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| MisterE | 8 out of 11 EFF board members are what I'd classify as geeks | Sep 07 08:56 |
| MisterE | re: http://techrights.org/2013/06/28/eff-should-refocus/ | Sep 07 08:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | techrights.org | The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) Ought to Refocus on Crushing Software Patents, Not Patent Trolls or “Stupid Patents” | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/egrej ] | Sep 07 08:56 |
| MisterE | while the advisory board is full of lawyers and I'd like to see that change a bit | Sep 07 08:57 |
| MisterE | but I'm not sure about the part of that article that says “That’s the difference between organisations such as the EFF and organisations like FFII. The latter is run and managed by technical people.” | Sep 07 08:58 |
| MisterE | I'm structuring a sizable donation to EFF and directing how I would like it to be used. | Sep 07 08:58 |
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| iophk | http://mrpogson.com/2013/09/07/gnu/ | Sep 07 12:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | mrpogson.com | GNU | Robert Pogson | Sep 07 12:47 |
| MinceR | geekings | Sep 07 13:58 |
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| MisterE | hey | Sep 07 14:24 |
| MisterE | anyone have a comment on my question about EFF? | Sep 07 14:25 |
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| iophk | A 30-year anniversary coming up in 3 weeks : https://groups.google.com/d/msg/net.unix-wizards/8twfRPM79u0/1xlglzrWrU0J | Sep 07 16:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | groups.google.com | Google Groups [ http://ur1.ca/few22 ] | Sep 07 16:12 |
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| sebsebseb | iophk: and someone I Know online is going ot the FSF party | Sep 07 17:07 |
| iophk | cool | Sep 07 17:07 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: in fact been invited by them etc since working on a project | Sep 07 17:07 |
| iophk | It's hard to believe it is 30 years already. I remember seeing the ads for Emacs tapes in the magazines back then. | Sep 07 17:08 |
| iophk | Will the FSF party be held anywhere unusual? Or is it at MIT? | Sep 07 17:10 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: in Boston it seems | Sep 07 17:12 |
| sebsebseb | I wasn't even alive 30 years ago, or maybe i was in some other life? | Sep 07 17:12 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: also it means Stallman started FSF when he was 30 | Sep 07 17:14 |
| sebsebseb | or nearly | Sep 07 17:14 |
| sebsebseb | since he's 60 now | Sep 07 17:14 |
| iophk | yeah | Sep 07 17:14 |
| sebsebseb | means he started Free Software movmeent at that age | Sep 07 17:14 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz is now 30 and a still an obbsseisve micro blogger and blogger | Sep 07 17:14 |
| sebsebseb | altough one who's not here right now it seems | Sep 07 17:14 |
| sebsebseb | ,but he started that years and years before | Sep 07 17:15 |
| sebsebseb | being 30 | Sep 07 17:15 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: do you think a hotle conference room is a good place for ai nstall fest? :d | Sep 07 17:15 |
| sebsebseb | once that located at a nice part of the city to | Sep 07 17:15 |
| sebsebseb | very central as well | Sep 07 17:15 |
| sebsebseb | hotel above that is | Sep 07 17:15 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I guess move most of the chairs out and use it :d | Sep 07 17:16 |
| iophk | A hotel conference room might be OK if they have enough tables | Sep 07 17:16 |
| iophk | Stack up the chairs in a corner or have them remove them. | Sep 07 17:16 |
| iophk | They usually have storage. | Sep 07 17:16 |
| sebsebseb | yeah bingo stack up in the corner or have removed | Sep 07 17:16 |
| sebsebseb | I mean could do some speaking in there to | Sep 07 17:16 |
| sebsebseb | then may want more chairs out again or something | Sep 07 17:16 |
| iophk | Part of hosting conferences is setting up tables in various configurations and arranging chairs. | Sep 07 17:16 |
| sebsebseb | can get a really nice room for a good price | Sep 07 17:17 |
| sebsebseb | ,but it's a theather style conference room | Sep 07 17:17 |
| sebsebseb | with a big projecter and what not to :d | Sep 07 17:17 |
| sebsebseb | two Plasma TV's etc | Sep 07 17:17 |
| iophk | I'd put a bunch of tables end to end along one wall to have a 'bar' of demo systems. | Sep 07 17:17 |
| iophk | Then rows of tables with space around them for the installations | Sep 07 17:17 |
| sebsebseb | put tables at teh back for demo's/ away from the projecter etc | Sep 07 17:17 |
| iophk | Getting power and network to the tables will be difficult I think. | Sep 07 17:18 |
| sebsebseb | then if want to do some public speaking | Sep 07 17:18 |
| sebsebseb | just get the chairs out again or whatever | Sep 07 17:18 |
| sebsebseb | into postion | Sep 07 17:18 |
| sebsebseb | and yep? :) | Sep 07 17:18 |
| sebsebseb | they have some sort of wireless there, but I am thinking if goin for anything | Sep 07 17:18 |
| sebsebseb | should be set up to do a lot of stuff offline | Sep 07 17:18 |
| sebsebseb | also with installs dont' want to be doing those, get updates from Internet on install ooptions | Sep 07 17:18 |
| sebsebseb | that takes time | Sep 07 17:18 |
| sebsebseb | people can install security afters them selves later at home, if they know what they are doing? right???? | Sep 07 17:19 |
| sebsebseb | now days get options in distros where it will install loads of updates from net on the install, but then it takes much longer to | Sep 07 17:19 |
| iophk | I would set up a proxy cache inside of whatever network you are using. | Sep 07 17:19 |
| sebsebseb | I think the room is good | Sep 07 17:19 |
| iophk | Then before people show up, do an install of each distro to load the cache. | Sep 07 17:19 |
| sebsebseb | ,but yeah the Intenret etc I am not so sure hmm | Sep 07 17:19 |
| sebsebseb | what do you mean a proxy cache ? | Sep 07 17:20 |
| iophk | squid or, for Debian/Ubuntu, apt-cacher | Sep 07 17:20 |
| sebsebseb | I think ideally we should have all ISO's that we are going to use or may use downloaded etc | Sep 07 17:20 |
| iophk | You could also set up local repositories but that is a lot of overhead. | Sep 07 17:20 |
| sebsebseb | on a computer and USB's etc, have some blank CD's etc to, if going tom ake more | Sep 07 17:20 |
| iophk | However, if you have local repositories or a local cache you can do a net install far faster than from a DVD. | Sep 07 17:21 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I think the room we are being offered as a room is good | Sep 07 17:21 |
| sebsebseb | ,but then it's all the set up stuff | Sep 07 17:21 |
| sebsebseb | how going to set things up etc etc, like we are chatting about | Sep 07 17:21 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: ah yes that's a idea to, have the repo's on a local server of some sort already | Sep 07 17:21 |
| sebsebseb | instead of using from Internet | Sep 07 17:21 |
| sebsebseb | is that what you mean ? | Sep 07 17:22 |
| iophk | yes that is one option and a fast one at that | Sep 07 17:22 |
| sebsebseb | yeah I am not sure how to set that up, but would be good | Sep 07 17:22 |
| sebsebseb | means people can nstall, and then install programs to :) | Sep 07 17:22 |
| sebsebseb | and go home | Sep 07 17:22 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: with a hotel wireless whatever they give us, may not be that relible I expect | Sep 07 17:23 |
| iophk | Then it is very important to have a local repository or some reserve network. | Sep 07 17:23 |
| sebsebseb | can the local repo's be used no problem, over wireless or whatever though? | Sep 07 17:23 |
| iophk | The local repos can be used however. | Sep 07 17:23 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: not sure if going for the hotel, but I am leaning towards it myself at the moment | Sep 07 17:23 |
| sebsebseb | and it's in a really good location for people to get to and what not | Sep 07 17:24 |
| iophk | The only gotcha I can think of is that after the installation is done, you have to go in and change the new system's settings to point to the real, official repository. | Sep 07 17:24 |
| sebsebseb | with distros now, they may even say on the installer, we recommend you are connected to the Internet whilst installing | Sep 07 17:24 |
| iophk | If you forget that, then the users can't update once they get home. | Sep 07 17:24 |
| sebsebseb | yes that's true, would then have to have it pointing to the real repo's after that | Sep 07 17:24 |
| iophk | I would think of setting up your own LAN, either wired or wireless or both, and then connect that to the host's net. | Sep 07 17:25 |
| sebsebseb | there's some sort of wireless organisation who may help us get set up maybe I guess | Sep 07 17:25 |
| sebsebseb | plus there's a Linux using company who may help I guess, may even fund it for us, even if not at their venue, not sure | Sep 07 17:25 |
| iophk | Can someone provide switches and cables? | Sep 07 17:25 |
| sebsebseb | probably if we ask | Sep 07 17:26 |
| sebsebseb | so in this hotel conforence room, loasd ofn ice things apparnatly, right, but in theater style it can have 100 people sitting down | Sep 07 17:26 |
| sebsebseb | ,but instead of people sititng down, that's space we would use for installs and such I guess | Sep 07 17:26 |
| sebsebseb | if going for that room | Sep 07 17:26 |
| iophk | I'd use one side of the room for demos and the other side for installs. Leave a space in between the two and an aisle between the installs and the wall. | Sep 07 17:27 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I guess demo computers at the back like yiour saying | Sep 07 17:27 |
| sebsebseb | installs in the middle, and some wehre for chairs to be put? | Sep 07 17:27 |
| iophk | | == | Sep 07 17:27 |
| iophk | | == | Sep 07 17:27 |
| sebsebseb | what's that ? | Sep 07 17:27 |
| iophk | my ASCII art sucks | Sep 07 17:28 |
| sebsebseb | oh what was that meant to be? | Sep 07 17:28 |
| iophk | Demo tables oriented north-south along the west wall. | Sep 07 17:28 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: ,but this is a conference room ther's a microphone etc | Sep 07 17:28 |
| sebsebseb | so may be worth doing a intro or something ? | Sep 07 17:28 |
| sebsebseb | might as well use that microphone a bit I mean :d | Sep 07 17:29 |
| iophk | Yes, have an intro. It should include a welcome and a 5 minute overview of what's going on. | Sep 07 17:29 |
| sebsebseb | ,but for that intro people would want to sit down | Sep 07 17:29 |
| sebsebseb | same thing for a conclusion if havingo ne | Sep 07 17:29 |
| iophk | If the intro is short it can be done standing. | Sep 07 17:29 |
