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| roy_ | > Hi, Roy, | Jul 16 01:01 |
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| roy_ | > | Jul 16 01:01 |
| roy_ | > Mono is not gone even though it's mostly out of the news. Here is | Jul 16 01:01 |
| roy_ | > what is being pushed about it lately: | Jul 16 01:01 |
| roy_ | > | Jul 16 01:01 |
| roy_ | > http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/features/mono-lost-in-translation | Jul 16 01:01 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Mono – Lost in Translation | Linux User .::. Size~: 64.14 KB | Jul 16 01:01 |
| roy_ | > | Jul 16 01:01 |
| roy_ | > I wonder what kind of nastiness is in the works over at Xamarin. | Jul 16 01:01 |
| roy_ | > | Jul 16 01:01 |
| roy_ | > Last I checked Mint was infected with Mono by default and the | Jul 16 01:01 |
| roy_ | > repositories for Debian and Ubuntu. But the defaults for Ubuntu and | Jul 16 01:01 |
| roy_ | > Debian are clean. | Jul 16 01:01 |
| roy_ | Really? I thought Debian with the GNOME DE was still infected. I saw mono when I upgraded Debian for example. | Jul 16 01:01 |
| roy_ | > Hi, Roy, | Jul 16 01:06 |
| roy_ | > | Jul 16 01:06 |
| roy_ | > I hope the meeting with RMS has gone well. | Jul 16 01:06 |
| roy_ | Yes, it was sad to see him in a way. His hearing is weak,there is a massive scar on his arm indicating he had a serious surgery, and he is obese,. thus incapable of even dealing with his shoes easily. I offered to help him and put his left sock on, then helped with the shoes. | Jul 16 01:06 |
| roy_ | RMS is not having a life of glamour. He walks around and travels like a humble (but somewhat bitter) man whom the world has betrayed. | Jul 16 01:06 |
| roy_ | > Techweek, via slashdot, is shilling for M$ again: | Jul 16 01:06 |
| roy_ | > | Jul 16 01:06 |
| roy_ | > http://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/13/07/15/127231/current-doctor-who-warns-against-facebook | Jul 16 01:06 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Current Doctor Who Warns Against Facebook - Slashdot .::. Size~: 285.76 KB | Jul 16 01:06 |
| roy_ | I'll take a look. | Jul 16 01:06 |
| roy_ | First comment: | Jul 16 01:07 |
| roy_ | "Use it or don't. Plenty of celebrities fall on both sides of the fence. Some love their privacy. Some embrace the public light and social media for all it's worth. This doesn't need to be a slashdot post." | Jul 16 01:07 |
| roy_ | Me: | Jul 16 01:07 |
| roy_ | "doesn't use Facebook or Twitter, despite his geek icon status." | Jul 16 01:07 |
| roy_ | What a stupid statement to be made. | Jul 16 01:07 |
| roy_ | > Hi, Roy, | Jul 16 01:08 |
| roy_ | > | Jul 16 01:08 |
| roy_ | > The "Linux Format" magazine, issue 172, includes a DVD with a remix of | Jul 16 01:08 |
| roy_ | > Ubuntu 13.04 with the spyware features removed and a nod to RMS. It's | Jul 16 01:08 |
| roy_ | > not available online as far as I know, only by mail subscription or | Jul 16 01:08 |
| roy_ | > newsstand. Their efforts to promote Gnu/Linux and privacy are to be | Jul 16 01:08 |
| roy_ | > commended. | Jul 16 01:08 |
| roy_ | The guys in charge now are OK. The editor recently wrote some things about "free software" and "freedom", so he 'gets' the F word. | Jul 16 01:08 |
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| schestowitz | >> Really? I thought Debian with the GNOME DE was still infected. I | Jul 16 08:40 |
| schestowitz | >> saw mono when I upgraded Debian for example. | Jul 16 08:40 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 16 08:40 |
| schestowitz | > I just checked Debian 7.1 Wheezy and you're right, it's infected with | Jul 16 08:40 |
| schestowitz | > Mono if you use tasksel to install the desktop software. I missed it | Jul 16 08:40 |
