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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/101441101Jul 03 08:23
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schestowitz"@schestowitz Does he use Seeks or YaCy, by the way?"Jul 03 08:24
schestowitzStallman uses GOogle and DDGJul 03 08:24
schestowitz"♻ @schestowitz Ngong road traffic started at karen today. Still no police to be for a while"Jul 03 08:25
schestowitz"AFAIK, extremely violent videos _are_ forbidden on YouTube. That's not censorship of police injustice."Jul 03 08:26
schestowitzThey don't censor Collateral Murder...Jul 03 08:26
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schestowitzPie in the face http://d2tq98mqfjyz2l.cloudfront.net/image_cache/1372832625422396_animate.gifJul 03 08:48
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schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWcjoO6yfVwJul 03 09:10
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Versión completa de la entrevista con Evo Morales, presidente de Bolivia - YouTube .::. Size~: 113.81 KBJul 03 09:10
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2799559Jul 03 09:26
TechrightsBot-tr@benfell@disunitedstates.com: ## Snowden’s Worst-Case Scenario: What If No Countries Take Him? http://world.time.com/2013/07/02/snowdens-worst-case-scenario-what-if-no-countries-take-him/   archived at https://parts-unknown.org/content/snowden%E2%80%99s-worst-case-scenario-what-if-no-countries-take-himJul 03 09:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: Snowden’s Worst-Case Scenario: What if No Countries Take Him? | TIME.com .::. Size~: 162.82 KBJul 03 09:26
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schestowitzHow kind of "Time" to discuss the dysphoric scenarios...Jul 03 09:26
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MinceRgeekingsJul 03 09:44
schestowitzo hiJul 03 10:22
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/stream#Jul 03 10:30
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schestowitzLobby for a negation?Jul 03 10:30
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_cc29c17810a23e21d518.jpgJul 03 10:30
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2800637Jul 03 11:34
TechrightsBot-tr@rainer_blaumeise@pod.geraspora.de: I never go to #USA again for #holiday. A country there's nowadays death penalty is able. And with such #messy, #criminal #government body... who's like surveillence everbody in the #world, and kill own cititzens by #drohnes... USA much worster than STASI Ich fahr nie mehr in die USA in Urlaub - nen land wo es die #Todesstrafe gibt. Und eine solche dreckige, kriminelle Staatsorgane, welche jeden in der WeltJul 03 11:34
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schestowitz"There's a difference between a quite low-quality black-and-white recording and this."Jul 03 11:49
schestowitz"Also, I don't find a simple content warning to be "censorship"."Jul 03 11:50
schestowitzGoogle actually deleted many videos.Jul 03 11:50
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/RGSpore/status/352338911978192898Jul 03 11:52
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schestowitz"#Snowden #Bolivia Stoyaway? Aprntly Dpilot had a parrot on his shoulder, a peg leg, a patch over his eye, + was very drunk."Jul 03 11:52
schestowitzand he downloaded something via torrentJul 03 11:52
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Prezbyter/status/352339574317522944Jul 03 11:53
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schestowitz"They returned from their first employment out of school in Iraq & Afghanistan to just the kind of jobs bullies gravitate to."Jul 03 11:53
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/fcassia/status/352350165560070144Jul 03 11:54
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schestowitz"if this is true, something is fishy. https://twitter.com/FMCnl/status/352314140737552384 … -Remember that recording the ATC comms is a hobby for many..."Jul 03 11:54
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schestowitzFrance denies allegations against it, but Austria has notJul 03 11:55
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schestowitzEvo Morales disliked and feared for same reason Hugo Chávez is feared. They have parties that represent poorer people https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_mkE3Ej854Jul 03 13:26