| iophk | There should be two or three chairs at the install stations. | Sep 07 17:29 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I guess the chairs would just be in bot hsides of the room, people can turn them round anyway | Sep 07 17:29 |
| iophk | I'm not sure if the demo stations need chairs. | Sep 07 17:30 |
| sebsebseb | they do if they are going to be used for peple sitting down at the computer | Sep 07 17:30 |
| sebsebseb | and trying stuff out them selves | Sep 07 17:30 |
| iophk | (I guess the emacs adds were from 1986 or 1987 that I saw) | Sep 07 17:30 |
| sebsebseb | nope not showing emacs :D | Sep 07 17:30 |
| sebsebseb | sorry Stallman, but no | Sep 07 17:30 |
| iophk | vi then | Sep 07 17:30 |
| iophk | ;) | Sep 07 17:30 |
| sebsebseb | heh heh not vi either | Sep 07 17:30 |
| MinceR | vim | Sep 07 17:31 |
| sebsebseb | in fact let's do Gentoo for fun :d | Sep 07 17:31 |
| sebsebseb | at a demo station | Sep 07 17:31 |
| sebsebseb | and then do installs of it | Sep 07 17:31 |
| sebsebseb | heh heh | Sep 07 17:31 |
| iophk | geany or kate is usually enough for most beginners interested in trying coding. | Sep 07 17:31 |
| *sebsebseb hasn't acstuly installed Gentoo, closed got to was nearly installing Sabayon | Sep 07 17:31 | |
| sebsebseb | could have emcs and vi instaleld though I guess | Sep 07 17:31 |
| sebsebseb | ,but this is aimed at general public | Sep 07 17:31 |
| sebsebseb | not so technical peopl that's the idea | Sep 07 17:31 |
| sebsebseb | marketitng is going to be key I think, or it's going to be a falur this event | Sep 07 17:32 |
| sebsebseb | or not that successful | Sep 07 17:32 |
| iophk | Can you do a test run first? | Sep 07 17:32 |
| iophk | A tiny install fest for Software Freedom Day | Sep 07 17:32 |
| sebsebseb | not really or not easily | Sep 07 17:32 |
| sebsebseb | nope we can't | Sep 07 17:32 |
| iophk | would let you get an idea what is needed and how to do it. | Sep 07 17:32 |
| sebsebseb | we aren't preapred to have one at all at the moment | Sep 07 17:32 |
| sebsebseb | no venue sorted out properly, funding, sponsers, or donations etc | Sep 07 17:33 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: so basically we have untill when we do it in March | Sep 07 17:33 |
| sebsebseb | to sort things out | Sep 07 17:33 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I think your right though split the room into two, demo's type area and such, and the installs area | Sep 07 17:34 |
| sebsebseb | enough chairs there to | Sep 07 17:34 |
| iophk | Yes and leave a gap for mixing. | Sep 07 17:34 |
| sebsebseb | yep and some space in between to | Sep 07 17:34 |
| sebsebseb | an aisle | Sep 07 17:34 |
| iophk | an aisle on the far side but at least a double aisle in between the demos and the installs | Sep 07 17:34 |
| iophk | you want the room to pull people towards them | Sep 07 17:35 |
| sebsebseb | and use the prejector to show stuff to I guess and plama TV's or whatever, if going for that rom | Sep 07 17:35 |
| sebsebseb | and have the intro, a conclusion | Sep 07 17:35 |
| sebsebseb | maybe a re introdution after lunch as well of some sort? | Sep 07 17:35 |
| sebsebseb | if having lunch | Sep 07 17:35 |
| iophk | You could have a slide show advertising various apps and activities. | Sep 07 17:35 |
| sebsebseb | and even if going for a lunch brake, computers can be left to install stuff I guess | Sep 07 17:35 |
| sebsebseb | two types of buffet to choose from for that hotel per person, but I assume the poeple the mselves just pay for that, not us | Sep 07 17:36 |
| iophk | Yes the lunch break should be announced then there could be a welcome announcement after lunch | Sep 07 17:36 |
| iophk | jsut a minute or two, not longer | Sep 07 17:36 |
| sebsebseb | looks like going to start early if going for the hotel | Sep 07 17:36 |
| sebsebseb | like 10am or whatever hmm | Sep 07 17:36 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yes I can picture having the install fest in that room I saw in a photo | Sep 07 17:37 |
| sebsebseb | even more so now after what you put as well | Sep 07 17:37 |
| iophk | You should leave enough time to set up everything, including the network. Would 2 hours do it? | Sep 07 17:38 |
| sebsebseb | well a instll fest advice site suggests one hour before for oganisers , but hmm | Sep 07 17:38 |
| sebsebseb | not sure of the room times quite for the hotel yet, but I guess would be in there interest to really | Sep 07 17:38 |
| iophk | Yes but some of the setup crew will have to get there even earlier I think | Sep 07 17:38 |
| sebsebseb | I mean for everyone the event will be | Sep 07 17:39 |
| sebsebseb | that's the idea | Sep 07 17:39 |
| iophk | and then everyone gets drunk and people end up in the pool with their clothes on | Sep 07 17:39 |
| sebsebseb | oh don't think that hotel has a pool actsually | Sep 07 17:39 |
| sebsebseb | ,but maybe the outside dock/harbour/river what is water | Sep 07 17:39 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: then the question also is how long is per day really? | Sep 07 17:40 |
| sebsebseb | does that mean we can set up early and start at like 10am | Sep 07 17:40 |
| sebsebseb | and finnish at like 9pm ? | Sep 07 17:40 |
| sebsebseb | or even later maybe | Sep 07 17:40 |
| iophk | Not too late. It will be a hard day and at least an hour will be needed for tear down. | Sep 07 17:40 |
| sebsebseb | yeah that's waht I mean close at say 9pm or something | Sep 07 17:40 |
| sebsebseb | 8apm 7pm | Sep 07 17:40 |
| sebsebseb | tidy up etc, have a drink, go home | Sep 07 17:40 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: so like 10am to about 8pm maybe? | Sep 07 17:41 |
| sebsebseb | really I wanted like 1pm to 7/8/9pm :d | Sep 07 17:41 |
| iophk | 8pm might work, you'd be ready to leave by 9 | Sep 07 17:41 |
| sebsebseb | I guess I have to check with the hotel what per day really means time wise | Sep 07 17:42 |
| sebsebseb | and if we really can get it for the price it seems can get it for :) | Sep 07 17:42 |
| iophk | Yes, they may want folks out by 6pm | Sep 07 17:42 |
| sebsebseb | betwen that price and slightly later, reduced from a massive price | Sep 07 17:42 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: we still hav a funding issue, but if we all donated something | Sep 07 17:43 |
| sebsebseb | we would have enough to book the room | Sep 07 17:43 |
| sebsebseb | and ideally with some other people to, I guess, if can't get a sponser or funding I mean | Sep 07 17:43 |
| sebsebseb | well there is a possible funding option, but not sure if thati ncludes an event then being done at a hotel | Sep 07 17:43 |
| sebsebseb | and open to everyone | Sep 07 17:43 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: room hire sounded reasonable to me, but is still. quite a bit of cash really | Sep 07 17:44 |
| iophk | Can you have some 10-minute demos for press? | Sep 07 17:44 |
| sebsebseb | 10 minute demos for press what do you mean? | Sep 07 17:44 |
| iophk | I guess print media is dead but in the old days, I'd work out an arrangement that some newspapers have someone visit and get a tour of the event. | Sep 07 17:44 |
| sebsebseb | oh the local media yeah can maybe get that arranged | Sep 07 17:45 |
| iophk | It's to tell people that missed the event what went on. | Sep 07 17:45 |
| sebsebseb | yep indeed | Sep 07 17:45 |
| sebsebseb | maybe can show it on the local TV news for example | Sep 07 17:46 |
| sebsebseb | briefly anwyay | Sep 07 17:46 |
| iophk | If that can be arranged, that could help. | Sep 07 17:46 |
| sebsebseb | ,but that's for when the event is on | Sep 07 17:46 |
| sebsebseb | or after like you say | Sep 07 17:46 |
| sebsebseb | and can advertise it it in the LInux magazines or something beofre hand, even though aimed at non technical people | Sep 07 17:47 |
| sebsebseb | ,but yeah mrketing is key to | Sep 07 17:47 |
| iophk | The non-Linux magazines would be your target audience I think. | Sep 07 17:48 |
| iophk | Those reading the Linux magazines are probably taking care of themselves. | Sep 07 17:48 |
| sebsebseb | the non LInux ,but computer related? | Sep 07 17:48 |
| iophk | yes, non-Linux but computer related. | Sep 07 17:48 |
| iophk | That costs, though. | Sep 07 17:48 |
| sebsebseb | yeah well we'll see | Sep 07 17:49 |
| iophk | Getting a writeup in the local paper after the fact is free though. | Sep 07 17:49 |
| sebsebseb | ,but veneu would be good for hotel I think | Sep 07 17:49 |
| iophk | They usually want to cover local events. | Sep 07 17:49 |
| sebsebseb | ,but goign to have to set up this and that our selves in that case then | Sep 07 17:49 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I think that applys to like anwyehre anwyay | Sep 07 17:49 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I think that's a great idea having our own repo's | Sep 07 17:49 |
| sebsebseb | set up | Sep 07 17:49 |
| iophk | Your own repos will work best if you have your own LAN or WLAN. | Sep 07 17:50 |
| sebsebseb | and also a ISO's download server or something | Sep 07 17:50 |
| sebsebseb | yeah going to need some help probably from what I mentioend arlier possbily | Sep 07 17:50 |
| sebsebseb | probably | Sep 07 17:50 |
| sebsebseb | if we can get the LInux using company porpelry on board, that should bel ike everything sorted :) | Sep 07 17:50 |
| sebsebseb | someone else was in contact with them, and they said they were interested, but were like can we have it at our offices, but that's far away from the centre so | Sep 07 17:51 |
| sebsebseb | ,but hopefuly they will sponser or something :) | Sep 07 17:51 |
| sebsebseb | and even if we go for a venue some where else | Sep 07 17:51 |
| iophk | If people are expected to bring their own machines,they probably will come with their own transportation. | Sep 07 17:51 |
| sebsebseb | yep indeed | Sep 07 17:52 |
| iophk | Also, I can't see anyone wanting to lug home a computer through Saturday night crowds. | Sep 07 17:52 |
| sebsebseb | and the hotel will give a 50% disccount on the car park | Sep 07 17:52 |
| iophk | So the ending time has to be reasonable. | Sep 07 17:52 |
| sebsebseb | people expect to pay for car parking in the centre of the city | Sep 07 17:52 |
| iophk | Is it easy to get to by car? | Sep 07 17:52 |
| sebsebseb | 50% discount on the hotel car park | Sep 07 17:52 |
| sebsebseb | yes very easy to get to by car once in the city | Sep 07 17:52 |
| sebsebseb | easy to get to via public transport ot, well a walk from the bus staiotn, but yeah | Sep 07 17:53 |
| iophk | I suppose people won't be expected to bring their own monitors | Sep 07 17:53 |
| iophk | so you will need a variety of adapters. | Sep 07 17:53 |
| iophk | Does your town have some kind of events schedule published? | Sep 07 17:53 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: it's the kind of area, where may be another suitable venue, if paying or whatever, but an area that loads of stuff or whatever I was going to type | Sep 07 17:53 |
