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| XFaCE | schestowitz: https://torrentfreak.com/language-matters-framing-the-copyright-monopoly-so-we-can-keep-our-liberties-130714/ | Jul 15 03:26 |
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| XFaCE | schestowitz: His suggestions sound familiar no? :) | Jul 15 03:26 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-15/microsoft-cuts-surface-tablet-prices-amid-weak-demand.html | Jul 15 05:29 |
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| schestowitz | RMS: | Jul 15 06:58 |
| schestowitz | Re: Microsoft's paying people to post attack comments | Jul 15 06:58 |
| schestowitz | > Can you tell me the URL for the article about that? | Jul 15 06:58 |
| schestowitz | Good morning, Richard. | Jul 15 06:58 |
| schestowitz | There are many such stories. Some of them I've put in this index: | Jul 15 06:58 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/AstroTurfing | Jul 15 06:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: AstroTurfing - Techrights .::. Size~: 26.41 KB | Jul 15 06:58 |
| schestowitz | The latest major incident (there are many but this one is recent) involved paid Microsoft agents in Reddit (they contract an outside agency to hire another agency). Here is my coverage of it: | Jul 15 06:58 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2013/06/09/reddit-infiltrated/ | Jul 15 06:58 |
| schestowitz | I am pretty certain -- and have been certain for years (with my older friends agreeing) -- that many of the attacks on you, especially in the comments (be it about your appearance, something you did a long time ago, something you didn't really say etc.), are posted by paid agents. I hope you can recall the HBGary scandal where Greewald, Assange etc. were targeted for smearing by sockpuppets. I believe that someone from the Anonymous | Jul 15 06:58 |
| schestowitz | collective hacked a system to leak evidence of this. | Jul 15 06:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft Crime Persists: AstroTurfing a Regular Practice, Reddit Full of Paid Microsoft AstroTurfers | Techrights .::. Size~: 108.57 KB | Jul 15 06:58 |
| schestowitz | I know the feeling of being smeared as I too was a target and at times I caught people who smeared me, exposing them as Microsoft employees (whereupon they fled). | Jul 15 06:58 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2832972 | Jul 15 07:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: To find out if a connected computer is under surveillance, ping facebook.com and google.com from it. Sites abundantly use those. | Jul 15 07:03 |
| schestowitz | "Thank you kindly for that, sir." | Jul 15 07:03 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2839540 | Jul 15 07:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Does the #nsa get direct/semi-direct (e.g. broken 'encryption') access to Google's MAC database? Wait and see. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/04/22/google_streetview_logs_wlans/ | Jul 15 07:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> Title: Google Street View logs WiFi networks, Mac addresses • The Register .::. Size~: 44.38 KB | Jul 15 07:03 |
| schestowitz | "I never understood why this was a big deal. I'd think you could get the same or better information from the user's ISP." | Jul 15 07:03 |
| schestowitz | "It's not about being rational. It's about hoovering up every possible bit of data. And they've convinced themselves with their 'sophisticated algorithms' that they know what they're doing." | Jul 15 07:04 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 15 07:04 |
| schestowitz | I'd actually like a map of wifi and think collecting the information is a useful service. | Jul 15 07:04 |
| schestowitz | "Running a WiFi network with no password is the only way to resist being a footsoldier in the War on Sharing." http://stallman.org/archives/2012-mar-jun.html#27_June_2012_%28War_on_Sharing_in_Denmark%29 "French and Irish Internet subscribers, like those everywhere, should run WiFi nets without passwords so as to avoid being instruments of unjust state power. Both file sharing and Internet anonymity are at stake." http://www.stallman. | Jul 15 07:04 |
| schestowitz | org/archives/2013-may-aug.html#10_July_2013_%28France_stopped_punishing_file-sharing_with_disconnection_from_Internet%29 | Jul 15 07:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: 2012: March - June Political Notes - Richard Stallman .::. Size~: 1149.69 KB | Jul 15 07:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Couldn't resolve host 'www.stallman.' ( http://www.stallman. ) | Jul 15 07:04 |
