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schestowitz 26 00:00 New York City and State Move Forward With Unenforceable Bans on 3D-Printed Guns gunners gonna gun. #bloombergJul 26 00:00
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schestowitz"Printers gon' print!"Jul 26 00:00
schestowitz 26 00:00 A lot of young people (or their parents) upload nude photos to sites like Facebook or other 'clouds', even after the webcam laptops scandal.Jul 26 00:00
schestowitz"Just goes to show you that people just want to be naked an free! Haha!"Jul 26 00:00
schestowitz 26 00:01 reshared: ![]( #Image #Picture #Science - mudskippers - #fish that have evolved to live out of water. These fish are completely amphibious, and use their pectoral fins to walk around on land. They have a large gill chamber that retains water and closes tightly when they are not immersed in water.Jul 26 00:01
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schestowitz"die kamman essen..."Jul 26 00:01
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schestowitz 26 00:31 reshared: **Banking - the Greatest Scam on Earth** ![Web_of_Debt]( *Banking - the Greatest Scam on Earth* The #Money #Scam is hidden right out in the open, yet buried in complication and confusion. A #retired #banker describes simply, the world's Money Scam and the reason every country is now going bankrupt. #Private #bankers havJul 26 00:31
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schestowitz"We very much need income taxes."Jul 26 00:31
schestowitz 26 00:49 In the age of the PDA (~99 until ~05) it was possible to get a lot of the powers of a phone without all the #surveillance that it brings.Jul 26 00:49
schestowitz"We may still be able to do that with "tablets". I'm tempted to find and cut power to my phone's actual phone circuits."Jul 26 00:49
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prurigroschestowitz: you have openpdroid running I hope? :)Jul 26 03:57
prurigroschestowitz: requires a patch to the rom, and here's a screenshot of the frontend 26 03:58
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schestowitz 26 07:58
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Reality TV Show Catches Detective Lying Under Oath And On Police Reports | ThinkProgress .::. Size~: 36.79 KBJul 26 07:58
schestowitz"Are these not the character requirements for positions of management/power? CEO's rank highly on the psychopathy scale"Jul 26 07:58
schestowitz 26 07:59
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schestowitzThis ain't good 26 08:13
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Cybercriminals increasingly use the Tor network to control their botnets, researchers say - Network World .::. Size~: 103.29 KBJul 26 08:13
schestowitzThe war on anonymity will capitalise on this Jul 26 08:13
schestowitz 26 08:22 Rich people's loophole (because they control everything) (Feel-free fee: TSA will grope you less for $85)Jul 26 08:22
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schestowitz"Every day the class war is escalated. If you have money in America you can look forward to 1)being groped less by TSA 2)reproductive health within driving distance 3)15% tax rate and a whole bunch of things to constantly remind you that you are less important than others."Jul 26 08:22
schestowitz 26 08:25 A lot of young people (or their parents) upload nude photos to sites like Facebook or other 'clouds', even after the webcam laptops scandal.Jul 26 08:25
schestowitz"It's one thing to do something for yourself. It's another for someone to do it to you. People still don't understand the problems with non free software or "social" networks or the free alternatives that can help them avoid betrayal."Jul 26 08:25
schestowitz 26 08:25 Those who appear all too keen to collect footage of children are actually plutocrats who wish to profit from it 26 08:25
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schestowitz"Brother Bill loves your children."Jul 26 08:25
schestowitz 26 08:25 reshared: labs with abs... ![labs with abs...]( #labs #abs #dog #bookcoverJul 26 08:25
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schestowitz"Advertised as "hot dog""Jul 26 08:26
