN partition vote, the Jewish Agency announced: “The main theme behind the spontaneous celebrations we are witnessing today is our community's desire to seek peace and its determination to achieve fruitful cooperation with the Arabs....“May 09 09:50
schestowitz"May 09 09:50
schestowitzThat's a copy-paste job which does not refute the numbers I cited - number which had refuted the earlier claims about there being only few Arabs in Palestine before the colonisation from Europe and other countries.May 09 09:51
schestowitzHe is losing the argumentMay 09 09:51
schestowitzNow it's just "appeal to authority"May 09 09:51
schestowitzqu1j0t3: May 09 12:15
schestowitz[12:13] [Notice] -TRIdentica to #techrights- [schestowitz/@schestowitz] Is It Journalism, or Just a Repackaged Press Release? Here's a Tool to Help You Find Out 09 12:15
TechrightsSocialTitle: Is It Journalism, or Just a Repackaged Press Release? Here's a Tool to Help You Find Out - Rebecca J. Rosen - The Atlantic .::. Size~: 138.66 KBMay 09 12:15
schestowitz[12:13] [Notice] -TRIdentica to #techrights- [schestowitz/@schestowitz] When you see articles about #facebook "open source data centres" you must assume the author is into Churnalism.May 09 12:15
schestowitz[12:15] [Notice] -TRIdentica to #techrights- [schestowitz/@schestowitz] #facebook sets up new #surveillance facility, "useful idiot" Jolie O'Dell is #openwashing it 09 12:16
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schestowitz 09 14:03 #Google patches #Facebook 's exploitation of #Android #linuxMay 09 14:03
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schestowitz"indeed"May 09 14:03
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TechrightsSocial@Jose R Rodriguez (metztli)'s status on Thursday, 09-May-13 15:13:16 UTC - #Israel's #drone attacks "has received… little media coverage" hmmm… strange? ♺ @schestowitz #Palestine #GazaMay 09 16:26
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TechrightsSocial@Jose R Rodriguez (metztli)'s status on Thursday, 09-May-13 15:19:32 UTC - "#Pakistan doesn't know that #US(& #Israel quite notably) don't give a[#FUCK] about the #UN & never did" ⚡@schestowitzMay 09 16:26
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qu1j0t3  "Certainly in the UK, where I grew up, the Prime Minister's spouse often works - from memory, Denis Thatcher was very senior in the UK oil industry, Cherie Blair was (and still is) a prominent human rights lawyer, and Samantha Cameron is the chief exec of a luxury goods company.May 09 16:31
qu1j0t3---> Cherie Blair was (and still is) a prominent human rights lawyer,May 09 16:32
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qu1j0t3fuck you googleMay 09 16:34
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trmancohey schestowitz do you know what's going on with all those ipv6 errors from the bot? I tried them here and they work fineMay 09 17:10
schestowitzyes, I restarted the botMay 09 17:26
schestowitzit looks OK nowMay 09 17:26
schestowitz> I would add that my source isn't / wasn't an OLPC employee, and I doMay 09 17:33
schestowitz> realize that the organization has made enough mistakes that it couldMay 09 17:33
schestowitz> have flopped even if Microsoft didn't exist. May 09 17:33
schestowitz> [...]May 09 17:33
schestowitz>     Thanks for writing back. May 09 17:33
schestowitz> May 09 17:33
schestowitz>     I've been talking to a source that has me wondering if there wasn'tMay 09 17:33
schestowitz>     a very specific plan to 'sink' the OLPC project by Microsoft. OfMay 09 17:33
schestowitz>     course, it's perfectly logical to assume as much, but that's not theMay 09 17:34
schestowitz>     same as having a "smoking gun," so to speak — which I don't have.May 09 17:34
schestowitz>     Instead, I'm trying to understand the full scope of how MicrosoftMay 09 17:34
schestowitz>     does business: lobbying, unfair trade practices, etc. Essentially,May 09 17:34
schestowitz>     the things you write about all the time. My hope is that I can playMay 09 17:34
schestowitz>     off the OLPC story and use it to illustrate what an enormous beastMay 09 17:34
schestowitz>     Microsoft is.May 09 17:34
schestowitz> May 09 17:34
schestowitz>     That isn't a question, is it? May 09 17:34
schestowitz> May 09 17:34
schestowitz>     I suppose I would star by asking: have you heard any stories/rumorsMay 09 17:34
schestowitz>     about Microsoft activity in developing countries, especially EgyptMay 09 17:34
