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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2798046Jul 11 01:24
TechrightsBot-tr@greenfeat@joindiaspora.com: These statistics come from Bill Maher's film Religulous, and whether you like him or not, I think you have to admit it's a fair question. #billmaher, #atheism, #lobbyingJul 11 01:24
TechrightsBot-tr  Photo by greenfeat@joindiaspora.com: https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/thumb_medium_cc29c17810a23e21d518.jpgJul 11 01:24
schestowitz"More like lobby for policy based on evidence rather than mythology."Jul 11 01:24
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2826213Jul 11 01:24
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: All Aboard The Fractal Applecoaster http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-07-10/all-aboard-fractal-applecoaster #apple #hypeJul 11 01:24
sebsebsebschestowitz: Identi.ca is now pump.io have you seen?Jul 11 01:24
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: All Aboard The Fractal Applecoaster | Zero Hedge .::. Size~: 112.92 KBJul 11 01:24
schestowitz"It's both."Jul 11 01:24
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schestowitzsebsebseb: looking...Jul 11 01:24
schestowitzno, same as before, statusnet, sebsebsebJul 11 01:25
schestowitzunless there is a DNS changeoverJul 11 01:25
sebsebsebschestowitz: maybe you need to clear your cache :dJul 11 01:25
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2825073Jul 11 01:25
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: OK, I guess I got #Diaspora installed and running on the server side, need SSL certificate to take it liveJul 11 01:25
sebsebsebschestowitz: heh heh fooled you at last with that one :)Jul 11 01:25
schestowitz"Cool."Jul 11 01:26
schestowitzsebsebseb: not funnyJul 11 01:26
*sebsebseb thinks it was :)Jul 11 01:26
sebsebsebanyway that's the kind of joke now in general toJul 11 01:26
sebsebsebwhen will  idenit.castatusnet go pump.ioJul 11 01:26
sebsebsebbeen weeks now Jul 11 01:26
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2825922Jul 11 01:29
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Are You Making #PRISM or Other #NSA Changes? http://fossforce.com/2013/07/are-you-making-prism-or-other-nsa-changes/ A Free software perspectiveJul 11 01:29
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: Are You Making PRISM or Other NSA Changes? « FOSS ForceFOSS Force .::. Size~: 62.69 KBJul 11 01:29
schestowitzsebsebseb: I imagine work is being done to preserve the old dataJul 11 01:29
schestowitzbased on what evan found in earlier attemptsJul 11 01:30
sebsebsebyep probably that kind of thingJul 11 01:30
schestowitz"Jul 11 01:32
schestowitzGood article and dialogue. What is discussed is the conversation presents an interesting perspective. That said, I'm fascinated yet perplexed...Jul 11 01:32
schestowitzI couldn't help but notice that (on the one hand) statements are made about not changing behaviour, effectively a 'let the govt snoop if they want' -type reaction. On the other hand, rms is stating that he doesn't shy away from using Google for searches; however, he mentions using others' computers to do so.Jul 11 01:32
schestowitzIn doing so, rms basically turns the other user into a human shield (bad turn of phrase, I know - others escape me even now...), adding to that individual's profiling data collected by Google (which is then passed, scooped, or otherwise "handed off" to govt).Jul 11 01:32
schestowitzI can absolutely appreciate the idea disarming Google's data collecting activities/abilities, but this method seems a bit... unsavory, or (at the least) not as human-centric as one might expect of such a brilliant, open, free thinker. I don't mean any of this as insult, I'm genuinely curious where one draws the line.Jul 11 01:32
schestowitzAt what point should/could a user (who has nowhere near the resources of either good doctor) consider the idea of encrypting personal communication to keep nosey, Googley eyes out, yet bank on the idea that a motivated govt, should they crack said encryption, would only to reveal innocent communication and wasted efforts? Could this not be consider another way of thinking about the problem?Jul 11 01:32
schestowitz"Jul 11 01:32
schestowitzI like the human shield analogy and I agree.Jul 11 01:32
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cubezzzha, just saw Nimoy on Dragnet (1954)Jul 11 05:40
cubezzzone of the bad guysJul 11 05:40
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2825922Jul 11 08:13
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Are You Making #PRISM or Other #NSA Changes? http://fossforce.com/2013/07/are-you-making-prism-or-other-nsa-changes/ A Free software perspectiveJul 11 08:13
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: Are You Making PRISM or Other NSA Changes? « FOSS ForceFOSS Force .::. Size~: 62.69 KBJul 11 08:13
schestowitz"Just an observation, really. I suppose I am of the mind that (to one degree or other) we're all in this together, that we all have something to gain by working toward a unified goal: achieving the right balance between rights, security, and privacy. Technology is a wonderful thing when it's neither abused nor turned against innocent people."Jul 11 08:13
sebsebsebschestowitz: ident.ca is pump.io for real nowJul 11 08:14
schestowitz"Jul 11 08:14
schestowitzI typically don't let people borrow my computer because I know that they will want to Google something or get on Facebook. I let them know the rules beforehand. If someone is kind enough to let me use their computer, I return the favor by not using spyware.Jul 11 08:14