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schestowitz 26 08:37
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schestowitz"hope it is as good as it sounds"Jul 26 08:37
schestowitz" yes, always a worry"Jul 26 08:37
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schestowitz 26 08:46 Proprietary software car "refuses to stop–or even slow down–produces a unique feeling of anxiety." 26 08:46
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schestowitz"and so, they hack your cell phone and wait till you are driving to hack your car and kill you. it can be done from anywhere."Jul 26 08:46
schestowitz 26 08:47 reshared: ![fail]( #Democracy #Rights #Law #Justice #Freedom #Liberty #Politics #Royal #UKJul 26 08:47
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schestowitz"But there are admiring words for the monarchy to be found even in the Federalist Papers, which is apparently an authoritative guide for interpreting the U.S. Constitution."Jul 26 08:47
schestowitz 26 08:48 Canonical Badmouthing #android 26 08:48
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schestowitz"Jul 26 08:48
schestowitzAndroid has a lot going for it, but aside from the kernel, most folks would be hard-pressed to find similarities between traditional Linux and Android.Jul 26 08:48
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schestowitzAlso, Java for all your applications! Yuck! (Dalvik, I know, but still)Jul 26 08:48
schestowitz"\Jul 26 08:48
schestowitzPerformance wise it's not a big issue if we have strong low-energy processors. It's transparent to the users, maybe not to developers.Jul 26 08:49
iophkSo Spencer and the other boosters (new and old) are playing Ubuntu off of Android now?  Even if M$ is still the big hazard.Jul 26 08:49
schestowitznot sureJul 26 08:50
schestowitzIt's Microsoft NancyJul 26 08:50
schestowitzMaybe she's trying to start a fireJul 26 08:50
schestowitzI saw that after I had written about the claimsJul 26 08:50
schestowitzThen I became sceptical because I saw who wrote thatJul 26 08:51
iophkFirefoxOS is joining the crowd now: 26 08:56
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iophkHopefully the best UI advancements in Sailfish, Android, Ubuntu and Firefox OS will get shared around and not locked up in sw patents.Jul 26 08:57
iophkMore on corporate welfare state : 26 09:07
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MinceRgeekingsJul 26 09:11
schestowitz 26 09:17 "IBM was responsible for organizing the census of 1933 that first identified the Jews." #ibm #nazisJul 26 09:17
schestowitz"Awkward."Jul 26 09:17
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iophk 26 09:23
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schestowitz 26 09:28 A lot of young people (or their parents) upload nude photos to sites like Facebook or other 'clouds', even after the webcam laptops scandal.Jul 26 09:28
schestowitz"@Blacklory: Perhaps naked for free, rather than naked and free. ;)"Jul 26 09:29
schestowitz 26 09:36
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schestowitz"@ggreenwald who else RT Democratic establishment unmasked: prime defenders of NSA bulk spying … via @schestowitz"Jul 26 09:36
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schestowitz 26 09:36
TechrightsBot-trTitle: BREAKING: Attempted Set-Up of Stewart Rhodes & Dan Johnson With Child Porn - YouTube .::. Size~: 124.68 KBJul 26 09:37
schestowitzMASSIVE stuffJul 26 09:37
schestowitzWatch this videoJul 26 09:37
schestowitzI reckon it's some company like HBGary behind itJul 26 09:37
schestowitzUsing child pr0n as a weaponJul 26 09:37
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schestowitz 26 09:43 Does anyone know where to get info on which parts of Ubuntu are FOSS, which parts are just Open Source but not free, and which parts are proprietary? Also, same question for Ubuntu Mobile. #Linux #Ubuntu #Canonical #mobile #foss #opensource #proprietary #libreJul 26 09:43
schestowitzIt's all FOSS by default, with some blobs in the kernel, LinuxJul 26 09:43
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schestowitziophk: 26 09:54
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iophkTrying any level of development on M$ is a wasted effort.Jul 26 09:56