| schestowitz | about an hour ago | Jul 15 07:04 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 15 07:04 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2839849 | Jul 15 07:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Eric Raymond: "Further confirmation, if any were still required, that Steve Ballmer is an idiot." https://plus.google.com/u/0/108967323530519754654/posts/eY9W43L7qnn #microsoft | Jul 15 07:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> Title: Eric Raymond - Google+ - Further confirmation, if any were still required, that… .::. Size~: 398.93 KB | Jul 15 07:15 |
| schestowitz | "I'd love to know what else esr said, but I won't follow a link that touches [the G-name] anymore. Any other soundbites of interest?" | Jul 15 07:15 |
| schestowitz | It's a short statement and a link | Jul 15 07:15 |
| MinceR | http://25.media.tumblr.com/95081b52618ea59adc60107923af3aac/tumblr_mjuv74La531r3uvu0o1_500.jpg | Jul 15 07:25 |
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| schestowitz | "LOL, I don't think heLOL, I don't think he ruined his life at all. I think he's got it MADE!" ruined his life at all. I think he's got it MADE! | Jul 15 07:26 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/duncan_shona/status/356658992354836480 | Jul 15 07:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a tweet? | Jul 15 07:26 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: NRA logic | Jul 15 07:26 |
| schestowitz | Silly PR: www.prweb.com/releases/2013/7/prweb10823962.htm | Jul 15 07:31 |
| MinceR | uh huh | Jul 15 07:36 |
| MinceR | not shifting the blame to inanimate objects is NRA logic :> | Jul 15 07:36 |
| MinceR | except of course for the fact that the NRA is trying to put the blame on movies and video games | Jul 15 07:37 |
| MinceR | both sides seem to think that these triggers press themselves | Jul 15 07:37 |
| schestowitz | https://diasp.org/uploads/images/scaled_full_bc0ad342938f941f39bf.gif | Jul 15 07:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a web page! Aborting image/gif type | Jul 15 07:53 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2840415 | Jul 15 07:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Edward Snowden's Statement In Moscow's #Sheremetyevo Airport https://soundcloud.com/frank-forrester-1/full-edward-snowdens-statement #audio | Jul 15 07:57 |
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| schestowitz | http://wlcentral.org/node/2849 | Jul 15 07:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: 2013-07-12 Snowden statement at Sheremetyevo | WL Central .::. Size~: 17.8 KB | Jul 15 07:58 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2839850 | Jul 15 07:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Most disgusting reactions to #Zimmerman acquittal http://www.salon.com/2013/07/14/most_disgusting_reactions_to_zimmerman_acquittal/ | Jul 15 07:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> Title: Most disgusting reactions to Zimmerman acquittal - Salon.com .::. Size~: 138.01 KB | Jul 15 07:58 |
| schestowitz | "Some people had fireworks. There were reports from around the country and I heard a small display here in Fairhope." | Jul 15 07:58 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2839849 | Jul 15 07:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Eric Raymond: "Further confirmation, if any were still required, that Steve Ballmer is an idiot." https://plus.google.com/u/0/108967323530519754654/posts/eY9W43L7qnn #microsoft | Jul 15 07:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> Title: Eric Raymond - Google+ - Further confirmation, if any were still required, that… .::. Size~: 398.97 KB | Jul 15 07:58 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 15 07:58 |
| schestowitz | > Further confirmation, if any were still required, that Steve Ballmer is an idiot. | Jul 15 07:58 |
| schestowitz | > | Jul 15 07:58 |
| schestowitz | > Very occasionally the thought steals up on me that I loathed Microsoft less when it was competently evil. I generally lie down until the feeling passes. | Jul 15 07:58 |
| schestowitz | http://www.xconomy.com/seattle/2013/07/12/twelve-moments-of-nonsense-in-microsofts-reorganization-memo/ | Jul 15 07:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Say What? 12 Moments of Nonsense in Microsoft's Reorganization Memo .::. Size~: 97.65 KB | Jul 15 07:59 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 15 07:59 |