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DaemonFChttp://www.wthitv.com/dpp/news/local/new-indiana-laws-aim-to-improve-livesJul 03 16:22
TechrightsBot-trTitle: New Indiana laws aim to improve lives .::. Size~: 46.47 KBJul 03 16:22
DaemonFC300 new laws.Jul 03 16:22
DaemonFCUnless they're all intended to repeal former edicts, I don't see how my life gains a net improvement.Jul 03 16:23
iophk'her company has come to the realization that it's no longer "the leader in our industry'Jul 03 16:58
iophk'http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57592140-94/nokia-to-embrace-challenger-role-in-new-marketing-push/Jul 03 16:58
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Nokia to embrace 'challenger' role in new marketing push | Mobile - CNET News .::. Size~: 80.14 KBJul 03 16:58
iophkThat's an understatementJul 03 16:58
iophkUnfortunately the article tries some revisionism on the role of M$ in Nokia.  Nokia was doing well in phones before Elop killed it.  Jul 03 16:58
iophkSo the "Windows Phone to bolster its standing" is bullshit and ignores the timeline of events.Jul 03 16:59
iophkhttp://seekingalpha.com/article/916271-how-stephen-elop-destroyed-nokiaJul 03 17:03
TechrightsBot-trTitle: How Stephen Elop Destroyed Nokia - Seeking Alpha .::. Size~: 56.73 KBJul 03 17:03
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schestowitziophk: garbage from  Don ReisingerJul 03 17:26
schestowitzI dented your linksJul 03 17:26
schestowitzwaiting to replace the bot, there is some transition occurring now in identica and techrights serversJul 03 17:26
MinceRmeanwhile in the usa >> http://m.blog.hu/su/subba/postimage/ekozbenamerikaban_1372858593.jpgJul 03 17:27
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2801010Jul 03 17:46
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Evo Morales disliked and feared for same reason Hugo Chávez is feared. They have parties that represent poorer people https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_mkE3Ej854Jul 03 17:46
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: Noam Chomsky on the elections 2012 (part 2, civil war ) - YouTube .::. Size~: 158.93 KBJul 03 17:46
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2801691Jul 03 17:47
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Preserving Information About GNU/Linux  http://techrights.org/2013/07/03/desktoplinux-and-linuxdevices/  #desktoplinux #linuxdevices #gnu #linuxJul 03 17:47
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2801727Jul 03 17:47
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: A Message to Bill Gates: “Eliminating Poor People is Not the Same as Eliminating Poverty” http://techrights.org/2013/07/03/bill-gates-monopolises-population-issues/Jul 03 17:47
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2801756Jul 03 17:47
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The University of California Misuses Taxpayers’ Money by Using it to Harm Public, Commerce  http://techrights.org/2013/07/03/uc-feeding-patent-trolls/ #swpats #ucJul 03 17:47
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2801774Jul 03 17:47
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The Man in Charge of Xbox Is Leaving Microsoft http://techrights.org/2013/07/03/don-mattrick-is-out/ #microsoft #xbox #xbox360Jul 03 17:47
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2801781Jul 03 17:47
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: 2012: How Stephen #Elop Destroyed #Nokia http://seekingalpha.com/article/916271-how-stephen-elop-destroyed-nokia shows the danger of #Microsoft molesJul 03 17:47
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: How Stephen Elop Destroyed Nokia - Seeking Alpha .::. Size~: 56.73 KBJul 03 17:47
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2801792Jul 03 17:47
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Mass protests planned over web #NSA spying revelations http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23160309 #bbc gov. pressJul 03 17:47
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: BBC News - Mass protests planned over web NSA spying revelations .::. Size~: 78.73 KBJul 03 17:47
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2801795Jul 03 17:48
