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MinceRhttp://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=3023Jun 29 00:01
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2783268Jun 29 07:25
TechrightsSocial@23dornot23d@joindiaspora.com: Goto 7: 40 in this ......... then you find why Snowdon may not be what you think .......... http://youtu.be/liy5BkPLJyk That is if the username is right and what he says about wikileaks is basically bad ........ Then he is setting this up - or someone is ........Jun 29 07:25
TechrightsSocial-> Title: "American People Want The NSA Collecting Every Text Message Their Teenage Daughter Ever Sent" - YouTube .::. Size~: 214.3 KBJun 29 07:25
schestowitz"Jun 29 07:25
schestowitz!! How on Earth can one say the US benefits from these leaks?Jun 29 07:25
schestowitzWhere did you get that sentence from ....... ?Jun 29 07:25
schestowitzam I missing some other people posting on here - not something that I wrote .....Jun 29 07:25
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schestowitzWhat happened that was interesting 4 days ago ...... is not that oldJun 29 07:26
schestowitzhttps://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Jeddah+be+carrying+American+weapons&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=rcsJun 29 07:26
TechrightsSocialTitle: Jeddah be carrying American weapons - Google Search .::. Size~: 67.8 KBJun 29 07:26
schestowitzDid this get into the main news or did it not happen .......Jun 29 07:26
schestowitzHow does a boat just split in two .... or was it false news ........ ?Jun 29 07:26
schestowitzAnswer belowJun 29 07:26
schestowitzhttp://gcaptain.com/mol-box-ship-suffers-broken-back-sinks-off-yeme/Jun 29 07:26
TechrightsSocialTitle: MOL Comfort Breaks In Two Off Yemen, Salvage Firm Contracted [UPDATE 6] | gCaptain ⚓ Maritime & Offshore News .::. Size~: 300.29 KBJun 29 07:26
schestowitz"Jun 29 07:26
schestowitzI misunderstood. I misread "Snowdon seems a person of interest for the USA propaganda machine as you say and that is all ........." as the US created him to distract when it fact all that may mean is that they now exploit the existence of this scandal to distract from Syria -- a point I can subscribe to.Jun 29 07:27
schestowitz"Latest I can find is this - saying warehouses are already full and ready to go ........ http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323419604578569830070537040 "Jun 29 07:27
TechrightsSocialTitle: U.S. Begins Shipping Arms for Syrian Rebels - WSJ.com .::. Size~: 251.68 KBJun 29 07:27
schestowitzNice link there about the tanker. At work, I observe vessels in real time but I never heard of such an incident.Jun 29 07:32
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2784110Jun 29 07:32
TechrightsSocial@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: How the #CIA helped South African police arrest #Mandela http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/353312 spreading democracy. The "Good Guys".Jun 29 07:32
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schestowitz"Jun 29 07:33
schestowitzhe also saw the South African struggle as based primarily on race rather than class: Race is class.Jun 29 07:33
schestowitzGood to see William Blum's stuff here on D* :)Jun 29 07:33
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2784103Jun 29 07:33
TechrightsSocial@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: According to #bloomberg  pretending to be above the law (CIA) "carries a maximum sentence of three years in prison." Proportionate?Jun 29 07:33
schestowitz"They all look out for their own. It would be like having a gang member try another gang member. #KangarooCourt"Jun 29 07:33
schestowitz"In the Pinochet coup, two young americans in Chile saw that the CIA were involved, so they were eliminated."Jun 29 07:33
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2784009Jun 29 07:34
TechrightsSocial@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Google Building Android Game Console  http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323689204578571992848684764.html #android #linuxJun 29 07:34
TechrightsSocial-> Title: Google Is Developing Android Game Console - WSJ.com .::. Size~: 273.51 KBJun 29 07:34
schestowitz"Sad, really. This'll crush small start-ups like OUYA and maybe Steambox. And with Android laptops possibly coming out, it really makes it harder for other distros trying to do the same get any traction. Maybe the "internet giant" needs to watch where it steps."Jun 29 07:34