iophkOne that can only end badly.Jul 26 09:56
iophk"Hardware specs for the phone itself remain a bit fuzzy. Not much is known outside Jolla's claims that the handset is equipped with a dual-core processor, 16GB, 4.5-inch screen, 16GB of internal storage, and 8-megapixel camera."Jul 26 09:58
iophk 26 09:58
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MinceRmy note ii lte eats that for breakfastJul 26 10:01
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prurigroMinceR: you have a note2 also? :)Jul 26 11:21
prurigroby far the best phone on the market atm imoJul 26 11:21
prurigro(I hope you're running cyanogenmod)Jul 26 11:21
MinceRindeedJul 26 11:40
MinceRno, i'm running stock, rootedJul 26 11:40
MinceRback when i checked, cm did not have full support for itJul 26 11:40
MinceR(plus i'm not sure if it supports the one-handed features and the s-pen fully)Jul 26 11:41
prurigroMinceR: it's fully supported the GNote2 in terms of hardware support since about half way through jan, but it's fully fully supported it (cooked in gesture support etc) since around may or soJul 26 11:42
prurigrowhat are the one handed features?Jul 26 11:42
MinceRicJul 26 11:42
MinceRsmaller unlock pattern field, smaller keyboard that can be set to left or right, smaller keypad and calculator in the same wayJul 26 11:43
prurigroahh, I see- well, pattern unlock is smaller in general on 4.2, I use the aosp keypad with google's swipe addon (gets added if you install the gapps package with playstore etc) because it's so much faster than typing, and my thumb has no issues using it, and the calculator is like 10000% better (has 2d+3d graphing support, widget support etc-- no comparison)Jul 26 11:44
MinceRicJul 26 11:46
MinceRi've mostly moved to hacker's keyboard alreadyJul 26 11:46
prurigroI had to go back to that spyware infested, closed source OS you're using called touchcrap before shipping back for a warranty, and it was like stepping back into the part of the 80s that involved spandex and cocaineJul 26 11:46
MinceR:>Jul 26 11:46
prurigrohackers keyboard is great for the terminal (built into CM), but swiping your input is fantasticJul 26 11:46
prurigrothe biggest thing though is the privacy settings (builtin, but even better if you have openpdroid runnig)Jul 26 11:46
prurigroMinceR: running twrp atm?Jul 26 11:48
MinceRnot yetJul 26 11:50
prurigrogoomanager is a good way to install itJul 26 11:51
prurigrorecommended evenJul 26 11:51
prurigroif you have root of courseJul 26 11:51
prurigroyou can then make a (optionally crypto'd) backup of your current setup, then throw cyanogenmod on to test, and if you don't like it, you can swap back by restoring the backupJul 26 11:51
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DaemonFC 26 12:49
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prurigroDaemonFC: I'll believe it when I see it (doomed)Jul 26 12:51
iophk 26 13:10
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brendyn 26 13:17
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brendyn 26 13:17
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brendyn"arack Obama will strengthen whistleblower laws to protect federal workers who expose waste, fraud, and abuse of authority in government. Obama will ensure that federal agencies expedite the process for reviewing whistleblower claims and whistleblowers have full access to courts and due process. "Jul 26 13:17
MinceR:>Jul 26 13:19
brendynSeems... a little... inconsistant... ^.^Jul 26 13:20
MinceRhe did the exact opposite, didn't he? :>Jul 26 13:21
brendynI think so, detective.Jul 26 13:23
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iophkoldJul 26 14:28
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DaemonFCI get around the holiday problem by just asking people to avoid buying me anything.Jul 26 15:22
DaemonFCThey can't afford it, and neither can I, so there's no reason to do it.Jul 26 15:22
brendynBeing broke has taught me efficiency. I went from eating food at $5-10 per day to <$3Jul 26 15:24
abeNd-orgyes, but is it really food or garbage with no nutritional value & full of chemicals most dictators wouldnt use against their own people?Jul 26 15:30
DaemonFCI usually spend $5-6 a day on food.Jul 26 15:49
