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| MinceR | geekings | Sep 06 09:00 |
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| iophk | http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/09/nsa-backdoored-and-stole-keys/ | Sep 06 09:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.wired.com | NSA's Decade-Long Plan to Undermine Encryption Includes Backdoors, Stolen Keys, Manipulating Standards | Threat Level | Wired.com [ http://ur1.ca/fecba ] | Sep 06 09:03 |
| iophk | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/internet-security/10290402/GCHQ-and-NSA-have-cracked-privacy-encryption.html | Sep 06 09:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.telegraph.co.uk | GCHQ and NSA have 'cracked privacy encryption' - Telegraph [ http://ur1.ca/feccd ] | Sep 06 09:06 |
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| MinceR | i guess it's time to start stacking encryption algorithms | Sep 06 09:27 |
| iophk | 3DES + 3ROT13 | Sep 06 09:28 |
| MinceR | lol | Sep 06 09:28 |
| MinceR | i was thinking more along the lines of 3DES+AES+RC4+RSA+whatever | Sep 06 09:28 |
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| iophk | Would there be a risk that stacking lowers the entropy / encryptiong? | Sep 06 09:31 |
| MinceR | if done well, i don't think so | Sep 06 09:32 |
| MinceR | as long as you don't stack the same thing on itself, don't repeat keys, use high strength methods for generating keys, etc. | Sep 06 09:32 |
| MinceR | the 'digital envelope' thing might have to be ditched, though... | Sep 06 09:33 |
| MinceR | and exchange keys out of band | Sep 06 09:33 |
| MinceR | of course, if all else fails, we still have OTP | Sep 06 09:34 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 06 09:34 |
| iophk | I'm not seeing OPIE any more. Are there new ones? | Sep 06 09:35 |
| iophk | Or did you mean one-time pad? | Sep 06 09:35 |
| iophk | S/key seems gone too. | Sep 06 09:35 |
| MinceR | yes, one time pad | Sep 06 09:37 |
| iophk | That's getting more feasible with the compact high capacity storage devices. | Sep 06 09:37 |
| iophk | You can get 32GB fairly cheaply on a USB stick. | Sep 06 09:38 |
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| iophk | But then that limits you to about 32GB of data transfer. | Sep 06 09:38 |
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| MinceR | indeed | Sep 06 09:41 |
| iophk | I guess sealed multi-TB HDs could be sent by post or courier. | Sep 06 09:42 |
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| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_encryption | Sep 06 09:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | en.wikipedia.org | Multiple encryption - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/fecsv ] | Sep 06 09:48 |
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| iophk | Bruce Schneier is in The Guardian : http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/05/government-betrayed-internet-nsa-spying | Sep 06 10:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theguardian.com | The US government has betrayed the internet. We need to take it back | Bruce Schneier | Comment is free | The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/fe5fp ] | Sep 06 10:46 |
| iophk | http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57601467-94/newkia-aims-to-rise-from-nokias-ashes-on-android-wings/ | Sep 06 11:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | news.cnet.com | Newkia aims to rise from Nokia's ashes on Android wings | Mobile - CNET News [ http://ur1.ca/fedld ] | Sep 06 11:03 |
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| iophk | sellout : http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57601534-94/marc-andreessen-is-rooting-for-microsoft-thinks-you-should-too/ | Sep 06 11:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | news.cnet.com | Marc Andreessen is rooting for Microsoft, thinks you should too | Mobile - CNET News [ http://ur1.ca/fedn6 ] | Sep 06 11:10 |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/kJn17BW.jpg | Sep 06 11:10 |
| MinceR | andreessen is apparently an idiot | Sep 06 11:11 |
| MinceR | what the market needs is credible alternatives, not winblows and hypeOS | Sep 06 11:11 |
| iophk | He's not the same person he was years ago. | Sep 06 11:12 |
| MinceR | "Microsoft will put substantial support behind developers because they need them." | Sep 06 11:12 |
| MinceR | like documentation? | Sep 06 11:12 |
| iophk | WP should not be encouraged to spread further. It's unsound and bad for the market. | Sep 06 11:12 |