schestowitz"While this may drive certain business to Google, it also has one good side. As we've seen with Android phones, they may come from the store with Google's version installed, but there are often others that can be installed on it like Cyanomod, Paranoid Android or Replicant. And things like F-Droid means that the Google Play store isn't the only place in town to get applications. It may make it harder for hardware vendors but Jun 29 07:34
schestowitzit will make it easier for lots of small software developers to find a niche where they can offer their products and services."Jun 29 07:34
schestowitz"I would like to see an open console box. Open game-software to elaborate on and hardware in vein of a beefed-up Raspi also able to run Steam so that I can put it in my own tupperware box . #steambox #google #android"Jun 29 07:34
schestowitzA PC is an open console box, just change the casing.Jun 29 07:34
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2784786Jun 29 07:54
TechrightsSocial@harryhaller@joindiaspora.com reshared: "decision by European satellite provider, Intelsat, to take Iranian channels off the air by July 1" http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/06/28/311258/nsa-behind-intelsats-iran-media-ban/ #censorship #euJun 29 07:54
TechrightsSocial-> Title: PressTV - Intelsat's Iran media ban, linked to NSA spying: Ralph Schoenman .::. Size~: 18.92 KBJun 29 07:54
schestowitz"The first sacrifice in war is the truth..."Jun 29 07:54
schestowitzWell said.Jun 29 07:54
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schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QL_3Qg-SADY#at=335Jun 29 08:06
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roy_https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2784375Jun 29 08:18
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2784238Jun 29 08:22
schestowitz"I spend approximately 68 hours a week in a car and I drink 70 cups of coffee. It is very difficult to get moving on my days off."Jun 29 08:22
schestowitzThe system "works". it helps to depress activism, just like student loans.Jun 29 08:23
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2784113Jun 29 08:25
schestowitzI stopped using rekonq for D* because there were some minor issues with navigation on my old version of rekonqJun 29 08:25
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2784087Jun 29 08:26
schestowitz"#stasi + #nsa = #nasi ? #justasking"Jun 29 08:26
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2783998Jun 29 08:29
schestowitzThe Pension 'industry' loves those guys...Jun 29 08:29
schestowitz>> I looked again later (almost 300 comments) and I can hardly find a Jun 29 09:14
schestowitz>> single one which is negative. Microsoft recently (early/med June) Jun 29 09:14
schestowitz>> found itself in a massive scandal after contractors had spilledJun 29 09:14
schestowitz>> the beans, saying that Microsoft had paid for them to plantJun 29 09:14
schestowitz>> comments. "Perception management" they call it....Jun 29 09:14
schestowitz> Jun 29 09:14
schestowitz> Hi, Roy,Jun 29 09:14
schestowitz> Jun 29 09:14
schestowitz> I noticed that Slashdot still edits the tags.  The article on HostessJun 29 09:14
schestowitz> used to have two unfavorable tags, but suddenly sometime the next day,Jun 29 09:14
schestowitz> they were gone.  The one was 'unionbusting' or something along thoseJun 29 09:14
schestowitz> lines.  They've done it a long time too, I remember articles showingJun 29 09:15
schestowitz> up with the 'vistafailure' tag until they suddenly all disappeared,Jun 29 09:15
schestowitz> even retroactively from the older articles.Jun 29 09:15
schestowitz> Jun 29 09:15
schestowitz> About the topics that Microsofters dare take up is the Ken ThompsonJun 29 09:15
schestowitz> 'Trusting Trust' conundrum.  I've wanted to write in response to thoseJun 29 09:15
schestowitz> that it appears the reason they bring it up is to invoke The MicrosoftJun 29 09:15
schestowitz> Effect, a form of sour grapes, that all software has holes soJun 29 09:15
schestowitz> therefore one should just stick with Microsoft.  David A Wheeler hasJun 29 09:15
schestowitz> shown in great detail how to solve the Trusting Trust conundrumJun 29 09:15
schestowitz> through Diverse Double-Compiling but in the three times that theJun 29 09:15
schestowitz> problem was mentioned in the RMS article's comments, only once was DDCJun 29 09:15
schestowitz> mentioned.Jun 29 09:15
schestowitz> Jun 29 09:15
schestowitz> Back to the topic, one of the first changes when M$ can no longerJun 29 09:15
