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amarsh04http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHlzsURb0WIAug 12 00:29
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Überwachungsstaat - Was ist das? - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/esr6t ]Aug 12 00:30
amarsh04^ above clip has English subtitlesAug 12 00:32
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2923710#Aug 12 07:37
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "The option to disable #JavaScript is gone from #Firefox 23" (just confirmed in #techrights IRC) #mozilla , you suck on this one!Aug 12 07:37
schestowitz"Thanks for that info, Jai. That's interesting that you say that, Jaro. I found NoScript a bit daunting when I first started with it, mostly difficult to know which JS source to enable, especially since many modern websites are sometimes running ten or more separate JScripts. I'm not sure I know what you mean when you say opening many tabs makes it difficult to altogether disable JS. It's just a setting that is on or off, the number ofAug 12 07:37
schestowitztabs doesn't seem to have anything to do with it in my experience. One tab or ten, they're all going to have it on or off depending on what it's set to."Aug 12 07:37
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2942381Aug 12 07:37
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Russia among countries atop NSA surveillance priority list http://rt.com/news/nsa-priority-list-russia-351/ #russia is not #terrorism AFAIK. 9/11 pretext?Aug 12 07:37
schestowitz"Hard to know if it's leftover Cold War hysteria, 9/11 paranoia, or something else entirely. I suppose Russia would be host to a number of terrorist (read separatist, ethnic, and/or nationalist) causes. The American public knows this mostly because of the unfortunate incident at the Boston Marathon."Aug 12 07:37
TechrightsBot-tr-> rt.com | Russia among countries atop NSA surveillance priority list — RT News  [ http://ur1.ca/f0lyn ]Aug 12 07:37
schestowitzThey were not from Russia and they seem to have been motivated by other reasons.Aug 12 07:38
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2942410Aug 12 07:38
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The #NSA bases in the #UK make various regions in the north and south of England high-priority targets for nuclear strikes by Russia/China.Aug 12 07:38
schestowitz"that's some pretty fierce fear mongering. Neither #Russia nor #China is going to launch a nuclear strike on the #uk. Calm down."Aug 12 07:38
schestowitzThe point I was making is, if the US got into a war where nuclear exchange took place, those sites in the UK would be a prime target.Aug 12 07:39
DaemonFCI don't believe we will.Aug 12 07:52
DaemonFCThe entire point of a nuclear stockpile is to discourage other nuclear states from launching a first strike.Aug 12 07:53
DaemonFCWhy would you launch at a state that will retaliate with its own weapons?Aug 12 07:54
DaemonFCIt would be suicide.Aug 12 07:54
DaemonFCI do believe we have too many, but the number of nuclear weapons in our stockpile has been declining rapidly.Aug 12 07:54
DaemonFCI don't believe that we should need more than about 500.Aug 12 07:55
DaemonFCI don't think we should commit to eliminating them entirely, since there's no guarantee that other states will.Aug 12 07:55
DaemonFCIt's always going to have to be available as an option, and in a number that guarantees that an enemy first strike can't eliminate them all.Aug 12 07:56
DaemonFCThere's a lot of obvious reasons why you don't want more on hand than you'd conceivably need.Aug 12 07:57
DaemonFCThey're very expensive to maintain and they could be an accident waiting to happen.Aug 12 07:57
schestowitzWashington Post: "Does NSA transparency put national security at risk? Readers debate."Aug 12 08:15
schestowitzhttp://www.gizmodo.com.au/2013/08/the-nsa-is-reading-even-more-emails-and-text-messages-than-we-thought/Aug 12 08:17
TechrightsBot-trwww.gizmodo.com.au | The NSA Is Collecting Emails And Texts For Just Mentioning "Targets" | Gizmodo Australia  [ http://ur1.ca/f0mgu ]Aug 12 08:17
schestowitzhttp://www.ibtimes.com/former-nsa-director-gen-hayden-calls-edward-snowden-defector-gives-opinions-nsa-surveillance-programAug 12 08:20