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Angela Merkel: NSA snooping claims 'extremely serious' http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/03/angela-merkel-nsa-snooping-serious #nsa #germany #espionageJul 03 17:48
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: Angela Merkel: NSA snooping claims 'extremely serious' | World news | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 128.65 KBJul 03 17:48
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2801797Jul 03 17:48
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Oliver Stone on NSA Leaker Edward Snowden: 'I Would Give Him Asylum' http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/oliver-stone-nsa-leaker-edward-579763 #snowden #nsaJul 03 17:48
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: Oliver Stone on NSA Leaker Edward Snowden: 'I Would Give Him Asylum' - The Hollywood Reporter .::. Size~: 91.21 KBJul 03 17:48
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2801798Jul 03 17:48
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: France wants to 'temporarily suspend' trade talks with US over NSA spying http://rt.com/news/france-us-delay-trade-603/ #france #nsa #usJul 03 17:48
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: France wants to 'temporarily suspend' trade talks with US over NSA spying — RT News .::. Size~: 37.87 KBJul 03 17:48
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/352466033099030528Jul 03 17:54
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schestowitz"Mass protests planned over web #NSA spying revelations - http://bbc.in/1aCK8u3  a new #SOPA/#ACTA revolt in the making? (v @schestowitz)"Jul 03 17:54
TechrightsBot-trTitle: BBC News - Mass protests planned over web NSA spying revelations .::. Size~: 78.69 KBJul 03 17:54
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/zookkz/status/352468436875612161Jul 03 17:55
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schestowitz"there is a major difference between leaving and being asked to step down."Jul 03 17:55
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/101447940Jul 03 18:20
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/100250759#notice-101447940Jul 03 18:20
schestowitz"@Schestowitz Chavez is dead."Jul 03 18:20
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DaemonFCOne thing I do like about Indiana law is that when the House or Senate proposes a bill, they have to print the entire resulting bill, not just the changes it makes to current law.Jul 03 18:28
iophkhttp://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/03/us-usa-security-snowden-idUSBRE9610C520130703Jul 03 18:31
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Snowden still in Moscow despite Bolivian plane drama | Reuters .::. Size~: 100 KBJul 03 18:31
iophk"Bolivia said the incident, in which the plane was denied permission to fly over France and Portugal before making an stop-over in Vienna, was an act of aggression and a violation of international law."Jul 03 18:31
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schestowitzFrance denies itJul 03 18:31
schestowitzI saw that in two articlesJul 03 18:31
schestowitzand one report said there was a fuel gauge issue that caused the landingJul 03 18:32
iophkwhat about Portugal and Spain?Jul 03 18:32
schestowitzBut why would Bolivia lie about it?Jul 03 18:32
schestowitzSomeone is lyingJul 03 18:32
iophkYes, that much is clear.  Jul 03 18:32
schestowitzPsian suppported himJul 03 18:32
schestowitzI think Porgular didn'tJul 03 18:32
schestowitzAnyway, they can fly around EuropeJul 03 18:32
schestowitzIf they knew of such issues... where is the plane now? I dought news about it, foudnd noneJul 03 18:33
iophkSnowden could more easily fly to Finland, it's border is a stone's throw from MoscowJul 03 18:33
schestowitzI think I read aboutPortugalPorgular being an issueJul 03 18:33
iophk*itsJul 03 18:33
schestowitzSorry for the typos, eating..Jul 03 18:33
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sebsebsebhiJul 03 18:34
schestowitzFinland is near Sweden, a US sockpuppetJul 03 18:34
schestowitzBeter off just leaving from the other side of RussiaJul 03 18:35
iophkMany countries areJul 03 18:35
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schestowitzKamchatka, then southwards away from US West cost and into BoliviaJul 03 18:35
