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schestowitzhttp://searchengineland.com/with-amazing-chutzpah-google-claims-it-cant-be-sued-in-uk-courts-170041Aug 21 10:42
TechrightsBNsearchengineland.com | With Amazing Chutzpah Google Claims It Can't Be Sued In UK Courts  [ http://ur1.ca/f57ef ]Aug 21 10:42
schestowitzNo. It's not chutzpah. It's quite normal to make that argument in international cases. Can Google be sued in Iran under Iranian law? How about North Korea? Let's make the question a little closer to home. Let's say you are being sued by someone in Iran. You don't live in Iran. You live in the US. Now how do you feel? Do you wish to be under the laws of every disparate nation in the world? As this class on jurisdiction points out, inAug 21 10:43
schestowitzSaudi Arabia there is a death penalty for adultery. Do you want to be liable under that law if you are a US citizen living in the US? Can Saudi Arabia come and stone you? How would the internet work if it was the law that companies are liable under each and every country's laws, regardless of the obvious contradictions, and could enforce its rulings everywhere in the world? Would anyone set up an online business in such a situation?Aug 21 10:43
schestowitzI wouldn't. How about China? Shall we accept limitations that it imposes on its citizens as limitations on US citizens also?Aug 21 10:43
schestowitzI know it's popular to attack Google, but really it's quite normal to be sued where you are in business. Terms of use, which users accept, usually, typically tell you where you can sue. There are some exceptions, such as in cases of libel, where one can argue that you want it tried where the harm was done to the plaintiff, but even then, it's quite typical to see jurisdictional assertions at least raised. It's not only not chutzpah Aug 21 10:43
schestowitzto do that, it'd be malpractice not to. The first time a country asserted jurisdiction over the Internet, Australia, it was big news. That's how unusual it was to even try to assert jurisdiction over a US company under another country's laws. Do you want to accept Germany's laws about not speaking about Hitler favorably? Does Germany get to annul America's First Amendment in the US? Do you see the complexity that ensues if a companyAug 21 10:43
schestowitzcan be sued anywhere and everywhere? If a country can claim jurisdiction over another country's territory? It is *normal* to sue where a company is headquartered. Google may or may not succeed, but it's certainly not chutzpah to argue that it should be sued where it is located.Aug 21 10:43
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schestowitzHello, if you have any questions or queries about any of the services we offer, just let us know.Aug 21 12:31
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schestowitzHi, this is urgentAug 21 12:31
schestowitzYou are currently being served byAug 21 12:31
schestowitzSamAug 21 12:31
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schestowitzHelloAug 21 12:31
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schestowitzschestowitz.com, my domain (schestow on lueberry)Aug 21 12:31
schestowitzSamAug 21 12:31
schestowitzYes.Aug 21 12:31
schestowitzYou (click to change)Aug 21 12:31
schestowitzrelegated to megadealAug 21 12:31
schestowitzno idea why, error in cpanel? Can't access, says bandwidth exceededAug 21 12:31
schestowitzDisk Space Usage 4,682.37 / 250 MBAug 21 12:31
schestowitzSamAug 21 12:32
schestowitzEr, two seconds.Aug 21 12:32
schestowitzYou (click to change)Aug 21 12:32
schestowitz15,976.07 / 2,000 MBAug 21 12:32
schestowitzSamAug 21 12:32
schestowitzEr, it's listed as a megadeal in myaccoungt with 10Gb of extra diskspace?Aug 21 12:32
schestowitzYou (click to change)Aug 21 12:32
schestowitzcan't access my mail, either (just found this out)Aug 21 12:32
schestowitzthere is some systemic failure at one level or another, please act to restore service firstAug 21 12:32
schestowitzSamAug 21 12:32
schestowitzYeah it's already back up.Aug 21 12:32
schestowitzYou (click to change)Aug 21 12:32
schestowitzI don't know how long this has been going on. Can you rectify the issue and perhaps compensate with extra bandwidth for this downtime?Aug 21 12:32
schestowitzSamAug 21 12:32
schestowitzI ran a cleanup about 5 minutes ago that may have effected this.Aug 21 12:32
schestowitzGive me 2 minutes I'm just investigating.Aug 21 12:32
schestowitzAbout 5 minutes prior even.Aug 21 12:32
schestowitzYou (click to change)Aug 21 12:32
schestowitzI wish we were notifiedAug 21 12:32
schestowitzSamAug 21 12:32
schestowitzThis isn't something that should of affected this.Aug 21 12:32
schestowitzYou (click to change)Aug 21 12:32
schestowitzCan I be compensated with bandwidth please for these issues?Aug 21 12:32
schestowitzSamAug 21 12:32
schestowitzI'll add 5Gb of extra bandwidth for a month.Aug 21 12:32
schestowitzAs a gesture of goodwill, however I can't offer anything more.Aug 21 12:32
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schestowitzThanksAug 21 12:32
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