TechrightsBot-trwww.ibtimes.com | Former NSA Director Gen. Hayden Calls Edward Snowden A 'Defector' And Gives Opinions On NSA Surveillance Program [VIDEO]  [ http://ur1.ca/f0mi0 ]Aug 12 08:20
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/366821817949757440Aug 12 08:24
TechrightsBot-tr@glynmoody: @schestowitz but isn't it US-based? means it has *no* protection from court orders to store data and hand it over...Aug 12 08:24
DaemonFChttp://credit.about.com/b/2012/10/28/watch-out-for-unauthorized-charges-from-itunes.htmAug 12 08:26
TechrightsBot-trcredit.about.com | Watch Out for Unauthorized Charges From iTunes  [ http://ur1.ca/f0mkf ]Aug 12 08:26
schestowitzTrue enough, whois shows Registrant State: Florida, Registrant Postal Code: 34446. Same prob as DDG (hosted in Amazon|CIA cloud)Aug 12 08:26
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/366823350619738112Aug 12 08:32
TechrightsBot-tr@glynmoody: @schestowitz I use https://t.co/VoDZfdZTwj - based in EU, so not subject to same probs (still probs, of course....)Aug 12 08:32
TechrightsBot-tr-> startpage.com | Startpage Web SearchAug 12 08:32
schestowitzI use that too, have been for years... Google a fallback (lots of error message searching)Aug 12 08:32
DaemonFCIf they have any servers in the United States, you could still have a problem.Aug 12 08:33
DaemonFCAlso, many countries spy on these services on behalf of the United States.Aug 12 08:33
DaemonFCThe machines they use as servers could run software or hardware that has been backdoored.Aug 12 08:34
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iophkold - http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-05-10-nsa_x.htmAug 12 09:00
TechrightsBot-trusatoday30.usatoday.com | USATODAY.com - NSA has massive database of Americans' phone calls  [ http://ur1.ca/f0myh ]Aug 12 09:00
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2942381Aug 12 09:00
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Russia among countries atop NSA surveillance priority list http://rt.com/news/nsa-priority-list-russia-351/ #russia is not #terrorism AFAIK. 9/11 pretext?Aug 12 09:00
TechrightsBot-tr-> rt.com | Russia among countries atop NSA surveillance priority list — RT News  [ http://ur1.ca/f0lyn ]Aug 12 09:00
schestowitz"I didn't mean to imply they were from Russia, only that US Intelligence would be ostensibly interested in eavesdropping on Russia as Chechen separatists and other groups operate primarily in within Russia. I do think you're right though, there are other motivations at play, not just the resurgence of nationalist and ethnic movements in and around Russian territory. In all likelihood the real motivation probably comes down to $$$"Aug 12 09:00
iophk"Qwest's refusal to participate has left the NSA with a hole in its database."Aug 12 09:00
schestowitz"genius."Aug 12 09:01
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2943359Aug 12 09:01
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: Redneck Mousetrap ![http://9gag.com/gag/a8WMO5V](http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/a8WMO5V_460sa_v1.gif) #fun #gif #mouseAug 12 09:01
TechrightsBot-tr-> 9gag.com | 9GAG - Redneck MousetrapAug 12 09:01
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2943373Aug 12 09:01
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: more accurate...Aug 12 09:01
schestowitz"I don't know if it's more accurate, but it is intolerant and disrespectful."Aug 12 09:01
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iophk"All the security of Windows, with the availability of Office 365."Aug 12 09:06
MinceRlolAug 12 09:06
iophk'cloud' computing is like a weak, insecure remake of the mainframe eraAug 12 09:07
MinceRgeekingsAug 12 09:08
schestowitzLOLAug 12 09:08
iophkhttp://harpers.org/blog/2007/10/qwest-another-political-prosecution/Aug 12 09:12
TechrightsBot-trharpers.org | Qwest: Another Political Prosecution?  | Harper's Magazine  [ http://ur1.ca/f0n4b ]Aug 12 09:12
iophk"Nacchio was the only major telecom executive who refused to play ball with the administration on warrantless surveillance."Aug 12 09:12
iophka little oldAug 12 09:12
JimmyCarteralso https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641AAug 12 09:16