schestowitzThat's assuming Snowden is in the plane at allJul 03 18:35
schestowitzFrom HK you can fly to Russia, maybe potentially through Mongolia, which has weak sovereignty ahwayJul 03 18:36
schestowitzIt's like a game of [pursuit, where you need to evade the US and its GoonsJul 03 18:36
schestowitzUS considers it a "threat" when Chinese war vessels trawl around the Chinese seaJul 03 18:36
schestowitzAs if it's theirs (the US')Jul 03 18:37
iophkIt's getting spun out of proporation and distracting from the info being release, such as the espionage on EU nations.Jul 03 18:37
schestowitzLet's see whatthey say when Chinese war vessels park near MexicoJul 03 18:37
schestowitzLike the Cuban missile crisisJul 03 18:37
schestowitzsome French politicians break talks with US nowJul 03 18:38
schestowitzOver this matter of espionageJul 03 18:38
schestowitzThis morning I sae spin  accusing France of being worse at espionage than the USJul 03 18:38
schestowitzwhich I doubtJul 03 18:38
schestowitzFrance also denies blocking the plane's entry into its airspaceJul 03 18:38
schestowitzhttp://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/France+denies+blocking+Bolivian+plane+amid+rumours+leaker/8609961/story.htmlJul 03 18:39
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Snowden case: Bolivia and Europe at odds over mysterious presidential plane delay .::. Size~: 160.52 KBJul 03 18:39
schestowitzHere is the odd aticle, distraction http://www.carbonated.tv/news/france-top-industrial-espionage-offender-demands-answers-over-nsa-spyingJul 03 18:39
TechrightsBot-trTitle: France, Top Industrial Espionage Offender, Demands Answers Over NSA “Spying” - Carbonated.TV .::. Size~: 71.16 KBJul 03 18:39
schestowitzby "Fatimah "Jul 03 18:39
schestowitz"Junior Sub-editor at Carbonated.tv"Jul 03 18:40
schestowitzCiting US cablesJul 03 18:40
schestowitz" But back in 2011, according to leaked U.S. diplomatic cables, France and not China or Russia, was found to be the country that conducted the most industrial espionage on other European countries. WikiLeaks also revealed that the spying network was so widespread that “damages it caused the German economy were larger as a whole than those caused by China or Russia.”"Jul 03 18:40
schestowitzThe US says others do worseJul 03 18:40
schestowitzBut not talking about its ownJul 03 18:40
schestowitzJust as the NYTimes, WSJ etc. accuse only China of 'hacking'Jul 03 18:41
schestowitzhttps://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=uk&tbm=nws&q=drones+k8ill&oq=drones+k8ill&gs_l=news-cc.3...908.1428.0.1820.12.2.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0...0.0...1ac.1.#hl=en&gl=uk&tbm=nws&sclient=psy-ab&q=morales&oq=morales&gs_l=serp.3..0i5l2.2289.2289.2.2417.1.1.0.0.0.0.120.120.0j1.1.0....0...1c.1.19.serp.8dZ4uc3euc4&psj=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&fp=d88621ab40e388&biw=1760&bih=1030Jul 03 18:41
TechrightsBot-trTitle: drones k8ill - Google Search .::. Size~: 65.83 KBJul 03 18:41
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schestowitz" Bolivian politician claimed put Mr Morales' life at risk. "Jul 03 18:42
schestowitzhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/bolivia/10157204/Bolivia-looking-at-legal-options-after-President-Evo-Morales-jet-forced-to-divert.htmlJul 03 18:42
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Video: Bolivia looking at legal options after President Evo Morales' jet forced to divert - Telegraph .::. Size~: 60.61 KBJul 03 18:42
schestowitzhttp://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/south-american-states-angered-at-diversion-of-morales-flight-1.1451275Jul 03 18:42
TechrightsBot-trTitle: South American states angered at diversion of Morales flight - World News | Latest International News Headlines | The Irish Times - Wed, Jul 03, 2013 .::. Size~: 117.65 KBJul 03 18:42
schestowitz"Jul 03 18:43
schestowitzHeads of state in the South American bloc Unasur today strenuously rejected the diversion of Bolivian president Evo Morales’s aircract in Europe due to suspicions it was carrying US whistleblower Edward Snowden.Jul 03 18:43
schestowitzThe group demanded an explanation for “unfriendly and unjustifiable acts”.Jul 03 18:43
schestowitz"Jul 03 18:43
schestowitz" In a statement from Peru’s government, which holds the rotating presidency of the group, the leaders expressed their outrage and indignation because Morales’s flight was not permitted to land in Portugal and France yesterday. "Jul 03 18:43