schestowitzWhich would probably look weird to whomever is monitoring Internet traffic from said computer, as everything would be an encrypted jumble for about an hour. "Oh, looks like Fred let some paranoiac borrow his computer!"Jul 11 08:14
schestowitzI think it's odd that rms would say such a thing.Jul 11 08:14
schestowitz"Jul 11 08:14
sebsebsebschestowitz: see for yourself if you do or don't believe meJul 11 08:15
schestowitzyes "login" button doesn't workJul 11 08:17
schestowitznot even in chromiumJul 11 08:18
schestowitzboth firefox and chromiumJul 11 08:18
schestowitzso that already starts with uter s***Jul 11 08:18
schestowitzCan't even log in, the button doesn't work in FOSS browsers that are mainstreamJul 11 08:18
schestowitznow my accunt is saiid not to even be there for password recovertJul 11 08:22
schestowitzLOLJul 11 08:22
schestowitzwhnat a predictablefailJul 11 08:22
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/conversations?conversation_id=39010Jul 11 08:22
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Diaspora* / Sign in .::. Size~: 8.69 KBJul 11 08:22
schestowitz"Jul 11 08:22
schestowitzHi there, I know you are on identi.ca and I have a question. Since this morning I try to connect on identi.ca but it moved to pump.io and I can't login anymore. I tried to connect with my mail/pwd as with the old identi.ca version and also create a new login. No success.Jul 11 08:22
schestowitzCould you help me please Jul 11 08:22
schestowitz"Jul 11 08:22
schestowitzI have the same problemJul 11 08:22
sebsebsebschestowitz: apparantly log in button needs javascriptJul 11 08:22
sebsebsebsomeone told me just nowJul 11 08:23
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2827637Jul 11 08:23
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: So #identica migrated to #pumpio and off to bad start. Can't even log in, the button doesn't work in FOSS browsers that are mainstreamJul 11 08:23
schestowitz"I see that ... Too bad ! (I sent you a message about it :p)"Jul 11 08:23
schestowitzsebsebseb:  that's not the issueJul 11 08:23
schestowitzit waits for more input before it works, even though the password is shorterJul 11 08:23
schestowitzand can't recover itJul 11 08:24
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2827637Jul 11 08:24
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: So #identica migrated to #pumpio and off to bad start. Can't even log in, the button doesn't work in FOSS browsers that are mainstreamJul 11 08:24
schestowitz"I saw that ... Too bad ! (I sent you a message about it :p)"Jul 11 08:24
sebsebsebschestowitz: you can go to #pump.io for helpJul 11 08:26
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/conversations?conversation_id=39010Jul 11 08:29
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Diaspora* / Sign in .::. Size~: 8.69 KBJul 11 08:29
schestowitz"Jul 11 08:29
schestowitzhmm ... wait n' see. But it strange.Jul 11 08:29
schestowitzWell, identi.ca was a good tool. I really don't understand why they change to pump.io.Jul 11 08:29
schestowitzI tested pump.io recently (1 month ago) and I prefer Status.net.Jul 11 08:29
schestowitz"Jul 11 08:29
schestowitzsebsebseb: other people have the same issue, the site is broken, give them time to fix itJul 11 08:30
schestowitzand if evan didn't migrate the data and just tthrew it all away, then his site can go toHellJul 11 08:30
sebsebsebschestowitz: just go to  #pmp.io for help in fact someone is there right now that knows a lot about it and will help youJul 11 08:30
schestowitzBTW,. the reason you don't see dents in this channel anymore is this misguided and unnecessary move to this other platformJul 11 08:31
sebsebsebschestowitz: my data is there :)Jul 11 08:31
schestowitzURL in same old form?Jul 11 08:31
schestowitzI.e. URL form?Jul 11 08:31
sebsebsebschestowitz: well of course you would have to set something new up for pumpJul 11 08:31
schestowitzLike, if you access old URLS,404?Jul 11 08:32
sebsebsebI guess that;s ok I'lll look at pump properly laterJul 11 08:32
sebsebsebyou can ask such questions in #pump.io thoughJul 11 08:33
sebsebsebI think the idea of pump is for federated social networking to have more of a chance to go more mainstreamJul 11 08:34
sebsebsebcompete properly against Facebook and Twitter and such maybe one dayJul 11 08:35
sebsebsebschestowitz: maybe gone to pump to early for identi.caJul 11 08:44
sebsebsebschestowitz: groups are gone I say to someone and they are like its still quite alpha/betaJul 11 08:45
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2825577Jul 11 08:51
sebsebsebschestowitz: seems password recover option not working for me in Firefox eitherJul 11 08:51
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #CyanogenMod Now Allows Google Voice Messages In Stock Message App  http://www.muktware.com/5708/cyanogenmod-now-allows-google-voice-messages-stock-message-app #android #linuxJul 11 08:51
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: CyanogenMod Now Allows Google Voice Messages In Stock Message App | Muktware .::. Size~: 62.55 KBJul 11 08:51
schestowitz"Microsoft would sue for violating their Skype instant to NSA patent if that were true."Jul 11 08:51
schestowitz"Jul 11 08:51
schestowitzI was disappointed the other day to see that all the "phone" type applications for Android need a SIM card, even those that claim to only need wifi, like Vonage does.Jul 11 08:51
schestowitzhttps://plus.google.com/u/0/113579520393333767984/posts/EG25UdmzcL3Jul 11 08:51
