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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/368786723649490944 | Aug 18 00:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Success: Samsung’s #GPL Violation and Subsequent Leak Officially Mean #xFAT Driver is Being Made Free Software http://t.co/I3vYmnYkLp | Aug 18 00:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Success: Samsung’s GPL Violation and Subsequent Leak Officially Mean exFAT Driver is Being Made Free Software | Techrights | Aug 18 00:56 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/368878856205135872 | Aug 18 00:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Reminder of Patent Lawsuits From Proxy Entities http://t.co/Gwuti0tOkK #swpats | Aug 18 00:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Reminder of Patent Lawsuits From Proxy Entities | Techrights | Aug 18 00:57 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/368884440522424320 | Aug 18 00:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Microsoft’s Emerging Attacks on Google: Bogus DMCA Notices, Fabricated Quotes, Bogus & Baseless Antitrust Complaints http://t.co/jf6OzRLgAJ | Aug 18 00:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Microsoft’s Emerging Attacks on Google: Bogus DMCA Notices, Fabricated Quotes, Bogus and Baseless Antitrust Complaints | Techrights | Aug 18 00:58 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/laurelrusswurm/status/368735635856584706 | Aug 18 00:58 |
| schestowitz | That;s simply untrue | Aug 18 00:58 |
| schestowitz | I RTs/re-shared something about privacy the other say, but 99%n of what I say is positive | Aug 18 00:59 |
| JimmyCarter | has anyone eved sued for GPL violations? | Aug 18 01:05 |
| JimmyCarter | would you have to show damages? how would that work | Aug 18 01:05 |
| qu1j0t3 | yes, many times | Aug 18 01:07 |
| qu1j0t3 | google Harald Weite | Aug 18 01:07 |
| qu1j0t3 | and usually wins, afaik | Aug 18 01:07 |
| qu1j0t3 | JimmyCarter: http://gpl-violations.org/ , http://gnumonks.org/~laforge/weblog/linux/gpl-violations/ oops Welte | Aug 18 01:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | gpl-violations.org | GPL Violations homepage - The gpl-violations.org project | Aug 18 01:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | gnumonks.org | Harald Welte's blog [ http://ur1.ca/f3bqu ] | Aug 18 01:08 |
| JimmyCarter | nice yeah im checking that | Aug 18 01:09 |
| JimmyCarter | i dont see any $s awarded though | Aug 18 01:09 |
| JimmyCarter | i see temporary injunction against further distribution of offending product | Aug 18 01:09 |
| JimmyCarter | By June 2006, the project has hit the magic "100 cases finished" mark, at an exciting equal "100% legal success" mark. Every GPL infringement that we started to enforce was resolved in a legal success, either in-court or out of court. | Aug 18 01:10 |
| qu1j0t3 | i don't know if damages is really possible, but IANAL | Aug 18 01:10 |
| JimmyCarter | http://gpl-violations.org/faq/legal-faq.html | Aug 18 01:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | gpl-violations.org | GPL Violations homepage - GPL Violations Legal FAQ [ http://ur1.ca/f3brq ] | Aug 18 01:11 |
| JimmyCarter | well if the offending companies dont have to pay money its not that strong of enforcement | Aug 18 01:12 |
| JimmyCarter | nonetheless the injuctions and public shaming is lot better than nothing | Aug 18 01:12 |
| amarsh04 | they have usually been required to demonstrate GPL compliance on an ongoing basis also | Aug 18 02:57 |
| amarsh04 | brb, loading new kernel | Aug 18 02:57 |
| amarsh04 | actually, no... still building a kernel that I want to load | Aug 18 02:58 |
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| JimmyCarter | hm anyone know bankruptcy lawyer? | Aug 18 08:02 |
| JimmyCarter | i want to explore scenario where we dont bail banks out in financial crisis | Aug 18 08:02 |
| amarsh04 | now restarting for a new kernel | Aug 18 08:06 |
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| *DaemonFC remembers why he got rid of cable.... | Aug 18 09:00 | |
| DaemonFC | They either cancel or end up ruining all my favorite shows. | Aug 18 09:01 |
| DaemonFC | It's easier and cheaper to just get the DVD set after they've done that. | Aug 18 09:01 |
| schestowitz | JimmyCarter: so you need to hire someone when you go broke? | Aug 18 09:38 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/axiomfinity/status/368939494176604160 | Aug 18 09:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @axiomfinity: @JorgeStolfi @schestowitz I doubt it | Aug 18 09:38 |