| schestowitz | > because I've always (for a decade or more) unchecked that box and | Jul 16 08:40 |
| schestowitz | > manually installed a better Desktop Environment. Certainly it is a | Jul 16 08:40 |
| schestowitz | > nasty and unwelcome surprise. | Jul 16 08:40 |
| schestowitz | IIRC, Caninical acquired (hired) the MOno booster from Debian, based on what I saw in LinkedIn. | Jul 16 08:40 |
| schestowitz | > It seems tied only to Tomboy. Interestingly, when you uninstall Mono, | Jul 16 08:41 |
| schestowitz | > wheezy seems to automatically replace it with Gnote. That's something | Jul 16 08:41 |
| schestowitz | > that should have been done in the default distro, to save space and | Jul 16 08:41 |
| schestowitz | > Freedom and all the other regular reasons. | Jul 16 08:41 |
| schestowitz | How can removal result in an install? Are you sure? | Jul 16 08:41 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/PowerEnhanced/status/357041471498633217 | Jul 16 08:42 |
| TechrightsBot | Not a tweet? | Jul 16 08:42 |
| schestowitz | " yes, you can use more granularity of permissions... Even so, I don't need a cloud app for managing all my relationships." | Jul 16 08:42 |
| schestowitz | People use sites like FB to create and promote fake image of themselves, e.g. popularity | Jul 16 08:42 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2847267 | Jul 16 08:43 |
| TechrightsBot | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Why you shouldn't worry that the NSA is inside Android's code http://www.zdnet.com/why-you-shouldnt-worry-that-the-nsa-is-inside-androids-code-7000018040/ #nsa #privacy #android | Jul 16 08:43 |
| TechrightsBot | -> Title: Why you shouldn't worry that the NSA is inside Android's code | ZDNet .::. Size~: 66.55 KB | Jul 16 08:43 |
| schestowitz | "If "severe embarrassment" were a reason for the NSA to not do something they wouldn't be doing what they've already been caught doing. Come on, that's weak reasoning." | Jul 16 08:43 |
| schestowitz | >> How can removal result in an install? Are you sure? | Jul 16 09:03 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 16 09:03 |
| schestowitz | > Pretty sure, I don't have it on the screen any more but when I | Jul 16 09:03 |
| schestowitz | > uninstalled 'mono-runtime' it removed a bunch of mono stuff. Then it | Jul 16 09:03 |
| schestowitz | > continued on to install gnote, something I had not requested. If you | Jul 16 09:03 |
| schestowitz | > want the exact message, I can run the installation / deinstallation again. | Jul 16 09:03 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 16 09:03 |
| schestowitz | > I'm wondering what went wrong with the Debian team that they allowed | Jul 16 09:03 |
| schestowitz | > Mono in there at all. | Jul 16 09:03 |
| schestowitz | If they replace something rather than remove, then it's worth writing some article about, but somehow I just find it hard to believe. | Jul 16 09:03 |
| schestowitz | > Debian should be made clean again. It used to be the distro that was | Jul 16 09:48 |
| schestowitz | > most about Freedom. I guess that crown has now moved to Trisquel and | Jul 16 09:48 |
| schestowitz | > Gnewsense instead. | Jul 16 09:49 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 16 09:49 |
| schestowitz | > Below is a capture from the terminal of a freshly installed Debian 7.1 | Jul 16 09:49 |
| schestowitz | > (Wheezy) system. I used the debian-7.0.0-i386-netinst.iso image from | Jul 16 09:49 |
| schestowitz | > their web site. I'll keep a snapshot of that VM around for a day so | Jul 16 09:49 |
| schestowitz | > if more is needed. | Jul 16 09:49 |
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