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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[torproject/@torproject] Now in Barton room @TorProject speaking on Privacy and Anonymity @NEGiveCamp #negc2013 | Apr 28 00:13 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Corporate crime http://ur1.ca/dkhvy | Apr 28 00:46 | |
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| formic_ | fewt - use systemd or fuck off | Apr 28 00:53 |
| formic_ | nobody likes you anymore, after finding out why fuduntu was axed | Apr 28 00:53 |
| formic_ | "cause we're too dumb to deal with systemd" | Apr 28 00:53 |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Apr 28 01:31 |
| sebsebseb | hey _Goblin you actuasly about ? | Apr 28 01:31 |
| sebsebseb | hi roy_ | Apr 28 01:31 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: | Apr 28 01:31 |
| sebsebseb | XFaCE: | Apr 28 01:31 |
| sebsebseb | fewt: | Apr 28 01:32 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Children killed by Obama's drone attacks http://ur1.ca/dkirc | Apr 28 01:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[torproject/@torproject] Thanks to @autosponge and @shadman, we have a functional branch, http://ur1.ca/dkisw #negc2013 @negivecamp | Apr 28 01:48 | |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Commits in fuerza/fuerza:autosponge-github - Gitorious .::. Size~: 8.79 KB | Apr 28 01:48 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Morsi responds to leaks about torture and killing of prisoners http://ur1.ca/dkjk7 | Apr 28 02:48 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Guantanamo defense lawyers' emails secretly accessed http://ur1.ca/dkkc5 | Apr 28 03:48 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt280/@lnxwalt280] HR1406 http://is.gd/Kvma3o would remove overtime pay requirement, make it easier for employers to force mandatory overtime. | Apr 28 04:01 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: CBO | H.R. 1406, Working Families Flexibility Act of 2013 .::. Size~: 18.44 KB | Apr 28 04:01 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Urgent: Oppose coal-mining concessions on public lands http://ur1.ca/dkl1t | Apr 28 04:49 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RT @climagic Happy 40th Birthday @imurdock! (Ian Murdock, Debian founder and the 'Ian' in Debian). | Apr 28 05:38 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Lessons from Obama administration's drone lies http://ur1.ca/dklu4 | Apr 28 05:51 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] << oh, the horror>> the sad state of politics in !Canada ... Seriously? email from Justin Trudeau: "They're out spending us" !CDNpoli | Apr 28 06:35 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rt @PstTnse Chillin' at the Hollow Tree, 1890s http://tmblr.co/ZfdQvxjinJer #Vancouver !Canada | Apr 28 06:43 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Past Tense • Hollow Tree, 1890s Source: Photo by the Neelands... .::. Size~: 29.43 KB | Apr 28 06:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Urgent: Oppose removal of key part of libel reform http://ur1.ca/dkmm1 | Apr 28 06:51 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] !CDNpoli Federal politicians use non-partisan climate group to meet in ‘safe space’ behind closed doors http://ur1.ca/dkmqy | Apr 28 07:01 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Federal politicians use non-partisan climate group to meet in ‘safe space’ behind closed doors .::. Size~: 21.75 KB | Apr 28 07:01 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] mobile website that requires #Javascript to display ANYTHING! and does not indicate that it requires JS? inc.com, you have failed! | Apr 28 07:23 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Urgent: Protect wild bison of Montana http://ur1.ca/dknd9 | Apr 28 07:51 | |
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| iophk | http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/apr/28/itunes-10-years-old-best-idea-apple-ever-had | Apr 28 08:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: iTunes is 10 years old today. Was it the best idea Apple ever had? | Technology | The Observer .::. Size~: 150.08 KB | Apr 28 08:09 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Insecticide firms in secret bid to stop ban that could save bees http://goo.gl/QcQ1S | Apr 28 08:33 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Insecticide firms in secret bid to stop ban that could save bees | Environment | The Observer .::. Size~: 132.02 KB | Apr 28 08:33 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Thatcher's role in Apartheid http://ur1.ca/dko37 | Apr 28 08:53 | |
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| iophk | pocket pool | Apr 28 08:54 |
| iophk | http://www2.macleans.ca/2013/04/23/bill-gates-accused-of-disrespecting-south-korean-president-during-handshake/ | Apr 28 08:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Bill Gates accused of disrespecting South Korean president during handshake - Need to know - Macleans.ca .::. Size~: 57.83 KB | Apr 28 08:55 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Moody's Microblog Daily Digest 130427 - http://bit.ly/150C4Sz yesterday's tweets as a single Web page #MMDD | Apr 28 09:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] [RT] ease of finding info online makes us keen to know more about food we eat - http://bit.ly/12yVV6t yup (v @Steph_Steinberg @DrRimmer) | Apr 28 09:13 | |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: GMOs: A Breakthrough or Breakdown in U.S. Agriculture? - US News and World Report .::. Size~: 49.85 KB | Apr 28 09:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The Revival of Tradition in France’s Forests - http://bit.ly/126QCbJ fascinating tale of the forest #commons (v @mbauwens) | Apr 28 09:15 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The Revival of Tradition in France’s Forests | Solutions .::. Size~: 63.65 KB | Apr 28 09:15 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] [RT] #china grows in importance to ‘NZ Inc’ - http://bit.ly/12xxkyX another reason #TPP is exactly wrong for #newzealand | Apr 28 09:16 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: China grows in importance to ‘NZ Inc’ | It's Our Future | Kiwi Voices on the TPPA .::. Size~: 25.63 KB | Apr 28 09:16 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Pirate Party Enters #Iceland’s National Parliament After Historic Election Win - http://bit.ly/ZPqWmw impressive & great news #is | Apr 28 09:18 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Pirate Party Enters Iceland’s National Parliament After Historic Election Win | TorrentFreak .::. Size~: 31.62 KB | Apr 28 09:18 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Death Threats, a Fired Bullet and Cold Cells: Hear #Guantanamo Horror Stories as Mass Hunger Strike Continues - http://bit.ly/150DkoL shame | Apr 28 09:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] [RT] Tackling "Monoculture of the Mind" - http://bit.ly/11LI4IS good analysis of blinkered, doomed approach | Apr 28 09:25 | |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Tackling "Monoculture of the Mind" | Common Dreams .::. Size~: 37.96 KB | Apr 28 09:25 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Fact vs. Fiction: How Renewables Outshine Fracking - http://bit.ly/13DnHPk some great graphs here | Apr 28 09:26 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Fact vs. Fiction: How Renewables Outshine Fracking | Alternet .::. Size~: 108.03 KB | Apr 28 09:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] [RT] Bundesregierung bastelt mit üblichen Verdächtigen an EU-USA-Freihandelsabkommen - http://bit.ly/Yb9hr4 we demand #transparency now | Apr 28 09:28 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] $200 Intel #Android Laptops Are Coming - http://bit.ly/15R2V2V can't wait #linux | Apr 28 09:30 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: $200 Intel Android Laptops Are Coming - Slashdot .::. Size~: 119.83 KB | Apr 28 09:30 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Mayflower #tarsands Spill: Chemist finds benzene, AG investigates, residents organize - http://bit.ly/12RlAIL a "taste" of things to come | Apr 28 09:31 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Update on Mayflower Oil Spill: Chemist finds benzene, AG investigates, residents organize : TreeHugger .::. Size~: 49.46 KB | Apr 28 09:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Insecticide firms in secret bid to stop ban that could save bees - http://bit.ly/11MUhxX shame on UK for fighting experts' advice on this | Apr 28 09:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] (last via @corporateeurope) | Apr 28 09:38 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Insecticide firms in secret bid to stop ban that could save bees | Environment | The Observer .::. Size~: 132.02 KB | Apr 28 09:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Very Urgent: Reduce military spending http://ur1.ca/dkoqz | Apr 28 09:55 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Is the NHS safe in his hands? - http://bit.ly/17qpuJB well-written article about tragic destruction of #NHS (v @marcuschown) | Apr 28 10:20 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Is the NHS safe in his hands? | Express Comment | Comment | Daily Express .::. Size~: 99.88 KB | Apr 28 10:20 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Imprisonment and death of Sergei Magnitsky http://ur1.ca/dkpk0 | Apr 28 10:55 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Carbon-neutral by 2025 http://ur1.ca/dkqa3 | Apr 28 12:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Scientists on brink of #HIV cure - http://bit.ly/Z9qTPp hmm: let's hope so... (v @mpesce @PME2013 @williamcrawley) #health | Apr 28 12:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Farmers will lose their livelihoods http://ur1.ca/dkr1u | Apr 28 12:56 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] 3D-films http://ur1.ca/dkrry | Apr 28 13:56 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Heavy use of herbicide #Roundup linked to health dangers-U.S. study - http://reut.rs/ZVvLHW important if confirmed #monsanto | Apr 28 14:21 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Heavy use of herbicide Roundup linked to health dangers-U.S. study | Reuters .::. Size~: 86.12 KB | Apr 28 14:21 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Glyphosate’s Suppression of Cytochrome P450 Enzymes & Amino Acid Biosynthesis: Pathways 2 Modern Diseases - http://bit.ly/189IZVp #monsanto | Apr 28 14:25 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Obama's Grand Sell-out. http://ur1.ca/dksm5 | Apr 28 14:58 | |