| MinceR | he should take a look at what m$ claims is the "documentation" for m$ visual java. | Sep 06 11:12 |
| MinceR | i don't feel supported by that. neither by visual studio. | Sep 06 11:12 |
| iophk | He should have told developers to put their weight behind Tizen/Meego/etc | Sep 06 11:12 |
| MinceR | not to mention their usual methods of destroying markets to get into them | Sep 06 11:13 |
| MinceR | indeed. | Sep 06 11:13 |
| MinceR | if had a shadow of an idea what he was talking about, he would have said that | Sep 06 11:13 |
| MinceR | he should have kept silent if this bullshit is the best he can do | Sep 06 11:13 |
| iophk | Android is grand and everything but the market should explore Tizen. The old Nokia Meego phone was getting rave reviews and was highly sought after despite the Elop Effect | Sep 06 11:15 |
| iophk | http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2013/09/the-do-it-yourself-elop-analysis.html | Sep 06 11:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | communities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: The Do-It-Yourself Elop Analysis [ http://ur1.ca/fedou ] | Sep 06 11:15 |
| msb_ | The more people become aware of what's actually going on in the world, which we do by developing our own media instead of relying on the corrupt commercial media, the more people will simply stop using anything from Microsoft, and it will eventually wither and die. | Sep 06 11:15 |
| iophk | There is a large pool of people that promote M$ without getting paid. They will not go away, probably, when M$ shrinks. | Sep 06 11:17 |
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| iophk | M$ will go in two phases. The first one will be quick. That will be when they can no longer get monopoly rents for Windows and Office. | Sep 06 11:18 |
| iophk | The second one will have a long tail as fanbois will drag on and on. | Sep 06 11:19 |
| msb_ | As to privacy and encryption, etc., what we really need is to get rid of the current "corporate governments of occupation", as Stallman calls them, so we don't have to be afraid of people tapping our communications. | Sep 06 11:19 |
| msb_ | IOW, we have to get rid of the current fascism. | Sep 06 11:20 |
| msb_ | Evolve to a World Community. | Sep 06 11:20 |
| MinceR | that will be difficult | Sep 06 11:22 |
| MinceR | especially since most humans tolerate fascism, or maybe even require it | Sep 06 11:22 |
| MinceR | (see hungary as an example) | Sep 06 11:22 |
| msb_ | The more aware people are, the better our own media are, the less Microsoft and its fanbois lying propaganda will influence people. | Sep 06 11:22 |
| msb_ | The only people who wish fascism, who want to be slaves, are those that have been programmed not to think, and not to have free will. | Sep 06 11:23 |
| MinceR | for example, victims of certain major religions | Sep 06 11:23 |
| iophk | msb_: Isn't that most of humanity? | Sep 06 11:23 |
| msb_ | That programming, via JCI religion, etc, must be eliminated. | Sep 06 11:24 |
| msb_ | Yes! I was writing that just as you were! | Sep 06 11:24 |
| msb_ | I think the key is the realization, the concept, that people can be programmed! | Sep 06 11:25 |
| msb_ | Once they're aware of that, they can investigate within themselves to see whether they have been programmed! | Sep 06 11:26 |
| msb_ | A little cannabis may help. | Sep 06 11:26 |
| msb_ | Now that we have computers, and are aware of computer viruses, it makes it much easier to comprehend memetic viruses. | Sep 06 11:27 |
| msb_ | It took years for real proof of the 911 false-flag terror attack to become widely known. Faster with the London bombings. | Sep 06 11:29 |
| msb_ | Only a few days with the Boston Marathon bombing. | Sep 06 11:29 |
| msb_ | And now, the fact that the US supplied Sarin to Al Nusrah (Al-Qaeda) in | Sep 06 11:30 |
| msb_ | Syria, is already known BEFORE the US can do its usual attack and murder of millions of people. | Sep 06 11:31 |
| msb_ | All this because of people's media via the Net! | Sep 06 11:32 |
| msb_ | Calls to the US congress are 99% against a war on Syria. | Sep 06 11:32 |
| msb_ | The whole world is already watching! | Sep 06 11:32 |
| msb_ | Alex Jones is reporting on info from an air force base in Texas that nuclear warheads are being moved, and bombers capable of hitting Russia have already been moved into place. | Sep 06 11:34 |
| msb_ | This is horrible, but it's always darkest before the dawn. | Sep 06 11:35 |