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iophkLinking to *msn* ??Jul 26 15:55
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iophkLack of high speed rail in the US : 26 16:21
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schestowitz 26 17:31
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schestowitz"My wife wants Ubuntu Edge, but I won't pledge to buy one because mobile phones are #privacy bombs and #ubuntu has poor record on privacy"Jul 26 17:31
schestowitzEvery little helps; worse are those who push us backwards.Jul 26 17:31
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schestowitzFell asleep for 3 hours by the poolside, not plannedJul 26 17:39
schestowitzMust rush to catch up nowJul 26 17:39
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schestowitz 26 18:11
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schestowitz"UK bans porn while sodomizing children : ( :"Jul 26 18:11
iophk 26 18:21
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Ubuntu Edge crowdfunding campaign hits $5.7m and adds lower prices | Technology | .::. Size~: 117.34 KBJul 26 18:21
schestowitz 26 18:49
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schestowitz"Thank you, Roy @schestowitz...I think? … =) So Niro's the cartel guy or RPX is a cartel? I need my dictionary..."Jul 26 18:49
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schestowitzNiro is connected to some cartels and proxies (see wiki),RPX is a conglomerate of megacorps.Jul 26 18:50
iophk"Shuttleworth confirmed that Replicant would not be supported because the EDGE hardware will require proprietary drivers/binary-blobs."Jul 26 19:03
iophk 26 19:03
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iophk 26 19:08
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iophkHave the 'temporary compromises' become permanent?Jul 26 19:09
MinceRindeedJul 26 19:10
MinceRyou can also see that canonical keeps praising m$ and crApple and slamming Android/Linux and other GNU/Linux distributionsJul 26 19:10
schestowitzIdiots: 26 20:01
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schestowitziophk: thanks, I tweeted bothJul 26 20:02
iophk32 million would be a chance to do things rightJul 26 20:02
MinceR:)Jul 26 20:04
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schestowitz 26 20:44 Proprietary software car "refuses to stop–or even slow down–produces a unique feeling of anxiety." 26 20:44
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schestowitz"Humanity always seems to find more and more clever ways of asserting its destructive nature."Jul 26 20:44
schestowitz 26 20:45 Does anyone know where to get info on which parts of Ubuntu are FOSS, which parts are just Open Source but not free, and which parts are proprietary? Also, same question for Ubuntu Mobile. #Linux #Ubuntu #Canonical #mobile #foss #opensource #proprietary #libreJul 26 20:45
schestowitz"check out my new post which references this one."Jul 26 20:45
schestowitz"added a second follow on with a screen of the install including the proprietary stuff. Interesting stuff!"Jul 26 20:45
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schestowitz 26 21:06
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schestowitz"maybe caprilis no longer trusts picking up CIA money at Caracas hotels @dam1an @pinamafe"Jul 26 21:06
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Chips_B_MalroyHi allJul 26 21:30
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Chips_B_MalroyI believe the snowball has started rolling downhill and is gathering mass for desktop linux adoption.Jul 26 21:35
Chips_B_MalroyAt first however that adoption will be Chromebooks and Android.Jul 26 21:35
Chips_B_MalroyI am not talking tablets here.Jul 26 21:36
Chips_B_MalroyFor Chromebooks and Android (on laptops) to increase than something else must decline.Jul 26 21:36
Chips_B_MalroyThis last quarter of Windows, shows us that Windows revenue declined 6% overall without the upgrade offer deferential not being factored in. Jul 26 21:38
Chips_B_MalroyEven MS stated that consumer pc sales were down by 20% during this quarter.  Meaning businesses upgrading XP (end of life) computers to Windows 7 machines made up the difference between the 6 and 20 % figures.Jul 26 21:40