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| iophk | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22320282 | Apr 28 14:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: BBC News - Iceland vote: Centre-right opposition wins election .::. Size~: 81.44 KB | Apr 28 14:58 |
| iophk | pirate party wins 3 seats | Apr 28 14:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt280/@lnxwalt280] RT @jpope Time to wake the !coffee pot. | Apr 28 15:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt280/@lnxwalt280] #YoCo time. Eating #yogurt and brewing #coffee. | Apr 28 15:40 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] !GNU !Linuxlibre 3.8.10-gnu source tarballs and patches have been available for ~24 h, sorry I forgot to announce | Apr 28 15:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Urgent: Thatcher's legacy, support Green party http://ur1.ca/dktgd | Apr 28 15:58 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt280/@lnxwalt280] I won't have many chances to use that word. Isn't it popularly called "restless leg syndrome"? | Apr 28 16:05 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt280/@lnxwalt280] 138 updates available on #Sabayon lappy. #updates_Sunday | Apr 28 16:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt280/@lnxwalt280] Finished my #yogurt, but still working on the #coffee. #YoCo | Apr 28 16:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Bradley Manning is off limits at SF Gay Pride parade, but corporate sleaze is embraced http://goo.gl/As7ds | Apr 28 16:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Industry-proposed royal charter further from Leveson than anything before http://goo.gl/R4bxp | Apr 28 16:55 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Bradley Manning is off limits at SF Gay Pride parade, but corporate sleaze is embraced | Glenn Greenwald | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 142.58 KB | Apr 28 16:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Industry-proposed royal charter further from Leveson than anything before | Claire Enders | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 119.33 KB | Apr 28 16:55 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Urgent: Reject the Keystone XL http://ur1.ca/dkubf | Apr 28 17:00 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt280/@lnxwalt280] #DOMCrypt is an extension to expose NSS #crypto functions to the browser, accessible via Javascript. http://is.gd/QhXSjA #security #pgp #gpg | Apr 28 17:06 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Italy's first black minister attacked by Northern League - http://bit.ly/11NOrwx that didn't take long (v @LifeinSicily) #racism | Apr 28 17:10 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Italy's first black minister attacked by Northern League | World news | The Guardian .::. Size~: 117.6 KB | Apr 28 17:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @fisl: Já inscreveu sua palestra? O prazo termina em 28.04, domingo! #fisl14 http://ur1.ca/dkuih http://ur1.ca/dkuil | Apr 28 17:11 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The rise of patent monetization entities: situation in the EU and UPC developments - http://bit.ly/11Pimmx more patent trolls in EU? | Apr 28 17:15 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The IPKat: The rise of patent monetization entities Part Three: situation in the EU and UPC developments .::. Size~: 137.93 KB | Apr 28 17:15 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] New blog post: Two weeks under LCHF and I feel fine! http://ur1.ca/dkusg | Apr 28 17:36 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Two weeks under LCHF and I feel fine! | FU-BAR .::. Size~: 36.28 KB | Apr 28 17:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Are #Geeks the New Guardians of Our Civil Liberties? - http://bit.ly/11uGw5k they have been since Richard Stallman... #freesw #rms | Apr 28 17:46 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Are Geeks the New Guardians of Our Civil Liberties? | Q&A | BillMoyers.com .::. Size~: 38.16 KB | Apr 28 17:46 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #China's Going To Build Massive #4G Mobile Networks—Snubbing EU Companies In Process - http://read.bi/12EdyBU no surprise (v @africatechie) | Apr 28 17:56 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: China's To Start Building 4G Networks - Business Insider .::. Size~: 140.22 KB | Apr 28 17:56 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Michael Jackson trial pits family against concert organiser AEG Live - http://bit.ly/10LHSh1 "$40bn wrongful death lawsuit"; uh-huh | Apr 28 18:00 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: New Michael Jackson trial pits family against concert organiser AEG Live | Music | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 130.69 KB | Apr 28 18:00 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Global scientists back 10-year moratorium on field trials of Bt food crops - http://bit.ly/ZtIQM1 "well-argued, scientific & fair" #india | Apr 28 18:06 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Global scientists back 10-year moratorium on field trials of Bt food crops - The Hindu .::. Size~: 76.14 KB | Apr 28 18:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Man accused of placing GPS device on victim’s car before burglarizing her home - http://ars.to/ZtJcCy at least he didn't use a drone... | Apr 28 18:08 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Man accused of placing GPS device on victim’s car before burglarizing her home | Ars Technica .::. Size~: 35.95 KB | Apr 28 18:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Congratulations Leadnow.ca & the Hupacasath First Nation on hitting your goal of $150,000 to fight #FIPA #FIPPA !CDNpoli !Canada | Apr 28 18:45 | |
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| iophk1 | http://falkvinge.net/2013/04/28/icelandic-pirate-party-wins-enters-parliament/ | Apr 28 18:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Icelandic Pirate Party WINS, Enters Parliament - Falkvinge on Infopolicy .::. Size~: 269.58 KB | Apr 28 18:58 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Derivatives take precedence http://ur1.ca/dkvxv | Apr 28 19:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] NYT "From Calm Leadership, Lasting Change" http://ur1.ca/dkvxn Sadly there is still plenty of #pesticide and #lobbyists | Apr 28 19:01 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] yesterday: http://identi.ca/attachment/75752729 | Apr 28 19:05 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] spring is here: http://identi.ca/attachment/75752746 | Apr 28 19:06 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] leashed cat: http://identi.ca/attachment/75752765 | Apr 28 19:13 | |
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| fretwizzen | Bilk asked me to come here. What is his IRC name? | Apr 28 20:30 |
| MinceR | msb__ | Apr 28 20:30 |
| fretwizzen | Thank you | Apr 28 20:31 |
| MinceR | np | Apr 28 20:31 |
| fretwizzen | Is he here often? | Apr 28 20:31 |
| msb__ | fretwizzen: Hello! | Apr 28 20:31 |
| fretwizzen | I suspect my messages to him may be getting forged | Apr 28 20:31 |
| fretwizzen | Have you been emailing me msb | Apr 28 20:31 |
| fretwizzen | Or is that a forgery? | Apr 28 20:31 |
| fretwizzen | I take it no emails? | Apr 28 20:33 |
| fretwizzen | If so I have made a grave mistake. | Apr 28 20:33 |
| msb__ | fretwizzen: The ip-address that you're chatting from here -- 64.62.244.54 -- reports from nslookup as a nonexistent domain. | Apr 28 20:33 |
| fretwizzen | Sorry for the cloak and dagger but I have had to move from the abuse my family was getting. I am in semi-hiding so certain people can not find me. | Apr 28 20:34 |
| fretwizzen | http://whois.domaintools.com/64.62.244.54 | Apr 28 20:34 |
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| fretwizzen | It exists | Apr 28 20:34 |
| fretwizzen | Have you been emailing me via a gmail account? | Apr 28 20:35 |
| msb__ | No, you have been emailing me from a gmail account. | Apr 28 20:36 |
| fretwizzen | Good. Yours is Comcast. | Apr 28 20:36 |
| msb__ | Correct. | Apr 28 20:36 |
| fretwizzen | I am testing to see if you are who you claim you are. | Apr 28 20:36 |
| fretwizzen | Are these logs made public? | Apr 28 20:36 |
| msb__ | You know I am. I put a temporary "Hello Steve" message at the bottom of my cosmicpenguin.com homepage for you to see. | Apr 28 20:37 |
| fretwizzen | I did see that. | Apr 28 20:37 |
| msb__ | And you called me at my listed phone number. | Apr 28 20:37 |
| fretwizzen | I also know that web pages can be altered by man in the middle attacks. | Apr 28 20:38 |
| msb__ | But you used an untraceable "burner phone" which I could not call back to. | Apr 28 20:38 |
| fretwizzen | Did you hear of the ISP in Texas that was adding ads to major websites? | Apr 28 20:38 |
| fretwizzen | I prefer to talk on Usenet and keep things there. | Apr 28 20:39 |
| fretwizzen | Open but I do not share anything private. | Apr 28 20:39 |
| msb__ | My phone number listing, phone number, ip-address traceroute, ip-address headers in my e-mails and usenet posts all match. | Apr 28 20:39 |
| msb__ | fretwizzen: You provide _none_ of those things. | Apr 28 20:39 |
| fretwizzen | I sent you an email with my real IP in the headers. | Apr 28 20:39 |