TechrightsBot-tren.wikipedia.org | Room 641A - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaAug 12 09:16
JimmyCarterwe've known about the NSA tapping the internet since at least 2006Aug 12 09:17
JimmyCarterbut noone cared until leaked power point slides releasedAug 12 09:17
iophkjimmycarter: http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?type=TA&reference=P5-TA-2001-0441&format=XML&language=ENAug 12 09:25
TechrightsBot-trwww.europarl.europa.eu | Texts adopted - Wednesday, 5 September 2001 - ECHELON  [ http://ur1.ca/ef2e4 ]Aug 12 09:25
iophkIt's been known since 2000Aug 12 09:25
iophkOnly one Chromebook reviewed againsta slew of Vista8 units:Aug 12 10:16
iophkhttp://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2389390,00.aspAug 12 10:16
TechrightsBot-trwww.pcmag.com | The Best Laptops for College Students | PCMag.com  [ http://ur1.ca/f0nxa ]Aug 12 10:16
iophkMaybe the attempt is to make it look like an unusual choice or something out of the mainstreamAug 12 10:17
JimmyCarterjust contacted my representative feinstein ;)Aug 12 10:17
JimmyCarterYour amendment to the Media Shield Law to limit protection to "salaried agent"s is the most transparently anti-populist attack on free speech imaginable.Aug 12 10:17
JimmyCarterClearly you have dispensed with any pretense of representing the majority of your constituents.Aug 12 10:17
JimmyCarterYour "real journalists" are nothing but propaganda ministers of the aristocracy you represent.Aug 12 10:17
JimmyCarterBloggers and Wikileaks are the only journalists the American people have left.Aug 12 10:17
JimmyCarterGoddamn you!  You are persecuting the very people you should be protecting!Aug 12 10:17
JimmyCarterI know you will ignore my message, but you will NOT ignore my impact in 2018.Aug 12 10:17
JimmyCarterI will devote my life to removing you from office.Aug 12 10:17
iophkhttp://www.itwire.com/your-it-news/mobility/61093-us-bans-older-samsung-importsAug 12 10:23
TechrightsBot-trwww.itwire.com | US bans older Samsung imports  [ http://ur1.ca/f0nza ]Aug 12 10:23
DaemonFCI done goofed.Aug 12 10:31
DaemonFCI headed to Walmart for an ad match on cat food from an ad that came in this morning's paper, and the sale doesn't start until Thursday.Aug 12 10:32
DaemonFC:PAug 12 10:32
DaemonFCOh well, I'll be back there on Thursday.Aug 12 10:32
DaemonFCWasn't a total loss though. Stocked up on a bunch of other stuff.Aug 12 10:33
iophkhttp://www.zdnet.com/canonical-will-win-even-if-ubuntu-edge-doesnt-make-its-32-million-7000019241/Aug 12 10:48
TechrightsBot-trwww.zdnet.com | Canonical will win even if Ubuntu Edge doesn't make its $32 million | ZDNet  [ http://ur1.ca/f0o9m ]Aug 12 10:48
DaemonFCMinceR, I got a complete 10 season set of Stargate SG-1 on DVD.Aug 12 11:14
DaemonFC:)Aug 12 11:14
*DaemonFC picked up a bunch of popcorn while he was out at the store.Aug 12 11:14
schestowitzhttps://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/2943377Aug 12 11:15
TechrightsBot-trwww.joindiaspora.com | Reshare by Free2bme Τυφώς  [ http://ur1.ca/f0ojk ]Aug 12 11:15
schestowitz"Heh, and I wrote War on Fun almost 2 years ago... I'll have to revise it, I guess: http://rys.io/en/41"Aug 12 11:15
TechrightsBot-trrys.io | War on Fun :: RysioBragAug 12 11:15
schestowitzJimmyCarter: well saidAug 12 11:17
*DaemonFC used to amuse himself at Walmart at night by picking up the intercom and speaking Goa'uld.Aug 12 11:18
DaemonFC:PAug 12 11:18
iophkFor full effect you  will need a similar follow-up letter in 2018 or whenever the 2018 election is prepped.Aug 12 11:18
schestowitzJimmyCarter: "real journalists", to them, are those who get a salaryAug 12 11:19
schestowitzsince writing truth has no business model, it is clear that those who get paid work for corporate press, led and run by plutocrats and companies bankrolled by banksAug 12 11:20
iophkThere are relatively few salaried journalists any more.  Very few towns have their own news papers, or the number of newspapers they once had.  The ones that are left have a skeletal staff and rely increasingly on "volunteer" labor to get articles and columns written.Aug 12 11:21
koolhead11schestowitz, hey thereAug 12 11:30
schestowitzhttp://centralny.ynn.com/content/top_stories/679540/legal-eagle--nsa-s-controversial-surveillance-programs/?ap=1&MP4Aug 12 11:43