Chips_B_MalroyAfter next April those business 'upgrades' will disappear and MS will not be able to count on that money.Jul 26 21:41
Chips_B_MalroyWhich means MS needs to have W9 out by then and a newer different UI on it.Jul 26 21:41
schestowitz,-next-upgrade-will-provide-4.11..htmlJul 26 21:42
Chips_B_MalroyMS needs to have something stick to the wall with all the money it is throwing at it.Jul 26 21:42
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schestowitzhi Chips_B_MalroyJul 26 21:42
Chips_B_MalroyHi RoyJul 26 21:42
schestowitzW9?Jul 26 21:42
schestowitzVapourware already?Jul 26 21:42
schestowitzMS is doomed for OSesJul 26 21:42
Chips_B_MalroyyesJul 26 21:42
schestowitzit's trying other businesses nowJul 26 21:42
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schestowitzeven java and Linux on Azure nowJul 26 21:43
schestowitzSee my latest post today, top of pageJul 26 21:43
Chips_B_Malroyyes, the NSAJul 26 21:44
Chips_B_MalroyShowden gave M$ another black eyeJul 26 21:44
schestowitz 26 21:45
Chips_B_MalroyAll MS's FUD about Google and privacy sort of blew up with the NSA disclosures by Mr. SnowdenJul 26 21:45 "IBM was responsible for organizing the census of 1933 that first identified the Jews." #ibm #nazisJul 26 21:45
schestowitz"Interestingly enough, I had posted a snippet from Wikipedia's entry, here:"Jul 26 21:45
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Chips_B_Malroysorry for the typo'sJul 26 21:45
schestowitz 26 21:46 Scientists discover what’s killing the bees and it’s worse than you thought #bees #science #natureJul 26 21:46
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schestowitzyes,. they can't use "privacy" selling point ANYMOREJul 26 21:46
schestowitzI saw some people taking potholes at them by taking nice images of parents with kids about "security" and privacy in microsoft.comJul 26 21:46
schestowitzaligning that with the NSA leaksJul 26 21:46
Chips_B_MalroyMS is losing in now on the desktop where it has the monopoly with Chromebooks selling 30% of the laptops under $300.Jul 26 21:47
schestowitz"Jul 26 21:47
Chips_B_MalroyThis typed from my Samsung Arm ChromebookJul 26 21:47
schestowitzThis sounds very much like the OIL problems off of Nigeria ........Jul 26 21:47
schestowitzWe know its OIL ........ but we do not know which one of the rigs it comes from ........ so you cannot just sue one company ..... you have to first prove which one is the worst polluter.Jul 26 21:47
schestowitzSo with pesticides and fungicides ...... it looks like by including many ....... it will not be easy to say look one product or one company is doing all the damage. ( my first thoughts on this are they are protecting the companies first ) and the actual problem is being spread as far and as wide as possible - rather than isolating a cause .........Jul 26 21:47
schestowitzA cocktail of bad pesticides ........ rather than saying one is worse than the others ....... maybe they should narrow it down to which is the worst one in those cocktails ...... then make it so that at least gets removed from the mix ........ then go for the next most lethal.Jul 26 21:47
schestowitzBut they need to narrow it down ....... not expand it.Jul 26 21:47
schestowitz"Jul 26 21:47
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: they'll lose on servers tooJul 26 21:47
schestowitzSee Netcraft statsJul 26 21:47
schestowitzMS is dying thereJul 26 21:47
schestowitzThey now try to put apache on Windows more and moreJul 26 21:47
schestowitzIIS is dyingJul 26 21:47
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: I used one such chromebook at the aiportJul 26 21:48
schestowitzthere must be sevral modelsJul 26 21:48
schestowitzthe one I used had slick GUIJul 26 21:48
Chips_B_MalroySP1/Blue does not seem to be the right color or somethingJul 26 21:48
schestowitzand the keyboard wasn't badJul 26 21:48
schestowitzI use a tabletJul 26 21:48
schestowitzwith GPLv3 and iBad stickers at its backJul 26 21:48
Chips_B_MalroyI have not put chromebutu on it yet, but plan toJul 26 21:48
Chips_B_Malroyor maybe DebianJul 26 21:49
schestowitz 26 21:49 Marketing Free Software as ‘Similar to Microsoft’ is Always a Bad Idea #libreoffice #openoffice #odfJul 26 21:49