| msb_ | Here's the analysis that what's going on is actually the beginning of a US nuclear war against Russia: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4Btphhve34 | Sep 06 11:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | » Exclusive High Level Source Confirms Secret US Nuclear Warhead Transfer Alex Jones' Infowars The - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fedxo ] | Sep 06 11:41 |
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| msb_ | Here's a text article about it: http://www.infowars.com/exclusive-high-level-source-confirms-secret-us-nuclear-warhead-transfer-to-east-coast/ | Sep 06 11:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.infowars.com | » Exclusive: High Level Source Confirms Secret US Nuclear Warhead Transfer Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind! [ http://ur1.ca/fe0t2 ] | Sep 06 11:50 |
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| msb_ | Sorry, I know it's hard to wrap your minds around this stuff. | Sep 06 11:53 |
| msb_ | There are psychopaths that are so insane with lust for power and control, that they will risk extinction of the human race in order to gain total control of the world. | Sep 06 12:00 |
| msb_ | They are in control of the U.S. now. | Sep 06 12:00 |
| msb_ | But not in total control of it. | Sep 06 12:00 |
| iophk | It would suck if they were in enough control to bring about ragnarok | Sep 06 12:01 |
| msb_ | Well, they're getting a lot of opposition. | Sep 06 12:01 |
| msb_ | They still fear exposure. | Sep 06 12:02 |
| iophk | Not much exposure with what's left of today's media. | Sep 06 12:02 |
| msb_ | That's where the alternate, truthful media come in. | Sep 06 12:03 |
| iophk | Newspapers are all but gone. | Sep 06 12:03 |
| iophk | TV and Radio are controlled by a small handful of interests. | Sep 06 12:03 |
| iophk | groklaw got shut down. | Sep 06 12:03 |
| msb_ | What used to require decades, while truthful books were written, published, and bought, now only requires a couple of days. | Sep 06 12:04 |
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| msb_ | groklaw.net is still up -- I just checked. | Sep 06 12:05 |
| iophk | right the archived site is still up | Sep 06 12:05 |
| msb_ | PJ has said she's going to stop adding stuff. | Sep 06 12:05 |
| iophk | but there are no new articles | Sep 06 12:05 |
| msb_ | Maybe she'll change her mind. | Sep 06 12:05 |
| msb_ | Write her a letter. I did. | Sep 06 12:06 |
| iophk | I wrote last time. | Sep 06 12:06 |
| iophk | Maybe some kind of change of format would be appealing to her. | Sep 06 12:06 |
| msb_ | She said something about having her mail read is like somebody pawing through her underwear, which actually happened, and she threw it away. | Sep 06 12:07 |
| msb_ | She could have just washed it. | Sep 06 12:07 |
| msb_ | It's a psychological quirk. | Sep 06 12:08 |
| msb_ | Anyhow, she's been running that site for a long time. Maybe she just needs a rest, a vacation. | Sep 06 12:09 |
| iophk | there should be a write up of the tactics used against her | Sep 06 12:09 |
| msb_ | And there's always techrights. | Sep 06 12:09 |
| msb_ | Was she specifically attacked? I thought it was just the revelations about the NSA. | Sep 06 12:10 |
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| msb_ | Yes, that's what she says here: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20130818120421175 | Sep 06 12:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.groklaw.net | Groklaw - Forced Exposure ~pj [ http://ur1.ca/f4rka ] | Sep 06 12:13 |
| msb_ | Years ago, somebody connected to Microsoft stalked her and published pictures of her home. | Sep 06 12:14 |
| msb_ | But that didn't stop her. | Sep 06 12:15 |
| msb_ | Life is changeable, chaotic, organic. One person works hard for a while and then needs to rest. And another takes over the work, maybe in a different way. | Sep 06 12:17 |
| iophk | If it were only a question of e-mail, I think that could be worked around if there was a will. | Sep 06 12:17 |
| iophk | Mark wasn't nearly as active as she was. But then he has other duties which require a lot of attention to keep his position. | Sep 06 12:18 |
| msb_ | Mark? | Sep 06 12:19 |
| iophk | http://www.groklaw.net/articlebasic.php?story=20110515173831922 | Sep 06 12:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.groklaw.net | Groklaw - As of Today, It's Mark Webbink's Groklaw 2.0 - Updated [ http://ur1.ca/feeda ] | Sep 06 12:19 |
| msb_ | So PJ hasn't been writing anything for more than a year? | Sep 06 12:22 |
| iophk | She let up for a while and Mark wrote a bit. | Sep 06 12:22 |
| iophk | Then gradually she started to come back. | Sep 06 12:22 |
| iophk | Then Mark's postings became fewer and farther between | Sep 06 12:23 |