TechrightsBot-trcentralny.ynn.com | Legal Eagle: NSA's controversial surveillance programs - News 10 Now  [ http://ur1.ca/f0oxv ]Aug 12 11:44
schestowitzkoolhead11: hoAug 12 11:44
schestowitzhiAug 12 11:44
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koolhead11schestowitz, how is married life coming along manAug 12 11:46
schestowitzLOLAug 12 11:48
schestowitzhttp://www.recorder.com/home/7986838-95/blagg-intelligence-gatheringAug 12 11:48
TechrightsBot-trwww.recorder.com | Blagg: Intelligence gathering | The Recorder  [ http://ur1.ca/f0p0l ]Aug 12 11:48
schestowitzUsing Nazis to justify spying, tooAug 12 11:48
iophkThe article also uses Beirut, which was intentionally allowed to happen.Aug 12 11:53
schestowitzWhat an ugly framing http://www.businessinsider.com/snowden-assange-wikileaks-and-russia-2013-8Aug 12 12:01
TechrightsBot-trwww.businessinsider.com | Snowden, Assange, WikiLeaks, and Russia - Business Insider  [ http://ur1.ca/f0p69 ]Aug 12 12:01
schestowitzsee the photoAug 12 12:01
schestowitzthey try to Russia-wash AsangeAug 12 12:01
schestowitzand now SnowdenAug 12 12:01
schestowitzbecause that's the only country willing to defend themAug 12 12:02
schestowitziophk: true, Beirut had the US complicit, AFAIKAug 12 12:02
schestowitzLike SyriaAug 12 12:02
iophkThere were also warnings they ignored and they disarmed the guards and left a clear line with no barriers from the gate to the barracks.Aug 12 12:03
iophkThe warnings they ignored were the method and approximate date.Aug 12 12:03
iophkThe officer(s) in charge basically made it happen.Aug 12 12:04
iophkRoadblocks and guards that were armed probably could have made them choose a different target or give up.Aug 12 12:04
iophkAnyway the BI article is locked up in gratuitous javascript.Aug 12 12:06
iophkNo privacy there.Aug 12 12:06
schestowitzhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_holidayAug 12 12:08
TechrightsBot-tren.wikipedia.org | Bank holiday - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  [ http://ur1.ca/f0p9u ]Aug 12 12:08
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2943373Aug 12 12:12
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: more accurate...Aug 12 12:12
schestowitz"nearly bought it yesterday on the fleemarket"Aug 12 12:13
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/CDSRV/status/366891902626316288Aug 12 13:03
TechrightsBot-tr@CDSRV: @schestowitz : how much spyware does it come with??Aug 12 13:03
schestowitzNo ideaAug 12 13:03
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2944319Aug 12 14:35
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: 2008: Damon Condemns PalinAug 12 14:35
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.youtube.com | Damon Condemns Palin - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/f0rjj ]Aug 12 14:35
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.youtube.com | Why Shouldn't I Work for the NSA?  (Good Will Hunting) - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/f0rjk ]Aug 12 14:35
schestowitz"Hahahaha great. Better let her wave to some polar bears!"Aug 12 14:35
schestowitzThey won't wave back. Their communication skills are vastly better.Aug 12 14:35
schestowitzThey don't need to write crib notes on their hands.Aug 12 14:36
schestowitzhttps://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/2944105Aug 12 14:43
TechrightsBot-trwww.joindiaspora.com | ## Ubuntu Edge Po...  [ http://ur1.ca/f0ruz ]Aug 12 14:43
schestowitz"i think there are good reasons not to support ubuntu, until they return to the GNU realm"Aug 12 14:43
schestowitzThis does not mean we should be actively negative towards Ubuntu, only that we should spend more time promoting freedom-prioritising companiesAug 12 14:44
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2944006Aug 12 14:58
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Open source has won, let's look to the future http://opensource.com/life/13/8/open-source-won #freedom #sharingAug 12 14:58
TechrightsBot-tr-> opensource.com | Expanding on my keynote at OSCON 2013 | opensource.com  [ http://ur1.ca/f0s55 ]Aug 12 14:58
schestowitz"i'm afraid thats a little to optimistic; lots of people i meet have the feeling opensource was something for enthusiasts only..."Aug 12 14:58