| msb__ | Really? Please tell me which e-mail and quote the header here. | Apr 28 20:40 |
| fretwizzen | I will not quote the header here but I stated which one in the email. | Apr 28 20:40 |
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| msb__ | Most suspicious is when I told you in confidential e-mail something that gave Snit (whom you claim to oppose) an advantage in the debate that Snit and I are having in COLA, and you immediately posted that confidential information to COLA. | Apr 28 20:41 |
| fretwizzen | Sent April 26. Text includes "By the way check my IP. I am currently living in XX and you will see this from my headers." | Apr 28 20:41 |
| fretwizzen | Do you prefer to keep discussions in COLA? | Apr 28 20:42 |
| msb__ | When I've asked you two or three times why you betrayed me like that, you have never given me a straight answer, but instead have just gotten huffy. | Apr 28 20:42 |
| fretwizzen | When was the last time you checked your email? | Apr 28 20:43 |
| fretwizzen | There has been no betrayal. | Apr 28 20:43 |
| msb__ | Why did you post that confidential info from me to COLA? | Apr 28 20:43 |
| fretwizzen | I know how to handle Snit. I have been tracking him for 10 years. | Apr 28 20:43 |
| msb__ | Why did you post that confidential info from me to COLA? | Apr 28 20:43 |
| fretwizzen | There as nothing confidential. Everything I posted blew up on Snit. | Apr 28 20:44 |
| fretwizzen | But if you prefer we can keep all discussions to COLA. | Apr 28 20:44 |
| fretwizzen | That was my stated preference right from the start. | Apr 28 20:44 |
| fretwizzen | Check your email | Apr 28 20:45 |
| fretwizzen | There are things I can not share here. | Apr 28 20:45 |
| fretwizzen | I believe this is made publicly available. | Apr 28 20:45 |
| msb__ | No. The info was about how my previous description of the PBS WTC construction movie was a bit inaccurate. To Snit, that is powerful ammunition. And you immediately posted it to Usenet where he could see it. Why did you do that? Please give me a straight answer. | Apr 28 20:46 |
| fretwizzen | What made you think my domain did not exist? | Apr 28 20:46 |
| msb__ | That's what nslookup says -- server can't find 54.244.62.64.in-addr.arpa.: NXDOMAIN | Apr 28 20:46 |
| fretwizzen | Snit attacked you on it and you turned it around on him. Keep doing that. Take every point in his list and shove it down his throat. If there are some you can not turn around skip them and then keep shoving his errors at him. | Apr 28 20:47 |
| fretwizzen | He will stop posting to you. | Apr 28 20:47 |
| msb__ | Why did you post that confidential info from me to COLA? | Apr 28 20:47 |
| fretwizzen | I show you the link above where it does exist. | Apr 28 20:47 |
| msb__ | Why did you post that confidential info from me to COLA? | Apr 28 20:47 |
| MinceR | msb__: that nslookup response merely means that there's no PTR record for that ip address | Apr 28 20:47 |
| fretwizzen | I am teaching you how to beat Snit. He makes big lists of "facts". There are some true statements in what he says but lots of padding lies. Attack the lies and the whole house of cards falls down. | Apr 28 20:48 |
| msb__ | fretwizzen: Why did you post that confidential info from me to COLA? | Apr 28 20:48 |
| MinceR | there might be a domain name that resolves to it but it was not revealed | Apr 28 20:48 |
| MinceR | it does not mean that the IP address itself does not exist | Apr 28 20:48 |
| fretwizzen | I posted what I did to help you do as I described in beating Snit. | Apr 28 20:49 |
| fretwizzen | I have been doing it for 10 years. | Apr 28 20:49 |
| msb__ | MinceR: Thanks. Traceroute does find a partial routing for it. | Apr 28 20:49 |
| MinceR | np | Apr 28 20:49 |
| fretwizzen | I can also give you his employers name and email address. | Apr 28 20:49 |
| MinceR | whois can also give you valuable info on IP addresses | Apr 28 20:49 |
| fretwizzen | Also his wife's name and email address as well as his family members | Apr 28 20:49 |
| msb__ | fretwizzen: Why didn't ask me before posting that confidential info from me to COLA? | Apr 28 20:49 |
| fretwizzen | I thought we were in agreement in how to stop Snit. Sorry if I crossed a boundry. | Apr 28 20:50 |
| fretwizzen | Snit also posted some crap which was not true. Check his claimed headers and you can see they are forged. The IP addresses are not even true. Did you send that to him? | Apr 28 20:50 |
| msb__ | You thought I had agreed that you could post to COLA confidential info that I sent to you in e-mail??? | Apr 28 20:50 |
| fretwizzen | I thought we were working together to get Snit off your back. | Apr 28 20:51 |
| msb__ | That's what I thought too. | Apr 28 20:51 |
| msb__ | But when and how did I ever agree that you could post to COLA confidential info that I sent to you in e-mail??? | Apr 28 20:52 |
| fretwizzen | Do as I say. Take his lists and find the weakest points. Destroy those. Even if there are some points you can not destroy the whole list is ruined. Snit is not bright enough to figure out to use your own words. He uses his own "summaries" where are inevitably wrong. | Apr 28 20:52 |
| msb__ | But when and how did I ever agree that you could post to COLA confidential info that I sent to you in e-mail??? | Apr 28 20:52 |
| fretwizzen | I saw you did this to him with TruTV. | Apr 28 20:52 |
| msb__ | But when and how did I ever agree that you could post to COLA confidential info that I sent to you in e-mail??? | Apr 28 20:52 |
| fretwizzen | I though we had an agreement and a plan. If I was wrong I apologize. | Apr 28 20:52 |
| fretwizzen | Do you prefer keeping discussions to COLA as I suggested? | Apr 28 20:53 |
| formic_ | lol | Apr 28 20:53 |
| msb__ | That posting is something that only Snit would do! | Apr 28 20:53 |
| fretwizzen | If this is what you think then we should keep discussions to COLA. | Apr 28 20:53 |
| msb__ | formic_: Yeah, it is pretty funny -- a tempest in a teapot. | Apr 28 20:53 |
| msb__ | fretwizzen: No, if that's what I think then I shouldn't have anything to do with you. | Apr 28 20:54 |
| fretwizzen | My suggestion was to keep in in COLA to avoid this type of confusion. I am happy to go back to that. | Apr 28 20:54 |
| fretwizzen | Then before we post to COLA we should get direct verification from the other. | Apr 28 20:55 |
| msb__ | But you told me that Snit was forging messages in COLA to appear to be from you. | Apr 28 20:55 |
| fretwizzen | In terms of anything we say to each other that is. | Apr 28 20:55 |
| fretwizzen | He has been doing so. Check the headers and you can tell which are his. He uses 10.8. I use 10.7 | Apr 28 20:55 |
| msb__ | The only verification I can think of is a listed landline, and you say you don't have a phone. | Apr 28 20:55 |
| msb__ | No, a previous COLA article, which I pointed out to you, said OS 10.7, but was obviously by its content from Snit. | Apr 28 20:56 |
| fretwizzen | I no longer have a phone. | Apr 28 20:57 |
| msb__ | I asked you for an explanation of that, also, but you ignored my question. | Apr 28 20:57 |
| fretwizzen | Which post/ | Apr 28 20:57 |
| fretwizzen | If their is no trust here then we go back to talking just in COLA. | Apr 28 20:57 |
| fretwizzen | I have told you of some of Snit's connections. Things are not as clear cut as they seem. | Apr 28 20:58 |
| fretwizzen | Do not repeat info in this forum. | Apr 28 20:58 |
| msb__ | There's no trust in COLA either, because he can forge his headers there. | Apr 28 20:58 |
| fretwizzen | What do you suggest? | Apr 28 20:58 |
| fretwizzen | I have Snit where I want him. He no longer responds to me. | Apr 28 20:59 |
| msb__ | I've asked you to have a prolonged phone conversation with me, but you refused. | Apr 28 20:59 |
| fretwizzen | If you want help getting him to drop you from his targets I can. | Apr 28 20:59 |
| fretwizzen | If I am right though he has you in his sites. | Apr 28 20:59 |
| fretwizzen | Have you checked your emails/ | Apr 28 20:59 |
| msb__ | I don't care about Snit. When he posts the same crap seven times in half an hour he looks like an idiot. | Apr 28 21:00 |
| fretwizzen | I need to leave in a minute. | Apr 28 21:00 |
| msb__ | All I do is tell the truth. | Apr 28 21:00 |
| msb__ | Too bad. I'll check my mail. | Apr 28 21:00 |
| fretwizzen | Snit is making your comments seem like lies. He has his lists which someone skimming the group will see over and over. | Apr 28 21:00 |
| fretwizzen | To prove it is you please respond even if it is only with an acknowledgement of receipt. | Apr 28 21:01 |
| msb__ | Yep, lists of trivial questions which he can add to any time he wants. | Apr 28 21:01 |
| msb__ | Hold on. | Apr 28 21:01 |
| fretwizzen | Take the easiest to answer and shove it in his face. | Apr 28 21:01 |
| msb__ | btw, doesn't your irc client show my ip-address? | Apr 28 21:02 |
| fretwizzen | Do not reveal any contents of that email here. | Apr 28 21:02 |
| fretwizzen | No | Apr 28 21:02 |
| fretwizzen | Wait. Yes it does. | Apr 28 21:02 |
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| fretwizzen | IP seems legit. | Apr 28 21:03 |
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| fretwizzen | Stallman is right to not trust phones. | Apr 28 21:03 |
| msb__ | Your second email is about something you received a message about. And, no, it means nothing to me. | Apr 28 21:04 |
| fretwizzen | OK good | Apr 28 21:04 |
| fretwizzen | Is the description accurate in terms of you? | Apr 28 21:05 |
| msb__ | I figure my phone is tapped by the government because of my website. | Apr 28 21:05 |
| fretwizzen | Almost surely it is. | Apr 28 21:05 |
| fretwizzen | I know mine was and I have no such website. | Apr 28 21:05 |
| fretwizzen | I did add info to another out of country. Someone else Snit used to attack in CSMA about his CSS and other nonsense. | Apr 28 21:06 |
| fretwizzen | I showed you where Snit was able to get some major sites to alter their info to "prove" his claims. | Apr 28 21:06 |