| iophk | Many have a guide of what's happening during the month. | Sep 07 17:53 |
| sebsebseb | I have thought about that, maybe they should be expected to bring their own monitors, if bring a desktop ? | Sep 07 17:54 |
| sebsebseb | I have also thought what if someoen has hardware issues, would we want to do that, no not really? ,but sometimes a sofwtare issue is really a hardare issue etc | Sep 07 17:54 |
| sebsebseb | yep 50% discount on car park | Sep 07 17:55 |
| sebsebseb | and they can pay for a buffet lunch if wanting it, but I got given two options, so I wonder if that means, both are available, and people just pay them selves for which one they want? | Sep 07 17:55 |
| iophk | How do people find out about concerts in your town? | Sep 07 17:55 |
| sebsebseb | yeah there's website for the city | Sep 07 17:55 |
| sebsebseb | I live outside of it :d | Sep 07 17:55 |
| iophk | are there any print guides any more? | Sep 07 17:55 |
| sebsebseb | and some print type things to yep | Sep 07 17:55 |
| iophk | get into the print things and the web pages. | Sep 07 17:56 |
| sebsebseb | yep | Sep 07 17:56 |
| iophk | The print might have a 2-month lead time. | Sep 07 17:56 |
| iophk | So that means having a locale booked and a time set by january | Sep 07 17:56 |
| sebsebseb | 50% discount on the car park, paying for their own lucnh if htey want it, paying for their own snacks and tea or coffe if wanting that as well, sound reasonable to me | Sep 07 17:56 |
| sebsebseb | need a big sponser if going to give all that to people for free to | Sep 07 17:56 |
| sebsebseb | plus it's in a area of the city where they can quite easilly eat else where if they want to first or after etc | Sep 07 17:57 |
| iophk | People should cover food themselves, but you might consider providing tea and coffee, if the budget allows for it. | Sep 07 17:57 |
| iophk | Ice water is a bare minimum. | Sep 07 17:57 |
| sebsebseb | ice water was avaialbe in the conference room or whatever htey said | Sep 07 17:57 |
| sebsebseb | not sure if that's for everyone though, or just a speaker, but I guess | Sep 07 17:57 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: there's even a bar that can be opended for us | Sep 07 17:58 |
| sebsebseb | that we can have private as well | Sep 07 17:58 |
| sebsebseb | ,but people have to pay in cash it seems | Sep 07 17:59 |
| iophk | If it ends early enough you won't need the bar. You might schedule a meet up afterwards for a local pub. | Sep 07 17:59 |
| iophk | Say start at the pub an hour after the installfest closes. | Sep 07 17:59 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I don't want it to end early persoanly | Sep 07 18:00 |
| sebsebseb | I don't want it to start ot early either | Sep 07 18:00 |
| iophk | 10am is probably the earliest | Sep 07 18:01 |
| sebsebseb | yeah exactly, but still means the set up crew have to be there an hour or maybe two before hand | Sep 07 18:01 |
| iophk | are there traditional activity hours on Saturday? e.g. market from 8am-2pm? | Sep 07 18:01 |
| sebsebseb | seems quite a lot of stuff noramlly closes at like 5 or 6 on a Saturday for some reason | Sep 07 18:01 |
| iophk | If you start later, people might be tempted to have lunch first. | Sep 07 18:01 |
| sebsebseb | I was thinking 1pm start | Sep 07 18:02 |
| iophk | 1pm might be good. | Sep 07 18:02 |
| iophk | But closing at 5 or 6 might be wise too. | Sep 07 18:02 |
| sebsebseb | 1pm to say 7/8/9pm or maybe a bit later, or a bit later, but only really for those needed | Sep 07 18:02 |
| sebsebseb | or we don't do any last installs untill say before 9pm or something | Sep 07 18:02 |
| sebsebseb | ,but maybe can hve the place untill say 11pm leaving time to tidy up? and a drink for organisers? | Sep 07 18:02 |
| sebsebseb | no I think 5 or 6 is quite early to close | Sep 07 18:03 |
| sebsebseb | I think main thing is to not close to early, and to not start to late as well | Sep 07 18:03 |
| sebsebseb | iophk:going to need about 8 hours for installs reaoly | Sep 07 18:03 |
| iophk | 9pm puts some potentially there from 8am to 10pm, that's a long day. | Sep 07 18:03 |
| iophk | Ok 8 hours | Sep 07 18:03 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I don't want to be there until say 1pm | Sep 07 18:04 |
| sebsebseb | or mid day or something | Sep 07 18:04 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I guess the hotel has there times for lunch | Sep 07 18:04 |
| sebsebseb | which will be like all afternoon ? | Sep 07 18:04 |
| sebsebseb | what about us when are we going to eat lunch if going to? | Sep 07 18:05 |
| iophk | Can you have split shifts? Some organizers for the first half and others for the second half? One or two will still have to oversee the wholething from start to finish. | Sep 07 18:05 |
| sebsebseb | maybe should start setting up at say 11am | Sep 07 18:05 |
| sebsebseb | and then ope nat 1pm ? | Sep 07 18:05 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: we need more organiswers to at the moment | Sep 07 18:05 |
| iophk | 1pm allows for lunch | Sep 07 18:05 |
| sebsebseb | only got five including myself at the moment uh | Sep 07 18:05 |
| sebsebseb | well I was thinking mid day to 1pm would be lunch ? | Sep 07 18:05 |
| sebsebseb | then start the event at 1pm ? | Sep 07 18:05 |
| iophk | 1pm is probably wise then | Sep 07 18:05 |
| sebsebseb | I don't want to get up to early on that day | Sep 07 18:06 |
| sebsebseb | if I can avoide it :) | Sep 07 18:06 |
| sebsebseb | it takes quite a while to get into the city from here | Sep 07 18:06 |
| sebsebseb | plus time to get ready etc | Sep 07 18:06 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: anyway it was very much so if you watn lucnh we have.... | Sep 07 18:06 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: 11am first organissers get there tc, start setting up? | Sep 07 18:07 |
| sebsebseb | lunch around mid day ? | Sep 07 18:07 |
| sebsebseb | 1pm event start? | Sep 07 18:07 |
| sebsebseb | lunch around mid day for event organiswers? 1pm event start? | Sep 07 18:07 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: hopefuly can advise it as they hotel has lunch availbe all afternooni | Sep 07 18:08 |
| sebsebseb | if you want it you can get some | Sep 07 18:08 |
| iophk | Yeah lunch around mid day | Sep 07 18:08 |
| sebsebseb | I mean for guests, they may want to buy lunch, but we don't need an hour set up for lunch really | Sep 07 18:09 |
| sebsebseb | as part of the event | Sep 07 18:09 |
| sebsebseb | 1pm would give people enough time to get lunch first, or at the hotle I guess? | Sep 07 18:09 |
| sebsebseb | and may need about two hours to set up before hand as you say as well | Sep 07 18:09 |
| sebsebseb | some people would get there early no problem, since they live nearer and what not, so uhmm maybe set up should be like 10am to mid day? | Sep 07 18:10 |
| iophk | Depending on setup, lunch may be leisurely or hurried. | Sep 07 18:10 |
| sebsebseb | lunch may be nice or horrid ? | Sep 07 18:10 |
| iophk | I'd do a dry run of the infrastructure a week early at someone's house or workplace. | Sep 07 18:10 |
| sebsebseb | yep | Sep 07 18:11 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: 10am start means setting up at 9am or 8am | Sep 07 18:11 |
| sebsebseb | uh | Sep 07 18:11 |
| sebsebseb | 1pm start means setting can start to set up at 10am | Sep 07 18:12 |
| sebsebseb | and have lunch about mid day | Sep 07 18:12 |
| sebsebseb | and people can join us if htey want, pre event lunch with event organiswers at mid day.... | Sep 07 18:12 |
| sebsebseb | and after event drinks with event organiswers after tidying up ? | Sep 07 18:12 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: can then chat to early people whilst having a buffet about stuff | Sep 07 18:13 |
| sebsebseb | and then start the event properly ? | Sep 07 18:13 |
| iophk | Yeah I'd make the pub meet-up part of the agenda but maybe not in the published announcement | Sep 07 18:13 |
| sebsebseb | and also chat with late people after the installs are over? | Sep 07 18:13 |
| iophk | Who in your area has already done installfests in recent years? | Sep 07 18:14 |
| sebsebseb | this group, but itwas years ago | Sep 07 18:14 |
| sebsebseb | I wasn't there then | Sep 07 18:14 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I think make it clear to people that lunch is at ..... or somethign | Sep 07 18:14 |
| iophk | I expect that most people getting help with the installation would run home and try their new systems out as soon as they can. | Sep 07 18:14 |
| sebsebseb | doesn't it make sense to have lunch and get to know some people a bit at least, befoer starting the event properly ? | Sep 07 18:14 |
| iophk | Probably not for the visitors. | Sep 07 18:15 |
| iophk | For the organizers it would be good. | Sep 07 18:15 |
| sebsebseb | 1pm to 8pm/9pm whatever would give people enough time for people to come, leave, and come back if nessarey to | Sep 07 18:15 |
| iophk | I still think 8pm is a little over ambitious. | Sep 07 18:16 |
| sebsebseb | I don't if the event properly starts at 1pm | Sep 07 18:16 |
| iophk | If most activities in town end by 5 or 6, then there might not be so many coming in after that. | Sep 07 18:16 |
| sebsebseb | 11am to mid day set up, or maybe 10am to set up? mid day to 1pm klunch for organisers and other people to or whatever? | Sep 07 18:16 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: not most depends | Sep 07 18:17 |
| sebsebseb | the day stuff I meant | Sep 07 18:17 |
| sebsebseb | the day stuff closes at like 5pm 6pm a lot of it it seems | Sep 07 18:17 |
| sebsebseb | then got the evening stuff | Sep 07 18:17 |
| sebsebseb | so I think 1pm to 8pm is ok for the installs then | Sep 07 18:18 |
| sebsebseb | including a intro, and a conslusion thing? | Sep 07 18:18 |
| sebsebseb | unoffically or whatever, could have the room for a bit longer to, so if a install isn't done or something? | Sep 07 18:18 |
| sebsebseb | or we say like last installs before 8pm ? | Sep 07 18:18 |
| iophk | I'd have the last install start no later than 30 - 60 minutes before closing. | Sep 07 18:19 |
| sebsebseb | an hour or so to tidy up whatever ir takes, may have other volunteers then. then after drinks at least, and go home | Sep 07 18:19 |
| iophk | remember it's not just an install, you're also walking the people through the new system | Sep 07 18:19 |
| sebsebseb | yep indeed | Sep 07 18:19 |
| sebsebseb | 1pm to 9pm, with drinks at the end? for organiswers and other people maybe? the like after party? | Sep 07 18:20 |
| sebsebseb | maybe get some pizza or something at the end to ? | Sep 07 18:20 |
| iophk | Yeah something like that | Sep 07 18:20 |
| sebsebseb | so basically the bar is closed whilst the event is on, but at the end, we open it up and :) | Sep 07 18:21 |