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Will Hill - Google+ - Disappointing Adventure in Android  A few weeks ago, I… .::. Size~: 237.85 KBJul 11 08:51
schestowitzNext I'll try their hangouts. If that does not work, I've exhausted what should be the easy methods.Jul 11 08:51
schestowitz"Jul 11 08:51
sebsebsebschestowitz: I guess loads of people on it so some issues etcJul 11 08:52
schestowitzsebsebseb:  I can see https://identi.ca/schestowitzJul 11 08:52
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Dr. Roy Schestowitz - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 248.15 KBJul 11 08:52
schestowitzbut can't log inJul 11 08:52
schestowitzi doesn't look like a copy of diasporaJul 11 08:53
sebsebsebit does or doedn;tJul 11 08:53
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/boycottnovellJul 11 08:54
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Techrights' IRC Aggregator - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 242.44 KBJul 11 08:54
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/techrightsJul 11 08:54
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Techrights - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 101.42 KBJul 11 08:54
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/techbytesJul 11 08:55
TechrightsBot-trTitle: TechBytes - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 127.15 KBJul 11 08:55
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/bytesmediaJul 11 08:55
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Bytes Media - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 119.72 KBJul 11 08:55
schestowitzsebsebseb: I think he did code things so as to preserve old data and URLsJul 11 09:00
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2827666Jul 11 09:15
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Microsoft Windows Has New NSA Back Doors, Copies Spyware From Ubuntu http://techrights.org/2013/07/11/spyware-from-ubuntu/ #privacy #windows #ubuntuJul 11 09:15
schestowitz"That's one of many reasons why I dislike Ubuntu and hate Windows"Jul 11 09:15
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schestowitz"Well I don't use Microsoft or Canonical so... I'm good. I recommend the rest of you to pay attention to what is going on, and move on as needed."Jul 11 09:16
sebsebsebschestowitz: you use UbuntuJul 11 09:18
sebsebsebI thinkJul 11 09:18
schestowitzNo, Kubuntu and DebianJul 11 09:21
MinceRkubuntu is still canonical, isn't it? :>Jul 11 09:23
sebsebsebMinceR: to some extent I gueesJul 11 09:24
sebsebsebsince uses Ubuntu repo'sJul 11 09:24
MinceRgeekingsJul 11 09:28
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schestowitzkubuntu is not canonicalJul 11 10:10
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2827666Jul 11 10:21
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Microsoft Windows Has New NSA Back Doors, Copies Spyware From Ubuntu http://techrights.org/2013/07/11/spyware-from-ubuntu/ #privacy #windows #ubuntuJul 11 10:21
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: Microsoft Windows Has New NSA Back Doors, Copies Spyware From Ubuntu | Techrights .::. Size~: 92.39 KBJul 11 10:21
schestowitz"I'm using Debian & Mint Only"Jul 11 10:21
schestowitzDebian and Kubuntu for meJul 11 10:21
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/erwrogers/status/355255532728225792Jul 11 10:22
TechrightsBot-trNot a tweet?Jul 11 10:22
schestowitz"@schestowitz Very useful message"Jul 11 10:22
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schestowitzhttp://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-57592769-75/microsoft-will-reportedly-unveil-major-restructuring-thursday/?part=rss&subj=news&tag=titleJul 11 11:46
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft will reportedly unveil major restructuring Thursday | Microsoft - CNET News .::. Size~: 81.32 KBJul 11 11:46
schestowitztodayJul 11 11:46
schestowitzlayoffs would be hiddenJul 11 11:46
schestowitz"Windows OS engineering would be folded into the portfolio of current Windows Phone software"Jul 11 11:47
schestowitzSo many developers likely to be made ruedundanyJul 11 11:47
MinceRrearranging the deck chairs on the TitanicJul 11 11:47
schestowitz*redundantJul 11 11:47
MinceRapparently the intent is to hide units that bleed money from shareholders :>Jul 11 11:48
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/cafonso/status/355283477312184321Jul 11 12:40
TechrightsBot-trNot a tweet?Jul 11 12:40
schestowitz"Adobe CFF Engine Release Improves Linux, Android Mobile Text Experience @scoopit via @schestowitz http://sco.lt/6HR2bB"Jul 11 12:40
TechrightsBot-trNot a web page! Aborting text/plain typeJul 11 12:40
MinceRi have my doubtsJul 11 12:42
MinceRespecially considering that a) i've never seen a properly configured freetype fuck up the way adobe allegesJul 11 12:43
MinceRb) adobe's supposed "developers" keep complaining that certain things that many other people did are impossible to doJul 11 12:43
MinceRand c) adobe's products suck like a black holeJul 11 12:43
MinceR(except for postscript)Jul 11 12:44
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ZiomatrixMS embarks on same business strategy that put Apple in the wilderness: http://tinyurl.com/jwux3ryJul 11 15:00
TechrightsBot-trTitle: "One Microsoft": Ballmer Finally Announces "Far-Reaching Realignment"  - Kara Swisher - News - AllThingsD .::. Size~: 66.71 KBJul 11 15:00
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iophkDEFCON is coming up.  If Snowden is still kicking around the airport in Russia when it takes place, it would be interesting for him to give a video talk.Jul 11 15:41