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schestowitz"The trick is to focus on the positivity of Free Software being "better", not "similar"."Jul 26 21:49
Chips_B_MalroyI find it useful as a second laptop or when out of the houseJul 26 21:49
Chips_B_MalroyI agree that making software similar in the respect that it is compatible with office proticals is a bad idea. Jul 26 21:51
Chips_B_MalroyAs then you will spend all your time doing that, and will have to do it all over again when MS changes the protocols in the next version.  You will also always be behind them as they release first. Jul 26 21:52
Chips_B_MalroyA game played on MS terms that cannot be won.Jul 26 21:52
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schestowitzMicrosoft will nee dot change the business modelJul 26 21:58
schestowitzNot sure what they'll sellJul 26 21:58
schestowitzWindows can't compete with Linux or Android on priceJul 26 21:59
schestowitzThus MS is using Nokia to make antitrust complaintsJul 26 21:59
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Chips_B_MalroyMy isp is not the bestJul 26 22:05
schestowitz 26 22:06 A #question for #english people: What have been people's reaction to #porn content #blocking in #England?Jul 26 22:06
schestowitzEnglish who think know it's an excuse for censorship.Jul 26 22:06
Chips_B_MalroyIf those cheap Android laptops ever come out MS will lose massive desktop shareJul 26 22:07
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Chips_B_MalroyAgree with the censorship thing, its only the first step.  There is always something else later on.Jul 26 22:07
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Chips_B_MalroyMS will need a good W9 next summer in order to continue its monopoly on the desktopJul 26 22:20
Chips_B_Malroyas far a phones and tablets they are lostJul 26 22:21
Chips_B_MalroyNokia is an interesting caseJul 26 22:22
schestowitzNokia got killedJul 26 22:23
Chips_B_MalroyNokia is like a magicanJul 26 22:23
schestowitzit didn't have toJul 26 22:23
schestowitzNokia is like... deadJul 26 22:23
schestowitz"Junk" status for a year or so from many assessorsJul 26 22:23
Chips_B_Malroywhile you watch the right hand, the left hand is doing something that should never have been allowedJul 26 22:23
Chips_B_MalroyMaybe Nokia knew all along that Windows Phone software was toxic?Jul 26 22:24
Chips_B_Malroyif soJul 26 22:24
Chips_B_Malroythen why go with it?Jul 26 22:24
MinceRwhat i don't get is why the stockholders went with itJul 26 22:26
MinceRwhy elop went with it seems obviousJul 26 22:26
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Chips_B_Malroy_Nokia would not be allowed to destroy so many European jobs and replace them with sweat labor from Vietnam if they were still profitable.Jul 26 22:27
Chips_B_Malroy_all their manufacturing jobs in Europe (more than 20k) were lost and now in VietnamJul 26 22:28
Chips_B_Malroy_Not that Nokia's operating systems for phones are going to make a comebackJul 26 22:29
MinceRso the idea might be to lead the company through an unprofitable period so there would be no outrage about offshoring the manufacturing?Jul 26 22:29
Chips_B_Malroy_Just saying they probably knew in the short term WP would failJul 26 22:30
Chips_B_Malroy_But now either Nokia sells itself for a song and a dance, or embraces Android.Jul 26 22:30
MinceRyou might have missed these, but the conversation went that way anyway:Jul 26 22:30
MinceR232633 <@MinceR> what i don't get is why the stockholders went with itJul 26 22:31
MinceR232640 <@MinceR> why elop went with it seems obviousJul 26 22:31
Chips_B_Malroy_A third possiblity is it continues to shrink into a very small company.Jul 26 22:31
Chips_B_Malroy_Which is also the most likely path for MSJul 26 22:31
MinceRmaybe they'll sell the patents to CPTN or another m$ front and then go on to make linux-based phonesJul 26 22:31
Chips_B_Malroy_Guess I did miss that discussion MinceRJul 26 22:32
Chips_B_Malroy_The shareholders are not organizedJul 26 22:32
MinceRyeah, i'm expecting m$ and crApple to turn into patent trolls as their products and services become unsellableJul 26 22:32
Chips_B_Malroy_already happenedJul 26 22:32