| iophk | Lately it's been all PJ's work. | Sep 06 12:23 |
| iophk | The title usually has a ~pj or something when she posted. | Sep 06 12:23 |
| msb_ | In addition to Roy and Techrights, Richard Stallman has a blog and does interviews, and there are some very good video talks by Eben Moglen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eben_Moglen | Sep 06 12:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | en.wikipedia.org | Eben Moglen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/99rtc ] | Sep 06 12:26 |
| msb_ | He gets pretty political -- he's very good! | Sep 06 12:26 |
| msb_ | Check him out on youtube. | Sep 06 12:27 |
| iophk | Moglen is greart. | Sep 06 12:28 |
| msb_ | "We're under the control of the empire of the corporations. The governments that rule our countries are governments of occupation. They don't work for us, they don't represent us. They pretend to, but they're really working for the empire." -- Richard Stallman | Sep 06 12:29 |
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| iophk | sebsebseb: choose the distros for the installfest yet? | Sep 06 12:31 |
| msb_ | RMS isn't just about software anymore, Goddess bless him! | Sep 06 12:31 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: oh I think we won't really have any problems there, getting a suitable venue and any relivent funding on the other hand, well that's the current issue | Sep 06 12:31 |
| msb_ | Hi seb^3 | Sep 06 12:32 |
| sebsebseb | hi msb_ | Sep 06 12:32 |
| iophk | Does the local college or public library have meeting space that can be rented? | Sep 06 12:33 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: maybe can get it at a univesty | Sep 06 12:33 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I am to try and get in contact with this woman from something else :) | Sep 06 12:33 |
| sebsebseb | on my phnone so | Sep 06 12:33 |
| sebsebseb | hopefuly can chat to her | Sep 06 12:33 |
| sebsebseb | there email address not working | Sep 06 12:34 |
| iophk | the worst case would be to descend on mcdonalds and use their wifi | Sep 06 12:34 |
| sebsebseb | heh heh install fest at McDonalds | Sep 06 12:34 |
| sebsebseb | oh they don't all have intenret access here I Think, in fact probably only realy a few | Sep 06 12:34 |
| msb_ | I've eaten exactly one McD burger in my life. Tasted like fried fat. | Sep 06 12:34 |
| iophk | umami | Sep 06 12:34 |
| sebsebseb | I am not sure about eating meat anymore so | Sep 06 12:34 |
| sebsebseb | even though I still ike the taste of McDonalds and such | Sep 06 12:35 |
| sebsebseb | I won't just eat that now | Sep 06 12:35 |
| iophk | I'm not sure there's much meat in McDonalds. The taste is hideous if you're not used to it. | Sep 06 12:35 |
| iophk | It's been ages and ages. | Sep 06 12:35 |
| sebsebseb | no I have always like McDonalds | Sep 06 12:35 |
| sebsebseb | ,but Buger King is better | Sep 06 12:35 |
| sebsebseb | however see what I put above | Sep 06 12:35 |
| iophk | agreed, but that was when I was little. | Sep 06 12:35 |
| iophk | As an adult the taste was just not there. | Sep 06 12:36 |
| msb_ | Made with real bugers? | Sep 06 12:36 |
| sebsebseb | KFC is nice to, but again see what I just put above | Sep 06 12:36 |
| iophk | Some of the independent shops were good. | Sep 06 12:36 |
| sebsebseb | McDonalds has been aj oke in this country since like 2004 | Sep 06 12:36 |
| iophk | but they are fewer and fewer. | Sep 06 12:36 |
| sebsebseb | The B ig Mac is well tiny | Sep 06 12:36 |
| msb_ | Every time the value of the US dollar takes a dive, they all advertise items for only a dollar. But they keep getting smaller. | Sep 06 12:37 |
| iophk | When they advertise like that look at the prices of the other items. | Sep 06 12:37 |
| sebsebseb | oh here htey like the something 99 trick | Sep 06 12:37 |
| sebsebseb | so not quite a pound, but nearly by 1p less | Sep 06 12:37 |
| iophk | They usually ratchet up while distracting with the 99c sale. | Sep 06 12:38 |
| iophk | 99¢ | Sep 06 12:38 |
| iophk | sebsebseb: is the installfest in conjunction with SFD? | Sep 06 12:39 |
| msb_ | There 's a company around here (San Francisco area), that makes a low-fat salami that I like a lot. I eat it on bagels-with-everything. I may go to Hell. | Sep 06 12:39 |
| iophk | Sept 21, 2013 : http://softwarefreedomday.org/ | Sep 06 12:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | softwarefreedomday.org | Software Freedom Day - SFD Home | Sep 06 12:40 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: what's SPD ? | Sep 06 12:40 |
