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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2855197Jul 18 08:58
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: When is an adult male not adult male but a militant? When killed by a #cia operated #drone (too burned to be recognised, so assumed AQ op)Jul 18 08:58
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2855193Jul 18 08:58
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Use a tissue" https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/580219_544340405633462_1902153742_n.jpgJul 18 08:58
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2855192Jul 18 08:58
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Interview: Eben Upton http://tuxradar.com/content/%EF%BB%BFinterview-eben-upton #raspberrypi #linux #ukJul 18 08:58
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2855191Jul 18 08:58
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The war on whistleblowers renames them "aiding the enemy" http://hateandanger.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/freedom-vs-terrorism.jpgJul 18 08:58
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2855200Jul 18 09:03
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Missing the big news https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_2d500f3ddf9b7e094016.jpg #racism distracts from #surveillance #drones #assassination #tortureJul 18 09:03
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2855201Jul 18 09:03
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The #gmo in beers https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_afac30b2a2529213b779.jpgJul 18 09:03
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2855203Jul 18 09:03
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: NatSec state https://disunitedstates.org/wiki/images/a/ac/Bart_Simpson-_The_National_Security_State_is_always_right.gifJul 18 09:03
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2855209Jul 18 09:03
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The #Drone That Killed My Grandson http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/18/opinion/the-drone-that-killed-my-grandson.html?_r=0&gwh=24AA6A0BAD8ABCAE9F80AE5E37CB9CE1 suspected militant?Jul 18 09:03
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2855217Jul 18 09:03
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: In the age when US/CIA bombers are called "suspected drones" and Arabs labelled "suspected militants" #newspeak has taken over. #orwellJul 18 09:03
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2855239 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2855235 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2855234  https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2855231 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2855223 Jul 18 09:06
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Would A Kickstarter Open-Source GPU Work? http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTQxMjU #gpu #graphics #freedomJul 18 09:06
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TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The diminishing glow of nuclear energy http://www.greenpeace.org/international/en/news/Blogs/makingwaves/the-diminishing-glow-of-nuclear-energy/blog/45939/ #energy #greenpeaceJul 18 09:06
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: The diminishing glow of nuclear energy | Greenpeace International .::. Size~: 151.59 KBJul 18 09:06
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: When I type a bad URL into the browser #BT relays it all (e.g. search term) to #prism through Yahoo/Microsoft. This needs to stop.Jul 18 09:06
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Video Support Still Brewing For GLAMOR Acceleration http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTQxMjM #video #graphics #linuxJul 18 09:06
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TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Stevie Wonder Boycotting Florida Following Zimmerman Verdict (Video) http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/stevie-wonder-boycotting-florida-zimmerman-585760 #florida #zimmerman #classwar #racewarJul 18 09:06
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2855255 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2855253 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2855252 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2855242Jul 18 09:12
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Ditching commercial offerings for open source private cloud software  http://searchcloudcomputing.techtarget.com/news/2240186856/Ditching-commercial-offerings-for-open-source-private-cloud-software #saas #freesoftwareJul 18 09:12
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: Ditching commercial offerings for open source private cloud software .::. Size~: 69.16 KBJul 18 09:12
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Radeon DRM Gets More Fixes For Linux 3.11 Kernel http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTQxMTQ http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd_dpm_preview&num=1 #drm #linux #graphicsJul 18 09:12
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TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Opposed to internment camps (no charges needed) for US citizens? Too bad, go away... http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/18/us/politics/challenges-to-policies-on-terror-are-halted.html?gwh=E7FEE645399F264F79F1330001DB953AJul 18 09:12
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TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: - #KDE Ships First Release Candidate of Plasma Workspaces, Applications and Platform 4.11 http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.11-rc1.phpJul 18 09:12
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2855297 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2855301 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2855302 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2855305Jul 18 09:18
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Cake ideas https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_d7899e20f8df862704f8.jpgJul 18 09:18
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TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Gas goes here https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_d2ae88068e33e4d4ce79.jpgJul 18 09:18
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TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Standardized Media Streaming on Linux Devices with Open Source Cloud-dLeyna  http://www.linux.com/news/software/applications/728375-standardized-media-streaming-on-linux-devices-with-open-source-cloud-dleyna/ #linuxJul 18 09:18
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TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Jolla gets ready to launch its smartphone http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57594104-94/jolla-gets-ready-to-launch-its-smartphone/?part=rss&subj=news&tag=title #jolla #linuxJul 18 09:18
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: Jolla gets ready to launch its smartphone | Mobile - CNET News .::. Size~: 71.46 KBJul 18 09:18
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schestowitzDaemonFC: https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1004464_501498366601631_995687851_n.jpgJul 18 09:20
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DaemonFCI don't watch TV too much.Jul 18 09:20
DaemonFCI only get the local channels anyway. I haven't had cable TV in a long time.Jul 18 09:21
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2855315 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2855314 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2855312 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2855311Jul 18 09:21
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The First Amendment Protects Satire And Rhetoric! lol j/k http://www.popehat.com/2013/07/11/the-first-amendment-protects-satire-and-rhetoric-lol-jk/ Justin Carter... also see http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/07/12/justice-department-proposes-curbing-power-to-seize-reporters-records/Jul 18 09:21
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TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Bradley Manning Is Not a Royal Baby http://www.fair.org/blog/2013/07/17/bradley-manning-is-not-a-royal-baby/ "potential to criminalize investigative journalism."Jul 18 09:21
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TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: T-Mobile to launch its first Firefox phone next week http://www.techhive.com/article/2044127/tmobile-to-launch-its-first-firefox-phone-next-week.html #firefox #mozilla #linuxJul 18 09:21
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TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Television viewing https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1004464_501498366601631_995687851_n.jpgJul 18 09:21
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schestowitzDaemonFC: any broadcast is too much unless it's not government-runJul 18 09:21
