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| schestowitz | http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/21/microsoft-and-oracle-will-announce-major-cloud-computing-partnership-next-monday/ | Jun 26 05:22 |
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| schestowitz | "[PJ: Because partnering with Microsoft always works out so well for the partner.]" | Jun 26 05:22 |
| schestowitz | ha | Jun 26 05:23 |
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| schestowitz | https://blogs.oracle.com/cloud/entry/oracle_and_microsoft_join_forces | Jun 26 05:26 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Oracle and Microsoft Expand Choice and Flexibility in Deploying Oracle Software in the Cloud (Oracle Cloud Solutions) .::. Size~: 31.57 KB | Jun 26 05:26 |
| schestowitz | what sellouts | Jun 26 05:26 |
| schestowitz | http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/microsoft-and-oracle-announce-enterprise-partnership-212802601.html | Jun 26 05:26 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Microsoft and Oracle announce enterprise partnership -- REDMOND, Wash. and REDWOOD CITY, Calif., June 24, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- .::. Size~: 95.8 KB | Jun 26 05:26 |
| schestowitz | http://www.eweek.com/cloud/microsft-oracle-make-cloud-co-op-deal-official/ | Jun 26 05:26 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Page Not found. .::. Size~: 32.42 KB | Jun 26 05:26 |
| schestowitz | "Market research IDC reported earlier this year that Oracle owned 45 percent of the $28.2 billion worldwide database market in 2012, with No. 2 IBM at 20 percent and Microsoft at 18 percent. At one time, Oracle owned more than 60 percent of the enterprises database market." | Jun 26 05:26 |
| schestowitz | http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-oracle-deal-what-you-need-to-know-7000017229/ | Jun 26 05:27 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Microsoft-Oracle deal: What you need to know | ZDNet .::. Size~: 62.83 KB | Jun 26 05:27 |
| schestowitz | " Why did Microsoft and Oracle announce this partnership today ... After all, Oracle already had a long-standing partnership with Amazon so that its apps run on AWS...." | Jun 26 05:27 |
| schestowitz | http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/06/microsoft-oracle-ink-deal-to-bring-oracles-software-to-azure-hyper-v/ | Jun 26 05:27 |
| TechrightsBot | Title: Java and other Oracle software heads to the Microsoft cloud | Ars Technica .::. Size~: 39.36 KB | Jun 26 05:27 |
| schestowitz | "" [PJ: Ah. Think Oracle v. Google and APIs.] " | Jun 26 05:27 |
| schestowitz | Just mailed RMS: | Jun 26 07:34 |
| schestowitz | > I have improved the text to the extent that I could and published the | Jun 26 07:34 |
| schestowitz | > audio. I've also submitted this to LXer, LT, etc. for further | Jun 26 07:34 |
| schestowitz | > dissemination. | Jun 26 07:34 |
| schestowitz | > | Jun 26 07:34 |
| schestowitz | > Thanks. | Jun 26 07:34 |
| schestowitz | Since Monday (afternoon), the Ogg file has been requested ~1800 times, so that's quite decent. Some people just read/scan the text. One person complained he had no MP3 option. | Jun 26 07:34 |
| schestowitz | Here is the next part, which is about back doors (text for you to hack on): | Jun 26 07:34 |
| schestowitz | ~~~~ | Jun 26 07:34 |
| schestowitz | RSS: I want to try and discuss with you this whole subject of back doors. I think in the past -- I know from experience -- people were trying to call people like yourself "paranoid" for discussing or even entertaining the <em>possibility</em> that there may be back doors in proprietary software. Well, now we know that they exist. One of the things... | Jun 26 07:34 |
| schestowitz | RMS: We know for a long time about specific back doors in specific proprietary software. It has been documented. For instance, the existence of a universal back door in Microsoft Windows was proved years ago. And the existence of a universal back door in most portable phones was proved years ago. Now, a universal back door means that they can be used to do absolutely anything. It can be used to change the software, so whatever they | Jun 26 07:34 |
| schestowitz | want to do they could put in software which does it. | Jun 26 07:34 |