schestowitz> afford to pay shills will be quiet on the forums from their camp.Jun 29 09:15
schestowitz> That will first only happen when the monopoly rents go away for OfficeJun 29 09:15
schestowitz> and Windows.  What won't go away will be the people like de Icaza whoJun 29 09:15
schestowitz> have some kind of hard on for M$ and will boost it regardless ofJun 29 09:15
schestowitz> personal gain or loss.  Icahn is another, but there are a great manyJun 29 09:15
schestowitz> that are much smaller and more everyday types.Jun 29 09:15
schestowitz> Jun 29 09:15
schestowitz> Also, around this time of year, isn't there usually a pause in theJun 29 09:15
schestowitz> shills as there is some kind of group meeting or conference for theJun 29 09:15
schestowitz> top level during which there is a hiatus for the lower level ones?Jun 29 09:15
schestowitz> They pick up with new themes and talking points later in a week or so.Jun 29 09:15
schestowitz> Jun 29 09:15
schestowitz> Regards,Jun 29 09:15
schestowitz> Jun 29 09:15
schestowitz> PS.  Thunderbird did not recognize my PGP profile this morning.  TooJun 29 09:15
schestowitz> bad TB devel is on ice and that I do not have any of the skills neededJun 29 09:15
schestowitz> to move it forward.  So far all encryption is a hack and a properJun 29 09:15
schestowitz> re-design of the UI is needed to take encryption into account as aJun 29 09:15
schestowitz> normal part of the workflow.Jun 29 09:15
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schestowitz> Hi, Roy,Jun 29 11:30
schestowitz> Jun 29 11:30
schestowitz> I don't think de Icaza has ever been part of the FOSS community.  He hasJun 29 11:30
schestowitz> caused plenty of harm, but from the outside.  It has been chumps andJun 29 11:30
schestowitz> turncoats from inside the community that start to follow him or his M$Jun 29 11:30
schestowitz> technology that have been the problem.Jun 29 11:30
schestowitz> Jun 29 11:30
schestowitz> His only tie that I know of was a mention in Glyn Moody's book "RebelJun 29 11:30
schestowitz> Code" and I think that was by accident.  Even back then he was all aboutJun 29 11:30
schestowitz> wanting to drop everything and copy whatever M$ was doing.  EverythingJun 29 11:30
schestowitz> I've heard from him since then has not been about innovation orJun 29 11:30
schestowitz> development but about promoting and copying M$.  The M$ fanboi has doneJun 29 11:30
schestowitz> nothing but harm to the FOSS community.Jun 29 11:30
schestowitz> Jun 29 11:30
schestowitz> Mono has been the worst.  Critics warned that it would be used to expandJun 29 11:30
schestowitz> the infection of M$.NET.  Proponents, which IMHO knowingly lied, claimedJun 29 11:30
schestowitz> that it would provide a stepping stone to bring people over to FOSSJun 29 11:30
schestowitz> platforms and then off of M$ applications.  The facts are in now and theJun 29 11:30
schestowitz> critics were right.  Tomboy, Banshee, F-Spot, and Pinta, to name a few,Jun 29 11:30
schestowitz> show that Mono has been about making FOSS dependent on M$ not openingJun 29 11:30
schestowitz> the door to freedom.Jun 29 11:30
schestowitz> Jun 29 11:30
schestowitz> Regards,Jun 29 11:30
schestowitz> Jun 29 11:30
schestowitz> PS BTW the old site is still not redirectingJun 29 11:30
schestowitz> eg.http://www.boycottnovell.com/wiki/index.php/Mono_ApplicationsJun 29 11:30
schestowitzYes, I'm not sure how to tackle this. I think it's a caching issue.Jun 29 11:30
schestowitzqu1j0t3: http://www.counterpunch.org/wp-content/dropzone/2012/10/the-imperial-messenger.jpgJun 29 13:17
qu1j0t3schestowitz: This is Lanier, but I'd be interested if you find anything in here that's offensively wrong. http://qz.com/87795/free-information-as-great-as-it-sounds-will-enslave-us-all/Jun 29 16:24
qu1j0t3schestowitz: (I haven't, so far)Jun 29 16:25
MinceRhttp://imgur.com/gallery/HMBAHJun 29 20:27
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2786507Jun 29 23:06
schestowitz''cuz #phallus #symbolism?"Jun 29 23:06
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2785706Jun 29 23:06
schestowitz"So going to bed with someone is a good thing but blowing that one's whistle is a bad thing ::: No wonder they got sexual problems across the board in law enforcement =)"Jun 29 23:06
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2781452Jun 29 23:07
schestowitz"But for example since there are so many distros and software light on resources with GNU/Linux, and possible to run on old hardware, doesn't that mean that one could say it is more environmentally friendly? And also the code density, can't that matter as well using less resources?"Jun 29 23:07
