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Chips_B_Malroy_if your already down by 20% in consumer pc sales, and could see further declines of 15%, this is real failureJul 27 00:02
Chips_B_Malroy_at some point the OEM's will fail.  Jul 27 00:03
Chips_B_Malroy_And the OEM revolt will beginJul 27 00:03
Chips_B_Malroy_Had Ballmer not increased the prices on many business software and services by 15%, the last few quarters would have been very bleakJul 27 00:05
Chips_B_Malroy_I usually do not make predictions, butJul 27 00:22
Chips_B_Malroy_Surface RT will not sell in any number at $350 plus sales tax.Jul 27 00:22
Chips_B_Malroy_So this 900 million writedown, its not the last one.Jul 27 00:23
Chips_B_Malroy_Also, expect Surface RT/2 to be another failure and eventually writedown.Jul 27 00:24
Chips_B_Malroy_Even at $99 the RT is not worth anything.Jul 27 00:27
Chips_B_Malroy_Windows RT, or Windowns on Arm RT.  (WART)  What the heck does RT mean anyway???  runtime?  RunTime?Jul 27 00:28
Chips_B_Malroy_or reject.  RejecTJul 27 00:28
MinceRReally TryingJul 27 00:29
Chips_B_Malroy_lolJul 27 00:29
Chips_B_Malroy_or not Really Trying hard enough?Jul 27 00:29
MinceR:>Jul 27 00:30
MinceRRestricted to TilesJul 27 00:30
MinceRReally TriteJul 27 00:31
Chips_B_Malroy_Real TrashJul 27 00:32
MinceR:)Jul 27 00:32
Chips_B_Malroy_cloned your last ideaJul 27 00:32
Chips_B_Malroy_maybe soon to be Real Trash in a landfill near youJul 27 00:33
MinceRindeedJul 27 00:33
MinceRgnJul 27 00:33
Chips_B_Malroy_gnJul 27 00:34
Chips_B_Malroy_imagine a picture of a landfill in far off Africa, with toxic oil leaking out of the ground, and a few dumptrucks there.  On the side of the dumptrucks are painted;  Kin, Zune, Surface RT, Surface Pro, Plays for Sure, Jul 27 00:36
MinceRfits the Spilled Wastebasket logo of vista8 pretty wellJul 27 00:37
Chips_B_Malroy_http://news.yahoo.com/nokia-exec-wants-microsoft-step-game-windows-phone-183559227.htmlJul 27 00:46
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Nokia exec wants Microsoft to step up its game with Windows Phone apps - Yahoo! News .::. Size~: 200.56 KBJul 27 00:46
Chips_B_Malroy_could this be a falling out between these two companies?Jul 27 00:46
Chips_B_Malroy_I would not see Yahoo going past its 5 year enslavement (agreement) with MS eitherJul 27 00:47
Chips_B_Malroy_http://www.itworldcanada.com/news/microsofts-big-data-bob/147439Jul 27 00:49
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft’s big data Bob - Page 1 - Departmental and End User Computing .::. Size~: 94.51 KBJul 27 00:49
Chips_B_Malroy_Only Bob can save MS from Metro nowJul 27 00:50
Chips_B_Malroy_google needs to go after Microsoft for its integration of Bing search in Desktop Windows 8 as an anti-trust complant Jul 27 00:52
Chips_B_Malroy_its another forced measure by MS and another way to fake the search share numbers as well to increase pricing on Bing adsJul 27 00:53
Chips_B_Malroy_short version, MS is cheating once againJul 27 00:54
Chips_B_Malroy_http://www.stableytimes.com/news/has-windows-and-surface-mess-gotten-microsoft-ballmer-fired/6932/Jul 27 01:00
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Has Windows and Surface mess gotten Microsoft's Ballmer fired? - Stabley Times | Stabley Times .::. Size~: 69.61 KBJul 27 01:00
Chips_B_Malroy_"Even the “Friends of Bill” on the board of directors will have to consider making a change if Ballmer can’t get the Windows 8 mess straightened out by the end of this year. Without the automatic revenue from the Windows cash cow, Microsoft doesn’t continue being the kind of company that can go a decade without a new hit product. If Windows 8.1 doesn’t stop the bleeding, Ballmer loses his safety net. Don’t exJul 27 01:01
Chips_B_Malroy_e giving his CEO tenure the blue screen of death."Jul 27 01:02
Chips_B_Malroy_its been fun, later allJul 27 01:17
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2884390Jul 27 01:26
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brendynhttp://www.afr.com/p/technology/spy_agencies_ban_lenovo_pcs_on_security_HVgcKTHp4bIA4ulCPqC7SLJul 27 03:57
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Spy agencies ban Lenovo PCs on security concerns .::. Size~: 51.9 KBJul 27 03:57
brendyn"The company said its “products have been found time and time again to be reliable and secure by our enterprise and public sector customers ..." ---What a crock of shit hahaJul 27 03:58
brendynOne does not simple 'find', from usage, that their laptop has a secret backdoor, they would have to go look for itJul 27 04:01
brendynand reliability, and other forms of security, don't make a computer more secure in this way. It's like the affect heuristic applied to a computerJul 27 04:03