schestowitzBut they're still unknowingly using it a lotAug 12 14:58
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2944366Aug 12 15:22
TechrightsBot-tr@linux@joindiaspora.com: Had canonical decided to set the Edge funding goal at $10 million, haters would still "gonna hate" and find some other ways to FUD it.Aug 12 15:22
schestowitz"No need to FUD, Canonical is doing it wrong for two years now... Splitting the Linux community will NEVER be a good solution."Aug 12 15:22
MinceRa lot more than two yearsAug 12 15:26
schestowitzLOL http://consumerist.com/2013/08/08/man-busted-for-stealing-church-computer-after-insistent-searches-for-porn/Aug 12 15:28
TechrightsBot-trconsumerist.com | Man Busted For Stealing Church Computer After Insistent Searches For Porn – Consumerist  [ http://ur1.ca/f0srd ]Aug 12 15:28
schestowitzhe could get child porn by returning to the churchAug 12 15:29
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2944447Aug 12 16:02
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: [RT] #UEFI Sucks, Suggests a Growing ConsensusAug 12 16:02
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | UEFI Sucks, Suggests a Growing Consensus | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/f0dhz ]Aug 12 16:02
schestowitz"just thought the same this morning and then i realized the machine in charge has a bios :D"Aug 12 16:02
iophk"that being willing to negotiate is sufficient to meet a FRAND obligation"Aug 12 16:15
DaemonFCI just got a phone call from a scammer.Aug 12 16:30
DaemonFC"This is your credit card company calling to offer you a lower interest rate. For verification purposes, can you please tell us your card number?"Aug 12 16:30
DaemonFCSo I said "What company are you with?"Aug 12 16:30
DaemonFCShe was like "Your credit card company."Aug 12 16:31
DaemonFCI said "You told me that. Now I'm asking you what company that is."Aug 12 16:31
DaemonFCShe hung up.Aug 12 16:31
DaemonFCIf they call 100 people and two or three give them their credit card number, that's good enough for them.Aug 12 16:32
DaemonFCIt's like spam.Aug 12 16:32
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iophkhttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2288180/microsoft-brings-back-hoary-antigoogle-scroogled-campaignAug 12 17:20
TechrightsBot-trwww.theinquirer.net | Microsoft brings back hoary anti-Google Scroogled campaign- The Inquirer  [ http://ur1.ca/f0v9b ]Aug 12 17:20
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2923710Aug 12 18:31
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "The option to disable #JavaScript is gone from #Firefox 23" (just confirmed in #techrights IRC) #mozilla , you suck on this one!Aug 12 18:31
schestowitz"And the same goes for enabling all javascript, it will enable it where it should not be enabled."Aug 12 18:31
iophkjs is problem with 23.  NoScript is now necessary.Aug 12 18:32
DaemonFCWhy does every sci-fi series have an episode where they splice together flashbacks from all the other episodes?Aug 12 18:34
DaemonFCIs it a budget control thing?Aug 12 18:34
schestowitz"I mean that if you have many tabs open and disable all javascript it will disable it from pages where you need it too."Aug 12 18:35
DaemonFCJavascript is one of the worst things to happen to the web.Aug 12 18:35
sebsebsebDaemonFC is one of the worst tings to happen on the Internet!Aug 12 19:03
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schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2944242Aug 12 22:19
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Imprisoned #CIA Whistleblower Kiriakou: Totality of Punishment Is Not Limited to a Prison Sentence http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2013/08/07/imprisoned-cia-whistleblower-john-kiriakou-totality-of-punishment-is-not-limited-to-a-prison-sentence/ "fourth letter"Aug 12 22:19
TechrightsBot-tr-> dissenter.firedoglake.com | Imprisoned CIA Whistleblower John Kiriakou: Totality of Punishment Is Not Limited to a Prison Sentence  |  The Dissenter  [ http://ur1.ca/f11a5 ]Aug 12 22:19
schestowitz"Many of these punishments occur before conviction and even before charges have been filed. People on the "no fly" and other punishment lists are unable to get loans or jobs."Aug 12 22:19
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