| schestowitz | RSS: We can make an educated guess about what they think is intercepted and how, but I think that many discussions lack technical details on exactly how the NSA is doing what it does because Glenn Greenwald is not going to release the documents related to that. But some people were talking about hardware-level -- even firewall- of network-level -- back doors. We may know, based on the leaks for example of Klein in AT&T, they might | Jun 26 07:34 |
| schestowitz | be harvesting the data at the chokepoints. | Jun 26 07:34 |
| schestowitz | RMS: Well, it's not a back door. If AT&T agreed to connect its computers to [incomprehensible] of the NSA, that doesn't involve a back door. Those computers belong to AT&T, so if AT&T has full control over them, which it should, then AT&T should also connect to the NSA. You see, these are somewhat different issues. The first issue, which Free software is part of, is that you should have control over your computer. Now, that's | Jun 26 07:34 |
| schestowitz | violated with proprietary software if your computer is running, say, Windows, or Mac OS, or if it's an "i" Thing, or most kinds of Android products, then you don't control it, some company is controlling it and making it do things that you'll like. So the first thing is, [incomprehensible] says that the computer should have full control over it, but that doesn't mean that when you're using some company's surface, if a company has | Jun 26 07:34 |
| schestowitz | full control over the computers that implement that surface, which it should, that doesn't mean the company will treat you right. That's a separate issue. It's wrong for a company to have control over these computers and if AT&T uses proprietary software, it fully has control over AT&T's computers and that's wrong. However, making sure AT&T has complete control over its computers doesn't guarantee that AT&T will treat us right. | Jun 26 07:34 |
| schestowitz | RSS: I was thinking about a different scenario where the company that you interact with might itself backdoored in the sense that the firewalls, they might be using older hardware and might be using -- maybe -- back door by design, so that the NSA, for example, can quietly and silently infiltrate and capture data, for example, [from] firewalls or Intel chips for example. | Jun 26 07:34 |
| schestowitz | RMS: It's possible, and not just necessarily Intel chips because the Pentagon suspects that devices made by Huawei [incomprehensible] or the Chinese government... | Jun 26 07:34 |
| schestowitz | RSS: And the latest NDAA is actually explicitly forbidding the use of hardware made in China. That's from the NDAA 2014. But not many speak about why this is happening, why they modified the rules. Recently, interestingly enough, a guy who was interacting with these companies -- I'm not sure if you've heard about Shane Todd -- the guy who lived in Singapore was assassinated apparently under the -- basically, the guise of suicide -- | Jun 26 07:34 |
| schestowitz | and there seems to be a lot of suspicion among those two camps of telecom companies and what they might be doing at the back room. | Jun 26 07:34 |
| schestowitz | RMS: Well, it's perfectly reasonable suspicion to me. I don't think the US government should [incomprehensible] China for the same reason that most governments shouldn't use operating systems made in the US and in fact we just got proof since Microsoft is now known to be telling the NSA about bugs in Windows before it fixes them. | Jun 26 07:34 |
| schestowitz | RSS: I was just going to bring this up exactly, so I was saying that the NSA recently received notifications about the zero-day holes in advance and [incomprehensible] the NSA and the CIA to just crack PCs abroad for espionage purposes. | Jun 26 07:34 |
| schestowitz | RMS: Now, [incomprehensible] that this proves my point, which is that you have to be nuts if you were some other country and using Windows on your computers. But, you know, given that Windows has a universal back door in it, Microsoft would hardly need to tell the NSA about any bugs, it can tell the NSA about the mal-feature of the universal back door and that would be enough for the NSA to attack any computer running Windows, which | Jun 26 07:34 |
| schestowitz | unfortunately is a large fraction of them. | Jun 26 07:35 |
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