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MinceR"Flash forward to today when numerous analysts and some users are finding Apple Inc.’s Siri and More recently Google Inc.’s Now quite irritating, Microsoft is proposing a big data version of its old Bob concept."Jul 27 08:48
MinceRit's like they're saying 'you think _those_ are irritating? wait till you see bob!'Jul 27 08:48
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DaemonFCMinceR, Woof woof. I'm rover retriever and I'll walk you through the Bob House. Woof woof!Jul 27 08:56
DaemonFC$50 well spentJul 27 08:56
MinceR:>Jul 27 08:57
DaemonFCThen parts of it ended up resurfacing in Windows XP.Jul 27 08:57
MinceRalso in m$ officeJul 27 08:57
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DaemonFChttp://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/07/26/1226585/-NAFTA-is-making-Mexico-sickJul 27 09:31
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DaemonFCIt's still not popular among Americans either.Jul 27 09:32
DaemonFCIt has been linked to at least 850,000 lost jobs.Jul 27 09:32
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iophkhttp://linuxgizmos.com/replicant-fully-free-android-alternative-solicits-funds/Jul 27 09:45
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Replicant fully-free Android distro project solicits funds ·  LinuxGizmos.com .::. Size~: 29.39 KBJul 27 09:45
iophkhttp://www.slackware.com/announce/1.0.phpJul 27 09:48
TechrightsBot-trTitle: The Slackware Linux Project: Slackware Release Announcement .::. Size~: 6.27 KBJul 27 09:48
iophkhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/jul/26/porn-sites-internet-traffic-ukJul 27 10:40
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Porn sites get more internet traffic in UK than social networks or shopping | Technology | The Guardian .::. Size~: 124.4 KBJul 27 10:40
iophkhttps://www.infoworld.com/d/consumerization-of-it/its-vacation-time-leave-the-work-safely-behind-223413Jul 27 10:45
TechrightsBot-trTitle: It's vacation time: Leave the work (safely) behind | Consumerization Of It - InfoWorld .::. Size~: 94.84 KBJul 27 10:45
iophkhttps://torrentfreak.com/uk-porn-filter-will-censor-other-content-too-isps-reveal-130726/Jul 27 10:48
TechrightsBot-trTitle: UK Porn Filter Will Censor Other Content Too, ISPs Reveal | TorrentFreak .::. Size~: 339.98 KBJul 27 10:48
iophkhttp://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/07/money-nsa-vote/Jul 27 10:50
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Lawmakers Who Upheld NSA Phone Spying Received Double the Defense Industry Cash | Threat Level | Wired.com .::. Size~: 125.25 KBJul 27 10:50
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DaemonFCComcast has a porn filter that can block other things.Jul 27 11:13
DaemonFCIt's off by default, for now.Jul 27 11:13
*DaemonFC doesn't see how porn is harmful to minors.Jul 27 11:13
DaemonFCRight wing politicians that block access to fact-based sex education are harmful to minors.Jul 27 11:14
iophkporn is just the excuse, their main goal is getting filtering in placeJul 27 11:18
iophkblocking criticism of multinationals, etc.Jul 27 11:20
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DaemonFCYeah. Sooner or later, things like Facebook could end up gaining the upper hand over the open web.Jul 27 11:44
DaemonFCThat's a scary thought.Jul 27 11:44
DaemonFChttp://www.gallup.com/poll/163727/fewer-young-adults-holding-full-time-jobs-2013.aspxJul 27 11:48
TechrightsBot-trTitle: In U.S., Fewer Young Adults Holding Full-Time Jobs in 2013 .::. Size~: 44.77 KBJul 27 11:48
DaemonFCA college education is pretty pointless now in most cases, because you won't make enough money or even find a job in that field at all to compensate for the student loan debt.Jul 27 11:49
DaemonFCIf you graduate with $50,000 in debt and end up working for $9-10 an hour anyway while they dock your pay below minimum wage, you're hardly better off than you were before.Jul 27 11:50
brendynsame. i dont know why parents find it necessary to make a drama over of sexJul 27 11:51
DaemonFCThere's a couple of factors that are somewhat promising, but will take 10-20 years to have a huge effect.Jul 27 11:52
DaemonFCA lot of people are reaching retirement age, and the birth rate has dipped lower than at any other point in the last 100 years.Jul 27 11:52
DaemonFCOf course, they're still talking about letting in a bunch of unskilled immigrants to help keep wages down.Jul 27 11:53
DaemonFCI think their plan is to have a lot of American citizens in the 18-40 age group commit suicide en masse to make room for a bunch of immigrants that aren't particularly desirable.Jul 27 11:53
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2820836Jul 27 13:38