| msb__ | What, in the Wayback Machine? | Apr 28 21:07 |
| fretwizzen | Yes | Apr 28 21:07 |
| fretwizzen | What is shows is not always accurate. | Apr 28 21:07 |
| fretwizzen | Please keep info here vague. | Apr 28 21:07 |
| msb__ | That description in your second e-mail could apply to almost anyone. | Apr 28 21:07 |
| fretwizzen | Some of it can but there are also rather specific details. | Apr 28 21:08 |
| fretwizzen | Please do watch for what I suggested. I hope you see nothing and it seems like you will not. | Apr 28 21:09 |
| msb__ | And how about the so-and-so's in that what-and-what's that you warned me about? When I asked you who they were, you just told me to shaddupa my face. | Apr 28 21:09 |
| fretwizzen | If you do then watch yourself. | Apr 28 21:09 |
| fretwizzen | I can not discuss those in detail. They are generally signs of an organization. They could also change their looks but from what I have heard they have those details to better identify each other. | Apr 28 21:10 |
| msb__ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFacWGBJ_cs | Apr 28 21:11 |
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| fretwizzen | When I was in another state I saw them all the time. Their were different cars with that description parked within a few houses of mine almost every day. It was very creepy. Sometimes there were people in them but often not. I also had lots of cars following me that fit that description. Far more than you would expect by chance. | Apr 28 21:11 |
| msb__ | And this was because you were fighting Snit? | Apr 28 21:12 |
| fretwizzen | Not just that. | Apr 28 21:12 |
| fretwizzen | There is a New York organization I used to investigate. Left New York years ago. | Apr 28 21:13 |
| _Goblin | lol..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSRF3slguhI | Apr 28 21:13 |
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| fretwizzen | Snit has some powerful family members. Even as the joke of his family they wish was never born they can protect him. | Apr 28 21:14 |
| fretwizzen | Not quite like MiB. :) | Apr 28 21:14 |
| _Goblin | Bilkie....come on , you know I have little time for your nonsense, but even I'm not cruel enough to allow you to be played like this in a public forum.....get a grip here... | Apr 28 21:15 |
| fretwizzen | I am not playing. | Apr 28 21:15 |
| fretwizzen | I am not saying that some mysterious MiB group is stalking him and is going to wipe his memory with a light. | Apr 28 21:16 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] rofl #5liveinvestigates talking about #fraud while being funded by a taxpayer fraud #TVLicence #publicservicebroadcasting | Apr 28 21:16 | |
| fretwizzen | Most of what Bilk says can be verified independently. | Apr 28 21:16 |
| fretwizzen | He has done his research. | Apr 28 21:16 |
| fretwizzen | Snit has found what he thinks are holes. Bilk should shoot down even just a few of them and get Snit off his back. | Apr 28 21:17 |
| msb__ | The 9-11 research is very solid, and is now on hundreds of websites. | Apr 28 21:17 |
| fretwizzen | Living in NY I do wonder how many of the people there are from Earth. :) | Apr 28 21:17 |
| fretwizzen | I think we all have a shared interest in making sure Snit is known to be a complete crackpot | Apr 28 21:18 |
| fretwizzen | Find the weakest of his points and tear them apart. | Apr 28 21:18 |
| msb__ | fretwizzen: I refuted all of them weeks ago. He just made up more of them. | Apr 28 21:19 |
| msb__ | I have better things to do with my time | Apr 28 21:20 |
| fretwizzen | I have seen his list. Hold on. | Apr 28 21:20 |
| msb__ | Yeah, he posts it about 50 times a day. | Apr 28 21:20 |
| fretwizzen | Even Snit admitted you found a flaw in one. Keep reminding him of that. Then show him how many others are wrong. | Apr 28 21:21 |
| fretwizzen | http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/msg/f5f1ea5cd79d199d | Apr 28 21:21 |
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| msb__ | _Goblin: Timmie, that MIB video is great. I love it where the monster is dancing too. And Linda Fiorentino -- wowie! | Apr 28 21:21 |
| fretwizzen | He will be forced to say not just one was wrong but 5 or 6 or 10. Then his house of cards crumbles and he shuts up about this. | Apr 28 21:22 |
| msb__ | fretwizzen: No. As I said, he'll just come up with more. | Apr 28 21:22 |
| fretwizzen | If he does not just repeat the same info about how many places he is wrong. | Apr 28 21:22 |
| fretwizzen | Does not matter if he comes up with more. You have a list of ones he has admitted he was wrong about. Then he has to change his story. | Apr 28 21:23 |
| fretwizzen | He ends up being dead in the water. | Apr 28 21:23 |
| fretwizzen | If you have a list of mistakes he has made keep repeating them back to him. | Apr 28 21:24 |
| msb__ | fretwizzen: I have more important ways to spend my time. Snit's behavior in COLA makes him look like a moron. That's fine with me. | Apr 28 21:25 |
| _Goblin | sorry...tuned out there.... | Apr 28 21:25 |
| fretwizzen | Why do you think Snit no longer responds to me? | Apr 28 21:25 |
| _Goblin | msb__, thats the first thing you've said which I can fully stand behind | Apr 28 21:25 |
| fretwizzen | Sure Snit looks like an idiot because he is one. He is also taking you down with him. | Apr 28 21:26 |
| _Goblin | fretwizzen, well if he doesn't respond, is that not good? | Apr 28 21:26 |
| fretwizzen | It is great that Snit does not respond to me. | Apr 28 21:26 |
| _Goblin | If I was a betting man, I'd say theres a damn good chance the erstwhile fretwizzen is the same person as the Steve Caroll nym on COLA. | Apr 28 21:27 |
| msb__ | Snit isn't "taking me down" any more than all the other people who are so brainwashed by years of govt/media lies that they can't even access the 9/11 research info, and don't care about the 2,000,000 people murdered by the US govt after 9-11. | Apr 28 21:27 |
| fretwizzen | Do a search for your name and your site. You will find Snit's seeding of his own info. | Apr 28 21:28 |
| msb__ | _Goblin: Well, Steve Carroll and fretwizzen say they are the same person. | Apr 28 21:28 |
| _Goblin | oh I didn't know.... | Apr 28 21:28 |
| _Goblin | I just caught the end of the drama. | Apr 28 21:28 |
| fretwizzen | Goblin, I will not say. :) | Apr 28 21:28 |
| fretwizzen | The MiB might be watching. | Apr 28 21:29 |
| formic_ | goblin is one of them | Apr 28 21:29 |
| formic_ | ties with the masons | Apr 28 21:29 |
| _Goblin | shhhh | Apr 28 21:29 |
| fretwizzen | Goblin, how do you feel about Snit's list of herd behavior he posts? | Apr 28 21:29 |
| _Goblin | an obvious bait to annoy people he dislikes. | Apr 28 21:30 |
| msb__ | There are dozens of smears against me found on google. They originate from Microsoft agents like flatfish and from COINTELPRO agents trying to discredit the 9-11 research. I have a web page about the latter. | Apr 28 21:30 |
| fretwizzen | Shoot it down. Prove just some of the points wrong. He will stop. | Apr 28 21:30 |
| _Goblin | msb__, Flatfish was smearing people long before you turned up and about many different topics...... | Apr 28 21:30 |
| msb__ | http://cosmicpenguin.com/911/disinfo.html | Apr 28 21:31 |
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| fretwizzen | I do not think he is paid my Microsoft | Apr 28 21:31 |
| _Goblin | thats why I call him a MS advocate. | Apr 28 21:31 |
| _Goblin | you'll never prove if he's paid.... | Apr 28 21:31 |
| _Goblin | but he certainly has a promote MS agenda. | Apr 28 21:31 |
| msb__ | Flatfish has been attacking Linux in cola since 1998, IIRC. | Apr 28 21:32 |
| _Goblin | which would be fine in a MS group.......the fact that he insults people personally to do it, isn't. | Apr 28 21:32 |
| fretwizzen | Bilk does a great job screwing with them about being paid but he is not serious about it | Apr 28 21:32 |
| msb__ | fretwizzen: Of course I'm serious about it. | Apr 28 21:32 |
| _Goblin | of course....... | Apr 28 21:32 |
| fretwizzen | Really? | Apr 28 21:32 |
| fretwizzen | You think MS pays them? | Apr 28 21:33 |
| _Goblin | but delivery is off completely..... and his theories about 911 right or wrong are easy pickings for a MS advocate to cheapen. | Apr 28 21:33 |
| _Goblin | and have nothing to do with Linux/Microsoft or free software. | Apr 28 21:33 |
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| msb__ | I point out that several of them have posted more than 30,000 anti-Linux messages each, and nobody would do that no matter how crazy they are without being paid. | Apr 28 21:33 |
| fretwizzen | I think you underestimate insanity | Apr 28 21:34 |
| _Goblin | or have a business interest in MS succeeding..... | Apr 28 21:34 |
| _Goblin | for example a computer repair chap speciallizing in windows malware is hardly going to be happy about Linux.....for example. | Apr 28 21:34 |
| _Goblin | there's thousands of reasons...... | Apr 28 21:34 |
| _Goblin | or he could merely be insane. | Apr 28 21:34 |
| fretwizzen | Insanity. It is what keeps Snit going. | Apr 28 21:35 |
| _Goblin | nope. attention from people like yourself. | Apr 28 21:35 |
| sebsebseb | hi _Goblin | Apr 28 21:35 |
| sebsebseb | :) | Apr 28 21:35 |
| sebsebseb | long time no chat | Apr 28 21:35 |
| msb__ | 30,000 messages each is a lot of insanity, and there are at least a dozen of them that are over 10,000 each. | Apr 28 21:35 |
| fretwizzen | I keep on his ass to make him even more insane. | Apr 28 21:35 |
| _Goblin | snit loves an argument - I believe this is based in a desire to debate. Unfortunately Snit, like many others has a delivery issue and gets into these long running overblown disputes. | Apr 28 21:35 |
| fretwizzen | He did some major wrongs to me in the past and I do not forgive easily. | Apr 28 21:35 |
| fretwizzen | Goblin, gee, really? :) | Apr 28 21:36 |
| fretwizzen | He is also completely insane and can not make a reasoned argument to save his life. | Apr 28 21:36 |
| _Goblin | I'm sorry fretwizzen but just like if Michael made such claims, I would stay out of it.....not my business its for you two to sort out without dragging everyone else in. | Apr 28 21:36 |