schestowitzIMHOJul 18 09:21
schestowitzNatGEo might be OK...Jul 18 09:22
DaemonFCHow can people watch 8 hours of TV in a day?Jul 18 09:22
schestowitzexcepting the ads in betweenJul 18 09:22
schestowitzDaemonFC: apparentlyJul 18 09:22
schestowitzI was surprised tooJul 18 09:22
DaemonFCYeah, one of the reasons I got rid of my TV subscription is because the quality of the packages has really gone to hell.Jul 18 09:22
DaemonFCThe packages that cost $30 or less have a bunch of crap channels that the cable company basically gets for next to nothing.Jul 18 09:23
DaemonFCThe packages that are $50-60 start having a few good channels, but not many.Jul 18 09:23
DaemonFCWhen you get up to $100 a month, you have lots of channels, but it's $100 a month....Jul 18 09:23
schestowitzLOL http://24.media.tumblr.com/693afd7be5bb266842b6835a4ebeb30d/tumblr_mir5flOOKd1qdlh1io1_250.gifJul 18 09:23
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schestowitzTypical YankJul 18 09:23
DaemonFCThey have a package that includes everything, but it's over $160 a month.Jul 18 09:24
DaemonFCI have a lot of things I'd rather spend the money on.Jul 18 09:24
DaemonFC20 years ago, you could get everything they had other than Pay Per View for about $30 a month.Jul 18 09:24
DaemonFCThey've been increasing their prices about 5-8% on average, every year.Jul 18 09:25
DaemonFCIt's just totally not worth it anymore.Jul 18 09:25
DaemonFCStick an antenna on the roof. :)Jul 18 09:25
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2855319 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2855320 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2855321 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2855323Jul 18 09:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Andre the Giant's hand (real-sized can) http://d2tq98mqfjyz2l.cloudfront.net/image_cache/1374112350837766.jpgJul 18 09:26
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TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Puppet Labs Buys Cloudsmith, Open Source Gurus http://www.informationweek.com/cloud-computing/software/puppet-labs-buys-cloudmsith-open-source/240158389 #puppet #cloudsmith #freeswJul 18 09:26
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TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The #sony fine is slush funds http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/15/sony-europe-drops-250k-fine-appeal/ #ukJul 18 09:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: Sony agrees to pay £250K fine in UK for 2011 data breach, begrudgingly .::. Size~: 29.11 KBJul 18 09:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Former CEO Says U.S. Punished Phone Firm http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/12/AR2007101202485.html the criminal #nsa uses retribution against people who defend the lawJul 18 09:26
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DaemonFCI understand that there's going to be price increases, but when inflation is 1.5% and the cable company says there's going to be a 6% rate hike that year...Jul 18 09:26
DaemonFCIt's just piggish.Jul 18 09:26
DaemonFCPeople's incomes don't grow that fast. Most people are lucky if they get a 1 or 2% pay raise. A lot of people have been watching their wages fall over the last couple of years.Jul 18 09:27
DaemonFCSo, the cable companies are not growing, they're contracting.Jul 18 09:27
DaemonFCThey peaked at about 100 million US subscribers a few years ago, and they've been losing about a million every year since then.Jul 18 09:27
DaemonFCAny sane company would try to avoid that by cutting prices and trying to convince people that they're still a good value for your entertainment dollars.Jul 18 09:28
DaemonFCThe cable companies keep raising prices anyway, and I think they'll lose a million and a half this year.Jul 18 09:28
DaemonFCIt's just dumb.Jul 18 09:28
DaemonFCNo way to run a business.Jul 18 09:28
DaemonFCTheir retention department will work with you a little bit if you call in and say you're going to cancel because there's just no way you can afford it.Jul 18 09:29
DaemonFCBut, you're not going to get a lot out of them. They might offer you $10-20 a month off for the next year to get you to stay.Jul 18 09:30
DaemonFCschestowitz, The commercials are another thing that bug me, now that you mention it.Jul 18 09:33
DaemonFCThey get longer, louder, more annoying.Jul 18 09:33
DaemonFCWhy should you have to watch that when you're paying so much for your cable?Jul 18 09:33
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2855336 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2855337 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2855338 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2855340Jul 18 09:33
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: We may soon see how #Yahoo (before #Microsoft occupied and destroyed it) opposed #prism http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/fisa-court-seeks-release-of-declassified-filings-in-secret-yahoo-case/2013/07/15/61fa1314-eda0-11e2-bed3-b9b6fe264871_story.html?hpid=z2Jul 18 09:33
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TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: How #IntellectualMonopoly Reinforces Inequality http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/07/14/how-intellectual-property-reinforces-inequality/?partner=rss&emc=rss by Joseph Stiglitz, who has said this for yearsJul 18 09:33
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: How Intellectual Property Reinforces Inequality - NYTimes.com .::. Size~: 82.55 KBJul 18 09:33
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: JOE: Old-School Text Editor Teaches New Lessons http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/78494.html #joe #linuxJul 18 09:33
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: JOE: Old-School Text Editor Teaches New Lessons | Reviews | LinuxInsider .::. Size~: 15.81 KBJul 18 09:33
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Charm offence from #oracle which attacks #android with #swpats http://geeks.broadwayworld.com/article/Oracle-Continues-Linux-Leadership-in-the-Enterprise-20130717 http://www.4-traders.com/ORACLE-CORPORATION-13620698/news/Oracle-Corporation-Oracle-Linux-Supports-Innovative-SEI-Wealth-Platform-for-Wealth-Management-17107659/Jul 18 09:33
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: Oracle Continues Linux Leadership in the Enterprise - BWWGeeksWorld .::. Size~: 66.21 KBJul 18 09:33
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DaemonFCComcast and TimeWarner are starting to disable the fast forward button on shows you're watch on your DVR, when you try to skip commercials.Jul 18 09:34
DaemonFCWho wants to waste 17 minutes per hour watching product advertisements?Jul 18 09:34
DaemonFCschestowitz, When I did have cable, I'd find a show I wanted to watch and press the pause button, then spend 10-15 minutes doing dishes or vacuuming or something.Jul 18 09:36
DaemonFCThen I'd come back and start the show, and have all that time in a buffer so I could skip over all the commercials.Jul 18 09:36
DaemonFCGet some housework done and then skip all the ads.Jul 18 09:36
DaemonFCNow that they're using the boxes to disable that, I think cable TV is an even worse value, and I'm much less likely to start subscribing to it again.Jul 18 09:37
DaemonFCWhat I have noticed is that my internet connection is very fast and there are streaming websites with all the shows I like, in HD.Jul 18 09:37
DaemonFCand the people who upload there have already stripped out all of the commercials :DJul 18 09:38
DaemonFCSo, what's the point of having cable? Well, it's a bad value for the money seeing as how they're competing with something thats high quality, free, and has all the advertisements stripped out.Jul 18 09:39
DaemonFCIf they'd go back down to something like $40 a month for everything, with no commercials, I'd reconsider.Jul 18 09:39
DaemonFCBut, they're not going to do that.Jul 18 09:39
DaemonFCInstead, they have Eric Holder on their speed dial.Jul 18 09:39
DaemonFCThat contemptible pile of shit running the "justice" department.Jul 18 09:40
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2855239Jul 18 09:40
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Would A Kickstarter Open-Source GPU Work? http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTQxMjU #gpu #graphics #freedomJul 18 09:40
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DaemonFCNo prosecution of banksters, none of the antitrust cases we need.Jul 18 09:40
schestowitz"That would be great!"Jul 18 09:40
schestowitz[09:34] <DaemonFC> Who wants to waste 17 minutes per hour watching product advertisements?Jul 18 09:40
DaemonFCJust a pile of fucking shit that comes out every now and then to stir up racism and seize websites.Jul 18 09:40
schestowitzpeopkl with small minds, who are eager to watch the "other" stuff on TV (non-ads)Jul 18 09:40
DaemonFCWe need rid of Eric Holder, but Obama would just find someone exactly like him.Jul 18 09:41
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2855351 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2855352 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2855353 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2855354Jul 18 09:42