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iophkreorg : http://search.dilbert.com/comic/Rotate%20TiresJul 11 16:21
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MinceR:DJul 11 16:23
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2827873Jul 11 17:26
TechrightsBot-tr@linux@joindiaspora.com: GIMP 2.8.6 released and Installation instructions included http://www.ubuntugeek.com/gimp-2-8-6-released-and-installation-instructions-included.htmlJul 11 17:26
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schestowitz"It's... It's here...It's... It's here...z"Jul 11 17:26
schestowitziophk: yeahJul 11 17:26
schestowitzMy cousin:Jul 11 17:28
schestowitzRe: Article: London’s police spend over $16,000 per day to stake out Julian Assange> Flat 3b, 3 Hans Crescent is the address of the Embassy of Ecuador inJul 11 17:28
schestowitz> London.Cyrus FarivarAccording to a new letter from the MetropolitanJul 11 17:28
schestowitz> Police, London is spending an average of £10,982 ($16,384) per day toJul 11 17:28
schestowitz> stake out the Ecuadorian Embassy where Julian Assange has been holed upJul 11 17:28
schestowitz> for the last 386 d...Jul 11 17:28
schestowitz> Jul 11 17:28
schestowitz> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/07/londons-police-is-spending-11-per-minute-to-stake-out-julian-assange/Jul 11 17:28
TechrightsBot-trTitle: London’s police spend over $16,000 per day to stake out Julian Assange | Ars Technica .::. Size~: 39.78 KBJul 11 17:28
schestowitz> Jul 11 17:28
schestowitz> Sent via Flipboard <http://flpbd.it/now>Jul 11 17:28
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schestowitzOf course, that is our police's fault. Julian didn't ask them to 'protect' (besiege) him and he's no threat in any way, except in his communication which NSA/GCHQ will eavesdrop on. A bug (microphone) was recently found planted in the embassy and they don't know who planted it there.Jul 11 17:29
iophkhttp://arstechnica.com/security/2013/07/for-first-time-ever-feds-asked-to-sit-out-defcon-hacker-conference/Jul 11 17:34
TechrightsBot-trTitle: For first time ever, feds asked to sit out Defcon hacker conference | Ars Technica .::. Size~: 42.25 KBJul 11 17:34
schestowitz> Yeah, not surprising that the Embassy is full of bugsJul 11 17:41
schestowitzwhat's the MS newsJul 11 17:41
schestowitz!google microsoft reorgJul 11 17:41
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Drumbeat about Microsoft reorg grows louder | PCWorld | http://www.pcworld.com/article/2043938/drumbeat-about-microsoft-reorg-grows-louder.htmlJul 11 17:41
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - 'Major' Microsoft reorg expected by July 1st as Ballmer contemplates ... | http://www.theverge.com/2013/6/23/4457082/microsoft-reorg-expected-by-july-1st-rumorJul 11 17:41
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Microsoft Reorg Rumors Heat Up - Cloud Computing - Software as a | http://www.informationweek.com/cloud-computing/software/microsoft-reorg-rumors-heat-up/240157200Jul 11 17:41
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Drumbeat about Microsoft reorg grows louder | The Industry ... | http://www.infoworld.com/d/the-industry-standard/drumbeat-about-microsoft-reorg-grows-louder-222342Jul 11 17:41
schestowitzused tobe july 1stJul 11 17:41
schestowitzthey delayed it by 10 daysJul 11 17:41
schestowitzany layoffs openly spoken about?Jul 11 17:41
schestowitz[15:00] <Ziomatrix> MS embarks on same business strategy that put Apple in the wilderness: http://tinyurl.com/jwux3ryJul 11 17:41
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schestowitzsome marketing euphemismsJul 11 17:41
schestowitzfor redundanciesJul 11 17:41
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DaemonFCIf you have a place in Hell and a place in Indiana, live in Hell, and rent out the place in Indiana. Jul 11 17:43
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DaemonFCMy internet service was down for pretty much all of yesterday.Jul 11 17:59
DaemonFCThen I tried using Steam in offline mode, and it wouldn't let me.Jul 11 17:59
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DaemonFC ZOMG PINK PONIES says:Jul 11 18:14
DaemonFChttp://www.washingtonpost.com/local/wal-mart-calls-dc-councils-living-wage-bill-a-bait-and-switch-tactic/2013/07/06/576b758a-e35c-11e2-80eb-3145e2994a55_story.htmlJul 11 18:14
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Wal-Mart calls D.C. Council’s ‘living wage’ bill a bait-and-switch tactic - The Washington Post .::. Size~: 168.37 KBJul 11 18:14
DaemonFCFrom the article:Jul 11 18:14
DaemonFC"They promised they were going to start people at $13 an hour, and they said that over and over and over," said the Rev. Graylan Hagler, senior pastor at Plymouth Congregational Church in Northeast Washington.Jul 11 18:14
DaemonFCWal-Mart spokesman Steven Restivo confirmed that the company plans to pay D.C. workers at least what it says it now pays full-time employees in suburban Virginia - an average of $12.39 an hour. He nonetheless called the council's initiative an unfair bait-and-switch tactic. Jul 11 18:14
DaemonFC ZOMG PINK PONIES says:Jul 11 18:14
DaemonFC(After they're moved in)Jul 11 18:14
DaemonFC"Oh. Did we say $13? Did we tell you $12.39? We meant $8. Yeah. $8." Jul 11 18:14
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DaemonFC ZOMG PINK PONIES says:Jul 11 18:16
DaemonFC"Oh, you're gonna hold us to that!? Well! Nevermind! I guess you don't need a few hundred part time jobs with no health insurance that cram out a few hundred good jobs somewhere else and force 2/3rds of the workers onto welfare!" Jul 11 18:16