| fretwizzen | He used to go on about Bush being a war criminal. Insanity. | Apr 28 21:36 |
| fretwizzen | Snit is destroying COLA. | Apr 28 21:37 |
| msb__ | fretwizzen: Bush _is_ a war criminal! | Apr 28 21:37 |
| _Goblin | I am (apparently according to Flatfish) a cross dressing metrosexual who attends fetish clubs in luton and works for a costume jewelry shop......I don't drag you into that do i? | Apr 28 21:37 |
| fretwizzen | He has destroyed other groups and is doing the same there. | Apr 28 21:37 |
| fretwizzen | Goblin, aren't we all? :) | Apr 28 21:38 |
| _Goblin | If youre opinion doesn't agree with Flatfish, then most probably. | Apr 28 21:38 |
| msb__ | fretwizzen: It's Microsoft's agents that have destroyed COLA. | Apr 28 21:38 |
| fretwizzen | Bush is no more of a war criminal than any of the last 20 presidents. | Apr 28 21:38 |
| fretwizzen | Snit is able to get things going to insane levels. Look at how much things have gone down since he joined the group. | Apr 28 21:39 |
| _Goblin | msb__, why couldn't it be norton agents for example? | Apr 28 21:39 |
| _Goblin | msb__, surely its in there interest to keep Windows alive? | Apr 28 21:39 |
| fretwizzen | I need to run. Will try to come back later. | Apr 28 21:39 |
| _Goblin | or even Adobe? | Apr 28 21:39 |
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| _Goblin | they want to flog you Photoshop.....it aint on Linux, they don't want to develop it for Linux and don't want to invest in making it fully wine compliant.... | Apr 28 21:40 |
| _Goblin | why couldn't it be Adobe? | Apr 28 21:40 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: 30 minute talk oppertunity :d | Apr 28 21:40 |
| _Goblin | hi sebsebseb how are you? | Apr 28 21:41 |
| msb__ | Well, let's see. We have Truman who nuked Japan when he knew they wanted to surrender. Clinton who attacked Serbia using Al-CIA-DUH and then bombed them OBomber, who destroyed Libya and is now attacking Syria (and continuing Bush's attacks on Iraq and Afghanistan). They are all mass murderers -- war criminals. | Apr 28 21:41 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: coming up for me in front of a load of people :d | Apr 28 21:41 |
| _Goblin | msb__, what about Blair? | Apr 28 21:41 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I only really done about five minutes by so far the most public speaking so hmm | Apr 28 21:41 |
| _Goblin | :) | Apr 28 21:41 |
| sebsebseb | about five minutes by most | Apr 28 21:41 |
| sebsebseb | ,but should be alright | Apr 28 21:41 |
| sebsebseb | wanted to do a longer talk at OGG Camp last year, but then things went wrong that weekend instead | Apr 28 21:42 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: yep I am alright | Apr 28 21:42 |
| _Goblin | I bet you've had much experience since we last talked? How long has it been? 6 months, a year? | Apr 28 21:42 |
| sebsebseb | for public speaking no not really, but I did join this like club or well will be for that | Apr 28 21:42 |
| sebsebseb | did a talk there the other week about this lovely desert I had in Belgium :d | Apr 28 21:42 |
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| _Goblin | and if you can recall our conversation all those months ago..... I was right wasn't I? | Apr 28 21:42 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: went on the HPR new years podcast to for example :d | Apr 28 21:42 |
| sebsebseb | you were right about what ? | Apr 28 21:43 |
| sebsebseb | this local event is coming up again where I did a talk last year | Apr 28 21:43 |
| _Goblin | about getting involved and how well you'd taken to it. | Apr 28 21:43 |
| sebsebseb | if I play the game right who knows could lead into loads of other oppertunites :d | Apr 28 21:43 |
| sebsebseb | or a few at least | Apr 28 21:43 |
| msb__ | To the extent of Brit participation in the mass murder in Iraq, Blair too. | Apr 28 21:43 |
| _Goblin | msb__, Blair was complicit...... | Apr 28 21:44 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: potential emlployeers in audiance you see etc etc well should be | Apr 28 21:44 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: some at least | Apr 28 21:44 |
| _Goblin | msb__, I may not agree with your 911 theories, but I am a George Galloway supporter......met him personally on many occasions. | Apr 28 21:44 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: only thing is if it's a room I get longer, and it's not in fornt of everyone, if I have a lightnign talk again it's in front of like everyone, but then really short | Apr 28 21:44 |
| _Goblin | Next thing you'll be working for Canonical! ;) | Apr 28 21:45 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: so I got a LUG to talk about for lke 10 minutes, and then the plan is to, do a more general Linux opensource/freesoftware type one for the 30 minutes | Apr 28 21:45 |
| sebsebseb | well 30 minutes or so including any Q&A | Apr 28 21:45 |
| msb__ | _Goblin: Timmie, they are not "my theories". They are the result of solid scientific research, presented on hundreds of websites, and understood by tens of millions of people. | Apr 28 21:45 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: Canonical don't think so, since Mageia yeah | Apr 28 21:45 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: ,but there is some LInux interset around here and stuff like that | Apr 28 21:46 |
| sebsebseb | I was thinking a kind of like mini autobiogrpahy about myself | Apr 28 21:46 |
| sebsebseb | when it comes to how I got invovled, and certian expereinces I have had | Apr 28 21:46 |
| sebsebseb | I mean some people will remember me there from last year | Apr 28 21:46 |
| msb__ | Yes, Galloway is great! | Apr 28 21:46 |
| sebsebseb | and like a general focus on Linux opensource/freesoftware in general, and how it can lead to certain oppertnites and such | Apr 28 21:46 |
| sebsebseb | and what that means, events etc | Apr 28 21:46 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: and a bit about how I got into computer stuff, and a bit about why I decided to get invovled with Mageia to some extent here and there, and stuff like that | Apr 28 21:47 |
| sebsebseb | I Mean I got 30 minutes | Apr 28 21:47 |
| sebsebseb | so want to do something nice and general | Apr 28 21:47 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: already got slides from OGG Camp last year on a USB stick here one of them, so I got like a slides basis already, my idea from last year, the one that never happended since yeah | Apr 28 21:48 |
| sebsebseb | so I'll make similar slides for the event that's coming up and :) | Apr 28 21:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] If you're going to be where I'm going to be in the USA I'd love to see you: http://ur1.ca/dkye5 | Apr 28 21:48 | |
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| sebsebseb | _Goblin: do some practice runs in my headset and should be alright yeah | Apr 28 21:48 |
| sebsebseb | and go out there with loads of exitement and such like last time :d | Apr 28 21:48 |
| sebsebseb | and remember that lke everyone watching actsauly wants to be there, they choose to be there, so really are my audiance :d | Apr 28 21:49 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: now I think I need to get hold of one of those newer Mageia t-shirst at least if possibel, the bluer ones, would go better with my black jeans I guess :d than the older black t-shirt | Apr 28 21:50 |
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| _Goblin | I'm returning to Sabayon.... | Apr 28 22:00 |
| _Goblin | since the family have tablets et al, the desktop machine no longer needs to be Ubuntu (which the family loved and used to use regularly) | Apr 28 22:01 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Monsanto exerts power over Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics http://ur1.ca/dkymo | Apr 28 22:03 | |
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| formic_ | sabayon is so slow tho tbh | Apr 28 22:04 |
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| _Goblin | formic_, I'll get back to you on that...its been a few years... | Apr 28 22:10 |
| _Goblin | here..... | Apr 28 22:11 |
| _Goblin | let me run this one past the group...... | Apr 28 22:11 |
| _Goblin | it will be interesting to gauge opinion....been having a very interesting debate on the topic.... | Apr 28 22:11 |
| _Goblin | Proprietary gaming - Good or bad? | Apr 28 22:12 |
| _Goblin | and why? | Apr 28 22:12 |
| MinceR | can be good, but free software gaming is better | Apr 28 22:12 |
| MinceR | relatively little rests on your freedom in this case, but modding is good | Apr 28 22:12 |
| MinceR | and no game is as moddable as the free software one | Apr 28 22:12 |
| MinceR | especially if the assets are free as well | Apr 28 22:13 |
| _Goblin | MinceR, would you agree or disagree though that the gaming industry is a very different fish to the utility one... | Apr 28 22:13 |
| _Goblin | IMO: Games are consumed, transient and of short life.... Utilities have users. | Apr 28 22:14 |
| _Goblin | and are generally the foundation for years of computing. | Apr 28 22:14 |
| MinceR | different, but not sure about the "very" bit | Apr 28 22:14 |
| MinceR | especially if you put resources into modding | Apr 28 22:14 |
| _Goblin | but the consumer doesn't do much modding (in a sense other than level editing) | Apr 28 22:15 |
| _Goblin | and FOSS titles are hardly friendly to the gamer who wants to mod | Apr 28 22:15 |
| _Goblin | (any more or less than a proprietary title) | Apr 28 22:15 |
| MinceR | actually, more so | Apr 28 22:15 |
| _Goblin | what proprietary or FOSS? | Apr 28 22:15 |
| MinceR | you get to change the game engine itself and you get to redistribute the game with your mod if you want to | Apr 28 22:16 |
| _Goblin | but the bulk of the gamers, the consumers don't have these skills.... | Apr 28 22:16 |
| MinceR | they get to use the mods | Apr 28 22:16 |