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Elon Musk's Hyperloop details coming in August, will be open source  http://green.autoblog.com/2013/07/17/elon-musks-hyperloop-details-coming-in-august-will-be-open-sou/  #freeswJul 18 09:42
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TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Americans for Prosperity Goes After #ObamaCare (Again) http://www.prwatch.org/news/2013/07/12179/americans-prosperity-goes-after-obamacare-again "funded by David Koch"Jul 18 09:42
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: Americans for Prosperity Goes After ObamaCare (Again) | PR Watch .::. Size~: 49.24 KBJul 18 09:42
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Nation Will Gain by Discussing Surveillance, Expert Tells Privacy Board http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/10/us/nation-will-gain-by-discussing-surveillance-expert-tells-privacy-board.html?_r=2& #privacy #nsa #usJul 18 09:42
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TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Facebook And Google 'Degrade Our Humanity,' Says #4chan Founder http://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-and-google-degrade-our-humanity-2013-7 "do not allow users to be anonymous."Jul 18 09:43
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: Facebook And Google Degrade Our Humanity - Business Insider .::. Size~: 159.1 KBJul 18 09:43
DaemonFCYes, the quality of programming is very low, because they need to draw in people who respond to advertising.Jul 18 09:43
schestowitzDaemonFC: obama doesn't find themJul 18 09:43
schestowitzobama too is selected Jul 18 09:43
schestowitzby "them"Jul 18 09:43
schestowitzbig corps, banks, etc.Jul 18 09:43
schestowitzHolder is a sidekick for him, to appease minoritiesJul 18 09:43
schestowitzthose two stooges can paint murder of Arabs not as a couple of arrogant Caucations like Bush and CheneyJul 18 09:44
schestowitz* Caucasian Jul 18 09:44
DaemonFCAdvertising is one of the nastiest inventions ever.Jul 18 09:44
DaemonFCIt convinces people to pay exorbitant prices for things instead of saving their money.Jul 18 09:45
DaemonFCIt's a big reason why most people don't have any savings.Jul 18 09:45
MinceRgeekingsJul 18 09:46
DaemonFCI work advertising to my favor. If there's a certain brand of something I like, I go couponing.Jul 18 09:46
DaemonFCThey hate people like me. That's why they have those new coupon restrictions that have been in place over the last year or two.Jul 18 09:47
MinceRcoup offJul 18 09:47
DaemonFCOne of their little secrets is that they only budget for a redemption of about 2-3% of the number of coupons they send out.Jul 18 09:48
DaemonFCWhen rates go higher than that, it starts digging into the profit margin they like to have.Jul 18 09:48
DaemonFCThey're in control of the coupon campaigns they run, to an extent.Jul 18 09:48
DaemonFCThanks to the nature of the system, where they send them out doesn't matter like it once did. People can go online and find a coupon trading service.Jul 18 09:49
DaemonFCIf I need to stock up on something, I can just buy 20 coupons that they sent to people in Missouri.Jul 18 09:49
DaemonFCThey're in my mailbox a couple of days later.Jul 18 09:49
DaemonFCThey know that people do this, but it's not a big enough "problem" that they'll bother to stop it, for now.Jul 18 09:50
*DaemonFC is getting used to GNOME finallyJul 18 10:11
DaemonFCKDE accumulated some bugs that were driving me nuts.Jul 18 10:11
DaemonFChttp://www.wane.com/dpp/news/crime/woman-fends-off-intruders-with-toy-guitar-mreJul 18 10:16
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DaemonFCGuitar Hero!Jul 18 10:16
DaemonFCFort Wayne has gotten really dangerous.Jul 18 10:17
DaemonFCWell, some parts of it have.Jul 18 10:17
DaemonFCThe parts you can afford to live in are pretty unsafe...Jul 18 10:17
DaemonFCThe police, private security, and big gates protect the people with more money, so not much violent crime happens there.Jul 18 10:18
DaemonFCEveryone else has to put bars on the windows and hope for the best.Jul 18 10:18
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DaemonFChttp://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_tfp_ef_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdThread=Tx1GXGLWI86DJQYJul 18 11:02
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DaemonFC ZOMG PINK PONIES says:Jul 18 11:02
DaemonFChttp://www.wane.com/dpp/news/indiana/ap-exclusive-daniels-looked-to-censor-opponentsJul 18 11:02
DaemonFChttp://gawker.com/mitch-daniels-president-of-purdue-tried-to-ban-howard-813676742Jul 18 11:02
DaemonFCHe tried to ban certain information that is unflattering to Republican revisionist history, for example.Jul 18 11:02
DaemonFCNow he's the President of Purdue University.Jul 18 11:02
DaemonFCIt would be better to pick another university to attend, to minimize his corrupt influence over the courses you take.Jul 18 11:02
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DaemonFCMitch Daniels should have been behind bars before he ever ran for Governor. the only thing that saved him was political cronyism which impeded the investigation into the IPALCO scandal. Jul 18 11:02
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iophkhttp://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/18/us/politics/bipartisan-backlash-grows-against-domestic-surveillance.htmlJul 18 12:17
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DaemonFCIf they can't get $500 a year out of "Novell", they should take the huge Novell ad off their site.Jul 18 12:52
MinceR:>Jul 18 12:55
MinceRif injecting mono into GNU/Linux is so important for m$, perhaps they can fund the damned site.Jul 18 12:55
MinceRs/mono/.net patents/Jul 18 12:56
iophkCreepy that they've been spending their own money to sabotage GNU/LinuxJul 18 12:59
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DaemonFCSomeone asked why people would take the smaller payout if they won the lottery.Jul 18 13:16
DaemonFCI'd do it, and it's pretty obvious why anyone else should.Jul 18 13:16
DaemonFCThe lottery doesn't actually have enough money on hand to pay out the entire jackpot, so they buy US government debt, called Zero Coupon Bonds.Jul 18 13:17
DaemonFCEach year for 29 years, you get an installment, that gets a little bit bigger each year, as some of the bonds mature.Jul 18 13:18
DaemonFCYou're basically getting the lump sum amount plus interest on the debt that they've bought with it.Jul 18 13:18
DaemonFCThere's an argument for the lump sum payments, but it makes the assumption that the government will actually be paying its bills on time for the next 29 years, and it limits you to whatever interest the bonds are paying, which has been cut drastically by the Federal Reserve's "stimulus" programs. So, the lump sum and the installments are a lot closer now than they used to be.Jul 18 13:20
DaemonFC"Take the money and run."Jul 18 13:20
DaemonFCI'd take the lump sum and start buying all the stuff I ever wanted. It's kind of hard for them to devalue physical assets that you already own, but they can trash the value of US dollars simply by creating more of them.Jul 18 13:21
DaemonFC:)Jul 18 13:21
MinceRyou could also invest part or all of itJul 18 13:21
DaemonFCIt's pretty obvious that we're sitting on an inflation bomb.Jul 18 13:21
DaemonFCThe Federal Reserve is taking on the toxic sludge onto its balance sheet.Jul 18 13:22
DaemonFCIt figures that by 2019, they can repackage it and start selling it to stupid investors.Jul 18 13:22
DaemonFCThere's always someone that's dumb and greedy enough to step in it again.Jul 18 13:22
DaemonFCMinceR, Yeah, I'd invest some of it.Jul 18 13:23
DaemonFCThe other argument for the installments is taxes.Jul 18 13:23
DaemonFCYou take it all at once, you're in the highest federal tax bracket that year, which is currently 39.6%.Jul 18 13:23
DaemonFCBut if you get paid in installments, you might be in a 28, 31, or 35% bracket.Jul 18 13:24
DaemonFCSo, you pay less in taxes in each of those years, and in total.Jul 18 13:24
MinceR:>Jul 18 13:24
DaemonFCAbout 80% of lottery winners take it all at once, and pay the enormous tax bill.Jul 18 13:25
DaemonFCThen about 70% of them blow all of it and are broke again in several years.Jul 18 13:25
DaemonFCand the rest actually do invest itJul 18 13:25
DaemonFCSometimes they outperform the Zero Coupon Bonds, and sometimes they don't :)Jul 18 13:25
DaemonFCMinceR, They've also snuck in an effective price increase into lottery tickets themselves.Jul 18 13:26
DaemonFCThey've kept the price point of most of them at a dollar, but they've decreased the odds of winning.Jul 18 13:26
DaemonFCThe Mega Millions ticket has always been a dollar, but the odds of winning the jackpot used to be 1 in 35 million.Jul 18 13:27
DaemonFCThen they changed it to 1 in 70 million.Jul 18 13:27
DaemonFCThen 1 in 100 million.Jul 18 13:27
DaemonFCNow it's 1 in 176 million.Jul 18 13:27
MinceRi wouldn't pay anywayJul 18 13:27
MinceRs/pay/play/Jul 18 13:27
DaemonFCOn October 6th, they're changing it againJul 18 13:28