schestowitz"absolutely a fantastic runner on my aging eeePC. going to try a USB stick (with persistence) soon."Jul 27 13:38
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schestowitz"I can't believe we are still having this conversation  There are so many better ways to make documents.  If you insist on paper flow, there are both archaic "office suites" and specialized applications such as Scribus or Inkscape that blow non free software away.  If you want to live in the present, your organization is keeping a wiki.  Smaller, collaborative work is much easier with Google Docs than it is with something silly like Jul 27 13:56
schestowitzWord.  If you absolutely, positively must have an office suite, please use a free one and share in ODF.  Please see, "We Can Put an End to Word Attachments" by Richard Stallman.  "Jul 27 13:56
schestowitzhttps://plus.google.com/u/0/113579520393333767984/posts/46CLsKSKUnjJul 27 13:56
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Will Hill - Google+ - I can't believe we are still having this conversation… .::. Size~: 226.42 KBJul 27 13:56
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2885370Jul 27 14:36
schestowitz"Jul 27 14:36
schestowitzI'm in awe of the cleverness of this - only in the sense of technical know-how...but what is the point? What gives him (or any government or company for that matter) the right to do so? Just because you can doesn't necessarily mean you should. Yes, tech is like nature - neither inherently good nor bad, but is labelled/determined by its use... Why not repurpose the idea for a greater good?Jul 27 14:36
schestowitz...or is it that I'm completely missing the point of these trespasses...?Jul 27 14:36
schestowitz"Jul 27 14:36
schestowitzA lot of people have no principles or weak ones in the face of monetary temptationsJul 27 14:37
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2885452Jul 27 14:42
schestowitzIf Monasto and their ilk won't identify their GMO products, perhaps those with integrity and conscience will label theirs "NON-GMO". Brilliant idea!Jul 27 14:42
schestowitz"When your opponent is like a rock, you must be like water."Jul 27 14:42
schestowitzQUOTEJul 27 14:43
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/fcassia/status/361119216507682816Jul 27 14:43
abeNd-orgyea, who knows if they are lyingJul 27 14:43
schestowitz"wish they'd say something ab GOOG's "embrace and extend" coup of Java via Dalvik,killing t WORA level playing field "Jul 27 14:43
TechrightsBot-trNot a Diaspora post?Jul 27 14:43
TechrightsBot-trNot a tweet?Jul 27 14:43
abeNd-orgor possibly have gmo mixed in without knowing it (until monsato sues them)Jul 27 14:43
DaemonFCI'm filling out a community survey that the federal government sent out.Jul 27 14:44
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2885452Jul 27 14:45
schestowitz"Although I would prefer more informing of people regarding all the bad sides of meat, this is at least something."Jul 27 14:45
DaemonFCIt's asking what I think about the neighborhood.Jul 27 14:45
DaemonFCHow I think it could be improved.Jul 27 14:45
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DaemonFCI gave low marks to the police and snow removal. I mentioned that there are no grocery stores in a 3 mile radius. I mentioned that the road I live on is in severe disrepair and has a lot of potholes that need patched.Jul 27 14:46
DaemonFCIt asks if I think the neighborhood will improve or decline in the next three years. I said I think it will decline because the area has fewer good jobs every year, and because of a general trend of tax hikes and fewer public services.Jul 27 14:47
DaemonFCI gave high marks to our local library an general safety of people living in the neighborhood. Jul 27 14:48
DaemonFCDespite the long wait for police response, a lot of people in the area have guns, so if their home was broken into they'd just shoot the invader.Jul 27 14:49
DaemonFCI didn't put that part down, but the criminals know this and it keeps crime down despite the bad police response time.Jul 27 14:50
DaemonFCIt's a little disturbing that a lot of areas have police response times of a half hour or more now because of budget cuts.Jul 27 14:50
DaemonFCThe states doing this pass those stand your ground laws instead.Jul 27 14:51
DaemonFCIn other words "Just shoot them because it doesn't cost us anything.".Jul 27 14:51
DaemonFCOne thing that Congress and Obama did that I approve of was the energy efficiency tax credits.Jul 27 14:53
DaemonFCThose tax credits are one of the reasons this apartment complex is investing in energy efficiency.Jul 27 14:54
DaemonFCThey took out a loan for a couple of million dollars and they're buying stuff and putting people to work, and it will reduce the energy and water usage/carbon footprint, etc.Jul 27 14:55