| _Goblin | and does a game really last long enough to invest the time to use the mods.... | Apr 28 22:16 |
| MinceR | another point is DRM & co. | Apr 28 22:16 |
| _Goblin | have you a FOSS example of great modding? | Apr 28 22:16 |
| _Goblin | (btw DRM aside, because yes that is awful) | Apr 28 22:16 |
| MinceR | not sure of mods, but xonotic looks very moddable to me | Apr 28 22:17 |
| MinceR | hm, iirc there was some good modding of sauerbraten | Apr 28 22:17 |
| _Goblin | "some good" but is this a title thats captured the hearts and minds of the gamer. | Apr 28 22:17 |
| MinceR | i did some quake modding myself and i can see that xonotic has all that capability and more | Apr 28 22:17 |
| _Goblin | Alien Arena is great.....but it isn't COD and people want COD | Apr 28 22:17 |
| _Goblin | and are there any FOSS games that are not still WIP? | Apr 28 22:18 |
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| _Goblin | (and I mean modern titles the consumer wants) | Apr 28 22:18 |
| MinceR | Spring/XTA didn't look WIP at all | Apr 28 22:18 |
| _Goblin | not heard of that title. | Apr 28 22:18 |
| MinceR | i don't know what that "consumer" wants and i don't care much -- they'll get their locked-down console games :> | Apr 28 22:19 |
| MinceR | also, dumbed-down | Apr 28 22:19 |
| _Goblin | yes but games (unlike utils) are disposable.... | Apr 28 22:19 |
| _Goblin | I won't be playing Space Marine in 10 years time | Apr 28 22:19 |
| _Goblin | I will be using OO | Apr 28 22:19 |
| MinceR | FPS games can be developed incrementally | Apr 28 22:19 |
| MinceR | and they often are | Apr 28 22:20 |
| _Goblin | but then you also have the issue of the arts....I don't want to play Alien Arena with a dodgy looking character, I want to play something from the Warhammer universe. | Apr 28 22:20 |
| MinceR | then you're stuck with paying GW | Apr 28 22:21 |
| _Goblin | and I don't want to start playing whilst its still in development.... The consumer wants it complete, they want it now and they want it with cut scenes and music scores. | Apr 28 22:21 |
| MinceR | and their licensees | Apr 28 22:21 |
| _Goblin | or alternatively I'm stuck with a FPS that doesn't have the characters I want to play. | Apr 28 22:21 |
| MinceR | i don't care for cutscenes | Apr 28 22:21 |
| _Goblin | no, bad example. | Apr 28 22:21 |
| _Goblin | I hate them too | Apr 28 22:21 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 28 22:22 |
| _Goblin | especially the ones you can't skip. | Apr 28 22:22 |
| _Goblin | infact ironically.......the only complete FOSS gaming I've seen are the emulator projects that emulate proprietary software from yesteryear. | Apr 28 22:22 |
| _Goblin | Eternal lands - Great RPG - still WIP | Apr 28 22:22 |
| _Goblin | Rizcom - Great RPG - still WIP | Apr 28 22:23 |
| _Goblin | Tux Racer - Fun little game - is that finished yet? | Apr 28 22:23 |
| MinceR | i don't know it | Apr 28 22:23 |
| _Goblin | a game by nature won't keep your interest over years and years whilst its forked, worked on a modded to a final product. | Apr 28 22:23 |
| _Goblin | I just think the gaming model is not suited to a FOSS ethos.....thats partly (or mostly due to the consumer and the disposable nature of gaming) | Apr 28 22:24 |
| MinceR | there were some nice free doom ports too (though the assets are obviously nonfree) | Apr 28 22:24 |
| _Goblin | also....If I am restricted to GW and Space Marine, what harm is there? Its very different to be stuck with MS Office and file formats for my docs which are not compatible.... In a years time I won't want to look at Space Marine again. | Apr 28 22:25 |
| MinceR | i think FPS doesn't have to be disposable and is thus a good fit for free gaming | Apr 28 22:25 |
| MinceR | indeed, it's different | Apr 28 22:25 |
| MinceR | even if you have only your memories to show for it, you had fun | Apr 28 22:26 |
| _Goblin | ironic that the "FOSS" FPS titles - many have a proprietary origin. | Apr 28 22:26 |
| MinceR | indeed | Apr 28 22:26 |
| _Goblin | and looking at FOSS FPS..they are hardly to the standard of say KillZone... | Apr 28 22:26 |
| formic_ | or Battlefield 3 | Apr 28 22:26 |
| _Goblin | or infact even a console game of 4 years ago | Apr 28 22:26 |
| _Goblin | yep | Apr 28 22:26 |
| MinceR | i don't know killzone | Apr 28 22:26 |
| MinceR | and i don't care much for non-futuristic, non-fantasy FPS | Apr 28 22:27 |
| formic_ | even Half Life 2 is ahead of FOSS games | Apr 28 22:27 |
| formic_ | came out in 2004 | Apr 28 22:27 |
| MinceR | they're much more limited | Apr 28 22:27 |
| _Goblin | sorry....think.....er futuristic FPS......a little like gears of war or Halo... | Apr 28 22:27 |
| formic_ | doom3 is open source now, but nobody touches it | Apr 28 22:27 |
| _Goblin | formic_, agreed.... | Apr 28 22:27 |
| _Goblin | and why? Because to make a successful game (or one that is demanded by a consumer) you need something very different to the FOSS way of working.... | Apr 28 22:28 |
| MinceR | depends on what you want -- to sell games or to have fun | Apr 28 22:28 |
| _Goblin | I mean Alien Arena is available for all platforms....so why are people prepared to pay for COD (and que outside of shops) yet not wanting to download AA for free. | Apr 28 22:28 |
| formic_ | COD is better | Apr 28 22:29 |
| _Goblin | yep. | Apr 28 22:29 |
| _Goblin | and why? | Apr 28 22:29 |
| _Goblin | its complete | Apr 28 22:29 |
| MinceR | CoD is better known | Apr 28 22:29 |
| _Goblin | its polished. | Apr 28 22:29 |
| _Goblin | MinceR, yep | Apr 28 22:29 |
| _Goblin | but unlike say trying to convince someone to remove windows and install linux, AA is available on all formats. | Apr 28 22:29 |
| MinceR | also, AA seems to have nonfree assets | Apr 28 22:30 |
| formic_ | when it comes to creative work, paid devs do a better job | Apr 28 22:30 |
| _Goblin | plenty of indi android games get past the PR of larger devs. | Apr 28 22:30 |
| formic_ | their job depends on it | Apr 28 22:30 |
| _Goblin | why? | Apr 28 22:30 |
| _Goblin | word of mouth | Apr 28 22:30 |
| MinceR | formic_: yeah, that worked out so well for OS development | Apr 28 22:30 |
| formic_ | I wouldn't say thats creative work | Apr 28 22:30 |
| _Goblin | I think in respect of gaming though thats correct | Apr 28 22:30 |
| MinceR | yet their job depended on it | Apr 28 22:30 |
| _Goblin | David Braben.... | Apr 28 22:30 |
| _Goblin | I look at WOW and compare it to (I believe) all MMORG's available on Linux (as I believe I've tried them all)....... there's no great things to be had with the FOSS titles, no experiences like the proprietary WOW, sure you have to pay, but then its a personal choice for me....pay for WOW or don't. | Apr 28 22:32 |
| _Goblin | I'm exampling BTW I played WOW years ago....no longer. | Apr 28 22:32 |
| _Goblin | funnily enough, I removed myself from what people would say was "locked in" WOW....and found the alternatives which were free, lacking... | Apr 28 22:33 |
| _Goblin | of course, the same can't be said with Utility/operating system and maybe the idea of FOSS gaming will become more moot as the PC gamer migrates to consoles. | Apr 28 22:34 |
| MinceR | let them | Apr 28 22:35 |
| MinceR | most of them seem to be OK with dumbed-down, DRM-encrusted, bug-ridden games | Apr 28 22:36 |
| MinceR | that can't be modded | Apr 28 22:36 |
| MinceR | people even got used to controlling an FPS with a gamepad :> | Apr 28 22:36 |
| formic_ | steam workshop :P | Apr 28 22:36 |
| formic_ | I got plenty of mods for torchlight 2 | Apr 28 22:36 |
| _Goblin | but DRM on the consoles doesn't have an impact...in respect of the experience... | Apr 28 22:36 |
| _Goblin | not like Sim-Shitty for example | Apr 28 22:37 |
| MinceR | if it really doesn't, they'll make it worse | Apr 28 22:37 |
| _Goblin | MinceR - Little Big Planet....a good example of a proprietary title where moding can and does happen. | Apr 28 22:37 |
| _Goblin | and thats all the consumer demands.... | Apr 28 22:38 |
| formic_ | fun game | Apr 28 22:38 |
| formic_ | you can use the eye toy to capture IRL items | Apr 28 22:38 |
| _Goblin | I got annoyed with it.... | Apr 28 22:38 |
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| _Goblin | I do like the mechanics....rather clever.....but the modding? | Apr 28 22:38 |
| _Goblin | what happened there...? | Apr 28 22:38 |
| _Goblin | give the average user the ability to be creative, let them post their "work" online..... | Apr 28 22:39 |
| _Goblin | and you get.... | Apr 28 22:39 |
| _Goblin | a right load of b*ll*cks | Apr 28 22:39 |
| _Goblin | Maybe I've managed to talk myself out of the idea that modding is good.... | Apr 28 22:39 |
| MinceR | if you can choose which mods to use, it doesn't matter if the average is crap | Apr 28 22:40 |
| MinceR | besides, Sturgeon's Law applies | Apr 28 22:40 |
| _Goblin | on LBP its rather difficult, so many people thinking they are being creative.... | Apr 28 22:40 |
| _Goblin | yep....ban modding...thats my new stance now ;) | Apr 28 22:40 |
| _Goblin | its like when you get a highlevel language like GMC released.... everyone thinks they are a coder, goes out and is creative and you get an influx of complete pap | Apr 28 22:41 |
| MinceR | o_O | Apr 28 22:41 |
| _Goblin | I remember DarkBasic Pro too.....oh the horror. | Apr 28 22:41 |
| MinceR | "ban modding" is like "ban development by independent developers" | Apr 28 22:42 |
| _Goblin | AMOS on the Amiga....how we laughed at people using that....until the PD scene was flooded with 1000's of titles of rubbish. | Apr 28 22:42 |
| MinceR | also, i know that the best doom levels i've ever played were mods | Apr 28 22:42 |
| _Goblin | I was sort of being sarcastic! :) | Apr 28 22:42 |
| _Goblin | at the expense of LBP | Apr 28 22:43 |
| MinceR | ic | Apr 28 22:43 |
| _Goblin | closed src served the Amiga demoscene very well...infact you wouldn't have had the competition without it. | Apr 28 22:43 |
| _Goblin | and some of the boundary pushing of the hardware would never have ocurred if we were not trying to get one over on each other.... | Apr 28 22:44 |