DaemonFCit'll be something like 1 in 300 million.Jul 18 13:28
DaemonFC:)Jul 18 13:28
DaemonFCMinceR, I go for the lower jackpots when I feel the urge to waste a few bucks.Jul 18 13:28
DaemonFCThe Hoosier Lotto one is usually $12-50 million.Jul 18 13:29
DaemonFCThe cost is $1. The odds are like 1 in 12 million.Jul 18 13:29
DaemonFCI'd rather have the 1 in 12 million odds than the 1 in 176 million odds.Jul 18 13:29
DaemonFCand about one in three win you a free ticket, so you're playing again, which reduces the effective price of the ticket to under $1.Jul 18 13:30
DaemonFCPowerball is the worst one to play. The odds are 1 in 176 million, the tickets are $2 each.Jul 18 13:31
DaemonFCPeople play it because they see the jackpot go into the hundreds of millions of dollars.Jul 18 13:31
DaemonFCReally, I'd be just fine with $12 million. How much money do you actually need anyway? Right? :)Jul 18 13:31
DaemonFCSo even though the jackpot is smaller, you have the same odds with $2 (two tickets) that you'd have to buy 29 $2 Powerball tickets for. ($58. Ouch!)Jul 18 13:33
DaemonFCToo rich for my blood. B-)Jul 18 13:33
DaemonFCThe Powerball has so many combinations that it sometimes goes for 10 weeks with no winners because there aren't enough people in the entire country that play it to cover all possible combinations.Jul 18 13:34
DaemonFCThe national games say they need to decrease your odds because more states have signed on.Jul 18 13:36
DaemonFCBut really what they're doing is making it necessary to buy four tickets to have the same odds that you used to have with one.Jul 18 13:36
MinceRi've never felt the urge to waste moneyJul 18 13:37
DaemonFCI'm actually money ahead on the lottery.Jul 18 13:38
DaemonFCNot by a whole lot, but I've won enough to cover all the tickets I buy without eating into any other source of money.Jul 18 13:38
DaemonFCPlus, I've found winning tickets that other people have thrown on the ground.Jul 18 13:39
DaemonFCMaybe they were too stupid to read them?Jul 18 13:39
MinceR:>Jul 18 13:39
MinceRwell, it _is_ the stupidity taxJul 18 13:40
DaemonFCI've also found losers that were eligible for the second chance drawings, and entered myself.Jul 18 13:40
DaemonFCI won $500 on one of those.Jul 18 13:40
DaemonFCI only bet on the ones with better odds, lots of prizes remaining, and a second chance entry or guaranteed free ticket.Jul 18 13:41
DaemonFCMost people don't enter the second chance drawings, so even if you lose, you actually have better odds in the drawing anyway.Jul 18 13:42
MinceR:>Jul 18 13:45
DaemonFCThere's quite a lot of variance in the odds, even on tickets that sell for the same price.Jul 18 13:46
DaemonFCThe ones that are more flashy and say "more ways to win" are actually some of the worst odds.Jul 18 13:46
DaemonFCMinceR, You should also save all of your losing tickets.Jul 18 13:47
DaemonFCWhen you win, you owe federal taxes on the money, but you can produce losing tickets and declare them as a business expense.Jul 18 13:47
MinceRi have no ticketsJul 18 13:47
MinceRneat trickJul 18 13:47
DaemonFCIt will extinguish some of the tax you owe.Jul 18 13:47
DaemonFCOr you can sell them on ebay.Jul 18 13:48
DaemonFCYou can actually batch up a lot of losing lottery tickets and sell them to people who won.Jul 18 13:48
DaemonFCThey pay for those.Jul 18 13:48
DaemonFCThey claim them as their loss on their taxes. It's technically fraud, but apparently it works.Jul 18 13:49
DaemonFCYou're not liable for it even if they did get caught. You're just the guy that sold them a bunch of losing tickets. You didn't tell them what to do with them.Jul 18 13:49
iophkhttp://torrorists.wordpress.com/2013/07/15/finns-are-aiming-to-provide-whistleblowers-political-asylum-via-a-citizens-initiative/Jul 18 13:49
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DaemonFCThat's what I do when it's getting late into the year and I haven't won anything lately.Jul 18 13:50
DaemonFCYou can't declare tickets you bought last year as losses on your taxed this year.Jul 18 13:50
DaemonFC*taxesJul 18 13:50
DaemonFCYou're not going to make a ton of money back, but you should be able to get 15 or 20 cents on the dollar for a worthless ticket that didn't win anything. :)Jul 18 13:51
DaemonFCMinceR, Yeah. IIRC, it dates back to a court case from the 1960s.Jul 18 13:54
DaemonFCA woman won a bunch of money at a casino and the IRS said she owed federal taxes on all of it.Jul 18 13:54
DaemonFCShe declared that all the money she lost up to that point was a business expense.Jul 18 13:54
DaemonFCThe IRS disagreed and took her to tax court, which ruled in favor of the IRS (of course).Jul 18 13:54
DaemonFCSo she took it to the Supreme Court, and they allowed it.Jul 18 13:54
DaemonFCYou're basically screwed in tax court. They rule in favor of the government like 90% of the time.Jul 18 13:55
DaemonFCIf you can get the case to an appeals court, your odds of beating the IRS are much better.Jul 18 13:55
DaemonFCMinceR, The IRS is the worst possible thing you could ever owe money to. They have things they can do to you that other bill collectors could only dream of.Jul 18 13:56
DaemonFCPeople get themselves in a mess with their taxes in all sorts of ways.Jul 18 13:57
DaemonFCMy favorite is the medical debt collector.Jul 18 13:57
DaemonFCSince the US has a for-profit healthcare system and millions of people have no insurance, it's not unheard of for medical bills to run into the tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars.Jul 18 13:57
DaemonFCIn other words, for most people, there's no chance to ever pay it back, and the bill collectors know this.Jul 18 13:58
DaemonFCSo they'll offer to settle with you for pennies on the dollar.Jul 18 13:58
DaemonFCAnd a lot of people are stupid enough to agree to that, because at this point they've been harassed by these people for months or years and they just want it to stop.Jul 18 13:59
DaemonFCIt's a bad idea to negotiate with them because the IRS says that any forgiven debt is taxable income.Jul 18 13:59
MinceRstill not as shitty as in hungaryJul 18 13:59
DaemonFCSo if you owe $50,000 and they settle with you for $5,000, the IRS says that you've just been given $45,000 of taxable income.Jul 18 14:00
DaemonFCEven though it was never income, just a debt reduction.Jul 18 14:00
DaemonFCNow you probably owe like $6,000-$7,000 to the IRS as well as the $5,000 you agreed to pay the bill collector.Jul 18 14:01
DaemonFCSo you're on the hook for $12,000 or something anyway, and more than half of that debt is now owed to the federal government, which can do just about anything to you.Jul 18 14:01
DaemonFCIf you refused to negotiate with the bill collector, they might sue you, but then it goes to court, and the judge can decide how much you can pay them and in what installments.Jul 18 14:02
DaemonFCIf the judge says "Hey look, he can only pay you $5,000" that's all you owe, and the reduction is not considered a gift. So, no taxes are owed.Jul 18 14:03
DaemonFCHappens all the time. Being sued and going in front of a judge is bad, but it's worse to settle a debt with the bill collector directly.Jul 18 14:04
DaemonFCThe people that can have that done to them are generally not the poorest people in the country though. That's a middle class problem.Jul 18 14:04
DaemonFCPeople who make $15,000-$30,000 a year can usually file Chapter 11 bankruptcy for about $1,200, including the lawyer.Jul 18 14:05
DaemonFCThen it's over.Jul 18 14:05
DaemonFCPeople who make less than that have nothing to take anyway, so they can tell the bill collector to kiss their ass.Jul 18 14:06
DaemonFCB-)Jul 18 14:06
DaemonFCAt one point I was so broke and owed so much medical debt that they didn't even want to bother me, so it just aged past the statute of limitations.Jul 18 14:07
DaemonFCI still owe it, but there's no way for them to collect it and it's off my credit report.Jul 18 14:08
DaemonFCSo, I'll never pay them.Jul 18 14:08
DaemonFCThat doesn't always stop them from trying though.Jul 18 14:08
DaemonFCThere were some of them that were telling my grandmother that she owed them money from some defaulted credit cards from back in the 80s.Jul 18 14:09
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2855313Jul 18 14:45
TechrightsBot-tr@linux@joindiaspora.com: T-Mobile to launch its first Firefox phone next week http://www.techhive.com/article/2044127/tmobile-to-launch-its-first-firefox-phone-next-week.htmlJul 18 14:45
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schestowitz"And in Poland? I'll consider buying one of these :-)"Jul 18 14:45
schestowitz"Oh, forgot to ask... Where're devices with Tizen?"Jul 18 14:45
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schestowitzRMS:Jul 18 15:01
schestowitz>         [ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please considerJul 18 15:01
schestowitz>         [ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,Jul 18 15:01
schestowitz>         [ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example.Jul 18 15:01
schestowitz> Jul 18 15:01
schestowitz> Is there any way to block, or break, the camera in the Xbox One?Jul 18 15:01