| iophk | http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=GeoCities | Aug 18 09:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.archiveteam.org | GeoCities - Archiveteam [ http://ur1.ca/f3hb1 ] | Aug 18 09:45 |
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| JimmyCarter | the FDIC is insuring 10 tril in deposits with 50 bil in assets and a law saying it can borrow 500 bil from treasury | Aug 18 10:55 |
| JimmyCarter | so if the big banks fails the big question is what happens to peoples deposits | Aug 18 10:56 |
| JimmyCarter | i think under bankruptcy law citizen's deposits should be treated equally to other creditors such as derivative contracts with other banks | Aug 18 10:56 |
| JimmyCarter | so how much money everyone loses will somewhat come down to bankruptcy proceedings | Aug 18 10:57 |
| JimmyCarter | how much of the banks assets go to main st versus wall st and whether FDIC can make up difference | Aug 18 10:58 |
| JimmyCarter | probably good chance of equitable outcome | Aug 18 11:01 |
| JimmyCarter | people will be hella pissed | Aug 18 11:02 |
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| DaemonFC | JimmyCarter, The recent regulations mean that all you're actually guaranteed is to be a forced investor in the bank that is failing. | Aug 18 11:32 |
| DaemonFC | You could end up holding bank shares that are worth pennies on the dollar. | Aug 18 11:32 |
| DaemonFC | It's better to not leave any more money in the bank than you absolutely have to. | Aug 18 11:33 |
| DaemonFC | JimmyCarter, The funny part is that while private investors lost a lot of money in bank operations during the crash, the shares that the government bought in the bailout are now mostly worth more than it paid for them. | Aug 18 11:34 |
| DaemonFC | Also, there are the dividends that get paid out. | Aug 18 11:34 |
| DaemonFC | The GMAC mess actually made the government a $1.5 billion profit in share value and about $4.5 billion in dividends on those shares that were paid to the Treasury. | Aug 18 11:35 |
| DaemonFC | Of course, on the scale of the US federal government, that's not a lot of money. | Aug 18 11:35 |
| DaemonFC | They spend that much in a matter of a couple of minutes. :) | Aug 18 11:35 |
| DaemonFC | The federal government is used to getting away with spending a lot more than it takes in because favorable conditions and the ability to endlessly inflate money has permitted it so far. | Aug 18 11:36 |
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| DaemonFC | There's no guarantee that interest rates will stay low, and there's no guarantee that purchasers of government debt will always see it as the best option for investment. | Aug 18 11:38 |
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| DaemonFC | If it becomes so out of control that it becomes a bad investment that loses a lot of its value, then people could simply stop buying it up, making tax increases mandatory. | Aug 18 11:38 |
| DaemonFC | People have an aversion to direct taxation, but stealing the value of money they already possess seems to be less noticeable. | Aug 18 11:39 |
| DaemonFC | People bitch because "those greedy companies" are raising their prices, but they don't understand that this is part of what funds the banking system and the government. | Aug 18 11:39 |
| DaemonFC | The idea that inflation is needed to compel people to spend is just pure bullshit. | Aug 18 11:41 |
| DaemonFC | People are going to spend money no matter what happens, as long as they have money, wants, and needs. | Aug 18 11:41 |
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| JimmyCarter | the bailout is misnomer because it was more like bridge loans | Aug 18 12:02 |
| JimmyCarter | part of QE is the real bailout, evidence by the trillions in mortgage backed securities now on the fed's balance sheet | Aug 18 12:03 |
| JimmyCarter | inflation only affects savings in currency, if you live paycheck to paycheck doesnt matter. but when it comes to savings i think theres something to argument that it encourages capital to be productive | Aug 18 12:05 |
| DaemonFC | QE isn't making the toxic debt disappear, it's just moving it somewhere else. | Aug 18 12:07 |
| DaemonFC | The Fed's balance sheet is just a temporary storage device. | Aug 18 12:07 |
| DaemonFC | Eventually, they'll repackage all of it and try to find more people who are stupid enough to buy it. | Aug 18 12:08 |
| DaemonFC | Of course they will. | Aug 18 12:08 |