| MinceR | getting one over the other is possible with free software | Apr 28 22:45 |
| _Goblin | Ah...the phenomena cube with a 3d plane on each of its faces, rotating in a star field.........happy times. | Apr 28 22:45 |
| _Goblin | but not sharing the code (as in the demo scene) meant we didn't rely on modifying anothers, we had to solve our own problems. | Apr 28 22:45 |
| _Goblin | and came up with many unique solutions which I don't believe would have happened if the demoscene worked off a FOSS ethos. | Apr 28 22:46 |
| MinceR | and you came up with the same solution over and over | Apr 28 22:46 |
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| _Goblin | not really because it was all to do with outdoing others. | Apr 28 22:46 |
| MinceR | lots of wasted effort | Apr 28 22:46 |
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| _Goblin | for example.... | Apr 28 22:46 |
| _Goblin | the 4 level paralax scroll. | Apr 28 22:46 |
| _Goblin | you couldn't release your own, you had to go one better. | Apr 28 22:47 |
| _Goblin | the rotating cube.... | Apr 28 22:47 |
| _Goblin | the scrolling text.... | Apr 28 22:47 |
| _Goblin | the compression of code.... | Apr 28 22:47 |
| MinceR | even if you could see how it was done, everyone would already know who did it first | Apr 28 22:47 |
| _Goblin | thats why you had to outdo... | Apr 28 22:47 |
| MinceR | in fact, the code would have attribution | Apr 28 22:47 |
| MinceR | so where's the advantage of closed code? | Apr 28 22:47 |
| _Goblin | because of the competition between crews....they saw one crew push the boundaries and they pushed them further. | Apr 28 22:48 |
| _Goblin | instead of looking at someone elses solution, you had to create your own. | Apr 28 22:48 |
| _Goblin | made for variety and an exciting demoscene. | Apr 28 22:49 |
| _Goblin | and also made better coders... | Apr 28 22:49 |
| _Goblin | instead of the highlevel language cut and pasters we have today with dev tools that hold hands | Apr 28 22:49 |
| _Goblin | Devpac2, Dpaint and a soundtracker util were all we had. | Apr 28 22:50 |
| _Goblin | unlike today. | Apr 28 22:50 |
| MinceR | so you're saying that the free software community is just a bunch of "cut and pasters"? | Apr 28 22:50 |
| _Goblin | no....not at all. | Apr 28 22:50 |
| _Goblin | of course in utility world its very different....you have file standards, compatibility with other packages expectations of other FOSS users. | Apr 28 22:51 |
| MinceR | that is not all that free software is about. | Apr 28 22:51 |
| _Goblin | but really, is there much innovation left in utilities (compared to that of the demoscene of yesteryear) | Apr 28 22:51 |
| MinceR | indeed, there is | Apr 28 22:52 |
| _Goblin | MinceR, of course, and the demoscene was a very different thing to what we have today...my point being though... | Apr 28 22:52 |
| _Goblin | as coding has become more friendly, more hand holding (and theres a google answer for everything) we have brought in a generation of coders with dimished skills compared to yesteryear. | Apr 28 22:52 |
| _Goblin | For example: | Apr 28 22:52 |
| _Goblin | Can anyone honestly name a coder of recent times who in any way compares to the achievement of David Braben (Elite) | Apr 28 22:53 |
| MinceR | allowing people to learn doesn't diminish their skills | Apr 28 22:53 |
| _Goblin | no, but I do think it lowers standards.... | Apr 28 22:53 |
| MinceR | don't allow them to lower yours :> | Apr 28 22:54 |
| _Goblin | how many great coders of today can you name? compared to the 80's 90's | Apr 28 22:54 |
| _Goblin | MinceR, my coding days died with the Amiga. | Apr 28 22:54 |
| MinceR | not sure, i always paid more attention to the software than the people | Apr 28 22:54 |
| _Goblin | exactly...and I'd suggest one of the reasons for that is the "wow" factor has gone. | Apr 28 22:54 |
| _Goblin | If I asked you to make a space invaders game in the language of your choice it would take you what, an hour? | Apr 28 22:55 |
| MinceR | great software is more important than the "wow" factor | Apr 28 22:55 |
| MinceR | especially considering how far software development got since then | Apr 28 22:55 |
| MinceR | making another space invaders is not an interesting task | Apr 28 22:56 |
| _Goblin | Now if I took you back to the late 80's and gave you devpac 2 how long would that take you to code it in a68k | Apr 28 22:56 |
| MinceR | even if you had no access to the code of preexisting implementations | Apr 28 22:56 |
| MinceR | so, less effective development is a good thing? :> | Apr 28 22:56 |
| _Goblin | coders today (and this is generally) in my view... know "how" to do something but don't know "why" it works. | Apr 28 22:56 |
| MinceR | not the good ones. | Apr 28 22:57 |
| _Goblin | youre hobbyist coder has no clue about what is going on under the hood... | Apr 28 22:57 |
| MinceR | on the long run it's pretty easy to tell if someone is just copying | Apr 28 22:57 |
| _Goblin | and even today you have "Professional Coders"....coders that use VB? that's professional? I wonder how many of them actually now how the computer is executing their highlevel code. | Apr 28 22:57 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 28 22:58 |
| MinceR | don't blame free software for that :> | Apr 28 22:58 |
| MinceR | vb is m$'s fault, and their followers' | Apr 28 22:58 |
| _Goblin | I spoke to a "coder" a professional who couldn't say the difference between an interpreter and compiler. | Apr 28 22:58 |
| _Goblin | MinceR, to be fair I'm not specifically blaming FOSS, I'm blaming the entire "coding" culture of today. | Apr 28 22:59 |
| _Goblin | I think its the loss of core skills thats the problem... | Apr 28 22:59 |
| _Goblin | people want to jump in and code COD on their first week of learning a language... | Apr 28 23:00 |
| MinceR | it could simply be that there's so much demand for new code | Apr 28 23:00 |
| _Goblin | why would they want to learn about the stack? | Apr 28 23:00 |
| MinceR | but no great increase on the number of skilled developers | Apr 28 23:00 |
| MinceR | s/on/in/ | Apr 28 23:00 |
| _Goblin | PUSH and POP...they believe thats a confectionary | Apr 28 23:00 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 28 23:01 |
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| _Goblin | msb__, to be fair and on the record I think Snit is taking this way to far with COLA and it is seeding Google, however on the other hand you didn't really help yourself since your delivery of your opinion (and its off-topic nature) was hardly going to met with anything else in COLA. | Apr 28 23:20 |
| msb__ | _Goblin: Once again Timmie, it's not "my opinion", it's the result of scientific/engineering research and investigation. | Apr 28 23:21 |
| _Goblin | msb__, well if you agree with it and promote it, it is your opinion... | Apr 28 23:22 |
| _Goblin | msb__, without going back to a 911 debate theres arguments both sides, if there wasn't I'm sure it would be more than you posting in COLA about. | Apr 28 23:23 |
| _Goblin | msb__, and without dampening your links, some of which have been rather dubious to say the least.... | Apr 28 23:23 |
| msb__ | And since flatfish is constantly bringing it up, and since it was used as the false justification for murdering 2,000,000 innocent people, I think it's worthwhile talking about. Even if most of the COLA regulars are brainwashed zombies in this area. | Apr 28 23:23 |
| _Goblin | msb__, if you said the world was a sphere and happened to use Linux, he would post about it. | Apr 28 23:24 |
| _Goblin | msb__, as I said before apparently according to him, I'm a cross dresser. | Apr 28 23:24 |
| _Goblin | msb__, and see, you prove my point.... | Apr 28 23:24 |
| _Goblin | msb__, people who don't agree with you are "brainwashed regulars" | Apr 28 23:25 |
| msb__ | _Goblin: If it's the result of scientific/engineering research and investigation and I also agree with it, then stating that it's "my opinion" is an attempt to weaken and discredit it. | Apr 28 23:25 |
| _Goblin | msb__, thats not the way to present your point of view...it gets peoples backs up and regardless if you have something interesting to say you will be ignored. | Apr 28 23:25 |
| _Goblin | msb__, no its not....if it was as clear cut as you say it is, why is it only you in COLA agreeing with the evidence? | Apr 28 23:26 |
| _Goblin | msb__, as I say, I don't want to go there with you again, so lets just refer to evidence in general... | Apr 28 23:26 |
| _Goblin | msb__, but why, are so few people with your opinion if its so obvious? | Apr 28 23:27 |
| msb__ | Yes. People who aren't even willing to read through a couple of websites, and who don't care about 2,000,000 people being murdered ARE brainwashed zombies. Brainwashed by govt/NWO propaganda via TV and newspapers. | Apr 28 23:27 |
| _Goblin | msb__, I don't watch tv. I support George Galloway who certainly is a free thinker.....why am I brainwashed then? | Apr 28 23:27 |
| _Goblin | msb__, I think Tony Blair should be tried for warcrimes. I also think the rich classes have major influence over the politics of this country to the point of criminality (thats been proved too)....so how come I can't go with your evidence? | Apr 28 23:28 |
| msb__ | _Goblin: You are brainwashed about many, but not all, areas of reality. | Apr 28 23:28 |
| _Goblin | and how does that work? | Apr 28 23:28 |
| _Goblin | I don't buy into the media at all....any of it. | Apr 28 23:29 |
| msb__ | _Goblin: Then why do you reject the 911 research results? | Apr 28 23:29 |
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| msb__ | _Goblin: Find a hardline down there in the Matrix, call us up and tell us. | Apr 28 23:30 |
| _Goblin | msb__, because of the scope of what is expected of us to believe..... there's been small conspiracies in the past, known by a few people that have leaked out...something as big as the 911 one couldn't possibly be held out as it would involve too many people...thats just for starters. | Apr 28 23:30 |