DaemonFCIt needed it. From the looks of things, the last time they put a lot of money into this complex was around the 1980s.Jul 27 14:55
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DaemonFCWhen I moved in, it had those fugly lime green counter tops and such.Jul 27 14:56
schestowitz"I truly don't want to come across as utterly naive. I suppose my comment, my thinking on this comes from a place of frustration, of advocacy, of concern for trends growing seemingly out of control. Yes, unscrupulous people do unscrupulous things... It is action without honor."Jul 27 14:56
schestowitzMedia conditions us to think of money as the only source of honour.Jul 27 14:56
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2885370#Jul 27 14:56
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2885414Jul 27 15:13
schestowitz"My understanding is that there will be a Sharknado 2."Jul 27 15:13
TechrightsBot-trNot a Diaspora post?Jul 27 15:14
TechrightsBot-tr"My understanding is that there will be a Sharknado 2."Jul 27 15:14
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2885408Jul 27 15:48
schestowitz"Yes the solution is always to give rich folks more money"Jul 27 15:48
schestowitzMarkosismJul 27 15:48
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iophkproblematic M$ worship Jul 27 17:14
iophkhttp://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/ubuntu-may-do-it-better-but-canonical-head-sees-merits-of-windows-8-efforts-1168992Jul 27 17:14
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Ubuntu may do it better, but Canonical head sees merits of Windows 8 efforts | News | TechRadar .::. Size~: 88.99 KBJul 27 17:14
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iophkhttp://www.hindustantimes.com/Brunch/Brunch-Stories/Which-OS-can-beat-Android-and-iOS/Article1-1098742.aspxJul 27 17:54
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Which OS can beat Android and iOS? - Hindustan Times .::. Size~: 62.09 KBJul 27 17:54
schestowitziophk: I think that on Edge we should support Ubuntu/CaninicalJul 27 18:11
schestowitzThey're up against mostly proprietary or semi-open platformsJul 27 18:11
schestowitzin desktop there's lots of Freer distrosJul 27 18:12
iophkYes, on average it is probably good to support it, even if it could do a lot better in regards to Freedom.Jul 27 18:14
iophkThey forget that Freedom is a good selling point.Jul 27 18:14
schestowitzNot sure they forgotJul 27 18:17
schestowitzThey hardly ever pressed on itJul 27 18:17
schestowitz"linux for human beings" was about ease of useJul 27 18:17
iophkIt's more like they avoid it on purposeJul 27 18:17
schestowitzi.e. confort and convenience over freedom, which matters in DebianJul 27 18:17
schestowitzred hat likes "open source"Jul 27 18:18
schestowitzit doesn't use the F wordJul 27 18:18
iophkBut betrayal of freedom interest with the Mono incidents did turn away a lot of the community.Jul 27 18:20
iophkAlso speaking of freedom, they seem to be dissing their community more by insisting on using a closed source, proprietary forum package.Jul 27 18:21
schestowitzhttp://www.wtwma.com/ http://www.weathermodification.com/ http://www.just-clouds.com/Jul 27 18:59
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TechrightsBot-trTitle: WEATHER MODIFICATION: cloud seeding, atmospheric services - Weather Modification, Inc. .::. Size~: 8.98 KBJul 27 18:59
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schestowitzposted by some chemtrail advocateJul 27 18:59
schestowitzhttp://nsnbc.me/2013/04/13/eu-conference-on-weather-modification-and-geo-engineering-reiterates-1999-demands-for-transparency-and-democratic-control/Jul 27 19:00
TechrightsBot-trTitle: EU Conference on Weather Modification and Geo-Engineering reiterates |   nsnbc international .::. Size~: 88.76 KBJul 27 19:00
schestowitzA lot of chemtrial proponents push a similar theory to that of fluoride phobic people that claim the government is trying to deliberately poison the population. Some of the vaccination phobia is similar to that too, and to a lesser degree pesticides..  The problems there exist, but they're poorly framed.Jul 27 19:02
schestowitz*chemtiialJul 27 19:03
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/poesurJul 27 20:33
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schestowitz" #Argentina KiKi-500THIEVES: Spy criminal Army chief: He will make the Army as only knows: Repressive agency of domestic affairs"Jul 27 20:34
iophkThe good news is that there is no Flash on these devices: Jul 27 21:12
iophkhttp://www.theverge.com/2013/7/26/4559066/free-apple-ipad-school-children-la-districtJul 27 21:12