schestowitzI don't know, but I think that many set-top boxes have a camera/sensor watching the living room *already* (counting people) and it's well inside the box behind a plastic panel, so it cannot be removed. It collects data about the viewers. I read about it some years ago.Jul 18 15:01
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MinceRput a sticker on it :>Jul 18 15:02
iophkSolution: buy a Ouya or NintendoJul 18 15:03
MinceRor a real computerJul 18 15:03
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2855979Jul 18 15:04
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: An Android Flip Phone Is In The Works By Samsung http://www.muktware.com/5744/android-flip-phone-works-samsung #ballnux #android #linuxJul 18 15:04
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TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: What Aren’t They Collecting?  http://jonathanturley.org/2013/07/13/what-arent-they-collecting/ "Posner contends that this data collection is not a grave threat"Jul 18 15:05
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TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Duck Duck Go: Illusion of Privacy  http://etherrag.blogspot.jp/2013/07/duck-duck-go-illusion-of-privacy.html for #privacy use #ixquick or #startpage (Dutch)Jul 18 15:16
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TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "The latest effort to distract attention from the NSA revelations is more absurd than most" http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jul/13/reuters-article-dead-man-s-switch #nsa #reuters #propagandaJul 18 15:59
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TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Privacy Scandals Are Destroying Microsoft as the Company Fails to Deny Its Abuses http://techrights.org/2013/07/18/denying-abuses/ #nsa #microsoft #privacyJul 18 16:23
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TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Tom Friedman needs to learn some history, e.g. about #Churchill  http://www.fair.org/blog/2013/07/17/tom-friedman-churchill-and-immigrants/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=tom-friedman-churchill-and-immigrants #nytimesJul 18 16:23
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TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Free Software : Eben Moglen on GPL license at EU Parliament  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FI1CoeqyD5oJul 18 16:49
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TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Terrorising the Public: Former Top NSA Lawyer Blames Civil Libertarians For 9/11 https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130717/00560223831/former-top-nsa-lawyer-blames-civil-libertarians-911-says-hype-about-nsa-may-lead-to-repeat.shtmlJul 18 16:49
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TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Patent Scope Still the Topic to Focus on, and Not Just in the United States http://techrights.org/2013/07/18/patent-scope-and-asi/ #swpats #korea #taiwan #chinaJul 18 16:49
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schestowitziophk: thanksJul 18 16:49
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2855354Jul 18 16:54
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Facebook And Google 'Degrade Our Humanity,' Says #4chan Founder http://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-and-google-degrade-our-humanity-2013-7 "do not allow users to be anonymous."Jul 18 16:54
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schestowitz"the #4chan founder, lol, love the irony"Jul 18 16:54
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2855255Jul 18 16:54
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Ditching commercial offerings for open source private cloud software  http://searchcloudcomputing.techtarget.com/news/2240186856/Ditching-commercial-offerings-for-open-source-private-cloud-software #saas #freesoftwareJul 18 16:54
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schestowitz"Just an observation - there seems to be a contradiction in terms between "private" and "cloud". Anything you put into the cloud will NEVER be private."Jul 18 16:54
schestowitz"Agreed. If one cannot control the "cloud", then it should never be considered secure, private, or without surveillance. However, could one not conceivably encrypt, say, a backup of a file and upload (via end-to-end encryption) to a cloud? Of course, this question is more directed as potential solution for those who are unable to self-host."Jul 18 16:55
iophkPogson also raises the question of what kind of things are M$ hiding from the SEC report by doing a reorg.Jul 18 16:59
iophkIf Windows and Office are going down, that can be hidden.Jul 18 17:02
iophkOr it can also be hidden just how much those two are keeping everything else afloat.Jul 18 17:02
DaemonFC ZOMG PINK PONIES says:Jul 18 17:11
DaemonFCThe US is the richest country on the planet. It's just distributed so unevenly that there are a few people who are so rich that they couldn't spend the money in 100 lifetimes, and a hell of a lot of people that aren't doing so well.Jul 18 17:11
DaemonFCWhenever the rich get together to create a government program to paper over the problems of Capitalism, and to keep the poor from bludgeoning them to death, they pay for it by digging deeper into the wallets of the middle class.Jul 18 17:11
DaemonFCWe have the money to fix the doctor problem, it's just not going to be spent to fix the doctor problem because the people on the top don't want to pay a dime to do that. Jul 18 17:11
DaemonFCI liked how Carlin said it.Jul 18 17:18
DaemonFCThe rich have all the money, do none of the work, pay none of the taxes.Jul 18 17:18
DaemonFCThe middle class does all the work and pays all the taxes.Jul 18 17:18
DaemonFCThe poor are there to scare the hell out of the middle class, and keep them showing up at their jobs.Jul 18 17:19
DaemonFCI saw a pretty interesting chart showing how in a family of four, with one adult working a minimum wage job, they could get enough out of various government programs to have the lifestyle of a family of four with one income earner making $60,000 a year.Jul 18 17:20
DaemonFCIt's probably more or less true. When you have no kids, there's little to no government help at all, no matter what kind of shape you're in. So people have kids and figure out how to use them to shake the Free Shit Tree.Jul 18 17:21
DaemonFCMinceR, Does the Democratic People's Republic of Hungaristan do something like this?Jul 18 17:21
DaemonFC"Hahaha, I'm so stupid. I show up for work every day and kept my dick in my pants, and now I have to pay taxes...."Jul 18 17:22
DaemonFCI'm glad that the sequester is reportedly wrecking Head Start.Jul 18 17:25
DaemonFCThere's no proof that kids who go to Head Start do any better in school than kids who don't.Jul 18 17:25
DaemonFCIt's basically an over-glorified federally-funded babysitting service so the parents who couldn't afford to have kids can go work a job that couldn't possibly support their lifestyles.Jul 18 17:26
DaemonFCI read Richard Stallman's political notes a lot.Jul 18 17:28
DaemonFCHe seems to generally support these kinds of programs.Jul 18 17:28
DaemonFCHe also favors population reduction.Jul 18 17:29
DaemonFCWell, it starts by demanding accountability from people for the kind of lifestyle they've chosen to live.Jul 18 17:29
DaemonFCIf you want to send your kids to daycare, that's fine. When you're writing them a check out of your own bank account.Jul 18 17:30
DaemonFCI'm telling you. If you turn off the magnet, people will stop doing these things. "Oh, I'll have to pay for those kids! Better not have any...."Jul 18 17:30
DaemonFCI do think he's right that if people want to have a procedure done so that they can't have kids, that it should be provided to them free of charge.Jul 18 17:31
DaemonFCThe difference is like $1,500 one time vs. every month until their kids all turn 18.Jul 18 17:32
iophkhttp://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57594302-93/ouya-to-raise-money-for-game-developers/Jul 18 17:48
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2855354Jul 18 19:03
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Facebook And Google 'Degrade Our Humanity,' Says #4chan Founder http://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-and-google-degrade-our-humanity-2013-7 "do not allow users to be anonymous."Jul 18 19:03
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schestowitz"4chan blocks connections through Tor. How, exactly, are they allowing users to be anonymous? They may not be showing every user who someone is, but they disallow real anonymity."Jul 18 19:03
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2852496Jul 18 19:03
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Very detailed article about "verbal abuse" remarks from Sharp (with whom I agree on this) http://www.itwire.com/business-it-news/open-source/60728-female-dev-asks-torvalds-to-curb-abuseJul 18 19:03