| schestowitz | Useful link, added to drafts... | Jul 15 07:59 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jsalsman/status/356675507334549504 | Jul 15 08:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a tweet? | Jul 15 08:57 |
| schestowitz | "so, what does all this do to risk statements in financial reports, for companies using Microsoft?" | Jul 15 08:57 |
| schestowitz | If those companies rely on privacy, stability, low exit barrier etc. then reliance on Microsoft won't bode well | Jul 15 08:57 |
| goblin_ | A reliance on Microsoft never bodes well. | Jul 15 09:04 |
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| iophk | http://www.muktware.com/5731/android-risk-getting-banned-india-goverment | Jul 15 09:42 |
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| schestowitz | "I wonder what the legal criteria for having to disclose risk factors involving data security are. Is it in GAAP? " | Jul 15 09:43 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/i/redirect?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fjsalsman%2Fstatus%2F356693241233543169%3Frefsrc%3Demail&sig=a528b4ce9ff98165caf75a60be35ea0220abd132&uid=26603208&iid=85fdc444-2b59-4af5-9070-536712d0698e&nid=27+236&t=1 | Jul 15 09:44 |
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| schestowitz | hi _Goblin | Jul 15 09:44 |
| _Goblin | hi | Jul 15 09:45 |
| _Goblin | I see you've some video's coming up with RMS... Great stuff! | Jul 15 09:46 |
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| MinceR | geekings | Jul 15 09:51 |
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| iophk | http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-not-even-god-himself-can-stop-it-130714/ | Jul 15 10:02 |
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| iophk | http://torrentfreak.com/raided-subtitle-site-crowdfunds-grand-relaunch-130712/ | Jul 15 11:20 |
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| iophk | http://www.pro-linux.de/news/1/20008/jolla-integriert-wayland-in-sailfish-os.html | Jul 15 13:32 |
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| iophk | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/X-successor-Wayland-1-2-arrives-1917457.html | Jul 15 13:39 |
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| __martin__ | oh lord.. suing customs in order to ban more freely devices.. | Jul 15 15:49 |
| __martin__ | schestowitz: you looked at those scoracle guys playin' volley i linked last time? xD | Jul 15 15:49 |
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| iophk | "A recent announcement shows they are reorganizing. This may mean their SEC filings will no longer list “Windows” as a line-item… They hide their price to consumers. They seem intent on hiding the bad news for the client division from investors. We should know in a week whether that is true." | Jul 15 16:34 |
| iophk | http://mrpogson.com/2013/07/11/wintel-crumbles/#comments | Jul 15 16:34 |
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| iophk | It might be a good way to hide big losses. | Jul 15 16:34 |
| iophk | So much for the HP Chromebooks | Jul 15 17:17 |
| iophk | http://www.geekwire.com/2013/microsoft-exec-ray-ozzie-named-hp-board/ | Jul 15 17:17 |
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| MinceR | also for hp android tablets? | Jul 15 17:18 |
| iophk | Can't see how he'd like them any better. | Jul 15 17:19 |
| iophk | but the chromebook is the more pressing threat, cutting into notebook sales with vista8 | Jul 15 17:20 |
| iophk | If too many people are seen to be using non-M$ systems on "real" computers then that might prompt others to start looking into options. | Jul 15 17:21 |
| iophk | M$ can't survive a test comparison with other systems. | Jul 15 17:21 |
| __martin__ | moles everywhere xD | Jul 15 17:21 |
| __martin__ | google mandates some blobbed firmware in their coreboot impelementation afaik | Jul 15 17:22 |
| __martin__ | recently P.J. from Groklaw shared her views on chrootin' from ChromeOS into different GNU/Linux distro.. | Jul 15 17:23 |
| iophk | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20130707160346164 | Jul 15 17:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Groklaw - My Excellent $199 Chromebook Adventure ~pj .::. Size~: 127.85 KB | Jul 15 17:24 |