schestowitzMaybe it did seek to landJul 03 18:43
schestowitz"Bolivian authorities said they were denied landing space because of unfounded speculation that the former US spy contractor was on board."Jul 03 18:44
iophkLoad up on tax-free bordeaux ?Jul 03 18:44
schestowitz"Low on fuel, the plane carrying Morales home from Moscow was rerouted to Austria last night, in a new twist to the international uproar over Mr Snowden and the widespread US surveillance that he revealed. It took off again from Vienna today. "Jul 03 18:44
schestowitzSo Austria is the one that actually did the right thingJul 03 18:44
schestowitzand fuel was indeed the causeJul 03 18:44
nj3maHey guysJul 03 18:45
schestowitzhi nj3maJul 03 18:45
sebsebsebhi nj3ma been quite some timeJul 03 18:45
schestowitziophk: it does serve as a distractionJul 03 18:45
sebsebsebquite a whileJul 03 18:45
schestowitz"|Bolivian and Austrian officials both say Mr Snowden was not on the plane."Jul 03 18:46
sebsebsebnj3ma: eebrah's freind ?Jul 03 18:46
sebsebsebI thinkJul 03 18:46
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2801781Jul 03 18:47
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: 2012: How Stephen #Elop Destroyed #Nokia http://seekingalpha.com/article/916271-how-stephen-elop-destroyed-nokia shows the danger of #Microsoft molesJul 03 18:47
schestowitz"October of 2012, Seeking"Jul 03 18:47
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: How Stephen Elop Destroyed Nokia - Seeking Alpha .::. Size~: 56.73 KBJul 03 18:47
TechrightsBot-tr"October of 2012, Seeking"Jul 03 18:47
schestowitz"Use NoScript, then you can read the whole article. ^^ But your other point is right."Jul 03 18:47
nj3masebsebseb, hey. It is I! :-)Jul 03 18:48
schestowitz"Seeking Alpha is crap. October of 2012 and Seeking Alpha does their homework by reading someone else's blog. They only missed the story by two years. Oh look, I have to register to see the rest of the article."Jul 03 18:48
schestowitzhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2354169/Edward-Snowden-hunt-Bolivian-fury-European-countries-bowing-U-S-aggression-Presidents-plane-forced-land-Vienna-rumors-Edward-Snowden-stowed-board.htmlJul 03 18:50
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Edward Snowden hunt: Bolivian fury at European countries bowing to U.S. 'aggression' after President's plane was forced to land in Vienna over rumors Edward Snowden was stowed on board  | Mail Online .::. Size~: 254.62 KBJul 03 18:50
schestowitzcontraditory reportsJul 03 18:50
schestowitz"Bolivian diplomats say Mr Morales had been returning home from an energy summit in Moscow on Tuesday night when France, Spain and Portugal abruptly refused to allow the plane to fly over their air space cancelled on the grounds that Snowden might be on board."Jul 03 18:50
sebsebsebschestowitz: Great organisations going all opensource free software, uhmm right yeah, untill the guy who made that happen,  leavesJul 03 18:50
sebsebsebschestowitz: and then they start moving more away from it or whatever hmmJul 03 18:50
sebsebseb,but not completlyJul 03 18:51
schestowitziophk: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/07/03/article-2354169-1AA2C034000005DC-412_634x332.jpgJul 03 18:51
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schestowitzFinland: noJul 03 18:51
schestowitz"Jul 03 18:52
schestowitzEvo Morales accused Spain of only allowing his plane to land if it is agreed it is inspectedJul 03 18:52
schestowitzRead more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2354169/Edward-Snowden-hunt-Bolivian-fury-European-countries-bowing-U-S-aggression-Presidents-plane-forced-land-Vienna-rumors-Edward-Snowden-stowed-board.html#ixzz2Y0RYwxlhJul 03 18:52
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Edward Snowden hunt: Bolivian fury at European countries bowing to U.S. 'aggression' after President's plane was forced to land in Vienna over rumors Edward Snowden was stowed on board  | Mail Online .::. Size~: 246.22 KBJul 03 18:52
schestowitzFollow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on FacebookJul 03 18:52
schestowitz"Jul 03 18:52
schestowitzI guess that gives more of the story awayJul 03 18:52
schestowitzProtest at their French embassy nowJul 03 18:53