| sebsebseb | through the event, they can buy tea or coffee or home made snacks thoug, or even go to lucnh some where at hte hotel or otherwise? | Sep 07 18:21 |
| iophk | I'd have the drinks near by but at a different location if possible, unless the hotel has a nice bar. | Sep 07 18:21 |
| sebsebseb | as part of the suite get a bar | Sep 07 18:21 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: it has a adjacent bar | Sep 07 18:22 |
| sebsebseb | whatever the word adajcent means | Sep 07 18:22 |
| sebsebseb | I think try and finnish installs by 8/9pm and then open the bar up untill say 11pm | Sep 07 18:23 |
| sebsebseb | make this into a social thing to, at the end at least? | Sep 07 18:23 |
| iophk | Yeah social at the end. | Sep 07 18:23 |
| iophk | to unwind | Sep 07 18:23 |
| sebsebseb | yep | Sep 07 18:23 |
| iophk | but everything has to be packed up first. | Sep 07 18:23 |
| sebsebseb | exactly | Sep 07 18:23 |
| iophk | Are there enough card? | Sep 07 18:23 |
| iophk | * | Sep 07 18:23 |
| iophk | *cars | Sep 07 18:23 |
| sebsebseb | so maybe the bar isn't opended t hen | Sep 07 18:23 |
| sebsebseb | untill the room is tidied up? | Sep 07 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | people may help us then? | Sep 07 18:24 |
| iophk | Yes it should be opened only after the work is donw. | Sep 07 18:24 |
| iophk | done | Sep 07 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | yep indeed | Sep 07 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | now 1pm to 9pm sounds good doesn't it? | Sep 07 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | for installs | Sep 07 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | with the bar after | Sep 07 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | 10am to mid day for set up, mid day to 1pm lunch for organiswers? | Sep 07 18:25 |
| sebsebseb | or something like that | Sep 07 18:25 |
| sebsebseb | might even help peopel try and keep the room reoasnbly tidy all the way through | Sep 07 18:25 |
| sebsebseb | if htey know the bar wil oepn at the end :d | Sep 07 18:25 |
| iophk | Yeah. One person should get to the locale a bit before 1pm in case there is someone who arrives early | Sep 07 18:25 |
| sebsebseb | the locale ? | Sep 07 18:26 |
| iophk | Where you have the computers set up for installs and demos. | Sep 07 18:26 |
| sebsebseb | maybe can some how ask for volunteers at hte begining to help set up? | Sep 07 18:26 |
| iophk | You can't start before 1pm but you can welcome any early birds | Sep 07 18:26 |
| sebsebseb | some early birds might help us get set up, if they know though | Sep 07 18:26 |
| sebsebseb | need snaks sure, but pizza is good to at the end or something like that I think | Sep 07 18:27 |
| iophk | Not that early, I'm thinking folks that had good luck with the traffic or something | Sep 07 18:27 |
| sebsebseb | ,but they are hotel so should sort us out for anything like that :d | Sep 07 18:28 |
| sebsebseb | as long as they get paid of course :d | Sep 07 18:28 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: how long for the after party? | Sep 07 18:30 |
| sebsebseb | an hour? two hours? three hours? | Sep 07 18:30 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: 8pm to 11pm or so? once tidyed up ? | Sep 07 18:30 |
| iophk | maybe an hour if it is dependent on the hotel | Sep 07 18:30 |
| sebsebseb | I think can have it quite late | Sep 07 18:30 |
| sebsebseb | the room | Sep 07 18:30 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: ,but usauly pubs only really allow alchole to be served untill 11pm here | Sep 07 18:31 |
| sebsebseb | plus 11pm is quite late | Sep 07 18:31 |
| sebsebseb | want to beg oing home I think | Sep 07 18:31 |
| iophk | Also, people drive because they have to carry equipment in their cars | Sep 07 18:31 |
| sebsebseb | if brinigng desktops yes | Sep 07 18:32 |
| sebsebseb | if lap tops maybe not | Sep 07 18:32 |
| iophk | Yes maybe these days it is all laptops. But there will be switches and cables, I expect. | Sep 07 18:32 |
| sebsebseb | I gues the after party can be tea and coffee and biscuts to :d I mean I went had a meal there | Sep 07 18:32 |
| sebsebseb | we had alchole ,but we still got offered tea or cofee later and some kind of biscuit :d | Sep 07 18:32 |
| sebsebseb | I think need some sort of food at the end for after party ideally, even if just pizza or crisps or something | Sep 07 18:33 |
| sebsebseb | for purchase | Sep 07 18:33 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: an hour isnt' much for a social | Sep 07 18:34 |
| sebsebseb | two hours isn't that much either | Sep 07 18:34 |
| sebsebseb | 8pm to 11pm after party I am thinking, people will probably leave before 11 most of them though | Sep 07 18:34 |
| iophk | It might be enough | Sep 07 18:35 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: will have to dsicuss all this with other event organisers, but yeah this sounds good to me | Sep 07 18:35 |
| iophk | Better to end before people are worn out | Sep 07 18:35 |
| sebsebseb | maybe go on after 8pm a bit | Sep 07 18:35 |
| sebsebseb | to finnish off some installs | Sep 07 18:35 |
| sebsebseb | and to start tidying up of course | Sep 07 18:35 |
| sebsebseb | and then open the bar when the room is tidyed up enough? | Sep 07 18:36 |
| iophk | Yeah | Sep 07 18:36 |
| sebsebseb | can still finnish off some remaining installs in there though | Sep 07 18:36 |
| iophk | I'm not sure that mixes. | Sep 07 18:36 |
| iophk | You'll still need the net for an install | Sep 07 18:37 |
| iophk | That means at least one switch and the cables | Sep 07 18:37 |
| iophk | and the local repos | Sep 07 18:37 |
| sebsebseb | hmm true yeah, if doing it that way | Sep 07 18:37 |
| iophk | the local repos can be on a notebook though | Sep 07 18:37 |
| iophk | You have 2 groups to reach. | Sep 07 18:37 |
| sebsebseb | 2 groups ? | Sep 07 18:37 |
| iophk | One group is obviously those that want help getting an install done. | Sep 07 18:38 |
| iophk | The other group is anyone merely curious to see what is avaiable | Sep 07 18:38 |
| sebsebseb | others is ones who may want to take a Live USB? | Sep 07 18:38 |
| iophk | There should be people to see the demos only. | Sep 07 18:38 |
| iophk | Yes, they could take a live USB or a live DVD | Sep 07 18:38 |
| sebsebseb | and stickers and yeah | Sep 07 18:38 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: true some hotel guets may come along for example | Sep 07 18:38 |
| sebsebseb | who didn't really know about it | Sep 07 18:39 |
| sebsebseb | so didn't have their computer along | Sep 07 18:39 |
| sebsebseb | ,but may still be interestd in taking something | Sep 07 18:39 |
| iophk | Think of it as part showcase. | Sep 07 18:39 |
| iophk | Show off what FOSS can do. | Sep 07 18:39 |
| sebsebseb | yep indeed :) | Sep 07 18:39 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: that's also why it needs to be at a suitable venue | Sep 07 18:40 |
| sebsebseb | I think a univeristy or colelge not souch a good idae peole will think it's for students | Sep 07 18:40 |
| iophk | I guess so | Sep 07 18:40 |
| sebsebseb | if we have to aim the event at the poor, becasue of some sponswer/funder, I don't think that's that good either really | Sep 07 18:40 |
| sebsebseb | FOSS is for everyone! | Sep 07 18:40 |
| iophk | It depends on how tight that college is with the business community. | Sep 07 18:40 |
| iophk | In some places there is a lot of crossover | Sep 07 18:40 |
| sebsebseb | ,but this isn't aimed at hte businses community | Sep 07 18:40 |
| sebsebseb | well is to some extnet | Sep 07 18:40 |
| sebsebseb | it's aimed at average people you know | Sep 07 18:41 |
| sebsebseb | the kind of people who walk down the street, that's who it is aimed at! | Sep 07 18:41 |
| sebsebseb | the average consumer etc | Sep 07 18:41 |
| iophk | You'll also need a zero-tolerance policy for Windows problems and Windows talk. | Sep 07 18:41 |
| iophk | There might be some tha twill try to turn the conversation into free Windows support. | Sep 07 18:42 |
| sebsebseb | well one guy thinks we should only do single boots | Sep 07 18:42 |
| iophk | Single boot is the way to go if you can. | Sep 07 18:42 |
| sebsebseb | and maybe a dual boot in some situations | Sep 07 18:42 |
| iophk | dual boot can lead to fiddling with Windows which is a waste of time. | Sep 07 18:42 |
| sebsebseb | yep exactly | Sep 07 18:42 |
| sebsebseb | unless they have a very speicival program that they really need | Sep 07 18:42 |
| sebsebseb | and there is no proper alternative | Sep 07 18:42 |
| iophk | I've seen a few student projects sabotaged that way (not dual boot though) | Sep 07 18:43 |
| sebsebseb | ,but no in 99% of cases that won't be Adobe Photoshop or any of that CS5 or whatever stuff for example | Sep 07 18:43 |
| sebsebseb | plus people who actsauly need that | Sep 07 18:43 |
| iophk | I'd first see if WINE works for them | Sep 07 18:43 |
| sebsebseb | plus people who astauly need that stuff, usauly are reaonsbly technical anyway | Sep 07 18:43 |
| sebsebseb | I think it's ok to try some Windwos software in Wine, and explain how it depensd, it's hitt and miss, it's about luck | Sep 07 18:43 |
| sebsebseb | a program running in Wine, will to them look like a native Linux app, once used | Sep 07 18:44 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: main thing is doing a OS switc that's the point | Sep 07 18:44 |
| sebsebseb | if that means running a few Windows programs in Wine or for the time being though, so be it | Sep 07 18:44 |
| iophk | Yes, the base OS is Linux | Sep 07 18:45 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: also don't really want to be setting up Windows virtual machines there, but that's another way to get Windows stuff working | Sep 07 18:45 |
| sebsebseb | I guess can mention that | Sep 07 18:45 |
| sebsebseb | ,but no time to set one up :d | Sep 07 18:45 |
| sebsebseb | doing Linux | Sep 07 18:45 |
| sebsebseb | can metnion that with erason | Sep 07 18:46 |
| sebsebseb | what aws that about student projects? | Sep 07 18:47 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: ? | Sep 07 18:47 |
| iophk | I've seen several torpedoed by getting distracted by Windows problems even if Windows should not play a role | Sep 07 18:48 |
| sebsebseb | oh | Sep 07 18:48 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I guess should be clear about that in the introduction | Sep 07 18:48 |
| iophk | It has infinite problems | Sep 07 18:48 |
| sebsebseb | not doing WIndows installs.... | Sep 07 18:48 |
| sebsebseb | we are diong this, but not doing this, but might do this with good reason kind of thing or wahtever | Sep 07 18:48 |
| iophk | and any of them can easily expand to consume the time available. | Sep 07 18:48 |
| iophk | We do one thing for you with windows, we help you erase it. | Sep 07 18:48 |