DaemonFC ZOMG PINK PONIES says:Jul 11 18:18
DaemonFCA. Conservative will say (I've spared him the effort):Jul 11 18:18
DaemonFCWhat!? Nobody gets "forced" onto welfare. They could like....stop eating. Never go to the doctor! Wait until something gets so bad that they hobble into an ER and lose a foot! Jul 11 18:18
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iophkhttp://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/07/riaa-asks-infamous-file-sharer/Jul 11 18:40
TechrightsBot-trTitle: RIAA Wants Infamous File-Sharer to Campaign Against Piracy | Threat Level | Wired.com .::. Size~: 122.71 KBJul 11 18:40
schestowitzthe new identica is disappointingJul 11 18:42
schestowitzhardly any features at all and so far many things are broken and the archives of posts are not accessibleJul 11 18:42
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iophkare the archives gone for good or just missing till they get fixed up and available again?Jul 11 18:51
schestowitziophk: new page http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Slashdot\Jul 11 18:57
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schestowitziophk: I think the plan is to fix themJul 11 18:58
schestowitzsome new posts too are not accessible, it's still rather buggyJul 11 18:58
schestowitzit seems like change for the sake of changJul 11 18:58
schestowitzeven if it's suckyJul 11 18:58
schestowitzand I cannot connect various sites with identica anymore/for nowJul 11 18:58
*schestowitz prepares "Microsoft Booster Becomes Seniot Editor at Slashdot"Jul 11 18:59
iophkGood ideaJul 11 19:00
iophkIf there were a way to track the degradation and see if it cooresponds with the sale to Dice, then that would help too.  What is Dice's influence?Jul 11 19:01
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2827907Jul 11 20:01
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: At NBC News, the Anchor Has to Remind You You're Not Watching an Ad http://www.fair.org/blog/2013/07/10/at-nbc-news-the-anchor-has-to-remind-you-youre-not-watching-an-ad/ #nbc #astroturfJul 11 20:01
schestowitz"Jul 11 20:01
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: At NBC News, the Anchor Has to Remind You You're Not Watching an Ad .::. Size~: 60.29 KBJul 11 20:01
schestowitzRichard Nixon: "I am not a crook"Jul 11 20:01
schestowitzBarack Obama: "I am not a dictator"Jul 11 20:01
schestowitzBrian Williams: "This is not an ad".Jul 11 20:02
schestowitz"Jul 11 20:02
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schestowitziophk: in case you have n not seen it yet http://m.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/11/microsoft-nsa-collaboration-user-dataJul 11 20:14
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Revealed: how Microsoft handed the NSA access to encrypted messages .::. Size~: 82.14 KBJul 11 20:14
schestowitzreleased about an hour agoJul 11 20:14
schestowitzI will have a FIELD DAY with this oneJul 11 20:14
DaemonFCLooks like AT&T finally got around to upgrading the phone lines in this area.Jul 11 20:14
schestowitzMore so than cablegateJul 11 20:14
schestowitzThat's it, MS credibility is goneJul 11 20:14
iophkWhat are they doing with the Nokia phones too?Jul 11 20:14
schestowitzNo business can trust them anymoreJul 11 20:14
DaemonFCYou can get 12 Mbps DSL now. *sigh*Jul 11 20:14
*DaemonFC wishes someone would offer something better than Comcast.Jul 11 20:15
schestowitzThis article already spreads like fire across the NetJul 11 20:15
schestowitzFor the past hourJul 11 20:15
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schestowitzSkype video callsJul 11 20:15
schestowitzRecorded by the NSAJul 11 20:15
schestowitzI can not object to using Skype with very reasonable explanationJul 11 20:15
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schestowitzI will have a FIELD DAY with this oneJul 11 15:14
DaemonFCLooks like AT&T finally got around to upgrading the phone lines in this area.Jul 11 15:14
schestowitzMore so than cablegateJul 11 15:14
schestowitzThat's it, MS credibility is goneJul 11 15:14
iophkWhat are they doing with the Nokia phones too?Jul 11 15:14
schestowitzNo business can trust them anymoreJul 11 15:14
DaemonFCYou can get 12 Mbps DSL now. *sigh*Jul 11 15:14
*DaemonFC wishes someone would offer something better than Comcast.Jul 11 15:15
schestowitzThis article already spreads like fire across the NetJul 11 15:15
schestowitzFor the past hourJul 11 15:15
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schestowitzSkype video callsJul 11 15:15
schestowitzRecorded by the NSAJul 11 15:15
schestowitzI can not object to using Skype with very reasonable explanationJul 11 15:15
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iophk[22:14] <schestowitz> iophk: in case you have n not seen it yetJul 11 15:29
iophkAbout that article,Jul 11 15:29
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DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uagvW6tlAkJul 11 15:59
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Sleep Innovations 12Inch SureTemp Memory Foam Mattress lowes - YouTube .::. Size~: 105.67 KBJul 11 15:59
DaemonFCJabba says: "What's in the BOOOOOOOOOX!?" :)Jul 11 16:00
DaemonFCThey vacuum packed it.Jul 11 16:00
DaemonFCI could tell the UPS guy wasn't thrilled.Jul 11 16:01
DaemonFCHe had to park out on the street and lug it up the driveway. :/Jul 11 16:01
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iophkhttp://falkvinge.net/2013/07/03/finnish-initiative/Jul 11 16:31