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schestowitz"There are several alternatives to NSA boot. Google is using Coreboot and there are a few MIPS makers in China putting out another boot system that can be replaced with the community version. Microsoft has a lock on US retail, so it is increasingly becoming a tech backwater. The rest of the world will reject UEFI because they want their software freedom and it's obvious that Microsoft is a spyware platform. The pooch has been screwed."Jul 18 19:03
prurigroschestowitz: 4chan never claimed to be anonymous, and has been quite clear about giving the ip addresses of people committing criminal acts to police as far as I can rememberJul 18 19:04
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2855255Jul 18 19:08
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Ditching commercial offerings for open source private cloud software  http://searchcloudcomputing.techtarget.com/news/2240186856/Ditching-commercial-offerings-for-open-source-private-cloud-software #saas #freesoftwareJul 18 19:08
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schestowitz"Except private in this context does not refer to privacy. Cheers for people who comment stuff without reading. ;-)"Jul 18 19:08
schestowitzprurigro:  interesting, didn't know that...Jul 18 19:08
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2855354Jul 18 19:08
schestowitz"What's with all the rumors on 4chan that Tor is unsecure and a honey-pot? It seems to be the consensus over there (or maybe the editorial policy of sock-puppetry?)"Jul 18 19:08
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Facebook And Google 'Degrade Our Humanity,' Says #4chan Founder http://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-and-google-degrade-our-humanity-2013-7 "do not allow users to be anonymous."Jul 18 19:08
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2852417Jul 18 19:09
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Man organizes satirical NSA walk, authorities come to his front door http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/07/man-organizes-satirical-nsa-walk-authorities-come-to-his-front-door/ #nsaJul 18 19:09
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schestowitz"nice! lets have 10,000 satirical NSA walks every day"Jul 18 19:09
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2855336Jul 18 19:09
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: We may soon see how #Yahoo (before #Microsoft occupied and destroyed it) opposed #prism http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/fisa-court-seeks-release-of-declassified-filings-in-secret-yahoo-case/2013/07/15/61fa1314-eda0-11e2-bed3-b9b6fe264871_story.html?hpid=z2Jul 18 19:09
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schestowitz"When did Microsoft destroy Yahoo? How did I not hear of this?"Jul 18 19:09
schestowitzSame as Yahoo http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_Hijack_of_YahooJul 18 19:09
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prurigroschestowitz: yea, a little confused considering the anonymous movement started from there- each ip is definitely logged thoughJul 18 19:10
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2855235Jul 18 19:10
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The diminishing glow of nuclear energy http://www.greenpeace.org/international/en/news/Blogs/makingwaves/the-diminishing-glow-of-nuclear-energy/blog/45939/ #energy #greenpeaceJul 18 19:10
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schestowitz"Alright, Greenpeace, you asked for it. Back to coal we go!"Jul 18 19:10
schestowitzWe have solarJul 18 19:10
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2856764  https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2856770 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2856772 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2856774 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2856785Jul 18 19:35
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: EXCLUSIVE: Ubuntu head details device launch plans  http://www.mobileworldlive.com/exclusive-ubuntu-head-details-device-launch-plans #ubuntu #linuxJul 18 19:35
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TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: German spy agency: 'No plan for NSA base in Wiesbaden' http://www.dw.de/german-spy-agency-no-plan-for-nsa-base-in-wiesbaden/a-16961511 #germany #nsa #imperialism #echelon #loopholeJul 18 19:35
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TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Jimmy Carter says NSA leaks show US has no functioning democracy http://now.msn.com/jimmy-carter-says-the-nsa-has-eliminated-a-functioning-democracy #carter on #surveillanceJul 18 19:35
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TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: 'Much bigger public outcry' needed to stop NSA surveillance http://rt.com/op-edge/bigger-public-outcry-stop-nsa-235/ #nsa #spying #policestateJul 18 19:35
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TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: NSA Spying Leaves Washington Lonelier Than Ever http://original.antiwar.com/Emma_Lo/2013/07/17/nsa-spying-leaves-washington-lonelier-than-ever/ #nsaJul 18 19:35
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2856788 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2856793 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2856796 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2856798Jul 18 19:36
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: NSA explains on how it spies on people who know people who know people who are terrorists http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/18/nsa-official-explains-on-how-it-spies-on-people-who-know-people-who-know-people-who-are-terrorists/#ixzz2ZQHIomsf http://mashable.com/2013/07/18/nsa-brief-2/Jul 18 19:36
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TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: According to NSA criteria, #assange is "high tech terrorist";  know several people who personally know #assange & Snowden; I'm no terroristJul 18 19:36
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Almost everyone is connected to everyone else just 6 hops away. US, therefore, gives itself carte blanche to call everyone "near terrorist"Jul 18 19:36
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Six degrees of separation, NSA-style  http://gigaom.com/2013/07/17/six-degrees-of-separation-nsa-style/ #nsa #stasiJul 18 19:36
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2856801 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2856805 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2856811Jul 18 19:37
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Thinks are changing after the #nsa leaks: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/07/17/nsa-surveillance-justice-hearing/2525067/ http://www.voanews.com/content/nsa-spying-draws-congressional-ire/1704119.htmlJul 18 19:37
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TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Sites like #wikileaks are not "high tech terrorism". This is high tech terrorism: http://www.spamfighter.com/News-18459-Snowden-Asserts-that-NSA-and-Israel-Collaborated-to-Launch-Cyber-Attacks-on-Irans-Uranium-Facilities.htm #nsa #israel #iranJul 18 19:37
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TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Sites like #linkedin can have you flagged for #cracking and intrusive #surveillance by the state http://www.itworld.com/it-management/364385/latvians-have-invaded-my-linkedin-network-can-nsa-be-far-behindJul 18 19:37
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/markhughes/status/357933555701133314Jul 18 19:47
TechrightsBot-trNot a tweet?Jul 18 19:47
schestowitz"How Many Of Us Are Under NSA Surveillance? You won't believe the answer until you see the math http://j.mp/16M1sWS "Jul 18 19:47
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schestowitzThere is outrage over racist humour that characterises humans as less worthy than animals (common tactic for racial incitation), but the real outrage is over the real use of humans of certain races to test medical products, GMO, etc. Those who are behind it, plutocrats and opportunists, famously use people in Africa and India for clinical trials and when things go wrong they know they won't get sued. So the really big outrage should beJul 18 19:54
schestowitzthe latter type of scenario. There is roots in reality to this sort of black humour. -RoyJul 18 19:54
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/jahkarta/status/357937728568049664Jul 18 20:03
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schestowitz"remunds me of 1st romney debate RT @schestowitz: NSA Spying Leaves Washington Lonelier Than Ever http://original.antiwar.com/Emma_Lo/2013/07/17/nsa-spying-leaves-washington-lonelier-than-ever/ … #nsa"Jul 18 20:03
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2856793Jul 18 20:04
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: According to NSA criteria, #assange is "high tech terrorist";  know several people who personally know #assange & Snowden; I'm no terroristJul 18 20:04
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2856793#Jul 18 20:05