| sebsebseb | yep true once doing stuff with Windows | Sep 07 18:48 |
| sebsebseb | it can take hours to | Sep 07 18:48 |
| sebsebseb | sort things out when things go wrong | Sep 07 18:49 |
| iophk | and then it's too late in the day to start a Linux install | Sep 07 18:49 |
| sebsebseb | yep | Sep 07 18:49 |
| iophk | Linux with a local repo can get installed in 10 minutes | Sep 07 18:49 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: maybe should make that clear in the talk though, the reasoning etc, and explain t hat we don't hate Micrsofot or something you know | Sep 07 18:49 |
| iophk | I have heard that Windows takes hours. | Sep 07 18:49 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: it's just we know the alternative software is generally better for most people, and so our doing thei nstall fest | Sep 07 18:50 |
| iophk | Nah. Just not mention it and change the topic when it is brought up | Sep 07 18:50 |
| sebsebseb | with Windows it's uhmm isntall, do service pack etc uh | Sep 07 18:50 |
| sebsebseb | loads of securit yupdates etc | Sep 07 18:50 |
| sebsebseb | yep hours | Sep 07 18:50 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yep isngle boots | Sep 07 18:51 |
| sebsebseb | dual boot with very good reason | Sep 07 18:51 |
| sebsebseb | ,but usauly no | Sep 07 18:51 |
| sebsebseb | and hopefly no WIndows 8 machines :d or not so many | Sep 07 18:51 |
| sebsebseb | got messa round with UEFI secure boot or whatever if that | Sep 07 18:51 |
| iophk | you'll have to be prepared for UEFI | Sep 07 18:51 |
| sebsebseb | some people going ot have to say no to I guess, depending on there set ups etc | Sep 07 18:52 |
| sebsebseb | and what they want to do, and so on | Sep 07 18:52 |
| iophk | that's one barrier that M$ has put in place for novices | Sep 07 18:52 |
| MinceR | "this is uefi. go buy a real computer." :> | Sep 07 18:52 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: well I guess just disable in the settings hopefuly | Sep 07 18:52 |
| iophk | buy a real computer or a I taze you again | Sep 07 18:52 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 07 18:52 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: and get back the old BIOS settings, and put on Linux distor? | Sep 07 18:52 |
| sebsebseb | it's dual oboting where it will be come more comoplex | Sep 07 18:52 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: also don't want to leave peple comety in the dark once installed, what if htey want support? | Sep 07 18:53 |
| sebsebseb | can show them online stuff, but may want to come back to us hmm? | Sep 07 18:53 |
| sebsebseb | of course with a Linux distro, it geenrally works well :) unless they want to run stupid WIndows apps | Sep 07 18:53 |
| iophk | Is there a local linux shop that you can point for paid support? I'd include an overview of the appropriate forums when showing users their new systems | Sep 07 18:54 |
| sebsebseb | nope no local Linux shop around here it seems | Sep 07 18:54 |
| iophk | Maybe walk them through getting a login and helping them not be afraid to post questions. | Sep 07 18:54 |
| sebsebseb | yes wa going to show them onlien support options :) | Sep 07 18:54 |
| iophk | Online support is a foreign concept for Windows users. | Sep 07 18:55 |
| sebsebseb | IRC, forum, wiki's, maybe even mailing lists? | Sep 07 18:55 |
| iophk | IRC is a waste of time but wikis and especially forums are good. | Sep 07 18:55 |
| sebsebseb | so is an alternative OS unless it's say Androdi pre installed on the phone they bought | Sep 07 18:55 |
| sebsebseb | or a Mac | Sep 07 18:55 |
| sebsebseb | IRC can be a waste of time depends | Sep 07 18:55 |
| iophk | There is LinuxQuestions.org but I suppose various distros have their own | Sep 07 18:55 |
| sebsebseb | can be rather useful to | Sep 07 18:55 |
| sebsebseb | Mageia is on Linuxquestions.org to I think | Sep 07 18:55 |
| sebsebseb | as a kind of like offical non Magiea forum section or whatever | Sep 07 18:56 |
| iophk | cool | Sep 07 18:56 |
| sebsebseb | since they asked about that before LInuxquestions and yeah | Sep 07 18:56 |
| sebsebseb | something got sorted out | Sep 07 18:56 |
| sebsebseb | with LInuxquesiotns.org I can't log back into my old account from 2005/4 | Sep 07 18:56 |
| iophk | So is Mageia with XFCE on the menu? | Sep 07 18:56 |
| sebsebseb | when I looked before my old posts were still there | Sep 07 18:56 |
| iophk | for the insall? | Sep 07 18:56 |
| sebsebseb | sadly only from the classical install media where can select other de's such as XFCE, or get it later from the repo's | Sep 07 18:57 |
| iophk | do you have your old mail address still, that would do a password reset for you | Sep 07 18:57 |
| sebsebseb | ,but the XFCE implementaiton looks rather nice same for LXDE | Sep 07 18:57 |
| sebsebseb | linuxquesitons.org under a competly diffenet one I think | Sep 07 18:57 |
| sebsebseb | that don't have access to | Sep 07 18:57 |
| sebsebseb | I don't use forums anyway :d | Sep 07 18:57 |
| sebsebseb | anymore | Sep 07 18:57 |
| sebsebseb | except to read sometimes | Sep 07 18:57 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: Mageia 4 is getting Mate and Cinnamon :) | Sep 07 18:58 |
| sebsebseb | already has those in development | Sep 07 18:58 |
| sebsebseb | which is also why it's going to be in March one of the reasons, I am waiting for the Mageia 4 final release :) | Sep 07 18:58 |
| sebsebseb | that should be ready at the end of Janruary, but won't be public untill 1st Februrary for FOSDEM | Sep 07 18:58 |
| sebsebseb | alpha 2 released yesterday | Sep 07 18:58 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: distros we will have this probably. Mageia 4 :), Ubuntu 13.10, Mint version based on Ubuntu, and Open Suse | Sep 07 19:00 |
| iophk | Please no Suse | Sep 07 19:00 |
| sebsebseb | and maybe some PUppy Linux or whatever there to just in case htat's theo nly way certian computers can go LInux :d | Sep 07 19:00 |
| iophk | The others are great | Sep 07 19:00 |
| sebsebseb | yeah I don't really use Open Suse myself, but | Sep 07 19:00 |
| sebsebseb | there's a guy from the LUG who does and he's also going to help orgnaise the event, and I think he would want Open Suse really | Sep 07 19:01 |
| iophk | http://techrights.org/2013/07/06/microsoft-in-linux/ | Sep 07 19:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | techrights.org | Novell/SUSE is Microsoft in Linux | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/ejw9u ] | Sep 07 19:01 |
| sebsebseb | and yes I know about the Suse and Attachmate and Microsoft stuff | Sep 07 19:01 |
| sebsebseb | ,but Open Suse is the community version | Sep 07 19:01 |
| sebsebseb | it's like Fedora, instead of the enteprise ones | Sep 07 19:01 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: Open Suse is still better than Windows | Sep 07 19:01 |
| iophk | Yes, but there are still better options for an install fest. | Sep 07 19:02 |
| sebsebseb | yep Mageia 4 | Sep 07 19:02 |
| sebsebseb | and even Ubuntu I guess | Sep 07 19:02 |
| iophk | If the question were an either-or dilemma between Windows and (Open)Suse then it can ride. | Sep 07 19:02 |
| iophk | But when the choice is from the best, why not choose the best. | Sep 07 19:02 |
| sebsebseb | what was that? | Sep 07 19:02 |
| sebsebseb | Ubuntu isnt' really the best | Sep 07 19:03 |
| sebsebseb | ,but it is for those thatl ike Unity | Sep 07 19:03 |
| sebsebseb | and it's aimed at non technical people | Sep 07 19:03 |
| sebsebseb | well let's see if non technical peole really do like Unity, at this event then :d | Sep 07 19:03 |
| sebsebseb | persoanlly I don't think there's much point with Mint either, if going with Ubuntu | Sep 07 19:03 |
| iophk | Yes, it will be interesting to see what people choose if they are making their choices based on what they see at the demo stations. | Sep 07 19:04 |
| sebsebseb | what's the point in Mint, Ubuntu can run Cinnamon and Mate, and so can Mageia 4 etc | Sep 07 19:04 |
| iophk | Remember to clean mono from Mint | Sep 07 19:04 |
| iophk | last I checked it was infected. | Sep 07 19:04 |
| sebsebseb | uhmm say what you want to this, but uhmm Banshee is good so is F-spot tere are good alternatives though | Sep 07 19:04 |
| MinceR | or just use crunchbang, that is not infected | Sep 07 19:04 |
| sebsebseb | Mint has like hardly any point at all now really | Sep 07 19:04 |
| iophk | How is #! for regular users? | Sep 07 19:04 |
| MinceR | like debian, but with saner defaults | Sep 07 19:05 |
| sebsebseb | Mate and Cinnamon in other distros | Sep 07 19:05 |
| sebsebseb | codecs easy to put into Ubunt uand other distros most of them easy enough realy | Sep 07 19:05 |
| sebsebseb | Mint orignally made codecs easy to isntall with Ubuntu, then became a Unity haters distro and such really | Sep 07 19:05 |
| sebsebseb | loads of the former Ubuntu users who dislike Unity went Mint | Sep 07 19:06 |
| iophk | I thought Unity was the cause of the rise in popularity of XFCE? | Sep 07 19:06 |
| MinceR | it probably contributed to it | Sep 07 19:06 |
| MinceR | along with gnome3 and kde4 | Sep 07 19:06 |
| sebsebseb | this older guy only wanted three distros really, well how about this then? Mageia 4, Ubuntu, and uhmmm uh is ther eany point having a 3rd? :d | Sep 07 19:06 |
| sebsebseb | maybe PC Linux OS would maek a nice 3rd :) | Sep 07 19:07 |
| iophk | Two might be enough | Sep 07 19:07 |
| sebsebseb | also really with Mint for examle what is shown | Sep 07 19:07 |
| sebsebseb | green? | Sep 07 19:07 |
| sebsebseb | I mean Mate and CInmaon can be shown in Mageia 4 :) | Sep 07 19:07 |
| sebsebseb | with Ubuntu I think should show them Unity and that's about it really | Sep 07 19:07 |
| sebsebseb | if people are going for Ubuntu, they should like Unity, I mean | Sep 07 19:07 |
| sebsebseb | if they want KDE or XFCE or LXDE or whatever, they should run it in say Mageia 4 instead really :) | Sep 07 19:08 |
| sebsebseb | unless they want the software centre maybe | Sep 07 19:08 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: newbies will go on look, and not really care about hte rest | Sep 07 19:08 |
| sebsebseb | they should pick UBuntu only really if they like Unity I think | Sep 07 19:08 |
| iophk | That's why the demo machines are good. | Sep 07 19:09 |
| sebsebseb | however might be worth haing kubuntu and what not instaled, onto the ubuntu one anyway hmm | Sep 07 19:09 |
| iophk | Describing the systems has no effect on noobs. | Sep 07 19:09 |
| iophk | They also don't get that non-Unity systems can be customized. | Sep 07 19:09 |
| sebsebseb | ,but if someone doesn't like Unity | Sep 07 19:09 |
| sebsebseb | they shoudn't realy be using Ubuntu now | Sep 07 19:09 |
| sebsebseb | that's my opinion | Sep 07 19:09 |
| iophk | Back in the day, customization of the desktop was a status symbol. | Sep 07 19:09 |