| _Goblin | Please don't mention the Matrix...... I'm very opinionated on the movie of the same name....I come out in hives. | Apr 28 23:31 |
| msb__ | It took decades for the Gulf of Tonkin fraud to come out. And that was used to murder 4,000,000 people. | Apr 28 23:32 |
| _Goblin | yes but it certainly wasn't on the scale of what is suggested in 911.... and it was 4,000,000 people killed not involved in a conspiracy. | Apr 28 23:33 |
| msb__ | _Goblin: Maybe there's too much of Cypher in you. | Apr 28 23:33 |
| _Goblin | like I say I don't want to go down the 911 route because it will just generate bad feeling....the point I make.... | Apr 28 23:33 |
| _Goblin | is regardless of what you believe/know/want to promote, the delivery of how you do it is completely off, and if your true intention is to enlighten people (and not turn them away) then I strongly suggest you look at how you approach people with the topic. | Apr 28 23:34 |
| msb__ | Twice as many murdered, and in both cases none were involved in the lie. | Apr 28 23:34 |
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| _Goblin | maybe the approach should be....and a point we can both hopefully agree on is.... many people were tragically killed on 911. | Apr 28 23:36 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: see my pm | Apr 28 23:36 |
| msb__ | I could spend weeks navigating the infinite-dimensional belief space between the false propaganda matrix and reality. I don't have the time, and it would mean 50 times as much off-topic postings to COLA. I just rely on the fact that a few percent of the 60,000+ cola readers are able to think. | Apr 28 23:37 |
| _Goblin | "infinite-dimensional belief space between the false propaganda matrix and reality. " - My point about delivery exactly....you could have everything completely right but with statements like that you just turn people away | Apr 28 23:39 |
| msb__ | Even among the regulars, I think Homer, 7, and one other understand. That's probably about 10% of the Linux users. Not bad at all. | Apr 28 23:39 |
| _Goblin | "I just rely on the fact that a few percent of the 60,000+ cola readers are able to think." - Not only insulting to people but also after the reception you have recieved from 90% of the people who post there, how likely do you think that there are many of the 60,000 people any different. | Apr 28 23:39 |
| _Goblin | msb__, I wouldn't count on it..... and I think that if they did have the same view as you they would distance themselves from you because of your delivery (as above) | Apr 28 23:40 |
| _Goblin | anyway, why COLA? | Apr 28 23:40 |
| _Goblin | Why not G+ and use #tags? You will reach a far larger audience. | Apr 28 23:41 |
| msb__ | _Goblin: Timmie, I speak the truth. I don't sugar-coat it. People who think can understand it. | Apr 28 23:41 |
| _Goblin | and you can even block snit from fouling up your posts (or anyone else) | Apr 28 23:41 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: oh yeah seems I forgot to tell you | Apr 28 23:41 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: as of yesterday I have a Rassbery Pi | Apr 28 23:41 |
| msb__ | G+ is people-oriented, not subject-oriented. I don't like it. | Apr 28 23:42 |
| _Goblin | Theres not sugar coating it and theres adding lines in like "infinite-dimensional belief space between the false propaganda matrix and reality." - Do you really think the average reader, the masses are going to in any way relate to that in order to see your message? | Apr 28 23:42 |
| _Goblin | msb__, thats what #tags are for. | Apr 28 23:42 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] hardly a consolation... | Apr 28 23:43 | |
| msb__ | _Goblin: It's a concept I just thought of today, and I think a good one. If they don't understand it they can look it up. They'll learn something. | Apr 28 23:43 |
| _Goblin | msb__, come on. You know I don't agree with you, yet you must see how your dimensional remark turns the average person away (the person I assume you wish to enlighten) | Apr 28 23:43 |
| _Goblin | would you, (if you had no previous knowledge on the subject) think it quite normal to read a strangers posts with that in it? | Apr 28 23:44 |
| _Goblin | and also, do you think that maybe you should stop insulting people with brainwashed type comments if you want them to pay attention? | Apr 28 23:45 |
| _Goblin | this is basics in courtesy.....and if you can't do that how can you expect people to be interested in what you say? | Apr 28 23:45 |
| msb__ | _Goblin: I doubt that I can reach the average, terribly brainwashed/programmed, person. Alex Jones talks to them about 4 hours every day. He does well. | Apr 28 23:45 |
| _Goblin | so what makes you think the readers of COLA are any different from any other community? | Apr 28 23:45 |
| _Goblin | why don't you tackle the Apple forums with this? or how about the coding newsgroups? | Apr 28 23:46 |
| msb__ | They're intelligent enough to resist Microsoft's propaganda. | Apr 28 23:46 |
| _Goblin | ok, why are you not approaching the FOSS coding relating newsgroups? | Apr 28 23:46 |
| _Goblin | msb__, well I've resisted Microsoft propaganda.....according to you though Im probably not intelligent enough not to be brainwashed. | Apr 28 23:47 |
| msb__ | If I saw a person who had a slug eating their brain, do you think I should refrain from telling them out of "politeness"? | Apr 28 23:47 |
| _Goblin | infact I've had 1/2 million hits to my site in a year on the basis of resisting Microsoft propaganda. | Apr 28 23:47 |
| msb__ | I don't know that intelligence comes into it that much. | Apr 28 23:47 |
| _Goblin | no, but you can tell them politely and thats a very bad example. | Apr 28 23:48 |
| msb__ | It's an accurate example -- a good analogy. | Apr 28 23:48 |
| _Goblin | you want to enlighten people. Try by relating to them in normal terms which don't look odd, try relating to them without being rude....right or wrong, you may get somewher. | Apr 28 23:48 |
| _Goblin | You really can't see the problem here can you? | Apr 28 23:49 |
| msb__ | _Goblin: I have lots of links to videos made by other people near the top of my homepage -- cosmicpenguin.com. Maybe you should view some of them. | Apr 28 23:50 |
| msb__ | They're probably more accessible to brainwashed people. | Apr 28 23:50 |
| _Goblin | I do view them, but as I say I want to put aside 911 for a second and enlighten you as to why you have met with little success and you've managed to offend/insult many people who would have other wise supported your freedom of opinion. | Apr 28 23:51 |
| msb__ | They go a shorter distance in the infinite vectorspace, and do it more gradually. | Apr 28 23:51 |
| _Goblin | They go a shorter distance in the infinite vectorspace, and do it more gradually. - And who on earth will relate to that, brainwashed or not? Can you not see that 911 opinions aside, that statement makes you look odd? You are destroying any chance of being taken seriously with comments like that. | Apr 28 23:52 |
| msb__ | _Goblin: Yeah, sure. You, Timmie, enlighten me. You who can't even keep me straight in your mind from EnderNNN. | Apr 28 23:52 |
| _Goblin | Anyone here, anyone at all think that statement makes him look anything but odd regardless of what his point of view was? | Apr 28 23:52 |
| _Goblin | I'm sorry I got you mixed up with another whom had poor manners and what I considered as an outlandish viewpoint....again...you can't see it can you? | Apr 28 23:53 |
| msb__ | _Goblin: One little problem Timmie. The idea that "being odd" is a bad thing is a big part of the brainwashing. | Apr 28 23:53 |
| _Goblin | you can't even accept (and I've said nothing here to take away from your opinion)...that your delivery looks odd. | Apr 28 23:54 |
| msb__ | Also named by Wilhelm Reich "the Emotional Plague" | Apr 28 23:54 |
| _Goblin | no.....odd is not a bad thing at all..... but I am telling you your comments are turning people away | Apr 28 23:54 |
| _Goblin | is this attention seeking? Do you want to be laughed at and disliked? Personally I'd like to see you deliver your opinion without being ridiculed and laughed at. I might not agree but it would be an interesting debate and get your points across. | Apr 28 23:55 |
| _Goblin | I've had sensible conversations with people who believe Area 51 holds aliens....I don't agree at all, but they did so in a polite and coherent way. | Apr 28 23:56 |
| _Goblin | and they didn't come out with strange statements distracting from the points they were trying to make. | Apr 28 23:56 |
| msb__ | _Goblin: Oh and I forgot. You are so unaware that you are trying out Scientology, which was exposed in the 1990s in one of the biggest battles between Internet folks and a bunch of vicious wealthy psychopaths. | Apr 28 23:56 |
| _Goblin | yes...but you've missed a bit out haven't you? | Apr 28 23:57 |
| _Goblin | again, rude, aggressive.... | Apr 28 23:57 |
| _Goblin | As you well know, I've no intention in becoming one, I wanted to find out for myself what it was about... | Apr 28 23:57 |
| msb__ | You mean the people they've murdered? It was probably less than ten. | Apr 28 23:58 |
| _Goblin | I'm G+ing all the steps and even cracked a few jokes about there being no aliens yet. | Apr 28 23:58 |
| msb__ | _Goblin: Timmie, in some ways you already _are_ one. | Apr 28 23:58 |
| _Goblin | msb__, I'm doing more than you. Instead of reading the words of others, I'm looking into it myself. | Apr 28 23:58 |
| _Goblin | I'm quite sure I won't find the answer to any murder conspiracy, but I will be able to answer some questions I've had on Scientology | Apr 28 23:59 |
| msb__ | _Goblin: Lovely. If you have a cat or dog, you'd better keep it indoors from now on. | Apr 28 23:59 |
| _Goblin | and thats how things should work....opinion by personal experience. | Apr 28 23:59 |
| _Goblin | msb__, well, if there is something dodgy about Scientology I'm doing far more than you about it, | Apr 28 23:59 |
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