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schestowitz https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2763296Jun 24 03:53
TechrightsBot@benfell@disunitedstates.com: So I just looked again.      Identi.ca is *still* on statusnet. With a site notice saying the conversion is to happen sometime this week.      I've previously called 'farce.'      Now I'm calling 'bullshit.'Jun 24 03:53
schestowitzI'm not a gamer, but I take it you mean by that that it's barely functional. Jun 24 03:53
schestowitz  Jun 24 03:53
schestowitzI don't know. I did try an installation here and got hung up on some undocumented detail (if memory serves, it had to do with the database driver where they say the disk driver is probably suboptimal but then fail to explain how to configure anything else).Jun 24 03:53
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TechrightsBot@ii_try@pod.orkz.net: #Image #Picture #Photo - #Sphinx of Giza, #EgyptJun 24 03:53
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schestowitz"I really appreciate this shot, its the first time I really got the scale of the Sphinx."Jun 24 03:54
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schestowitzinterview ready:Jun 24 12:56
schestowitz> RSS: As I said before, I think the plan was mostly to focus on thingsJun 24 12:56
schestowitz> that we haven't touched before and primarily things to do withJun 24 12:56
schestowitz> privacy. I think we were -- and many people were -- advocating forJun 24 12:56
schestowitz> freedom in technology were proven to be correct in the sense that onJun 24 12:56
schestowitz> the issue of privacy and freedom everything seems to be very symbioticJun 24 12:56
schestowitz> and I think in recent weeks we found that more and more people haveJun 24 12:56
schestowitz> woken up to the fact that they need to assure they can control theirJun 24 12:56
schestowitz> software.Jun 24 12:56
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schestowitz> RMS: It's not just about what happens in your computer. With FreeJun 24 12:56
schestowitz> software you control what happens in your computer, but of courseJun 24 12:56
schestowitz> there are other systems of snooping. The NSA is setting up snoopingJun 24 12:56
schestowitz> that we have been reading about recently. They don't work throughJun 24 12:56
schestowitz> software in your computer. So, what this shows is, a) they haveJun 24 12:56
schestowitz> {users must have}Jun 24 12:56
schestowitz> control over the software in your computer; b) we need to workJun 24 12:56
schestowitz> politically to make sure that the software that's not in our computerJun 24 12:56
schestowitz> - -- the systems that are not ours -- are nonetheless not being used toJun 24 12:56
schestowitz> snoop on us.Jun 24 12:56
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schestowitz> RSS: I think information is increasingly being used to changeJun 24 12:56
schestowitz> behaviour in people and also to distort the ways of communicationJun 24 12:56
schestowitz> between entities and I think that routers, for example, play a role inJun 24 12:56
schestowitz> the way in which we interact with computers, so I wonder what yourJun 24 12:56
schestowitz> take is on the [snooping] in routers, many of them [are] Cisco ones.Jun 24 12:56
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schestowitz> RMS: Ed Snowden, I think, said that the NSA takes control of routersJun 24 12:56
schestowitz> in order to monitor Internet traffic in other countries.Jun 24 12:56
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schestowitz> RSS: It is actually proven to be the case and any interested personJun 24 12:56
schestowitz> who researched this subject before would know that Cisco was workingJun 24 12:56
schestowitz> with the Chinese government to enable things like sending E-mail portJun 24 12:56
schestowitz> back to communication and such things, so we do know that there is aJun 24 12:57
schestowitz> degree of collusion between them. I think we'll touch on this laterJun 24 12:57
schestowitz> when we're just thinking the possibility of back doors. But I thinkJun 24 12:57
schestowitz> it's more evident now that it comes to light, showing in concreteJun 24 12:57
schestowitz> terms what we already know was probably happening all these years.Jun 24 12:57
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schestowitz> RMS: There are many routers you can get that you can then install freeJun 24 12:57
schestowitz> software into. So if we are talking about your router,Jun 24 12:57
schestowitz> Jun 24 12:57
schestowitz> {Put emphasis around "your".}Jun 24 12:57
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schestowitz>        then yeah, youJun 24 12:57
schestowitz> should put Free software into it. But when you talk to other softwareJun 24 12:57
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schestowitz> {"software" makes no sense.  What word was it?}Jun 24 12:57
schestowitz> Jun 24 12:57
schestowitz> it's critical to ask first if they are not yours. And some of themJun 24 12:57
schestowitz> will belong to companies that might very well be collaborating withJun 24 12:57
schestowitz> surveillance. And Free software is not going to fix that problemJun 24 12:57
schestowitz> {add comma}Jun 24 12:57
schestowitz> because if that company which receives Jun 24 12:57
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schestowitz> {I think that word is wrong}Jun 24 12:57
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schestowitz>        for its switch/routers was toJun 24 12:57
schestowitz> collaborate with the NSA, it is going to collaborate with the NSA orJun 24 12:57
schestowitz> the Chinese government or whatever.Jun 24 12:57
schestowitz> Jun 24 12:57
schestowitz> {That sentence makes no sense.  "If it was to collaborate with the NSA, Jun 24 12:57
schestowitz> it is going to collaborate with the NSA"?  Something is garbled here,Jun 24 12:57
schestowitz> but I don't know what the correct words are.  Was it a false start?}Jun 24 12:57
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schestowitz>     So, Free software means you canJun 24 12:57
schestowitz> control over the software or what your computer is doing or yourJun 24 12:57
schestowitz> computers are doing, but it doesn't necessarily mean that the otherJun 24 12:57
schestowitz> organisations you deal with are going to respect your privacy.Jun 24 12:57
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schestowitz> RSS: Unless of course we use encryption, for example.Jun 24 12:57
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schestowitz> Jun 24 12:58
schestowitz> RMS: Yes. Of course encryption in itself doesn't disguise who we areJun 24 12:58
schestowitz> talking to and it's been played out that if the government knows whoJun 24 12:58
schestowitz> knows who, then it is a tremendous start on breaking any dissidentJun 24 12:58
schestowitz> movement.Jun 24 12:58
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