| sebsebseb | unless they are going ot buy stuff from the software centre for example | Sep 07 19:10 |
| iophk | Xubuntu and co are not bad. | Sep 07 19:10 |
| sebsebseb | yes, but my point is may as well run XFCE etc in another dsitro, unless, what I put above | Sep 07 19:10 |
| sebsebseb | altough GNOME Shell Remix can be useful | Sep 07 19:10 |
| sebsebseb | depends | Sep 07 19:10 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: they won't undersatnd that can run the same de's usauly in like all the distros though | Sep 07 19:10 |
| sebsebseb | with the exception of Unity | Sep 07 19:10 |
| sebsebseb | which is tighed to Ubuntu realy | Sep 07 19:11 |
| iophk | Gnome has outlived its purpose | Sep 07 19:11 |
| iophk | http://www.kde.org/community/whatiskde/kdefreeqtfoundation.php | Sep 07 19:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.kde.org | KDE - KDE Free Qt Foundation [ http://ur1.ca/37p40 ] | Sep 07 19:11 |
| sebsebseb | so that's the thing what to show on the demo computers? | Sep 07 19:11 |
| sebsebseb | also all Open Suse would be doing is showing KDE or GNOEM as well like Mageia | Sep 07 19:11 |
| iophk | I'd show Mageia with XFCE, Ubuntu with Unity, and maybe Mageia with Mate | Sep 07 19:12 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: to them itw ould look like the same thing or pretty much | Sep 07 19:12 |
| sebsebseb | if seeing it in both distros | Sep 07 19:12 |
| iophk | I'd only have one machine per DE | Sep 07 19:12 |
| iophk | regardless of distro | Sep 07 19:12 |
| sebsebseb | I was thinking more have a Magie instlal with Mate, Cinmaon, KDE, GNOME, XFCE, and LXDE isntalled, maybe even enlightment | Sep 07 19:12 |
| sebsebseb | explain peopel can switch betwen and how | Sep 07 19:12 |
| sebsebseb | and let them play :) | Sep 07 19:12 |
| sebsebseb | and could do the same for Ubuntu really as well and Minto r whatever iis there, but also explain which ones are the like default or major ones for the parituclr distros | Sep 07 19:13 |
| iophk | If you have KDE, I'd recommend having at least two tricked out accounts to show how customizable it is. | Sep 07 19:13 |
| sebsebseb | so KDE and GNOME for Mageia, and Unity for Ubuntu | Sep 07 19:13 |
| iophk | Really I can't emphasize enough how little people get customization these days. | Sep 07 19:13 |
| sebsebseb | tricked out? customised you mean ? | Sep 07 19:13 |
| sebsebseb | yeah with KDE can show background changer slides shows and what not | Sep 07 19:13 |
| iophk | KDE and XFCE for Mageia (see Gnome comment above) and Unity for Ubuntu | Sep 07 19:14 |
| sebsebseb | with GNOEM as well, can show a default, but also an account with some extensions for exmaple or something :) | Sep 07 19:14 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: GNOME for Mageia as well :) | Sep 07 19:14 |
| sebsebseb | I like GNOME | Sep 07 19:14 |
| iophk | I thought that 's what mate was about? | Sep 07 19:14 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: and like it or not might get aOpen Suse there as well hmm | Sep 07 19:14 |
| sebsebseb | depending on that guy etc | Sep 07 19:14 |
| sebsebseb | thing is it's easy tog et open suse stuff from stands, probably would send a load for an instal fest to | Sep 07 19:14 |
| iophk | That gets them hooked on M$ own Linux | Sep 07 19:15 |
| sebsebseb | could have Mint there to, showing Mate and Cinnamon | Sep 07 19:15 |
| sebsebseb | basically main message to get across is that it's nearly all the same software | Sep 07 19:15 |
| sebsebseb | and here are some of the options | Sep 07 19:15 |
| sebsebseb | they are all Linux distributions | Sep 07 19:15 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: altough he did say before, that he would be happy with whatever distro | Sep 07 19:16 |
| iophk | People usually just want to look at their photos, send e-mail and surf the web. | Sep 07 19:16 |
| sebsebseb | I am starting to think we only really need Ubuntu and Mageia though :d | Sep 07 19:16 |
| sebsebseb | and that's two OS's not more than one | Sep 07 19:16 |
| iophk | Two is simpler than three. | Sep 07 19:16 |
| sebsebseb | with Ubuntu if showing Unity right ok good :) | Sep 07 19:16 |
| sebsebseb | can explain how it can also run KDE and such, but show it in Mageia ? | Sep 07 19:16 |
| iophk | You could have two distros for install with two demos each, for for demo stations | Sep 07 19:17 |
| sebsebseb | or that there's Mint which whatever and might install that instead of Ubuntu in some cases? | Sep 07 19:17 |
| iophk | *four | Sep 07 19:17 |
| sebsebseb | yep can have a demo computer with more than one distro on it as well if that's what you mean | Sep 07 19:17 |
| iophk | I was thinking 2 or 3 with Mageia and 1 with Ubuntu | Sep 07 19:17 |
| iophk | the Mageia ones would each have a different DE | Sep 07 19:18 |
| iophk | but all 4 would have the same apps | Sep 07 19:18 |
| sebsebseb | or could do like | Sep 07 19:18 |
| iophk | for Ubuntu you will have to fix the search so that there is a modicum of privacy. | Sep 07 19:18 |
| sebsebseb | or could do one computer for each DE with all beign showin in Mageia | Sep 07 19:18 |
| sebsebseb | with the excepton of Unity where it's Ubuntu ? | Sep 07 19:18 |
| iophk | I saw a privacy remix of Ubuntu but it's easy enough to turn off upon first boot. | Sep 07 19:18 |
| sebsebseb | or could mention how there's that feature | Sep 07 19:19 |
| sebsebseb | whist promting Mgeia heh heh | Sep 07 19:19 |
| sebsebseb | this is popualr as well but..... | Sep 07 19:19 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yeah I think two otpons is easier than three | Sep 07 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | two distros | Sep 07 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | otherwise ti confsues, how can that other distro, run the same thing as this one? | Sep 07 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | how can that other one, run the same interface as that one? | Sep 07 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | plus it will all look the same to them realy, except for slight differences maybe, I mean show them KDE in Mageia ro Kubuntu for example, and it will look the same or pretty much | Sep 07 19:21 |
| iophk | yes you want to present as simple choices as possible. | Sep 07 19:21 |
| sebsebseb | really even LXCE and XFCE would look slimilar, but yeah | Sep 07 19:21 |
| iophk | If you have 2 KDE demos, you could have 5 stations | Sep 07 19:21 |
| iophk | XFCE and LXDE are similar enough in their defaults that it is not worth havig both | Sep 07 19:21 |
| sebsebseb | Open Suse if having that could be another KDE and GNOME demo | Sep 07 19:21 |
| iophk | LXDE is less easily customizable though | Sep 07 19:22 |
| sebsebseb | or could have LXDE and XFCE on the same computer | Sep 07 19:22 |
| sebsebseb | they can switch betwen, see if hte notice a differnece? | Sep 07 19:22 |
| iophk | Another reason to have 2 distros is that you will need to set up two local repos | Sep 07 19:22 |
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| iophk | if you have a 3rd distro, you will need a 3rd repo | Sep 07 19:22 |
| sebsebseb | yep indeed | Sep 07 19:22 |
| sebsebseb | which makes stuff more complex | Sep 07 19:22 |
| sebsebseb | however we could give out Live USBs' etc for more than on distro ? | Sep 07 19:23 |
| sebsebseb | even if nto installign that | Sep 07 19:23 |
| iophk | brb | Sep 07 19:24 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: is enlightmetn worth showing maybe? | Sep 07 19:25 |
| sebsebseb | I mean it looks flashey ? | Sep 07 19:25 |
| sebsebseb | migh end up doing a dual boot at the event | Sep 07 19:26 |
| sebsebseb | Mageia and Ubuntu :D | Sep 07 19:26 |
| sebsebseb | people might want both distros | Sep 07 19:26 |
| iophk | I'm not sure you want to get into the pure Window Managers | Sep 07 19:51 |
| iophk | that's more confusion for the new user | Sep 07 19:51 |
| sebsebseb | true enlightimgint is mainly a wm | Sep 07 19:51 |
| sebsebseb | main thing to show is, GNOME, KDE, Unity, and XFCE and/or LXDE | Sep 07 19:52 |
| iophk | I'd trim it even more: KDEx2, Unity and XFCE, maybe Mate | Sep 07 19:52 |
| iophk | or Cinammon | Sep 07 19:52 |
| iophk | Having a simple menu will help the beginners | Sep 07 19:53 |
| iophk | If you have some power users show up, then you can talk Window Managers | Sep 07 19:53 |
| iophk | When things are new, they are easily overwhelming | Sep 07 19:54 |
| iophk | With things that are very new, it is not possible to know which details to ignore, etc. | Sep 07 19:54 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: that's why it's better to just go wit two distros I think | Sep 07 19:55 |
| sebsebseb | Mageia and Ubuntu for Unity | Sep 07 19:55 |
| iophk | +1 | Sep 07 19:56 |
| sebsebseb | there isn't a need to show another dsitro realy on the demo stations such as Mint or Open Suse | Sep 07 19:56 |
| sebsebseb | also there's no point as such showing KDE or whatever with Ubuntu, use Ubuntu to show Unity and the software centre, and that's it really | Sep 07 19:56 |
| sebsebseb | show the rest in Mgeia | Sep 07 19:56 |
| sebsebseb | Magiea | Sep 07 19:56 |
| iophk | Yes, that also helps clarify how distros are customized. | Sep 07 19:56 |
| sebsebseb | a older guy was like 3 OS's max, but I Think he meant more installs | Sep 07 19:56 |
| iophk | You can show that all 4 are Mageia. | Sep 07 19:56 |
| sebsebseb | for installs could do Mint or something like that to though | Sep 07 19:56 |
| iophk | then maybe someone will ask questions | Sep 07 19:57 |
| sebsebseb | don't need to show mint on the demo machines though | Sep 07 19:57 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yep I think that makes it simpler | Sep 07 19:58 |
| sebsebseb | show it all in Mageia | Sep 07 19:58 |
| sebsebseb | except for Unity with Ubuntu | Sep 07 19:58 |
| sebsebseb | for demo machines | Sep 07 19:58 |
| sebsebseb | and then can have whatever Live USB's there to, that people can boot up on their own computers anwyay | Sep 07 19:58 |
| sebsebseb | don't need to show everything that we might install in fact, on the demo machines | Sep 07 19:58 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: ideally demo machines should be near the install area though I think | Sep 07 19:59 |
| iophk | near, but with an area for mixing | Sep 07 19:59 |
| sebsebseb | or make it so people can bring over lap tops at least | Sep 07 19:59 |
| iophk | It'll all be in the same room | Sep 07 19:59 |
| sebsebseb | I'll go in Mageia top be the Magie guy | Sep 07 19:59 |
| sebsebseb | so someone might want to have that installed by me, even if I am showing stuf to people on demo machines or somethign hmm | Sep 07 20:00 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: what about say install media for Fedora or whatever | Sep 07 20:00 |