| DaemonFC | If human nature was changing, then there's be no reason for the same scams to work over and over again, even when people were warned or had good reason to be suspicious. | Aug 18 12:09 |
| DaemonFC | Ten years from now, they'll have no problem unloading all of it. | Aug 18 12:09 |
| JimmyCarter | well my point is they bought the MBS from banks for way more than market value, ie free checks | Aug 18 12:09 |
| JimmyCarter | thats the actual bailout | Aug 18 12:09 |
| DaemonFC | Well, the better way to stop it would have been to declare all of the debt void and allow anyone invested in it to lose everything. | Aug 18 12:10 |
| DaemonFC | The problem really is that it ended up everywhere. | Aug 18 12:11 |
| DaemonFC | In retirement plans and pension funds, among other places. | Aug 18 12:11 |
| schestowitz | Nightmare... http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/how-to/intro/0,,20076102,00.html | Aug 18 12:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.thisoldhouse.com | How to Install a Dishwasher | This Old House [ http://ur1.ca/f3ip7 ] | Aug 18 12:12 |
| schestowitz | Bailing out on the idea... pipes mess | Aug 18 12:12 |
| DaemonFC | I've never had a dishwasher. | Aug 18 12:13 |
| JimmyCarter | i have one but as far as i can tell its crap | Aug 18 12:14 |
| DaemonFC | It's just not a huge amount of effort to wash dishes by hand when you're single. | Aug 18 12:14 |
| JimmyCarter | maybe im not doing it right | Aug 18 12:14 |
| DaemonFC | No real reason to have one. | Aug 18 12:14 |
| DaemonFC | I did recently buy dozens of bottles of dish soap, among other consumables... | Aug 18 12:15 |
| DaemonFC | The grocery store had one of their loss leader sales, and they still double coupons up to 25 cents. | Aug 18 12:15 |
| DaemonFC | So I was buying big bottles of Dawn for less than $1 each. :) | Aug 18 12:15 |
| DaemonFC | I buy massive amounts of things like that when I can get it cheaply. | Aug 18 12:16 |
| JimmyCarter | the fed owns 30% of bonds outstanding for multiple categoris of treasury bonds | Aug 18 12:17 |
| JimmyCarter | and its increasing at 1% a month | Aug 18 12:17 |
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| iophk | Oracle knuckling under to its competition http://www.cio.com/article/738171/Who_Are_the_Real_Winners_in_the_Microsoft_Oracle_Deal_? | Aug 18 15:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.cio.com | Who Are the Real Winners in the Microsoft-Oracle Deal? - CIO.com [ http://ur1.ca/f3l0w ] | Aug 18 15:44 |
| iophk | http://www.dailydot.com/politics/foia-request-nsa-prism-metadata-kevin-collier/ | Aug 18 15:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.dailydot.com | The Daily Dot - I asked the NSA for its file on me, and here's what I got back [ http://ur1.ca/f3l1p ] | Aug 18 15:46 |
| iophk | old - http://www.ibtimes.com/streetcar-shooting-toronto-police-officer-suspended-video-capturing-death-18-year-old-sammy-yatim | Aug 18 16:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.ibtimes.com | Streetcar Shooting: Toronto Police Officer Suspended, Video Capturing Death Of 18-Year-Old Sammy Yatim Goes Viral [VIDEO] [ http://ur1.ca/f3lb3 ] | Aug 18 16:07 |
| qu1j0t3 | old, but still a fucking unforgiveable use of excessive force | Aug 18 16:20 |
| iophk | The video is pretty clear cut about that, though it's not necessarily recommendable to watch it. | Aug 18 16:21 |
| iophk | I am surprised that the epidemic of that behavior has spread even to Canada. | Aug 18 16:22 |
| qu1j0t3 | Canada has a long-standing police problem | Aug 18 16:49 |
| qu1j0t3 | not just the Toronto police -- the RCMP is batshit as well | Aug 18 16:49 |
| qu1j0t3 | there is actually a string of police shootings in TO, this is only the latest | Aug 18 16:49 |
| qu1j0t3 | the G20 was in 2010 ... pretty much every police misbehaviour was documented there, it was a miracle nobody was killed | Aug 18 16:50 |
| qu1j0t3 | it was a show of force to intimidate and dissuade people from protesting G20 agendas | Aug 18 16:51 |
| qu1j0t3 | many assaulted, mistreated in detention | Aug 18 16:51 |
| iophk | add to that the problem that the news did not cover the reasons for the protests | Aug 18 16:51 |
| qu1j0t3 | horse charges of sitting protesters ... not the sort of thing one expects to see on TO streets | Aug 18 16:51 |
| qu1j0t3 | right. only one paper in TO kept to the issue, and brought some accountability to the cops | Aug 18 16:51 |
| qu1j0t3 | the statements made by the right wing freakshow that runs Canada were absolutely disgusting | Aug 18 16:52 |