schestowitz>     and Libya? Or anything regarding OLPC?May 09 17:34
schestowitz> May 09 17:34
schestowitz>     Also, any other sites / organizations I should check out for info onMay 09 17:34
schestowitz>     this topic?May 09 17:34
schestowitz> May 09 17:34
schestowitz>     best,May 09 17:34
schestowitz>     JoeMay 09 17:34
schestowitz> May 09 17:34
schestowitz>     (I'm asking you this on background, as a way to start diggingMay 09 17:34
schestowitz>     around. I'd love to do a formal interview with you at some point,May 09 17:34
schestowitz>     however.)May 09 17:34
schestowitzRe: Interview request for Dr. SchestowitzMay 09 17:34
schestowitzThe VergeMay 09 17:35
qu1j0t3  schestowitz | >     I suppose I would star by asking: have you heard any stories/rumors    May 09 17:36
qu1j0t3  schestowitz | >     about Microsoft activity in developing countries, especially Egypt     May 09 17:36
qu1j0t3  schestowitz | >     and Libya? Or anything regarding OLPC?                                 May 09 17:37
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schestowitzI sent my responseMay 09 18:08
schestowitz"May 09 18:08
schestowitzHi Joe,May 09 18:08
schestowitzSeveral years ago I began assembling in a newly-created Wiki some of the notes and links that I had collected ( ), including some articles I wrote when I worked as a columnist for JupiterMedia (see ). There is a lot of material there, but in order to save you time, consider the smoking gun, an antitrust exhibit which Microsoft May 09 18:08
schestowitzpaid the plaintiff to remove (myself and others had gotten a copy quickly enough, just before it was removed). The exhibit itself is self explanatory and it contains quotes from top Microsoft officials:May 09 18:08
schestowitzExhibit (PDF): 09 18:08
schestowitzPost (with text transcribed by someone in the comments):May 09 18:08
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TechrightsSocialTitle: How OLPC Failed Where Industry Succeeded with GNU/Linux | Techrights .::. Size~: 121.92 KBMay 09 18:08
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schestowitzI could say a lot more about OLPC, but perhaps I can save it for the interview, which I am eager to do with you.May 09 18:08
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schestowitzI wrote hundreds of posts about Microsoft activity in developing countries. Regarding Egypt and Libya, I recall Microsoft activity against Linux-powered sub-notebooks in both (I think Egypt was offered OLPC and Libya Intel's alternative to it, but only briefly). If I revisit my writings from that time I can give more accurate information and references. Some are in my personal site, e.g.:May 09 18:08
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schestowitzWikileaks recently published this interesting cable about Egypt:May 09 18:08
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schestowitzEgypt also fought Microsoft lock-in earlier this year:May 09 18:08
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schestowitzI have a lot more to say and perhaps a formal interview would facilitate this.May 09 18:08
TechrightsSocialTitle: Egypt Besieged by Microsoft, the Egyptian People Fight the Oppressor | Techrights .::. Size~: 98.69 KBMay 09 18:08
schestowitz"May 09 18:08
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TechrightsSocial@HarryP_Lol: @schestowitz But, I thought Gates bought out &/or partnered with Fedora Linux -- when he bought the Linux Servers for Amazon! He's a THREAT!May 09 18:12
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schestowitz> Hi, Roy,May 09 19:17
schestowitz> May 09 19:17
schestowitz> Cool.  I look forward to reading it.May 09 19:17
schestowitz> May 09 19:17
schestowitz> Does he know about digging things up in Comes v Microsoft or some of theMay 09 19:17
schestowitz> Wikileaks finds?May 09 19:17
schestowitzI don't know yet. I didn't do background check on the author.May 09 19:17
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schestowitz> PS. Thunderbird does not give a proper warning notice when receiving aMay 09 19:17
schestowitz> BCC'd message.May 09 19:17
schestowitzThat's OK, I typically read headers before messages.May 09 19:17
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qu1j0t3schestowitz: May 09 21:15
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TechrightsSocial@GreeGreece: 100 of UK's richest people concealing billions in offshore tax havens 09 23:02
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