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Finnish Copyright Monopoly Reform Initiative Needs 20k More Signatures - Falkvinge on Infopolicy .::. Size~: 246.97 KBJul 11 16:31
iophkhttps://www.eff.org/pages/tor-and-httpsJul 11 16:35
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MinceRhttps://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1069916_622115364479206_135859338_n.jpgJul 11 16:48
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2825922#Jul 11 16:56
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Are You Making #PRISM or Other #NSA Changes? http://fossforce.com/2013/07/are-you-making-prism-or-other-nsa-changes/ A Free software perspectiveJul 11 16:56
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: Are You Making PRISM or Other NSA Changes?  FOSS ForceFOSS Force .::. Size~: 64.8 KBJul 11 16:56
schestowitz"Jul 11 16:57
schestowitzActually if you pay close attention to the NSA slides that are leaked as well as the FISA documents so far, it is clear you are far more likely to have your web traffic siphoned and analyzed if your connections are encrypted than not. The NSA captures all encrypted traffic with the idea that if it's encrypted it must be important and thus saved and subject to analysis at a later date. Whether or not they can Jul 11 16:57
schestowitzbreak or have a backdoor into said encryption is a matter of debate at this moment.Jul 11 16:57
schestowitzIn response to user another's computer for a Google search, it seems like a good tactic to me. In fact I know many people who randomly search for things on Google they are uninterested to confuse TPTB. Using another's computer for a Google search does the same thing, the algorithms or individuals analysing search history will have a monkey thrown into the wrench so to speak. The same tactic can be used for Jul 11 16:57
schestowitztargeted advertising algorithms.Jul 11 16:57
schestowitzAs for getting in trouble for what another has done on your computer, time and time again the real life situations have shown that more often than not people are let off the hook in situations where they are initially incriminated for another's Internet behaviors. Such as been the case with many people who broadcast open wifi hotspots. Everyone tries to scare them into believing they will be prosecuted and such Jul 11 16:57
schestowitzbut the charges are almost always dropped because with so many people using the connection it's hard to tell who really looked at what.Jul 11 16:57
schestowitz"Jul 11 16:57
schestowitzI heard that statusnet will be forked or succeeded by GNU Scoai from Matt leeJul 11 17:00
schestowitzhttp://foocorp.org/projects/social/2011/01/a-new-website-for-gnu-social/Jul 11 17:00
TechrightsBot-trTitle: A new website for GNU social - GNU social .::. Size~: 8.74 KBJul 11 17:00
schestowitzBut no update since 2011Jul 11 17:00
schestowitzSeems like vapourwareJul 11 17:01
schestowitzall he did was tweets that he would continue statusnetJul 11 17:01
schestowitzwhich given how shitty pumpio is, I think I'll set up a statusnet instance in techrightsJul 11 17:01
schestowitzrather than diaspora whic is unstable and a messJul 11 17:01
schestowitzhard to install, not even final releaseJul 11 17:01
schestowitz"Jul 11 17:04
schestowitzHi Evan,Jul 11 17:04
schestowitzCan you send me a full backup of the account from my statusnet account in identi.ca (account schestowitz)? I am going to set up a StatusNet 1.1.0 instance and then import this data into it, which I hope is simply to achieve.Jul 11 17:04
schestowitz"Jul 11 17:04
DaemonFC ZOMG PINK PONIES says:Jul 11 17:10
DaemonFCWell, they usually pay better anyway.Jul 11 17:10
DaemonFCSome of the Meijer stores around the Fort Wayne area are unionized, and the start out pay is significantly higher than Walmart's. The price for the merchandise is similar. Some prices are lower, some are higher, but never by much. I'd say the average is probably the same.Jul 11 17:10
DaemonFCThe biggest difference is that a few extra dollars go into the pockets of the workers instead of the people who own the company.Jul 11 17:10
DaemonFCThankfully, there is a new Costco being built, with a second one proposed. There's also another Meijer being proposed. Combined with the rest of the hiring going on in the Fort Wayne area lately, and with any luck, it will put upward pressure on Walmart to raise wages. As the unemployment rate goes down and people can be a little bit pickier about where they choose to work, wages rise. Wages at Walmart will always be lower than a similar job Jul 11 17:10
DaemonFCelsewhere, but they only have so much wiggle room.Jul 11 17:10
DaemonFCWithout the competition, businesses are basically free to pay minimum wage, which is depressingly low, and nobody can afford to argue with it because it's that or nothing. I'm excited about the employment prospects in that area.Jul 11 17:10
DaemonFCThe Republican-controlled hickville that I live in hasn't added jobs to a significant extent since the recession officially ended, but we're close enough to Fort Wayne that maybe a rising tide will lift our boat, despite the evil incompetent bastards that run Huntington. Jul 11 17:10
DaemonFC(on unionized retail)Jul 11 17:10
DaemonFCOur mayor is the most worthless sack of shit in Indiana.Jul 11 17:13
DaemonFCThe U6 unemployment hasn't budged in years, but every time there's a ribbon and a camera nearby, expect an appearance from the mayor.Jul 11 17:14
DaemonFCHe's not as incendiary and offensive as his predecessor, but he's as functionally worthless.Jul 11 17:15