| sebsebseb | is it worth having some LIve CD's for that maybe to? offical ones if can get that? | Sep 07 20:00 |
| iophk | Fedora would be good but maybe not for beginners | Sep 07 20:00 |
| sebsebseb | so basically people can stock up on LInux stuff whilst there as well? | Sep 07 20:00 |
| sebsebseb | that's what I mean, we are like saying no to Fedora for beginners | Sep 07 20:00 |
| iophk | It's a great distro but has some experimental characteristics | Sep 07 20:00 |
| sebsebseb | ,but maybe worth having some sort of Live CD that someome can take if they want it ? | Sep 07 20:00 |
| sebsebseb | of Fedora ? | Sep 07 20:00 |
| sebsebseb | for eample | Sep 07 20:00 |
| iophk | I'm not sure. | Sep 07 20:01 |
| iophk | Maybe some kind of help for people that want to set up a live USB stick | Sep 07 20:01 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: if showing KDE in say Mageia and say Open Suse that could confuse | Sep 07 20:02 |
| sebsebseb | people might think then, which one to go for? Mageia or Open Suse? | Sep 07 20:02 |
| iophk | exactly | Sep 07 20:02 |
| sebsebseb | same thing for say Mate if done with Mageia and Mint | Sep 07 20:02 |
| iophk | limit the choice to the "import" issues like DE | Sep 07 20:02 |
| sebsebseb | with Unity it's easy enough, no you have to use this other one Ubuntu, because the other distros don't support Unity for various technical and polotical reasons | Sep 07 20:02 |
| iophk | Right Unity == Ubuntu | Sep 07 20:03 |
| sebsebseb | import issues? important ? | Sep 07 20:03 |
| sebsebseb | == means equals ? | Sep 07 20:03 |
| iophk | choice of DE is the most important for the beginner | Sep 07 20:03 |
| sebsebseb | yep | Sep 07 20:03 |
| iophk | it's the part of the system they actually interact with | Sep 07 20:03 |
| sebsebseb | more so than distros in fact | Sep 07 20:03 |
| sebsebseb | the de choice is more imoprtant than the distro choice in general | Sep 07 20:03 |
| iophk | the underlying OS could be anything | Sep 07 20:03 |
| sebsebseb | yes I think that's the way to do it | Sep 07 20:04 |
| sebsebseb | Mageia and Ubuntu | Sep 07 20:04 |
| sebsebseb | and that's what we install to | Sep 07 20:04 |
| sebsebseb | unless really got to give someone Puppy or something, because there computer is to old, but no showing that on the demo machines | Sep 07 20:04 |
| iophk | You could do everything on just ubuntu, but that won't get the idea across that there are different distros | Sep 07 20:04 |
| iophk | and that it is OK to try another distro | Sep 07 20:05 |
| sebsebseb | yep exactly | Sep 07 20:05 |
| sebsebseb | and that also distros can run more than one de | Sep 07 20:05 |
| iophk | two is the bare minimum to get that idea across | Sep 07 20:05 |
| sebsebseb | or interface as they would see it | Sep 07 20:05 |
| iophk | yes | Sep 07 20:05 |
| sebsebseb | could have something else installed on the Ubuntu machine as well though such as Kubuntu though just to like prove that yes it can run that stuff to | Sep 07 20:05 |
| iophk | again there is the set up issue with the repos. A third distro would mean a third repo on the LAN/WLAN | Sep 07 20:05 |
| sebsebseb | if someone doesn't quite belive it or something | Sep 07 20:05 |
| sebsebseb | yes exactly and makes it easier to only deal with two | Sep 07 20:06 |
| sebsebseb | like that | Sep 07 20:06 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: it feels ages away | Sep 07 20:07 |
| sebsebseb | the in perosn meeting about stuff | Sep 07 20:07 |
| sebsebseb | Tuesday 17th | Sep 07 20:07 |
| sebsebseb | 10 days away | Sep 07 20:07 |
| sebsebseb | I could send a email to others about this idea, or I just wait and talk in person about it hmm | Sep 07 20:07 |
| sebsebseb | plus one of them the older guy, is going away tommorow for a week | Sep 07 20:08 |
| iophk | If you want to start right away, e-mail is the way to go. | Sep 07 20:08 |
| sebsebseb | well we been doing emails here and there | Sep 07 20:08 |
| sebsebseb | ,but the idea is to have a in perosn meeting about stuff | Sep 07 20:08 |
| sebsebseb | on the 17th | Sep 07 20:08 |
| iophk | You can make the proposal in e-mail and hash out the details in person | Sep 07 20:08 |
| sebsebseb | yeah exactly | Sep 07 20:09 |
| sebsebseb | I am thinking of doing that | Sep 07 20:09 |
| sebsebseb | same thing for the room etc something about the set up etc | Sep 07 20:09 |
| sebsebseb | which remins me again, I was going to give you the size of the room | Sep 07 20:09 |
| sebsebseb | so whatever about naturla day light right, it's near the reception yep and it's got a in built 6 feet screen with a projector on the cielign | Sep 07 20:10 |
| sebsebseb | dvd and audio in room, can fiit 100 peole theater sytle yeah yeah | Sep 07 20:11 |
| sebsebseb | and it's | Sep 07 20:11 |
| sebsebseb | 19.8 x 7 m | Sep 07 20:11 |
| sebsebseb | quite big yeah? | Sep 07 20:11 |
| iophk | Yeah, | Sep 07 20:11 |
| sebsebseb | the price is awesome to, if it's true what I was told it got reduced from | Sep 07 20:12 |
| iophk | how many is it designed to hold? | Sep 07 20:12 |
| sebsebseb | it can do 100 people sitting down theater style with front projection | Sep 07 20:12 |
| iophk | so that's maybe 50 standing | Sep 07 20:12 |
| sebsebseb | and a bit of space by the projecter etc | Sep 07 20:12 |
| sebsebseb | it seems | Sep 07 20:12 |
| sebsebseb | there's also the lounge outside though | Sep 07 20:12 |
| sebsebseb | on the photo I got it doesn't look like the one I had before | Sep 07 20:13 |
| iophk | The projector can have a running show advertising the capabilities of various popular and desireable apps | Sep 07 20:13 |
| sebsebseb | yep indeed and I already thought of that already and put in my email | Sep 07 20:13 |
| sebsebseb | can show de's on it and such | Sep 07 20:13 |
| sebsebseb | 50 people standing you say, including tables chairs etc? | Sep 07 20:14 |
| sebsebseb | equipment ? | Sep 07 20:14 |
| iophk | blender, firefox, sylpheed / thunderbird | Sep 07 20:14 |
| iophk | equipment - LAN stuff | Sep 07 20:14 |
| iophk | power cables | Sep 07 20:14 |
| sebsebseb | so you think 50 in that room, once all set up ? | Sep 07 20:14 |
| iophk | yes just a guess | Sep 07 20:14 |
| sebsebseb | should be ok | Sep 07 20:14 |
| sebsebseb | with a lounge outside as well | Sep 07 20:15 |
| sebsebseb | use that area for registration and to give out some stickers and cd's etc | Sep 07 20:15 |
| sebsebseb | I guess | Sep 07 20:15 |
| sebsebseb | 50 people including us though wasn't it? | Sep 07 20:16 |
| iophk | with 5 staff that will be 1 for demos/reception and 4 for isntalls | Sep 07 20:16 |
| sebsebseb | and a lot of people | Sep 07 20:16 |
| sebsebseb | hpefuly an get a few more volunteers :) | Sep 07 20:16 |
| iophk | any anticipation of what kind of special cases might turn up? | Sep 07 20:17 |
| iophk | wireless is a problem on Linux | Sep 07 20:17 |
| sebsebseb | speical cases uhmm Windows 8 machines | Sep 07 20:17 |
| sebsebseb | UEFI secure boot ? | Sep 07 20:17 |
| sebsebseb | maybe some Macs even ? | Sep 07 20:17 |
| iophk | any more? | Sep 07 20:17 |
| iophk | macs are easy | Sep 07 20:17 |
| sebsebseb | are they? I haven't installed LInux onto a Mac before | Sep 07 20:17 |
| iophk | though the wireless is a problem for macs, at least the new ones | Sep 07 20:17 |
| sebsebseb | also I thought they needed smoething speical done to them | Sep 07 20:17 |
| sebsebseb | yeah well may have to send some people away | Sep 07 20:18 |
| sebsebseb | or say can't just do that | Sep 07 20:18 |
| sebsebseb | anwyay if I had Mac OS X, I would probably keep that on it, of course might as a geek try and put Linux on to | Sep 07 20:18 |
| sebsebseb | ,but for a non technical person, OS X isn't so bad really, ok it's propritary, but in general I mean | Sep 07 20:18 |
| sebsebseb | an compared to Windows :d | Sep 07 20:18 |
| iophk | Dual boot works on OS X if you partition before installing it. | Sep 07 20:18 |
| iophk | Then you also need rEFIt | Sep 07 20:18 |
| sebsebseb | 50 eople stnading up | Sep 07 20:19 |
| sebsebseb | a table for demo comptuers? | Sep 07 20:19 |
| sebsebseb | a table for installs ? | Sep 07 20:19 |
| sebsebseb | how many tables? | Sep 07 20:19 |
| iophk | how many fit? | Sep 07 20:19 |
| sebsebseb | don't know, but saw a photo they sent me | Sep 07 20:19 |
| sebsebseb | looks quite big from that photo | Sep 07 20:19 |
| sebsebseb | I think can also use the lounge for installs, lap tops anyway | Sep 07 20:20 |
| iophk | As mentioned, I'd consider having a row against the wall with demos, then a double aisle, then a row of install tables (at right angle to the demos) and then a narrow aisle | Sep 07 20:20 |
| sebsebseb | if nessarey | Sep 07 20:20 |
| iophk | you want breathing space around the installs | Sep 07 20:20 |
| sebsebseb | yeah for lap tops can do them in the lounge if nessarey as well I think | Sep 07 20:20 |
| iophk | you want an open area of sorts in between the demos and the installs | Sep 07 20:20 |
| sebsebseb | or here's an idea, once people are done if having space issues | Sep 07 20:21 |
| sebsebseb | they can go out to the lounge with their newly set up computer :d | Sep 07 20:21 |
| sebsebseb | the lap tops I mean | Sep 07 20:21 |
| sebsebseb | desktops are a bit harder to carry etc, but that's something else, people carrying in and out their desktops? | Sep 07 20:21 |
| sebsebseb | going to need space to get out if that :d or in | Sep 07 20:22 |
| iophk | It's hard to know what people will bring | Sep 07 20:22 |
| sebsebseb | indeed | Sep 07 20:22 |
| iophk | old laptops as second computers are getting popular | Sep 07 20:22 |
| sebsebseb | I gues thats' there issue though to look after thier stuff | Sep 07 20:23 |
| iophk | there are a lot of refurbishment shops around that buy up from business and install linux and resell | Sep 07 20:23 |
| sebsebseb | carry in or out, make sure not kniced etc | Sep 07 20:23 |
| sebsebseb | not in this country it seems, for whaty ou just put | Sep 07 20:23 |
| sebsebseb | UK is very Windows, and then Mac | Sep 07 20:23 |
| iophk | if you have your own monitors people won't have to bring theirs but you'll need to have adapers | Sep 07 20:26 |
| iophk | vga is still common but people might turn up with hdmi | Sep 07 20:26 |
| iophk | or dvi | Sep 07 20:26 |
| sebsebseb | yeah indeed | Sep 07 20:26 |
| sebsebseb | not quite sure what computers will be used for demo machines at the moment either | Sep 07 20:26 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I got given a old one, that can put a hard disk in, and I guess that could be used | Sep 07 20:26 |
| sebsebseb | for example | Sep 07 20:26 |
| sebsebseb | I am thinking some lap tops for demos would be good though | Sep 07 20:27 |
| sebsebseb | easy to put in and take out etc | Sep 07 20:27 |
| sebsebseb | may want to lock them to the table with something though | Sep 07 20:27 |