Chips_B_Malroy_a long time agoJul 26 22:32
MinceRwell, they still put products and services on the marketJul 26 22:33
MinceRand they seem to be paying people to hack them up and run themJul 26 22:33
MinceRi think eventually they'll stop being able to afford thatJul 26 22:33
Chips_B_Malroy_MS will retreat to corporate and business customer short termJul 26 22:33
Chips_B_Malroy_Crapple will have to cut the price of Mac PC's in order to keep selling a larger share at some point, and that will cause a falling out with MS.Jul 26 22:34
Chips_B_Malroy_As you can see, both companies are part of the same hydraJul 26 22:35
MinceRindeedJul 26 22:36
Chips_B_Malroy_both are united on stopping Google as wellJul 26 22:36
schestowitzmaybe pme dau Apple will 'open' the platforms to more hardware companiesJul 26 22:37
schestowitzismack and ipwn could be made cheaper by licensing osux and hypeosJul 26 22:38
Chips_B_Malroy_I doubt itJul 26 22:38
Chips_B_Malroy_Apple is addicted to the high profitsJul 26 22:38
Chips_B_Malroy_As is Microsoft addicted to the profits made by its monopoly of windows and office, therefore every decision must be made to protect those dying cash cows.Jul 26 22:40
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Chips_B_Malroy_The bad declining times have only just started for MSJul 26 22:40
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Chips_B_Malroy_Only the replacing of the UI in W9 can partly save them, if in time.  MS Bob to the rescue.Jul 26 22:41
Chips_B_Malroy_Or at least slow their decline downJul 26 22:41
Chips_B_Malroy_Layoffs will be forthcoming for MSJul 26 22:42
Chips_B_Malroy_More massive than before.Jul 26 22:42
schestowitzforthcoming?Jul 26 22:42
schestowitzThey already happenJul 26 22:42
schestowitzwith loopholesJul 26 22:42
Chips_B_Malroy_Ballmer is closer to getting the axe.Jul 26 22:42
Chips_B_Malroy_yes, alreadyJul 26 22:42
schestowitzlike turnign staff to temps or less than part-time, offshoring, closing down sub0companiesJul 26 22:42
schestowitzI wrote about it some weeks ago and gave examplesJul 26 22:43
schestowitzBallmer getting axed won't save MSJul 26 22:43
Chips_B_Malroy_but MS can hide that from the 'mainstream' tech pressJul 26 22:43
schestowitzno more than Kim Sung Jobs left the helm for Kim Sung Cook to runJul 26 22:43
Chips_B_Malroy_soon layoffs will be too massive to hideJul 26 22:43
schestowitzif you toss out Ballmer, who replaces him and how does not save MSFT?Jul 26 22:44
Chips_B_Malroy_Bing and much of online will be sold off or spun into Yahoo, as MS has lost 17 billion overall in its failed attempt to compete with Google.Jul 26 22:44
Chips_B_Malroy_As soon as Ballmer hits the door that is.Jul 26 22:45
Chips_B_Malroy_Valueact will be an embarrassment for Bill Gates and in time will be Ballmers out. Jul 26 22:45
Chips_B_Malroy_Gates will replace Ballmer short term onlyJul 26 22:46
Chips_B_Malroy_Gates and Ballmer are both using interchangable parts, no real difference.Jul 26 22:46
Chips_B_Malroy_However, Gates would do better on day to day management, and might even keep track of windows and dog food it better than Ballmer.Jul 26 22:47
Chips_B_Malroy_So Gates would be a small improvement for MS short termJul 26 22:48
Chips_B_Malroy_He sure would be a nastier leaderJul 26 22:48
Chips_B_Malroy_Ballmer has fired anyone that could have taken overJul 26 22:48
Chips_B_Malroy_so they will have to look eslewhereJul 26 22:49
Chips_B_Malroy_My dream candidate to replace ballmer====Jul 26 22:49
MinceRm$ bob coming back would be amusingJul 26 22:49
Chips_B_Malroy_Steven ElopJul 26 22:49
Chips_B_Malroy_just look at what he did for NokiaJul 26 22:49
Chips_B_Malroy_only he can run down MS faster that FesterJul 26 22:49
Chips_B_Malroy_*thanJul 26 22:50
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Chips_B_Malroy_Metro really is the direct descendant of Bob anyway.  And Bill wants it back in W9 in another form. Jul 26 22:50
Chips_B_Malroy_MS failure is Linux gain.  And as we know that is a gain for people.Jul 26 22:56
Chips_B_Malroy_Apple had their run too, and is starting to decline as wellJul 26 22:57
Chips_B_Malroy_Ballmer is so hard headed that he is not insisting that OEM's put W7 on non touch computers.Jul 26 23:11