| iophk | It's hard to find the low-end Chromebooks in some stores. I think they sell the higher priced onces to limit their competitiveness. | Jul 15 17:25 |
| iophk | For most users the $199 ones do more than enough. | Jul 15 17:25 |
| __martin__ | in my country there's none of chromebooks nor firefoxos handhelds | Jul 15 17:33 |
| __martin__ | thou more laptops are offered without an os =P | Jul 15 17:34 |
| iophk | whitebox is ok | Jul 15 17:43 |
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| iophk | http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/14/business/has-patent-will-sue-an-alert-to-corporate-america.html | Jul 15 18:35 |
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| __martin__ | DAMN this is HUGE | Jul 15 18:38 |
| __martin__ | http://www.zdnet.com/new-bluetooth-audio-tpm-requirements-coming-for-windows-8-devices-7000018003/ | Jul 15 18:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: New Bluetooth, audio, TPM requirements coming for Windows 8 devices | ZDNet .::. Size~: 77.31 KB | Jul 15 18:38 |
| __martin__ | mandated TPM chips in openly discussed manner.. | Jul 15 18:38 |
| __martin__ | unlike hiding Secure|Restricted|Boot behind sec. issues xD | Jul 15 18:38 |
| __martin__ | beginning with 2k15.. | Jul 15 18:39 |
| __martin__ | mandatory* // perhaps for you guys it's not even "news" | Jul 15 18:40 |
| __martin__ | jono: polite of you saying decent words about recently passed away rivaling company package management developer lead.. | Jul 15 18:42 |
| jono | thanks __martin__ | Jul 15 18:43 |
| jono | I don't see Fedora as a rival, just an alternative choice | Jul 15 18:43 |
| iophk | __martin__: "In January 2015, TPM 2.0 will be required on all certified Windows devices, Sabow said. TPM, or Trusted Platform..." | Jul 15 18:44 |
| iophk | Palladium is back. | Jul 15 18:46 |
| __martin__ | just another way-opener to small-to-mid distributors of DIY parts / assembled boxes e.g. ZaReason, ThinkPenguin, Garlach44, Lemote.. | Jul 15 18:48 |
| __martin__ | unless general population IQ drops down rapidly thanks to pr0n && refined carbs | Jul 15 18:49 |
| iophk | It depends on how tight a grip M$ has on the OEMs still. | Jul 15 18:49 |
| __martin__ | jono: does canonical ltd. plan on using bazaar vcs for the foreseeable future or opt in for git/hg migration wagon goin'? | Jul 15 18:50 |
| jono | __martin__, BZR | Jul 15 18:51 |
| __martin__ | another slashdot msft entryism.. http://slashdot.org/story/13/07/12/161206/maybe-steve-ballmer-doesnt-deserve-the-hate | Jul 15 18:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Maybe Steve Ballmer Doesn't Deserve the Hate - Slashdot .::. Size~: 300.29 KB | Jul 15 18:55 |
| __martin__ | but in comments one guy nailed it all.. with his response | Jul 15 18:56 |
| __martin__ | ArcadeMan: Slashdot, where Microsoft is Satan, Google is Evil, Apple is the Devil and open-source projects are pointless because thousands of programmers pulling in different directions. | Jul 15 18:56 |
| __martin__ | K. S. Kyosuke: Just like the universe is pointless because thousands of galaxy clusters pull in different directions...hey, wait a minute... | Jul 15 18:56 |
| __martin__ | ;) | Jul 15 18:56 |
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| __martin__ | jono: thanks for reply, no offense meant ~ but mark should double-check to what cluster-farms the data from lenses flow.. if jeff-o-b follows the steps of leisure suite larry, then world's not gonna be a better place for future generation raised on mesh-networked XO's in an ideal case | Jul 15 19:12 |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Jul 15 20:04 |
| iophk | http://www.forbes.com/sites/haydnshaughnessy/2013/07/04/patent-trolls-are-now-crushing-parts-of-the-developer-economy/ | Jul 15 20:17 |
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| MinceR | microsoft >> http://cdn.lolzbook.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/My-life-right-now.jpg | Jul 15 20:20 |
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| DaemonFC | Wow. That was fast. | Jul 15 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | Got one of my rebates a week after sending it in. :) | Jul 15 20:34 |