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2781452Jun 29 23:07
TechrightsSocial@amphetamachine@joindiaspora.com: Environmentalists / technocrats: how much less #energy would the #Internet consume if iTunes used #OGG music, if #YouTube and #NetFlix used #VPX video? #open-sourceJun 29 23:07
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2785706Jun 29 23:07
TechrightsSocial@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The #NYPD Embedded Four #CIA Officers After 9/11 http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/nypd-embedded-four-cia-officers-after-911 while #FBI embedded infiltrators in #wikileaksJun 29 23:07
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s-247@schestowitz        US’ NSA linked to Intelsat ban on #Iran mediaJun 29 23:20
s-247                    http://t.co/Zdid1EY5Fg we are against #censorship in theJun 29 23:20
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s-247@schestowitz        Weird photo choices by #washpo #propagandaJun 29 23:21
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s-247@schestowitz        NSA reportedly has secret data collection agreement withJun 29 23:22
s-247                    several European countries  http://t.co/dxVnscBH81 like theJun 29 23:22
s-247                    #cia #torture reportsJun 29 23:22
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s-247@doctorow           Photo: whateveradjunct: If You’re Seeing This Post, ThenJun 29 23:28
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s-247@doctorow           Photo: cosplayingwhileblack: X Character: Luke SkywalkerJun 29 23:28
s-247                    Series: Star Wars http://t.co/MBtKH84QC7Jun 29 23:28
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s-247@schestowitz        More anti- #wikileaks smears ("Anti-secrecy groupJun 29 23:29
s-247                    WikiLeaks") and a clear attempt to create a riftJun 29 23:29
s-247                    http://t.co/DdOX89b5cxJun 29 23:29
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TechrightsSocialTitle: Edward Snowden did not betray American people, says father of NSA whistleblower | World | News | Daily Express .::. Size~: 84.49 KBJun 29 23:29
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qu1j0t3   s-247 | @schestowitz        More anti- #wikileaks smears    // Yes, WIRED's mission is to demonise protest and civil disobedienceJun 29 23:31
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s-833@schestowitz     NSA can obtain one billion cell phone calls a day, storeJun 29 23:33
s-833                 them and listen http://t.co/8BcJ0vzLhKJun 29 23:33
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TechrightsSocialTitle: Greenwald on ‘coming’ leak: NSA can obtain one billion cell phone calls a day, store them and listen — RT USA .::. Size~: 46.44 KBJun 29 23:33
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s-833@slashdot        AMD/ATI Drops Windows XP Support http://t.co/4DoUiDak0MJun 29 23:39
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s-833@schestowitz     Ecuador in talks with Russia and US over CIA whistleblowerJun 29 23:40
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TechrightsSocialTitle: Ecuador in talks with Russia and US over CIA whistleblower: Voice of Russia - UK Edition .::. Size~: 52.95 KBJun 29 23:40
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s-833@wikileaks       Germans compare US to 'Stasi 2.0' | McClatchyJun 29 23:42
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s-833@doctorow        "It’s a starkly honest view of what happens in aJun 29 23:47
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s-833@schestowitz     $450 million of US taxpayers' money passed to tax evaderJun 29 23:50
s-833                 #amazon to help #cia violate human rights.Jun 29 23:50
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/JorgeStolfi/status/351108429072449536Jun 29 23:52
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schestowitz"Outra bomba de Snowden: a NSA armazena 1 bilhão de conversas telefônicas por dia (não só metadados): http://rt.com/usa/nsa-greenwald-call-store-427/ … [v @schestowitz] "Jun 29 23:52
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s-833@schestowitz     About 20 days since last #obama -authorised #ciaJun 29 23:55
s-833                 #assassination by #drone mission. Are they coming to gripsJun 29 23:55
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