schestowitz"Grounded by Snowden suspicions, Morales to fly to Spain" headlines changed toJul 03 18:55
schestowitzhttp://www.thehindu.com/news/international/world/morales-plane-rerouted-on-snowden-fear/article4876251.ece?mstac=0Jul 03 18:55
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Bolivian President s plane rerouted on Snowden fear - The Hindu .::. Size~: 68.07 KBJul 03 18:55
schestowitzthe visit was re energy http://rt.com/business/bolivia-morales-russia-energy-investments-599/Jul 03 18:55
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Bolivia awaits Russia’s technology and energy investment – Morales to RT — RT Business .::. Size~: 49.73 KBJul 03 18:55
nj3maInt'l Laws *Benjamin Netanyahu laughter* HahahahahahahahahahahahaJul 03 19:02
nj3maSchestowitz, Yea it has. Been offline, long story.Jul 03 19:04
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nj3maHi Cirrus_Minor,Jul 03 19:13
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blob_Have you read this? http://www.wnd.com/2013/06/nsa-has-total-access-via-microsoft-windows/Jul 03 19:17
TechrightsBot-trTitle: NSA has total access via Microsoft Windows .::. Size~: 59.48 KBJul 03 19:17
blob_I wonder if the same is true for windows server/Jul 03 19:18
MinceRwhy would it not be?Jul 03 19:18
blob_Hmm... Many business and medical use ms server with private info on it and that is concerning to me.Jul 03 19:20
MinceRas it should be concerningJul 03 19:20
MinceRand not just because nsa owns them allJul 03 19:21
blob_I know the US military does not use Skype.  they use oovoo.  Not sure what that meansJul 03 19:22
MinceRhaven't heard of that one beforeJul 03 19:24
DaemonFCHeh. Religion and poverty.Jul 03 19:28
blob_Miltitary familes are not allowed to use skype to talked to familes in the service.Jul 03 19:29
DaemonFCI remember a Catholic family whose kids were in the same school I was in.Jul 03 19:29
DaemonFCThey decided to ask their priest if it was OK to use birth control since they couldn't afford more kids.Jul 03 19:29
DaemonFCHe made a "hardship exception" for them. Apparently, the church allows that sometimes.Jul 03 19:30
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DaemonFCThey were dirt poor.Jul 03 19:31
MinceR:>Jul 03 19:31
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DaemonFCI was talking about them with my mom a while back. She said that their family (of four) was living on a little under $11,000 a year.Jul 03 19:31
DaemonFCThat was around 1990.Jul 03 19:31
DaemonFCStill, damn.Jul 03 19:32
DaemonFCThey were getting by because of the good graces of their extended family members.Jul 03 19:32
DaemonFCLike, their mom had a sister that would give her clothes she was tired of. Their dad had a brother that worked for some food company, and he'd hand them stacks of coupons to go do their grocery shopping with.Jul 03 19:33
DaemonFCIf they had one more child, they wouldn't have made it.Jul 03 19:34
DaemonFCMinceR: Makes me wonder why people are members of religions like that.Jul 03 19:35
DaemonFCIf someone came up to me and demanded that I have children, I'd be like "What? Are you paying for it?".Jul 03 19:35
DaemonFCI can't figure out what goes on in these peoples heads.Jul 03 19:35
DaemonFC$11,000 a year was below the poverty line for two people in 1990.Jul 03 19:36
MinceRbrainwashing of childrenJul 03 19:37
MinceRconnection to other virulent and harmful memes such as nationalism.Jul 03 19:37
DaemonFCI remember getting into an argument with my mom when she couldn't figure out how I was getting by on ~$16,000 a year when I was working at Walmart.Jul 03 19:37
MinceRno critical thinking courses + proselytizationJul 03 19:38
DaemonFCShe insisted that I was doing something illegal on the side because I was always well dressed and had stuff....Jul 03 19:38
MinceR(especially targeted at people in a vulnerable situation)Jul 03 19:38
DaemonFCI told her that she wouldn't believe the kind of clothing that rich people threw into the thrift store bins.Jul 03 19:38
DaemonFCSome of them still have the tags on them.Jul 03 19:38
DaemonFCMinceR: Yeah. One person can live comfortably enough on $15-16,000 a year.Jul 03 19:40
DaemonFCIf you have even one child, your standard of living will be destroyed.Jul 03 19:40
DaemonFCThe line of living comfortably vs. living in squalor is often having just one child.Jul 03 19:40