Chips_B_Malroy_Not that that would save them.Jul 26 23:11
Chips_B_Malroy_but it would be a least some damage controlJul 26 23:11
Chips_B_Malroy_also an admission of defeatJul 26 23:11
schestowitzyeahJul 26 23:14
schestowitz[22:46] <Chips_B_Malroy_> Gates will replace Ballmer short term onlyJul 26 23:15
schestowitzGates is not interestedJul 26 23:15
schestowitzhe has more profitable ventures nowJul 26 23:15
schestowitzincluding Intellectual VenturesJul 26 23:15
Chips_B_Malroy_he is interested in his moneyJul 26 23:15
schestowitzMicrosoft was his warmup act and way to save money to rob the world on interest payments on patentsJul 26 23:15
Chips_B_Malroy_and his stock and the foundation's stock (which is the same thing) pricesJul 26 23:16
Chips_B_Malroy_he would only come back as an interm CEOJul 26 23:16
Chips_B_Malroy_IMOJul 26 23:16
Chips_B_Malroy_who else could run it?Jul 26 23:17
Chips_B_Malroy_(anyone could run it better than Fester)Jul 26 23:17
schestowitz 26 23:18 reshared: **That's how trouble starts**<BR> ![]( <BR> #lol #fun #kidJul 26 23:18
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schestowitz"guilty."Jul 26 23:18
Chips_B_Malroy_anyone that would improve the underlying product (windows) for users would be a step in the right directionJul 26 23:18
schestowitz"I mean me."Jul 26 23:18
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy_: not sureJul 26 23:18
schestowitzthey have some dodgy CFO scenarioJul 26 23:19
schestowitzI reckon NSA could play a role in Skype BuyoutJul 26 23:19
schestowitzmaybe some black budget helps subsidiize MSFTJul 26 23:19
schestowitzIt's good for the US empireJul 26 23:19
schestowitzback doors, black screens of death, Stuxnet, PRISM..Jul 26 23:19
schestowitzNow SkypeJul 26 23:19
schestowitzMicrosoft is part of the Regime nowJul 26 23:20
Chips_B_Malroy_Skype was all about the lockin to the Windows OSJul 26 23:20
MinceRit was about a bit more than thatJul 26 23:20
Chips_B_Malroy_it will however turn out to be another 8.5 billion writedown later onJul 26 23:20
MinceRit was also about wiretapping and building a botnetJul 26 23:20
schestowitz 26 23:20 #Obama #Blame #PhonyScandals & #Distractions For Five Years Of A #BadEconomy #Illinois #KnoxCollege #autoindustry #healthcare #taxcode #Energy #unemployedJul 26 23:21
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Chips_B_Malroy_before we forget, its more than just the NSA leaks and reg keysJul 26 23:21
schestowitzIn 2008 Obama could plame Bush. But Obamaism has gotten more extreme than Bush, so he can't possibly blame Bush... now for wars, not for helping banks rob people. Obama is more of the same, so his words are a distraction and phone facade.Jul 26 23:21
Chips_B_Malroy_How about MS part in the "great firewall of china"   MS was very close to the Red Chinese and helped them with their surveillance setups.  Not only that but MS actuall showed both Red China and Russia the source code for Windows.Jul 26 23:22
Chips_B_Malroy_At least Google said no to Red China and moved its servers to Hong Kong expected them to even shut down those.  MS crowed about how Bing would take over the chinese market at that time and what a mistake Google made.Jul 26 23:24
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Chips_B_Malroy_Ballmer has no shame.Jul 26 23:25
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Chips_B_Malroy_surtace RT is a brick that will end up in an African toxic landfill as there is not yet a way to get around the uefi that is on it and put a useful operating system on it.Jul 26 23:35
Chips_B_Malroy_ 26 23:36
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Chips_B_Malroy_"Calling Windows 8 a “flop,” Einhorn’s letter says a “decade of mismanagement has put Microsoft at risk of becoming a shrinking company.”"Jul 26 23:37
Chips_B_Malroy_what an understatementJul 26 23:37
Chips_B_Malroy_I wonder what landfill all those unsold Kin's went too?Jul 26 23:39
Chips_B_Malroy_ 26 23:55
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Chips_B_Malroy_Preston GailaJul 26 23:55
Chips_B_Malroy_"And Microsoft itself has warned that Windows sales in the next quarter could decline by 15 percent."Jul 26 23:56

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