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: According to NSA criteria, #assange is "high tech terrorist";  know several people who personally know #assange & Snowden; I'm no terroristJul 18 20:05
schestowitz"Jul 18 20:05
schestowitzCreating Fear ....... they did the same thing with the witchesJul 18 20:05
schestowitzSame game different era .........Jul 18 20:05
schestowitzYou know the witch ....... then you could be a witch too ........ options open .... dip them in the water ....... if they do not drown then they are witches ..........Jul 18 20:05
schestowitzSo then we burn them at the stake ..........Jul 18 20:05
schestowitzSeems not much of a choice ..........Jul 18 20:05
schestowitzParallel ..... looks and talks like a whistleblower ..... does he know Manning ......... then he could be a whistleblower.Jul 18 20:05
schestowitzFunny thing is Police were whistle blowers ...... it was to attract attention to a crime .........Jul 18 20:05
schestowitzWonder why the Elite would now not want to attract attention to a crime ........ maybe its getting too close to home for them.Jul 18 20:05
schestowitz"Jul 18 20:05
MinceRre what DaemonFC said, that's exactly how it works hereJul 18 20:08
MinceRuntil the state goes bankrupt, of courseJul 18 20:08
MinceRalso, kiddie-fuckers went off the deep end >> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/16/vatican-indulgences-pope-francis-tweetsJul 18 20:10
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2856950 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2856900 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2856884 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2856852 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2856846 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2856842Jul 18 20:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Making a Career From Being Racist, and How BBC Helps Promote Racism http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2013/07/18/katherine-ryan-racist/ #katherineryan #bbcJul 18 20:26
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TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Katherine Ryan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katherine_Ryan has decided to go all #racist to build her career on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mock_the_Week what a pathetic slimeJul 18 20:26
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TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Linux distro watch: UberStudent http://www.techworld.com.au/article/521252/linux_distro_watch_uberstudent/?fp=16&fpid=1 #uberstudent #gnu #linuxJul 18 20:26
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TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Psychology and the Prevention of War Trauma: An Article Rejected by American Psychologist http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/psychology-and-the-prevention-of-war-trauma-an-article-rejected-by-american-psychologist/ #censorshipJul 18 20:26
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TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "I am horrified by the continuing stream of “ royal” baby hype on television." http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2013/07/gently-back-into-the-water/Jul 18 20:26
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TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Viva la desktop! http://www.linuxformat.com/content/viva-la-desktop  #gnu #linux #desktopJul 18 20:26
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iophkhttp://www.popsci.com/gadgets/article/2013-07/one-laptop-childs-de-evolutionJul 18 20:32
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iophkhttp://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57593538-38/how-the-u.s-forces-net-firms-to-cooperate-on-surveillance/Jul 18 20:48
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schestowitziophk: Jul 18 20:59
schestowitzsee emailJul 18 20:59
schestowitzpasted hereJul 18 20:59
schestowitzfor recordJul 18 20:59
schestowitzCould you save the old domain or content? Has the company that put itJul 18 20:59
schestowitzall down contacted you? I hope the stories can all be rescued one wayJul 18 20:59
schestowitzor another...Jul 18 20:59
schestowitz(to Linus Devices founder)Jul 18 20:59
schestowitz> I've tried to rescue the old domain and content from Quinstreet, butJul 18 20:59
schestowitz> they've steadfastly put me off. I just sent another email explicitlyJul 18 20:59
schestowitz> asking if they would authorize me to publish an archive as a historicalJul 18 20:59
schestowitz> record of the emergence and eventual world domination of embedded linux.Jul 18 20:59
schestowitz> I'd be surprised if they acquiesce, but it's worth asking. Their wholeJul 18 20:59
schestowitz> attitude has been one of not giving that site or anything to do with itJul 18 20:59
schestowitz> the time of day, and though they don't value it, they seem unwilling toJul 18 20:59
schestowitz> spend the few cycles it would take to pass it on to anyone else.Jul 18 20:59
schestowitzMaybe their intention has, all along, been to just keep history down, making it easier for others to rewrite history. I remember some good feature articles from Nokia/Qt people, including very detailed technical articles that really should be kept online. What incentive is there for a media company to keep content dead rather than release it even for a small fee? Unless the agenda *is* to keep it offline...Jul 18 20:59
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iophkI think a lot of archivists would be interested in the case from a scholastic point of view.Jul 18 21:00
schestowitzMaybe a followup article about this will come, I would like to get to the bottom of it, to know why 10,000+ pro-Linux articles got essentially mass-deleted from the WebJul 18 21:00
schestowitzyesJul 18 21:00
iophkThat is if they haven't abandoned the idea of digital stewardship all togetherJul 18 21:00
iophkThat's the word for it: mass-deletedJul 18 21:01
iophkToo bad he didn't think to crawl it with wget before it changed hands.Jul 18 21:01
iophkStatic pages would be fine, maybe even preferable.Jul 18 21:02
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schestowitziophk:  got a rpely:Jul 18 21:05
schestowitz> nah, I really don't think so. I think their only incentive, as a typicalJul 18 21:06
schestowitz> U.S. corporation, is to "maximize shareholder value". the acquisition ofJul 18 21:06
schestowitz> linuxdevices was purely accidental, as part of swallowing ziff davisJul 18 21:06
schestowitz> enterprise. it wasn't making money, it wasn't their focus, it was just aJul 18 21:06
schestowitz> drain on their profit, so they squashed it like a cockroach. and for theJul 18 21:06
schestowitz> same reasons, they won't consider transferring it away unless they'reJul 18 21:06
schestowitz> compensated for the opportunity cost of investing the time needed toJul 18 21:06
schestowitz> perform the transaction (you know, a corporate attorney would have toJul 18 21:06
schestowitz> review the transfer authorization, etc, etc, etc.......)Jul 18 21:06
schestowitzThis information has high human value to the authors and future readers. It might be worth accommodating a transfer or just scraping from Web Archive with a script under the preservation argument (they have no plan to make it public, hence no competition).Jul 18 21:06
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iophkSome buy into the idea that if there is no immediate profit in something, it should be destroyed especially if someone else wants it.Jul 18 21:07
iophkAren't there backup copies to work from?Jul 18 21:07
iophkIn the digital age there is usually only ever one single copy published.  With any single failure event in the chain of stewardship, it can vanish.Jul 18 21:10
schestowitziophk: more:Jul 18 21:11
schestowitz> I've just sent such a proposal to them. is "preservation argument" aJul 18 21:12
schestowitz> technical term?Jul 18 21:12
schestowitzNot a legal term AFAIK, but probably quasi-technical. :-)Jul 18 21:12
schestowitzI think it's like claiming something about a book that ceased publication but is not yet in the public domain (copyright still applicable but isn't actively exercised as a right).Jul 18 21:12
schestowitziophk: when I wrote for other sites I kept my own copy, as more authors seem to be doing the same because they know other people's keeping of THEIR own work isn't so strong a promiseJul 18 21:12
schestowitzI may not mind deleting 1000 articles I didn't writeJul 18 21:13
schestowitzBut if I wrote 1000 articles for 1000 other sites, I'll assume they won't care enough to preserve these, so ultimately keep a copyJul 18 21:13
schestowitzHenry Kingdom wrote a LOT in Linux DevicesJul 18 21:13
schestowitzI think he was quite poor but very cleverJul 18 21:13
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schestowitzI think he tmpoerarily worked as a writer in Linux.com after LD got crapped onJul 18 21:14
schestowitzAnother is Jonathan AngelJul 18 21:14
schestowitzand Rich Lehrbaum. aka DeviceGuruJul 18 21:14
schestowitzEric Brown still writes in Linux.comJul 18 21:14