| sebsebseb | no not at all | Sep 06 12:40 |
| msb_ | I had to buy some duct tape a little while ago, and was very annoyed to find they'd made it narrower so they could keep the length and price the same. | Sep 06 12:41 |
| sebsebseb | and it will be in March probably on a Saturdy | Sep 06 12:41 |
| iophk | March is a while aways. | Sep 06 12:41 |
| iophk | I had thought that you were planning something for this month. | Sep 06 12:41 |
| iophk | It's already sept. | Sep 06 12:41 |
| iophk | And 2013 already, too. | Sep 06 12:41 |
| msb_ | Do it before the missiles fly. A flash in the sky and then you die. | Sep 06 12:42 |
| msb_ | It will count for something in the next life. | Sep 06 12:42 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: no the idea is to have the install fest | Sep 06 12:42 |
| sebsebseb | a month or so before the XP and Office 2003 end of life | Sep 06 12:43 |
| sebsebseb | as well | Sep 06 12:43 |
| iophk | Good timing. | Sep 06 12:43 |
| sebsebseb | well unless of course Micrsooft extend once again for XP anyway, since Windows 8 not being much of a success realy | Sep 06 12:43 |
| iophk | — if M$ doesn't extend XP again. | Sep 06 12:43 |
| sebsebseb | also with March we shouldh ave enough time to prepare all of this | Sep 06 12:43 |
| iophk | Vista8 is quite a failure. | Sep 06 12:43 |
| MinceR | denying failures is now business as usual. | Sep 06 12:43 |
| sebsebseb | and if they extend again right, but people are still using a 11 years or so old OS | Sep 06 12:43 |
| iophk | I remember the bad press and complaints about XP | Sep 06 12:44 |
| iophk | It sucked when it arrived. | Sep 06 12:44 |
| sebsebseb | let's see 2001 is the XP release | Sep 06 12:44 |
| sebsebseb | 2014 is next year | Sep 06 12:44 |
| iophk | Then SP2 broke everything that was not already broken | Sep 06 12:44 |
| sebsebseb | so it's more like about 13 years old? | Sep 06 12:44 |
| sebsebseb | at that itme? | Sep 06 12:44 |
| iophk | SP2 was more like a full system change | Sep 06 12:44 |
| sebsebseb | true it was | Sep 06 12:44 |
| sebsebseb | it put in security features for IE etc | Sep 06 12:44 |
| sebsebseb | or apparnatly one | Sep 06 12:44 |
| sebsebseb | s | Sep 06 12:44 |
| sebsebseb | apparant | Sep 06 12:44 |
| iophk | Nah. | Sep 06 12:44 |
| sebsebseb | hence the word apparant :d | Sep 06 12:44 |
| sebsebseb | they put in some features that were apparnatly security features | Sep 06 12:45 |
| iophk | SP2 was partly make-work to burn up staff time and produce overtime charges so that there would be no spare time to investigate Linux. | Sep 06 12:45 |
| iophk | Kept shops in crisis mode. | Sep 06 12:45 |
| sebsebseb | uhmm right well I want to ring this woman now or try to so uhmm | Sep 06 12:45 |
| sebsebseb | going to try and do that | Sep 06 12:45 |
| sebsebseb | chat in a bit | Sep 06 12:45 |
| msb_ | Gack! I think the last time I used that stuff was in a previous millennium! | Sep 06 12:45 |
| iophk | I've seen people try to use it. I've also seen a lot of crashed kiosks and info stations. | Sep 06 12:46 |
| MinceR | alleged security features for the alleged browser | Sep 06 12:46 |
| msb_ | I switched to a terminal emulator I wrote myself in BASIC, that ran in PCDOS, and was using it to communicate with a Unix system at U of Calif. | Sep 06 12:47 |
| msb_ | Then I got Linux. | Sep 06 12:47 |
| iophk | sebsebseb: an installfest for SFD could be a practice for the one in March. | Sep 06 12:57 |
| iophk | You'll know more about what to expect the second time around. | Sep 06 12:57 |
| msb_ | Oh, this is fun. Planning for nuclear EMP? http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/17/us/as-worries-over-the-power-grid-rise-a-drill-will-simulate-a-knockout-blow.html?_r=1& | Sep 06 12:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | myaccount.nytimes.com | Log In - The New York Times [ http://ur1.ca/feesi ] | Sep 06 12:59 |
| msb_ | Crap! Try this: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/17/us/as-worries-over-the-power-grid-rise-a-drill-will-simulate-a-knockout-blow.html?_r=0 | Sep 06 13:00 |
| msb_ | http://tinyurl.com/mptdyn7 | Sep 06 13:03 |
| msb_ | Works for me, if not for the Bot. | Sep 06 13:03 |
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| MisterE | when is this Putin press conference from G-20? | Sep 06 13:42 |
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| MinceR | http://thestrangestbrew.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/illusion-of-choice1.jpg | Sep 06 18:45 |
| MisterE | hahahah I love it! | Sep 06 18:49 |
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