DaemonFCThe birth rate is going way down as people figure that out.Jul 03 19:41
DaemonFCThe rich criminals that run everything noticed this and are freaking out.Jul 03 19:41
DaemonFCIf it keeps up over 10-20 years, then wages for every job will have to rise because unemployment will go down.Jul 03 19:41
DaemonFCThey want to keep unemployment up and wages down, so they're promoting immigration, including 2-3 million unskilled people that we really don't need here.Jul 03 19:42
DaemonFC:)Jul 03 19:42
DaemonFCIdeal unemployment for them is high enough to where they set the wages, but not so high that it causes a catastrophe.Jul 03 19:43
DaemonFCThat's why you keep hearing the Federal Reserve calling 6.5% unemployment "good enough" as a target.Jul 03 19:43
DaemonFCRon Paul actually pointed out another scary thing about this Immigration bill.Jul 03 19:44
DaemonFCMandatory E-Verify.Jul 03 19:44
DaemonFCHe pointed out that it was likely that people would get on the "do not hire" list simply because they're on Obama's shitlist.Jul 03 19:45
DaemonFCI don't think that's out of the question. We've seen the other things he's done.Jul 03 19:45
DaemonFCHow long could it be before anyone who annoys the administration can't seem to find a job? :)Jul 03 19:46
DaemonFCMinceR: Is this going on in Hungaristan yet? :DJul 03 19:46
MinceRi think it depends on where you're looking for a jobJul 03 19:48
DaemonFCIt's also the final piece in forcing Social Security on everyone.Jul 03 19:48
MinceRboth the nazis and the commies admitted they have lists of who supports which kind of fascistJul 03 19:48
DaemonFCTechnically, parents still don't have to get a social security number for their children.Jul 03 19:48
DaemonFCIn practice, all of them do because the IRS won't give you the child tax credit unless you list a SSN for everyone you claim the credit on.Jul 03 19:49
DaemonFCThey started doing that in the 1980s.Jul 03 19:49
DaemonFCWithin a year, 7 million fictional children mysteriously disappeared. :DJul 03 19:49
MinceRi just received a link to an article on one major hungarian electricity provider maintaining a list on the political allegiance of their workersJul 03 19:49
DaemonFCBefore that, you told the IRS how many children you were declaring and it just had to accept whatever number you gave them.Jul 03 19:50
DaemonFCIt was technically fraud, but they never investigated anything that seemed reasonable.Jul 03 19:50
DaemonFCSo you had taxpayers with no children claiming that they had 4-5 children.Jul 03 19:50
MinceRalso, the state asked about religion in the censusJul 03 19:51
MinceRthey'll probably start persecuting non-christiansJul 03 19:51
DaemonFCEach child you claim exempts another $1,500 in gross income that you don't have to pay federal taxes on.Jul 03 19:51
DaemonFCSo it was an easy way to get several thousand dollars in deductions.Jul 03 19:51
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DaemonFCMinceR: They don't ask about religion on the US census.Jul 03 19:52
DaemonFCThere's a short form and a long form.Jul 03 19:52
MinceRsee, hungary is ahead of the us!Jul 03 19:52
DaemonFCAbout 1 in 10 people get the long form, called the American Community Survey.Jul 03 19:52
MinceRhungary shows the way to jesuslandJul 03 19:52
DaemonFCIt has about 150 questions on it.Jul 03 19:52
DaemonFCHow much rent do you pay?Jul 03 19:53
DaemonFCHow long is your commute to work?Jul 03 19:53
MinceRi own the apartment i live inJul 03 19:53
DaemonFCAll kinds of stuff.Jul 03 19:53
MinceRoh, you mean the census :>Jul 03 19:53
DaemonFCThey sent me one, and I filled out my name, address, and number of people who live at that address (1).Jul 03 19:53
DaemonFCThen I left the rest blank, signed it, and mailed it back.Jul 03 19:53
DaemonFCThey sent out a census worker to ask me about the rest. I told them that they were trespassing and they had five minutes to get off of my property before I called the police.Jul 03 19:54
DaemonFCMinceR: Yeah. The government just loves to know everything it can about us.Jul 03 19:55
DaemonFCEventually, I suspect that everyone will get the long form.Jul 03 19:55
DaemonFCThe people they send out to harass people that they think haven't sufficiently complied are just temporary employees.Jul 03 19:56
MinceRif i told a census worker that, i'd be laughed atJul 03 19:56