DaemonFCThe last one couldn't get a tax hike rammed through, so he punished the city by canceling trash pick up for more than three weeks.Jul 11 17:16
DaemonFCWhen someone demanded that the trash pick up resume, and pointed out that our effective tax rate is the second highest of any county in Indiana, he replied by calling them "Taliban terrorists".Jul 11 17:16
DaemonFCSo they compromised. They raised taxes as much as he wanted to raise them to begin with, and called it a fee instead, and then started his next campaign boasting that the tax rate never increased under his "leadership".Jul 11 17:17
DaemonFCThey also started a "Grow Huntington" grant (I'm not sure if that's the exact name) with the promise of jobs, but what it really ended up doing was paying out tax money that they took from tax payers, to give to private businesses who are making a profit, so that they can upgrade their own property.Jul 11 17:19
DaemonFCThey recently approved $130,000 to replace an awning covering the sidewalk outside of an insurance agency. That's just an example.Jul 11 17:20
DaemonFCMeanwhile, meanwhile..... Walmart is still enjoying effectively tax free status because they agreed to a ten year tax abatement in exchange for the promise of jobs, which mostly never appeared, are not full time, and pay close to minimum wage.Jul 11 17:21
DaemonFChttp://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/07/11/1222847/-Reid-tells-Republicans-to-be-reasonable-or-deal-with-the-nbsp-consequencesJul 11 17:38
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Daily Kos: Reid tells Republicans to be reasonable or deal with theconsequences .::. Size~: 102.62 KBJul 11 17:38
DaemonFCHopefully he means it this time.Jul 11 17:38
DaemonFCThere's over 200 vacant positions for judges in the federal court system, and most federal agencies are being ran by acting commissioners, including Social Security.Jul 11 17:39
MinceRgnJul 11 18:13
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DaemonFCI've actually called Walmart's district office a few times.Jul 11 19:09
DaemonFCIn the last email I wrote to them, I told them that the store looked like it was having a going out of business sale and that it took me over 30 minutes to check out.Jul 11 19:10
DaemonFCThey keep having managers call me and promising to fix the problems, and every time I walk in the store, it's actually worse.Jul 11 19:10
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DaemonFCFrom a conversation with someone else:Jul 11 22:37
DaemonFCMcAfee themselves have been using malware-style distribution tactics lately.Jul 11 22:37
DaemonFCSomehow this McAfee Security Scan thing got on Dave's computer.Jul 11 22:37
DaemonFCIt pops up a box saying you should buy McAfee every now and then, and as far as I can tell, that's all it does.Jul 11 22:38
DaemonFCProbably came bundled with some "freeware" he installed.Jul 11 22:38
DaemonFCPerson I'm talking to: "they say there's still possible exploits with the router, but idk what that means"Jul 11 22:41
DaemonFCMe:Jul 11 22:41
DaemonFCSome routers have security vulnerabilities in their firmware which can be used to temporarily install malware on them.Jul 11 22:41
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iophk[22:14] <schestowitz> iophk: in case you have n not seen it yetJul 11 20:29
iophkAbout that article,Jul 11 20:29
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DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uagvW6tlAkJul 11 20:59
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Sleep Innovations 12Inch SureTemp Memory Foam Mattress lowes - YouTube .::. Size~: 105.67 KBJul 11 20:59
DaemonFCJabba says: "What's in the BOOOOOOOOOX!?" :)Jul 11 21:00
DaemonFCThey vacuum packed it.Jul 11 21:00
DaemonFCI could tell the UPS guy wasn't thrilled.Jul 11 21:01
DaemonFCHe had to park out on the street and lug it up the driveway. :/Jul 11 21:01
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iophkhttp://falkvinge.net/2013/07/03/finnish-initiative/Jul 11 21:31
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Finnish Copyright Monopoly Reform Initiative Needs 20k More Signatures - Falkvinge on Infopolicy .::. Size~: 246.97 KBJul 11 21:31
iophkhttps://www.eff.org/pages/tor-and-httpsJul 11 21:35
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2825922#Jul 11 21:56
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Are You Making #PRISM or Other #NSA Changes? http://fossforce.com/2013/07/are-you-making-prism-or-other-nsa-changes/ A Free software perspectiveJul 11 21:56
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schestowitz"Jul 11 21:57
schestowitzActually if you pay close attention to the NSA slides that are leaked as well as the FISA documents so far, it is clear you are far more likely to have your web traffic siphoned and analyzed if your connections are encrypted than not. The NSA captures all encrypted traffic with the idea that if it's encrypted it must be important and thus saved and subject to analysis at a later date. Whether or not they can Jul 11 21:57
schestowitzbreak or have a backdoor into said encryption is a matter of debate at this moment.Jul 11 21:57
schestowitzIn response to user another's computer for a Google search, it seems like a good tactic to me. In fact I know many people who randomly search for things on Google they are uninterested to confuse TPTB. Using another's computer for a Google search does the same thing, the algorithms or individuals analysing search history will have a monkey thrown into the wrench so to speak. The same tactic can be used for Jul 11 21:57