TechrightsBot-trTitle: All of LA's 640,000 schoolkids will get iPads by the end of 2014 | The Verge .::. Size~: 109.25 KBJul 27 21:12
iophkHowever, how many more Android units could have been bought for the same amount?  A customized Android without Flash could have easily been provided.Jul 27 21:12
iophkOr for the same number of devices, how much less would have Android cost?Jul 27 21:13
iophkThe shools are paying a premium for what amounts to designer gear.Jul 27 21:13
iophkhttp://www.muktware.com/5791/chromecast-torn-apart-whats-insideJul 27 21:14
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Chromecast torn apart, what's inside? | Muktware .::. Size~: 61.87 KBJul 27 21:14
iophkhttp://www.muktware.com/5793/mark-shuttleworth-answers-question-about-ubuntu-edge-redditJul 27 21:15
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Mark Shuttleworth answers question about Ubuntu Edge on Reddit | Muktware .::. Size~: 65.04 KBJul 27 21:15
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2885452Jul 27 22:47
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: U.S. approves NON-GMO labeling for meats from animals fed NON-GMO diets http://www.undergroundhealth.com/u-s-approves-non-gmo-labeling-for-meats-from-animals-fed-non-gmo-diets/ informed choicesJul 27 22:47
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: U.S. approves NON-GMO labeling for meats from animals fed NON-GMO diets - Underground Health .::. Size~: 86.33 KBJul 27 22:47
schestowitz"If we're into being holier than the neighbor, the only truly ethical food is life-respecting (including plants and monocellular organisms), as well as organic, fair-trade, and prepared under methods and recipes under a free license. In short, cultivate your own fruits and never ever eat out of home."Jul 27 22:48
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2886222Jul 27 22:48
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Kwheezy #GNU / #Linux http://www.kwheezy.com/en/# Kwheezy #debianJul 27 22:48
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schestowitz"Somehow I don't trust distributions which shows Compiz/Kwin 3D cube on their homepage."Jul 27 22:48
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2886891Jul 27 22:54
TechrightsBot-tr@lxle@ilikefreedom.org: I'm starting to see a disturbing trend among the new wave of Linux users, its seems hardly any of them know about any of the philosophies behind Free and Open Source Software or what governs the software and protects their freedoms nor why its important. They are totally unaware of names, backgrounds etc., essentially who, what, where, how and why.  Recently I was told that many who work on an official ubuntu derivatiJul 27 22:54
schestowitzMuktware has been acquired by Google Inc.Jul 27 22:56
schestowitzJust kidding, but almost all of their stories these days are about Google,.  and that includes proprietary software and services. Swapnil plays a part in this too now, just not his prolific colleague. A potentially big loss and The H is now dead and Muktware used to be a good sourceJul 27 22:58
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/361250969968844800Jul 27 23:27
TechrightsBot-trNot a tweet?Jul 27 23:27
schestowitz"American Pravda..."Jul 27 23:27
schestowitzOnly 'they' do it...Jul 27 23:27
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2885807Jul 27 23:47
TechrightsBot-tr@rocapc@joindiaspora.com reshared: ### Global march against chemtrails and geoengineering August 5, 2013 http://www.globalmarchagainstchemtrailsandgeoengineering.com/events.html #global #march #anti #chemtrails #geoengineering #education #protest #not-natural #stop #august052013Jul 27 23:47
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schestowitz"I do not know about the intent but i have great doubts that they are actually making things better..."Jul 27 23:47
schestowitz"For example if you make it rain somewhere that rain won't fall where it would have fallen if they had not intervened..."Jul 27 23:47
schestowitz"The climate is totally messed up as it is, and we should not be so arrogant to think we can control nature in the first place..."Jul 27 23:48
schestowitz"But i agree it would have been better if they had called it march against geoengeneering or weather modification and not use the term chemtrails..."Jul 27 23:48
schestowitzChemtrails is a HUGELY loaded term. When you say it you basically commit credibility suicide these days. I didn't know this until I first heard it some years ago.Jul 27 23:48
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/chasebockman/status/361256886131109889Jul 27 23:50
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schestowitz"As he/she should : ( : pic.twitter.com/JL9grGGsb9 "Jul 27 23:51
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