schestowitz10000 hours of work for one person to write, 1 minute for some suit to deleteJul 18 21:14
iophkIt'd be hard to find a full bibliography and track down all authors individually for each article.Jul 18 21:15
schestowitzsome of them don't have suitesJul 18 21:15
schestowitzRich has DeviceGuru.com and LinuxGizmos.comJul 18 21:15
schestowitzProbably with enough googlejuice to get all those old articles indexed in GoogleJul 18 21:15
iophkIf LD had been a paper or microfilm or microfiche edition, then each 'subscriber' could potentially provide the backup copy.Jul 18 21:15
schestowitznot that it would fix the broken linksJul 18 21:16
schestowitzLike 3000 links in techrights alineJul 18 21:16
schestowitzmostly to LinuxDevices.comJul 18 21:16
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/NoreenR1/status/357957218710208512Jul 18 21:19
TechrightsBot-trNot a tweet?Jul 18 21:19
schestowitz"Guilt by Association in America"Jul 18 21:19
iophkWhat would be the proper protocol for correcting the old LinuxDevices links in the Techrights articles?Jul 18 21:20
schestowitz"based upon false charge for the suspected or accuses to whom one is connected, e.g. group affiliation, opinions"Jul 18 21:20
schestowitzThere is a new bunch of terms now, like "militant", which is what they call those they can't call "terrorist"Jul 18 21:20
iophkI guess adding the new link while leaving the old, broken link for historical purposes would work.Jul 18 21:21
schestowitziophk: Jul 18 21:24
schestowitz> well, I appealed to them on the grounds that it would be a gesture ofJul 18 21:24
schestowitz> goodwill toward the embedded linux community (whom the screwed byJul 18 21:24
schestowitz> destroying linuxdevices.com), and end up with some good PR.Jul 18 21:24
schestowitzMy site, techrights.org, links to linuxdevices.com about 3000 times (I didn't count) and Schestowitz.com about 1,000 times (my USENET archives). Right now all the links are dead; it would be nice if the dead content would at least be reachable by searching the headline in Google, which a site with googlejuice like LinuxGizmos can achieve,Jul 18 21:24
schestowitziophk: they could build linuxgizmos in such a way, using a script to make the old URLs work by merely substituting the domain nameJul 18 21:25
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iophkRewrite engine should work ... in theory ;)Jul 18 21:26
iophkI'd say spider it and save it as static pages, if it could be made available for even a day or so.Jul 18 21:26
schestowitziophk: Rich says: "yes, I agree!!  I'm sure there are folks out there (ahem) with the necessary archived content "Jul 18 21:27
iophkWhat was that old saying about not appealing to someone's better nature, they may not have one?  Appeal instead to their self interest.Jul 18 21:27
schestowitzWe're chatting quickly nowJul 18 21:27
schestowitzI might tell him, if you don't mirror the site, I will, at risk to myself, I doubt the company would sueJul 18 21:27
schestowitziophk: Jul 18 21:29
schestowitz> yes, understood. the first step is to get authorization, at least ifJul 18 21:29
schestowitz> it's linuxgizmos who'll do it; and I do hope to get that permission, butJul 18 21:30
schestowitz> we'll see. maybe you could launch a petition to quinstreet urging themJul 18 21:30
schestowitz> to grant linuxgizmos permission to do so on some social network site...?Jul 18 21:30
schestowitz> kickstarter? indiegogo? ???Jul 18 21:30
schestowitzI will add it to my TODO :-)Jul 18 21:30
schestowitzOne way or another the articles should all be back online.Jul 18 21:30
iophkProgressJul 18 21:30
iophkI hope they don't stay mass-deleted for long.Jul 18 21:30
iophkgtgJul 18 21:31
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/NoreenR1/status/357961118435643392Jul 18 21:36
TechrightsBot-trNot a tweet?Jul 18 21:36
schestowitz"The term they have 4 me has always been ' burden to Society' but I do Aspire to B the best burden"Jul 18 21:36
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2857211  https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2857209 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2857207Jul 18 21:36
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Going by the term or extrapolating "aiding the enemy", reporting on war (not repeating Pentagon claims) makes you "high-tech terrorist"Jul 18 21:36
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Going by the US definition of "imminent threat", any Arab riding a motorcycle, entering a car, getting massage on the roof worth droningJul 18 21:36
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Going by accurate definition of "militant", there are literally millions of people whom the US would like droned right at this moment. #ciaJul 18 21:36
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2857122  https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2857084 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2857007 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2856996 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2856964Jul 18 21:37
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: New Android eyewear butts heads with Google Glass http://linuxgizmos.com/android-eyewear-device-offers-simpler-alternative-to-google-glass/  #android #linuxJul 18 21:37
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TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Could open-source GMOs bring down #Monsanto at last? http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/dvorsky20130716 but would removing #monopoly and patents make it healthy?Jul 18 21:37
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TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Netrunner 13.06 "Enigma" KDE Review: With Firefox Market place, web apps and a whole lot of goodies! http://mylinuxexplore.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/netrunner-1306-enigma-kde-review-with.html #netrunner #kdeJul 18 21:37
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TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Ultimate Linux gaming guide  http://www.dedoimedo.com/games/linux-games-guide.html #gnu #linuxJul 18 21:37
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TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Linux distro watch: UberStudent http://www.techworld.com.au/article/521252/linux_distro_watch_uberstudent/ #gnu #linuxJul 18 21:37
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schestowitz Rick Lehrbaum "> excellent!"Jul 18 21:41
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2857311Jul 18 22:08
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Links 18/7/2013: Jolla Smartphone, UberStudent  http://techrights.org/2013/07/18/uberstudent/ #techrightsJul 18 22:08
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: Links 18/7/2013: Jolla Smartphone, UberStudent | Techrights .::. Size~: 156.67 KBJul 18 22:08
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2857247Jul 18 22:08
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: KDE e.V. General Assembly 2013 http://creative-destruction.me/2013/07/18/kde-e-v-general-assembly-2013/ #kde #gnu #linuxJul 18 22:08
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schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv796V2Yoj0Jul 18 22:12
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MinceRhttp://25.media.tumblr.com/3f0a3abcdb629e6c7d71550e2f8562b8/tumblr_mp5q4752LD1qzft56o1_1280.jpgJul 18 22:20
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MinceRgnJul 18 23:01
sebsebsebschestowitz: MinceR Hi so seems for the latest Humble Bundle weeklyJul 18 23:01
sebsebsebhttp://humblebundle.com/weeklyJul 18 23:01
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sebsebsebtop contributers get sent records?  not CD's ?Jul 18 23:01
MinceR"i will not buy this record, it is scratched."Jul 18 23:02
sebsebsebMinceR: uh?Jul 18 23:02
sebsebsebMinceR: well something about vinyl sound tracksJul 18 23:02
MinceR"i will not buy this tobbaconist's, it is scratched."Jul 18 23:02
MinceRs/bbac/bacc/Jul 18 23:02
sebsebsebMinceR: seveial vinyl records that have been signedJul 18 23:03
sebsebseb,but  I don't have a old record player hereJul 18 23:03
sebsebsebso that's a bit uselessJul 18 23:03
sebsebsebthenJul 18 23:03
sebsebsebseems it's old records not CD'sJul 18 23:03
MinceRsebsebseb: just quotes from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6D1YI-41aoJul 18 23:04
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sebsebsebMinceR: what good is it having  a box of vinyls signed by the musican, that can;'t play ?Jul 18 23:06
sebsebsebsince no record playerJul 18 23:06
MinceRprobably only for the value of the signaturesJul 18 23:06
sebsebsebMinceR: well yeah possbilyJul 18 23:06
sebsebseb,but who is that guy reallyJul 18 23:07
sebsebsebsome guy from Toronto right, but hmmJul 18 23:07
sebsebsebMinceR: maybe I should ask this girl that really likes me that wants to meet me etcJul 18 23:07
sebsebsebif she's got a record playerJul 18 23:07
sebsebsebshe's really into music :dJul 18 23:07
sebsebsebmy old stero had one I think, my Dad had one in a old stero that isn't here anymore since he isn't etcJul 18 23:07
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