| iophk | http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2013/08/12/130812fa_fact_stillman | Aug 18 17:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.newyorker.com | Sarah Stillman: The Use and Abuse of Civil Forfeiture : The New Yorker [ http://ur1.ca/f3m0k ] | Aug 18 17:04 |
| iophk | another example of the abuse of 'plea' deals | Aug 18 17:06 |
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| g4mbit | !seen patr|ck | Aug 18 17:43 |
| g4mbit | hmm | Aug 18 17:43 |
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| schestowitz | h | Aug 18 17:52 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: BT aren't so bad now it seems | Aug 18 17:59 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: giving Sky Sports proper competition :) | Aug 18 17:59 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/laurelrusswurm/status/369142326725066752 | Aug 18 18:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @laurelrusswurm: @schestowitz But @expatpaul didn't say you did it constantly, Roy, he was commenting on the irony | Aug 18 18:04 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: sports are cool, to participate in.. | Aug 18 18:04 |
| schestowitz | Sky Sports is a couch sport | Aug 18 18:04 |
| schestowitz | BT is also trying to appeal to the masses | Aug 18 18:05 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: a couch sport? | Aug 18 18:05 |
| sebsebseb | you mean sitting down and watching sport | Aug 18 18:05 |
| sebsebseb | rather than doing it? | Aug 18 18:05 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/laurelrusswurm | Aug 18 18:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | twitter.com | Laurel L. Russwurm (laurelrusswurm) on Twitter | Aug 18 18:05 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: the intresitng this is they refuse to sell BT Sports and ESPN which they now own to | Aug 18 18:05 |
| sebsebseb | to Sky | Aug 18 18:05 |
| sebsebseb | as wholesale channels | Aug 18 18:05 |
| schestowitz | someone else pointed out a privacy flaw, I shared some image that spoke of it by hitting "share" | Aug 18 18:05 |
| sebsebseb | so Sky customers ha\ve to get a seperate BT subscription for it | Aug 18 18:06 |
| sebsebseb | at the moment | Aug 18 18:06 |
| sebsebseb | given away free to BT broadband customers, and Virgin Media made a deal for millions or whatever | Aug 18 18:06 |
| sebsebseb | for three years so that's good :) got it | Aug 18 18:06 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: they spent like a billion on content already for those channels | Aug 18 18:06 |
| sebsebseb | they seem good for sports channels | Aug 18 18:06 |
| sebsebseb | a lot of Live stuff at the moment | Aug 18 18:06 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Sky needs proper competition | Aug 18 18:07 |
| sebsebseb | come on BT | Aug 18 18:07 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: whole idea is to try and get BT broadband sold more as well with these channels | Aug 18 18:07 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I guess Virgin isn't much of a threat, that's cabled, BT is phone line | Aug 18 18:08 |
| sebsebseb | and they needed Virgin to get more viewers realy, Sky is the big competiiton | Aug 18 18:08 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/jahkarta/status/369145828390100992 | Aug 18 18:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @jahkarta: civil forfeiture (cops seize property instead of prosecuting) helps fuel #drugwar corruption http://t.co/RKD2g7B9u0 via @schestowitz | Aug 18 18:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.newyorker.com | Sarah Stillman: The Use and Abuse of Civil Forfeiture : The New Yorker | Aug 18 18:19 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/laurelrusswurm/status/369149239374258177 | Aug 18 18:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @laurelrusswurm: @schestowitz Pointing out a !privacy flaw is a public service. | Aug 18 18:32 |
| schestowitz | basically, now that we know of PRISM and Amazon is signing agreements with the CIA some worry about CDN hosting | Aug 18 18:33 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/laurelrusswurm/status/369152114984906752 | Aug 18 18:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @laurelrusswurm: @schestowitz I have no doubt Canadian hosting is insecure. Our government is just as bad as theirs... Encryption, encryption, encryption | Aug 18 18:45 |
| schestowitz | https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/2963259 | Aug 18 19:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.joindiaspora.com | DuckDuckGo, the p... [ http://ur1.ca/f3o1x ] | Aug 18 19:24 |
| schestowitz | "source?" | Aug 18 19:24 |