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DaemonFCThat's why unemployment went down so much for a few months in 2010.Jul 03 19:56
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DaemonFCObama was trying to say that thanks to his policies, unemployment levels were rapidly declining.Jul 03 19:57
DaemonFCThen as the census work died down and they started firing the temps, the rate came back up.Jul 03 19:57
DaemonFCIt's true that it was fortunate that the mandatory census occurred when it did.Jul 03 19:58
DaemonFCIt just so happened to be the reason for hundreds of thousands of temp jobs in the middle of the worst unemployment in nearly 100 years.Jul 03 19:59
DaemonFCBut, its effects were short lived and we were soon back to the "new normal"Jul 03 19:59
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MinceRhttp://www.theonion.com/articles/fuck-everything-were-doing-five-blades,11056/Jul 03 20:02
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Fuck Everything, We're Doing Five Blades | The Onion - America's Finest News Source .::. Size~: 36.88 KBJul 03 20:02
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DaemonFCA five blade razor is truly decadent.Jul 03 20:03
DaemonFCEach time they increase the blade count, the price of the heads goes up, a lot.Jul 03 20:03
DaemonFCI don't care how long they claim their blades last.Jul 03 20:04
DaemonFCI can't seem to use one for more than 6-7 shaves.Jul 03 20:04
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DaemonFCThe American Medical Association now says that being obese is a disease, not a lifestyle choice.Jul 03 20:08
MinceR:)Jul 03 20:08
DaemonFCI wasn't aware that eating the entire bag of potato chips and then going to the all you can eat buffet was a disease.Jul 03 20:08
DaemonFCWell, now we know.Jul 03 20:08
MinceRknowing is half the battle.Jul 03 20:09
MinceRand the other half is violence.Jul 03 20:09
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DaemonFChttp://www.wane.com/dpp/news/crime/Man-found-asleep-in-store-arrested-for-methJul 03 20:12
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DaemonFChttp://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/07/02/obama-delay-health-care-law/2484623/Jul 03 20:18
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Obama administration to delay part of Affordable Care Act .::. Size~: 30.7 KBJul 03 20:18
DaemonFCOf course the law doesn't let him do that, but he's selectively implementing laws with nobody challenging him, so it's likely that this won't be any different.Jul 03 20:19
DaemonFCMinceR: "I AM.....THE LAW!"Jul 03 20:20
DaemonFC:)Jul 03 20:20
MinceR:>Jul 03 20:20
DaemonFCI actually looked at the law to see if it gave him the authority to suspend that section, and it does not.Jul 03 20:21
DaemonFCIt says the implementation of that section is to begin on January 1, 2014.Jul 03 20:21
DaemonFCIt basically means that if anyone who is working for an employer that is not providing coverage that that section requires sues him, a court could order enforcement to begin immediately.Jul 03 20:22
DaemonFCBut, the legal process moves so slowly, that by the time it reached the Supreme Court, they wouldn't be able to decide on it until about 6 months after Obama says the new implementation date is to begin.Jul 03 20:23
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MinceRhttp://www.theonion.com/articles/sometimes-when-things-get-really-stressful-i-close,32863/?ref=autoJul 03 20:39
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Sometimes When Things Get Really Stressful, I Close My Eyes, Sit Back, And Pretend I’m Back In Kenya | The Onion - America's Finest News Source .::. Size~: 37.36 KBJul 03 20:39
DaemonFCThere's a program that replaced Angel Food Ministries.Jul 03 21:08
DaemonFCI hope it ends up here soon.Jul 03 21:08
DaemonFCThe way the old program worked, you just placed an order for boxes of pre-selected food and paid them whatever your total ended up being when you picked it up.Jul 03 21:09
DaemonFCIt wasn't income based, so it didn't matter how much money you made.Jul 03 21:09
DaemonFCThe old program was shut down because it turned out that the people running it were embezzling.Jul 03 21:10
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MinceRgnJul 03 22:02
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