schestowitztargeted advertising algorithms.Jul 11 21:57
schestowitzAs for getting in trouble for what another has done on your computer, time and time again the real life situations have shown that more often than not people are let off the hook in situations where they are initially incriminated for another's Internet behaviors. Such as been the case with many people who broadcast open wifi hotspots. Everyone tries to scare them into believing they will be prosecuted and suchJul 11 21:57
schestowitzbut the charges are almost always dropped because with so many people using the connection it's hard to tell who really looked at what.Jul 11 21:57
schestowitz"Jul 11 21:57
schestowitzI heard that statusnet will be forked or succeeded by GNU Scoai from Matt leeJul 11 22:00
schestowitzhttp://foocorp.org/projects/social/2011/01/a-new-website-for-gnu-social/Jul 11 22:00
TechrightsBot-trTitle: A new website for GNU social - GNU social .::. Size~: 8.74 KBJul 11 22:00
schestowitzBut no update since 2011Jul 11 22:00
schestowitzSeems like vapourwareJul 11 22:01
schestowitzall he did was tweets that he would continue statusnetJul 11 22:01
schestowitzwhich given how shitty pumpio is, I think I'll set up a statusnet instance in techrightsJul 11 22:01
schestowitzrather than diaspora whic is unstable and a messJul 11 22:01
schestowitzhard to install, not even final releaseJul 11 22:01
schestowitz"Jul 11 22:04
schestowitzHi Evan,Jul 11 22:04
schestowitzCan you send me a full backup of the account from my statusnet account in identi.ca (account schestowitz)? I am going to set up a StatusNet 1.1.0 instance and then import this data into it, which I hope is simply to achieve.Jul 11 22:04
schestowitz"Jul 11 22:04
DaemonFC ZOMG PINK PONIES says:Jul 11 22:10
DaemonFCWell, they usually pay better anyway.Jul 11 22:10
DaemonFCSome of the Meijer stores around the Fort Wayne area are unionized, and the start out pay is significantly higher than Walmart's. The price for the merchandise is similar. Some prices are lower, some are higher, but never by much. I'd say the average is probably the same.Jul 11 22:10
DaemonFCThe biggest difference is that a few extra dollars go into the pockets of the workers instead of the people who own the company.Jul 11 22:10
DaemonFCThankfully, there is a new Costco being built, with a second one proposed. There's also another Meijer being proposed. Combined with the rest of the hiring going on in the Fort Wayne area lately, and with any luck, it will put upward pressure on Walmart to raise wages. As the unemployment rate goes down and people can be a little bit pickier about where they choose to work, wages rise. Wages at Walmart will always be lower than a similar job Jul 11 22:10
DaemonFCelsewhere, but they only have so much wiggle room.Jul 11 22:10
DaemonFCWithout the competition, businesses are basically free to pay minimum wage, which is depressingly low, and nobody can afford to argue with it because it's that or nothing. I'm excited about the employment prospects in that area.Jul 11 22:10
DaemonFCThe Republican-controlled hickville that I live in hasn't added jobs to a significant extent since the recession officially ended, but we're close enough to Fort Wayne that maybe a rising tide will lift our boat, despite the evil incompetent bastards that run Huntington. Jul 11 22:10
DaemonFC(on unionized retail)Jul 11 22:10
DaemonFCOur mayor is the most worthless sack of shit in Indiana.Jul 11 22:13
DaemonFCThe U6 unemployment hasn't budged in years, but every time there's a ribbon and a camera nearby, expect an appearance from the mayor.Jul 11 22:14
DaemonFCHe's not as incendiary and offensive as his predecessor, but he's as functionally worthless.Jul 11 22:15
DaemonFCThe last one couldn't get a tax hike rammed through, so he punished the city by canceling trash pick up for more than three weeks.Jul 11 22:16
DaemonFCWhen someone demanded that the trash pick up resume, and pointed out that our effective tax rate is the second highest of any county in Indiana, he replied by calling them "Taliban terrorists".Jul 11 22:16
DaemonFCSo they compromised. They raised taxes as much as he wanted to raise them to begin with, and called it a fee instead, and then started his next campaign boasting that the tax rate never increased under his "leadership".Jul 11 22:17
DaemonFCThey also started a "Grow Huntington" grant (I'm not sure if that's the exact name) with the promise of jobs, but what it really ended up doing was paying out tax money that they took from tax payers, to give to private businesses who are making a profit, so that they can upgrade their own property.Jul 11 22:19
DaemonFCThey recently approved $130,000 to replace an awning covering the sidewalk outside of an insurance agency. That's just an example.Jul 11 22:20
DaemonFCMeanwhile, meanwhile..... Walmart is still enjoying effectively tax free status because they agreed to a ten year tax abatement in exchange for the promise of jobs, which mostly never appeared, are not full time, and pay close to minimum wage.Jul 11 22:21
DaemonFChttp://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/07/11/1222847/-Reid-tells-Republicans-to-be-reasonable-or-deal-with-the-nbsp-consequencesJul 11 22:38
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DaemonFCHopefully he means it this time.Jul 11 22:38
DaemonFCThere's over 200 vacant positions for judges in the federal court system, and most federal agencies are being ran by acting commissioners, including Social Security.Jul 11 22:39
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