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| DaemonFC | The local (city) police and the county Sheriff's department are merging some of their operations to save money. | Jul 15 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | They said that they hit the caps on all of the taxes that they were allowed to take, and revenue was still declining, because people are leaving and the ones who are left have less money to tax. | Jul 15 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | High tax rates and bad jobs typically cause everyone who can leave to leave. | Jul 15 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | ZOMG PINK PONIES says: | Jul 15 21:42 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not going to bad mouth Social Security, even if people over 65 do have a propensity to bite the hand that is feeding them. | Jul 15 21:42 |
| DaemonFC | They worked for it, and they earned it. The fact that they're still getting it each month means that they have Democrats to thank for that (some Democrats anyway, certainly not the DINOs like Obama who have mastered the art of talking like a liberal and acting like a moderate Republican). | Jul 15 21:42 |
| DaemonFC | The Republicans are going to shut down Social Security if they ever win all the marbles again. That fact should horrify anyone who has that as their main/only income. We're talking about the psychopaths in Congress that want to shut down food stamps but keep the $37,000-per day subsidies for millionaires who happen to own a farm. | Jul 15 21:42 |
| DaemonFC | ZOMG PINK PONIES says: | Jul 15 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | http://gawker.com/5991364/drug-tests-personality-exams-and-other-hoops-you-must-jump-through-to-become-a-convenience-store-clerk | Jul 15 23:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Drug Tests, Personality Exams, and Other Hoops You Must Jump Through to Become a Convenience Store Clerk .::. Size~: 60.87 KB | Jul 15 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart puts potential employees through this crap. | Jul 15 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | It's actually funny. Do they *expect* that anyone is going to answer questions asking them if they like to break the law, use drugs, and steal from their employer in the affirmative? | Jul 15 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | Gawker: "Getting a job selling Slurpees is a more invasive process than becoming a Congressman." | Jul 15 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. It's not about whether or not most people use drugs, or if those drugs have any particular impact on their reliability as an employee. It's mostly just about having control and keeping people in line by putting them through the indignity of making them pee in cups for you. If you can make them drop their pants and pee in a cup, you can dehumanize them in just about any way. | Jul 15 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | Most companies don't actually drug test people after they're initially hired unless they want to get out of paying for a workplace accident. That includes Walmart. | Jul 15 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | Drug tests cost them about $30-40. Why do it unless it's an excuse out of paying their medical bill when a truck comes in where the warehouse improperly stacked a pallet, which falls over on them and causes $12,000 worth of medical bills? | Jul 15 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | I've seen that sort of thing happen so many times..... | Jul 15 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | Of course, the drug test usually comes back clean, which pisses Walmart off even worse. Now it has to pay the medical bills and put the employee on light duty! | Jul 15 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | Managers basically cross their fingers and hope the guy was smoking pot three weeks ago so they can just abandon them and hire someone else. | Jul 15 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | Most workplace accidents have nothing to do with drugs. It has more to do with the corners the company itself was cutting to save time and money. | Jul 15 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | ZOMG PINK PONIES says: | Jul 15 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | Well, depression is a major problem in the United States for the same reason it was in Soviet Russia. | Jul 15 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | You have a better chance of becoming a millionaire through the state lottery than by working hard, playing by the rules, and trying to earn your way there. It's the sign of a hugely corrupt system and society. | Jul 15 23:14 |
| MinceR | gn | Jul 15 23:20 |
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