| iophk | nailgun | Sep 07 20:28 |
| iophk | most come with some kind of lock point to fasten a cable, but it's been years and years since I've even seen such a cable | Sep 07 20:28 |
| sebsebseb | on the other hand if someome is keeping an eye on demos' etc all the time, may be ok | Sep 07 20:29 |
| sebsebseb | on the other hand, that person gets distracted by someone | Sep 07 20:29 |
| sebsebseb | and someone else knicks the computer | Sep 07 20:29 |
| sebsebseb | maybe | Sep 07 20:29 |
| iophk | anchor cables would prevent that | Sep 07 20:29 |
| sebsebseb | anchor like a sailing boat? | Sep 07 20:30 |
| iophk | no, to the hardpoint on the laptop or notebook | Sep 07 20:30 |
| sebsebseb | oh | Sep 07 20:30 |
| iophk | there is a standard shape but not a standard location | Sep 07 20:30 |
| sebsebseb | oh ok | Sep 07 20:30 |
| iophk | some it is on the left, other on the right, still others on the back | Sep 07 20:30 |
| iophk | I'm not sure where you could borrow them from at all | Sep 07 20:31 |
| sebsebseb | yeah may have to buy something for this | Sep 07 20:32 |
| sebsebseb | 50 or so oin the room at once right | Sep 07 20:32 |
| sebsebseb | and the lounge outside to and :) | Sep 07 20:32 |
| iophk | "kensington lock slot" might be the name of the hardpoint | Sep 07 20:32 |
| sebsebseb | 10am 11am event set up | Sep 07 20:33 |
| sebsebseb | mid day to 1pm or just before lunch for organissers | Sep 07 20:33 |
| sebsebseb | 1pm start | Sep 07 20:33 |
| sebsebseb | 8pm or so tidy up before the bar opens | Sep 07 20:33 |
| sebsebseb | 11pm or so bar shut, go home | Sep 07 20:33 |
| sebsebseb | like I sai earlier I have to check times with hotel etc, if going for them, but yeah | Sep 07 20:33 |
| iophk | where will you keep stuff while the bar is open? | Sep 07 20:33 |
| sebsebseb | well I should check that soon so I know | Sep 07 20:33 |
| iophk | It's hard to be in a bar if you have to drive | Sep 07 20:34 |
| sebsebseb | demonostration computers can be left in the room locked | Sep 07 20:34 |
| sebsebseb | untill we finnish I think and anything else like that | Sep 07 20:34 |
| iophk | Ok. The plan would be pack up and lock up. | Sep 07 20:34 |
| iophk | But leave stuff in the room | Sep 07 20:35 |
| sebsebseb | not sure can check with hotel, but may be able to just lock that room in fact to | Sep 07 20:35 |
| sebsebseb | the whole room | Sep 07 20:35 |
| sebsebseb | and just have the lounge at the end, then come back get the stuff, and go | Sep 07 20:35 |
| sebsebseb | or use that room to as somewhere more quit or something | Sep 07 20:35 |
| sebsebseb | won't be anything left in there though, except demonostration computers maybe I am thinking aome cables orsomethign | Sep 07 20:35 |
| sebsebseb | can take stuff to cars anyway surely, before bar? | Sep 07 20:36 |
| iophk | yes to the cars | Sep 07 20:36 |
| sebsebseb | the main event organiser gets a complimentary parking space to | Sep 07 20:36 |
| sebsebseb | now uhmm | Sep 07 20:36 |
| iophk | assuming the neihborhood is ok | Sep 07 20:36 |
| sebsebseb | I am the one who suggested the hotel etc, we haven't decided obviously | Sep 07 20:36 |
| sebsebseb | and I odn't drive, but may go with this other guy who's also going toh elp organise the event, so maybe in that case the space should be ours :d | Sep 07 20:37 |
| iophk | carpooling is a good option | Sep 07 20:37 |
| sebsebseb | I think it just means a free parking space, instead of paying though | Sep 07 20:37 |
| iophk | it will save also on parking costs | Sep 07 20:37 |
| sebsebseb | carpooling ? | Sep 07 20:37 |
| iophk | several people arriving in the same car | Sep 07 20:37 |
| sebsebseb | yeah thought you meant that | Sep 07 20:37 |
| sebsebseb | ,but what I am saying is the main orgnaiser gets a free space | Sep 07 20:37 |
| sebsebseb | where as everyone else would have to pay something | Sep 07 20:38 |
| sebsebseb | one guy lives around there anwyay it seems, so woudn't be going by car I guess | Sep 07 20:38 |
| sebsebseb | 1 x Complimentery car parking space for the main event organiser | Sep 07 20:38 |
| sebsebseb | not sure if that's me, but starting to look like I might become that or kind of | Sep 07 20:39 |
| sebsebseb | we were going to decide things like ta the meeting I think to or talk about it or whatever, but yeah | Sep 07 20:39 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: imaigne a fight over the free space | Sep 07 20:40 |
| sebsebseb | no no it was me, so it's mine, no no it should go to us since... | Sep 07 20:40 |
| sebsebseb | heh heh | Sep 07 20:40 |
| iophk | You might find an amenable way of pooling the costs | Sep 07 20:41 |
| sebsebseb | no I will go with this guy I am thinking of, or arrange other travel arrangements | Sep 07 20:42 |
| iophk | add the parking costs and divide by the number of organizers. | Sep 07 20:42 |
| sebsebseb | oh right I see hmm | Sep 07 20:42 |
| iophk | Or if there is loads of money in the budget, pay for the parking. | Sep 07 20:42 |
| iophk | or half of the parking | Sep 07 20:42 |
| sebsebseb | ,but one guy lives near | Sep 07 20:42 |
| sebsebseb | and I don't drive | Sep 07 20:42 |
| iophk | there's no solution that works 100% | Sep 07 20:42 |
| sebsebseb | I don't think will need to do that | Sep 07 20:43 |
| sebsebseb | I Think people who will need to pay for parking, will do that etc | Sep 07 20:43 |
| sebsebseb | just one of us will get a free space that's all | Sep 07 20:43 |
| iophk | draw lots to see which driver wins the free space? | Sep 07 20:45 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: earlier you were saying that would need water at least | Sep 07 20:45 |
| sebsebseb | well the room hire is inclusive of | Sep 07 20:45 |
| iophk | yes IMHO | Sep 07 20:45 |
| sebsebseb | Mineral water and sweets | Sep 07 20:45 |
| iophk | OK and they don't charge extra for that? | Sep 07 20:46 |
| sebsebseb | Stationery | Sep 07 20:46 |
| sebsebseb | VAT as well :) | Sep 07 20:46 |
| iophk | I was thinking some pitchers and glasses or plastic cups would suffice | Sep 07 20:46 |
| sebsebseb | Complimentary WIFI | Sep 07 20:46 |
| sebsebseb | Inbuilt 6ft screen and data projector, 2 x wall mounted plasma TVs, conference phone, PA system with one handheld microphone, DVD/CD Player with audio and flip chart | Sep 07 20:47 |
| sebsebseb | lounge area yeah | Sep 07 20:47 |
| iophk | Even if your LAN uses the wifi make sure it can work even when it is downö | Sep 07 20:47 |
| iophk | *down | Sep 07 20:47 |
| sebsebseb | yeah sure inclusive will mean not paying extra | Sep 07 20:47 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I am not sure if that means that all gusets will get water and sweets at least? | Sep 07 20:47 |
| iophk | good enough | Sep 07 20:47 |
| sebsebseb | not sure if the water and sweets is for everyone though | Sep 07 20:48 |
| sebsebseb | the wifi may just be the public shared one for all guets | Sep 07 20:48 |
| sebsebseb | not sure | Sep 07 20:48 |
| sebsebseb | when I was on phone it seems that's all they had really, maybe there is some other connection to though | Sep 07 20:48 |
| sebsebseb | I mean complimentary wifi uh right, but the one shared with all other guests to? hmm | Sep 07 20:48 |
| iophk | I can almost guarantee that it can't support the load of an installation, you'll need your own LAN with local repos | Sep 07 20:50 |
| iophk | the wifi might be ok for grabbing the occasional web page though | Sep 07 20:50 |
| iophk | I'd set up squid with transparent proxying | Sep 07 20:51 |
| iophk | that *might* help in some cases | Sep 07 20:51 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yep indeed that's basically waht I was like on the phone | Sep 07 20:52 |
| sebsebseb | we want good Intenret, and she was like we have.... | Sep 07 20:52 |
| sebsebseb | ,but exactly I dont' expect the wifi whatever is given, to be much good, except for loading up some webpages | Sep 07 20:52 |
| sebsebseb | and so that's all it should be used for really, loading up some webpages :) | Sep 07 20:52 |
| iophk | 54Mpbs is the theoretical maximum | Sep 07 20:52 |
| sebsebseb | people generally complain about venues having bad wifi to | Sep 07 20:53 |
| sebsebseb | espeically hotels it seems | Sep 07 20:53 |
| iophk | but it's probably plugged into a 1Mbps line | Sep 07 20:53 |
| sebsebseb | yeah | Sep 07 20:53 |
| sebsebseb | something like that | Sep 07 20:53 |
| sebsebseb | I guess | Sep 07 20:53 |
| sebsebseb | she did say something, but I don't remember | Sep 07 20:53 |
| sebsebseb | quite | Sep 07 20:53 |
| iophk | also hotel wifi has multiple hotpoints and depending on the competency and frequencies, there can be lots of interference | Sep 07 20:53 |
| sebsebseb | hotpoints you mean where the signal is picked up the best? | Sep 07 20:54 |
| iophk | stations that send and receive wifi | Sep 07 20:54 |
| sebsebseb | oh ok I guess | Sep 07 20:54 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I know and that's why we need own repos ideally | Sep 07 20:54 |
| iophk | b/g is on 2.4GHz and a/n/ac is on 5GHz | Sep 07 20:54 |
| sebsebseb | can't rely on the I nternet to download stuff | Sep 07 20:54 |
| sebsebseb | so it's either own repo's, or well no downloads I guess hmm | Sep 07 20:54 |
| sebsebseb | plus people going on whatever wifi on phone or whatever | Sep 07 20:55 |
| iophk | but then within those bands there are *overlapping* channels | Sep 07 20:55 |
| iophk | so if adjacent hotpoints are using overlapping, but different, channels, they can slow *way* down | Sep 07 20:55 |
| iophk | if they areboth using the same channel, then they just split the bandwidth | Sep 07 20:55 |
| iophk | wifi is overrated | Sep 07 20:55 |
| sebsebseb | wifi really sucks at times yes | Sep 07 20:55 |
| sebsebseb | hardwired is better :) | Sep 07 20:56 |
| sebsebseb | not sure if they would ethernet us some where though | Sep 07 20:56 |
| sebsebseb | if we had ethernet we could be all ok to use net :d | Sep 07 20:56 |
| sebsebseb | I think nice and good enough venue, but going to need to set up own stuff yes | Sep 07 20:56 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I thought that yesterday to when emailing about it | Sep 07 20:56 |
| sebsebseb | to others | Sep 07 20:56 |
| iophk | the LAN can be ethernet | Sep 07 20:57 |
| sebsebseb | yes, but I meant a ethernet that is used for Internet | Sep 07 20:57 |
| iophk | Long before your installfest, you'll have to test setting up an ethernet LAN that connects via wifi to the Internet. | Sep 07 21:00 |
| sebsebseb | yeah I guess | Sep 07 21:02 |
| *sebsebseb going afk for a bit of quite a while depends | Sep 07 21:02 | |
| sebsebseb | good chat though thanks :) | Sep 07 21:02 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: might come back for more in a bit, not sure yet | Sep 07 21:02 |
| iophk | gtg | Sep 07 21:04 |
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