| schestowitz | http://fcw.com/articles/2013/03/18/amazon-cia-cloud.aspx | Aug 18 19:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fcw.com | Amazon and CIA ink cloud deal -- FCW [ http://ur1.ca/f3o26 ] | Aug 18 19:25 |
| schestowitz | http://actualidad.rt.com/actualidad/view/98075-chomsky-obama-operacion-terrorista | Aug 18 19:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | actualidad.rt.com | Noam Chomsky: "Obama está ejecutando la mayor operación terrorista de la historia" – RT [ http://ur1.ca/eems0 ] | Aug 18 19:27 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_3c0af9fb8da7ee38abd0.jpg | Aug 18 19:27 |
| schestowitz | http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323977304579002793571156348.html | Aug 18 19:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | online.wsj.com | ITC Orders Import Ban on Some Samsung Devices - WSJ.com [ http://ur1.ca/f3o6c ] | Aug 18 19:34 |
| schestowitz | With Obama's help | Aug 18 19:34 |
| schestowitz | http://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-silicon-valley-news-business-bezos-20130807,0,7642144.story | Aug 18 19:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.latimes.com | Bezos' Washington Post deal comes as tech focuses on news business - latimes.com [ http://ur1.ca/f3o8r ] | Aug 18 19:40 |
| schestowitz | "PJ: I don't think that is enough. There has to be a way to replace the money from ads, particularly classified ads, which used to be the bread and butter that funded news in print. News can't be self-sustaining, because people won't pay for it, particularly not for in-depth reporting on stories they need to know but don't find irresistable. And that's where Bezos can work some magic, I think." | Aug 18 19:40 |
| schestowitz | http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/07/30/the-free-web-program-that-got-bradley-manning-convicted-of-computer-fraud/ | Aug 18 19:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.washingtonpost.com | The free Web program that got Bradley Manning convicted of computer fraud [ http://ur1.ca/f05vb ] | Aug 18 19:46 |
| schestowitz | "This doesn’t mean he used wget to hack into the system – Manning already had access to the files. It means that he used this tool to download the files more efficiently. Illegally taking and distributing the files are covered under separate charges." | Aug 18 19:46 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/JPBarlow/status/365708912005095425 | Aug 18 19:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @JPBarlow: @cben @_cypherpunks_ 3m @joncallas I regret my first reaction to Silent Circle shutting down. It's not self-censorship. It's common sense. | Aug 18 19:49 |
| schestowitz | http://www.softwarefreedom.org/events/2012/freedom-to-connect_moglen-keynote-2012.html | Aug 18 19:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.softwarefreedom.org | Innovation under Austerity - Transcript - Software Freedom Law Center [ http://ur1.ca/f3oh8 ] | Aug 18 19:54 |
| iophk | http://mrpogson.com/2013/08/18/microsoft-continues-its-anti-competitive-behaviour/ | Aug 18 19:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | mrpogson.com | Microsoft Continues Its Anti-competitive Behaviour | Robert Pogson [ http://ur1.ca/f3oiq ] | Aug 18 19:57 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/369150532520144897 | Aug 18 19:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: DuckDuckGo, the pseudo-pro-privacy search, is now sharing server space or patrons with CIA. Things change after PRISM and Amazon/CIA deal. | Aug 18 19:57 |
| schestowitz | > http://fcw.com/articles/2013/03/18/amazon-cia-cloud.aspx | Aug 18 19:58 |
| schestowitz | https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/2963373 | Aug 18 20:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.joindiaspora.com | IBM profiling cit... [ http://ur1.ca/f3omm ] | Aug 18 20:04 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/EllieAsksWhy/status/369172024876204032 | Aug 18 20:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @EllieAsksWhy: @schestowitz Initial concern was the negative impact on US-domiciled PaaS cloud providers. It is broadly applicable, as you confirmed. | Aug 18 20:05 |
| schestowitz | iophk: thanks, added | Aug 18 20:05 |
| schestowitz | daily links, as I covered it twice before | Aug 18 20:05 |
| schestowitz | The war on Google took priority again | Aug 18 20:05 |
| schestowitz | Not sure why now | Aug 18 20:05 |
| schestowitz | The old YouTube app saga | Aug 18 20:06 |
| schestowitz | resurrected by the boosters | Aug 18 20:06 |
| iophk | and spun by boosters | Aug 18 20:06 |
| schestowitz | And then the Google Gmail privacy hypocrisy, antitrust.. | Aug 18 20:06 |
| iophk | M$ is in the wrong but is being painted as the injured party. | Aug 18 20:06 |
| schestowitz | yes, but why now? | Aug 18 20:06 |
| schestowitz | Like someone started Scroogled again and then cooredinated for more around it | Aug 18 20:06 |
| iophk | Something they want a distraction from. | Aug 18 20:06 |
| schestowitz | maybe to distract from MS-NSA bed affair? | Aug 18 20:07 |
| iophk | Why does DDG get all the coverage and no mention of startpage | Aug 18 20:07 |
| iophk | DDG is in the US so its cooperation with the US agencies was only a matter of time. | Aug 18 20:08 |
| schestowitz | Amazon-hosted | Aug 18 20:08 |
| schestowitz | CIA gets access | Aug 18 20:08 |
| schestowitz | NSA I mean | Aug 18 20:08 |
| iophk | Yes. Prior to PRISM Amazon hosting looked like a good idea. | Aug 18 20:08 |
| schestowitz | later articles mentioned startpage as well | Aug 18 20:08 |
| schestowitz | they caught up a bit | Aug 18 20:08 |
| iophk | I'm kind of surprised that there is nothing in the Euro zone that provides that kind of hosting. | Aug 18 20:09 |
| schestowitz | There is.. | Aug 18 20:09 |
| schestowitz | but maybe not subsidised by US government | Aug 18 20:09 |
| schestowitz | a lot of US companies are paid for by public debt | Aug 18 20:09 |
| schestowitz | subsidies | Aug 18 20:09 |
| iophk | Each country has a small industried tied to the local economy and language(s) but no outreach to international EU markets | Aug 18 20:09 |
| iophk | Yeah especially tax subsidies. | Aug 18 20:10 |
| schestowitz | it enables espionage, wars of conquest, basically running the empire as long as China is still willing to lend money | Aug 18 20:10 |
| schestowitz | Chinese people think they "own" the USians | Aug 18 20:10 |
| schestowitz | In some senses they're right | Aug 18 20:10 |
| schestowitz | They make all their stuff and the US has debt to them | Aug 18 20:10 |
| iophk | They own controlling shares via foreign debt | Aug 18 20:10 |
| iophk | Its http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/tic/Documents/mfh.txt | Aug 18 20:11 |
| schestowitz | They will, sooner or later, outpace the US at everything. Not just Net users, also Olympic medals, economy (2016 is when they're expected to become #1) | Aug 18 20:11 |
| schestowitz | NSA is spying on the Chinese | Aug 18 20:11 |
| qu1j0t3 | olympic medals lol | Aug 18 20:11 |
| schestowitz | Even those that visit the US, revealed the latest report | Aug 18 20:11 |
| qu1j0t3 | soon they will outpace the US in Nobel Peace Prizes, schestowitz | Aug 18 20:11 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: sports mean a lot to common folks | Aug 18 20:11 |
| schestowitz | national pride and all | Aug 18 20:11 |
| qu1j0t3 | yeah, well, fuq that ;-) | Aug 18 20:12 |
| schestowitz | nationalism through perceived physical superiority | Aug 18 20:12 |
| qu1j0t3 | stupid piled on stupid, in other words | Aug 18 20:12 |
| schestowitz | Like the Nazis and Japanese did | Aug 18 20:12 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: no, not really | Aug 18 20:12 |
| schestowitz | One CHinese man got it | Aug 18 20:12 |
| schestowitz | But then Obama | Aug 18 20:12 |
| schestowitz | Obama is "as good" as him | Aug 18 20:12 |
| schestowitz | He received it in anticipation of peace, he brought drone warfare to the mainstream, continues torture, did a lot of other heneious things | Aug 18 20:13 |
| schestowitz | heinousSo China doesn't need such "prizes" | Aug 18 20:13 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: umairh is about to start a tirade. follow now :) | Aug 18 20:13 |
| iophk | China owns about 23% of the US debt. Japan, in second place, has 19%. There after it is all low single-digit shares. | Aug 18 20:21 |
| iophk | At least of the foreign-held debt. | Aug 18 20:25 |
| iophk | It may be more complicated than just a single table. | Aug 18 20:25 |
| cubezzz | qu1j0t3, you're missing a massive flamewar in #classiccmp | Aug 18 21:00 |
| cubezzz | it may never end :) | Aug 18 21:00 |
| iophk | http://mashable.com/2013/08/18/facebook-hacker-zuckerberg-timeline/ | Aug 18 21:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | mashable.com | Facebook Hacker Breaks Into Zuckerberg's Timeline to Report Bug [ http://ur1.ca/f3pj7 ] | Aug 18 21:06 |
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| qu1j0t3 | cubezzz: why do you think I parted? ;-) | Aug 18 22:50 |
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